do we run 4 set as sub?
#pvp
thick dagger
potent pivot
Most people don’t as far as I know
restive hemlock
Those daggers plus the SL s1 enchant is what I use. Looks sick
jolly sierra
Those daggers plus the SL s1 enchant is what I use. Looks sick
wait can u use enchants on those daggers?
for me they are locked in that skin
restive hemlock
Yea it's a bit tricky. You have to have a normal dagger and put the enchant on them. Then swap to the artifact appearance (in the dagger section, not legion artifacts). The enchant can stay on then
Hard to see on this. But the enchant is on the dagger and the blue thunderfury offhand. Looks dope
jolly sierra
Yea it's a bit tricky. You have to have a normal dagger and put the enchant on t...
need to do that, cuz would be interesting af for some xmog combos
jolly sierra
once i talked here about surviving like shit and a guy said "u have 2 vanishes"
i had a REEEEEEEEEEE when they didnt't checked my spec color to say that
i wanna 2 fucking vanishes too
stoic spruce
DKs are so easy to kill its insane people lose to them
jolly sierra
with warrior they are easy af
stoic spruce
I'm farming them as outlaw idk
jolly sierra
maybe they lose to them cuz they dies first
pearl warren
outlaw does counter dk
stoic spruce
rogue counters melee
jolly sierra
once w my ww got fucked by a dk cuz the bastard did a 160k festering stack bursting
and in other one a 90k clawing
stoic spruce
not mostly
jolly sierra
with warrior i eat rogues
stoic spruce
theyre easy to kill with warrior too yeah
thick dagger
so do we not run 4 set just so we can get more mastery pieces ? the 4 set seems really good but the top players only run 2 with 85-93% mastery
glass bear
so do we not run 4 set just so we can get more mastery pieces ? the 4 set seems ...
correct
thick dagger
ty
stoic spruce
buff outlaw
jolly sierra
buff assa
jolly sierra
amen brother
wise breach
Have any assa rogues tried full conquest/crafted mastery gear and no tier? I'm sick and tired of Shadowmeld failing and getting knocked out of stealth, and Poisoned Edges is not a lot of damage anyway
I might try to put that set together the next few weeks now that I have no other use for sparks
dusky quartz
yea im playing full conquest crafted no tier and its solid af
no need for tier its dogshit
its so triggering that they didnt even bother to fix the 2p bug for the whole season
halcyon timber
That nitro coffee is sick af. A man of excellent choice.
potent pivot
skip tier on assa
That sounds terrible
jolly sierra
our tier has a fatal flaw
sadly
the fkn restealth
u cant w tier without breaking it shortly later
potent pivot
Ye I know
wise breach
That sounds terrible
Most games Poisoned Edges is 2-3% of my damage
It's worth experimenting with I think
wise breach
With that said, I'm realizing that an assumption I had (that 4pc is also listed under Poisoned Edges) might not be correct
pearl warren
That sounds terrible
agreed, the 2pc is heat (4pc has its place too)
gleaming pawn
true, tier isn't even Sin's real problem. Being made of wet paper is. And losing even more damage lowering your counter pressure is only going to make living harder
jolly sierra
nessper do u advice going w no set as assa for shuffle if u wanna restealth and do some dmg?
potent pivot
It's worth experimenting with I think
Everything is worth experimenting with tbh, but when I did my own initial testing toward the start of the season etc it looked to be worth using.
But what works for me may not work for everyone, this game doesn’t have to be played the same way by everyone 
pearl warren
nessper do u advice going w no set as assa for shuffle if u wanna restealth and ...
if ur actually playing for restealths, its probably worth
just dropping tier for full mastery
jolly sierra
if ur actually playing for restealths, its probably worth
i see, yeah, that is my goal
glass bear
Has anyone tested 4 set on sub to see if there is any value from it?
potent pivot
Has anyone tested 4 set on sub to see if there is any value from it?
yes, it's not very good
it's not the worst, but generally most people value more mastery over it to maximize finisher dmg etc
glass bear
yes, it's not very good
So prefer increasing baseline vs more crit chance?
potent pivot
p much
pearl warren
So prefer increasing baseline vs more crit chance?
increase mastery and play around cold blood+sec tech
dont need crit chance when you can guarantee your hardest hitting ability crits
glass bear
increase mastery and play around cold blood+sec tech
Okay thank you
spring bough
if you have the wraithchill enchant u can make pretty much any wep work w the set one of the best illusions i got lol
jolly sierra
if you have the wraithchill enchant u can make pretty much any wep work w the se...
which one is that?
spring bough
@jolly sierra i think it was the shadowlands heroic pack promotional illusion so it might not be available anymore RIP. turns your entire weapon blueish
its like void edge but blue
jolly sierra
<@239851547935113216> i think it was the shadowlands heroic pack promotional ill...
ahhhhhhh from heroic pack
i bought the epic one back in the day
yeah i have it
can try it tho
spring bough
im playing my DK tonight and i was 1915 went 5-1 up to 1975 then get 2 wins.... back to 1915 get 5 wins back to 1975 time to break this curse lol
magic arch
jolly sierra
f
jolly sierra
play pevoker
stoic spruce
I wish EU and NA could play together :(
jolly sierra
u wanna play w me?
stoic spruce
ye
jolly sierra
how considered
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/15rytps/found_an_old_shadowlands_clip_i_had_saved_as/
ME WARRIOR
spring bough
i got duelist finally this season.... on my unholy dk LOL
time to try on the rogue somehow with outlaw lol
spring bough
this shadowflame illusion is so BIS lol
spring bough
already logged to the rogue got my TFs mogged up with it lol
spring bough
ima pretend like the rogue holds the title XD
jolly sierra
got a toxic af healer
which become mad on me
cuz i was just cceing while i had ppl dotted
said me "pikaboo wanabee" lol
halcyon timber
Really have to see what our guy comes up with
languid ravine
I m somehow highest rated on Assa, because I never queue because I m scared of intense games, so I only queue when I feel like and I keep winning
and then I play Sub because after winning on Assa I feel like an actual pro gamer and instantly get tilted
at just about everything
and then I queue Outlaw and lose to tank lobby
its the circle of life
halcyon timber
Jeeze tough cut for sure man
jolly sierra
its a cycle
languid ravine
its just weird to me because, yeah I m playing better on assash but definitely not 200 rating better
jolly sierra
i've read something sad in reddit
realz rlly had a struggling when he dissapeared
but a huge one
hope he can feel better
halcyon timber
He’s a really good guy, it’s no one’s business but I hope he is able to have some peace and clarity. I hope much better days are ahead for him.
jolly sierra
same, he needs it tho
halcyon timber
He’s a strong dude seriously. Can’t imagine losing my dad.
halcyon timber
Ive lost 5 family members in the last year and a half but that doesn’t compare to losing a parent
halcyon timber
That sucks man
jolly sierra
when i asked him for that he said "its complicated"
halcyon timber
Agreed, my dad raised us on his own. I can feel that.
halcyon timber
Hope your friend has found some calm among that storm. Shit sucks man
halcyon timber
Right on, that’s a big part at least
halcyon timber
Ah sheet
jolly sierra
respect for him
halcyon timber
I believe we look at things multi faceted opposite to others
What do you guys hope to see in 10.2?
I wouldn’t be opposed to endurance and elusiveness coming back (wrath i think is when we had that) .
jolly sierra
more ability to endure shit
sick wasp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T912I_ffVgQ ''forced'' to play the worse specc in the game==>okays without poisons
like what person plays arena without wound
it escapes me
gleaming pawn
What do you guys hope to see in 10.2?
I want SnD gone, but on the larger scope yeah, making Sin tankier and maybe even Outlaw a bit more
like, it's tankier than Sin but still can die quite easily
it ain't s4 SL with CDR on vanish
halcyon timber
Agreed hard
Dunno im not sold on snd being gone till they do something with shadow techniques.
halcyon timber
Yep
jolly sierra
fine then
halcyon timber
Every thing shouldn’t revolve around silly stuff
halcyon timber
Should be build your own kit and kick some teeth in
halcyon timber
Yeah now if energetic stabbing was back, is be fine w that but it isn’t gonna come back
Id*
gleaming pawn
SnD just feels all around, like complete shit to press
and there is no great noticable impact, so spending energy and CPs keeping it up, also feels bad
make it a passive, or remove it from the game and adjust accordingly
halcyon timber
I dunno if they honestly can / will
Losing a non target finisher kinda stinks honestly
Wtb fw being 50% again
gleaming pawn
I dunno, even the outlaw pve side is angling for SnD to be gone. So maybe
halcyon timber
Yeah but they won’t make that passive
It would be nerfed to 20% or something and then rogue energy regen def won’t get compensated
halcyon timber
I trust realz but I don’t trust the others
jolly sierra
dunno about other specs
but maybe
if they do that w snd for all specs
should be ok
halcyon timber
Premeditation applying it is fine for us Subtlety rogues not hard to keep up
Same time wtb symbols and premed combining to be an active button again
jolly sierra
is a shitty cd sometimes yeah
but maybe if we can just extend it easily
then we can do something
halcyon timber
Wtb damage out of dance. I don’t agree w rat packing dance
Should be able to build and have flexibility
halcyon timber
Id kill for cata subtlety
Sanguinary vein all day as a choice node
1 dance , no gimmicks
jolly sierra
dude tbh hemo was good af as a sub ability
halcyon timber
Yeah id love hemo been suggesting that forever
gleaming pawn
Sub is not getting away from the all in dance play any time soon if ever
jolly sierra
that is the biggest flaw about sub right now
halcyon timber
Right but options to smooth stuff out instead of “all this”
jolly sierra
they balance like shit
cuz they are just burst dmg
compared to before
nerf a little that
and u have now a boneless sub
gleaming pawn
Sub is also all over the place from a playerbase stand point
with big splits on how the spec should function
so it's hard for Realz to nail down a solid theme, etc
halcyon timber
Give choice nodes
I don’t agree w making useless buttons because johhny x said so
jolly sierra
rlly would like choice nodes
halcyon timber
Idgaf if i had to talent 5x
Backstab / gloomblade does 10% more evisc does 5% more yadda yadda . I would
thick slate
how important is rupture as sub ?
thick slate
solo shuff scenario, youre gunning down that dps and you're ccing heal
halcyon timber
Nice change in the bank
I prefer having s rupture rolling to eat through shields and silly stuff other classes have
So your meaningful hit’s aren’t deterred by shields and silly pokemon resto Druid summons
Up to you man, not really a “do or don’t “ answer. It depends on the situation
thick slate
Fair enough then
halcyon timber
Lots of stuff is “it depends” as a rogue . Comes down to reading the field and looking for an opportunity.
Pvers don’t see that because they play whackamole w robots that don’t fight back
jolly sierra
look
rupture was a rotation ability back in the day
before legion
the dmg is even better than assa rupture sometimes
its good, yeah
halcyon timber
Rupture always did solid damage for both of us though
Wtb garrote too but pve kids will blow a fuse “too much maintenance “ I remember when you jsut had a full kit
jolly sierra
solid yeah
halcyon timber
And it came down to how do i wanna smoke this turkey
jolly sierra
i regret don't using sub in wod
the DFA build seemed funny af
also has dmg outside stealth
halcyon timber
Yeah sanguinary vein was the shit
Literally could just attach that to black powder and boom fixed
But that’s pretty much deeper daggers which it does so /shrug
pearl warren
Pvers don’t see that because they play whackamole w robots that don’t fight back
this isn’t always true, especially not in m+
high keys made me a better pvp player
halcyon timber
Right i like keys too but when its a rogue destroying hand grenades non stop
Or always being quick to do x while a fury warrior tees off and whines about mAh pArse
pearl warren
yeah i mean I’ll never sympathize with the average pve player
following a script can only be so difficult
halcyon timber
Regardless, really hope to see stuff open up
Instead of 1 way or no way for all rogues
pearl warren
it’s pretty flexible tbh
jolly sierra
i rlly want
pearl warren
just aren’t a lot of high end rogue players that actually push those limits (imo)
karmic summit
any1 know how do i play against 2 mages in shuffles? new to rogue in pvp
languid ravine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T912I_ffVgQ ''forced'' to play the worse specc i...
all the "smart"asses in comment section lecturing Pikaboo that Outlaw was played in AWC and WON! (for like a whole day throughout all of season 2) is the most hilarious shit I ve seen all week
coral scarab
Does lower pvp brackets reward marks of honor?
languid ravine
yes and on top of that you can buy those with honor
jolly sierra
any1 know how do i play against 2 mages in shuffles? new to rogue in pvp
death from above can be a good thing to move through them
hug pillar a lot till u are ready to go
w stealth
minor cape
also pray a lot
might be bad advice but i also take maneuvrability vs mages if mage is my target
so that my sprint is 30 seconds cd which with shadowdust allows you to chase them forever
then shadowstep cd point might be a good thing to have too
halcyon timber
any1 know how do i play against 2 mages in shuffles? new to rogue in pvp
See which one isn’t using blink. If they do use blink then you’ll have to try to smoke em when they don’t have it.
Lock a frost on frost and you’ll buy 3 sec of no ice block
Arcane wont blink but can still block but that’s whatever
halcyon timber
Yeah train the shit out of them
minor cape
fire is squishiest of 3 even when no glass cannon
halcyon timber
Pay attention to alter and shimmer and hit them when they bounce back
minor cape
so basically get best mobility and go for the squishiest one 
But it's not a favourable matchup either way
halcyon timber
XD pretty much
Mages have 5 movements to get through and that’s if youre not DBd or novad
minor cape
i'd also take elusiveness over cheat
halcyon timber
Or sheeped or ROF xD
minor cape
NeRf cHaoS bOlT BliZZard
motherfuckers did it, now destros damage is in conflag and incinerate lol
halcyon timber
XD yeah
Must be nice to just make any ability do damage
Just keep mashing it like tekken
minor cape
imagine if wow pvp worked like tekken - you just take the dancing guy and mash every button
oh wait.............
minor cape
do that stupid yoshimitsu infinite attack shit till either one of you dies
halcyon timber
Lol fuckin a man
karmic summit
thanks lads appriciate it
halcyon timber
No sweat man, hopefully that helps a little. Fighting a solid mage comes down to timing a lot.
karmic summit
and whats the opener for reprimand db build?
minor cape
there are many ways
and many variations of the build
the key to opening well is to control one or multiple targets
so that noone can disrupt you
as to damage in the opener
you can top points with shadowstrike -> eviscerate -> er -> cb+st
or you can send er cb st right away
just make sure to re cheap
you only press ER when you have 0 combo points
karmic summit
and i er in dance?
minor cape
of course
karmic summit
aight
minor cape
secret tech of course too
you can ER -> dance -> secret tech i guess
but not much point + you get a macab stack in dance
🫡
sick wasp
all the "smart"asses in comment section lecturing Pikaboo that Outlaw was played...
Its not like it matters,jsut speaks volumes for the person 😉
halcyon timber
Another thing could be bringing back reinforced leather too as a talent. Was like 50% increased armor. Prob wouldn’t fly but something like that as an early pt node. Heck , increasing elusiveness to 30% for assassination that way maybe.
Or augmenting crimson vial like they talked about in SL but didn’t get around to with time constraints.
minor cape
Its not like it matters,jsut speaks volumes for the person 😉
why do people rip on pikaboo so much for not wanting to play outlaw
😩
why does a rogue player have to play all 3
specs
sick wasp
why do people rip on pikaboo so much for not wanting to play outlaw
im not ''ripping on'' anyone.Just pointing out that he has no idea about the spec whatsoever and calls it for being the worse.I dont like outlaw for pvp as well,im not saying its the worse,coz its not.Whaazz,Raz and the other big boys say its fine and proved it on AWC finals.But lets applaud pika coz its pika
languid ravine
minor cape
whatevs he says a lot of bullshit sometimes even knowingly lol
but hes just a fun guy who i dont mind at all 🤔
stoic spruce
if you want entertainment, you watch flarkness' viewer rbgs.
glass bear
Crusader
nova viper
Pika and xaryuu do more for pvp community than blizzard
cursive umbra
People actually watch Flarkness? Whenever i pick up a new class/build and search for guides to get me going his name often comes up as he does pvp guides regularly for many classes. However, after like the first 5 minutes its so easy to tell that he is waaaay off in his guide that i always stop. Literally its wrong gems, its wrong embellished items, its wrong talents. No hate, just that dude seems way off
Before you start hating yes i know most things can be played in many different ways, but im talking completely off from what murlok.io ranks people using (thats why its so easy to tell that its not correct). His arguing is also wrong
No hate, just seriously considered if hes a troll or not
minor cape
Flarkness is a good dk
and is active in dk pvp chat
but yeah, like other classes idk if i can trust him, but his dh guide is fine
🤔
cursive umbra
love his ww guide gemming stamina 🙂
minor cape
i feel bad for dk
like they dont get to play it at all
maybe for two weeks lol
a season
scarlet shell
I like Pikaboo. 🙂
minor cape
they deleted the thicc boi for 2 weeks of unholy dk being good
or is it still good idk, dont feel it to be that threatening
stoic spruce
yeah that and the apoc nerf ruined it for me. Its not my Unholy without pets
stoic spruce
or is it still good idk, dont feel it to be that threatening
its good but still paper
once people realize how easy they are to kill its joever
minor cape
it feels like it should be good into sub, but it's just not for some reason
you dont have to force his ability that trinkets shit, they just press it right away on first sign of a stun
stoic spruce
its good with outlaw
minor cape
then just get trinket boom he dead
stoic spruce
slept on comp
stoic spruce
big ST
infinte CCs
it could be the person I played with works well with me
but its good
and before someone replies, which knowing WoW players they like to assume I mean something else, I mean good.
steady forge
how much damage does the Beacon in pvp i'm curious? can it os ppl?
marble oasis
lol no it's does like 20k crit
rotund fulcrum
Is the reasoning for fang in crafted dagger off hand just cause faster weapon speed should mean more procs
I have the crafted sword on my main rogue already at 447 from when I tried outlaw early in the season in pve
wanton breach
Is the reasoning for fang in crafted dagger off hand just cause faster weapon sp...
outlaw mastery procs offhand attacks which might also proc fang -> way more attacks with offhand
tawny kestrel
outlaw mastery procs offhand attacks which might also proc fang -> way more atta...
the only reason you have dagger in off hand is for poison procs
everything else is normalized
rotund fulcrum
Ok cool thank you I’ll just recraft the sword with fang 😃
pearl warren
but its good
agreed; most classes can work well with outlaw (very few have anti synergy)
sick wasp
agreed; most classes can work well with outlaw (very few have anti synergy)
u gonna do any highranked shuffles on stream tonight?
hey hey btw
some assa tech plz
pearl warren
uh i q shuffle early in the day, so perhaps
prefer organized play 🙂
I’ll probably be streaming shuffle in like the next hour or two
pearl warren
some assa tech plz
may or may not be waiting for assa buffs before i play it again
rotund fulcrum
even with the sword with fang, my pve rogue will have kinda scuffed pvp gear. i don't think i can get a 2nd embellishment til next weeks spark lol
pearl warren
do you have a sporecloak?
jolly sierra
after that cringefest w 1-5 and 2-4 ended 4-2 and 5-1 w assa respectively
i think ill gonna LFR this last slot
just pain
jaunty osprey
10.1.7 isnt even out yet
gleaming pawn
10.1.7 is coming out September 5th, but the season wont be ending until 10.2 is released which doesn't have a release date yet, just later in the Fall of 2023
surreal barn
About to go to Europe and was debating on a push or just ride that sweet MMR inflation
gleaming pawn
just let it ride, for sure
jolly sierra
ride
pearl warren
Tell me zero
correct
jolly sierra
had a guy which whispered to me in a skirmish after losing "mind waiting for portal next time"
then i replied "mind using dark pact before reaching 10% hp"
then watched my whisper window flashing and didn't bother in read again lol
minor cape
fella doesnt know how dark pact works
languid ravine
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaNNNDDDD IN THIS WEEKSSSS!!!! PEEE VEEE PEEE BRWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWAWWL
Face your enemies face to face in this face
SIX players
VERSUS
FIVE players
for three minutes straight until the server resets due to lack of players
relive the intense memeries of Nozdormu as he is stuck in this loop until the end of time
ah wait envermind 6th guy just joined
jolly sierra
fella doesnt know how dark pact works
i swear
was outrageous to watch how he died and used dark pact at his last moments
minor cape
well sometimes you do that as a lock
when you need to live and it just came off cooldown
rotund fulcrum
do you have a sporecloak?
I do not
languid ravine
Ret Pala in my lobby dies twice in opener without using bubble
states "cba using divine shield as my first gcd"
and you know what he is right
jolly sierra
wtf
dude if u are watching urself about to die
then use that bubble asap instead attacking like a monkey lol
gleaming pawn
ret paladin players are only working with about 1/2 more of a brain cell than DH and DK players. So that totally checks out
idle root
so this was it huh
languid ravine
DK isnt nearly as simple as it looks
halcyon timber
Ret Pala in my lobby dies twice in opener without using bubble
Somehow our fault as rogues
gleaming pawn
maybe not, but most of the people playing it are braindead morons that actively give the class a bad name
halcyon timber
Everything is a rogues fault - forum npc logic
halcyon timber
XD
minor cape
instead a wheelchaired main
warlock ret priest would be called paralympics cleave
spring bough
so ive cleaned up my image and i dont curse at anyone anymore in solo shuffles. the most i do is call people idiots or tell them to learn to play. and somehow that still qualifies as a banable offense..... guess i just need to never type again in game smh
spring bough
idk i grew up with vanilla pvp and it was shit talking central its just engrained in me lmao
minor cape
i have never received useful info
and if it is an insult its always a braindead one smh
not even smth clever
spring bough
everythings too soft nowadays lmao
jolly sierra
i said the R word to a guy in a SS cuz he was pissing me off blaming me for losing in a round
and didn't bothered in using his defensives in the round i called him like that
spring bough
i think the worst thing i said yesterday was do more damage than the healer and somehow im banned lol
spring bough
this would be my fourth offense i think..... September 7
jolly sierra
Do a quick first win of day at 2s
oh im into a lfr
jolly sierra
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
rotund fulcrum
For people that have pushed 2k+ in 3s did you just fight the LFG boss until you found consistent partners? I’ve tried finding partners in discords but it’s hard
Wish people in my guild PvPd lol
jolly sierra
all working as usual
broken otter
It takes a special kind of stupid to assume somebody is bad/young based on their faction.
waxen meteor
inflation is real.
afk, came back 2 months, started first solo from alts, all were 1900-2000 mmr
i didn't realize MMR inflation is applied even to AFK account lol
winter seal
Is it easier to play sub or assa in solo?
potent pivot
For people that have pushed 2k+ in 3s did you just fight the LFG boss until you ...
Pretty much ye
winter seal
I got 1800 week 2 of s1 and haven’t played since
potent pivot
Is it easier to play sub or assa in solo?
Yes.
winter seal
Okay sweet.
winter seal
I play sin in pve so I’ll probably stick with that
winter seal
Still 30 minute queues?
gleaming pawn
depends on your rating, and when you're queueing up
jolly sierra
inflation is real.
afk, came back 2 months, started first solo from alts, all we...
counts cuz is the progress from last season
and u are 70 already, so
potent pivot
sub is the easiest rotationally
generally it's not easier than assa for 99% of people in pvp
waxen meteor
counts cuz is the progress from last season
i think i dropped in june with all chars unlocked the 1600 set
came back and all were at 1900-2000 ish
jolly sierra
yeah, is inflated indeed
winter seal
I mean I got 1800 last season relatively quickly as assa and I’m just trying to get the mog as painlessly as possible
I’ve done a decent amount of sub pve but not really pvp so I’ll probably just stick with what I know
gleaming pawn
unfortunately early s1 was easy because it was pre-nerfs, then blizz realizing all along death mark was bugged, but didn't reverse all of the nerfs to it
so s2 Sin is a bit harder
winter seal
I figured
waxen meteor
S2 ranking is overall much lower
I think at this stage in S1, people are 3000+ ranking
lots of people can sort of automatically unlock 1800
gleaming pawn
what the consensus again on why pvp rating is deflated this season @potent pivot? Was it something Blizzard did to the formulas and inflation behind the scenes, or did the pvp population drop off a cliff by the start of season 2
marble oasis
Damn, first ever warrior shuffle
i felt so bloody lost compared to my rogue but can't complain with results
https://i.imgur.com/6luyZsj.png
also this outlaw bleh rogue was evil as hell
potent pivot
what the consensus again on why pvp rating is deflated this season <@62946337825...
well they changed the way inflation worked at the beginning of DF iirc
toward the end of s1 they started artificially increasing inflation to try and help it along, but i assume that was taken back out of the equation when s2 started
generally speaking 2s/3s are deflated either way because they are just played by way less players now that shuffle is out
jolly sierra
Damn, first ever warrior shuffle
i felt so bloody lost compared to my rogue but ...
keep going, ask mud if need advice
he is happy to get new adherents
marble oasis
Does Mud work like mr teeth from oblivious films-the grind?
say his name three times and he appears? 😛
severe summit
languid ravine
Queue 40 min
Lobby 5 min
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stoic spruce
It takes a special kind of stupid to assume somebody is bad/young based on their...
Tbf in my experience there is a 100% track record of alliance healers not using CDs or cycloning targets seconds before they die.
Stuff along those lines. I'm always pessimistic about alliance healers now.
languid ravine
nah I ll manage a 3-3 and then I ll sack the monk forever because its not for me
DK in my lobby along with Ret and Fury Warrior, he thinks he is tanky :^)
jolly sierra
me smash
languid ravine
(spongebob french narrator voice) alas, he was not tanky after all
stoic spruce
People always think I'm dumb for calling the dk the kill target until the dude just falls over >.>
thick dagger
Hey guys I’m having issues 100-0 people in my kidney I am using Dance then kidney then shadow strike then Evis then symbol then cold blood secret tech is this not the correct burst with rotten and the other last middle talent ?
lucid citrus
Anyone have a good addon or WA for roll the bones?
waxen meteor
Hey guys I’m having issues 100-0 people in my kidney I am using Dance then kidne...
when rogue can 100-0 people, people crying 247
thick dagger
So it’s normal I’m just getting them to like 20% on my full burst ?
stoic spruce
You say that like it's a bad thing
waxen meteor
So it’s normal I’m just getting them to like 20% on my full burst ?
Yeah but you have teammates...
It's essencial for rogue's teammate to know what to do in kidney
that's also one shit thing in low rank rogue game
but you can also do duel closure
stoic spruce
I just picked stuff at random. is this about right?
dont answer that
yooo this is what it feels like to not have to press RtB?
languid ravine
is this ragebait?
stoic spruce
no it was the last build I used as assassination lol
from many moons ago
okay I remember why I stopped playing Assassination
languid ravine
maybe try a real talent setup 1 sec
stoic spruce
I used one from the pvpfaq
the bleed build
I just really dislike Reprimand mechanically
unless those builds are outdated
languid ravine
nah those look good though I would drop toxic rush for the bonus agi
languid ravine
the one refunding 7 energy on mutilate
stoic spruce
I c
languid ravine
oh sheet he is going to put a stop to them knees
jolly sierra
I just picked stuff at random. is this about right?
are u going assa?
u didnt picked DTB and instead went blindside route
xddd
stoic spruce
u didnt picked DTB and instead went blindside route
I dont know what DTB IS >.>
stoic spruce
oh that
yes I do. I swapped to a real build in the FAQ
I used that build in 10.0 just to see what the tree was like
stoic spruce
lol!
Echoing Reprimand isnt so bad when you only have 5 combo points
and less CP rng
jolly sierra
ofc
is very good in assa
u can even force the alignment
if u use garrote or poison knife
stoic spruce
is very good in assa
Wake me up when its its gone Zzz.
jolly sierra
zzzzzzzzzzzz
stoic spruce
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
exotic dove
On two of my Rogues when I played assa and not sub I gave one shadwoflame wreathe enchant and the other sophic. Needless to say probably going to make them both sophic pretty soon. Wasn't too impressed with wreathe lately
rotund fulcrum
I have double sophic on PvP assa rogue
exotic dove
Yeah I wanted to experiement with wreathe on one of my rogues
rotund fulcrum
Yeah there’s a skill capped video saying to do double wreathe for dual wielders for PvP but my intuition still goes towards Sophic lol
rotund fulcrum
Garrote/rupture is always top dam so I just want to empower that more always
jolly sierra
so dont bother in using it
rotund fulcrum
Also I finally played some outlaw today in 2s. Not high mmr like upper 1800s but some moments I felt super energy starved when I had procs up which felt bad
Was still fun tho. I was playing with a Druid healer from LFG that kept aggressively messing up my stun DRs lol
pearl warren
Was still fun tho. I was playing with a Druid healer from LFG that kept aggressi...
i had to tell my druid partner to spec out of bash for the same reason
rotund fulcrum
i kept trying to switch on defensives but i would look at DRs and i couldnt do anything lol
marble oasis
The burst i've seen some outlaw rogues doing has been insane specifically in dance obviously
I imagine this has been ambush / pistol shocks for builder no clue the finisher but i just know they was being literally deleted in the time it took me to charge in.
minor cape
for me playing vs outlaw in rotten build as sub is easy but when it comes to DB they fuck me so hard it's insane (prolly skill isue)
marble oasis
oh yeh sub vs outlaw i've never been beaten by outlaw only time it happened was when i was playing 2s with a BM hunter and they had a pally healer
minor cape
it happened when i played vs outlaw + healer as sub + healer and took db build
he just tunelled me down
when i take rotten they just dont have time to do it lol
marble oasis
sub's control is just too good against it.
but it's actually nice to see 2 specs being decent all be it outlaw currently harder to play without comms
probably just a disarm/stun timing as they're heavily CD focused from what i've seen
minor cape
again, might have just been a better player who rerolled outlaw cause it was one time thing
minor cape
probably just a disarm/stun timing as they're heavily CD focused from what i've ...
law is not really cd reliant feels like
sure theres adrenaline rush and shit
but if you disarm outlaw on adrenaline rush he just does rtb slice and dice in meanwhile lol
marble oasis
the guy who was deleting people did. maybe a few specs about
marble oasis
Yeh could be.
I’m going to probably give outlaw a try over the weekend as i’ll finally be buying my 450 fist weapon 😂 yeh i know i’m slow but i mainly pve 🙈
pearl warren
sub's control is just too good against it.
but it's actually nice to see 2 spec...
outlaw counters sub in most rogue mirrors
minor cape
okay so that makes sense then
pearl warren
player issue
minor cape
yeah prolly
pearl warren
yeah the spec is very top heavy
good players are very good, bad players will be noticeably worse
minor cape
i kinda had success with both db and brainrotten, so thanks for an alternative to rotten when i will be playing a damage farm shit
that i cant end
like arms + disc
marble oasis
Hmm interesting.
So is the outlaw shitting on sub more to do with the shear amount of damage they can push vs sub in it’s gimped damage state?
As we all know sub is like 2/3’a any other dps output at best.
stoic spruce
During burst or sustain?
stoic spruce
Hmm interesting.
So is the outlaw shitting on sub more to do with the shear amou...
I thinks it's to do with peepee poopoo sustain outside of cds
bold mortar
Outlaw 2set or 4 set? And what pieces?
cursive umbra
Outlaw 0 set?
cursive umbra
jolly sierra
yes son?
fossil sierra
what yall think is the most fun hybrid alt?
hit 1800 an have no drive to push 2.1k atm and need some fun shit to fuck around on
gleaming pawn
I'm giving Ret a shot now that I pushed Outlaw to 1800
languid ravine
what yall think is the most fun hybrid alt?
does it have to be a hybrid`? personally I m loving the shit out of Frost mage
I started at 20% winrate in 1400s and now I m 50% at 1900 coz its so much fun learning and playing it
maybe try Shaman, if you like Outlaw you ll probably like Enhance (or so I heard)
past crown
what is the oppener if i dont play the rotten build because i dont have 2 set bonus?
every guide i read and video i see.. everybody is saying something different
potent pivot
what is the oppener if i dont play the rotten build because i dont have 2 set bo...
because there's like 4 viable builds, just try em out and pick the one you like
cobalt pewter
past crown
i play the build from this guide https://youtu.be/DFudCOV1XAA
and tried the finisher build from icy veins.. both the same but different oppeners
languid ravine
queue 40 min
play 0 rounds due to instant leaver
peak gameplay, I dont see why anyone would quit WoW at all
jolly sierra
that shit happens to me sometimes when the shitty loading screen doesnt pass through 100%
then everyone leaves
thick dagger
What’s even better is when they DC but somehow still in the game but on your team so you get a loss or 2 before the game ends leaving you with - cr
What is your guys thoughts on Gloomblade like it don’t like it ?
halcyon timber
Love gloomblade
Really hope the fresh talents has stuff shifted around to make it solid on its own and less gimmicky stuff.
gleaming pawn
bit of love coming for Sin
gleaming pawn
technically, increasing damage does that. By making your opponent dead faster before you die 🙂
jolly sierra
bit of love coming for Sin
finally
jolly sierra
just wish the spec had more survivability
shhhh, we are waiting for the rework in that
im sure dmg will raise w rework but everything stacks so its fine
surreal barn
That’s a lot of class buffs
gleaming pawn
yeah no clue why they are buffing warlocks
surreal barn
lol
jolly sierra
they are making warr more consistent
this make storm of destruction arms pvp talent and blademaster torment good af
languid ravine
is it beybladin' time?
jolly sierra
imagine avatar + bladestorm then bladestorm every min
yeah
warriors are beyblades rn
exotic dove
So do those changes actually go into pvp for Assa or not the last few changes were confusing to me probably cause I am dumb but lol
halcyon timber
u dumbasses tf are u doing
Def going to blaming rogues after hunter buffs for some reason.
jolly sierra
assa melee dmg is a good source so its fine
jolly sierra
Def going to blaming rogues after hunter buffs for some reason.
dude rapid fire was strong af
how tf its just getting even more buffed
halcyon timber
“I died in a cheap shot” as the hunter calmly landed explosive shots into their noggin
jolly sierra
the worst shit is than it goes through los
jolly sierra
“I died in a cheap shot” as the hunter calmly landed explosive shots into their ...
i was hard trained
halcyon timber
XD
When did rogues learn rapid fire - warlock logic
rapid fire is definitely going to hit for around 100k ticks now. They are going to speedbag people like crazy. good for them man.
nova jay
halcyon timber
From 0 to 30%, there's no penalty.
From 30% to 39%, there's a 10% penalty.
From 39% to 47%, there's a 20% penalty.
From 47% to 54%, there's a 30% penalty.
From 54% to 66%, there's a 40% penalty.
From 66% to 126%, there's a 50% penalty.
You can't get more than 126% from gear rating.
- Wowhead
It's up to you man
thick dagger
With the Gloomblade build is there a reason why we dont run Prey on the weak ? Im mainly running Rogue Mage figured this was a must have for it . BUQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFAAAJAAAAAAAQgkkIJikIJJIJAJRikEIJJNQSJJBSCBAAAA
halcyon timber
do what you want man , don't "have" to do what others do.
prey is an all around 5% in pvp when dismantle or stuns. if you like it, do it.
thick dagger
trade that with extra attack range?
halcyon timber
it's a preference, do what you want
positioning, timing, and precision are more important than an 8 yard (shouldn't exist) kidney shot.
thick dagger
OK let me ask you this when you are playing RM do you run Prey on the weak over Acrobatic strikes ? Sorry for all the questions
halcyon timber
I do what I feel like doing and find a use in everything. That is my honest answer.
I have preferences and I woudl rather not obscure things for others
extended range can be useful but that is solely up to you
ignoring 5% of someone's wall with prey can also be nice but that's like 400 damage or something depending on the hit. That is also up to you.
the take away is, both offer benefits and it comes down to what you like more instead of being fixated on min maxing the fun out of everything. That ain't fun or absolute. Run what you like and adapt moment to moment as necessary.
thick dagger
Sounds good thanks for your time
languid ravine
personally I d never ever drop acrobatic strikes, it lets you threaten kicks and gouges on off targets, it often lets you keep attacking from roots, it lets you hit some melees without retaliation, the value is huge
halcyon timber
agreed, it's up to you in the end man.
surreal barn
You can hit everyone through pillars too lol
stoic spruce
just autos though right?
surreal barn
Ya
jolly sierra
acrobatic is good af
i can gouge the idiots which thinks can get away the usual when they start casting shit and im rooted
or chase fuckers to kidney
chrome schooner
From 0 to 30%, there's no penalty.
From 30% to 39%, there's a 10% penalty.
From ...
It's worth knowing that Mastery does not follow that rule
With Mastery it applies on Mastery Points, not on %. Every spec has a different Mastery point value. Iirc for Sub it's around 2.3% for one point
halcyon timber
It's worth knowing that Mastery does not follow that rule
right on man
jolly sierra
guys
do u think sub needs more sustained dmg instead just in dance to balance it?
im sure u will be fucked up every time it goes a tuning if stays like its rn
halcyon timber
agreed, options are nice. I preferred cataclysm. we weren't useless after dance. Now it feels like "get back to dance asap and spam tea"
- seal fate was appreciated but the sim bots in the other channel blow belly buttons over it along with spamming tea when --> Shadow techniques is still not very strong on its own.
- we constantly get tuned around dance and have nothing out of it besides Lingering which is appreciated to bridge the gap. Eviscerate sincerely needs to be worth a frick. I suggested Night's Vengeance as a deterministic talent to help.
I think more choices to emphasis abilities is the most well rounded approach
Ex: kill an elite out in the woods, base abilities are cruddy. Idc if I had to talent 5x to make gloom just do damage and eviscerate to be worth its salt, I would. Putting everything into 1 aspect of a class sucks.
really would ike to see no cdr on dance and it becoming a 1 min cd or 45 sec cd again. Instead of falling to tuning each time and then becoming a stun bot for others.
jolly sierra
that sounds nice af, alongside gloomblade i insist hemo should make a comeback
that would be perfect w rupture
and maybe if can work w shadow dmg too
halcyon timber
yeah would be pretty sick but yeah
halcyon timber
all the SL stuff shouldn't have come, dunno who influenced that or thought it was a good idea.
I long for a time when we return to core abilities being the emphasis instead
Garrote being back was a huge moment, was pretty bothered it went away.
jolly sierra
imo SL stuff shouldn't be capstones
like happens w SBS, sepsis or flag
rather than ER w animacharges
or maybe flexibilize the routes to have more capstones, like happens with warriors
they can chose between a lot of shit
stoic spruce
yeah literally any other cov ability wouldve been better imo
halcyon timber
nerf rogue because he got too many blue bingo chips or nerf rogue because he has that ability
halcyon timber
because sim nerds kill the game
jolly sierra
in the ability itself
instead the charges
i still recall in early df people 1 shotting w that in sub
halcyon timber
how about options to make eviscerate chunk instead
of gimmicks
or make gloom slap the taste out of people's mouth constantly
jolly sierra
SL had consistent evis tho
halcyon timber
yeah but techincally was because of juicing off of cov stuff
DF talent trees should have came out in BFA
instead of a new rabbit to chase and scuffing up everybody for new toys
stoic spruce
I'd argue trees shouldnt have left
halcyon timber
trees never should have left
pruning never should have happened
you don't see warlocks getting upset about core abilities slapping stuff
jolly sierra
fkn blindside should be a more flex choice
halcyon timber
only rogue where " I need a new ability to get a boner on" . absolutely ridiculous
jolly sierra
instead getting into the left assa row
im sure can be good
if is just moved above
halcyon timber
I'd like to honestly and whole heartedly believe, our man took all that feed back and is trying to provide options to meet those goals
let's take the mage "rework" as an example. They made abilities slap and took damage out of CDs a little which is good
sitting around going "oh boy can't wait to do damage for 7 seconds" is not a good feeling
wtb deadly throw + garrote instead of pruning our stuff
jolly sierra
sitting around going "oh boy can't wait to do damage for 7 seconds" is not a goo...
no way can be a good idea to do this
halcyon timber
it's not, it sucks
sure let people do it as THEIR CHOICE
cataclysm was it man, that was lightning in a bottle
they treat the pve kids like the treat us and they would change their tune
keystones and stuff is fun, watching everyone constantly do shit is not. oh boy waiting on my next technique so I can run and tell my mom oh boy
halcyon timber
oh ok right on
jolly sierra
for sub
halcyon timber
legion at least had SV through NB
that was nice
pve kids "it's too annoying to multi dot" "rat pack danceee"
ok cool, provide options
warriors keep changing tracks and have a beautiful tree as an example
the entire bottom of all rogue trees is nerfed because we whooped someone's hide in a kidney shot
jolly sierra
imo should have more flexible optional rows
both ret and warr have 3 choices to continue to the next talent to the bottom
assa at least has 2 options as i recall
capstones are disappointing too tho
in rogue general tree
u have a lot of wasted crap
to go to shadow dance
halcyon timber
yeah it's not cool man
jolly sierra
based
halcyon timber
Explosive shot too good lord
unreal pelican
Rogues seem pigeonholed pretty hard
Every other class Ive played has like 3 builds maybe
Where each build has maybe a different ability specced, slightly different playstyle
Rogue is like
“Do you want one extra second on shadowdance”
Or at least thats what it seems
halcyon timber
Yeah man, we have to wait and see
sour charm
Damn 5% Assa buff? Now wheres the 9% ontop of that....
stoic spruce
soon c:
stoic spruce
outlaw do be a chore in shuffle >.>
marble oasis
Yeh heard it’s even more comms reliant than assa/sub
marble oasis
Gonna give is a bash today i think.
Just gotta do some reading.
stoic spruce
Me: "Im going to show you why the US doesn't have free healthcare"
Me: goes 6-0
Healers hate me
Dps fear me
tepid willow
yeah if you wanna be optimal I'd assume there's comms for the blinding powder versus trink window
marble oasis
Anyone got a tldr on stat/gear setup aa the faq is giga old.
You guys able to link armoury if you’re fully setup so i can cheat? :p
stoic spruce
why are all alliance healers bad?
marble oasis
oh look i find a great outlaw guide 😆 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my1JuM6WuhU&list=WL&index=107
sinful sonnet
Sup
wary spire
they are making warr more consistent
Whyi whyi whyi whyi 
sour charm
Personally I love pressing feint and still die to Bladestorm
Why exactly can't you disarm it anymore???
marble oasis
You sure it’s the bladestorm and not the mortal strike procs during it?
stoic spruce
That would imply it's bladestorm
sour charm
Either or. Feint doing nothing to an AOE ability because it for some reason also casts MS, and it not being disarmable just feels bad.
stoic spruce
I press it on CD tbh
sour charm
Bladestorm? You should :^)
stoic spruce
That's the only time it feels like it does anything
No, feint.
Warrior skulls beneath my boot
sour charm
Perhaps it'd feel less annoying if they didn't have two
stoic spruce
They should vomit after the second one
sour charm
And this is not me saying Arms is giga OP, cause its not. But Bladestorm having no counter play just feels wrong. Surely I am not alone with that
Also Warbringer having the largest cone known to man. But that is mostly because I am sick of people in shuffle running ontop of me as they get charged
twin burrow
They just dropped the new class?
thick dagger
^?
toxic yarrow
Why do they keep buffing hunters ugh
sturdy canopy
Why do they keep buffing hunters ugh
Beacuse they're mid
stoic spruce
honestly, I think its fair considering how easy they are to kill.
jolly sierra
i always harass the hunt else im dead
stoic spruce
so true
also
someone said "can you let me play this gosh damn game???" (they said the REAL thing) and I said "teehee"
in a shuffle
jolly sierra
teehee
minor cape
Why do they keep buffing hunters ugh
they want to make 2v2 the hunter bracket
jolly sierra
its funny how they buffed both locks and hunters
as they are not performing decently now
minor cape
they gave assa the usual 5% tho
pearl warren
they want to make 2v2 the hunter bracket
outlaw counters hunter
unless the hunter is bicmex
jolly sierra
bicmex is here
and had an anime battle already with one of the persons present here
thought was w adskydroch
surreal barn
I summoned him here drunk
jolly sierra
how many pentagrams?
stoic spruce
Evil!
lucid citrus
is it better to have two fist weapons (Verse/Mast) or fist/dagger for outlaw?
sharp sierra
its funny how they buffed both locks and hunters
I’m pretty sure at this point lock is just a hero class.
surreal barn
Always has been
tepid willow
"hey guys we buffed rapid fire" is like watching somebody throw out a hamburger and eat the wrapper
jolly sierra
I’m pretty sure at this point lock is just a hero class.
(demon) hunter
sharp sierra
"hey guys we buffed rapid fire" is like watching somebody throw out a hamburger ...
I’ve watched rapid fire 1 shot people, insane it’s bugged.
Buffed*
Luckily for me lock is my second most geared and my caster class. Rogue is fav dps/melee, lock is favorite caster, priest probably favorite heals although i haven’t played pally,sham, or monk heals
halcyon timber
Yeah rapid fire is a bit ridiculous
Had a dude rage at me in solo shuffle the other day when when it was the marksman who lit his butt up during cheap shot
“Rogues do 80% of your life in cheap shot” yeah alright bud
sharp sierra
Yeah if the setups are right, following procs and all it’s possible. But rapid fire can literally just 100-0 someone with a few lucky crits.
minor cape
unless the hunter is bicmex
tbh sub is good vs any hunter too
minor cape
thought was w adskydroch
yes
minor cape
i won 😎 my proudest wow moment
halcyon timber
Yeh boy
minor cape
yeah but like hunter is the definition of get cd
kill
maybe just marks
but surv is kinda like that too
beastmastery is a little harder
languid ravine
I think Surv is more like assa or feral, apply dots, do ballerina dancing and use cheese tactics nonstops, the cds dont really give a lot of burstiness
languid ravine
ah yes amkes sense, beastmaster too
surreal barn
Yeah if the setups are right, following procs and all it’s possible. But rapid f...
I’ve messed around and given a marksman 15% tricks buff on his opener it is pretty funny
halcyon timber
Lol
minor cape
marks too but like marks feels easier to catch i have no idea why
and he dies in a kidney
🫡
jolly sierra
rapid fire is the most obnoxious MM ability
that shit hitted hard enough to get a buff
halcyon timber
Rf + explosive + salvo chunks tf out of people
minor cape
hunters problem is not rapid fire at all lol
halcyon timber
Hunter is strong - nonone blinks an eye
Rogue does a 90k ambush - nerf them blizzard!
jolly sierra
at least they doesnt have double tap anymore
surreal barn
Mage discord is not happy.
minor cape
i mean should have fixesld turtle for once
jolly sierra
Mage discord is not happy.
what
talk lol
halcyon timber
Turtle bugs right?
surreal barn
Needless to say they don’t like the buffs
halcyon timber
Been hearing a lot of hunter friends pissed about turtle
jolly sierra
XD
languid ravine
imagine hunter has a 3min cd 20% wall and they think, nah lets buff rapid fire
surreal barn
I see an arcane mage in my lobby I’m always thrilled to see a MM there too
minor cape
me and panda killed hunters many times with some rets ability
halcyon timber
Saw one get whackamoled by a shaman doing diglet the other day
minor cape
well not many, but for how much we played 2 would be enough lol
halcyon timber
XD in the land down undahhh!
Arcane is pretty nuts too
Like dragonforce on guitar hero but you’re getting hit by 50000 things
jolly sierra
me and panda killed hunters many times with some rets ability
was funny af
they wants the glass cannon basically w hunts
so screw the turtle
halcyon timber
That’s not real cool to tell hunters “that’s the way it is”