pvp

[gritty bobcat]

Bc i feel like u just want to have as much melee damage possible

[minor cape]

well here is where mastery comes in

🫡

[gritty bobcat]

No like weapon swing

Not just main gauche

Like when u play some classes ur meele is number 3

Sometimes

Fury warrior

Assas rogue

[minor cape]

🤔

nah man

mastery will result in more overall

its not like its always like that

last season was all crit outlaw

just saying what is meta rn

[gritty bobcat]

Our 4 set is hooorrible

And 2 set

[minor cape]

idk i play sub 😎

[gritty bobcat]

Its basically like

20k damagw

Lol

[minor cape]

just going by what other people have tested here

oh yeah lol, it is

not sure if laws play tier set

[gritty bobcat]

They dont

But people have it just bc

Like to switch to suv

Sub

[minor cape]

yeah im honestly waiting for outlaw to become good so i can learn to play it and have some other spec other than sub to play

🫡

[gritty bobcat]

Play assas

[minor cape]

i hate assas

[gritty bobcat]

Its also fun

If u like sub then maybe u will like feral?

[minor cape]

thinking of surv hunter

heard it was the 4th rogue spec

[gritty bobcat]

Hunter is tough af esp surv

Bm is zzz tho

[minor cape]

yeah bm is bot spec

[gritty bobcat]

Kill comand barb rinse repeat Xd

Unholy dk bm is good rn

[minor cape]

isnt feral more of a tunneling guy

[gritty bobcat]

It is but u cc a lot

Like sub

[minor cape]

thats pretty cool wish there was a feral but that is like not an animal lol

[gritty bobcat]

U maim

Bash

Cyclone

Shadowmeld stun

[minor cape]

its like a blind except people in shuffle wont break it

[gritty bobcat]

Pretty annoying to face a good feral in 2s

[minor cape]

🙏

oh yeah man

its like if you dont kill a feral in 2 goes as sub you loose

[gritty bobcat]

Think im going to give up on the outlaw dream

[unreal pelican]

Outlaw just seems weird

what does it do

besides look cool

like id get it if it was “tankier fighter rogue” but isnt it easier to kill than sub lol

[nova viper]

Big question

if u are want be casual funny pvp player, made 1.8k-2k on solo or 2vs2/3vs3 race mater? xD

[fossil sierra]

no

[acoustic junco]

haste is god awful for outlaw this expansion in PVP and PVE. It's energy and auto attacks, if you run out of energy you start running tea builds. Easiest way to see how bad haste is go war mode, run take your cut and take em by surprise talent. Mouse over your auto attack DPS on details. You gain 30% haste and it's still only 7k DPS.

If you stack mastery, main gauche actually does damage, ends up being your 3rd highest damage generally. It procs on every main attack for 15-25k damage, which is pretty significant because lmao 15k sinister strikes. Crit lost so much value this season due to crit nerf

[potent pivot]

Having some crit is still good. You just don’t hard stack it anymore.

[waxen meteor]

No

[acoustic junco]

I mean sure. crit is still good but the statement about lost value still stands

it was nerfed by ~14% and when more than half your damage was crit, it was a big nerf to outlaw

[torn stump]

How do everybody think about [Slice and Dice] in PVP?

[steep loom]

I mean...I take mastery/vers and then haste/vers when theres not a mastery option on my outlaw and it feels fantastic. However I do run an unorthodox build

[acoustic junco]

you build crafted pieces for those slots

[potent pivot]

As outlaw you want to take crit over haste generally

[steep loom]

I think I only have the ring and 1 other piece with haste on it

Besides the trinket

Everything else is vers/mast or just straight vers(engineering)

[potent pivot]

You use it as long as you’re not in the middle of a burst window/go

[torn stump]

As I know, many player hate this skill...

[potent pivot]

It’s more dmg

Yeah a lot of people don’t like it, but it’s still good to press it

[torn stump]

People think [Slice and Dice] affects rhythm.

[torn stump]

agree, and maybe make it be a Passive Skills better. Or del and replace it.

[unreal pelican]

I mean just think about it as a second rupture no?

Also works well with wep enchants i think

[surreal barn]

I like it

Sometimes I need shadow dance back and am not close to my enemy

[dull escarp]

Whats the easiest way to unlock the 1k8 pvp appearance for a non pvp enjoyer ?
Havent played pvp this xpac yet idk if the new soloq stuff is easy to grind on low ratings compared to arena/rbg

[potent pivot]

Solo shuffle or rgb prolly

[dull escarp]

what sub build would you recommend for low ratin solo shuffle ?

Given i havent played rotten in pve, so i would probably be more comfy with db/flag but idk what ppl usually play

and im curious about that

[torn stump]

now, I think only subtlety better for PVP.

[potent pivot]

Generally I’d recommend rotten, one sec

Rotten or the DM+DB build

Flag build is kinda gimicky/one shot style play, might not be the best if you’re not used to setting up goes in pvp

DM+DB is a little less to worry about, main thing is DM stacks during your Dance windows and getting a big sec tech

[gritty heart]

hi

anyone know what i should write for Focus macro

[gleaming pawn]

depends on exactly what you want to do

this is a simple blind macro with focus target activated by Ctrl press
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:ctrl,@focus,exists,nodead,harm] [] Blind

[fossil monolith]

is outlaw viable in 2.2k+ rated games

[gleaming pawn]

in solo shuffle, not so much. You'll be in for a really rough time. 2s and 3s, reports are that yes it is viable

[fossil monolith]

ty

[torn stump]

What improvements do you hope to make in version patch 10.2.0?

[minor cape]

i hope they replace secret tech with big eviscerate

[jolly sierra]

make me endure more the zug

[potent pivot]

Shuriken combo

[minor cape]

no

noooooooooo

panda you up?

[jolly sierra]

and hope next tier wont break my stealth

im in bed

[minor cape]

wanna do 2s?

[jolly sierra]

what happened

ahhhh wait an hour then, this shit needs to cool itself

[potent pivot]

You asked, now you shall RECEIVE

[jolly sierra]

that is the problem of being poor lol

[minor cape]

poor pc 😦

(i dont mean broke pc i mean i feel bad for it)

[potent pivot]

There’s a lot of macros in #pvp-faq

[torn stump]

that's true

[torn stump]

what's big eviscerate?

[jolly sierra]

death from above

= D

[torn stump]

oh, I see, that skill very good, but now is pvp telent

and 15range

I hope del Slice and Dice

and the telent tree more better than now.

Now Rogue Tree in 1and2 storey is basie rogue skill.

I think the designer have no idea with good talent so they make the basie skill to telent.

by the way, which channal talking rogue remake?

[stoic spruce]

I wish outlaw to bring more dam to the table as well as it having the tree looked at

I feel like very very few of the talents interact with each other

[minor cape]

nah i meant just bigger evis dam

[stoic spruce]

The dreeeeam, remember the dreeaamm.

[torn stump]

that's easy, I think they will buff dam, but other difficult to say.

I think assassination and outlaw need big buff.

[fierce horizon]

Hi guys new to assass wondering if there is a single target 1v1 pvp talent i can look at for pure single target or would it be the same as 2v2 and 3v3 typical setups?

[torn stump]

what about this?

[fierce horizon]

I think that is not the same spec as me i dont recognise

[torn stump]

or this

[fierce horizon]

I think that is the subtlety one?

[torn stump]

do you mean you prefer 2nd one?

[minor cape]

@jolly sierra nvm panda

[jolly sierra]

yeeeeah

[minor cape]

playing w some mage dude

[jolly sierra]

u cheated on me

[minor cape]

so we dont loose ur ret rating

where you at on ret?

[stoic spruce]

Nooooooooo

[jolly sierra]

like 1k7

[minor cape]

oh oke me 2

[jolly sierra]

but we can try 3s if u have ur priest friend

so everybody is happy

[jolly sierra]

be straight with what is he talking about

[jolly sierra]

sec lemme show u my tree

before i go to buy bread

[torn stump]

ok, expect

[minor cape]

priest guy not up

[jolly sierra]

understandable have a nice day

priest machine broke

[jolly sierra]

the build usually is very standard

some ppl go like this too

[minor cape]

yaaas good build

(i know nothing about assas)

[jolly sierra]

kek

[minor cape]

🤪

[torn stump]

Choosing this talent is not much in high levels.

[minor cape]

this exsang?

when i tried assas in s1 i couldnt understand it at all tbh xd

i also dont get why people call it the easiest spec

[jolly sierra]

filler talent

depends of player

[torn stump]

what about this? but assassination maybe not a good talent in this version.

[jolly sierra]

awful

losing both SBS and suffocating is just losing a lot of dps

also, no doomblade, so -2% overall dmg from lethal dose

[fierce horizon]

how am i meant to use master assassin all ican think of is dotting everything and vanishing so they crit lol

[gleaming pawn]

you don't, it's just a passive because all of the points over there suck ass

it's one of those, least worst options you have to take to get to points you actually want

[torn stump]

what about this?

[jolly sierra]

no

u wasted in that shiv the poison procs

[torn stump]

I think VV & TTB make energy good, better than SOB.

[jolly sierra]

the thing is

shiv compared to another talent slots

is weaker

than more poison damage

[torn stump]

do you mean like this?

[jolly sierra]

master poisoner slot is optional

but yeah

ppl is leaning for this atm

[fierce horizon]

Does cold blood work for dots or just one time hits

[jolly sierra]

one time hits

dont bother chosing that

[pale storm]

I run this as assa in 3s

BMQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFQLJkgIJlEAAAAAAAJAIJAAAAAAASJE0SikkEpkSSSkQSkkYBA

[torn stump]

I think play subtlety better for pvp.

[torn stump]

who is ppl? is he top rogue?

[gleaming pawn]

short for people

[dull escarp]

do ppl farm dm stacks more than in pve ?

[jolly sierra]

ppl with top rating

[torn stump]

what's his name?

oh, cool

[wary spire]

Edaniel.

[jolly sierra]

edaniel-draenor

[torn stump]

why his short name is ppl...

[gleaming pawn]

the shameless plug, you love to see it 😄

no no

ppl=people

another good assa rogue to look for is Shadenox

[torn stump]

... i am stupid

[gleaming pawn]

nah, just not an acronym you were familiar with

[torn stump]

i know one rogue, name is pikaboo. what about him now?

[torn stump]

oh, are you edaniel? so you are the best?

[gleaming pawn]

Pikaboo primarily plays Sub

[jolly sierra]

yeah he is the best

[torn stump]

yes, and i like sub, so i know him.

[torn stump]

is it 3v3 the best? which server?

[jolly sierra]

draenor

[crisp gulch]

im having a hard time trying to find the best build for sub seems like everyone is running something different

[gleaming pawn]

the general go to spec for this season is the Rotten+Sec Tech build from the FAQ

[crisp gulch]

is vigor really needed tho?

[potent pivot]

Kinda yeah

[gleaming pawn]

if you feel like you play better without it, then you can change the class talents around a bit

[potent pivot]

You can gain stacks from stuns etc @dull escarp so some people dance->stun but I wouldn’t really recommend going to that extent

You can likely hit 1.8k doing w/e rotation, just cc as much as you can and try to use stuns for dance windows etc

[jolly sierra]

this season is still deflated tho

in regular brackets

[minor cape]

fellas drop pvp

panda teached me how to coom

in trial of style

we need ranked trial of style

😎

[dull escarp]

yea im just gonna pve rotation them ass to 1k8

[minor cape]

not at all

[jolly sierra]

coom

did u won?

[minor cape]

not once

[jolly sierra]

today is shadowlands

[crisp gulch]

so this is essentially what ive come up with for the left side

[minor cape]

this is good yes

except swap movespeed for sprint talent

its really good with rotten

[crisp gulch]

now on the right side i get hella confused, i know what i want at the bottom, but for the middle, am i taking the shadow dance 4 combo point talent

[jolly sierra]

ppl has no idea and used random shit

[minor cape]

you play that movespeed in double dps 2s

mostly

and rbg

but to take it you swap out wound poison one instead

[minor cape]

show build

[jolly sierra]

and here is me w the elite s2 plates

[minor cape]

ill help

[minor cape]

shouldve flexed mine on rogue in trial

[jolly sierra]

kek

got 1st place again

[minor cape]

youre too good at this

[jolly sierra]

gimme pvp trial of style

[minor cape]

okay swap gloomblade for dance time

and swap the shadowstep cdr

[crisp gulch]

isnt gloomblade needed?

[minor cape]

to weaponmaster

no not at all

you arent trying to sustain in this

[crisp gulch]

really i see so many people running it

[minor cape]

but trying to burst

[crisp gulch]

yeah im looking for max burst damage

[minor cape]

yeah you can do that but its really not needed

some people play some non sectech sustainier type of build but idk

you can also run vanish shield instead of dance time

i do but people say its not necessary

[minor cape]

well +1s of dance > gloom

[crisp gulch]

does weapon master proc add a combo point?

[minor cape]

yes it does

but mostly it is taken for big dam if it procs on your rotten

you can play with quick decisions instead

its also fine

but i think its not that good w rotten

im 1.8 guy btw so my advice may not be 100% correct

🫡

[jolly sierra]

well

season is deflated af

ur opinion matters as rog tho

[minor cape]

aggreed, every rog opinion matters

Opinion matters tier list:
S - Rogue
A - Warlock, Mage, Hunter, Monk
B - Priest, Paladin, Dk, Shaman
C - Warrior, Evoker
D - Healer and DH tier

[jolly sierra]

me warrior

[minor cape]

me smash

[jolly sierra]

me win

[minor cape]

he stun healer me die

me dont care me zug next game

[crisp gulch]

bro i wish we didnt have so many options this is infuriating lol

[minor cape]

nah man there is so much viable stuff

these trees slap

😩

[jolly sierra]

try assa and ur options narrows a lot lol

[crisp gulch]

im good, i never liked asa

if i wanted to play asa id just make a feral

[jolly sierra]

fair point

[crisp gulch]

can you generate enough points to do heavy burst without first dance

or is it required i see most people dont run it

[gleaming pawn]

play outlaw then, there's really only one build to play 🙂

and you even get to keep shadow dance!

[jolly sierra]

i will laugh a lot

if he says

[minor cape]

absolutely can

[jolly sierra]

"no way if i wanted to play outlaw id just make a warrior"

[minor cape]

most people play other node

in that

with energy regeb

with rotten you get capped on combopoints from shadowstrike anyway

the only real benefit to first dance is that you can sometimes dance kidney from 1 cp

but most the time you will build cp before

[bold steppe]

Hello. How good is rmp right now? And would sin be ok to play in it instead of sub?

[jolly sierra]

yeah both options are ok

[gleaming pawn]

quite strong with the mage buffs, and always a top option for rogues

[minor cape]

that shit is timeless

but i as a braindead prefer lock or spriest or ret

[jolly sierra]

ret goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

sadly brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr'nt against healers cuz wheelchair

[minor cape]

just a 2s thing

doesnt work anymore

sad

[jolly sierra]

but w double dps

oof

gg

[minor cape]

rm is the only thing that works out of double dps

sad

[jolly sierra]

im going ww in SS rn

saw too few rating so i wanna fix it

[minor cape]

dude it pumps like hell

[jolly sierra]

i know

[minor cape]

you go duelist tommorow

[jolly sierra]

kek

ended 3-3 with a +42 earning

the pressure was inhuman in a moment

[bold steppe]

Awesome, thanks! Does anyone know any streamers who run rmp right now? Preferably from a rogue pov but I'll take whatever y'all got.

[jolly sierra]

raz tho

[languid ravine]

anyone knows whats causing my character window to be obscured by the green text stating which enchantments I have?

It didnt used to just 12 hours ago

[solemn stream]

Heyo i have a quick question. Im a pve assa/sub (and a bit outlaw) andy who is fully geared for that and i only have 1 spark left. I wanted to play some pvp cause the mog looks cool, my keybinds are also kinda made for pve and not really pvp. Any suggestions on which spec to play in solo shuffle or what would make the most sense to craft with that 1 spark?

[idle tulip]

Still looking for rogues to be our guest experts on the podcast

[gleaming pawn]

all 3 specs are using the CC/Kicks > Agi proc boots, so that would be an easy first craft

your second craft depends on personal preference, sporecloak helps survival since rogues are often the kill target on your way to 1800

[pearl warren]

ask kalvish

[rotund fulcrum]

(Not an answer to your question) With crafted gear being pretty good in PvP this season I just ended up having a second rogue for PvP only

[idle tulip]

If he agrees, that'll be 2 of Dukamified that'll have been on the show. 😆

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHHHHHHHH

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHHHHHHH

@minor cape RAHHHHHHH

Yall can thank me for the putlaw buffs btw

[tawny kestrel]

now i do have a question actually cus im not a theory crafting expert here but does this auto attack buff affect main gauche at all

[stoic spruce]

I manifested them the other day

[tawny kestrel]

im not sure how main gauche scales

is it off auto attack damage?

[jolly sierra]

what a fucking miracle

[stoic spruce]

I assume so, I can't imagine why it wouldnt.

[languid ravine]

I m 95% sure Main gauche is ability damage

shows yellow number

[tawny kestrel]

what does it scale off of tho

[stoic spruce]

Doe

[tawny kestrel]

nvm its just an ability the pve channel says

[stoic spruce]

He's right

[tawny kestrel]

still nice outlaw buffs

[narrow tangle]

another buff to warr :o

[stoic spruce]

That's just pve

They changed the format

[gleaming pawn]

I’d still say we need another 5% as outlaw, but still I’ll take anything at this point

[quaint cedar]

Hey at least blizzard remembered we exist

Tbh I was expecting us to get nothing until the rework

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah true

[jolly sierra]

got a sub rogue which dueled against a spriest for gold

the guy won

the rog dced

[shut solstice]

Hmmmmmm

Is outlaw eating again?

Hmmmmmm

[gleaming pawn]

Maybe, it’ll certainly help but I wouldn’t say it’s going to make Outlaw amazing or the go to spec or anything

Letting an outlaw sit and do their rotation on your team is going to hurt just that much more though

[waxen meteor]

It feels SP nerf is fairly big?

[white gazelle]

Why so many outlaws popping up

[stoic spruce]

5% buff

[gleaming pawn]

we've always been here

[jolly sierra]

reached 1840

gatekeeping is huge

at 2s

[tawny kestrel]

good thing it doesnt apply to pvp isnt it

[jolly sierra]

some does affect

[tawny kestrel]

sp healing just got buffed in pvp nothing else

[jolly sierra]

got buffed too tho

[tawny kestrel]

those are nerfs

the other change is a buff

sp damage didnt get any pvp nerfs

[jolly sierra]

:l

well, im sticking to the ww then

[unreal pelican]

Death from above never hits harder than sec tec does it?

[narrow tangle]

its evis with dash

yes

[gleaming pawn]

DFA sadly, is just a meme

very niche uses these days

[waxen meteor]

It reads like this applies to all

I don’t recall how much % it makes in SP dmg profile, but it’s like first dot they add right?

Not the burst dmg but very high up time, sometimes on multiple targets

Shadow word pain goes with vampiric touch

[halcyon timber]

Yes the throw it up on everyone and their grandma

They*

[gleaming pawn]

you missed the part in the post where it said every change unless otherwise noted, does not effect pvp

[unreal pelican]

Hahahahaa wtf

I got a conq weapon

And now my secret techs on the dummies are doing 440k

up from like a max of 270k XD

I didnt realise it was this crazy

[gleaming pawn]

weapon damage is a rogue's greatest upgrade, ever, by miles

[unreal pelican]

Oh nvm ._.

I was hitting the dungeoneers dummy xd

Its still a big upgrade though!

[minor cape]

OH PEE OH PEE

i fucking cant its so funny

have you seen a single patchnote which increased auto attack damage

in dragonflight

except for that one

its like if they buffed dispatch it woul be too good

🤩

[gleaming pawn]

Technically they did with that ability buff. Prelim estimates from the pve side is it’s around a 4%ish overall increase in damage

[crisp gulch]

quick question, is secret technique bugged, or nerfed in pvp?

cuz its only hitting for about 64k

this is with cold blood and everything

@ 442 pvp ilvl

nvm im stupid

thats per hit

not sure why the combat log is only showing 1 hit though

[tawny kestrel]

no. read the very top of the post

[stoic spruce]

OH PEEEEE OH PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[marble oasis]

There is a known range bug.
you must be within the original 5yard melee range not the 8 yards gained from the increased range talent
as the AOE that secret tech does is 5yards not your current melee range

[minor cape]

should br anywhere between 95k to 130k per hit on dummy

[marble oasis]

missed the per hit thing >.<

but yes secret tech is nerfed in pvp a fair bit

but also if you're using details to gauge this you might need to turn on pet damage
as only the initial hit is done by you

[wary spire]

So glad I'm done with this season

[marble oasis]

i wanted to try push myself for atleast 2100 rating. but i like talking about the game but dislike playing it.

[nova viper]

maaaan

paladin is soooo op

[marble oasis]

i mean they are our hard counter

[wary spire]

Like rogues and warriors. Like rogues and other rogues.

[dapper chasm]

Damn rogues, they ruined PvP

[marble oasis]

ye that damn class with the lowest representation ruining the whole game. 😛
I do love when people say that

[proven kayak]

How is the solo shuffle queues ? Are they still long I haven’t played like for months

[torn stump]

Can someone suggest to designer del or passive Slice and Dice?

[surreal barn]

Around 1800 and lower they are relatively faster than they have been, 2k+ a little longer (at least yesterday for me)

[proven kayak]

please determinate faster like 10 mins or its 30mins+ on 1800 and 1hr at 2200+ ?

Im talking about eu aswell idk in which server you are playing

[surreal barn]

USA ~10 mins 1800 17-25mins 2k

[proven kayak]

tyvm i suppose there is smth liek this on eu aswell

[surreal barn]

Is this shuffle

[dapper chasm]

it is

[surreal barn]

😂

[surreal barn]

I don’t think I’ve matched with another sub since last season go buy a lottery ticket

[stable urchin]

How is outlaw in 2s?

[pale storm]

What mmr is this? lol that looks miserable

[stoic spruce]

Good

[wary spire]

Assa went 6-0, right?

[waxen meteor]

Hell you are right!

Hidden here

[wary spire]

Huh.

Usually it's the other way around.

I like this way better

Feels like it's deliberate and not just "whoopsies, we forgot about pvp nerds".

[unreal pelican]

I wanna play assa as well as sub, but why they got so many binds

dont have enough fingers to press all these damn buttons

[dapper chasm]

The score was 3-3 iirc, one healer couldn't keep up

I shall not name which one

But it rhymes with shmovoker

[spring bough]

do i deck out the unholy DK or my hunter with conquest boxes

[stoic spruce]

Dk

[jolly sierra]

dk

[stoic spruce]

Me

[jolly sierra]

donkey kong

[cursive umbra]

Hunter

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHHH

[minor cape]

if u are a 2s only player then hunter

[stoic spruce]

hunter is actually a much safer choice

[minor cape]

[stoic spruce]

dk gets nerfed pretty fast when it's really good

[minor cape]

hunter kinda does too

except bm

[stoic spruce]

I dont remember the last time hunter was nerfed

[minor cape]

which is zzz spec anyway

mmship is kind of in frost dk pre 10.1.5 state

[stoic spruce]

I think I will buy some overpriced candy to make my brain produce happy chemeical

[minor cape]

pre 10.1*

[minor cape]

drugs in pvp chat 😎😎😎

[stoic spruce]

soooo true bestie

[spring bough]

went with the DK

gonna see how far i can push it in solo lol

[jolly sierra]

flintstone gummies

[minor cape]

poppers

[stoic spruce]

my cart is at 107 moners

im not done yet

oh my god sailor moon soda

YO THEY GOT LIQUID GOKU

[jolly sierra]

i still miss drinking mountain dew

[stoic spruce]

they have lots of flavors now

I should try one

$208.06

deletes cart

[jolly sierra]

oof

[spring bough]

unholy feels invincible with death strikes lol

only in random bgs but can stay up for a nice while using them lol

[stoic spruce]

because theres no damp

and youre rarely a target

rip healers

[jolly sierra]

yesterday did a 2k mmr game against a holy and a warr

we just won by dampening

the guy even went to drink in it xdd

also fkn dks killed me in a global sometimes

[spring bough]

trying to gear this guy up more and figure out which build i like best lol

[surreal barn]

Army of the dead is no joke if you happen to not have defensives avail

[jolly sierra]

at least has less deads in pvp

[surreal barn]

True - all adds up though. I imagine dk is scarier as assa

[jolly sierra]

SL s3 assa

with the fkn sepsis

[stoic spruce]

I remember that lol

I also remember fighting it on my dk and AMSing it immediately and wathing the rogue panic as my health bar didnt move

[jolly sierra]

poor rogue

yesterday i killed an assa w my monk trolling my healer

[spring bough]

having a blast as unholy just dotting everything up and smashing death coils lol

[jolly sierra]

a fucker used the ranged hit by 90k at me and then killed me bursting 4 pustules by 40k each

[spring bough]

clawing shadows? lol so troll

[jolly sierra]

yeah that shit

[spring bough]

nice 30 yard melee

shadow damage too lol

[jolly sierra]

dude expect Popo will get nerfed again

[stoic spruce]

ive landed many killing blows without popping wounds thanks to clawing shadows

before the damage redistribution

[jolly sierra]

god dammit

[stoic spruce]

It's such a good spell

I never don't use it even though the alternative is better

[jolly sierra]

well

the fkn range is sick af

[stoic spruce]

30 yards and its instant

big pp spell

unholy has so much cool shit

if only they would remove wounds

but that would probably cause clawing shadows to longer be a thing because blizzard

[jolly sierra]

i think they will nerfed again and drop to garbo tier

[spring bough]

im already at 1400 with the DK

this is too eazy hit a 6-0 lol

going for rival today why not LOL

[jolly sierra]

a guy here got 1k6 in blues

insisted him by dm to go 1k8 and did it easily

[spring bough]

got my 2 set already now im on the hunt for 4 lol

getting 83k death coils with 2 set is wild lol

[jolly sierra]

i got 90k hits in fkn death coils

[junior osprey]

Hey, I see alot of rogues running Life-Bound Cap instead of the Engineering head. Wouldn't the engineering head be better with only mastery? Or do we need the vers?

[toxic yarrow]

What spec

[jolly sierra]

unholy

[spring bough]

yeah doing the top build it seems like

going for the disease talents

death coil just does so much damage its insane lol. i just keybound it to my mouse and spam it lol

1705 already lmao this is too easy

[jolly sierra]

god ppl is really going far w that

[surreal barn]

I have the engineer on one rogue and life bound on the other, just so you are at least 30 versatility total and stack mastery after that you’re in pretty good shape

[spring bough]

i hit an MMR wall lmao

went 5-1 to get to 1705 and have back to back 4-2s for 0 rating lmfao

28-11 right now lmao

[unreal pelican]

anyone knowledgeable about assa know which build in the faq would be a good build to start with

[glass bear]

For shuffle or what content?

[jolly sierra]

i have one list above

lemme search it

something like this

u can flex points for the highlighted ones and change exsang too

[unreal pelican]

Solo shuffle mainly

So is this like a cleaving build?

or do I mainly focusing on dpsing the one enemy?

[surreal barn]

I’ve been hearing this a lot lately

[unreal pelican]

One other question, is bone spike broken against dummies?

Its just doing like 1 hit of damage and then disappearing

[untold sail]

did anyone try fang adornments ? if so does it matter if you use it in mh/oh and with a dagger or mace/sword/axe ?

faced an outlaw in 2s, it did 10% of his damage

[narrow tangle]

it deals damage till out of combat so it may not work well on dummy but i dont know dummy physiques

[unreal pelican]

Does it work on players?

A permanent dot?

[potent pivot]

no

it falls off when they drop combat

[unreal pelican]

oh but if they dont itll last all game

[potent pivot]

technically yea but it's more common than not that someone will drop combat

and the dot dmg is kinda negligible anyway unfortunately

[pearl warren]

bonespike is for the % modifier on everything else

lethal concoctions i think it’s called idr

also most energy efficient direct dmg

hits harder than ambush, applies a dot, 30yd range, 15 energy

[potent pivot]

ye, still good to have. the dot is just kinda w/e outside of the extra modifier

[pearl warren]

i love stacking %modifiers

[potent pivot]

ofc

kinda the name of the game for wow

[unreal pelican]

Does having multiple bone spikes in them stack the dot?

[pearl warren]

no

you only need to apply bonespike to 1 target once

additional spikes give more cp

but not more dmg

[fossil sierra]

hows rogue feeling in shuffle? I dont really have anyone to play with atm as they've all quit and was thinking about rolling a rogue.

[jolly sierra]

from a ret

[jolly sierra]

i use it in OH, its very good

[potent pivot]

it's doing well imo

[unreal pelican]

Ive been having alot of fun in shuffle as rogue!

Theres obviously a learning curve but nothing feels better than having direct correlation between your cc and winning a round

Most if my other classes i just dealt damage and then someone died, i didnt really feel like i was the reason they died

I still clip every time i cc chain a healer into a kill lol

[fossil sierra]

dope, thanks

[pearl warren]

perhaps

[wanton breach]

next week outlaw will be good, right guys? right?

[spring bough]

wont believe it till i see it lol

[faint valve]

There's actually a different build for the full cleave with the Crimson Tempest and Arterial Precision.

[languid ravine]

Just put like two Hook hands and an eyepatch on your windwalker

make a touch of death macro called "between the eyes" and give it a pistol icon

[pearl warren]

already is (not shuffle)

[wanton breach]

even for us mere mortal rogues?

[pearl warren]

i am bad

outlaw prey 10%

outlaw only spec that can play 2x 15% movespeed amp

outlaw base energy regen highest (only need to auto attack someone for energy)

outlaw passive dmg highest (assa doesn’t count bc dmg from the grave is fake)

all of these things can be abused by any rogue one trick

oh and ur autos cleave with this blade flurry button, that’s cool

[stoic spruce]

None of that matters if the dam isn't good

[pearl warren]

read prey on the weak tooltip

read subterfuge while you’re at it

[stoic spruce]

Compare the damage to every other melee spec while you're talking modifiers to poopy damage.

[tawny kestrel]

every other melee doesnt have as much cc as outlaw does

[stoic spruce]

No way

I did not know that

Well shit

Guess nerf outlaw

Doesn't need to do dam when it has CC

[tawny kestrel]

damage is fine too

just not fine for shuffle

cus 0 burst

[pearl warren]

and plate armour

but ya outlaw doesn’t rly have dmg issues in a lot of matchups

and the matchups you can’t deal dmg, you have the highest survivability, cc, and movement

play better 4head

[stoic spruce]

I wish I could play the same game yall do

[pearl warren]

no u do not

[stoic spruce]

You're probably right

Rmp is probably the meta

[pale storm]

What spec y’all running primarily for outlaw raz and nessper?

[pearl warren]

not finalized

but hidden opp+greenskin best imo

vers=mast=crit

good luck simming pvp stat weights

[wanton breach]

which com could you play outlaw in 3s?

[untold sail]

can you stack two embellishments ? for example having 2x fang adornments ?

[jolly sierra]

the embelishment is unique-equipped

[pearl warren]

hope the reactions help

[pearl warren]

false

[pearl warren]

yes, you can

[jolly sierra]

i have one of those daggers w that tooltip

[pearl warren]

you mean the megadungeon daggers?

[jolly sierra]

no

the crafted one

[tawny kestrel]

yeah its unique equipped (2)

its an embellishment

you can have 2

[jolly sierra]

but that means u can have 2 precog in the same gearset?

[tawny kestrel]

sure, but it wouldnt do anything

[jolly sierra]

well

[jolly sierra]

guys

for a pevoker what would be the safest comp between an assa rog, a ww, a warr and a ret for 2s to get 2k1?

played w the assa yesterday and lose almost all, then went warr and happened the inverse

[jaunty osprey]

They all work

[grand lily]

hey all Im returning to the game after a break and I keep seeing people say sin is awful and doesn't do any damage is that true?

[languid ravine]

no, it does actually do damage

[grand lily]

Oh. Then why do I see so many people say it's not worth playing right now?

[languid ravine]

you are the prime target in almost every lobby, also way too many holypals and smorc lobbies

and theres also a few more soft counters such as dark iron dwarf, surv hunt and whatever else

but it is viable and playable imo

[grand lily]

Ah I see. Yeah Im fine with that then. So long as it's viable.

[jolly sierra]

fine, im sticking in warr till we see too much losses, ty

[marble oasis]

@jolly sierra proud of me? only taken me 1.5 weeks to get the damn weapon xD
https://i.imgur.com/A4EWwMZ.png

[jolly sierra]

nice wep lol 1800 conq for that shit is not a joke

[marble oasis]

didn't help i kept getting distracted by wanting to crush people on my rogue due to being undergeared xD

[jolly sierra]

ME SMASH

[languid ravine]

DH in my lobby pops darkness at 8% hp

..it absorbbed 500k damage LMAO

well he still died

[jolly sierra]

dh killed me in 3 seconds w my assa after i almost killed him in 3 minutes

[surreal barn]

DH just melt lately idk

Except the random veng DH god I hate those

[languid ravine]

yeah Havoc feels very mid lately

its like the ultimate mid spec

you can pretend to be a caster in melee lobbies and vice versa

and skill floor and ceiling are very mid too

all your abilities have medium range

its both very squishy and very tanky

[spring bough]

i keep trying the 375 boxes to chance a wep.... i think im about to just start saving up lmao

[jolly sierra]

too much gacha for a wep tho

yeah, better save 1k8

or if is an alt go to wintergrasp 1st for free conq then do the weekly and keep going like that

yesterday i matched a lot of mages w my warr

god matches were sweaty af but won most of them

except one where a fire mage killed me even without using combust

[marble oasis]

Honestly i'd save up. i did that it feel slower but who knows you could go through more than 5 boxes could have already brought it at that point.

then go further and end up pulling the wrong stat 2H

[languid ravine]

boxes only ever seem worth it if you still missing like 3-4 tier pieces and maybe a few off pieces

[marble oasis]

or your sending conquest from another character

[jolly sierra]

i did gacha w the chests for my warr cuz i lacked trinkets and 450 tier

ended getting both tier slots i lacked at 450

[spring bough]

man ending up at 1789 having to do one more lobby has me sweating lol

[jolly sierra]

keep going

[spring bough]

finally did it after two whole days of solo lol. rival on the unholy DK

[jolly sierra]

gratz i knew you were able to

fkn dks are ez af to rival it seems

[livid sparrow]

I'm trying to find a consumable item for pvp which is a bomb that pushes enemies; does anyone know the name?

[jolly sierra]

its the bomb from bloody token vendor

dunno the name exactly but its sold by him

pest fogger

[unreal pelican]

one day i hope gearing will be gone

I love playing alts and usually have like, 5 classes i wanna play

but man,

Getting honor gear is worse than torture

[gleaming pawn]

Blizzard tried that back in Legion, people hated it because they did it badly. So I wouldn’t hold my breath on it ever coming back

[unreal pelican]

._.

[wary spire]

Was it really that bad or people just whined because they couldn't pwn alts in random bgs?

[wary spire]

What even happened here

[last jasper]

got that wep from vault on my alt in the first week. stonks

[narrow tangle]

how do you stay alive with assa rogue

[halcyon timber]

Easiest gearing of all time. Can send gear between characters, can craft gear that scales up in pvp. Templates suck and people abuse whatever they can like taking off a jacket to scale higher . It wasn’t blizzard’s fault nerds do super degen crap.

We went back to WoD style pvp gear and that is easily the best.

[unreal pelican]

Yeah its easier now than it used to be

But that doesnt mean we cant do better

I wasnt around for legion but i assume people just got builds of the internet and plug and played

But dont people already do that with talents now lol

Theres no like achievement in getting gear in pvp, its literally just time, I only see benefits in skipping it (at least the honor gear portion)

[pearl warren]

don’t take dmg (not easy)

[narrow tangle]

[pearl warren]

abuse poisoned knife slow and shadow step to teammates if you need to kite melee

if you need to connect to wizards, use pillars and los to close distance

try not to step enemies without garrote up

(your mobility is precious as assa, use it wisely)

[narrow tangle]

thank you

[twin burrow]

The assa king has spoken. : 👑

[pearl warren]

i play every spec 😞

[torn stump]

have a question, in some previous version, use [Poisoned Knife,Pistol Shot,Shuriken Toss] make normal attack becomes long-range. Is that right?

[pearl warren]

mop s13 iirc

abomination of a season

using shuriken toss gave u ranged auto attacks for like 10s

[torn stump]

but it is a nice design.

[pearl warren]

lol no

[torn stump]

why?

[pearl warren]

cool idea

terrible in practice

[torn stump]

which part terrible in practice?

[pearl warren]

giving a melee class access to ranged auto attacks

[torn stump]

is it if you at close-range, It still long-range attacks?

[torn stump]

sounds good. why you say is terrible in practice?

[pearl warren]

ranged auto attacks that apply healing reduction and slows is not healthy game design

oppressive

[torn stump]

I see, balance problem,right?

[pearl warren]

ya that’s generally the issue with pvp

anyone who genuinely enjoys pvp has accepted that it’ll never be truly balanced

a mini game within minigames

[stoic spruce]

Once you accept it, the game is much more fun.

[torn stump]

and who is rogue designer now?

[stoic spruce]

Ain't it Realz and company?

[torn stump]

if it can long-range, but can not healing reduction and slows, how do you feel?

[pearl warren]

no

dynamic auto attack range will never be anything i vouch for

horrendous design principle

[torn stump]

Is realz here?

[pearl warren]

6am so probably not

[torn stump]

what's his name in here?

[pearl warren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stoic spruce]

Realz

[wanton breach]

i wish deadly throw would make some sort of comeback as a pvp talent finisher or something like that

[torn stump]

oh, I know

[pearl warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qsudMuAhH8 no

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[potent pivot]

Maybe that’s why it hard resets Wound to 1 stack

[torn stump]

I think sub's Rupture chance to deadly throw(shadow damage can use 1time stealth skill)

[pearl warren]

ya, very good, but instant/low animation auto attacks are super buggy with los

is my main issue

you can still auto through every single pillar in the game

to apply crippling

all of them

0 exceptions

name a pillar

[potent pivot]

I’ve always thought of it hard resetting wound as a bug, but maybe it’s designed that way purposefully

[potent pivot]

[pearl warren]

yeah i could see it, i used to spam refresh wound on all 3 targets in the arena

religiously

in legion when wound was a passive 40% for assa

very cool!

good thinking!

[potent pivot]

I wonder if fan/ss reset it or stack it

I’ve never checked

[potent pivot]

Yeah that sounds toxic ngl

I didn’t play back then

[pearl warren]

well it was also in the

toxic blade era

we had toxic blade and shiv

and stat template

iirc assassin in legion had 70% reduced base agility, but this reduction didnt extend to procs

so if you had a gigastacked concordance neck proc (like me, the wq enjoyer), you would deal about 3x the damage you normally would on every concordance proc

[torn stump]

what's iirc?

[pearl warren]

if i remember correctly

[torn stump]

thanks

[stoic spruce]

If you remember what correctly?

[pearl warren]

culmination of tooltips posted in patch notes

photographic memory pretty op

designed my entire ui around abusing the combat system

[torn stump]

is he designer?

[pearl warren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[torn stump]

what's this mean...?

[potent pivot]

Maybe, but pinging them is against the rules

[pearl warren]

ya that seems need to know

[torn stump]

I know I wont

[pearl warren]

and i do not need to know

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[potent pivot]

If you see them actively participating in discussion feel free to try and discuss

[stoic spruce]

It won't happen here again for many moons so lurk the spec channels

[torn stump]

If there are any suggestions need require to him. What will you do?

[stoic spruce]

Wait until he comes back

We all have suggestions

[torn stump]

but the problem is: don't know when he will appear.

[pearl warren]

dont matta my boys been cookin we already got the tech 🧑‍🍳 @analog jetty

[stoic spruce]

Like, why is pistol shot 20 yards when poisoned knife and shuriken are 30 yards

But it's whatever

[torn stump]

because, between the eyes is 20 yards too.

[stoic spruce]

I'm gonna need a better reason

Because that's just dumb

[pearl warren]

because you have 30second 40 yard range super grapple

[torn stump]

maybe buff to 30 yards in 10.2?

[pearl warren]

from pillar to pillar

why r u ever in anyones line

[torn stump]

need 2 point.

[pearl warren]

guess your talents are wrong

[torn stump]

45-15=30

[stoic spruce]

Yeah that doesn't justify not having continuity.

[pearl warren]

if you dont like outlaw pick a new spec

there are 3

😐

[torn stump]

but with restless blades, maybe <20s.

[stoic spruce]

Where did i say I didn't like outlaw?

[pearl warren]

sorry sorry

[stoic spruce]

I didn't even imply that lol

[pearl warren]

my mistake

[stoic spruce]

It's actually the only spec I re(spec)t >.>

Pirates are based and seadog-pilled

@jolly sierra arg matey

[torn stump]

[deadened nerves] chance to 2point: all damage reduced by 2.5%/5%. how do you feel?

[potent pivot]

The boy wonder lives

[pearl warren]

barely

[wary spire]

Something something everybody has one.

[torn stump]

Mastery: Main Gauche chance to: increased normal attack damage XX%, how do you feel?

[pearl warren]

https://clips.twitch.tv/DeafFastOtterNomNom found another goodie

[dense sluice]

I dont think pinging him is against the rules per se, he said himself he doesn't care, if he didnt want pings he can turn them off. But it's still a grey area where we heavily side-eye anyone who does it randomly and try to discourage it

[torn stump]

about 10.2.0 rogue remake, what's your suggestions?

[wary spire]

Remove bad add good

[stoic spruce]

So true bestie

[torn stump]

concise

[stoic spruce]

ROGUE NUMERO UNOOOOO

[torn stump]

@wary spirewhat about [Slice and Dice] be a passive skill?

[wary spire]

Hmmm.

What's the hivemind's current take on that?

Last time I've checked it was snd bad.

[torn stump]

sorry, can not understand your mean.....

[wary spire]

Remove slince and dice

[torn stump]

do you mean better remove it than passive?

sorry, my english not good

[wary spire]

All good dude

[wary spire]

It's the same for a player.

[torn stump]

thanks, I see.

[potent pivot]

I feel like: get rid of Main Gauche

[potent pivot]

Ooh. Good to know. I just know I see all the dev ping notifications

Thanks for the correction though

[potent pivot]

SnD could also be removed altogether and that damage reallocated into other skills

[dense sluice]

I knew accidentally clicking on this channel would be worth it

[potent pivot]

[fossil sierra]

hows outlaw in shuffle?

[languid ravine]

its the equivalent of Sysiphus deciding to spin an extra 5 plates in addition to rolling a boulder up an infinite mountain in hell because he likes the pain he gets from staying in honour gear forever

[wanton breach]

never said it should be the way it was back then, give it longer cd and have a deadzone so you can't use it in 8+yds of the target

[pearl warren]

u can do that, most melee dont have 8yds

[fossil sierra]

man you are right

played one shuff albeit with honor gear.... but felt useless and was kt

[jolly sierra]

someone need to practise more

[wary spire]

Someone practices the wrong lessons more like.

[jolly sierra]

arg

[jolly sierra]

ES EL PÍCARO NUMERO UNO DE DRAENOR

EDANIEL

[jolly sierra]

i got chastised once by pinging him in beta period

[analog crater]

just came back from a 3 month break, think im gonna play around with some of the classes that im interested in maining, what should i expect with rogue?

[pearl warren]

what spec

[analog crater]

havent quite decided, like and dislike things about them all.

probably leaning more outlaw or sub though

[pearl warren]

sub op

outlaw also op but in more of a support role

protect ur team kinda vibe

bruiser gameplay

if ur goal is soloq do not play outlaw rogue

[analog crater]

oh ok lol

[pearl warren]

unless ur a masochist

then go right ahead

[jolly sierra]

his name sounds like dominatrix

can be lol

[pearl warren]

?

sounds like dominic to me

https://tenor.com/view/dom-gears-gears-of-war-gears-sad-gears-sad-gif-16550587

[minor cape]

sub - big control and oneshot
assa - more of a rot gameplay
outlaw - idk like warrior but worse but cooler

[pearl warren]

outlaw and assa have the most control, sub is the damage spec

you were close tho!

[minor cape]

dude what

[pearl warren]

u dont have to believe me

just informing

o7

[analog crater]

i know it is probably doubtful it will ever happen, but is roll the bones still important in outlaw?

[pearl warren]

can be

depends on your talent choices

[minor cape]

of course

you roll the bones a lot

nessper you trolling or wha

sub is literally the biggest control spec

in the game

and assa is the damage spec

🤔🤔🤔

[pearl warren]

read tooltips lil bro

i never troll

ppl just dont take me seriously

[minor cape]

i dont get it

[jolly sierra]

the r1 which always sounds trolly is other one here

[minor cape]

okay

[jolly sierra]

with a dog pic

[pearl warren]

o

ya raz

[jolly sierra]

ye

lol

[pearl warren]

that guys a parse bot

[jolly sierra]

he is catty af

[pearl warren]

last time i played vs him

at least

[jolly sierra]

kek

[pearl warren]

timed his dmg

not much else

emotional player, easy to tilt (most of eu is like this)

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/ohhh-really-cat-puss-in-gif-24541476

[minor cape]

nessper i dont get

[pearl warren]

what dont u understand

how can i help

[minor cape]

can you explain?

[pearl warren]

detailed questions

get detailed answers

u ask me a bad question i give u a bad answer

[minor cape]

how do law and assa have more control?

[analog crater]

my biggest problem is i havent consistently played rogue since cata, and shit was way different back then lol

[jolly sierra]

uhhh

[minor cape]

my man play what you like aesthetically 😎 all rogs are fun

[pearl warren]

-4 poisons for assa, and bleeds make people vulnerable (negates a lot of passive healing), enables your teammates
-outlaw can also choose to take amp poisons, and essentially plays as a bouncer for your ranged to play 50 yards away

sub rogue's unique trait is damage output

controlled damage output

not low cd cc

[minor cape]

okay i understand

thanks g

[pearl warren]

over the course of a long game a good outlaw rogue should have more cheap shots than a good sub rogue

and likely more damage if you play it well

(disarm his dance, dont get stunned)

then counter dance after he wastes disarm in tilt

(they all do it)

[minor cape]

i was going more for the thing where you control all the shit and burst with sub

and get more overall sustain dam with assa

now i know more

🫡

[analog crater]

how's survivability with each spec?

[minor cape]

sub and law get more

[pearl warren]

assa dies, sub and outlaw are immortal gods

assa requires protection* rather

or cowardice

take ur pick

[analog crater]

ah ok. kinda miss the days of recup, feel like it would work well with just how much combo points you are gettinc constantly.

[minor cape]

basically if you wanna be passively more tanky its law

if you want to be a slippery fuck its sub

🤓

[jolly sierra]

that is the reason i wanna ask the dev to get down here and make an ama

[minor cape]

lololo

[jolly sierra]

we are the real pvp class, he needs to hear us

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE