pvp

[minor cape]

refuse to elaborate

next patch nerf sepsis, refuse to elaborate again

pretty please

[languid ravine]

wait, Sepsis was OP this whole time?

[minor cape]

yes 😎

[fossil sierra]

I need a cheese build for shuffle/2s help me out

[minor cape]

lol the default one

[fossil sierra]

well i suck

[languid ravine]

think rotten/macaque is already the cheesiest build

not even flagellation

[minor cape]

remember how in s1 middle everyone was playing DB and not a single rogue on murlok had rotten and they nerfed it

rotten i mean

and refused to elaborate again

[languid ravine]

nope, havent played the one expansion where outlaw was fotm 😦

[minor cape]

when was law fotm

in df

pre seas 1

?

[languid ravine]

ah I thought you meant shadowlands

[fossil sierra]

is outlaw any better in solo shuffle lol? I feel like it should shine there, no?

[minor cape]

these were this mans last words

they found him swimming with a toaster later that day

the general meta of this chat last week was that law was good for 2s/3s but was absolutely obliterated in shuffle

😩

[stoic spruce]

Yeah at the same time though? Idk

[fossil sierra]

im somewhat of a masochist

[minor cape]

then youll love it

[surreal barn]

I’ve seen some good outlaws in shuffle at this point I think there just aren’t that many people playing it

I’m not counting Raz’s stream yesterday either

He was doing some voodoo shit, absolutely manhandling them

[minor cape]

that's raz lol

[fossil sierra]

just got steamrolled in a shuffle by fury going 6/0 sitting my healer lol

[minor cape]

when warrior get big disarm!

shiv warrior on cd too

if he went 6-0 maybe he's just better and not ur fault anyway

[spring bough]

i feel like outlaw is def good people just arent playing cause its cause the negative connotation around it of it sucks lmao

might be the whole there is no "burst" but hell if you get lucky over 2-3 seconds you could pop off 2-3 dispatches and a pistol and if you get some good crits thats like 300k damage right there

[fossil sierra]

I was shiving the and trying to cc as much but he just full on mongo lmfao

[spring bough]

first lobby of the day at 1900.... get a 500 rated healer and guy goes 0-6

[spring bough]

second lobby of the day.... 0-6 healer lmfaoooo

[sick wasp]

talking about a bad start

[spring bough]

third times the charm i guess lmao

[sick wasp]

was doing shuffle on my mage couple of weeks ago,had dakkroth on my team,he carried our asses

was legit insane how he r@ped everyone

just sheep the healer,let him do his thing

[surreal barn]

We are the same. Only played 2 lobbies today so far and all 6-0 healer

They must have changed how it pulls them

[spring bough]

yeah both healers that couldnt get a win were sub 1k.... youd think months into the season that wouldnt happen anymore lol

wtb season 1 solo formula back lol

[potent pivot]

I like s tech

[spring bough]

s tech is baller when you get those 6 figues on one person lol

[spring bough]

this aug in my lobby ended with 135k DPS lmao

[gleaming pawn]

their burst can be so dumb if people aren't ready for it

breath of eons hits stupid hard

[spring bough]

dude was just spamming living flame and fire breath lol. had a 127k and a 190k and 232k crit

unreal

[jolly sierra]

yeah bestie

[surreal barn]

Augs can pump it’s scary

[jolly sierra]

i ended 1-5 yesterday cuz i was cycloned 24/7 across all rounds

with a sp barking at me

[surreal barn]

You all faced aug boomie yet

That is the scariest shit in the game to me lol

[spring bough]

im telling yall man this RC KIR build im doing like 60k avg dps some rounds im having fun as hell running this

[static merlin]

solos toxic af.

[jolly sierra]

dunno how those fkn KFC survivors are still in S tier

[spring bough]

1973 as outlaw feeling like one of those duel push days

[gleaming pawn]

good luck!

[jolly sierra]

gl too

[gleaming pawn]

I can't seem to get an equal healer matchup to save my life, going 3-3 with 0-6 healers every damn day

[viscid bough]

Tell me about it

[jolly sierra]

i have a warr at 1750 and a ww at 1790

[viscid bough]

I went back to SS two weeks back began playing sub and I'm already considering suicide

[jolly sierra]

but the ww had 2 3-3 matches in a row so got bored

[viscid bough]

I'm not cut for PvP man, I'll just reap my KSH every season

[jolly sierra]

i would find funny if they matchmakes rounds with 2k CR healers and they plays at 1k4 lobbies

[viscid bough]

I wish I could play assa and have fun, is it getting reworked for 10.2 or something?

[jolly sierra]

can foresee that if i have found a 2k2 guy into a 1k9 mmr lobby already

[static merlin]

they say a rogue rework is coming some point around then

[gleaming pawn]

*minor rework

[static merlin]

how’s outlaw with the most recent buffs?

[gleaming pawn]

the same as it was before

[static merlin]

lol

[gleaming pawn]

it only was an increase of ~3-4% overall damage, in a perfect world

[jolly sierra]

bring back hemo for subs and we good

[spring bough]

next lobby im in... lock has cast chaos bolt 0 times after 2 rounds oh and now he just left GG

[gleaming pawn]

so in practice and with people CCing you, you aren't doing much if anymore damage than we were before

[spring bough]

i can get 100k crits with dispatch and pistol now but low 100ks idt ive broke 110k yet

[gleaming pawn]

last night I had the trash healer that couldn't get their head out of their ass for the first 2 rounds. They leave before the start of the 3rd. So I lost 7 rating

[surreal barn]

Keep an eye on your mmr when you have leavers sometimes they tank it even though you don’t lose much points

[gleaming pawn]

I rage quit for a bit after that

[spring bough]

1-1 so i got 0 rating thankfully didnt lose

[jolly sierra]

those leavers

[spring bough]

these lobbies all over today lol. this last one it had like a 500, 1500, 1700, and the MMR on the lobby wat 1974 lol

[jolly sierra]

had an aff yesterday which ended 1-5 cuz a dk, a ww and a mm just assblasted him

i tried my best to save him in a round and managed to win lol

[gleaming pawn]

it was bad enough it was after a 40min queue, but losing rating because I happened to be on the shitter's team for the first 2 rounds. Just some bs

[spring bough]

2 lobbies this lock did 2.09million damage......

[gleaming pawn]

I know they cannot really fix it because people would abuse it somehow, but there has to be something they can do about leavers beyond the nothing they are doing currently

[jolly sierra]

they need to have a longer deserter debuff tho

5 hours

[gleaming pawn]

it'd be up for not allowing leavers at all

at least then I would go 3-3 when they decide to stop playing

[jolly sierra]

the issue is leavers will still exists

while they can alt f4

[gleaming pawn]

yeah, but if they are still "in the lobby" at least no one else is really punished

there is no perfect solution, for sure, but the current solution just ain't it

[jolly sierra]

dunno how will work tbh, the char would vanish after some time

so ppl would play 2v3

for this guy

[spring bough]

i got so lucky before and had back to back instant pops. now im 20+ min into a que lol

[surreal barn]

30 mins

Maybe our mmr the same

[spring bough]

Yeah I hit 35 then my power went out so I’m going to end up over an hour waiting for one lobby lol

happend with Dayv once. got in a que with him was fun as hell

[surreal barn]

I just dropped

I don’t need some outlaw in my lobby

LOL

[spring bough]

oh i hope we see each other now LOL

[spring bough]

1975 mmr and i have a 2097 rated priest that goes 0-6 and last round he blew all his CDs before the match started

i wish people got penalized for crap like that lol

lock commented said the guy was "win trading" first time i heard of that lol

[gleaming pawn]

yeah it's fucking rampant with healers

it's why you'll see a queue pop that never makes it to 5/6 accepted

because it's healers canceling their queue when they don't get matched with their trader

never seen a healer just blow all their CDs in the gates though, that's a new one

usually they just stop playing, or if they are smarter and trying to be stealthy about it, they will just not use CDs/play like shit

[cursive umbra]

so, is this a thing now that all dots make you stand up if youre trying to eat (mage food) in arena? playing RM atm and even if i manage to vanish and run for resets, i cant use the mage food if the target has dots on me

[spring bough]

this dude hit every CD possible right before round 6 started lmao

[gleaming pawn]

had a pally yesterday throw the last 2 rounds

just didn't bother healing the warrior that was dueling the other warrior in the match

and then just sat in the gates after the match started

for the final round

so annoying

[spring bough]

i had one of those earlier healer just mounted up and ran around for round 6 lol

[gleaming pawn]

it's this kind of bullshit that I just can't seem to get away from the 3-3 matches 😦

[spring bough]

its been a 3-3 type of day lol

[jolly sierra]

its outrageous af when the fucking healer neglects the match for their own reasons

btw, thinking in tracking my healer defensives cds on me to make my life easier

so i don't have to use a defensive in that moment

[gleaming pawn]

setup OmniCD, it will show you all of your party's offenseive and/or defensive CDs on your party frames

makes it easy to see what they have used already

[spring bough]

healers should be rocking that too lol. so many times ive hit evasion or cloak and had a bubble hit me right after like RIP

[gleaming pawn]

super helpful as a healer for instance, when trying to make sure you don't overlap defensives

[stoic spruce]

That's the worst

Only thing worse than that is when it later comes to bite you in the ass and you lose over it

[jolly sierra]

nah omnicd is ass at least for me

ending uninstalling it

cuz bugged constantly

[spring bough]

yeah like when u get stun locked off the bat, think the healers gonna save so you dont trinket, and a second later youre dead LOL

[jolly sierra]

yeah those fuckers expect YOU using ur shit at 1st

after some rating

[gleaming pawn]

that's weird, only issue I have ever had with OmniCD was when I first installed it, it would not show up. Had to "reset to default" to get it to work

but then again Panda, you have a lot of problems with your addons lol

[spring bough]

and they be all like "why didnt you trinket" uhh idk cause u can get me out? lmao

[jolly sierra]

ah agree too, i replaced one of the troublesome already

lol

[jolly sierra]

trINkEt??????

[languid ravine]

wait what, didnt patch notes literally say +5% to autos and abilities?

is Outlaw doing anything else other than autos and abilities 😄

[gleaming pawn]

yes but that doesn't translate to an actual % increase overall

[jolly sierra]

lets see wtf are healers using as defensives

[gleaming pawn]

even when we got the 10% aura buff, it only came out to ~5% actual increase

that's just how the jank ass mechanics come out to

[languid ravine]

I dont know what you did during 5th grade but that LITERALLY translates to an actual 5% increase

[gleaming pawn]

per the PvE sims

[languid ravine]

there must be some hidden factor if that is true what you say

[tawny kestrel]

pve sims include trinkets / rings and other piss

[gleaming pawn]

if a 10% aura buff comes out to ~5% increase in pve patchwork perfect world sims, you can be damn sure it's even less in a pvp environment

[gleaming pawn]

also yes, there is a tangled web of shit that goes into the actual damage you do especially in pvp

[languid ravine]

it doesnt matter, if you multiply any number of stuff by 105%, you always end up with 5% gain

stuff like agi/stat procs should be a multiplier too far as I know

so that leaves only stuff like Shadowflame wreathe or cumboots that are not affected by aura buff

[gleaming pawn]

except abilties and damage are not calculted in flat amounts, and buffing X abilities by 5% ends up being % of a %

please feel free to go talk to the experts in general or Outlaw, they can explain it far better than I can right now

[spring bough]

zac has pinned it "its about a 3/4% gain". i dont see why it would be any higher in pvp vs pve but there is a reason why its less hes explained it in the outlaw channel before

[gleaming pawn]

exactly

[languid ravine]

reasons such as... on use trinkets and procs from items?

[tawny kestrel]

it was that little because onyx annulet got nerfed at the same time

[spring bough]

we use an on use trinket in pvp

[gleaming pawn]

I'm not just talking about the annulet/10%

it's just in general

[tawny kestrel]

well flat % buffs are always going to be better in pvp than pve

no trinkets that do damage in pvp

[gleaming pawn]

calculating overall damage is not as simple as buff ability damage 5% you go up 5% overall

[languid ravine]

no its literally as simple as that assuming there is NO flat (read +/-) added damage from e.g. trinkets or enchant procs etc

[tawny kestrel]

i think for pvp where there arent really any external factors involved when it comes to your damage

aura buffs are pretty much just what they are

[minor relic]

hey fellow rogues, finally pplaying solo shuffle, is there a recommended build ? i'm going with the normal gloomblade that i use for RBGs

[jolly sierra]

alright think i did it

put all possible defensives over me to be tracked

even the bad ending ray of hope

still think i need roar of sacrifice and intervene

[surreal barn]

Esperanza

That’s some good mellow mushroom salad dressing

[jolly sierra]

esperanza

the only thing i tracked in my last SS was a earth wall totem

cuz they used the defensives in the other dps it seems

[potent pivot]

There’s a few listed in #pvp-faq

[jolly sierra]

got a leaver

disgusting

alright third and last one w monk

else i go warr

fucking leaver lock

[surreal barn]

Stick to monk before they get nerfed

You have the enchant yet?

[jolly sierra]

nope

but i got bored

got a fucker which dced

this time

so im going warr

[surreal barn]

Why not rogue 🗡️

The most powerful of them all

[jolly sierra]

cuz i will get blasted in the asshole

[jolly sierra]

now got a match w a healer which tilted cuz nobody interrupted MC in his round against me and let himself be killed

cmon

next match if i got a leaver or a feeder im leaving this shit for today

[jolly sierra]

another leaver

this time an assa

[gleaming pawn]

I think it's time you went MW Monk or Holy Pally 🙂

be the change you want to see in the world, and all that

I'd say holy priest or resto druid, but I wouldn't wish that shit on my worst enemy

[west bolt]

how come the sin faq recommends exsang

even tho its bugged

is it still worth playing for pvp?

[potent pivot]

it's still a decent extra button to have

even when it was speeding up the dot ticks you'd still press it without using DM sometimes

but it's really just preference, taking exsang/not taking it isn't going to be a game-changing decision at all tbh

[west bolt]

what does executing on someone look like in terms of like opener

do you care about snd?

[jolly sierra]

fuck those puny healers

i wanna harm ppl

[surreal barn]

2050 to 1938 in 2 games on the alt

Lul

Am I drunk I don’t feel drunk

[west bolt]

well did you drink?

[surreal barn]

I must have

I got the worst luck on this undead

[jolly sierra]

full set for my warrior

im completing my collection

now im a fucking juggernaught

[gleaming pawn]

that, is not a good looking set on a panda

[jolly sierra]

relax just remove the helm and u are good

[gleaming pawn]

the legs are a little too stubby short imo

in addition to the helm 🙂

[jolly sierra]

well anyways

the set is done

and my plan is almost done

[gleaming pawn]

which caster are you going with next, for a challenge

melee is clearly too easy

[jolly sierra]

park every char at 1k8 i have

lock tho, but i hate casters

the main plan is 2k1

[languid ravine]

queue twice -> healers are -300 CR -> sit in HoJ for 6 seconds straight multiple times

[jolly sierra]

ah yeah one leaver i had

started screeching cuz nobody interrupted the MC over him

so when i matched w him i got the grudge

[languid ravine]

is shuffle dead again?

number of wacky lobbies and leavers is very sus lately

[jolly sierra]

a little

i needed to insist a little to get a match where nobody leaves

even lose rating w that assa leaving after 1st round

xd

[languid ravine]

hmm but its usually -5 or something

[jolly sierra]

got a -2 but still REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

cuz the queue time

try a last time, i know u are in EU w me

else try tomorrow

[languid ravine]

thoughts?

hmm energy is really rough if you dont get those rolls up :/

I wish Count the Odds would work with Cheap Shot

yeah scrap that build, I m more energy starved than some random guy lost in the desert

its actually pathetic

[jolly sierra]

just did a 1v1 against a BM monk

god was boring af, literal i needed to wait till damp raised

slutmog spotted
slutmog spotted

[stoic spruce]

Spotted

Spotted

NoooWOP

noooWOP

noooWOP

[minor cape]

he made the slutiest mog at the cost of it also being the ugliest

hero.

or a villain?

[jolly sierra]

antihero

he sacrified for us doing so ugly xmog and get into pvp w it

[wanton breach]

are you going for all classes at 1800 panda?

[minor cape]

i can't imagine panda on a lock or a mage

[minor cape]

with mage it's probably sub

not probably, idk if you can play with a mage in 2s on not sub

sounds impossible

if with healer both good

with healer in 2s or in 3v3 yes

[marble oasis]

yeh rogue mage is fine. it's not as broken as it used to be but still decent

[bold bison]

I just want to get fucking 1800 so I can recraft my gear back to PvE and never touch this rancid PvP meta, so i claw my way up to 1799 by scraping a 4-2 from lobbies full of DR trolling idiots THREE SEPERATE TIMES and every time my 1800 game is a fucking 0-6

I'm so fuck of this dogshit game

should have just played when SecTec was doing 300k

how the fuck do these apes know to press disarm, stun, fear the split second I press Shadowdance, but they also like to just randomly throw a triple DR stormbolt on the healer when we have no pressure

[wary spire]

I get how you feel man.

Nothing makes me as madge as this game does.

[obsidian pulsar]

Weakauras !

The game is not a game anymore it’s a weakaura game u see dance symbol u press stun/fear/disarm on rogue

[torn stump]

I think is easy to 2100, you need addions and some macro.

[obsidian pulsar]

2100 is doable but u have to know when to burst

[torn stump]

and when to def.

[obsidian pulsar]

Watch drs ur own drs- can u get peeled ? Yes or no? Which players can u cover

Like rogue is prob the most class u have to be aware what u do and when and how

Because it’s melee and can get easily shut down by 1 button

But if u want to just hit 1800

@bold bison I would suggest u just go assa aoe build and do dmg

Up to 1800 there’s no need to learn all that sub stuff

[surreal barn]

Seems 150 subs in shuffle 2100 and higher atm this late in the season (NA)

Is that still deflated or pretty norm

[bold bison]

I played Sub and Assa to 2.4k in actual 3s during SL, I’m a bit rusty because I haven’t PvPed since season 1 of DF

No one swaps when you swap, everyone randomly presses their CC between goes so the healer in on DR when it’s time, people die within the first minute of games, healers can’t heal passive damage outside of CDs

The quality of the EU ladder with squashed MMR is so inconsistent

I’ve gone from 6-0 lobbies into 0-6 lobbies

Just wanted to vent

Like how is it possible that you get a full kidney blind sap dance Sec Tec go on an ele shaman who doesn’t have burrow, but an Arms warrior can’t do enough additional damage during that time to finish the game

[torn stump]

At the beginning, I mistook your name for neilyo...

[torn stump]

what's your sub and assa talent, and which team combination easy to 2400?

[surreal barn]

@cobalt pewter said arms wars were given pool noodles for the summer

[minor cape]

thats my shuff experience a lot of the time lol

[cobalt pewter]

buff arms

[distant palm]

Hey guys, I am new to sub. Does it make sense to macro Shadow Blades + Shadow Dance and Symbols of Death + Cold Blood + Technique?

or is this just bad practice

playing the rotten build

[surreal barn]

No

You want symbols separate so you can get two rottens in your dance window - one from the 2pc set and other from skill

[distant palm]

Alright, thank you!

[bold bison]

purely for DPS purposes you want to dance > shadowstrike > finisher > symbols > shadowstrike > finisher

also you should be playing Thief's Bargain so you want to press blades 6 seconds before you burst so you don't have the debuff

[fossil sierra]

i hate going 3/3 and gaining shit lol

[fossil sierra]

any other tips I didnt even think about that haha

[bold bison]

if you kidney the healer before you blind they will drop combat so you can sap off the blind - big CC chain

[fossil sierra]

Idk if im playing wrong or if its just bad rng with shuffles but i dropping like crazy

[languid ravine]

Dance + blades is fine to do

personally I m also doing another macro with symbols, coldblood and sectec

I d even say the second is good practice for sure

[distant palm]

@bold bison @languid ravine Thanks for the input, appreciate it!

[languid ravine]

you definitely want symbols as a standalone button too though

[distant palm]

for sure, I do have it

[fossil sierra]

my sub mmr is fucked lol

[pearl warren]

yes ofc

[void hornet]

really dumb question, but what is the way to get tear? I just got a 70 yesterday and I'm 427, but have 0 tier. I know I can get one piece by getting 1600 (I believe), can I convert honor gear?

[stoic spruce]

No, only conquest.

Free tier though

[languid ravine]

you get two free 450 crafting tokens one medium and one large

[pearl warren]

you can turn conquest gear into tier pieces at the revival? catalyst (idr what they renamed it to)

[languid ravine]

also I always craft ring first because that one cant be duped in weekly vault

[pearl warren]

hes asking about tier pieces tho

[languid ravine]

yea, conquest gear can be turned into set pieces

[void hornet]

ooo where is that at?

[languid ravine]

its going to be in purple chests from pvp

weekly pvp quest guarantees it I think

its a quest item you need to turn in from the trading syndicate thing

crafting shoulders is a safe bet because shoulders tier has crit/haste I believe

[void hornet]

Yea, planning on crafting shoulders first once I get a spark

[surreal barn]

How’s Dorito get to use illidans glaive as xmog in awc

As a monk?

[tawny kestrel]

1 of the glaives is available as mog on TR

think its only off hand

[surreal barn]

Thanks he did it last time and I could never find out 😂

[toxic yarrow]

Funny cause warrior and rogues were the ones who had the weapons first and DH came in legion

[minor cape]

list of things DH took:
-Glaives of azinoth
-Metamorphosis

whats next

😭

[glass bear]

They sacrificed everything, what have you given?

[minor cape]

🤔

they gouge their eyes according to lore

thats rogues job

they took our jobs

our weapons

and warlocks coolest ability after chaos bolt

[languid ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLBCi0V0pEs

[glass bear]

I hate to say it but this aug evoker comp is cringe

and I love feral but . . .

[wanton breach]

kalvish representing outlaw rogues with https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/outlaw/DAPRVQUEBRBKlSJAYEBQPVVBQEUFUVCIRIkQBA

also running double damage proc embellishments on weapons

[gleaming pawn]

I can't wait for Venruki to roll his outlaw and queue solo shuffle and get stomped because it's not the coordinated 3s he's thinking applies to all brackets

[austere thorn]

watch how they'll revert the 5% dmg buff next week cuz outlaw is being picked in the AWC

[visual flume]

[stoic spruce]

Sounds like blizz

[glass bear]

only if whaazz plays it too LUL

[pearl warren]

wonder where he got that idea 🙂

if only someone could have known

outlaw was going to be so good

😔

[languid ravine]

Whew, Boomkin really makes Outlaw look great!
(and so does Kalvish)

[jolly sierra]

no fkn way, just the shit i like lol

(sorry for disappear today i had a yugioh tournament today, ended 3rd lol)

[jolly sierra]

can feel u, sometimes ppl legit trolls ur rounds, or is both the fucker which forgot to use defensives in ur rounds or the sore loser healer which brings the grudge w u

[jolly sierra]

deflated tho, i can say there are less ppl at 2k1 than in s1 overall

[jolly sierra]

my lord got 1k8 w my warr, thank u for the tips

[jolly sierra]

what the, you say one of the BT DH timewalking glaives can be used by all classes?

[cobalt pewter]

[fossil sierra]

its always the fucking gnome mages that rage after one game

hilarious

[jolly sierra]

haha 2 dks

[fossil sierra]

im tilting off the face of the earth with shuffles/2s

get to 1750 and tank in 2s

can't get past 1600 in solo shuffle because of trolls

[jolly sierra]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NN_0abL3WtU&pp=ygUGcHNoZXJv#bottom-sheet

we have a new king

[narrow tangle]

rss sub gameplay feels like coc and ball 4orture most of the times

i like seeing teammate fkin up dr perfectly and attacking incap targets

while you get all kinds of cc in dance, enemy barrier on duel

people are trained to play against rogues but not to play as teammate

[jolly sierra]

ofc ppl is trained to play against rogues if they are like paper

in shuffles

[wanton breach]

Impossible, absolutely noone predicted outlaw to be good

I will be curious for you to share your wisdom with us after the tournament!

[gleaming pawn]

the number of people running the Mes weakaura these days is also crazy. Blasting you with text and audio warnings whenever X big CD is pressed. WA for displaying your buffs/rotational debuffs/CD timers in a better place should be the extent of the addon. It has gotten so egregiously out of hand it's long past absurd

[gleaming pawn]

oh btw, for those that don't troll the pve channels

[torn stump]

Did he say any changes of PVP?

[gleaming pawn]

No just that’s he’s paying attention here as well

I really hope 10.2 ptr has Slice and Dice dying its final death. It should just be a rogue wide passive that increases attack speed, or remove it entirely and increase damage to compensate. There is not a single thing about having to press SnD and waste resources on it, that feels good or even impactful in any type or level of content

[tulip saffron]

how do you get wyrms as pvp player?

[wanton breach]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[minor cape]

my outlaw fellas

whats the current build?

want to play some 2s

[languid ravine]

Try this one if you love keybinds, love Outlaw and hate yourself

erm maybe put that +15 movespeed on the right into weaponmaster

[minor cape]

hmm

so no dance and kir

why thistle tea tho

[languid ravine]

dance kir is still the standard build, but this one pumps hard

because you love keybinds and using them

[torn stump]

I must greatly support you!!!

[minor cape]

how do you KIR

never played that

which buff do i want?

[torn stump]

I think left better than right.

[minor cape]

do i want to like proc all the shit from dispatches

and then kir

[torn stump]

what's kir?

[minor cape]

keept it rolling

[languid ravine]

you spam your 200 apm PvE Rotation with this, spam dispatches as if it was mongoose bite and get huge cooldown reduction from all the combo points flying

[minor cape]

when do i press the button tho

[languid ravine]

not in this build you rarely press cheapshot, maybe if you drop something for subterfuge

[minor cape]

🤪

[languid ravine]

idk probably when you have 2 to 3 good rolls

probably want loaded dice over -30sec blind or Evasion cdr

[minor cape]

kinda like that one more

what do you think about this?

or noone plays that law left side?

[languid ravine]

that one is the standard build for 3s

probably 2s too

[minor cape]

gotcha lol

[torn stump]

blind to +15%speed

[languid ravine]

no way, blind is big value

[torn stump]

+30%speed very nice

or maybe no 5%str

[minor cape]

no way you want to drop blind CD or 5% str

[minor cape]

god damn dudes

outlaw actually pumps

no joke

[torn stump]

Do you watch the match?

[minor cape]

wym

nah im just playing myself

[torn stump]

...

hope you can win

[surreal barn]

You can tell he’s trying not to laugh bc that shit was hilarious

[minor cape]

fellas

whats with this on law

musthave or optional?

[tawny kestrel]

its very good

considering a lot of your damage is ambush/pistol shit

shot

[pearl warren]

🙄

[pearl warren]

can i slap this guys wrist with the ruler

stop giving bad talent advice

bad!

[thick slate]

Boys please slap me with a good solo shuffle sub build for the 1.8-1.9mmr range

every high rogue i see runs something different

BUQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFAAAJAAAAAAAQIJJJSCkIJJQCQSSSSScgCJJNEJlkkAQAAAA

im running this right now

not sure how good it is

if there are better options please lmk

[languid ravine]

looks great

[thick slate]

so i stay with this ?

[languid ravine]

there is one other option for Rottenm you skip the whole dance package to go down gloomblade over to Swift Symbols

but I wouldnt say its better, just different

[thick slate]

i see, thanks

im just looking for the most braindead option tbh

[languid ravine]

wait I would tweak the class tree though

like Subterfuge and Sprint cd are wasted and overkill imo

although you can really only get deadly precision so idk if thats worth much

[thick slate]

i see

[jolly sierra]

i would be laugh inside in his place if a fkn lowbie kills me in my ambushing routine too lol

[spring bough]

playing mugambala against a lock and the lock ported up to the top with 2% left. i turn around full CP BTE for the win. never felt so good lol

[jaunty osprey]

[glass bear]

[jolly sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otu4YIR_k_0

[jaunty osprey]

i wish i had extra sparks to craft weps for outlaw

😦

[jaunty osprey]

whazz w the outlaw in awc

[dim dagger]

arcane outlaw

[jolly sierra]

well, wait 2 more days and u can get 1 spark tho

[jaunty osprey]

been using them on PVE crafted shit 😦

[narrow tangle]

whaazz on outlaw rn

https://tenor.com/view/morpheus-believe-neo-beginning-to-believe-gif-5399492

[minor cape]

holy shit outlaw is pumping

mf is outdamaging uh

[wise breach]

Eh, that's a lot of flurry on pets

[minor cape]

ah yeah true

[glass bear]

[spring bough]

flurry where its at. adding to that MG damage too and hits main target for a bit too

[dusky quartz]

The arcane dream outlaw rmp lol

[jolly sierra]

haha now we have the rog tier list updated

now assa is the worst between al 3

kek

realz buff our survivability pls ty

[gleaming pawn]

we'll know the end times are truly coming if Pika is running Outlaw today too

[pale storm]

huge Whaaz plays

[narrow tangle]

it feels like he could perform better with assa or sub

he is just too good

[glass bear]

don't sleep on assa drake and prev are running it and will (more than likely) beat most of the teams

[pale storm]

yeah assa in 3s is nice rn

[dim dagger]

i like how on this match they are focusin the boomkin and rogue is just dying to cleave

ye ok breath of the eons on 3

[minor cape]

thats why its called cleave duh

🤪

[obsidian rain]

i arrived

[glass bear]

[dusky quartz]

i think assa got relegated to worst spec status after all those outlaw aura buffs

[languid ravine]

is it really the aura buffs or is it the influx of holypal and just being a worse feral druid

[dusky quartz]

yea that too

[languid ravine]

maybe the unholy buffs play a part too

[minor cape]

idk im mostly a sub guy and got annihilated by an outlaw rogue today (tbh i just played badly) so decided to play some outlaw

and im playing and like wtf, last time i checked it hit like a wet noodle

and now its some good dam

🤔🤔

not insane but good

[dusky quartz]

iirc it got a 10% buff into another 5% buff

[minor cape]

and it doesnt die

[languid ravine]

did you have honour gear the last time?

[minor cape]

nop

it was s1 i think

and i played in my sub gear

rn sub gear is same minus 2 set so yeah

prolly that

[languid ravine]

its definitely not the 2set

[minor cape]

whats up with double axes tho? why everyone runs those?

and its 447 axes

[desert sluice]

I can't watch, are outlaw rogues running tier? I've gotten to 1975 pre buffs in 2s but had to learn to almost never gouge the person I attack lol

Thank god for @focus macros

[minor cape]

nah, i meant that sub gear is same as outlaws except sub wears 2set and law doesnt (also weapon diff obviously)

but maybe im wrong idk

[dim dagger]

oh no liquid caught up that rogue is paper vs dk

[desert sluice]

I just run 4pc idk

Saw most on the ladder do it but back then the highest outlaw was like just below 2k lol

[languid ravine]

what even is 4pc? 5% agi and a (very) slightly more frontloaded damage profile?

cant remember

[desert sluice]

Think it's 2.5% in pvp

[steep loom]

2pc is 5% of your damage duplicated over 8 secs.
4pc is all current 2pc dots explode for like 100-200% of the damage they have remaining and buff you for 5% agi. Lowered in pvp

[desert sluice]

Shitty lil dot that breaks gouge for fun cuz blizz never bothered

[steep loom]

I dont even run 2pc. Unless it's arena against another rogue

[languid ravine]

2pc is 1.5% in Arenas

and you can see it in Details it is always 1.5%

still better than nothing but its a joke compared to other classes set bonus

[desert sluice]

Meant agi

Tooltip updates numbers when you hit pvp dummy

I go off that even if it's false at times (rarely but can happen)

[languid ravine]

yeah so maybe its 2.5% more dps? at the cost of having haste or crit in two slots so it might still be worth running 4set idk

[desert sluice]

Eh tbh it helped me, idk if I would have started using focus macro this early without it

[dim dagger]

in all the games they have almost killed or killed the rogue but still go for the druid all the time hmm

[gleaming pawn]

yeah it's bizarre, outlaw only has so many outs and he isn't running sporecloak

[dim dagger]

yea that end was metal

[languid ravine]

props to Mes, running a Transmog that synergizes with his Trills Augvoker spell effects

professional stylecheck

[narrow tangle]

whats going on

was outlaw busted all this time

[spring bough]

outlaw >>>

[tawny kestrel]

it was not

it also isnt "busted" its just good

[narrow tangle]

i mean it was constantly mentioned as the worst spec in the game thats why I was so surprised (also happy) to see in awc

[tawny kestrel]

it was never the worst spec in the game

frost dk has been a thing

[queen geyser]

Been playing with this since Tuesday, it kinda pumps (no subterfuge hurts tho)

Blinding Powder > Loaded Dice but if you're in the rat leagues like me, it doesn't matter too much

I've also warmed up to Sepsis

[queen geyser]

Thoughts on Sepsis, big man?

[gleaming pawn]

[pearl warren]

ew

sepsis was only good because of its interactions with assa mastery+conduits; now that both of those are gone….

⚰️

[queen geyser]

Fair enough

[scarlet shell]

Aight so how did Outlaw become from meme to competitively viable

I am gonna be jumping from Sub rogue ship back to outlaw

[potent pivot]

it wasn't really a meme

was just kinda bad in shuffle sppecifically

[scarlet shell]

Idk I hit like a wet noodle in S2 shuffle.

[potent pivot]

yes, shuffle

[scarlet shell]

Maybe now I finally won’t.

[potent pivot]

still kinda will

[tawny kestrel]

its not too bad

lobby dependant

is what it is

[scarlet shell]

Fairs

[pearl warren]

bad outlaw players will still 0-6 shuffle lobbies

(me)

[gleaming pawn]

so many people are about to be duped by the casters overhyping Outlaw in AWC

[tawny kestrel]

its good, more r1 shuffle spots for outlaw

[rotund fulcrum]

Sepsis as assa feels decent in 2s if you’re night elf. Not for the sepsis dam itself but you can have really good uptime of empowered garrotes between sepsis, meld, and vanish. I love bone spike tho just feels great to press lol

[stoic spruce]

I don't want to be THAT guy but even tanks do "just good" damage

[tawny kestrel]

outlaw does quite good damage

considering how much control it has too

[stoic spruce]

So does blood >.>

Speaking of

Isn't vdh the highest tank in arena?

[tawny kestrel]

outlaw does significantly more damage than a tank

[stoic spruce]

I'll keep that in mind next time I get hit with a 200k deathstrikerino

[tawny kestrel]

common issue in here, blame the game rather than just accepting u need to get better

keep it up, u will get far

[stoic spruce]

Well here's the thing

I'm just saying outlaw is just good

If that's blaming the game then yes.

[pearl warren]

feels like you’re trying to downplay the tournament success of outlaw rogue

comparing its damage to that of a tank spec

[stoic spruce]

I'm not watching it

They doing good?

[pearl warren]

yeah somethin like that

[stoic spruce]

Just nice

[jolly sierra]

can we complot against druids to have cyclone nerfed?

as ppl did with blind sap?

[stoic spruce]

No

Because "it has a shorter cast range"

[jolly sierra]

i would prefer a longer casting time instead tbh

unaffected by haste, so they can get fucked

[stoic spruce]

I'd prefer it not exist at all

[jolly sierra]

who doesnt

[pearl warren]

idm clone

[stoic spruce]

Druids and apologists

[pearl warren]

raises hand

[jolly sierra]

ª

[pearl warren]

i just kill them for trying to clone me

have u tried that

[jolly sierra]

yeah, i got stunned and cycloned

[pearl warren]

but bash has a long cd

[jolly sierra]

well

sometimes i dont get cycloned so i can interrupt

but some moment is just bash cyclone

tbh i hate that shit in shuffle too

when im bursting and the guy cyclones my target

REEEEEEEEE

so yeah i hate cyclones for a lot of reasons

[surreal barn]

I’m currently having a problem climbing @ 2.1k shuffle vs the Druid survival hunt combo

[stoic spruce]

It's also not dispellable

[jolly sierra]

cant u mass dispell it?

[pearl warren]

yes

[jolly sierra]

nice

hope ppl become aware of that

[halcyon timber]

Need priests to actually use it first to be dispelled heh

[shut solstice]

Boys… I feel a disturbance in the force.

Is outlaw back?

After a 5%? I find it hard to believe.

[pearl warren]

sorry i don’t understand your question

[stoic spruce]

SL back? No

Back as in its better?

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-perhaps-family-guy-thinking-gif-13587558

[tawny kestrel]

outlaw is not like it was in SL

[pearl warren]

never will be

[tawny kestrel]

it requires more than 2 braincells to play

[pearl warren]

well

yeah maybe

[tawny kestrel]

definitely harder than in sl

significantly more cc based

[pearl warren]

sl outlaw just felt like 'echoing reprimand' the minigame

[stoic spruce]

That and rtb uptime

Which tbh, with both of those combined, you'd have to be pretty convincing to tell me that sl outlaw was a face roll spec

[tawny kestrel]

it was

sl outlaw was a joke

compared to current outlaw anyway

way harder now

[shut solstice]

By back I mean can I bring a training dummy below 99%

[pearl warren]

agreed

[spring bough]

wtb hotfix for sepsis to get added to restless blades then id use it all the time lmao

[spring bough]

running 2s right now w an auggie and its pretty fun as outlaw lol

had a 209k sepsis lmao

[jolly sierra]

i'm checking graphs

and i see very few assa rogues at 2k1 in SS wtf

in US u have like 37 and in EU 55

[spring bough]

sin is <<<<

[jolly sierra]

dude the amount is small af

[spring bough]

sin needs some ol buffs XD

[jolly sierra]

vs the 620 rets in US and the 550 in EU

or something like that

still is a very small amount for s2 tho

[surreal barn]

Just faced #1 prot war shuffle

Disgusting lol

[spring bough]

did you get whooped? lol

[surreal barn]

He was kicking some ass

[jolly sierra]

wtf

[surreal barn]

Won w him

[jolly sierra]

did he ended 6-0?

[surreal barn]

The dk left after 3rd round when he had a goose egg 0

[jolly sierra]

XD

those sore losers

still recall the assa who left after round 1

no suffering no progress

[surreal barn]

Bodyguard is an insane talent

[jolly sierra]

what does it exactly?

[surreal barn]

I need to try it out

40% dam reduc on anyone you choose for a minute

15 sec cd

[stoic spruce]

1 min duration and a 20 yard range

Is nice if your teammate is melee

Trying to keep up with a mage though 💀

[surreal barn]

I felt immortal

lol

[jolly sierra]

lol i need it as a feint

[stoic spruce]

Tanks have the best pvp talents for a reason

[nova jay]

is 80% mastery good for sub?

Or should I just drop vers and go for 90%+ mast?

[pale storm]

100-110 mastery and 28-31 vers

[nova jay]

how is 100+ possible lol

[pale storm]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/blakezilla

this is 110% mastery 28% vers in pvp

[jolly sierra]

prot spellwarden

damn i felt so well after getting it w ret

[narrow tangle]

I've never tried to understand outlaw rogue, is there a in depth guide or video you guys would like to share

[pale storm]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/wyrmrest-accord/blakezilla

this is 101% mastery and 31% vers in pvp - just missing gem in bracers and crafted belt, so will be more master

[visual flume]

so outlaw back on the menu?

[jolly sierra]

seems like

[fossil sierra]

really? I played a shuffle last night and it fucking blows

master/vers build

like its not terrible but im squishy af

[languid ravine]

try Mage or hunter if you want to know the meaning of squishy

[fossil sierra]

mage isn't squishy lol?

I mean sure if you dont kite and sit still sure but like mage has literally so many buttons to kite with.

[jolly sierra]

the guy from a lot of days ago still harasses me by mail

seems like auto reports doesn't works, so im ticketing this time

this time i told to him

"who? don't recall anything, also gear doesn't break if somebody kills u

P.D.: tell me who repairs ur gear for 6 cooper"

ofc avoiding insults to don't eat a ban lol

blizz report system is shit

[stoic spruce]

what he say?

[jolly sierra]

here 6 coppers to repair your gear u whiny (1st one)
replied: who?

the one which killed u all the time and u called a pig so u can use the coins to repair the damage u whiny
replied:
who? btw players cant break your gear

P.D.: where do you repair the gear for 6 cooper? tell me the place

[stoic spruce]

wow rood

if you play sub fuck you

youre lower than dirt

I will not budge on this stance

[jolly sierra]

was a MM hunter

doing MM shit

so u went w my ret after killing the guy i was on went to and 1 shotted him

after that whispered me if i called him pig and i said yes then he spammed the shit out of insults that day lol

[stoic spruce]

rippp

what a coward

[jolly sierra]

yeah, he was mad af if he started mailing later

so i just ticketed this time, its way too much

[stoic spruce]

tbf I do it too

but I dont start it

you aint talking shit to me and then ignoring me

[jolly sierra]

the coward move

or "nobody is online named X"

the worst thing imo about this guy is than he has no record in rated pvp and went all the way bragging than killed me when i was the one killing him by 1 shot lol

(he never killed me btw)

[halcyon timber]

Flush the turd down the bowl

[pearl warren]

we all play the same class bro, we are on the same team

(i dislike playing sub in pvp, for reference)

[stoic spruce]

I am not on the same team as them

[pearl warren]

ur loss

[last jasper]

the fuck wrong with sub in wpvp?

[marble oasis]

Imagine being this cult cringe about a spec on a class you play 😂
Must be a skill issue.

[stoic spruce]

I never mentioned wpvp

Just sub in general

[pearl warren]

your take sucks lil bro

go next

[teal imp]

hello i have a kind of dumb question. what has les buttons assa or outlaw? i want to come back but my boomer brain cant handle much

[stoic spruce]

Sub sucks

[pearl warren]

assa

[teal imp]

ty! 🙂

[pearl warren]

apply your bleeds and don’t die 🙂

[sour charm]

The rework will make assa great again

[torn stump]

Do you know how to rework assa?

[jolly sierra]

i know dmg is ok

[sour charm]

Easy, just make it good 🙂

[pearl warren]

4Head

[torn stump]

anything in detail?

[sour charm]

Tbh I'd be happy with some defensive buffs and a bit more kill pressure on Assa. I had fun playing Arterial Precision just for a big shiv modifier before

I doubt they will change the entire dmg profile to be more muti/ambush/envenom heavy. But right now it just lacks the burst to finish something off before damp.

(I also really dislike the spread bleeds with CT playstyle but that might just be a personal thing. Assa always felt more ST oriented to me.)

Sepsis giving garrote silence would also be nice.
Dragon Tempered being a core talent could be something, feels very thematic. If it was, they could balance kingsbane around it because currently why would you ever pick bane?
Then the typical stuff about Deathmark being a bad CD and so on, think everyone is more than well aware of that

[surreal barn]

Envenom applies 3 second debuff making poisons undispellable

Could be fun

[sour charm]

Wouldn't protect Deathmark.

[pearl warren]

this is interesting

[surreal barn]

Hpal won’t always be meta

[pearl warren]

I’d be down to bake a mini xsang into evenom

similar to what sp has with dp atm

[sour charm]

Xsang needs something

probably removal imo

[pearl warren]

but only on the target of your envenom

[pearl warren]

total redesign

[sour charm]

just feels bad to press even ignoring the bugged interaction

[pearl warren]

yeah

making dots tick fast is cool

making dots tick fast once every 3m on global

is less cool

[sour charm]

Î mean, what do we have that isn't on global

[pearl warren]

tea

tricks

ig those r just

[sour charm]

TRUE

[pearl warren]

rogue talents tho

[sour charm]

MFD 🙂

[pearl warren]

these are all in rogue tree tbf

[sour charm]

Aye. Personally I wish Assa would get its "Healer-Killer" niche.

Obviously in s1 it was overtuned with wound stacking + hemotoxin

But I feel like it would fit its class fantasy

Playing Ghetto Feral just isn't it

[pearl warren]

all I’d like to see for assassin is making mutilate feel important again, and adding functionality to envenom (super bland atm imo)

mutilate is laughable and you almost never actually have time for envenom

[sour charm]

Envenom is just another upkeep buff

[pearl warren]

yeah and even then it doesn’t feel rewarding to upkeep

(in pvp)

[sour charm]

Also both dashing scoundrel and Seal Fate feel bad because crit is such a bad stat in pvp

granted this is a smaller problem

But the difference in how "smooth" the spec feels in pvp and pve

is massive

[pearl warren]

that ties more into an uptime issue

assa can’t really play in melee and auto attack because you die

[sour charm]

Yeah but how do you fix that without giving Assa what Sub has

Which would be less oppressive on Assa, but still a bad idea.

[pearl warren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

not my job

[sour charm]

You could just push Assas dmg through the roof. The WW kind of balancing

"oh you are paper but you do massive damage"

Which we had in S1 and that was clearly not welcome by the community

also rewarded just zug zug playstyle

[pearl warren]

ehhhhh

the problems in s1 were largely tied to numbing poison

not damage

especially at the high end

[sour charm]

True

Which now also doesn't really exist

[pearl warren]

assa’s healing reduction is pretty laughably underwhelming too

[sour charm]

It is worse than fury

[pearl warren]

yeah but I think that’s ok

[sour charm]

Turning Hemotoxin into Sharpen would "fix" that

but that feels cheap

[pearl warren]

yeah lazy

I’d like it better if shiv made wound better

rather than had its own independent Ms

[sour charm]

also make Deadly a passive

that applies on every poison

so we can play wound + amp if we want to

[pearl warren]

pressing shiv for 30% ms then going afk until the next one isn’t fun

[sour charm]

But you have T W O

[pearl warren]

you have two at the start of the game

and for the rest of the game are waiting for your charge to come back

[sour charm]

thats why you run to the pillar after tripple garroting

Jokes aside

[pearl warren]

yep

60% of assa dmg is bleeds

[sour charm]

If we talk about an actual full rework (which I dont think we are getting)

[pearl warren]

i believe we are

[sour charm]

Assa needs its execute phase and ambush procs baseline

I also want big envenoms

[pearl warren]

i don’t like ambush as assa tbh

[sour charm]

fuck it, make DFA baseline

[pearl warren]

doesn’t feel like it fits to me

[sour charm]

Ambush or DFA

[pearl warren]

dfa still exists but it’s purely for the iframe

very good talent when you can fit it and use it correctly

dfa-ing storm bolt and sweep is 👌

[sour charm]

yeah its fun

But our PvP talents feel fairly crowded already

[pearl warren]

yeah

[sour charm]

sure they are talents and the idea is you donÄt get every single one

[pearl warren]

i think outlaw has it worse

as assa it feels like there are only 4-5 options

probably less now with maneuverability being essentially removed

[sour charm]

Idk if I would consider Hemo an option anymore either

its basically Cloak, disarm, bomb and DFA

[pearl warren]

nah hemo is an option

[sour charm]

System shock doesn't do enough, neither does creeping

[pearl warren]

are u online atm

can u hit a target dummy for me

[sour charm]

I am in stealth in a wintersgrasp 🙂

[pearl warren]

i wanna show u something

go to a target dummy then lmk

[sour charm]

pvp or reg

[pearl warren]

ill explain why hemo is mandatory

doesn’t matter

[sour charm]

It still stacks multiplicative with wound correct?

[pearl warren]

don’t believe so

it’s less fun than that

it’s a bug I’ve been trying to get fixed since beta

but now i just kinda accept it

[sour charm]

out of this bg in 5 min

[pearl warren]

u could do it on a vehicle or a player too

apply 5 stacks of wound then press poisoned knife

and watch what happens

they fixed it for half a patch then it broke again the next one

[sour charm]

yeah knife resets it

[pearl warren]

complained to a few people then gave up

[sour charm]

But why does that make hemo mandatory

[pearl warren]

bc if someone gets away from you

your wound is gone

it’s just undispellable improved wound

in real games it’s unfortunately mandatory

bc of how important poisoned knife is as a utility button

to reapply slow from range

or keep a healer in combat

or pushback a cast and apply numbing poison

or remove deadly so gouge won’t break

i used to rant in bfa about how stupid it felt to have more poisoned knife casts in a game than mutilate casts

[sour charm]

Imo removing hemo and baking a wound buff into shiv itself would be very nice

Shiv could boost poisons and give dispel protection

And while I aghree that knife resetting wound is bad and should be fixed, it only makes hemo mandatory in some use cases

basically: I like smokebomb and disarm and am too stubborn to change

(I also don't play enough arena to judge how often you use knife for cast pushback in a situation where not dropping your MS ther eis a gamechanger)

[pearl warren]

ive extended cyclone casts long enough for kick to come off cd

or step

every second counts

[sour charm]

Oh yeah I don't disagree with the usecase. Just that I don't think its "mandatory" into every comp.

[pearl warren]

yeah fair enough

an improved ms effect (imo) will always be mandatory

[sour charm]

So baking it into Wound on Shiv might be the best option?

If you, and other higher rated assas, consider it 100% mandatory

[pearl warren]

most tourney rogues don’t have this discord, to my knowledge

the 2 i talk to the most are Drake and kalv

i linked lil bro the cord but I mean

lil bro is easily distracted (he’s 17)

i won’t ping either of them until awc grand finals are over tho

but im psure hemo is and will remain an auto pick

just bc it’s fairly easy to predict when you’d like an increase in healing reduction (usually when enemy healer leaves cc)

(frenzied regeneration)

[sour charm]

Do you think that is an issue with Shiv in general atm?
That is has two different usecases.

If you play Hemo, you want to shiv when the healer is free

But you also want to have shiv up for the nature dmg boost

[pearl warren]

what nature dmg

[sour charm]

True.

[pearl warren]

60% of our dmg is bleeds

🤡

[sour charm]

But from a design perspective

Shiv is supposed to amp your damage

[pearl warren]

(the clown is @ the design)

yeah

counterintuitive

i agree

just feels sad to play

[sour charm]

Thats why I like "big Shiv"

so its just pure dmg amp

not like that helps a lot

but I am coping it does

[pearl warren]

yeah i liked arterial precision too

but there are too many solid consistent dmg options on the right side of the tree

[sour charm]

I also like having an execute phase

But as long as the left side just does less dps

its never really worth picking

Unless you play something with percision and carnage

but 5v5 is dead

[pearl warren]

yeah for very good reasons imo

(my first titles were from 5s, would not recommend)

assa is fun in rbg when it’s playable

but in rbg you’re just a base bitch

(play sub and spin your node)

[torn stump]

what's DFA?

[sour charm]

Death From Above

PvP talent

I was mostly joking about it being baseline

the Iframes on it would likely break a lot of PvE encounters

[pearl warren]

ya 100%

I’d think it’d be fun tho

[sour charm]

Yeah sitting bases as Assa is basically feeding in rbgs

[pearl warren]

it actually isn’t atm

bc of the nice fun tier interaction

remember how rupture keeps breaking your stealth?

[sour charm]

Compared to sub?

[pearl warren]

guess what else it stops

[sour charm]

caps

Since its a direct attack

[pearl warren]

drinks

yep

mfd rupture

30s of spins

mfd ct

aoe spin

[torn stump]

what's ambush procs baseline mean?

[sour charm]

Blindside

in the talent tree

Imo it just makes the rotation less stale

[pearl warren]

I’d be down for that