pvp

[waxen meteor]

but i have to admit the opponents are all playing like rookies

[jolly sierra]

yeah MM is very good in casual or low rating brackets

cuz they just facetank the burst

and then goes all REEEEEEEEE

[waxen meteor]

yeah i one shot or almost one shot in 5 rounds

[jolly sierra]

funny af

[waxen meteor]

pressing wrong key in 2 rounds at open lol

[jolly sierra]

XD

[waxen meteor]

Did rapid fire sooner than aim shoot by mistake

[halcyon timber]

Kek

[waxen meteor]

did some trial on pvp dummy for open

100k dps pfff

to be fair, the marksman pvp guide was written so good

it has all the details

and little tricks

it's a lot better than any other guides on icevein

[jolly sierra]

maybe its because community is bigger

[halcyon timber]

Good keep filth out of our class

[jolly sierra]

for ret to learn it after rework i needed to watch vanguardz streams

[waxen meteor]

it explains every SINGLE talent and HOW to use it

[jolly sierra]

how he switched the talents and how he 1 shotted shit

[waxen meteor]

like it even reminds you to use the anti-root thing from pet immediately after balance druid silence and root your healer

[jolly sierra]

just become aware about the reason to use execution sentence in melee lobbies

[waxen meteor]

i would have never thought about that by playing ult casually

i actually didn't even know the anti root pet skill can be used to others

[jolly sierra]

with monk i learned from a r1 in youtube around SL

to use simultaneous shit in spinning crane kick

[waxen meteor]

on the contratry, i think i learned nothing from SP guide lol

[jolly sierra]

that was mindblowing for me lol

yeah some shit explain nothing

[teal silo]

Good times

Insane one shots

Sck with rsk

[waxen meteor]

It did tell me one thing, 'you will be trying to survive in almost whole game'

that is true haha

[jolly sierra]

heh

[jolly sierra]

XD

relatable to assa

[waxen meteor]

assa what

i can fast heal myself

[halcyon timber]

Would be slick if vial gave a DR

[jolly sierra]

would be good af to have increased received healing too

like ww monks

[halcyon timber]

Used to be assassin talent back in the day

[jolly sierra]

oh interesting

[halcyon timber]

I think that was apart of fleet footed

[jolly sierra]

gimme that again

[halcyon timber]

Was in wrath or something

Its been 509 years

[jolly sierra]

XD

[halcyon timber]

A shield would be crap bc of dampening or probably stolen by mage hobos

I have a feeling soothing darkness is gone too dunno why but yeah

And some new vial talents will come in . Also think cheat death and elusiveness will probably be separate again

Not sure what pvp talents would be moved to our tree but they have been doing that recently w other classes

[waxen meteor]

we have some quite good pvp talent

need the 4th spot

[halcyon timber]

Yeah but they don’t want to move power to the class tree

[waxen meteor]

yeah that's the problem

[jolly sierra]

cheat death and elusiveness will be good af by separate ngl

[waxen meteor]

and vanish shield should be standard

[halcyon timber]

It should for sure

[jolly sierra]

but imo cheat death should give a 1s inmunity to secure the spare

[halcyon timber]

I have zero problem and i encourage stuff like that

[jolly sierra]

as i said some months ago

[waxen meteor]

imagine bubble automatically get cancelled in 3 sec

[halcyon timber]

Hek kek

Yeah cd can suck

[jolly sierra]

my ret can relate

[halcyon timber]

Oh cd! Gets tod through it

[jolly sierra]

but usually is in like 1 second

dispelled by the priest

and the other guys shouting at u TF ARE U DOING REEEEEE

[halcyon timber]

Dingdingding

[jolly sierra]

DINGDINGDINGDING

[waxen meteor]

it's really fun since last time you said it

ret first global as bubble

[jolly sierra]

yeah

[halcyon timber]

LOok aT mE HecToR!

[waxen meteor]

i do open with everything on ret now haha

[jolly sierra]

DINGDINGDING

rets when they are pea brained

[waxen meteor]

and then they rage quit

[jolly sierra]

just hits shit

[halcyon timber]

F rets though

[jolly sierra]

then dies cuz gcd was used by a judgment

[waxen meteor]

there's indeed some mental stree on open with bubbl

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[halcyon timber]

XD

[waxen meteor]

it's like you gonna be shitted even if you survived with bubble

[halcyon timber]

Dh gets 20% dr from tattoos right?

Assassination should get some of that me thinks

Enhanced deadened nerves

The outlaw talent that gives increased damage coming out of a stun except it could be DR for assass would work

Dunno, people freak out anytime rogue datamining happens. ThEy gOt Wut?

[waxen meteor]

yeah light pvp people really scared as fuck against rogue

[halcyon timber]

Pve channel talked about making shroud a group teleport. That would never fuggin happen

[waxen meteor]

kidney, fuck, i afk

[halcyon timber]

Warlocks would have diarrhea hands

LOL “im peRmenantLy sTunNed aGainSt rOgUes”

Forum npc logic right there

[jolly sierra]

why that fkn panda had me 14 seconds stuck REEEEEEEE

[fathom dew]

why did they buff arms warriors

[jolly sierra]

dude is hard af to do a cc lock in shuffle

dont expect to have that happen too often lol

[languid ravine]

hear me out

[jolly sierra]

cuz mud sacrified another rog again

[languid ravine]

what if Rogue only needs one thing

Kill Command

[fathom dew]

i feel like im getting countered so hard by them in 2s

[jolly sierra]

yeah they endure hard

and hits like a truck too

[fathom dew]

healers stunned? bladestorm. you just danced? fear for the full duration

[halcyon timber]

because it's alright when other classes do shit but not when we do, that's why.

[languid ravine]

its kinda true though, if rogue does too much it ll always win

[halcyon timber]

I'm a fan of core damage, not gimmicks. I'm a minority probably but I despise secret technique reliance.

should be able to murder just fine without extra stuff

[fathom dew]

just make evis do more dmg

sec tec is def gimmicky

[languid ravine]

yea its a very fine tightrope thing, too much burst and its a gimmick, too much sustain and your stuns and cooldown dont matter anymore

literally the story of why playing either Sub or Outlaw sucks ass

what I mean is damage profile distribution etc

and how it slots with other specs

[halcyon timber]

no bs, if the tree gets split up and there's like 5 nodes of gloom and evisc I would pick that every time.

Eviscerate just needs to be better overall. The right side gets 30+ 16+ 10 in their deeper talents not including flagellation and they ree that gloom does too much.

Hot take, take shit ass backstab and leave gloom alone then.

I love meaningful glooms and I won't come off that hill. I don't dig rat packing everything into dance in pve or pvp and saying it's fun when other classes continuously trash shit.

[languid ravine]

yeah, pressing backstab and barely doing more than an autoattack is ultima cringe

[halcyon timber]

Seal fate is most likely gone and tea who knows what they will do but that's good

[fathom dew]

the farther this season goes the more i agree

[halcyon timber]

Its not fun afk'ing while other classes do damage

like you don't contribute shit in pve or in pvp

pve kids think it's fine because they can abuse the f out of tea. That junk needs to go or get nerfed too and they would suffer like us.

[jolly sierra]

ppl got used to hate us and blame the shit out us as we do all ccs

[halcyon timber]

yeah and we pay the price every time

they treat pvers like they did us and the script would flip

[jolly sierra]

look how they fucked up ccs and then fixed nothing

fkn 3 digit players

[halcyon timber]

yeah because rogue is evil

[fathom dew]

probably the most hated class

[halcyon timber]

if any class was truly locked behind a 6 second window + required stuns + team doing the right thing + cds . They would say it sucks ass.

oh wow you can't kill world npcs without cds, that sucks man. Yeah it does.

[fathom dew]

backstab is the saddest button to press

[halcyon timber]

I'm not down with leaning to 1 extreme and from the way things were worded last night, neither is our guy.

playstyles should be able to be emphasized and we shouldn't lean fully into 1 aspect . backstab / gloom should be meaningful till your next dance and you can't change my mind on that. talent choices should accent what we are doing and they do.

[jolly sierra]

they hate us

[halcyon timber]

well f them too

[jolly sierra]

because we assault them in outdoor

[halcyon timber]

sincerely and whole heartedly

f em

[jolly sierra]

or we corner them in bgs in stealth

rogue is the ultimate casual player counter

[halcyon timber]

oh wait where mah gimmick? hur hur

idgaf how "exciting" stuff is for extra buttons when core gameplay abilities suck.

I spoke up about lingering and like always got ignored because of the masses and the hivemind.

Abilities shouldn't be trash, talents should make those better.

I like lingering and more shit like that should be optional

make a 4th capstone and put all the dance boner stuff in there if they want. Idc because i'd never touch it.

hur hur let's hide again while team gets railed or in pve hur hur can't kill an elite orb of doom because no dance. how tf is that fun?

[fathom dew]

meanwhile braindead fury warriors and bm hunters press 3 buttons and the dmg never stops

[halcyon timber]

yeah it's ridiculous

"that's just a pvp mentality" no that's not fun to anyone.

get a fresh player , they would hate being useful for 6-8 seconds and doing f all out of that.

I can appreciate how our man said taking lessons of the past is pretty much the plan and that's good.

[fathom dew]

youd be lucky to get full value from a dance in arena as well

[halcyon timber]

yeah you're effin around because some boner can't cc a healer

[jolly sierra]

shadow dance

disarm

[fathom dew]

every time

[halcyon timber]

dance -> coil / axe toss / fear / grapple weapon etc

it's terrible man

[jolly sierra]

shadow dance

storm bolt

very funny

[fathom dew]

makes me wanna go back assass

[jolly sierra]

shiv

disarm

[halcyon timber]

completely disagree w the hivemind mind set they got going over there

shouldn't be useless out of cds

[fathom dew]

lol

[jolly sierra]

its funny af

[halcyon timber]

shouldn't be a ferris wheel of dumb shit

[jolly sierra]

how gladiatorlosa

announces that

when happens

[halcyon timber]

like if they pruned anything, prune blades and put the baseline damage back in the kit

like good lord . F having to rely on MORE cds to do what a butt flapping DH does with 1 eyebeam

some goon on the forums said "cd stacking is a niche" . That's the most backwards thing ever in existence.

[languid ravine]

yeah man, these fools dont even notice they take 50k dps because the Weakaura never yells at them with a huge shadowdance icon

yo I just noticed, if Survivals grapple hook fails, it doesnt have cooldown

[jolly sierra]

hearing forums for feedback is the worst shit ever

[languid ravine]

imagine that, a sensical quality of life

[jolly sierra]

ppl just complains about literally ANYTHING

[languid ravine]

where you dont get punished for being punished by game engine

[jolly sierra]

imagine get punished by successfully interrupting a caster and then ur partner does the same as u at same time and to become inmune anyways w precog

[languid ravine]

wow you gave me an insane idea

what if precog has 4sec cooldown if you get kicked

whowaweooowohjoooaooaoowaooooooow

[jolly sierra]

whosdskjdkjdakjdkajkdjakjdkajdkajdkaj

mindblown

make this guy dev

[languid ravine]

or even just 1 second tbh

[jolly sierra]

the thing i don't is

why blizzard didn't realized how shitty it was when in SL u had the broker safeguard trinket

the one which made u cc inmune in the first three ones

[halcyon timber]

xD

precognition sucks ass seriously, like I get it that caster's have to cast (who would have thought) but holy hell man

definitely seen some ish past few weeks where I KNOW I interrupted a dude because they were STILL casting and they still get precognition

could also be a ranged goon interrupting at the same time but /shrug

[stoic spruce]

You rn :B

[gleaming pawn]

there was/possibly still is a bug with Paladin Conq aura. You would kick someone under the aura and they would get precog and not get interupted. I think blizz fixed it a week or two ago but I wouldn't swear to it

[halcyon timber]

It’s definitely allowed . Pretty annoying .

[halcyon timber]

Sorriest button in existence because of “get back to dance or mission failed” nonsense we have turned into.

[tepid willow]

grappling hook

STORM BOLT

FUCK

[proper heath]

How’s assa now ?

[halcyon timber]

Seems good , does good damage. Ask panda though

Just gets focused by humming bird classes like warrior and such

[unreal pelican]

one thing with assa, is it normal to feel like im not really doing any damage?

Like I feel like I get full uptime, trying to rot down the one player and with full bleeds up I dont even feel like its doing that much compared to even just warrior pressing mortal strike

[jolly sierra]

the what? im not logging into assa till next tuning

fkn dhs

[jolly sierra]

the spec is for slow pressure, like aff lock

[unreal pelican]

Ah ok that makes more sense

[jolly sierra]

the main thing u need to do after applying everything is to cc the healer and then doing "damage" with the envenoms

with echoing reprimand combo points

in a moment the healer will be chocked enough than u will get the kill

is not intended to fast kills but rather playing towards dampening

[unreal pelican]

alright that sounds more doable

Do you have a recommendation of which build I should play from the faq?

Or a non faq build

[jolly sierra]

emmm

go murlok.io and pick every purple and orange choice

that should be enough for u

or gimme a moment

in free so im doing it for u

[unreal pelican]

no no u dont gotta

[jolly sierra]

huh

[unreal pelican]

I can get to murlokio dont wanna be a hassle 🫡

[jolly sierra]

sure thing

u can share the talent tree how u did it if u wanna to later

to see if is ok

what the heck just now noticed ppl is dropping hemo

im picking dfa from now tho lol

in non disarm matches

[unreal pelican]

BMQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFEtkIJIJJlEAAAAAAAJAIJAAAAAAASLE0SCJJJpkSSCCJRSCA

This is what I ended up with

I had two spare points in the assa tree so I put them in the weapon poison chance talent at the start

[jolly sierra]

hmmm seems ok to pick improved sprint rather than prey? the 5% more dmg is for all players

everything else looks ok for me

cuz yeah, u have spare 3 points in spec tree

[unreal pelican]

Ah ok I was wondering why it seemed I was short a point on left tree

[jolly sierra]

ahhh i see

but btw u should be ok

[unreal pelican]

Im also glad they dont run the twist the blade talent that speeds up bleeds

Too many buttons already lol

[jolly sierra]

ah im using that one anyways XD

but i know that just optional

[unreal pelican]

I like the idea of the poisons and bleeds doing more when they’re low but its kinda weird its on the aoe shiv tree?

the zodyck recipe one

[jolly sierra]

its not viable atm tho

maybe w rework, but not now

[unreal pelican]

Oh yeah when is that rework happening?

[jolly sierra]

10.2

[unreal pelican]

exciting

also thank you for your help panda!

most helpful rogue player Ive met 🫡

[jolly sierra]

u welcome glad to have ppl joining me in the spec lol

[wary spire]

Need to spread the love also.

Especially the stealth garrotes.

[karmic summit]

is there a secret techiqueless build?

i keep seeing players not pressing a secret technique in 3s

[marble oasis]

I believe there is one. but it's not as strong so confused why anyone would play it.

[vapid marten]

Best outlaw comp? I heard people speak about dancing with the stars (Boomy hpriest) but what specs/comps would you guys consider dominant rn

[karmic summit]

i wanna give it a shot is there a link to it?

[minor cape]

certainly exists

not that good tho

it's either your basic rotten just remove sectech and get gloom and smth else

or your basic dark brew just remove sectech and do the same thing

one cool thing you can do with rotten variation is to proc rotten with gloom to get perfoveins bonus and lingering

hits hard but not that reliable

one of the cool things you can do with db variation is uhmmm ughhh ummmm - better go sec tech

🤩

for real tho your gloom will be pretty thicc in db

[karmic summit]

^thanks and for rmp with a frost or fire mage which build would be most optimal?

[torn stump]

it can economize 2point.

[minor cape]

secret tech and rotten

[karmic summit]

with vigor or subturfuge?

[minor cape]

whatever is your preference

[karmic summit]

thanks lads

[minor cape]

but id go fuge for more control

[thick slate]

watching nahj go negative in 90% in his solo queue games is rough tbh. Most lobbies he’s going 1-5, 2-4, 0-6. Think the guy gave up on sub

Whazz on the other hand, has better lobbies

Wish howton streamed

Dude seems sick on sub judging by his w/r

[torn stump]

I think outlaw is the best in pvp now.

[thick slate]

Nah not in solo

[torn stump]

Except for solo

[pearl warren]

rmx

[past crown]

did sub rogue get a nerf?

on secret technique today?

it do half dmg in pvp now

[jolly sierra]

playing rog in high rating rn for shuffle is brave af

[tawny kestrel]

why? it’s good

[jolly sierra]

nahj lobbies and some guys dying hard against warriors and dhs too

[tawny kestrel]

seems weird to start saying rogue is bad just cus one guy can’t win

[jolly sierra]

in lower ones like in 1k9+ im watching them dying hard too

[tawny kestrel]

many people are doing well as rogue

[jolly sierra]

im not saying its bad

but struggling

[tawny kestrel]

kinda the same

it isn’t struggling either

just learn to play issue

as usual

[jolly sierra]

xd

[tawny kestrel]

this place gotta stop being misinformation central

[jolly sierra]

u need to appear more frequently here for that tho

[pearl warren]

tbf there are a lot more 'statements' than actual questions/help inquiries

rogue has always been a top heavy class

[tawny kestrel]

a common thing is people saying rogue is bad

[pearl warren]

good rogues will do well, bad ones will not

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tawny kestrel]

which is false in 99% of cases

[pearl warren]

yeah

rogue has been laughably overtuned for a very long time

[tawny kestrel]

ret pala patch is an exception

else it’s always good

[pearl warren]

a few bad patches, but most of the time we're top tier dps

agreed w raz ofc

[jolly sierra]

ret pala was just eksdee

those 3 days in EU were very funny

[pearl warren]

3 weeks*

[jolly sierra]

nono, the first nerf wave

when ppl threatened w unsub

[pearl warren]

it was obscenely overpowered for 3 weeks

[jolly sierra]

they were, but in the first 3 days they nerfed some stuff to live instead reset cuz ppl threatened w unsub

dont recall which thing exactly

[pearl warren]

yeah that's not usually why they nerf things..

[jolly sierra]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-announces-ret-paladin-pvp-nerfs-going-live-tonight-332117

gotcha this one

this was 3 days after rework

after that become a little more manageable

but still op af

can recall the exact date cuz i managed to get 2k4 for first time in that date lol

[pearl warren]

"cuz ppl threatened w unsub" is the statement i have the issue with

they usually come out with hotfixes/planned changes on friday/mondays

regardless of feedback, they just pushed it earlier bc of the (obvious) tuning issues

[jolly sierra]

was in forums

people watched the tuning and they insisted hard that day

[pearl warren]

yeah i was bitchin too

[jolly sierra]

still found funny

how the same rets said they dropped straight to F tier w those nerfs

nvm u right weren't for unsub threats but instead straight not queuing in rating

most comments were "now i lost 300 CR and nerfs arent live till reset yeah sure im not queuing this week"

god i need to be more ambiguous with quotes now

[languid ravine]

the fastest way to farm conquest is actually leaving on your healer to get free wins later

nice

[jolly sierra]

i go 2s for that

usually are like 100 conq per win

[languid ravine]

aint noone got time for scrolling through LFG

[jolly sierra]

better picking a fresh guy and doing low cr arenas to farm faster

[languid ravine]

jesus that is a whole essay of nerfs

but no clue what it means

[jolly sierra]

where where

[languid ravine]

the Retribution nerfs you posted 40 min ago

ah nvm

thats from 5 months ago kappa

[jolly sierra]

yeah was to spice the discussion

recalled a little bad about the reason to make changes live but was right about the 3 days

being straight unplayeable in the 1st wave unless u were a ret

after that nerf the guys which played worse the ret started struggling a little but still playing fine

then become nerfed again 3 weeks later and become balanced for other dps lol

[torn stump]

maybe most like vigor, but some way can have both.

[halcyon timber]

Just take both then. Without vigor energy is trash. Subterfuge has always been a great tool as well. Gives a good opportunity and impacts decision making.

Gimmicks and tech were overtuned. Eviscerate and core stuff wasn’t threatening anyone.

[minor cape]

cmon dudes it's not like you need vigor

unless you go down the tea path

w seal fate and shit

you have enough energy to do two dances non stop in a row and more

[halcyon timber]

Tea is prob nerfed and sf is going back to assass as it should be

Pve nerfs shaping the class over getting boners for simming everything fs everyone

[halcyon timber]

Also heavily disagree with shaping us based off a sample populations feedback regardless of status.

There are a shit ton of rogues out in the forums and in game who don’t come voice themselves because of the hivemind mentality that is here.

[waxen meteor]

that 3 days were lol

i jumped in solo with my first ret game ever

a little be scared at beginning, thought i would be dumb as fuck

then everyone killed by me clicking 2 btms

obviously initial games were not high CR

but first 3 games 18 rounds were all like that

then it's just 3 ret lobbies

[jolly sierra]

guys if im getting banned

i regret nothing

period

[inner tartan]

lmao what r u doing

[jolly sierra]

getting our stuff

[halcyon timber]

Looking out for our kind

Instead of the pve only matters mentality

[jolly sierra]

well they have us caged here

[halcyon timber]

Thing is, talents should be made to accent our kit. Thats all im getting at as an example

More shit and less reliant on other shit

Side nodes or whatever as a request

[inner tartan]

ok im behind so new question for pushing in 2s what is the best spec to play outlaw sub or sin

[halcyon timber]

Whatever you’re comfortable with

Is the right answer

Sincerely

[inner tartan]

im having issue getting past 1600 as outlaw but it mifght be cuz im trash

or double dps comps r trash

i dunno

[halcyon timber]

Nah its most likely because team mates are trash

[inner tartan]

LMAOOOOO

hell ya blame it all on them

[halcyon timber]

Solo shuffle isn’t rogue friendly

[inner tartan]

omg tell me about it

[halcyon timber]

Healers f around

[inner tartan]

haha

[halcyon timber]

People play 12000 alts

No one ccs

Its shit

[inner tartan]

ooo so question my main mw is higher in solo i made a new one had it in honnor 437 gear and i put me agianst 2k comps 3 times

this

3 time in a row i quit solo on that toon

and just do 2s

[halcyon timber]

Just luck of the draw

Blizzy does that

[inner tartan]

putting a 700 healer in 2000

full group

[halcyon timber]

Too busy making pve land happy

[inner tartan]

3 times back to back

ok

[halcyon timber]

Yeah that sucks man

[inner tartan]

alest let me get gear then i might stand a chance

[jolly sierra]

im into a SS

[halcyon timber]

I kinda just read the field and if no one ccs attack the healer and get what cd you need outta the way

[jolly sierra]

2 wins from 3 atm

[halcyon timber]

Yeah have to get gear. Can’t be using trashy honor gear. That sounds like wearing quest gear and doing a mythic 10 keystone

Crafted pieces are nice easy customization too. Def would rock that

Pvp sigil thing on it makes it 450 automatically

[jolly sierra]

3/4

[halcyon timber]

Yeh boy

[jolly sierra]

4/5

5/6

[quaint cedar]

Outlaw is very strong in 2s. You do need a good healer at higher ratings, but at 1600 you should be able to carry 100% so definitely a L2P issue (not meant to be offensive btw)

[stoic spruce]

Bruh

That's such a long winded way of saying "lul ur not good enuff"

[jolly sierra]

git gud

cmon yellow colored guys help him

[waxen meteor]

nice, first sin solo game since s1 ends with ret rage quit

[jolly sierra]

wtf

how

[waxen meteor]

he did 0-3

then he rage quit at r4

sadly i am with him at r4

another 24 mis queue now

[jolly sierra]

F

once i got a mage ragequitting cuz he lose r1

[waxen meteor]

yeah as always, complained here, queue pops

[jolly sierra]

eksdee

[inner tartan]

l2p means

and all good im trash LMAO

[waxen meteor]

Good look from stat sheet, been a while

and then DK and Hpal started to curse each other's parents, then they threw round6

[inner tartan]

is this built good or bad lmaooo

[jolly sierra]

u are representing the spec

what a chad

[waxen meteor]

nuh nuh nuh, i don't even know what happened

[dark kernel]

There's no point in running thistle tea as outlaw and you're sacrificing massive damage not using Hidden Opportunity build.

[sturdy canopy]

Aye take er or cold blood over tea

You'll want dance to else you'll have like fuck all kill windows

[inner tartan]

ok

so then should i just run ho

[stoic spruce]

Ye

With greenskin ofc

[inner tartan]

what about deffense is cheat death better then the feint defg

[gleaming pawn]

for shuffle, yes

[inner tartan]

kk

[gleaming pawn]

as for 2s and 3s, feint is technically better. But you have to know when to time it, like pre-feinting a stun. So it's a more advanced pick. Cheat Death will be a decent passive while you get your bearings

[inner tartan]

ok

this is the wowhead built it about right for 2s and solo and 3s right

[gleaming pawn]

especially in 2s where you're the only source of MS, and 3s depending on the comp you run. I would say you should be running the Imp Wound talent

[jolly sierra]

imp wound 100%

never skip that

[gleaming pawn]

I know some of the R1s have been using the all-in movement speed, but for the rest of us (and the comps dependent) the move is to go Imp Wound

@pearl warren could weigh in on the tech behind the choice. I could see it being a different/more effective pressure when you're team is all really good. So you have better uptime with the movement speeds, which supersedes the pressure from the Imp Wound

[pearl warren]

subterfuge not necessary

and i play the 5% mast proc w flurry up over movespeed in outlaw tree

i like blackjack

[pearl warren]

and also always imp wound xd

[jolly sierra]

finally one time i dont misinform

[torn stump]

I like this. great mobility + imp wound

and blackjack make emeny -30% dmg and heal.

and if emeny no physical dmg, -3% change to +10% poison dmg

how do you feel?

[wary spire]

A bit tired.

[torn stump]

haha, take a rest

[jolly sierra]

best rogue give us your bless

[wary spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/108686075781726208/1114933079040077824/Matanga.mp4

[quaint cedar]

L2P meaning learn to play issue. Outlaw is good right now but has a bit of a tough learning curve compared to other classes.

[jolly sierra]

this guy spit facts

🙏

[jolly sierra]

skill issue basically

[languid ravine]

infinite wisdom, except for that universe crap, does anyone actually believe that?

[sturdy canopy]

Kinda upsetting to see yourself doing half as much dps as a class that presses two buttons in shuffle but gotta keep telling myself I got that utility copium

[halcyon timber]

I have a hard time believing in anything at all anymore

[jolly sierra]

i still recall a guy wanted me to do the same damage as a chicken in a shuffle and wanted me to doesn't do any cc

dat healer

[quaint cedar]

Yeah I'm fairly happy with outlaw damage right now after buffs but there is still a part of me that's a tad bit salty that I have all this stuff to manage and can still get out damaged by a warrior or DH spamming a 2-4 button rotation

At the same time though I like that my spec is more complex than that. Simple specs like DH just bore me

[stoic spruce]

It should be more with the amount of work we have to put into it.

And keep track of.

[jolly sierra]

dhs still needs a tuning fkn rn

dunno how tf they outdamages everybody

[inner tartan]

i main outlaw in pve

but it kinda different lmaooo

so if u mean as spec im pretty good i would say at it if u mean in pvp i think im just bad at pve

my mws monks i cant get past 1800 i love blam dps but i think this one is me haha

[quaint cedar]

Yeah pvp is really hard to get into

I started doing arena in SL and it took me months to get anywhere

And rogue is not easy to learn pvp with

You have a lot of CC to juggle and can feel really squishy when you don't know how to play well defensively yet since you don't have a wall that can be used while stunned

[fading blade]

Finally hit 2100 on sub in ss

[minor cape]

nessper what's the reason for your subterfuge hate on both sub and outlaw?

i found it extremely useful when playing 🤔 especially sub

in that stunbot type build

[wary spire]

Only sexy people. Like that elephant.

[torn stump]

oh, I agree this video.

[scarlet plinth]

Trying to get my UI sorted out for PVP, does anyone know what's causing this...

[wary spire]

It's standard wow frames. Need to disable it in options. Don't remember how it was called. "Personal resources" or something?

[pliant hazel]

what enchants we use for pvp?

as sin/

[wintry dew]

@scarlet plinth

[pearl warren]

just isn’t necessary with dance for both specs

[minor cape]

it feels really good to vanish and stun the whole team out of it tho

[fading blade]

I personally like subt for when I can get a stealth in

[pearl warren]

yeah it’s good, but other talents are more valuable imo

[dark kernel]

Is the orc rotation as sub pretty much identical to regular just subbing CS to Kidney?

[minor cape]

idk about rotation but yeah you might leave a gap, gotta watch out for that

[dark kernel]

kS first dance Evis, SS, CB TECH, CS, symbols SS, cs, Evis?

[minor cape]

yup kinda like that

maybe ks - ss - cbtech

to send tech faster

[dark kernel]

I find using SS right after dance a waste because you overcap CPs so badly and lose a macabre stack for tech.

[minor cape]

dont play first dance

then

or maybe go dance -> kidney -> ss -> cb tech

whatever works for ya

🫡

[minor cape]

i mean that 4 cp evis aint much too

[jolly sierra]

sophic devotion x2

[pliant hazel]

Thz

[jolly sierra]

np

[stoic spruce]

its anti sub/outlaw propaganda

[minor cape]

nessper wants to farm us on his demon hunter

got it

[stoic spruce]

yeah pm

[minor cape]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-oh-shit-a-am-sorry-gachimuchi-gif-13510847

[jolly sierra]

i wanna farm u all in my warr

nah jk

[stoic spruce]

I cant remember the last time I died to a warrior/dk without it being because I fat fingered a defensive

[narrow tangle]

when season ends probably

[scarlet plinth]

Cheers mate!

[waxen meteor]

cut the fingers

SP guide is written so bad

imagine using a 45 sec CD skill in one burst window as step1 and 7

obviously it's a typo

but it seems nobody checks it at all

and use Power Infusion on yourself, like wtf

you use on anyone it will be applied to yourself as well

[potent pivot]

Are you sure it’s updated

[waxen meteor]

yeah...

[jolly sierra]

who did that guide?

ah gotcha not a main

yeah i hate mysticall guides in icy veins, pretty vague when are not for monks

[stoic spruce]

Written guides are untrustworthy these days

[jolly sierra]

shadenox did one in icy too

but he have everything updated in youtube actually

[potent pivot]

Written guides are kinda terrible for pvp anyway

They’re pretty good for pve since everything is more telegraphed

[stoic spruce]

wish more swords would do this

[proven kayak]

Same

[polar wasp]

hey little question

why mastery so high on outlaw in pvp

is that because no one main outlaw and they have sub/ass gear ?

or mastery better in pvp

[stoic spruce]

does the most dam

and that

[polar wasp]

it cause it proc on bf ?

and t set is trash or am i missing something ? i see load of set up without tset

[jolly sierra]

alright i feel a little inspired

maybe can q as assa today

[halcyon timber]

Do it

[pearl warren]

outlaw and assa both counter that class

[minor cape]

so does sub - you want to weaken us

😎

[pearl warren]

?

confused

[jolly sierra]

he is trolling u guy

[pearl warren]

i only play rogue (and sp in pve atm)

[jolly sierra]

don't mind it too much

lol

[pearl warren]

oh ok bet ✌️

[minor cape]

the joke was that you tell us not to play subterfuge so that it is easier for you to play your secret dh 🤓

joke explanation

epic

[pearl warren]

oh

yeah there are just better talents to pick

too hard to fit imo

[fading blade]

do it, prob feels good

[jolly sierra]

ended earning 42 cr

it popped insta after telling it here lol

[halcyon timber]

Yeh boy

[waxen meteor]

Like always

We got secret dev in this discord

[jolly sierra]

the secret pvp dev

which succeded holinka

[stoic spruce]

It's me

Could you imagine lol

[waxen meteor]

Change my CR to 3300 now

https://tenor.com/view/right-now-eric-cartman-craig-tucker-lola-south-park-gif-22863637

[stoic spruce]

hmmmmmmmmmmm

okay

[safe pelican]

Blades > Cs > dance > evis > re-cheap > ss > CB secret tech etc etc etc

You can re cheap after that if you want. Or step kidney the off target which is what i do

[dark kernel]

That combo makes no sense because you're using a cheap shit after your first cheap has 2 seconds of stub left.

[safe pelican]

First cheap is 4 seconds mate after you dance evis unless your spell Q time is godly on par you will need to re-cheap , BECAUSE you will not get SOD, CB & Secret tech off without gapping the stun this is why you re-cheap

If you can fit the cheap > dance > evis> shadow strike > CHEAP ) in without gapping the stun more power to you but the safer way is what i listed above for no gap

[waxen meteor]

I am not following. You cs, then dance evis that’s just 1 global

Including cheap shot itself that’s just 2 globals

2 sec only

[safe pelican]

.

I struggle to fit the 3rd global in without gapping the stun so I run it this way most rogues gap their stuns tryna fit the 3rd global that I have played , I also play 2’s so it allow me to keep the kill target on stun while my partner does dps I run mage / rogue

[halcyon timber]

Graham the guy who talks in the recent vids of df is a senior dev and it he says he does do pvp tuning as well. Not sure if there is a strict pvp team anymore but more a culmination of people that do stuff

[jolly sierra]

didn't knew that

[halcyon timber]

Wouldn’t surprise me if we do have lurking devs in here . Dunno

[jolly sierra]

interesting to know

[halcyon timber]

St needs to be a capstone as well. I agree w the pvers on something for once

Cb is prob gone too

Sepsis is prob gone from the talks past few days as well

Hopefully master poisoner and imp. Wound do get combined as well.

[jolly sierra]

beh sepsis wasnt too relevant in this xp

but pve assa players seems like they like it

[halcyon timber]

Isnt going to be because its not juiced

Doesn’t need to be juiced either . Would like to step away from gimmicks.

[halcyon timber]

XD

[jolly sierra]

me when sepsis will get removed

[halcyon timber]

Sepsis is cool and the effects it gives is nice for situational use but yeah.

Freakin gremlin face

[jolly sierra]

sepsis its cool aesthetically wise

and yeah, very situational

but that is it

[halcyon timber]

Its not bad just isn’t great either

[jolly sierra]

never said its bad

i could even use it

[halcyon timber]

Hopefully they enable black jack to work on blind finally

[jolly sierra]

if is separated from sbs

[halcyon timber]

Yeah doubtful as cd stacking is dumb

ER can shove it too

I did like theives gambit in legion though

Was cool to help a team mate for a moment with it . Prob would never come back though

[jolly sierra]

ER is good for assa

very good would say

just because that juicy animacharged 7p

[halcyon timber]

Or just make envenom a heart stopper again

[jolly sierra]

would take that

too

[halcyon timber]

Finishers need to pull their weight instead of relying on gimmicks that we get nerfed on when the forum npcs enrage

Dingdingdingding

[jolly sierra]

dingdingdingding

[jolly sierra]

shit

[halcyon timber]

XD

[jolly sierra]

for something those shits are called finishers

and not extenders

lol

yeah would remove ER if they buff envenom sure thing

[halcyon timber]

Prey can kick the bucket already too . Gets nerfed all the time

[safe pelican]

Agreed I feel like evis hits like a wet noodle sometimes

[halcyon timber]

Hopefully some nodes are added to alleviate that. I’m bread and butter about things. I like core , simple interactions.

I understand the pve kids want new toys and that’s fine and cool but making the kit depend on them is not. Different styles are solid but if i could talent into gloom / backstab enough to make them be reliable on their own and just rip eviscerates all day then that would be slick.

Its not cool when we speak up and we get meme comments or things like “why are pvpers here in pve channel” because we have a voice too. Noticed that a lot lately.

[jolly sierra]

yeah i got basically softbanned for that

tried to say "are you still mad for that?"

got insta deleted and calling me clown without being able to react

lol

now im isolated here

[halcyon timber]

Well it’s unprofessional from a self anointed group of individuals

[jolly sierra]

yep

[halcyon timber]

Regardless of rank or stature. Its like in the army, it truly didn’t matter who it was you hated them and you ripped off your rank and fought right there

Your 15 a month is the same as anyone elses. Your voice matters. Just because we prefer stabbing people over stabbing chuck e’ cheese robots doesn’t make us invalid or lesser

[languid ravine]

I just realized whenever I play any class

I m thinking like "damn thats so OP"

except for when I play rogue

I guess warrior kinda sucks too but all other dps are OP

[halcyon timber]

Other classes play the game while rogues are fooling around being meter maid stun bots for team mates

Their core abilities can be talented into to do damage

[languid ravine]

yeah I m just mashing buttons on enhance and it goes PEW PEW and there is still so much I m messing up but sometimes its enough you know

[halcyon timber]

Mages shoot out gas station ice cubes and can mow people down

[languid ravine]

on Rogue I can play near perfect and have like a 0,5% chance of winning

[halcyon timber]

Hunter uses their “filler” and it does most if not all of someones life and they can talent in several ways to make it continuously impactful.

Even arcane shot does 90k hits

Which is cool

The cc nerfs were targeted at us the most and that’s trash

“I dIed in A kIdnEy sHoT “ . Cool people die in fears all the time from the voldemort kids but no one raises an issue there

[languid ravine]

Guys I finally achieved Rival on Shaman

Trying to get it on Resto vs. playing Enhance for 3 hours:

yeah granted I did ragequit and grief myself for no reason but still

I am not saying shuffle is rigged against healers

thats not what I m trying to say

in the slightest

and now comes the punchline

those 100 resto matches were probably still shorter queue times than the 9 enhance matches

in total

[halcyon timber]

sick man big ol grats

[dark kernel]

I just got this mount from a skirmish

[jolly sierra]

what a chad

big gratz dude, fell better about this fkn season being deflated af

[jolly sierra]

what the heck

[dark kernel]

I have no idea must be a bug. Wish I got a grab during the screen achieve.

[jolly sierra]

indeed, seems like a bug lol

[safe pelican]

😂😂😂💀

[stoic spruce]

An alliance player gifted that to you

[echo abyss]

What would be the easiest spec to pick up as a completley new rogue?

[harsh kiln]

assas

but you should play whatever you feel like, the spec you choose to play will become the easier spec for you the more you play it.

[safe pelican]

Yea Newt is right I started with assas as well just play it for the 101 on how to kinda move as rogue throw a few bgs at it once you get a solo kill or two can switch specs , can also start outlaw or sub but the learning curve is a little more steep with those specs but just as fun if not more once you get your bearings

[languid ravine]

hmm, I think Outlaw is easier, its the most straightforward direct and consistent damage

[echo abyss]

Im curious about rogue, never played it. But sub honestly feels like such a stressful spec that requires alot of fine touch

Outlaw is abit more "chill" to play?

[languid ravine]

it's a little spammy and somewhat volatile depending on your rolls and procs you can end up with slightly different button presses even though you are doing your core rotation always

[proven kayak]

Sub is the reason I play wow spec is so fun and rewarding

[dark kernel]

Any sub rogues around that play RMP? When I set up the healer with a stun, and step go the kill target with my rotation, should I be using my second dance after they are DRd to pump more damage or should I hold it and farm more? I'm not sure what the play is on using our second dance outside of kill windows.

[sour charm]

Speaking of fun and rewarding, after taking a break to play BG3, the first fight I have after coming back a hunter scatters off my full dots + deathmark.

[stoic spruce]

You are lying through your teeth

[jolly sierra]

it isnt

tried fresh and lost all coordination and damage after a moment cuz a combo points bloat

[stoic spruce]

Unless he was memeing

[jolly sierra]

perhaps

[stoic spruce]

In which case I agre

[harsh kiln]

you should hold your dances until you can get some value out of them. there's no reason to send a second dance if the healer isnt ccd and is freecasting heals, unless you're in high damp and they're close to oom or the killtarget is guaranteed to die anyway.

if you're sending a second dance while healer is freecasting heals it just delays your next good valuable setup, imo. i'm no expert but thats how i try to play it

[dark kernel]

Right I feel that, but if the healer tops his team too and can play more aggressively with casts because you're doing 0 pressure it kind of fucks too

[harsh kiln]

yeah for sure, that's a bit how rmp plays though, you have your burstwindows and setups. there's not much pressure you as the subtlety can do outside of that. if you want to have more pressure you should swap to the offtarget or healer once you get a cd or defensive from the KT/healer (roar of sac, Hand of Sacrifice etc), just so you dont send the rest of the dance into a wall. that way you'll get the max value out of it

[wise breach]

Holy crap the trading post rogue weapons are massive

"Daggers", they're as long as swords

Just wish they were different colors

"Blood Onyx", yeah okay

[jolly sierra]

i wanna see them too

[proven kayak]

They look good imo

[wise breach]

Check #transmog, posted some screenshots there

[jolly sierra]

im getting the blue dagger tho

[waxen meteor]

This month I feel a lot to buy

[waxen meteor]

Surely no

And honestly I don’t know how 2nd dance is needed

In addition, cheap shot on healer is less mandatory

You have sheep and fear

[dark kernel]

Depends if your mage can get a free polymorph. And your healer usually chastise fears the off target so you don't get interrupted during go. Second dance is mainly for on-demand goes or finishing a target in dual if they have no defenses and live

[waxen meteor]

I don’t understand. So how did you use the first dance during the go

[dark kernel]

Step kidney healer for setup Sprint Dance CS kill Target rotation

[waxen meteor]

There’s one dance here

Which is mandatory for your go

[dark kernel]

Yes, you're accurate That is what I am asking when is the best time to use a second dance

[waxen meteor]

Second go

[dark kernel]

Theoretically, after your go window you have 30 seconds to charge another one. Or just use the second one to pump more because you will have a dance by the next go anyway with all the free combo points

[waxen meteor]

There’s almost no chance you want to use two dance back to back

[dark kernel]

Also, subrog consistent damage is extremely poor without popping cool downs. So if your kill target lives and the enemy healer tops the team, and you don't use any offensive damage they are going to be able to play aggressively with their casts

[waxen meteor]

More hit and run

Our dmg out of burst window is close to zero

[minor cape]

tbh there is

[waxen meteor]

You try your best it will still be lower than your opponent

[minor cape]

if someone makes a mistake you might want to pump right away

[waxen meteor]

You either trade a trinket and some defensive CDs

[minor cape]

or you might need some more to push to get defensives

[waxen meteor]

If you directly kill them at first go, you are facing a worse team you win anyway or they didn’t pay attention

[minor cape]

yeah true

[waxen meteor]

Mostly they will defend and start to attack after like 5 seconds of your kidney

[dark kernel]

Also it really just depends. If you can't end your kill target after a go, you may still be able to land micro CC and pump enough damage to kill

This is really early game dependent only.

[minor cape]

yeah true

[waxen meteor]

Yes that could happen but that’s more case by case

[minor cape]

too

[dark kernel]

I'm just trying not to waste damage, I've been watching a lot of AWC players and they tend to pump CDs fast.

[waxen meteor]

Tbh your mage and priest can probably close out better than you

They burst and trade CDs fast

[minor cape]

i mean a lot of times i see myself using 2 dances in a row

and especially in 2s

[waxen meteor]

Those guys know everything they and opponents have in their mind

[minor cape]

seen that clip where sp+sub kill cdew's evoker on first go? 🤪

thats the situatiob

to double dance

lol

[waxen meteor]

I started my SP yesterday and got trained 24/7

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[jolly sierra]

that is the reason personally i wanna hemo back

[dark kernel]

Yeah, I miss the hemo days. There really is no consistent damage build right now, unless you go the rupture build and that kind of feels like ass to be honest.

Or you can just go the thistle tea giga Chad one shot secret tech build. Which requires the most insane amount of setup I've ever seen

I saw Kalvish playing that and getting like absolutely bonkers secret techniques off

[jolly sierra]

u know the funnies thing about this?

pve subs rn just wanna bake everything inside shadow dance

they doesn't understand than doing that will keep it balancing like shit so they will just whine about it when they gets nerfed

[dark kernel]

You love to see it.

[jolly sierra]

its funny cuz the cycle is just repeating

with ppl redoing their own mistakes even when they have the chance to make a change lol

[past crown]

hei can somebody help me? i have platern installed but with my pvp char i dont want to use platern.. but when i deactivate platern i dont see the blizzard nameplates anymore

[jolly sierra]

dunno srry i just use blizzard ui for pvp

[past crown]

yes and i want that back but i dont know how?

if i deactivate platern i dont see blizzard nameplates anymore even i click control V

[jolly sierra]

what about disabling all addons?

and then turning them back by 1

or try this

[past crown]

i tried that blue post

doesnt work

[jolly sierra]

yeah shit is messed

what bout this

[past crown]

yeah i dont want do this because i play pve also and dont want to mess up the ui of my other characters

[jolly sierra]

then ask a gm

cuz shit is messed up

[past crown]

ok ty

[jolly sierra]

np, sorry for not solving anything for now

[teal silo]

hmm

went all the way to 1800 as outlaw without ever using audacity procs cause I thought it was replacing sinister strike on bars automatically

had to ask a guy about doing dam

got a WA

jesus fucking christ

[jolly sierra]

some will tell u they use an addon to do that in a macro

think was called gnome sequence macro?

[teal silo]

does it really work?

[jolly sierra]

dunno

seems like

a guy told me this too once

[potent pivot]

I think it used to work for assa’s blindside procs, but it’s pretty janky

Dunno if it’s updated to work for audacity

[jolly sierra]

oh boy i really wish having blindside in a higher row so i won't risk any talent point going where it is right now

[teal silo]

it gets a bit different for pvp imo but yea thats the idea in general I think

[jolly sierra]

dunno, the guy had 2k1 as rog in outlaw in former season

but i think is more leaned to gnome sequence addon

[teal silo]

not sure if it would be optimal to not get a double rtb proc using adrenaline rush earlier

also snd for mastery procs

[jolly sierra]

idk

what about asking nessper he is always lurking here

maybe he has a best approach for that

[pearl warren]

whats the question

[jolly sierra]

emm

he wanna know how to track ambush easily in outlaw when it procs, wanna do something to replace sinister strike for ambush in bar

im saying him to use gnome sequencer addon, but dunno if there are better approachings for that

[pearl warren]

3rd party shit like that isnt worth, just have a seperate bind

ambush for me is just shift 2

works in/out of stealth

[jolly sierra]

in assa at least for me it notifies me when blindside procs so its easy

[pearl warren]

game is too buggy

[jolly sierra]

dunno bout outlaw

[pearl warren]

i mean i have a weakaura for the proc

same visual as the assa blindside proc

[jolly sierra]

mind sharing it here?

[pearl warren]

https://wago.io/uDQxVXIdw/2

[jolly sierra]

ty

@teal silo here is ur answer

btw no news about season ending

[teal silo]

thanks my man

[pearl warren]

🫡

[teal silo]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-solid-snake-mgs4-metal-gear-metal-gear-solid-gif-26300338

[proven kayak]

Idk how you play any other class than rogue everything seems so boring

[teal silo]

was talking to a rogue guy and he mains dk too

I mean I dont main anything atm

but playing as a noob rogue is more interesting than dk

the good thing about dk is that it isnt stressful

[stoic spruce]

I think its stressful in its own way tbh

[jolly sierra]

easy, when u get too tilted u can try another approaching and maybe u can win more where u lose w rog

also EZ xmogs lol

[waxen meteor]

It's a way to learn how to play rogue 🙂

[jolly sierra]

maining rog also is good af to learn self survivality and to cc

so when ur survivality is good w the alt u can play safer

[ornate silo]

is there a king pvp spec atm?

[waxen meteor]

lol wtf, second sin game, 60 at 2200 mmr

Boomie/Marksman/Arm lobby

Sub is so hard at low level 😦

[jolly sierra]

lol gratz

im going again when im feeling lucky tho lol

but dmg was pretty ok compared to last reset

u guys think i can use fang embelishment alongside infurious boots when i have battlemaster trinket to compensate not having sporecloak equipped?

so i can go full dmg lol

[waxen meteor]

I am not a battle master fan for rogue

I wear that 24/7 with Ret though

[proven kayak]

all my alts are rogues

except a boomie and hpal that i have to play for over 2years

[jolly sierra]

too much rogues

[jolly sierra]

i did that

before rework

dunno w assa usually i go

sporecloak/infurious/battlemaster

cuz im feeling insecure af in shuffle

[waxen meteor]

there's no queue anymore after 60

[jolly sierra]

lvl 60?

[waxen meteor]

Nuh I mean after the 6:0 the queue doesn’t pop

Went dinner

First queue was almost instant

[jolly sierra]

u need to complain more

[jolly sierra]

guys, thoughts about the corsair scimitar elite mmo mouse?

[jolly sierra]

(also i recalled nessper adviced a build w cum boots + patch but ended dropping it cuz was a little rng)

so maybe im reapplying fang embelishment in my dagger rn rho

just then just go w battlemaster and gg

[rotund fulcrum]

I got this after having a razer Naga and I love the corsair. Half the price of the naga too

Only downside for some is it’s wired

[jolly sierra]

wired stuff is perfect for me

thinking in it going to my wishlist after do the gamer desktop, ty

[rotund fulcrum]

The arc of the naga was awkward for me. I do have small hands tho

[jolly sierra]

ah i see

my fingers are long af

think i'll be ok w that

[halcyon timber]

Only heard good things about that mouse

Hope you guys and girls weekend has been kicked off well so far

[rotund fulcrum]

I only considered the Corsair cause I was randomly watching trills stream a year or so ago and someone asked him which mouse he used lol

[analog crater]

So question, what is the point of taking shadow dance when most of our stuff is usable out of stealth?

is it purely for the ambush damage?

[pearl warren]

hope this helps

[analog crater]

ah ok, noob here lol that helps a lot

[pearl warren]

🫡

[jolly sierra]

job time

im farming the tips

[jolly sierra]

i've read a gaming article and then reviews so i come here to ask too

seems like a bis for mmo

[swift dove]

How many globals can we fit in the first cheap shot opener before applying the second one?
Is 3 globals too tight and it will leave a gap? For example CS>Eviscerate>Shadowstrike>secret tech>CS

[halcyon timber]

Yep but if they are orc then it’s shorter. Also depends ex mage blink out of a stun and depends on timing.

[wanton breach]

i also have the corsair scimitar and i like it a lot, lasted a long time but now the scrolling wheel is crappy, everything else works fine. i previously had the roccat nyth and a razer mouse and all of them broke very quickly due to shitty mouse button detector thingies

[thick dagger]

Only thing bad about the mouse is Icue

[surreal barn]

Logitech g600 ftw

I got big hands.

[jolly sierra]

ohhhhhhh shit the scroll wheel

yeah in the article ive read the same

[jolly sierra]

reembelished my dagger

now will hit like a truck

[stoic spruce]

Nuh uh

[glass bear]

What kind of truck?

[proven kayak]

i have like 102%mastery does it make sense to get more ?

i can do micro adjustments with head to get the raw mastery head but does it rly matter?

[thick dagger]

Up to you but I’m pretty sure the range you want to be in is 90-96 %

[glass bear]

Sounds like you need the engi head to top things off xd

link armory ank

[trail blade]

Hey folks, one of my friends is new to wow pvp and I want to be able to play 2v2s and 3v3s with them. They are learning sub. Which comps could we play so we could have the most fun/try to push raiting?

[glass bear]

Depends on your push goals

What rating would you and your friend like to achieve?

[rotund fulcrum]

Any caster is prob fine

[trail blade]

1600 to 1800

[glass bear]

Mage, sp, ret, hunter try to play with an incap and if you play as spriest hpal is optimal healer cause the hpal will play rep. Enhance would be fun too if you know how to play it.

[jolly sierra]

u can have a free incap playing panda

so can u go w anything

isnt needed to be a rog

[stoic spruce]

I'd argue it's one of the best races tbh

[jolly sierra]

ofc, i can eat versa food inside arenas too

[halcyon timber]

Nooooooodullll

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-gif-24482470

[waxen meteor]

Sub + Mage or Marksman can be quite fun these days. Priest is quite good too

[light estuary]

off topic: anyone playing Hardcore? what class? idk if i wanna go rogue again lol

[jolly sierra]

i do, im playing rogue too here

[halcyon timber]

forever and always only a rogue

literally wouldn't play if our class didn't exist, no interest in doing anything else. I play rogues in every mmo / rpg anyway. Always what I loved the most.

A quick thinking, light armored class that has precision and lots of tools.

[scarlet shell]

warlocks with fel armor take no damage ngl

[glass bear]

From streaming point of view I have seen most of the rogue mains playing lock in classic 🤣

[minor cape]

same lol

but for me it's the rat gameplay and stuns

🤪

[halcyon timber]

Yeah trickery and being cheap is good. We wouldn’t be rogues without it.

“Im gonna throw some dirt in your eye” peter parker line

[wary spire]

Saaame. The only exceptions are dnd and pathfinder games.

Rogues there are pretty dull. I usually go for a spellcaster there. 5e warlock is bis.

[halcyon timber]

I’m not a flashy guy, I dig bread and butter. Stabbing and deception then burning a house down pretty much. I did like GW2 Thief when I played that before i came back in legion and saw everything changed. I know our guy said we can’t go back to the past but it would be nice to have more of what has made us great over the years included moving forward.

[surreal barn]

I’ve been in europe for the past two weeks

Are rogues really that bad now lol

We seemed to be pumping before I left?

[scarlet shell]

rogues are the only class i will play in any mmo ever to exist

if there is no thief, assa, rogue class in any game, its not worth my time

thats why i play Sith inquisitor in SWTOR and gonna play Niss in wayfinder when it finally comes out.

[proven kayak]

Same

[atomic wharf]

hey guys

anyone there i can ask a few questions about outlaw pvp?

[twin burrow]

Nope

[proven kayak]

Pretty sure the very high rated guys raz and nesper

But some ppl can answer too if question is generic

Wdyw

[twin burrow]

Yeah wdyw

[atomic wharf]

i just came back to the game aftr a long break and decided i wanted to main my combat rogue ... who is now outlaw apparently, so i'm gearing for pvp, so far i'm full 437 but I have 2x 450 weps and gladiator shoulders. I have some conq, so I'm going to be getting more pieces, which should I get next, should I get helm/chest/legs/gloves and convert them + shoulders so I have 2 piece? or get a ring, or.... what, exactly?

[stoic spruce]

Pieces with the most main stat

[waxen meteor]

Get crafted ones first

I am not sure about outlaw, but I guess also boot and cloak

#pvp-faq message

[stoic spruce]

I turned my gear into tier and I regret it. Again

[atomic wharf]

problem is im using this char for pve too, so ive had quite a lot of pieces crafted for that, boots, helm, ring, 2x weps

[stoic spruce]

Ahhh yeah

[atomic wharf]

i can spare 2 sparks actually itll help a lot

[stoic spruce]

Make sure you only get the pieces with mastery if you want maximum dam

[jolly sierra]

seems like i need to lfr too this time

to fill the trading post and get that fkn xmog

in pvp barely won 2/5 bgs and still need the 7500 honor

[jolly sierra]

look we are featured in wowhead

[jolly sierra]

whoa this looks good af

w primal storm

[fossil monolith]

what order should i buy my conquest weapons in for sub rogue? claw or dagger first

[jolly sierra]

dagger 100%

even would consider claw as latest in priority list cuz is mostly a stat stick

[minor cape]

better go for world pvp offhand

more mast

sword

but yeah main hand dagger first cause your dam scales off weapon damage y know