pvp

[jolly sierra]

assa comps?

[minor cape]

which mage do people play with assa

[jolly sierra]

everything w a healer

in 2s is shit if u go rog mage

always bring a healer w assa

[minor cape]

yeah for sure

[jolly sierra]

but yeah, similar to sub

mage is the best comp

[minor cape]

i wish i had a mage for 2s who knows what to do i would play rog mage

[jolly sierra]

any mage, the 3 are fine

oof what about ur guild?

[minor cape]

WHY YOU BREAK POLYMORPH???
IM AN ASSA REEEEEEE

[jolly sierra]

ravencrest its a very big server, right?

[minor cape]

my guild sucks!!!

[jolly sierra]

WHY U DISARM ME????

[minor cape]

to prevent from casting oh my god

😡

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[minor cape]

how to force a mages trinket - press disarm

[jolly sierra]

chad

[minor cape]

mindgames

[jolly sierra]

have u tried gacha w group finder?

or recruiting a guy from SS?

that could work tho

[minor cape]

aint playing till i finish muh baldurs gate

just my past experiences are guys who dont poly

or suck at poly

😤

[minor cape]

but yeah mostly this

[jolly sierra]

ah i see

[jolly sierra]

me waiting for rog rework preview:

[teal silo]

outlaw s tier?

[waxen meteor]

Is that for 11.0?

[teal silo]

yes for 5s

[stoic spruce]

Prot warr is dps rn

Dumb list

[jolly sierra]

very flawed to do a tier list without rog rework done

[teal silo]

its for the actual patch bro

[jolly sierra]

ah meh

nah no way i the list is well done

[torn stump]

could you plz show the link?

[teal silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6zRye73sNs&pp=ygUaZHJhZ29uZmxpZ2h0IHB2cCB0aWVyIGxpc3Q%3D

[torn stump]

thanks

[potent pivot]

tier lists

[jolly sierra]

will u believe in that tier list? xdd

[teal silo]

I prefer the supatease ones

[torn stump]

because outlaw win awc so it is S now?

and I think sub just A+

who is that guy? is he a good pvp player?

[jolly sierra]

bruh

is one of the OG r1 players

but even like that he is a whiny fuck

[stoic spruce]

I melted Supa in ptr on his druid when unholy was garbo

And then I never seen him again

https://tenor.com/view/venom-rolling-down-the-street-like-a-turd-in-the-wind-venom-movie-marvel-tom-hardy-gif-19400127

[jolly sierra]

everybody knows edaniel is our best rogue here

[stoic spruce]

Troo

[torn stump]

i agree outaw maybe is s.

[stoic spruce]

It is not

CC bot with mediocre damage is A at best

[torn stump]

what is outlaw's bad?

[jolly sierra]

cuz is not a warrior

or a dh

also why tf demo is in a+ if it turned into a punching bag for melees after the nerf?

ohh too much ppl writing

[gleaming pawn]

Especially Venruki’s tier lists. He and Soda are just so so bad for this kind of thing

[torn stump]

outlaw have 3teleport skill.

[stoic spruce]

What?

[jolly sierra]

that hook is shit

works 1:50 times

[stoic spruce]

It's so buggy lol

[torn stump]

better than nothing

[stoic spruce]

Half the time, it's the same thing as having nothing lolol

[jolly sierra]

rework that crap instead SnD

[wary spire]

My man Venruki would rate the best car to be the F1 one, while 99.9% of everyone, including his viewers, are gonna use it for driving from home to a local McDonalds.

[torn stump]

maybe 10.2 make hook good.

[stoic spruce]

That's the true outlaw rework

Exactly the same but hook works

[jolly sierra]

grapple hook working to move in los

[waxen meteor]

I do feel outlaw needs a rework, too many similar skills in same spec

[jolly sierra]

100% of time

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

[torn stump]

earlier, i said something on other channal, I copy here now:

I think the idea I said earlier is good.
assa: burst of speed replaces sprint (long CD)
outlaw: grappling hook replaces shadowstep (2stack hook)

it can make 3spec's skill different.
assa: burst of speed + shadowstep
outlaw: sprint + grappling hook
sub: sprint + shadowstep

[stoic spruce]

Greenskin back at 300% plz

[torn stump]

how do you feel?

[stoic spruce]

I don't like that tbh

[wary spire]

Also the hook was working fine before df.

[stoic spruce]

No

Like, s2 of sl I think

[wary spire]

It wasn't nearly as buggy in bfa.

Like, it worked on stairs.

[stoic spruce]

Not at all, no.

Surely the devs know

[jolly sierra]

not needed

[torn stump]

forget what is tbh?

[jolly sierra]

doesnt fill all the flaws

[stoic spruce]

To be honest

[jolly sierra]

in assa case, it wont solve anything

[torn stump]

thanks, i see

[halcyon timber]

Stuff needs to be connected more for sure

[jolly sierra]

assa main issue is survivality, sub issue is lack of balance cuz excessive imput in burst damage

[torn stump]

assa will have other remake, and with this change, maybe better.

[jolly sierra]

outlaw, well, its outlaw xd

[halcyon timber]

Sneaking suspicion assassination will be a real strong

Combat readiness wouldnt solve anything really either

[stoic spruce]

If they just made it where RTB never rolled one buff and GM was back to how it was before, I'd be happy tbh.

[halcyon timber]

Just get scatter shot

[wary spire]

Hopefully not, they'd just nerf it back into oblivion in the first 2 weeks.

[jolly sierra]

we already have good movement so is not something to priorize or address right now

bring back combat

[halcyon timber]

Agreeed edaniel

[jolly sierra]

fuck class fantasy

[stoic spruce]

Nah

[wary spire]

Conterpoint:

• Gun

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw has character

Yeah

[halcyon timber]

XD

Gun

[stoic spruce]

Combat boring. Outlaw has gun.

Ez win

[halcyon timber]

Wyatt earp tf out of people

[jolly sierra]

class fantasy was of the main reasons to be so cockblocked in BFA and SL

[stoic spruce]

Nothing could ever replace the feeling of shooting a priest in the back of the head after a life swap and landing a killing blow.

[halcyon timber]

Both were gimmicky

[jolly sierra]

nOoooOooO bUT isT mY vIBe rEerEeEeEE

[wary spire]

I mean. I don't think vibe is the reason balance is shit.

[jolly sierra]

nah not in that sense

for example rogs didnt got gouge

in those xps

[stoic spruce]

Without outlaw, we wouldn't have the dreadblades swords

[jolly sierra]

cuz that

[torn stump]

why? which bad?

[halcyon timber]

Gouge never should have left

Same w poisons in legion

That’s like only survival having traps

[jolly sierra]

maybe u could got a bladefist with combat still existing

that shit is class fantasy legacy

hope we dont cockblock ever again w that stuff

[halcyon timber]

Now subtlety is a burst donkey shadow priest w a knife

Wtb hemo debuff from wod and call it a day

Pve channel was talking about it the other day too

[jolly sierra]

hemo would be a real fix for sub

i wont stop saying that

[halcyon timber]

Seriously would, enough of this legion nonsense

[jolly sierra]

u have rupture, why u cant get a bootleg garrote back?

[halcyon timber]

Or make it an option choice node at least

[jolly sierra]

can still work without the silence

[halcyon timber]

Because of the pve kids feedback of “aNothEr tHinG tO maInTain”

[jolly sierra]

rEeeEeeeEEE

[torn stump]

what is this mean?

[halcyon timber]

I hope sanguinary vein via hemo returns seriously

[jolly sierra]

just fkn bring wod sub incarnation and its done

[stoic spruce]

It doesn't fix anything. Makes things too complicated

[jolly sierra]

make DFA baseline

and fix spec flaws

[halcyon timber]

Well lucky, the kids in the other channel don’t like maintaining buffs even though they are easy.

Once upon a time , abilities just did damage . I was there gandalf, 1000 years ago.

[jolly sierra]

even that shit could work to "fix" some mobility issues if they exists

[halcyon timber]

No joke , dfa was brought up in pve channel too

Even if it was 20% id take that

[jolly sierra]

did ppl agreed with trying to bring it back?

[halcyon timber]

Yeah and some just memed

[jolly sierra]

dat ppl

[halcyon timber]

Influencing types

[jolly sierra]

dude dfa even works as a third shadowstep

tf is their problem

[torn stump]

what is ppl?

[halcyon timber]

Its ok atm even in pvp

[jolly sierra]

google it

[halcyon timber]

Nice for mages 15000 blinks or prot charging every 5 sec

Ppl is short for people lucky

[jolly sierra]

or droods dropping ursol vortex

[torn stump]

thanks

[halcyon timber]

Yeah or monks sierra mist bottle genie teleport

[jolly sierra]

so u got dragged and then go w them

[halcyon timber]

No problem lucky boy

[jolly sierra]

or monks w fof, u can dodge it w that too

[halcyon timber]

Dodge axe toss

My favorite use

[jolly sierra]

predict cyclones

[halcyon timber]

Can’t predict 10.2 ptr though with dfa hur hur

[jolly sierra]

that manuv nerf still hurts a lot

[halcyon timber]

Yeah it sucks man

[torn stump]

is dfa baseline in 10.2?

[halcyon timber]

No sir, was making a joke

[halcyon timber]

No one knows anything honestly

Magee tree caostones are interesting , could see utility being there for us and a lotta power taken out and putting back into specs

Capstones

[jolly sierra]

i need a picture of all 3 spec trees

[halcyon timber]

As an example . Flows well .

[jolly sierra]

nono, sub, assa and outlaw ones

to compare

[halcyon timber]

Ohhh

[jolly sierra]

but yeah, mage tree is well done

[halcyon timber]

Def don’t like how ours are.

[jolly sierra]

too much options

and routes

[halcyon timber]

I dig options, i just don’t like how reliant we are on cds

[jolly sierra]

ret one has like 6 capstones

and a lot of routes

[halcyon timber]

Like blades sucks, i hope they take partial power out like they did for rune of power

[torn stump]

i like a talent of outlaw about some skill without energy(forget the name). but now it is on the bad place, hope it can change to good place.

it is a pvp talent.

[halcyon timber]

Fatal flourish?

I don’t know outlaw but i think thats the regen one

[jolly sierra]

blades were baseline in past too lol

[halcyon timber]

Blades was lame back then too

Same w shadow reflection nonsense

[torn stump]

dirty tricks

[halcyon timber]

Oh mk for free stuff

Used to be Subtlety back in the day

[torn stump]

how do you feel about dirty tricks?

[halcyon timber]

Class talent honestly

Take out prey since it gets nerfed all the time

Same w Nightstalker

[jolly sierra]

nightstalker always is a hit or miss

still recall in shadowlands

awful to tune

[halcyon timber]

Yeah its likely gone

Ambush needs to slam

[torn stump]

dirty tricks bad place on the tree, hope it can move to left side.

[halcyon timber]

Not sure if outlaw gets it to work on their additional ambushes either

[jolly sierra]

gimme blindside in an easier row

so it wont be a waste like in former xps

[halcyon timber]

No shit, make preparation in the class tree but make it spec specific abilities that reset

[jolly sierra]

preparation would be funny af

[halcyon timber]

Might as well at this point

[jolly sierra]

i say, mages has a similar CD reset

[halcyon timber]

Fix blind on blackjack too

[torn stump]

if outlaw can easy get dirty tricks, it is very helpful in pvp, i think.

[halcyon timber]

Helpful regardless of content

Wish Fw got love

[jolly sierra]

im sure it will move talents from pvp to the tree

like w other reworks

[halcyon timber]

Yeah probably, control is king would be sick for pve too

Reinforced leather would help too

From back in the day

As you requested btw @jolly sierra

[jolly sierra]

lemme see, ty

[halcyon timber]

Yeh

If deeper daggers moved up that would help a bit. Dust can suck it. LS can move over or be reworked to a permanent gloom / backstab / strike node

[jolly sierra]

way too inflexible

[halcyon timber]

Evisc needs more punch period

Flag can suck it too

And ER

[jolly sierra]

assa has the most narrowed one it seems

[halcyon timber]

Wtb core focused shit instead of more cds

[jolly sierra]

outlaw the least between all 3

[halcyon timber]

I know some have a boner for danse macabre but that could be its own capstone like ret does as a 4th capstone

Or something like that.

[jolly sierra]

look at mage one

[halcyon timber]

Which one my man?

[jolly sierra]

has not a mid and is leaned to both extremes

rog spec ones

are leaning to mid

[halcyon timber]

Explain please so im understanding what specifically youre getting at

[jolly sierra]

wait

[halcyon timber]

I agree w the pve kids when they say shadowstrike is too weak but excluding gloom and rat packing dance more sucks

Instead would propose more “build your kit” type stuff

Kinda like the talent trees i made a while ago

[jolly sierra]

it opens in mid

[halcyon timber]

Yeh

Looks solid

[jolly sierra]

it narrows in mid

that is my point

[halcyon timber]

Narrow b hole

[jolly sierra]

and the reason i think the tree is flawed af

[halcyon timber]

Stuff flows and isn’t “only this path” when comparing

[jolly sierra]

yeah

[halcyon timber]

I dig distinct styles but it feels as part of the kit always lacks

Ex frost mages pelt tf out of you w diff snowcones

[jolly sierra]

THE PATH IS FLAWED

[halcyon timber]

LOL

Rogues rallying to 10.2

[jolly sierra]

we need trickz to say ENOUGH now

dingdingdingding

[halcyon timber]

LOok aT mE hEcToR

What do you boys “think” is the likely approach then?

[jolly sierra]

DINGDINGDINGDING

[halcyon timber]

XD

Clicking the 10.2 play button

[jolly sierra]

the approach will be available to do after we watch the tree

[halcyon timber]

Yeh

[jolly sierra]

so we can suck its cock or backlash it

lol

[halcyon timber]

Will be on slow mode or muted for sure

In here

I trust our boy anyways and appreciate him busting his butt. He is a good dude

[jolly sierra]

yeah

[halcyon timber]

Gives a flip about us

[jolly sierra]

hope pve andys doesnt fucks it

[halcyon timber]

They will

[jolly sierra]

with feedback

[halcyon timber]

Always do

[jolly sierra]

damn

[halcyon timber]

Forum npcs do the same

When they get sprinkled with good ideas from the tooth fairy

[winter seal]

Someone give me quick melee assa cleave build

Okay I got the one from the faq

wish me luck

[west bolt]

tips against unholy dk?

gotta duel one during raid break lol

[jolly sierra]

disarm him in burst and low life

feint the abom limb

[winter seal]

We are doing a guild solo shuffle tourney and one healer went 0-6 so every dps went 3-3

[west bolt]

burst and low life?

when should i execute on him as sin

do i bait the ams?

[jolly sierra]

wait are u as assa?

disarm the empower runeblade

[west bolt]

for pvp yeah

[jolly sierra]

dot up and run

[west bolt]

should i play outlaw or smth"

[jolly sierra]

vanish and hide

[west bolt]

what spec is best against unholy/

lolll

[stoic spruce]

I think ERW is falling off because its nerfed

[jolly sierra]

open w kidney

dot again

[west bolt]

stealth and open with kidney?

dot

vanish

redot?

when do i dm?

[jolly sierra]

ofc always stealth

[west bolt]

i wanna send it in opener

but

hes just gonna ams

[jolly sierra]

garrote rupture mfd then kidney

[west bolt]

when snd

or do i just not snd

[jolly sierra]

most of ur dmg is physical

fuck snd is a duel

[west bolt]

and do i build 5/6 cp for rupture

or do i just send at 3 since gar gives 3

[jolly sierra]

alright u are tryharding in a single duel xd

u wanna do it simple?

[stoic spruce]

dont let slappy hands scare you. Wait until he pops army and vanish

get him to low health then disarm him

[jolly sierra]

garrote rupture then kidney he will dispell it

burst up and answer w evasion the empower with abom limb

[stoic spruce]

DK is literally one of the easiest classes to kill

[jolly sierra]

keep bursting and then when evasion its over vanish

with till dots are down then open again w garrote rupture mfd then kidney

he is low hp? disarm

done

wanna do it even easier? use veil of midnight so u will have another evasion

dont bother about which talents do u need or shit like that

[west bolt]

yeah

i gotta prepare

and i like complex bullshit

[west bolt]

so do i dm

[jolly sierra]

dm is the burst

[west bolt]

so it would go something like gar>rupture>kidney he dispells

then i regarrote, rupture dm

what about ams

[jolly sierra]

he will dispell the stun

[west bolt]

what should i do when that comes out

with what

[jolly sierra]

ams is shit

[west bolt]

ams?

[jolly sierra]

dont bother

[west bolt]

what do i do if iget disarmed

[jolly sierra]

dks are dumb

[west bolt]

nah he said he gonna disarm me

[jolly sierra]

they doesnt know how to disarm

he is lying

and making u tryhard

w his mind games

[stoic spruce]

dk doesnt have disarm

[jolly sierra]

this guy is a dk main

[stoic spruce]

this feels so good to play. Is it good? Prolly not

[jolly sierra]

hear him

eeeeeeeeehhhhh

dunno lol

[stoic spruce]

so much haste

and

[west bolt]

what pvp taletns should i run

disarm and what

[stoic spruce]

movement speed

[west bolt]

and what pvp build, they all use exsang

exsang poop no?

or is that just pve

last time i pvped exsang wasnt broken

[stoic spruce]

veil and disarm are the main ones.

[west bolt]

what buiod should i run>?

[stoic spruce]

smoke bomb maybe

[west bolt]

im tryna make sure this guy doesnt see the light

i wanna dm him till hes in the ground

[stoic spruce]

youre a rogue. You can pick random talents and win against a DK

[west bolt]

what pvp build to people run in 2's

do people play exsang

does iron wire work in pvp?

[stoic spruce]

nyooooooom

idk I only play outlaw

arg matey

[west bolt]

how would outlaw do agains the dk

[jolly sierra]

in a duel u can just put hemotoxin disarm and veil of midnight

exsang him in second opener after vanish

but garrote him twice this time then rupture

[stoic spruce]

good

[jolly sierra]

so u can torture him

but btw

its a duel dude take it easy

i would tell u to buy a r3 pot in AH if u go farther

[stoic spruce]

and engineering stuffs

[jolly sierra]

but idk im taking a shower cya

[stoic spruce]

pics or it didnt happen

[jolly sierra]

u furry

[stoic spruce]

you have a cat pfp

u furry

[jolly sierra]

ye

u2

anyways cya

[stoic spruce]

remember when this worked like healthstones? lol

[tepid willow]

it wasn't even functional. I swear my teammates would just have it flop out of their bags

[west bolt]

oh buddy i gotm some lol

[west bolt]

so dm in first opener

exsang in second?

[jolly sierra]

ye

[west bolt]

about to duelk

[jolly sierra]

gl

[west bolt]

need build rq

[jolly sierra]

god

wait

[west bolt]

bleed or execute?

[jolly sierra]

bleed

BMQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFQLJSCSSSJBAAAAAAQCASCAAAAAAg0gQLJSSSSKpkkgQSSSCA

just use this

[west bolt]

dismantle veil and what?

[jolly sierra]

hemotoxin

[west bolt]

what do i laok

cloak and vanish again

[jolly sierra]

dont use cloak like that

cloak is ur 2nd evasion now

[stoic spruce]

god stealth is so fucking useless

[west bolt]

i got insta pulled out of stealth

[stoic spruce]

yeah its ass

[west bolt]

so when do i gar gar

[stoic spruce]

wtf is gar gar

[west bolt]

garrote>garrote

[jolly sierra]

second opener after vanish

if u got instapulled then u got hit by the decay area

[stoic spruce]

or they look in your direction

[jolly sierra]

if this guy loses

im about to update my ptr and duel the guy by myself

[halcyon timber]

Yeah lots of shit just accidentally aoes you out.

Like warlock stuff just tagging team mates and you get ripped out from an opposite pillar in nagrand. Or a dh just looking at you and you break stealth while eyes is up. Or demons still chasing you while you restealthed (fel guard does that alot)

[jolly sierra]

dks had abo to do that

now is only the decay area tho

[halcyon timber]

They can still burst wounds and have dumpster flies pop us out

And reapply dots through cloak

Same w lock

[tepid willow]

wish the stealth shield was easily selectable

[halcyon timber]

Cloak seems to be back to old cloak of 90%

[jolly sierra]

yeah but not at start

[halcyon timber]

Dunno f the shield . Wtb kill people w/ gimmicks

W/o

[jolly sierra]

wtb fleshcraft for lvl 70

[tepid willow]

I would like to have stealth not get ripped out by a measly druid dot doing like 900 every 3 seconds

like come on man

[halcyon timber]

Just anti rogue propaganda

Uncool but yeah

[minor cape]

i played a shitty vanish shield talent basically for this on sub for some time

i also did it to press vanish instantly gain hp and go back but that doesn't work that well

[marble oasis]

I wish that talent was more useful in it’s location:(
2x vanish will always beat it.

[minor cape]

you can get both if you skip +1s of dance

[teal imp]

Does ambush any dmg as assa?

[scarlet plinth]

I did enjoy using ambush build as assasination, provided good kill pressure near the end of a tough kill

[teal imp]

I dinged 70 and i like the ambush path but was kinda worried it does no dmg. Cool to hear

[wary spire]

What if 10.2 rework drops and I'm still shit.

I need to make up a scapegoat in advance.

[jolly sierra]

every rework at date ended being good

dunno if we will end like shit tbh

but we need realz here

at least once

[wary spire]

No no. I don't mean the class, I mean me specifically.

[surreal barn]

Have you always been shit

[jolly sierra]

u have chadnox to teach u in youtube tho

but u are still our best assa anyways lol

[torn stump]

maybe Fade to Nothing better

sometime you need to vanish then attack immediately.

and it work on shadowdance too.

[halcyon timber]

Its preference

Wtb sanguinary vein choice node still

[jolly sierra]

well yeah would be good af

[wary spire]

Wouldn't that basically just be the same, but with a nerfed envenom on non-ruptured targets?

[halcyon timber]

Hemo sv was great. Loved cata too though

Was a big deal for us Subtlety rogues. Was 16% in cataclysm. Deeper daggers is fine for the right side players but SV would help the left big time.

[jolly sierra]

that is for sub

it worked like that before legion

with hemo and shit like that

[halcyon timber]

Pvers whined and packed it into dance

Id gladly trade sv for rat packed dance any day

Sv could go to gloom / backstab and FW could be from stealth only again .

[surreal barn]

I don’t think we’re getting SV back

Rogues did feel godly then though lol

It’s hard to tell if everyone just sucked more back then too though idk

[halcyon timber]

People trinket sap still so that tells enough

[jolly sierra]

im testing the ret again w execution sentence

damn its good

[halcyon timber]

Completely fine ret is consistent and does whatever though

Night blade had sv too

[jolly sierra]

everybody in blizz has its favorites, look at this

and compare this w reworks vs our one lol

[halcyon timber]

Cool guys get comms man

The way it goes

[languid ravine]

is the new version of Details bugged? I keep seeing 20k dps Ele shamans and 10k dps Sub rogues

this Arms did 20k

it must be bugged right

[halcyon timber]

Working as intended

[jolly sierra]

dunno i use recount lol

[halcyon timber]

Might not be counting additional hits from stuff. Dunno haven’t logged on today.

[halcyon timber]

Hollywood level pipeline is literally any of the 3d softwares we use to make films.

Maya / blender/ cinema4d etc

[languid ravine]

no guys, details is bugged 100%, this Enhancers damage profile is 18% retaliation totem

[jolly sierra]

yeah but a lot of ppl vs just 1

[halcyon timber]

Any of them can do it. More if a time constraint

Yeah lots of people make it easier

I do it alone as im a solo artist so stuff takes alot.

Rigging/ animating / vfx / compositing yadda yadda takes a lot of time to put films together.

[jolly sierra]

poor guy

that happens when u favour shit over other stuff

just w watch shadowlands cinematic at start was enough to know who had the spotlight

[languid ravine]

yeah, they really put too much effort to animate Bolvars tears 😦

[minor cape]

it doesnt do anything

better to just get dance time then

[languid ravine]

matchmaking: "lets put this 1300 Outlaw guy in an all 1700 lobby"
big brain shaman: "freewin anyways, lets facetank this fury warrior"

[halcyon timber]

SL was a cool trailer at least

[minor cape]

fellas why do you always think that it's an actual 1300 outlaw

or like a 1800 vs 2100 healer situation

or smth

its dudes with same mmr

just different cr

😩

[halcyon timber]

Not sure, its like a pick up game for basketball. You just grab who’s near by.

What ive heard people are doing is going into RBGs or buying boosts like a chump in 3s then going into shuffle with padding so they don’t tank rating

[languid ravine]

hmm maybe the kidney shot per minute ratio

(it was negative infinity per hour)

[minor cape]

not unusual in a 1700 lobby

🤩

[thick slate]

Boys what the fuck destroys warrior in a duel ? Because as sub they're way too tanky for my goes or end up outhealing it with impending victory anyways

[languid ravine]

try assa

but sub should work too

unless you mean shadowy duel

[thick slate]

assa should be the choice ?

no i mean 1v1 duel

[languid ravine]

yea they cant do much against bleeds unless dark iron dwarf and then you just hit them from 8 yards while they are slowed by 85%

[thick slate]

so i play the kite game

i see

[jolly sierra]

w assa i just dot them

then run

then i hide

then reapply dots

then die

[thick slate]

provide me with a good assa build for duels if u got it boys

[languid ravine]

with Sub you want to pump pump and pump and disarm their defensives

[jolly sierra]

SS build does work

just go w veil of midnight, disarm and hemotoxin

if u wanna troll more then drop hemo and use smoke bomb to run, avoid charge and then run around the bomb

[thick slate]

Ok

My stats are versa mast

is this fine for assa ?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[thick slate]

thats the build im running

lmk if i gotta swap something

i wanna make them cry

and beg for forgiveness

[jolly sierra]

alright

drop the thing below shrouding suffocation

cuz u will just get 2% agi

or is a 3

dont recall

[thick slate]

3%

[jolly sierra]

but it just works well with 2+ targets

[thick slate]

ok where do i throw the point

[jolly sierra]

ideally here or if u wana to try the black circle

here switch between this 2

its a warrior, there are not questions about that

[thick slate]

oh dang true

i kept 2 points in scent of blood is that fine ?

[jolly sierra]

as u want

but still thinks that is fine for 2+ targets

btw exsang for a duel is funny af

cuz the guy will panic when we sees his life dropping fast after u reapply dots

[thick slate]

haha true

ok and when should i generally blast my deathmark ? on opener ?

warrior wise ofc

[jolly sierra]

opener

just make him cry

he has not a healer and barely a big defensive

[thick slate]

bitter immunity just a cock block tho

[jolly sierra]

it doesn't dispell bleeds

so u are good

[thick slate]

ah

and lastly do i shiv before

or after burst ?

before i pop i mean

or after i pop

[jolly sierra]

before burst

is one of ur burst sources too\

so w it applied u will do more nature dmg

shiv next time when u wanna kite him

if u wanna troll him even more

gouge him while u are playing

to force berserker

and then u can do it freely again later

cuz it has 1m cd

[thick slate]

Frick yeah

[waxen meteor]

what you mean after/before you pop

[thick slate]

before i apply bleeds i mean

or after

[waxen meteor]

in theory you don't hit any bleed when you burst

bleed all on is like a pre-condition for your burst

[thick slate]

ah so it should be muti + envenom spam in burst ye?

[waxen meteor]

sort of

make sure all bleeds have been on kill target

kidney + shiv

then do direct dmg

[thick slate]

Ok

[waxen meteor]

obviously the 2 long CDs are burst as well

[thick slate]

Noted

[jolly sierra]

dots up

then deathmark

then run if is not into kidney

if he is bursting troll him w a vanish

use garrote twice

then kidney

apply rupture ofc

then exsang

then run then smoke bomb to los

then watch him dying

[thick slate]

why garrote twice

[jolly sierra]

to avoid exsang fucking garrote soon

[thick slate]

ahhhh

[jolly sierra]

so u can make him suffer with an empowered garrote

thanks to shrouded suffocation

[thick slate]

i can feel the power coursing through my head

do i open with mfd kidney on warrs?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[thick slate]

then garrote mut rupture

[jolly sierra]

yep

[thick slate]

and i do my pve rotation

[jolly sierra]

basically

if u garrote him then rupture he will just straight stun u

so better prevent and go mfd kidney w them

[thick slate]

exactly ye

but do i shiv then garrote mut rupture

or do i garrote mut rupture then shiv

[jolly sierra]

emmm\

lemme think

mfd kidney then garrote then rupture then shiv

and u do ur pve rotation

dont forget serrated bone spike

[thick slate]

Ok

got it

i am on the quest to be the unbeatable 1v1 god

already achieved that on my monk

now onto rogue

[jolly sierra]

OOF

gl w that

[thick slate]

ty ;D

[jolly sierra]

if u can try dueling him inside the pvp vendors building

so u can los them 😄

[thick slate]

haha nah i usually do it in durotar

[jolly sierra]

ah i see

well gl, i think u can win

[halcyon timber]

If only blind was long enough to stealth again

[thick slate]

Amen

[jolly sierra]

its long enough to run away

tho

[halcyon timber]

Yeh to get storm-bolted from john madden distance

[waxen meteor]

lol if you are sin, then you will probably never be

[jolly sierra]

he can alter tho

assa is better against warriors in duels

if they cant hit them

if he stays in stealth (hope u are not using assa 2set)

the guy will just rot

[thick slate]

just for warriors

[thick slate]

i shouldnt ?

[halcyon timber]

Breaks stealth and vanish

[jolly sierra]

yeah

its awful in that sense

[halcyon timber]

Sepsis does sometimes too

[thick slate]

crap

[jolly sierra]

u wouldn't restealth

[thick slate]

yeah

i was wondering why i couldnt

[jolly sierra]

so u need to use ur vanish

lolol

[thick slate]

fuick me

[jolly sierra]

and make time

[halcyon timber]

Hang glide halfway across zaralek caverns to stealth hur hur

[jolly sierra]

fucking tier never was fixed

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[halcyon timber]

XD

Was def intentional

[jolly sierra]

thank u cdew

[halcyon timber]

I hope tea gets nerfed and seal fate goes back to assassination

Tea isn’t a good solution to addressing energy

[jolly sierra]

tea helps a lot to avoid using haste

lol

[halcyon timber]

It can till haste becomes a thing again

[jolly sierra]

but yeah i didn't liked it at start tbh

[halcyon timber]

Its a cool talent but pve channel brings it up like it fixes everything

Not sure why regen was taken out of snd anyway other than to make tea better

[jolly sierra]

idk

but assa had one of the most efficient energy management before DF

mostly for that snd ability

[halcyon timber]

10% snd didnt need to go. Neither did alacrity nerfs even though alacrity is most likely gone anyway

[jolly sierra]

ah yeah alacrity

the filler talent

[halcyon timber]

Dookie talent

[jolly sierra]

glad im playing next month

but need to farm for more dracothysts anyways

[halcyon timber]

XD

Dingdingdingding

Wtb energetic recovery

[languid ravine]

<- 2k on multiple specs
<- harstuck on resto sham in mental disability bracket, the number I am too ashamed to write down here

[halcyon timber]

XD

Press F to pay respects boys

Yeah shuffle is hell man

[languid ravine]

Here is the resto sham experience in a nutshell
-hardcast for two seconds
-mage kicks you for 4 sec
-Earthen wall totem lul/spirit link lul
-Hunter lobbies are autolose
-all my cooldowns are shit
-my whole toolkit gains value from positioning (useless in shuffle)
-tremor totem? No, me Smash, me trinket fear

[teal silo]

herb/mining still worth it?

[teal silo]

my dk rating is 550 above my rogue

its the way it goes

[languid ravine]

sheesh 500 is a lot though :^D

yer gotta be REALLY good at DK

[teal silo]

no

dk is easy

rogue isnt

but also Im still learning this thing

[jolly sierra]

not too much, im doing most money w alchemy

[halcyon timber]

Dear rogue diary, 2023 august 28 and people still trinket sap but want us to be nerfed.

Makes goose egg of sense

[tepid willow]

im 1600 even in shuffle as outlaw atm and my official statement is "this is hard"

[unique bramble]

When is rogue re work

[halcyon timber]

10.2 homes

Maybe we will have an idea next week on ptr

They might release stuff to test but we have no idea

[teal silo]

getting the hang of it

[teal silo]

why people dont use subterfuge as sub?

[halcyon timber]

preference for whatever they are doing.

[jolly sierra]

u climbed high

gratz

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/wheelchair-gif-25496992

me as ret

[marble oasis]

Loving the 50% damage DH is doing above everyone else in every single lobby....

[halcyon timber]

hael yeh brover

working as itended

intended*

[minor cape]

i have always had the same question

🤪

but it's one of those things you have to drop if you want tea

[torn stump]

because it is bad place on the tree. I think it is better swap with tricks of the trade.

[marble oasis]

Then the issue there is Tricks would never get picked in m+ but stuff like this might not be a problem in a few weeks just gotta wait and see how stripped the class tree gets

[torn stump]

I mean if [subterfuge] swap position with [Tricks of the trade], then people will like to use [subterfuge]. (not sure my english let you misunderstand)

[torn stump]

and yes, people dont like Tricks.

[minor cape]

Lucky Owl entering the chat once a day to say the most insane things ever

[minor cape]

nvm got it

tbh it's 1 skill point to get fuge either way

[torn stump]

yes yes, I dont like shadowrunner, it cost 1point.

by the way, [shadowrunner] too weak, [Fleet Footed] +15%movement speed all the time.

[wary spire]

I like having both in open world to do zoomies.

[torn stump]

and if you are outlaw, you can +50% in stealth.

[wary spire]

Eh. Outlaw sucks at ganking.

Assa is not perfect but still better.

[marble oasis]

Assa is great fun watching people panick.
Kidney>garrote>Mut>rupture>Deathmark>exsang>ER>Envenom>vanish(while cackling)
you'd be amazed how many people die to this.,

Can always do the kidney later depends on class

[minor cape]

fleet footed aint a must have too

i barely take it in arena tbh

[wary spire]

My favorite thing is to do that and then when they're on like 5% hp just walk away.

[jolly sierra]

i love dotting up as assa and then run away and wait

[wary spire]

Like aff lock but actually cool.

[jolly sierra]

i feel fine killing affs w my warr

they thinks they are invincible then BOOM 200k throws insta in their fkn pacts

[stoic spruce]

Afflock does something with their dots.

[jolly sierra]

scratch their balls while ppl dies

[stoic spruce]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-seafarer-pack-now-available-new-store-promotion-334742?webhook PIRATE EXPAC LES GOOO

[jolly sierra]

🤮

[languid ravine]

Ah yes, the infamous Seafaring Pirate Llamababy

Terror of the Seven Seas

[stoic spruce]

Your pattern recognition should be working by now

[halcyon timber]

Yeh boy sea expansion , i dig it

[wary spire]

Weren't bfa were about this?

[halcyon timber]

I wouldn’t call it that

Bfa as a whole started as exploration and was truly about uncovering nzoth

Battle for azeroth was squidibilly nzoth vs the planet

Exploration is good and there is probably a good reason metzen chose to do this now. Cosmic disco space gypsy stuff needs to chill for a while. Central stories at home is definitely the play.

[stoic spruce]

I NEED to see what's at sea

[halcyon timber]

Going to be sick af

Scumbags and stuff. Im all in

Nightsquall lore book in game was cool hinting at it

[jolly sierra]

pls no

i fucking hate sea

[wary spire]

Play a demon hunter then.

They can't sea.

[languid ravine]

nah man didnt you watch Tali and Evitel, there are NO Old Gods in Battle for Azeroth

[stoic spruce]

Why

[languid ravine]

its the only thing saltier than him

never #1

[halcyon timber]

Im down for void stuff but we need to split from all that man

Heaven vs hell needs to chill for a bit for sure

[jolly sierra]

vashj'ir

[halcyon timber]

They are going back to centralized stories at home for a while and that’s solid. The npcs on the forums are on to something for once

Azshara definitely will return if youve been noticing a lot of stuff. And she has been effing w the void stuff and ol xaletath (don’t remember how to spell her name) will def be involved as she was hidden in the recent cinematic if you watched closely

[stoic spruce]

So you don't have a real reason other than zone #67?

[halcyon timber]

Avaloreb might become a thing too finally

Avalorn* damn phone

[languid ravine]

Queueing on my Frost mage today: 4 out of 4 Marksman lobbies, 3 Demon Hunters

:^)

[halcyon timber]

However, we may revive tyr completely 10.2 and im all about it. Got the power rangers back together w tyr completing the set… well and malygos and neltharion gone too but whatever. Proud of kalecgos and ebyssian

Yeh effin lobbies like that, i have no idea how to get people to stop throwing

[wary spire]

I'm worried it would be "hewp this lil cute bby seal to defeat biiig yetti! And the yetti agweed to hewp, dawww! Yeti pretended to be defefed and is now giving you a thubsup uwu what a wholesome chungus moment" all over again.

Fucking yeti and his fucking hamsters.

[jolly sierra]

swimming in wow sucks

also irl i have phobia to the sea

never liked anything from sea

ingame

[jolly sierra]

similar to super heroes plots

[wary spire]

I want to punt that little seal off a cliff.

But the writing team has decided that my undead rogue is friendly lighthearted peaceloving individual. And at most what she can do to people is roll her eyes at them. Which she lacks.

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-penguin-drop-super-mario-gif-9070127

[wary spire]

At least in bfa I could "play pretend for a while".

[jolly sierra]

the one which had more chances to be a dick was the dk

[wary spire]

Wholesome chonker reddit moment undead dk.

[jolly sierra]

dk was able to wipe out the entire red dragonflight and then death threat another one in drustvar

[wary spire]

Yes. I want that shit.

I want edgy shit like this

[jolly sierra]

u will need to wait for ur chance tho

[stoic spruce]

I play an undead dk :D

[wary spire]

How do you like your character acting like a generic nelf druid?

Legit last time I was excited about wow lore related stuff was the Garrosh cinematic.

Man they did him right.

[stoic spruce]

It's not a generic night elf druid. Undead DK is cooler. Also Human or Orc DK would be much more generic.

[halcyon timber]

Im big on the uncrowned, killing who needs to die that is disrupting balance

I do love me some sabotage, espionage, and smoking fools who deserve to be 6 ft under

There will always be minor quests and other things to do, not everything is a greatest hit. Main story is always for the meat and cheese.

If i had to put a suspecting eye on it all

• we revive tyr fully in 10.2
• we seek passage to the other side of azeroth and go to avalorn (Irish / english mythology very important as it was the resting place of king arthur) our version is tyr

Getting the dragons back to being united is a big deal because we truly do need them to smoke the void and we will need tyr

[wary spire]

The dialogue options and quest progression is the same for everybody tho. And it's tailored for a nelf druid who cares.

[jolly sierra]

zzzzzzzzzz

[halcyon timber]

At some point, i think the light will start their holy hellfire crusade

[jolly sierra]

uncover alextratsza

as true evil

and make us kill her

[halcyon timber]

Nah man

[wary spire]

Dreadlord Jaina 2.0.

[jolly sierra]

we need a fkn plot twist

steve danuser is fucking everything in lore

i hate it

[halcyon timber]

They did that w sylvy and it effed all up

[jolly sierra]

nah she was just a pet

they did a kerrigan w her

[halcyon timber]

I can agree w uniting her soul and uther

[jolly sierra]

if sylvanas would end in a good way

she would be killed in the raid

BUT

no no

just fkn redeem her

sure

[halcyon timber]

Sylvy is whole again so she will return

[jolly sierra]

do a med'an w her

[halcyon timber]

Illidan also will come back

[wary spire]

I like it, but I see myself more of a mercenary who's doing cloak and dagger stuff for money or if it would be particularly funny to screw someone over.

[jolly sierra]

and never bring her ever again

[halcyon timber]

Agreed, ive always been a planning and thinker guy so i like to have a thief mentality

That’s what Subtlety has always been to me anyway

[jolly sierra]

i wanna a fkn house in wow

and ppl visiting me

so i can prepare cookies

[halcyon timber]

Thet takes a large amount of time

As someone who does that

[jolly sierra]

prepare cookies?

[halcyon timber]

Modeling and painting texures to set that up is a pain

[wary spire]

I was ok with a sewer in legion.

[halcyon timber]

Ion said teah at some point

Yeah

[jolly sierra]

meh, use the entire team which did sylvanas cinematics

and u are done

[halcyon timber]

Cinematic team is differnt

Than modeling and texturing

[jolly sierra]

i was more team ravenholdt manor tbh

at this step dunno

but im sure

[halcyon timber]

Yeah uncrowned all day

[jolly sierra]

they have the resources

to to that

[halcyon timber]

Love the uncrowned

They can but there are a lot of diff teams at blizzard

They did hire 250 devs who did that from spellbreak and other games

So who knows but it takes a year or so to get people used to a pipeline of work . Especially vfx and animating.

[jolly sierra]

rlly feel they priorized stuff like shit

[halcyon timber]

Like ffxiv has housing but an entire team was probably hired to do that and ffxiv has a lot of cosmetic focused shit

[jolly sierra]

forgetting some things which makes the game looks outdated af

[halcyon timber]

They prioritize keeping the pve kids happy

Thats one of the pillars of wow

[jolly sierra]

mostly of this is for shit like modeling bugfixes and obsolete models

from like 10 years ago

[halcyon timber]

Yeah

[jolly sierra]

instead focusing in remodeling a character like 2-3 times in 2 years

like it was really needed

[halcyon timber]

Durotar as an example would take a lot

Like a lot

[jolly sierra]

that would require an entire texture revamp

[halcyon timber]

Yeah we can use a height map and utilize the bones of it to retexture but

Meh there are ways to do it but its a pain in the ass

Not just point click done

[jolly sierra]

i would be happy remodeling old characters and models tbh

[halcyon timber]

Like who?

We are already though

[jolly sierra]

li li who looks like a fkn teenager when she is in the same age as anduin

also my fkn neck looks disembodied

[halcyon timber]

She is updated i believe

[jolly sierra]

by a texture stitch

[halcyon timber]

I think that was a datamined thing a while ago

[jolly sierra]

nothing confirmed yet

[halcyon timber]

Lili also isnt involved in the current story though

[jolly sierra]

she was in bfa

and did nothing

[halcyon timber]

Priority of work /shrug

Yeah it is what it is man dunno

[jolly sierra]

varian model too

for bfa when he was a ghost and shit

[halcyon timber]

He was dead but yeah

[jolly sierra]

still used the mongo face from wotlk

[halcyon timber]

XD

Depends the damn zealots from SM are running around spreading propaganda

So old world could be updated. Prob in pieces

[jolly sierra]

for example also

look at garona

she is relevant af in wow

still didn't got anything

and instead given a remodel to valeera

[halcyon timber]

Yeah

Artists get told , they prob don’t choose

Valeera is also relevant. She has ties to alliance and horde as far as helping out /shrug

Both are wicked cool though

[surreal barn]

We need to raise van cleef as undead

[halcyon timber]

That would be sick af

[surreal barn]

Yes it would.

[halcyon timber]

Would love that shit

Vanessa turned her way’s recently from what im understanding

Doesn’t fight for defias any longer ? I am only horde so I don’t know what was done

She defended her foster family or something back in westfall

Def interested to see wtf medhiv has been up to. We will probably find out soon.

[jolly sierra]

yeah valeera was relevant in bfa

but garona was considered one of the high rankeds of horde in BFA, was in the visions and shit too

even think she is better than valeera overall

[halcyon timber]

She’s a badass for sure

One if my favorite rogues

Of

Tethys is cool too and we rogues have a connection through him to get over to explore the seas. I wouldn’t be surprised if us rogues had an active part to play

[stoic spruce]

You're my favorite rogue

[halcyon timber]

Heh

Since Metzen is back, it’s going to be a sick story anyway

[wary spire]

Hopefully with not a lot of green Jesus.

[halcyon timber]

Prob not

[languid ravine]

is green jesus still alive? isnt he like a hundred years now

[halcyon timber]

Hes prob in his 50s by now. Orcs live a lot longer as well

Humans do too due magic and shit

[languid ravine]

filthy humans and their cheat magics

[halcyon timber]

Khadgar is aged due to what happened w medihv and stuff .

Flynn fairwind (i think is his name) and shaw will prob have a good bit of stuff for us to do

Shaw is cool af too

[languid ravine]

I remember a meme where the new expansions mirrored the old ones e.g. legion<BC, DF<cataclysm etc

[halcyon timber]

Metzen said he will never do a cata again though

Said too many people got pissed off

[languid ravine]

well I can only imagine the effort to alter the whole of classic more or less

[halcyon timber]

Looking forward to new dave greco art though he makes sick blizz stuff

Yeah agreed

I liked cata but def agree w healing the world about now but yep

Hope more rogue stuff pops up on the trading post

It will be interesting to see what the Manari have to say when they join the alliance next patch

[scarlet shell]

void infused resurrected vancleef, retcon the juggernaut (it was not decommissioned) and actually bomb stormwind.

[jolly sierra]

turalyon is fkn immortal

dont expect he dissapearing anytime soon

make defias join horde

as mercenaries

would be fun af

[languid ravine]

ethical manabomb gaming

[jolly sierra]

defias brotherhood working as infiltrators in SW

nice

they have void elves now give us living humans

[waxen meteor]

lol first marksman game ends 60

[jolly sierra]

wat

[waxen meteor]

well after clearing all classes 1800, I decided to try other specs

marksman looks fun

read the pvp guide...

did 10 skirmish and 2 BG

[jolly sierra]

just go full mastery and shot a rapid fire

[waxen meteor]

went for 1st solo...

60 easy as fuck...