that was cool
#pvp
pearl warren
wanton breach
that was fun
pearl warren
i can hear chanimal cackling with 90% haste from here
wanton breach
perma root
pearl warren
yeah
and for context
my dislike for said shaman player started in wod
where i watched him looking at ladder instructing his viewers to mass report me
got a fun 3 day slapstick ban
wanton breach
that's hella toxic
potent pivot
i can hear chanimal cackling with 90% haste from here
pearl warren
the blizzcon champion?
toxic?
never
hasn’t ever happened in history actually
can’t think of a single time /s
wanton breach
No wow pvper has ever been toxic
true fact
pearl warren
would have won hots blizzcon if they didn’t cancel
wanton breach
there is no such thing as hots, don't lie to me
pearl warren
i even went out of my way to eliminate the ex NA champs from hgc
check the vods
psure my interview is the last part
right before they cancelled the esport I spent 3 years trying to become a professional in
too bad!
shook k1pros hand at the con and told him I’d take him out
then i did
wanton breach
err what's hgc?
pearl warren
heroes global championship
ex blizzard esport
the moba
had so much potential to be the best moba
coulda passed riot
wanton breach
shook k1pros hand at the con and told him I’d take him out
wanton breach
had so much potential to be the best moba
true but now it's ded
pearl warren
well I told k1
watching his gameplay made me a good player
and said he’ll play against me soon
then he did
and lost the bo7
miss him
he was so fun to play against
also zuna was on that team
that guy was cracked
competition is supposed to include friendly banter
sensitivity check on whether or not you’re in your opponents head (i am)
players like myself have consistent easy to spot life stories/backgrounds
the giveaway for me was all the people who’d try to speak over me if they were wrong
took note of all those players for future
and shoooooey do they own now
all i had to do was lie and say every game was my fault
bit of a depressing sympathy training arc tho but all good
we press on
sorry rambled again
not a good thought organizer
harsh steppe
maybe i should switch to nelf 🧐
pearl warren
what spec are you most interested in playing
languid ravine
team can someone fling me a "healer in CC" weakaura please
one that shows the me the icon of the spell disabling him preferably
pearl warren
haha.
pearl warren
team can someone fling me a "healer in CC" weakaura please
have that on my wago page if you just type nessper
might be missing a few things or maybe some outdated spell ids
ill check the next time my healer is in cc
fossil sierra
is it worth using the conquest trophies for gear? i see some people having 424 ilvl gear still?
pearl warren
I’ll get up and look gimme 10
wanton breach
team can someone fling me a "healer in CC" weakaura please
languid ravine
preem
wanton breach
what spec are you most interested in playing
don't think nightelf is wrong in any case
other specs just have viable benefits
pearl warren
true
fossil sierra
is vision projectors worth crafting or should i do the lifebound cap?
pearl warren
“wrong” doesn’t seem like the best word
wanton breach
bad then
pearl warren
but it’s definitely not the best race for all three
assa nelf outlaw dwarf/orc sub dwarf/orc
wanton breach
well the context for which race is best might matter as well
I sincerely wish, races were just a visual thing and the racials would work like a glyph system
pearl warren
nvm orc exist to counter rogue everything is fine
wanton breach
is the dwarven 2% crit damage decreased in pvp? how does it interact with the reduced crit damage in pvp modifier? @pearl warren
pearl warren
additional
almost positive
haven’t extensively tested but if the code is anything like pre df
wanton breach
hmm, that and lethality might make outlaw a bit stronger
wanton breach
pearl warren
base crit mod 200% in pve i believe, reduced by 50% then add lethality (20%) crit dmg to generators only
and you have 152% crit dmg base along with 172% generator crit dmg
pearl warren
i mean there’s no way crit damage is still multiplicative
was lethality crit mod altered or is it calculated before the pvp reduction
so inconsistent
me
im inconsistent
solved
wanton breach
maybe you should catch some sleep
pearl warren
ah
found the error
good comms
yeah i would if i wasn’t melting alive in here with the sun in my face
wanton breach
pearl warren
pretty difficult to fall asleep when my avg room temp is usually around 90f
my pc has been off for like 10 hours too
just melting for fun
ah ok
wanton breach
here i thought canada was all maple trees, moose knuckles and cold
pearl warren
i live next to a lake and the sun rises at 6am
pearl warren
yeah
love me some swamp
where i live is same latitude as norcal
most of the American east/west coast is further north
wanton breach
well, gotta keep it cool so you can sleep. maybe invest in an AC if you got the money for it
or blinds at least
pearl warren
have blinds, corner room issue
old thin walls
matches outdoor temp no matter what i do
owns in the winter
wanton breach
hot summers and freezing winters
wanton breach
pearl warren
YEP
wanton breach
have you considered moving into a cave or a salt mine
I can't even imagine playing pvp in a blanket, my body overheats from the stress by default
pearl warren
oh i don’t even notice while im playing
one track mind
need to write down reminders to eat and sleep or i forget
wanton breach
that kind of hyperfocus is a double edged blade
pearl warren
you have no idea
brain never stops so my crack doctor prescribed some of the most addictive sleeping aid I’ve ever seen
(it didn’t work it just melted my mind)
finding other players with similar mindsets is always cool tho
wanton breach
we are getting a bit side tracked, sent you a dm though
potent pivot
(it didn’t work it just melted my mind)
No sleep inducing medication is good in my experience
I’m an insomniac and anything I’ve ever been given was trash for the brain
potent pivot
Use up all your energy working or working out
minor cape
at that point i become tired to the point i cant
lol
just feel super super tired but cant sleep anyway
pearl warren
remember to eat
minor cape
beer does help to sleep tho, just not a quality sleep
waxen meteor
Yeah if you hang over that doesn't count
minor cape
nah like one beer and go to bed
waxen meteor
think that's alright
minor cape
weed was super good for that but dont do that shit anymore 
waxen meteor
I had a major health issue in June, started to monitor all these things just recently
minor cape
hm
never thought diet actually somehow
affects sleep
unless you drink 9 red bulls
a day
dark kernel
So I just hit 1800 last night in shuffle and immediately got my shit pushed in. Disarm/fear/stun on every single shadow dance. Is our only answer to this shit to rely on our healer and spam shurriken to get next dance?
waxen meteor
like if you eat 2 burgers before you sleep, you won't fall asleep
that's kinda extreme example but you got the idea
minor cape
ye
waxen meteor
suger high and feel too full
minor cape
So I just hit 1800 last night in shuffle and immediately got my shit pushed in. ...
more kidneys and gouges and cheaps
pale storm
So I just hit 1800 last night in shuffle and immediately got my shit pushed in. ...
cross CC on your go
minor cape
this
dark kernel
I can't cross CC healer and both DPS or I lose so much energy.
dark kernel
Pool energy kidney healer step KT and cs both OT and KT into rotten SS secret tech?
minor cape
cheapshot barely costs anything, kidney gives full refund
waxen meteor
I can't cross CC healer and both DPS or I lose so much energy.
I guess we don't need to over do it
waxen meteor
it's not like after your go, you spend all energy and moving to do only cc
minor cape
you dont have to cross cc an ench shaman chasing your mage on the other side of the map lol
dark kernel
I'll try landing it on everyone. But depending on positioning it's just rough
dark kernel
I usually save duel for guaranteed kills or to duel healer for chain
waxen meteor
I usually save duel for guaranteed kills or to duel healer for chain
that's surely great
but if your teammate dies,, you lose anyway
minor cape
im your mmr too btw, never noticed that people would actually not let a single dance slide
i can totally do a go even in worst cc situations
maybe you had an unlucky shuff lobby y know
dark kernel
Ehh it was ret/war/spriest.
minor cape
yeah totally
waxen meteor
Ehh it was ret/war/spriest.
Against ret it's always hard
but since SP is there with you for two rounds, it's not a bad lobby
dark kernel
but since SP is there with you for two rounds, it's not a bad lobby
I did pretty bad with the spriest sadly. Ret and fury both seem bad targets. I prefer killing ret over fury but there's so many stops. Fury touching me feels bad.
waxen meteor
Well if fury and ret go at you, sp is free casting
I would try to kill ret as well in sp/rogue vs ret/fury game
SP dispel bubble too
jaunty osprey
I can't cross CC healer and both DPS or I lose so much energy.
also, you get a free symbols of death worth of energy when you dance
so you should never be energy starved on your go
dark kernel
also, you get a free symbols of death worth of energy when you dance
You need about 70 energy pooled to KS dance CS x2 SS and CB secret Tech
Or else you'll break your stun lock
It's not hard but it does give the enemy time.
Or at least enough to cap, realized that would be over cap,
jaunty osprey
are you not running first dance
potent pivot
never thought diet actually somehow
You’d be surprised
jaunty osprey
just go to the dummies and try the rotation you said
potent pivot
“There's a connection between nutrition and sleep.
For example, diets low in fiber and high in saturated fat may decrease the amount of deep, restorative sleep you'll get. Excess sugar can cause you to awaken more frequently. Consuming certain foods and beverages close to bedtime can also lead to poor sleep.”
jaunty osprey
I literally finish with 80 energy after doing exactly what you said
remember, you get a free symbols when you press shadow dance
you also should probably have your actual symbols cd up during your dance window
fossil sierra
the claws have speed is it worth over tokens?
fossil sierra
ah so no haha
jaunty osprey
only works from enchants/gem
glad garnet
do people go mh first or tier pieces?
jaunty osprey
MH first then 2 set asap
wanton breach
jolly sierra
wtf u are back
harsh steppe
i've been playing just haven't been on disc
nothing to report lol
wbu how's the climb
sturdy canopy
What build Is everyone using for law in shuffle Atm? Tired of getting my cheeks clapped as sin
languid ravine
What build Is everyone using for law in shuffle Atm? Tired of getting my cheeks ...
pretty sure you go Hidden Oppenheimer and Green Ken's Wickers every game
potent pivot
Forums
jaunty osprey
@pearl warren go to sleep
potent pivot
pearl warren
its christmas morning they just added another layer of dmg modifiers to outlaw
jaunty osprey
when are you gonna queue
potent pivot
I’m ready for dinner fan
potent pivot
Fam *
pearl warren
silence
jaunty osprey
🤐
jaunty osprey
hmmm
i need awc to be over already so i can see how nessper plays outlaw
or which of his 3 talent loadouts he uses
the no HO one is interesting
languid ravine
After Patch Killing Spree hits for 60k per cast
WOAOWOOWOWOAWOAOWOWAOOWW
insane thats half a rising sun kick
wanton breach
or which of his 3 talent loadouts he uses
if he actually uses those, maybe they are all a disguise and he has the real talents in a talent addon loadout
jaunty osprey
only other thing I can think of is the KiR build with dreadblades
HMMMM
WHO KNOWS
languid ravine
I love how you get to choose between A: Heal enemy (Killing Spree) or B: kill self (dreadblades) or C: get baited into cleave playstyle
steep loom
I play a kir build without kir. And no dance either lol. I'm up at like 1.9k solo shuffle with it. The build feels like old combat rogue
jaunty osprey
Eh
I think I could get 2400 with any build, but just wanna try to figure out the best one
but I was thinking about the dispatch talent and no KIR
steep loom
Go with a meme build. Then you get even bigger bragging rights
hidden dome
I honestly hope that the guy who gave survival hunter a disarm for pvp gets fired
Like who thinks "let's give the most broken 2v2 spec a disarm aswell"
Surv is always in the top 3 best dps specs for 2v2 every single season and if you look at the top of the leaderboards they are always filled with surv hunters
minor cape
game is not balanced around 2s so
hidden dome
Yes and they should fire the guy who made that choice too
2s is way more fun than SS and 3s
I will never touch 3s no matter what rewards they lock behind it
If they added the 3s rewards to 2s no one would ever touch 3s expect to fool around
or to boost
hidden dome
that is normal
Outlaw is still F tier
trying to push 2.1 with him has been a pain
and the 5% buff is honestly an insult
hidden dome
I'm playing 2s
jaunty osprey
well 2s as outlaw also depends on your partner
hidden dome
I haven't queued a single game shuffle after the paladin patch of season 1
gleaming pawn
in a vacuum/perfect world even, the buffs that went in today were only going to increase outlaw dps by 2-4% depending on HO vs KiR. It was never going to make much of any difference in shuffle
tawny kestrel
youre saying outlaw is f tier in 2s?
last jasper
lmao. outlaw and prot pala lobby
tawny kestrel
outlaw isnt f tier in any bracket
tawny kestrel
outlaw is s tier or a++++++++++ tier in 2s
tawny kestrel
where do u get those stats from
tawny kestrel
u ever thought about the fact that some websites just record whatever spec people log out in?
tawny kestrel
doesnt mean its not good
hidden dome
Well people tend to play OP specs
I see a sub every 3rd or 4th game
same with druid heal and surv hunter
tawny kestrel
sub is also very good
just because something is op in 2s doesnt mean everyone is gonna reroll to it
2s is the most irrelevant / dead it has EVER been
tawny kestrel
yeah cus it was good in every bracket
who the hell rerolls for 2v2 in dragonflight
hidden dome
Idk, like 80% of warrior players
change their spec every second month depending on buffs
tawny kestrel
i mean this is all completely irrelevant to the discussion
outlaw is good
in 2v2
hidden dome
Not sure where you get that from. Check pvp says otherwise, my personal experience above 2k says otherwise
I mean sure, a 3k player with his 3k heal can farm clowns at 2k with outlaw
But that doesn't mean the spec is good
tawny kestrel
outlaw can be good while still being worse than sub
hidden dome
Ye, but outlaw just doesn't feel good right now
tawny kestrel
but it is good
hidden dome
and I have been maining outlaw pvp since legion
hidden dome
Maybe
hidden dome
I mean, if you guys get 2.1 with outlaw in 2s you can send me a screenshot
and maybe I will believe you that outlaw is "strong" this season
tawny kestrel
played it at 2.2+ with random healers from lfg
hidden dome
I'm not sure if I believe you tbh
tawny kestrel
dont really care if you believe me tbh
hidden dome
lol that is what I was saying earlier
hidden dome
I mean sure, a 3k player with his 3k heal can farm clowns at 2k with outlaw
^
even without the 3k heals
tawny kestrel
but i dont play with 3k heals
hidden dome
ye
hidden dome
but you are still playing 1.2k below your rating at 2.2k
hidden dome
Ye sure
Well, this season will still go on atleast 2 months
not sure how it will be 2 months of inflation later
tawny kestrel
which is just wrong
jaunty osprey
you're literally making excuses instead of admitting that you suck
hidden dome
Ye sure it isn't f tier. But after frost dk it is literally the worst spec in 2s
tawny kestrel
hidden dome
like I have an easier time climbing with frost mage, a spec I haven't even played in arena before this season
than I had with outlaw
tawny kestrel
jaunty osprey
Probably both
hidden dome
Listen man, I have no problem agreeing that I suck compared to you in PvP. But I still don't agree that outlaw is good if you are playing against guys of a similar skill, who play actual meta specs
tawny kestrel
im not saying anything other than outlaw is not bad in 2v2
thats all ive been saying
nothing else
jaunty osprey
Just because Frost Mage is easier to play
hidden dome
Outlaw gets fucking clowned on by any good druid heal
jaunty osprey
doesn't make Outlaw f tier
hidden dome
which is literally the best heals in 2s on EU right now
jaunty osprey
A lot of tourney rogues are playing Outlaw in 3s on ladder atm vs other r1s
they're playing vs people of similar skill
hidden dome
I never said anything about 3s
jaunty osprey
it's the same concept
hidden dome
And if I see one outlaw every 150 games then it says something about the spec
jaunty osprey
outlaw isnt f tier
just because there are other specs which have more players or other specs are easier
hidden dome
the only spec I see less than outlaw is frost dk
hidden dome
Yeah I noticed. I have to work 20 times as hard with outlaw to win games than I need with frost mage. But that is not the point
jaunty osprey
people play sub because you can press dance -> cheap -> thistle tea -> sec tech
hidden dome
The point is that outlaws hard counters are literally the most meta specs in 2s
Which makes him f tier by default
Surv Hunter + Rdruid have always been hard match ups for outlaw and they rule 2s this season.
hidden dome
And I'm sure raz with his 3.4k XP farms those comps
jaunty osprey
outlaw has an insane tool kit
hidden dome
Surv just kills your heal
and root spams you
What you gonna do? press vanish and cloak and then die
jaunty osprey
you can gouge him and then kidney him and your healer can get away
you can press vanish
and get it back in 30s
hidden dome
Ye
hidden dome
That is actually a good tip
But even without, he can just root/disarm/stun/trap every burst
jaunty osprey
and
you can gouge, kidney
blind
on their goes too
it's not an impossible matchup like you're making it seem - just gotta use your toolkit properly
listen, outlaw just isnt f tier
as much as you want to believe it
hidden dome
Yes, obviously f tier is an overstatement. it is more like c tier. But it certainly isn't good
Most specs have to do like half the work for double the pay off
And yes, you can beat surv hunters, if you play way better than them. But that is literally true for any spec
No matter the state
stoic spruce
Outlaw isn't unplayable bad but it's not as good as any of the other melee dps specs, CC taken into account. Saying you can get to X rating doesn't matter when people get to said rating on any given spec including tanks.
hidden dome
yes
Before the 8% buff there were literally tanks of every single spec
above the highest outlaw
stoic spruce
I've seen more prot warrs and blood dks at one point
hidden dome
Yes, and just because a Trimax with his infinite XP can go 80% winrate up to 2.4 with outlaw
jolly sierra
think im gonna go WW for push 2k1 in SS
hidden dome
doesn't mean the spec isn't weak
stoic spruce
Go for it bestie
jolly sierra
i need to recall the guy which teached me ww in pvp back
languid ravine
meh WW doesnt do any damage
stoic spruce
.>
languid ravine
for example Rising sun kick ONLY deals the same damage as two Killing Sprees
jolly sierra
but ww is missing
languid ravine
jolly sierra
kek
hidden dome
jolly sierra
yeah lol
i even switched tier slots to raise mastery
went to a skirmish
and did like twice the dmg than my comp
then "no dmg" wtf
languid ravine
Windwalker is good shit if you can look past fists of fury which is cringe imo
everything else feels like you are actually playing a video game
and get to do cool stuff
whoaw
jolly sierra
that is the intended design of ww since legion tho
they based their rotation in arcade combo fighting games
god dammit the guy is retired
languid ravine
yah its like you can pick and slot those abilities where you need them
with minimal loss
but thats why I think fists is cringe, it kinda removes control for 4 seconds while everything else is just snappy and clicks
languid ravine
yea it also doubles as an energy generator secretly
also the animation is you punch stuff in front of you for 50 times, meanwhile IRL you press it once and then stare at the screen for four seconds
hidden dome
It should remove the GCD and you should have to press for each punch
jolly sierra
yeah im alone lol
languid ravine
It should remove the GCD and you should have to press for each punch
ayo, instantly fixed the ability
hidden dome
Sounds a lot like WW this season
jolly sierra
kk im going for guts then
languid ravine
dont listen to this Edenzonk, you need to become one mind with your teleport ghost
jolly sierra
ye
languid ravine
are you implying mistweavers have bad memory from
hidden dome
I'm saying that MW think of their ports as a defensive CD. And if you port after them they usually panic and die.
Atleast if the other MW are as bad as their spec as I am
languid ravine
oohhh I thought you meant trolling your allied mistweaver with your ghost
jolly sierra
gotcha he talked seriously this time lol
languid ravine
hey, you forgot good peels and off heals
jolly sierra
then said i should switch w keefer and dont get fooled by serenity
cuz is not my true burst
languid ravine
plus knock off in blades edge arena
gleaming pawn
gotcha he talked seriously this time lol
got it, so monk is once again just hold W and win games. Got it
🙂
jolly sierra
yeah
when i faced them in 2s
i just stopped their fists
and then incapped and stunned them in serenities
then played as usual
he guy is a doomer, he says he just wanna leave
and stop going monk lol
ty mr edenwork im going ss after lunch
yeah, s tier explicit
nova jay
For sub rogue, why do so many people play rotten instead of finality
waxen meteor
check tier set
nova jay
I know the rotten is often recommended but I also see ppl like Pikaboo running finality
waxen meteor
Pickaboo always uses something creative
but most use rotten because of our 2 tier set
spring bough
How does outlaw feel today in solo?
Bout to give it my first go with the old HO build
spring bough
running the RC KIR key build in solo right now and having most fun ive had all season lol
spring bough
hitting all these 80-90k dispatches feeling hella nice lol
stoic spruce
I'm not buying it
spring bough
hit a 91k on the one round and another 82k on the next lol
oh wow and a nice 84k right after that too lol
gleaming pawn
so you're playing without Float, grapple, imp grapple, and short blind?
spring bough
i changed it up a little bit but no imp grapple or blinding
and keep trying float vs no float with imp bte
narrow tangle
For sub rogue, why do so many people play rotten instead of finality
i believe flag finality does more burst damage but rotten is more forgiving, easier, you can go deadly aggressive and get away with it because of cdr. at least thats how I felt when I played
nova jay
what's cdr
jaunty osprey
Cooldown reduction
stoic spruce
https://www.wowhead.com/news/updated-forsaken-heritage-armor-appearances-new-chest-straps-and-spiked-334501#p5664517 it's been fiiiiixed @jolly sierra
Yippeeeee
nova jay
ah you mean the invigorating shdowdust?
jolly sierra
https://www.wowhead.com/news/updated-forsaken-heritage-armor-appearances-new-che...
looks like the forsaken flagbearer
stoic spruce
It looks good
spring bough
ripped at 6-0 at 1800 with this build. some of yall outlaw boys might have fun w this lol. 97k pistol crit 103k dispatch too lol
gleaming pawn
it's worth a shot I suppose, but KiR is gross, and not having step or blade rush just sounds like a bad time
spring bough
this KB right here. 152.6k pistol followed with a 103k dispatch for the KB felt so awesome lmao
spring bough
with an 86k dispatch before the pistol too LOL
jaunty osprey
he's testing
spring bough
yeah this build is kinda slappy ngl lol
i guess i can try it without subterfuge and use some more points in the rogue tree
going 1/2 seal fate to pickup cold blood gonna see how that does next lobby
stoic spruce
ripped at 6-0 at 1800 with this build. some of yall outlaw boys might have fun w...
I'd rather hit my balls with a rubber hammer than play ER + KIR
Fake build
spring bough
awh come on lol. its hella fun get 3 ER CPs back to back and get some dispatch crits
stoic spruce
It is not
spring bough
could prob drop KIR too and pickup something else tbh lol
stoic spruce
Come on 10.2
fathom dew
first time ever hitting 2k 
stoic spruce
geegees
jolly sierra
chad
spring bough
itll never come lol
spring bough
using the slime boots and these things are doing a nice 5-6% of my damage. 25-27k crits not too shabby lol
gleaming pawn
yeah I liked using the slime boots with another toxic patch
felt good
but the squish without the cloak was real
fossil sierra
man anything other than priest heals feels like shit in 2s
jolly sierra
using the slime boots and these things are doing a nice 5-6% of my damage. 25-27...
nessper said cum boots + toxic patch were the wey at least for assa
lolol
he said something about being affected by assa 4set
waxen meteor
cmon blizz rog rework news when
2024
fossil sierra
is gloom better?
jolly sierra
vocal surge
oh no
torn stump
@pearl warren hi, can I add you?
wanton breach
ahahaha the bfa s2 glad is so accurate
nimble idol
how does the outlaw look after buff?
torn stump
how does the outlaw look after buff?
with addions
stoic spruce
how does the outlaw look after buff?
Same as before but slightly better
languid ravine
ripped at 6-0 at 1800 with this build. some of yall outlaw boys might have fun w...
mate you are ONE ZERO points away from thistle tea, just take it 
nimble idol
Same as before but slightly better
yea not bad
languid ravine
Drop ER for tea
???
sturdy canopy
first time ever hitting 2k <:2ez:587982296066424843>
Congratulations dude
harsh steppe
gratz mongee
ugh don't think i can use plater anymore, the lag time for the hp bars/stuttering it does is so annoying
i'm going back to blizzard's basic ui, so i need help determining which class is which when i have two of the same, like 2 paladins, holy & ret, how can i tell the difference? learning the difference "over time" isn't viable, been playing for years & still can't tell, need another method. focus doesn't work either, there's no indication in the field
stoic spruce
???
Yupp
Just right click ER and grab that happy tea and you even have a talent point left over :D
So much better than stinky ER
languid ravine
please I gave you an opportunity to stop being stupid
there is one point you can take off lethality
stoic spruce
Nope
languid ravine
and if you dont want to play ER, Tea or KIR, there are different builds, which I'm not talking about here
surreal barn
ugh don't think i can use plater anymore, the lag time for the hp bars/stutterin...
You could download HHTD and it should put a + over the head of your healer
I’ve only used it in battlegrounds though
Maybe it’s not a +, it’s definitely obvious who is throwing down healing though
harsh steppe
oh mb, i don't mean my own healer, i mean the enemy
surreal barn
That is the enemy
“Healers Have To Die” is the name and it puts that cross over the head of the enemy healing the most
nimble idol
ugh don't think i can use plater anymore, the lag time for the hp bars/stutterin...
You can try threat plates
Or with gladius ex if you put healer in focus the addon drop a big arrow on him
harsh steppe
oh weird, i use gex and haven’t ever seen that arrow i’ll play around with that and threat plates too tyty!
torn stump
I found Realz a fat lot come here?
spring bough
About how cringe ER is
My dispatch damage def aent cringing when I press ER 😂
languid ravine
it IS a little cringe trying to hit those as Outlaw :3
fathom dew
Thanks dudes 🫡
spring bough
it IS a little cringe trying to hit those as Outlaw :3
Ngl first couple rounds running it sucks cause you gotta react to hitting a finisher instead of spamming that sinister lol
minor cape
if i had to ER on outlaw i would die
spring bough
I saw a few top outlaws using the dance KIR build. Might try that again later
languid ravine
anyone try boosted ER with cold blood? how much does it hit for
not currently logged in to check
spring bough
Haven’t tried that. ER I think hits for 40-50k or so using RC
I tried doing 1/2 SF to pickup cold blood and I didn’t like it. Felt short on combo points a few times trying it
narrow tangle
inflate mmr
gilded flame
I just started trying to pick up outlaw as an alt again because its the only rogue spec I ever enjoyed in arenas. Not caring if its not great right now
Ima try that spec because tracking ambush procs kind of isn't chill enough for me
spring bough
Smashing dispatches feels so good
surreal barn
Raz was destroying on some outlaw today lol
Will have to give it a try
I think he won every game when paired with UnDK
spring bough
I think last night I had two 80ks and then hit a 100k dispatch for the KB felt amazing
With a 150k pistol or so lmfao. That’s all 3 shots added together
I’m rocking like 35% or so crit might be more tbh 😂
surreal barn
I’ve got 2 rogues over 2k right now and am scared to start spec swapping I’m not that good
I’ll forget how to sub if I get into law
spring bough
Got my outlaw past 1900 last night. Tonight is the duelist grind
gilded flame
I haven't played it since S3 of SL I think I have no idea what I am doing again
sick wasp
gleaming pawn
it performs well in 2s and 3s even at the higher end, but struggles quite badly in SS so be ready for a grind there
jolly sierra
u are a sub u liar
potent pivot
u are a sub u liar
Let the man dream 
glad garnet
got quite unlucky w/ vault today
would ilvl 450 pvp glove with crit/vers be better than ilvl 437 w/ mastery/vers
or is mastery so valuable over that extra bit of agil
jolly sierra
sockets
placid nest
Hi all, is there any known bug that will randomly bring Rogues out of stealth? I can be out of combat, no DoTs on me, and not close to the combat and I will exit stealth.
placid nest
Just any pvp really
spring bough
I remember something w the tier set bonuses potentially causing it
And you know how blizz goes that’ll get fixed next tier 😂
placid nest
Makes sense, I have 3 pieces so could be...
waxen meteor
got quite unlucky w/ vault today
I thought we are doing sockets already
since there's no cap of conquest
glad garnet
probably but i can't play for 6h a day and get full conq gear that fast
so i grab upgrade from vault where i can atm
gleaming pawn
yeah but you gotta use the patch which is the problem
means no cloak, which hurts
but yes, the damage with good up time is great between the set bonuses and the nature damage amps in assa
waxen meteor
it's even over rupture
that's a lot
but it seems all DHs are shifting away from it
they should have similar trigger amount or more than sin
jolly sierra
yeah but you gotta use the patch which is the problem
if we get decently reworked seems like a good option tho
i can still use battlemaster trinket tho
lemme see what i cooked in the 3s skirmish from just now
did very shit dmg
...
bruh
jolly sierra
kek
gleaming pawn
I was messing around with the boots and patch as outlaw a month or so ago too, it did ok damage, like 4-5th. But it was super rng even then
tawny kestrel
tell me the top pic u linked isnt from a stormwind target dummy
jolly sierra
im not an ally
tawny kestrel
is it an orgrimmar dummy
jolly sierra
tawny kestrel
youre never gonna get completely accurate numbers from target dummies tho
jolly sierra
fuck
jolly sierra
did it in a 3s skirmish and didnt had a bigger difference
was even worse
lol
im sticking w the fang embellishment tho
gilded flame
that damage proc does over double on the dummy what it does in actual pvp
I went that route on my DH and it was proccing like that on the dummy but averaging 20k crits in actual matches
so its a farce unfortunately
gleaming pawn
I was using it in actual pvp/solo shuffle as Outlaw, and a good pull was 200k. But if often would do 80-140k depending on uptime and rng
so it wasn't terrible, but not worth the survivability from spore cloak
untold remnant
How can you kill a frost mage who plays blink stun as sub 😄 was 1v1ing a frost mage in an RBG to cap the base. Got it once. But that was a blind, vanish sap cap. After that he could just pin me down and I couldn't kill him 😦
How do you guys deal with frost mages playing blink?
soft dust
question
in druvstar top outlaws have more mastery than critc but here in the guide it says better critic? then?
minor cape
its mast
potent pivot
i bought my items and when i saw the guide was...omg
Yeah I should’ve updated the Stat prio section for outlaw my bad. I put a big disclaimer on the gear sections not being updated for 10.1 forgot the stat thing
untold remnant
Does outlaw use 4 set?
soft dust
Yeah I should’ve updated the Stat prio section for outlaw my bad. I put a big di...
nice!! thanks
jolly sierra
close close
baba corrosiva
jolly sierra
B A B A
harsh steppe
should i drop weaponmaster for the first dance?
spring bough
first que pop of the day had 0 sound so i had no idea it went off. next one i get at "transfer aborted instance not found" and a nice 15 minute debuff. guess thats gods way of saying dont play tonight lmfao
waxen meteor
should i drop weaponmaster for the first dance?
I think first dance really depends on if you use kidney or cheap shot on main kill target
I feel it’s very comfortable with first dance when I do kidney on main
But when I do dance cs I feel first dance is less relevant, you got max combo point anyway with one shadow strike after cs
harsh steppe
ok ty!
i’m still pretty bad tbh lol, i always use kidney on kill target
so in that case i should probably switch it out then is what you’re saying?
halcyon timber
It’s up to you, there isn’t a definitive yes or no .
waxen meteor
i’m still pretty bad tbh lol, i always use kidney on kill target
so in that case...
You can try these like pikaboo
In this way you got first dance but lose symbal 5s cd, which you can put on step range
Or dance +1 sec
pale storm
It’s all personal preference, swap specs around, move talents and see what works for you. I tried the energy regeneration on dance instead of first dance but I am so used to first dance now, would take some getting used to for sure
minor relic
hey guys, how does paladin HOJ work ? does it remove any stun if a pala casts it while i'm stunned ?
jolly sierra
the what?
is just a magic stun
dispellable
if he stuns after or before u are still stunned it applies DR as usual
maybe he just stunlocked u
glad garnet
fero trinket vs offhand for conquest next piece?
do people go trinkets first or finish oh
pale storm
hey guys, how does paladin HOJ work ? does it remove any stun if a pala casts it...
you might be talking about pala ability to remove stuns from friendlies?
waxen meteor
hey guys, how does paladin HOJ work ? does it remove any stun if a pala casts it...
It’s not much different than kidney other than it’s dispellable
gleaming pawn
do people go trinkets first or finish oh
go trinkets, offhand will be just about the last piece you upgrade
glad garnet
so
mh>tier pieces>ring &necks>trinkets>crafting crest for shoulders etc>pieces that aren't bloody war right
harsh steppe
You can try these like pikaboo
ty
lucid citrus
it looks sick man
jolly sierra
sure thing, after i find a fitting outfit
marble oasis
Just wear whatever everyone will look at the sword anyway.
jolly sierra
sure i'll go naked then to feel more free and then they will just get distracted w the sword
languid ravine
should i drop weaponmaster for the first dance?
you drop "Shadow Techniques", that talent is big poopoo anyways
and people saying to skip "The first dance" for whatever reason need to do the math please
or fix their playstyle
minor cape
first dance just aint that useful
in rotten
but i still use it cause im a habbit slave
but shadow techniques thing is poo, i'd rather take stiletto
and then we have no choice but to first dance lol
languid ravine
sorry can you explain how 4 free CP every dance is not that useful?
minor cape
or maybe energy regen for reasons unknown
languid ravine
Instant kidneys or rupture, a huge chunk of your damage is finishers
minor cape
sorry can you explain how 4 free CP every dance is not that useful?
because you pre kidney anyway 99% of the time and if you dont your 2set will top you
languid ravine
you get CDR from combo points
like you still have 2set top you, after spending the first dance
minor cape
its same dam my man even if you top yourself on 1st dance honestly
using first dance to rupture is insane ngl
languid ravine
the same dam as Improved shadow techniques? what are you smoking
minor cape
what tf did i say
about improved shadow tecnhiques
im talking how first dance is not super useful but its a node you go down to
anyway
the real use of first dance is using it as MFD cmon
if you use it into rupture - that's a bad way to use it
minor cape
dude cmon
are you even reading
you waste first gcd of your dance on rupture? That's totally not good
languid ravine
it applies rupture, gives you macabre stack
minor cape
and it doesn't even buff rupture damage
languid ravine
not every dance is a one shot dance
especially if you have 6 of them in the opener
minor cape
you use dance to apply ruptures? Idk man
you know what also gives macab stack on first dance?
kidney
🤪
evis
languid ravine
Instant kidneys or rupture, a huge chunk of your damage is finishers
hello
stop for a second
remember how we got here
minor cape
anyways what i want to say: The first dance is in a very good location on tree. That's why i use it and many other do. But if first dance wasn't located that well it wouldn't be that good in rotten build! Cause a lot of times it's mostly usable in the opener
after the opener you kidney from prebuilt cp anyway and on your go you just sstrike to top
languid ravine
I m glad that you brought up so many arguments to confirm my point that the first dance is unskippable in such a rigorous manner
languid ravine
mate I am saying that you are saying it is unskippable
minor cape
yes! There are builds that go down gloom path tho
and they have ways to not use it
and a lot of times they dont
however! I'm talking only rotten
i'm sure first dance is super sick in DB
languid ravine
its especially unskippable in Rotten because you get a huge amount of bonus dances
minor cape
its especially unskippable in Rotten because you get a huge amount of bonus danc...
this is the first of your arguments that makes sense to me
except kidney in opener
rupture thing does not make sense to me at all 😦
languid ravine
first dance just aint that useful
"first dance just aint that useful in rotten"
minor cape
yes 😩
languid ravine
okay you really died on that hill
languid ravine
I mean as long as you use the first dance its cool
stoic spruce
but upgraded it and turned into the normal one
SAME THING happened to me
we're like
twins or something
wanton breach
it's almost like that is an intended mechanic and works on any upgradeable item
bold bison
if you guys have a really bad lobby do you take a break or queue through the pain
I just did a 5-1 into an 0-6
getting spam abused by everyone in the lobby
wanton breach
take a break, tilt is real for me
bold bison
yeah good idea
out of interest - Surv Hunter, Fury Warrior, Arms Warrior, HPala, RSham - is that a good lobby for Sub?
wanton breach
no point in waiting 50 minutes to get tilted even more if the lobby is shit
wary spire
I got disarmed and microstunned on every dance
Yeah playing a mage is rough these days.
surreal barn
out of interest - Surv Hunter, Fury Warrior, Arms Warrior, HPala, RSham - is tha...
Doesn’t sound fun to me. Some of the lobbies I think I’ll get smoked in end up okay though. End of the day it’s how good the guys you’re facing actually are. Find the weak link.
pale storm
I would never rupture during dance, you rupture between gos
minor cape
I would never rupture during dance, you rupture between gos
hard +
torn stump
Does anyone know how the rogue talent tree remake information?
languid ravine
Dance: 7 sec
4cp Rupture: 25energy, 36k damage over 8 sec PLUS 35k over another 8 seconds
4cp Evis: 35 energy,c 35k damage instantly, PLUS 0k never in the future because your target is already dead
Dance boosts rupture ticks and evis equally it seems
languid ravine
its unbuffed
and the story changes at 7cp
so at 7cp it seems you never press rupture over evis
minor cape
you are talking about farming damage which why would you do that
if you do rotten
with that build each your dance is a dance to kill or force cd
languid ravine
whats so hard to understand about Rupture is far better if the target survives even just 8 seconds
minor cape
rupture does not force a cd
burst does
rupture does deal additional damage in dance - sure
but it's better to put it up pre dance
and then go full burst
languid ravine
mate just delete rupture from your bars and stop talking to me
minor cape
you are wrong and i will die on that hill
you even think i somehow dont use rupture at all
languid ravine
you are trunkating your decision tree for reason
minor cape
i gave you the reasons
fossil sierra
I feel so useless in shuffle sometimes... some lobbies are just pure pain
marble oasis
Does anyone know how the rogue talent tree remake information?
exactly the same information that Fuu told you in the subtlety discussion channel
minor cape
rework rupture
surreal barn
You have rupture rolling at the very least on your kill target so when you do actually want to proceed with your “go” it’s just that much extra damage during it
torn stump
rework rupture <:starege:923197272064426075>
I think sub's rupture better remake be a non-dot shadow dmg skill. And maybe it is a 15range skill.
minor cape
You have rupture rolling at the very least on your kill target so when you do ac...
thats what i was saying
🫡
pre put it on target THEN dance and it gets boosted
minor cape
what do you do between goes anyway
languid ravine
okay lets do a little math
minor cape
okay lets
languid ravine
so you press dance and apply rupture because after 8 seconds already you have higher burst than the rogue who holds dance for 2 seconds
both rogues are you
and yes of course its better to have rupture before your go
marble oasis
Rupture in dance what????
languid ravine
but thats not at all what this has been about this whole time
surreal barn
It doesn’t matter if your evisc hits harder if it is not during your kill window while the healer is cc’d. Why the heck would you press rupture during dance that is asinine
languid ravine
how about 16 seconds
minor cape
you want to go in and do as much dam while healer is stunned as possible
languid ravine
you have two dances no?
marble oasis
you PRErupture you don't need dance for that.
surreal barn
Have it up prior
minor cape
so that you force cd or kill
marble oasis
you never waste a finisher on rupture during dance ever
minor cape
AND you have rupture pre
torn stump
They can rework sub but ngl I’m enjoying it
what's ngl?
surreal barn
If you don’t that’s an issue you’ll need to fix
minor cape
even PVE players dont do that
surreal barn
what's ngl?
Not gonna lie*
minor cape
i'm not trying to attack you blackguard i just dont think it's a good thing to do overall
surreal barn
I hate to say it you don’t disarm mages.
minor cape
you do
torn stump
What about sub's rupture change to non-dot shadow dmg skill, and it is 10or15or20 range?
minor cape
not for gameplay
surreal barn
LOL
minor cape
for the soul.
minor cape
What about sub's rupture change to non-dot shadow dmg skill, and it is 10or15or2...
that doesn't make sense to me
why would you want a ranged finisher that is like eviscerate 🤪
except it is shadow dmg (which you could argue eviscerate kinda is lol)
torn stump
why would you want a ranged finisher that is like eviscerate 🤪
let sub have a long-range skill, very cool.
pale storm
you put up slice/rupture outside of dance, just put rupture up before dance, dance is your burst/CC, you spend globals on cheaps/kidney/Sstrike and evis/CD STechs
minor cape
you put up slice/rupture outside of dance, just put rupture up before dance, dan...
this is da wae
if you dont have rupt up it's opener. In opener you want to force a cd even more while people are controlled in a short period of time lol
not 8 sec
surreal barn
I foresee the new ping system being so toxic in shuffle lol
I’m actually not looking forward to it
minor cape
its not out?
surreal barn
I don’t think so
potent pivot
where can i see all the info we got
Tbh idr where I just know they’re moving the first locked row down 1 row
minor cape
🤔
minor cape
yeah thats fax 😎
potent pivot
minor cape
trickz remove stech and give evis 50% buff. In blue post say We noticed that Adskydroch wanted this buff