if that happened we would have a crucification 2.0
#pvp
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potent pivot
pearl warren
ok new game
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100%
jolly sierra
edaniel, the newcomer owl and hyper
jolly sierra
oh
pearl warren
ya im a very solo player
minor cape
okay we have the crucification now we have the holy trinity
pearl warren
self improvement all that shit yanno
jolly sierra
pearl warren
(no flame to self improvement)
i know the ppl ive been qing into across the years but not much else
jolly sierra
where is the inqusition
minor cape
name 3 articulate rogue players
whats next? 3 warrior players who can read?
jolly sierra
oof
potent pivot
there are 0.6
jolly sierra
whats next? 3 warrior players who can read?
mage players which can play disarmed
pearl warren
i will literally bark ur head off
potent pivot
🧢
analog crater
how reliant on gear is each spec?
jolly sierra
i will literally bark ur head off
u look like a cat
jolly sierra
eksdee
analog crater
like, is one gonna end up feeling a lot worse then another until i get gear behind me?
jolly sierra
sure, i'll ask our rogue to let u in
pearl warren
the class is balanced around absolute bis gear
jolly sierra
u can go dk if u wanna go ungeared to arena
pearl warren
myself included
minor cape
what do you suggest we craft?
pearl warren
what spec what matchups
minor cape
subtlety
pearl warren
fuck do i gota write a list for first crafts
analog crater
so what im hearing is my honor gear from LAST seasons gonna make it a rough time lol
pearl warren
engi goggles with mastery
minor cape
nah dont
pearl warren
r proly ur best first craft
minor cape
just tell which ones do you think suck but people use
jolly sierra
where tf were u when i needed to decide my s2 crafteds?
potent pivot
fuck do i gota write a list for first crafts
this is literally why i had forgone making a gear list for 10.1 like i did for 10.0
pearl warren
this is literally why i had forgone making a gear list for 10.1 like i did for 1...
yeah wasnt enough time to theorycraft it all
i legit just got out the lab
i was a legit mole
minor cape
++ crafted engi googles myself before
pearl warren
now my character has enough gear to play around like its TR
pearl warren
so ive been testing in 2v2/3v3
pearl warren
stat prios etc
jolly sierra
do u reccomend to craft the engi bracers alongside the helm?
analog crater
So at this point, should i just like, get my rogue honor capped, and wait for next season to start since im essentially starting new this season?
minor cape
yeah, at which point do we lose so much verse that we dont want mastery no more?
minor cape
So at this point, should i just like, get my rogue honor capped, and wait for ne...
good question i have no idea
potent pivot
So at this point, should i just like, get my rogue honor capped, and wait for ne...
not necessarily, just depends how badly you want to play it or go for the seasonal rewards
it's not impossible to farm conq
just harder to farm rating with lower gear
analog crater
hm.. do we have any idea of how long we have left with this season?
jolly sierra
like 2 months
pearl warren
<@90520864251973632> need opinion
good ping
analog crater
oh well shit, nvm i got time
analog crater
i thought it was less then a month or something
jolly sierra
usually it stays for like 5 months
pearl warren
since assa and sub have a lot of overlap
jolly sierra
but this season was disasterful af
pearl warren
i can leak that tech at least
pearl warren
gona let awc cook b4 i send any outlaw tech
but sub rogue stat prio is just mast=vers (YOU DO NOT WANT ANY OTHER STATS)
pearl warren
making them as even as possible is idea
embellies r just boots+mast BELT***** probably
if ur below full hp its just ur own fault
actually
i think its
belt
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is there a point at which i dont want to waste more versa in favour of mastery?
pearl warren
like highkey i think belt is the best crafted piece
to put embellishment on
stat embellishment
as sub rogue you only want 2p
your dance globals should be cheap shot->secret tech (can shadowstrike if you need cp, but ideally you go into dance with high cp
kidney for cc->generate cp->gouge off->dance cheap->sec tech
assa rogue i think its 4p
and you use pve embellishments
minor cape
embellies r just boots+mast BELT***** probably
why ring tho
pearl warren
vers>mast=crit
pearl warren
why ring tho
fixed good comms
minor cape
vers>mast=crit
hmm
pearl warren
ok leme finish
minor cape
so ur saying the whole pump mastery to 110% thing is not good
jolly sierra
nessper do u reccomend mastery eng bracers in assa?
pearl warren
the most valuable stat in pvp
for all classes
because enemy players will be attacking you
minor cape
why do we go engi helm then
analog crater
use to always see feral as a watered down rogue, that still hold true?
minor cape
vs vers mastery head
pearl warren
why do we go engi helm then
because pvp pieces are heavy vers, so you can put full mastery on the engi helm to even our your statweights
engi is for sub rogue
assa u want toxic helm
minor cape
oooh right
jolly sierra
the pve one?
jolly sierra
k
minor cape
so we just wanna have same mastery as vers
marble oasis
but you forgot to preheat the oven!
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gotcha
pearl warren
and since its a poison it feels like its scaling off of your mastery
might be an oversight
or just lazy code
your 2p can also proc it
as assa
and your 4p should also amp it
shove deathmark
kill plate
trade aggressively
if you are out of cds and not getting help
become the pillar
pillar is our friend
our only friend
pillar will always protect us
from harm.
🫡
minor cape
nice to have another guy besides raz and trickz giving huge advice
pearl warren
psure trickz is 1 of my viewers/mayb a sub at 1point
minor cape
ty g
pearl warren
homie.
and raz someone ive played against in tournament
basically tournament rogues copied my homework
wont name names
minor cape
rholdt pvp chat lore is strong
pearl warren
they know who they are
marble oasis
stronger than the games lore atleast
pearl warren
ye
wow history is epic
ngl
behind the scenes has always been cool at the top of ladder
quick lfg life hack
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say "Raz is my dad"
pearl warren
if someone has a r1 title from pre-GRIEVOUS season
raz is legit
my lil bro
he is 0-1 against me on TV
aint that right @tawny kestrel
pearl warren
might have pickpocketed the eu rmt gbank when their guild auto passed me gm for activity
🤫
minor cape
imma copy your homework for playing shuffle what are you going to do
pearl warren
they only had 800k dw
bouta q up assa
cant handle shuffle as any other spec
ppl just grief my drs
so i just apply bleeds and watch the chaos
oh right
the assa 2p "bug"
procs slime
woohoo modifiers
maybe the rogue rework already happened but it just wasnt on patch notes
im done cookin brb
ping w specific questions o7
minor cape
🫡
pearl warren
the assa 2p "bug"
elaborating on this, also stands drinks regardless of you or your targets combat standing
pandemic extend ER rupture
on as many targets as possible
thats it thats all there is to assa rogue
currently
jolly sierra
@pearl warren so in summary should i use both cum boots and poison helm?
no agi boots?
jolly sierra
kk
pearl warren
dmg either happens or it doesnt
pearl warren
your damage breakdown is
60% rupture/garrote
40% everything else
so you play around
the 60%
and dont die
take less dmg than you deal
assa rogue philosophy
jolly sierra
any build to go full in that 60?
pearl warren
o right the resource websites are so bad for copying peoples talents LOL
oh blizzard
nice ui
jolly sierra
kek
@cobalt pewter excuse me highlord, can you tell me which embellisment should i use for arms in 2s besides the infurious boots?
cobalt pewter
<@269709440146604032> excuse me highlord, can you tell me which embellisment sho...
sporecloak
cobalt pewter
🫡
marble oasis
some people.... swear they don't know how to plug their keyboard in
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average skirm experience
jolly sierra
recruiting cultists
minor cape
talk too much with mud and you might reroll arms yourself
jolly sierra
when u have like 3 alts u will need to learn from everywhere
pearl warren
talk too much with mud and you might reroll arms yourself
ive rbg'd with mud, useless comms
low impact team player (ladder warrior like myself)
jolly sierra
this guy is spitting facts in chat
but sadly nobody of the involveds replies back when he pings
halcyon timber
Lots just come in here to spread propaganda and talk loudly frequently.
cobalt pewter
whatchu doin in the rogue discord 😒
making sure u guys arent going off the rails
pearl warren
making sure u guys arent going off the rails
im doin iight, appreciate the concern
grinding SOCIAL INTERACTIONS atm to work on COMMS
legit qin up social ladder
i'll dm u
jolly sierra
top 10 anime fights
potent pivot
indeed
minor cape
do you also see what is written there
potent pivot
indeed
minor cape
and who wrote it?
lapis steeple
Indeed
potent pivot
they shall not be named and shamed
lapis steeple
It also adds a tick to that user in our bot
So when we look them up
It says they hit filter X times
minor cape
do you see it?
potent pivot
wooden spire
knowingly hitting the filter is also fucking annoying
minor cape
sorry
lapis steeple
do you see it?
Of course we do, do it again and I’ll ban you :)
potent pivot
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lapis steeple
The smile is friendly but firm
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no i see its a toxic moderator smile
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don't have it enabled
potent pivot
:) ?
wooden spire
potent pivot
i honestly don't remember how
lapis steeple
Idk just doesn’t do it
minor cape
i triggered the filter to privately tell moderators that trickz is the sexiest moderator
jolly sierra
wtf
minor cape
and whispyr got mad that its not him
jolly sierra
lol
minor cape
😎
jaunty osprey
@wooden spire y u hate me now smh
potent pivot
@jaunty osprey i still miss rifey streams
wooden spire
damn ryfie quitting hit some of us harder than others eh
potent pivot
did i do something
naw wasn't you, you're good
pearl warren
😎
jolly sierra
adskydroch disarm another mage before trickz notices something wrong
potent pivot
damn ryfie quitting hit some of us harder than others eh
that was back when i first came back to wow in SL, learned a lot from watching
pearl warren
mages 😒
jaunty osprey
I PVPD before I pved
jolly sierra
oof
potent pivot
loool
jaunty osprey
And then I did m+ pushing starting in bfa because i saw nessper doing raiding, keys, and pvp at the same time
HE INSPIRED ME
wooden spire
and now look at you
jaunty osprey
now i only pvp
jaunty osprey
nessper is the goat
jaunty osprey
i miss ryfie too
jolly sierra
nessper tell me how to win trial of style easily
jaunty osprey
SHEJWBWJDHWJWBEJDHR
jaunty osprey
No
potent pivot
LOLL
jaunty osprey
u just saw me on ZJ oribos
wooden spire
well this is just awkward now
jaunty osprey
all the time
wooden spire
yeah I had to escape the french canadians bro
I hope you understand
(then I joined a guild on illidan with 5 of them)
potent pivot
i'm still on ZJ :')
jolly sierra
hey guys from above, can u tell realz to come here someday to talk about pvp?
i dont wanna ping him
wooden spire
you think realz listens to me?
jaunty osprey
ping him pussy
jolly sierra
fuck
jaunty osprey
jk
wooden spire
get ivan to ping him
wooden spire
all Ivan does in here, is he pops into assassination tells me he misses me
and then afks for 3 weeks
jolly sierra
oh
wooden spire
true, why would you want a former blizzcon competitor helping with the pvp balance
but yes
jolly sierra
lol
wooden spire
the entire pvp sphere can use design touch ups
surreal barn
Shiv roots targets for 5 seconds now gg
potent pivot
tru
jaunty osprey
all Ivan does in here, is he pops into assassination tells me he misses me
LOL
cause i been taking a break from pve 😦
wooden spire
cause i been taking a break from pve 😦
I don't blame you, shit game tbh
surreal barn
Someone suggested making blades edge 3x larger I bet that would be interesting
jaunty osprey
pvp is fun
jolly sierra
do it else u are fake rogues
wooden spire
that's fine, I'll be a fake rogue
jaunty osprey
do u at least keep warmode on
jolly sierra
oof
jaunty osprey
To grief ppl
wooden spire
do u at least keep warmode on
does it matter?
jaunty osprey
yes
wooden spire
I log in for raid and log out for the week
surreal barn
We are ravenholt now
wooden spire
who am I going to grief
wooden spire
I once murdered someone onthe weekly thing in the caverns
I kidneyed them in the rare's frontal
surreal barn
That is definitely rogue shit
pearl warren
you've quit the game twice since starting that
i think the term 'quit' is pretty relative for a lot of wow players
insanely difficult addiction to beat
especially if you started at a young age
jaunty osprey
ya
jolly sierra
who is the old man here?
pearl warren
proly a few people
lota old rogue players
feel like im the master splinter of rogues atm
pearl warren
im 29
jaunty osprey
see, dad
pearl warren
Oldge
jaunty osprey
i started in bc but i was a pally back then
pearl warren
game saved my life
jaunty osprey
😦
potent pivot
playing with a friend on their acc yea
got my own acc in wotlk
i've always been a rogue main
jolly sierra
btw nessper u said to use a helm with toxic patch embellishment?
jolly sierra
kk
pearl warren
patch+ooze boot
jolly sierra
playing with a friend on their acc yea
jaunty osprey
when is awc
pearl warren
the crafted borrowed power that scales with a lot of class mechanics (incognito unless you read tooltips)
potent pivot
<:tos:587982298566361109>
they were in the room w/ me lol
pearl warren
bro the boys been in the lab you have no idea
jolly sierra
blizz says k shut up bro u ban
potent pivot
jolly sierra
pearl warren
i mean i'll admit it i was a heinous rmt'er until they perma'd the 1 true 🐐
jaunty osprey
who didnt rmt back then
pearl warren
yeah
jolly sierra
fine im getting another embellishment then
pearl warren
i only ever used bots to farm honor
bc i didnt like interacting with npcs
in 40 man rp pvp
jaunty osprey
Same
pearl warren
yeah
wooden spire
even the women and non-binary
pearl warren
welcome to rogue lil bro
jolly sierra
= D
pearl warren
rogue is brotherhood
pearl warren
so every1 is either lil bro or big bro to me
jaunty osprey
or stungod whatever
jaunty osprey
Kalvin is like 7
jaunty osprey
stungod is like 9
jolly sierra
sounds like prodigys
pearl warren
best guess
wooden spire
sounds like prodigys
except they play rogue, unlucky
jolly sierra
to highlight in young ages lol
pearl warren
any successful ladder pvp rogue player
jolly sierra
oof
jolly sierra
i see
pearl warren
the tournament rogues r comms prodigies
jaunty osprey
bye oxi
pearl warren
o7
jolly sierra
bye
jaunty osprey
c u in 3 weeks
jolly sierra
c u m
wooden spire
c u in 3 weeks
imma slide in those dms bbg
gleaming pawn
we had some big names in pvp today, the world must be coming to an end
pearl warren
nessper so active this week
i'll dm u
im business prodigy
i been cookin for years bro
runic pecan
Quick question
for assa pvp do I take infurios footwraps and sporecloak or toxic feet and shoulders?
and should I use scalewarden waist and wrists for mastery and versa or just the conquest pieces?
gleaming pawn
sporecloak and footwraps
gleaming pawn
yes those are, you are only losing 3 ilv for a good chunk of Mastery
runic pecan
Makes sense, thanks
wise breach
If you don't PvE (ie have unused Sparks of Shadowflame), you're better off crafting belt and bracers with vers mastery + Trophy to bump to 450 in PvP
pearl warren
how about scalewarden waist and wrists?
think of these as filler pieces until you have enough spots to craft bracers/belt
zealous swan
is it likely to 100-0 someone with just this combo (assuming they cant do anything) shadow blades cheap dance evis symbols cold blood sech tech shadow strike sectech shadow strike?
also why does the #1 #2 ss rogue prio crit over mastery
pearl warren
if u press thistle tea with bis gear b4 it goes off
proly 4p/rng/gacha/gamba enjoyer
or hes in pve gear
zealous swan
if u press thistle tea with bis gear b4 it goes off
why do u need thistle tea
pearl warren
to give urself a flat mastery amp above the stat dr
duh
8^)
why do u think trills winning the tournaments
and the double dance 'cc rogues' arent
subrogue devolved into meleebrain 'just do dmg' years ago
in pvp
stoic spruce
talk too much with mud and you might reroll arms yourself
@cobalt pewter has that effect on people. Happened to me in SL >.>
jaunty osprey
cdr cc rogue spec does all this fancy stuff and then 1 dance thistle tea rogue just stuns u and hits u for 400k sec tech and then 140k evis and 60k evis shadow dam
pearl warren
cdr cc rogue spec does all this fancy stuff and then 1 dance thistle tea rogue j...
this about covers why modern sub rogue is the easy mode spec for beginners
and if you are having trouble dealing dmg with the thistle tea sub rogue build, it’s probably because you aren’t paying attention to find weakness
surreal barn
Played the weirdest build with an augvoker but it was fun as hell
Build is prob trash but went down to thistle tea and still played CDR/gloom sub side
jolly sierra
got my third full elite set in my collection
languid ravine
600 rating gap good matchmaking me smash
languid ravine
its probably because virtually nobody is playing WoW at monday 4am
languid ravine
jolly sierra
according to IMDB the episode is based af
split marsh
any outlaw pvp enjoyer? i want to try it in arenas but idk if the wowhead talents are good, not taking float like a butterfly, improved sprint or even black jack looks like a mistake
jolly sierra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6O0OgkQ8NY
they did another tier list one week ago in SS
gritty heart
guys what is best class for open area unranked pvp
as sub rogue im losing to druid tank or priest
gritty heart
i think druidtank is so broken atm nearly unkillable
jolly sierra
that is because there are not dampening in outdoor
and that is the reason they are useless in rated non rbg pvp
jolly sierra
wtf this was from a RsK, sadly was all absorbed F
torn stump
what about this?
[Grappling Hook]
Replaces Shadowstep
If you already know Shadowstep, instead gain 1 additional charge of Grappling Hook.
2 charge hook, 2button to 1button.
languid ravine
grapple and shadowstep are fairly different skills
and it would literally suck to lose shadowstep for grapple
minor cape
2 charge hook
imagine using it and it doesnt work and bugs out
and then you use it again
and it bugs out again
torn stump
I think it make different and simplify, and restless blades can work on 2charge.
languid ravine
I remember during the whole of Legion and BFA it almost NEVER bugged out
minor cape
and a wheelchair pala kills you
languid ravine
and then the first zone shadowlands it almost always bugged out
like wtf
and ever since I ve died like 50 times in open world to it bugging out
languid ravine
and a wheelchair pala kills you
yes or a blood DK
torn stump
imagine using it and it doesnt work and bugs out
2 charge hook, why with bug?
what about when you use hook immune control?
reduce bugs
languid ravine
honestly just code it like heroic leap
lower the arc by n degrees
solved
is it even possible, can it be that hard to fix grapple?
we fixed all the DH fel rush and all the monk crap
and god knows what other wonky mobility spells and teleports work fine
torn stump
what about this?
[blindside]
change to: ... have a 25% chance to make ... chance increased to 40% if target is under 40% health.
[Zoldyck Recipe]
change to: ... deal 12/24/36% increased damage to targets below 40% health.
jolly sierra
and a wheelchair pala kills you
me
pearl warren
need a volunteer for vod review “experiment” (prefer someone with experience at a relatively high level)
dm for details, I’ll try to sort through any requests when i wake up
minor cape
need a volunteer for vod review “experiment” (prefer someone with experience at ...
what level would be relatively high
🤔
minor cape
ok that aint me 🤪
wanton breach
what level would be relatively high
relative could be 1400 for some people 
pearl warren
this is a
tell your friends type deal
i ideally want a rogue player looking be better than people who are at the top
1hr
wanton breach
that's quite the specific profile you are looking for
pearl warren
yeah im looking to monetize myself as a results oriented esports coach
pattern enjoyer
reverse engineer (self taught)
tryna see if what i cooked up has any noticeable results over the second half of a season
ty for ur time
wanton breach
and you want to sell that to individuals instead of premade teams?
pearl warren
that’s why i led with experiment
minor cape
nessper wants to do some gods work i see
pearl warren
leme cook
wanton breach
I mean, I wish you all the best of success, it's just a niche market compared to coaching players to get 1800
minor cape
1800 is pretty easy self taught
wanton breach
i would love someone to teach me to get to 2100+
have you considered a different class? 
minor cape
im new tho
pearl warren
i didn’t get my first title until my fourth expansion playing the game
minor cape
focus on your own mistakes
were you watching your own vods
wanton breach
a friend of mine improved massively by recording his own gameplay and reviewing it afterwards - if your pc can handle that and you got the harddrive space, give it a shot
pearl warren
now i have more trophies than fingers
minor cape
or its optional?
pearl warren
trying to share my self improvement methods
wanton breach
now i have more trophies than fingers
did you start working as a carpenter? 
pearl warren
no
won’t be sharing my personal history in such public channels
if you don’t know who i am, take 5m to do research
the players im interested in vod reviewing with
know who i am
wanton breach
I'm just joking around, I follow your twitch
pearl warren
sorry i assume people do not know me
i prefer it that way
can’t read sarcasm through text
i just have a photographic memory
i learned the game through memorizing every single win and loss condition I’ve experienced (personally) and through 3rd party viewing
wanton breach
photographic memory helps but is certainly not needed, just takes way longer to learn without it, I guess
pearl warren
im also mentally disabled, that alongside residual esports winnings in community tournaments is how i make my income
information I’ve kept to myself until now
to reserve judgement from onlookers yanno
wanton breach
I'm certainly not even near your level but what helped me the most in pvp is playing other classes to learn what they are capable of in order to know how to react. takes a shit ton of time though
pearl warren
once again i am not here for a discussion atm, just wanted to put it out there that i was lookin for a volunteer 🙂 nothing personal
wanton breach
best of success to you, hopefully a suitable person contacts you!
pearl warren
o7
torn stump
how to contact Realz?
wary spire
Same as Jesus. You pray and wait for him to show up again.
marble oasis
yeh you don't he will see stuff if he is looking
torn stump
I have integrated many people's suggestions, want to tell him.
pearl warren
he is good at his job
he does not require your input
hope this helps
if your feedback is valuable you will notice changes
torn stump
and how to feedback
pearl warren
share your thoughts with the community first
if the general consensus of the community is that you’re a bit lost, you’re probably a bit lost
back to the drawing board angle
wanton breach
or maybe someone has an improvement on an idea of yours
constructive critcism exists after all
torn stump
I share a few, not lost, I think better connect to him.
I know the idea need reasonable.
pearl warren
constructive critcism exists after all
what do you think I’ve been doing until this expansion
marble oasis
He reads the discord all the time. just because he isn't saying anything doesn't mean he isn't.
last thing he needs is thousands of people thinking they know what he should do
harsh steppe
gm ❤️
torn stump
He reads the discord all the time. just because he isn't saying anything doesn't...
you are right, but talk to him is constructive.
pearl warren
true, but not directly
the man in charges job is to take in all feedback equally, without bias
and historically it’s been better to keep knowledge from other rogue players (in pvp) to give yourself an edge in the mirror
the goats never share their sources
torn stump
maybe talk to the best PvP rogue first?
torn stump
can I add him friend?
torn stump
noT-T
harsh steppe
what is going on lmao
torn stump
I think overstepping a little too. so I ask this.
pearl warren
can’t read tone from text
you could try to add them
but you probably won’t get a response
torn stump
I also think it might be like this
torn stump
https://tenor.com/view/oops-turn-around-cute-baby-go-back-gif-17143217
what's this mean?
harsh steppe
it means there's a lot of drama in here
wanton breach
what do you think I’ve been doing until this expansion
But you aren't always around
wanton breach
So you want to get pinged? huehue
pearl warren
everyone is too scared to ask
wanton breach
Well I will take you up on the offer nessper
pearl warren
i originally streamed because i liked the negative feedback i got from players i thought were better than me
torn stump
is Edaniel the best PVP rogue too?
wary spire
im getting trolled
I think @torn stump means well. 
pearl warren
agreed
wary spire
is Edaniel the best PVP rogue too?
In my heart I am and that's all that matters!
pearl warren
once again i would like to point out that i cannot read tone from text chat
and neither can you
i only raise my voice when im interrupted because it takes me a minute to vocalize my thoughts
i been cookin
now i can provide valuable feedback
when the devs suck
they have not sucked recently
thus; no bitchin
wary spire
@torn stump what's your native language?
torn stump
In my heart I am and that's all that matters!
can I add you, and show the suggestion to you?
pearl warren
well you’re here you made it
this is where the people who listen gather
go ahead
no judgement 🙂
wanton breach
Balancing pvp with PvE as the main game is probably rather tricky. Pvp changes might be tied to the upcoming rogue rework (soon for sure 
)
harsh steppe
lol this guy really takes the cake
wanton breach
Now that hyper is here, he can give you all the feedback
harsh steppe
ahaha
wanton breach
wary spire
How's your push looking, hyper? Got elite set yet?
harsh steppe
nah still perma stuck at 1400
pearl warren
likely stems from ui issue
Most *of the pvp complaints I’ve noticed over the years are strictly ui related
addons dominate competitive play because all you actually need as a rogue player is information on other players cooldowns and how to counter them
torn stump
thanks, Nessper and Edaniel.
pearl warren
sure thing wish cat
pearl warren
addons dominate competitive play because all you actually need as a rogue player...
wanted to elaborate on this, go check rogue tournament performance before and after weakauras were allowed in
wanton breach
Add-ons are also a big hurdle for players to get into pvp. It's just stupid how much external modification one needs to be on the same page as everyone else already more familiar with pvp
I've been trying to help a few PvE friends get into pvp and the stuff they need in weakauras and add-ons might be frightening for some
Not to mention the need for precog as caster noob
"I need a spark for that?"
harsh steppe
no, it's because i suck
pearl warren
u need only gladius and omnicd/cc/bar for pvp imo
all of these can be customized and added upon with weakauras
wanton breach
Those are four add-ons already just for pvp
pearl warren
weakauras are the next step
nova viper
- i dont like 019482130951820934812905481209 icons on my screen so
pearl warren
oh so you gave up
when it got challenging
that’s interesting
do all pvp rogues do that
harsh steppe
nope, still trying
pearl warren
nice
nova viper
And I don't understand how the fuck you can play with this addon that talks to you in a robotic voice
wanton breach
People play with similar weakauras in m+ and raid
wanton breach
It still might help in the beginning
pearl warren
effectively
nova viper
Addons ruined the game for me. People in pve are not high because they can only play because they learned one rotation and learned to read addons xD
harsh steppe
WAs puts you at a huge advantage
wanton breach
As in audio cues might have a higher chance to land if the visual interface is not comfortable in a new scenario
pearl warren
Addons ruined the game for me. People in pve are not high because they can only ...
and players who learned to play through pvp learned to read tooltips instead of cut pasting
from warcraftlogs.com
harsh steppe
what cr are you nessper
nova viper
You don't need to have any knowledge of your own or just be mechanically good - you just have to look at the fields that pop up halfway down the screen with who has a defense or a hit when. 
pearl warren
You don't need to have any knowledge of your own or just be mechanically good - ...
why do you think the tournament rogues are react Andy’s copy pasting everyone else’s homework
asking for a friend
wanton breach
pearl warren
watch a pikaboo vod of him playing thistle tea
pay attention to his find weakness uptime
or whaaz
any of the popular streamers for that matter
each team has 1-2 actual players that just feed weakauras to their subordinates and call their cooldowns
this playstyle is also why rogue players have leaned towards rmt
easiest class in the game to carry as long as you have 1 big smart mage to tell you when to kidney shot
wanton breach
Speaking of copy paste, which rogue talent capstones are you running as outlaw @pearl warren
pearl warren
don’t intend to answer that until after tournament
curious if the devs know what’s broken about it
wanton breach
Err okay, when is the tournament?
wanton breach
Mucho successo
pearl warren
i wonder which outlaw rogue team will win
rogue team, even
sub has more room for error
tournament players make mistakes
they’re still human
wanton breach
Surely there will be an assa rogue as well, right? /s
wanton breach
Well I am not willing to bet on seeing any arcane mages
wanton breach
But who knows what the teams have been cooking
pearl warren
probably aug
sub rogue + high winds effect
definitely hpal
er
maybe not post changes
but iirc none of their cd timers were nerfed
(talking about hpal for a sec)
wanton breach
Is tournament realm on live patch or a bit behind?
wanton breach
Only heal output and mana reg iirc
pearl warren
ya so still hpal every game
hpal is broken because if you rotate your cds well on top of good positioning, you don’t actually need any healing output if your team never takes damage
(see: sub rogue + high winds)
1 minute sac is egregious
wanton breach
Didn't high winds also get a nerf recently?
pearl warren
still stacks with similar effects, no?
wanton breach
No clue tbh
pearl warren
if it does then it doesn’t matter
stacks exponentially when combined with other healing reduction
I thought they learned the whole stacking modifier lesson
years ago
wanton breach
Glorious days of multiple healing reduction effects stacking
pearl warren
when pressing feint reduced chaos wave initial dmg in mop combined with feints aoe damage reduction
still exists
the modifiers now are just under different labels
wanton breach
I thought they learned the whole stacking modifier lesson
The death mark wound poison stacking in s1 says no
pearl warren
im referring to damage reduction effects
not increases
why do you think games last so long
it’s not because damage isn’t high
it’s because classes like sub rogue high winds and hpal are immune to damage when you stack all of their % dmg taken modifiers
wanton breach
So external CD +def+high winds stack?
pearl warren
scenario:
wanton breach
Like cumulative
pearl warren
rogue is stunned
rogue has armor, vers, feint dr if you had any foresight or awareness in said scenario
paladin presses sac
1m cd
-30%
don’t forget all the other dmg taken mods
that are stacking
moonkin casts cyclone on arena 1
we’ll say it’s a shadow priest
for fun
the shadow priest is now in a 6s undispellable cc
don’t forget he’ll be doing reduced healing and damage for 4 seconds after he leaves the cyclone
paladin who just used sac is on pillar 40 yards away
the rogue with 2s left in the stun (ballpark)
is full hp because the other team has decided hitting into sac is a waste of time
(good call)
too bad the paladin is 90 yards away now
because he got on his horse and retreated to the furthest pillar from any enemies
he is now los, out of combat regen-ing (probably, since he’ll be afk for the duration of his sac)
wanton breach
Why do I imagine all paladins have a weakauras that plays look at my horse, my horse is amazing whenever they use divine steed
pearl warren
every single tournament player that gets results (consistently) has their ui or mehhx telling them what cds to trade on every dr
or wizk or jellybeans
who just have raw awareness
through game quantity rather than quality
wanton breach
Moonkin might swap cyclone on trinket so one is out of the game and the other is high winds
In theory
pearl warren
oh well if they swap clone it gets more fun because now the guy who left the clone has high winds immediately and the rogue who trinketed the stun is now cloned
and the shadow priest sure as heck isn’t about to deal any damage while his rogue is in a cyclone
internet went out
cool canadian isp
maybe they can do some damage next go
(probably not)
pearl warren
or wizk or jellybeans
or the shaman guy who has the rwf weakaura team bound to him by contract
i don’t like to name cheaters by name
maybe he’s a lizard now
never know, so many masks
wanton breach
or the shaman guy who has the rwf weakaura team bound to him by contract
Wtf
wanton breach
are you gonna stream or record your gameplay of the tournament?
wanton breach
Oh, I assumed you were playing
pearl warren
so i just share how to win games with rogues i think could be better than me in the future
my choice in teammates is notoriously…. questionable
wanton breach
well learning from mistakes might also apply to aspects outside of gameplay
pearl warren
yeah trying to cover my bases with apologies
mostly because i spent my streaming career begging for my teammates to tell me how to improve only to have them micromanage my gameplay instead
inefficient
i asked to be taught, not controlled
didn’t seem like a big deal to me so i move on
don’t forget all the delightful in game whispers and mail about how detestable my gameplay is 🥰
always from the losing side of the arena
very easy to assume all of your viewers are enemies when the only feedback you see is negative
surely that could garner some sympathy here of all places
wanton breach
harsh steppe
what is the benefit of shadowmeld? seems useless since you can't move w/o breaking stealth?
wanton breach
you can stealth from shadowmeld, you can cancel abilities on you
pearl warren
so they crutch on nelf to restealth
harsh steppe
you can stealth from shadowmeld, you can cancel abilities on you
ohh wow nice
pearl warren
oh it’s highlighted on my twitch I believe
wanton breach
stealth and combat are so fucking buggy
pearl warren
well
that happens when the combat source code is nearly 20 years old
at least I’d expect it to
things do get outdated
especially old lazy code with easily exploitable loopholes
the tech “was”
if any night elf players last combat interaction was with the rogue
wanton breach
went to check it out but the clip is sub only
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/388921608 if you meant this one
pearl warren
yah that’s it
pearl warren
if any night elf players last combat interaction was with the rogue
when the rogue drops combat; so does the last night elf to interact with said rogue
I’d love to sit down and explain how and why combat drops every single time in this clip
i believe it’s around a 3m game
wanton breach
make a youtube video?
pearl warren
yeah leme upload something rq
my isp just finished throttling me for browsing my phone in the morning
so i would turn off wifi
and spoon feed them 5g
very clever
/s
bandwidth cannot handle upload
so i stream low quality gameplay or nothing at all
it’s been mostly patched up tho iirc
(combat)
but maybe night elves still restealth for free every time a warlock fears them
haven’t played nelf in a bit
destro was the big offender, think it had something to do with conflag root
wanton breach
is the frost mage proc root still on a different dr than normal root effects?
wanton breach
what do you mean by that?
pearl warren
comparison to wrath is good here
when cheap and kidney didn’t dr each other despite both being stuns
wrath of the lich king was such a cool expansion to be a rogue
if you could tolerate leveling or getting your account hacked through curse cookies
the whole journey to reach endgame
most pvp players are only interested in endgame (competitive thinkers)
sidetracked sorry
pearl warren
yep