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stoic spruce
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notice how theres no bare feet

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foot

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thanks Bastion

jolly sierra
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feet

feet

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for example i xmogged like this some time ago, the only thing can be considered skimpy are the pants, but matched well, so

stoic spruce
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yeah thats nice

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troll feet are so gross

jolly sierra
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well, pally aesthetic and racial fits well

stoic spruce
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thats sooo true bestie

jolly sierra
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since lore confirmed pally existence in trolls wanted one, so bfa gave me one lol

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slutmog example 2

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usually they are toxic af too

stoic spruce
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whos they?

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good mog

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I have a slut mog on my belf but I very rarely use it

jolly sierra
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i had one in my orc fem

stoic spruce
jolly sierra
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found this fuck assaulting me in outdoor

stoic spruce
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lmao

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good

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idk why its good it just is

jolly sierra
stoic spruce
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sick

jolly sierra
jolly sierra
stoic spruce
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the weapon and shield makes it look more concealed, I couldnt find the REAL weapon and shield I use on account of im not on my acount atm

jolly sierra
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thought were those ones

stoic spruce
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no

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I lied

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im osrry :(

jolly sierra
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OOF

stoic spruce
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I COULDNT FIND IT

jolly sierra
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BUT HOW IT IS REEEEEEEEE

haughty tinsel
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has anyone tryed assass with shadow dance ?

jolly sierra
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yeah

dont

stoic spruce
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y

haughty tinsel
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I feel there is alot of synergy between talent for shadow dance to do some serious damage but remaining 90% of time would be useless

jolly sierra
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that is cuz u invest a lot of talent points dropping potential pressure instead

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just for a shadow dance charge

potent pivot
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⁉️

stoic spruce
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I'm going to eat your cheese

nova viper
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night elfs

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outfit

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she wear that on loading screen

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xD

wary spire
stoic spruce
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I hate outlaw tree I hate outlaw tree I hate outlaw tree I hate outlaw tree I hate outlaw tree I hate outlaw tree I hate outlaw tree I hate outlaw tree

stoic spruce
queen geyser
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I found where Outlaw's damage is

stoic spruce
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Is that KiR and ER?

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@queen geyser please say no

queen geyser
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In fact it's

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Not much different from the traditional HO build

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Highest I've hit is 140k pistol shot

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And 95k dispatch

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mastery procs are nutty too

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~45k-50k

stoic spruce
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May I have build plz?

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I will give you high five

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I run something a but different from the traditional HO build. I wonder how close I am to yours.

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Because I feel I do good damage

queen geyser
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Bit of context: I was running Loaded Dice the past 2 or so weeks. Got 1800 in 2s and Solo Shuffle with it

Then, as of like, an hour ago, I look at Sekkel's build, since the goat is back

And I realize I was kinda onto something with the Cold Blood nonsense like a month ago. Except there's really no need to run CB

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Put Tight Spender wherever if you don't care for it, it's a flex point

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DB/KS and Precise Cuts is personal preference too

stoic spruce
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Bro bro

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I'm like

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2 talents off lol

queen geyser
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Noice

stoic spruce
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Funny

queen geyser
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Also fun fact

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Doesn't say it on the tooltip

stoic spruce
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.>

queen geyser
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But Dismantle still procs Prey

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(But Blackjack doesn't proc off Blind still lol)

stoic spruce
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Are you for cereal?

queen geyser
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Yes

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One sec

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Whoops hold up

stoic spruce
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I got out of bed to try this build

queen geyser
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I stayed up to try it ngl

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It's goated

stoic spruce
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Oh no shit

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Wow that's crazy

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I guess it makes sense though

queen geyser
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It used to say so on the tooltip

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But I guess it was left in, even if the tooltip for Prey is PvE centric and doesn't say now

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Eridian told me months ago but I thought he was fucking with me

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And couldn't/didn't verify because who uses Prey on Outlaw, right?

stoic spruce
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uhh

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lol

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yeah who does?

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.>

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<.<

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also the outlaw tree was exact and the rogue tree was 3 talents off

jolly sierra
nova viper
queen geyser
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Also

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Hidden tech

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Blast Guile’s Theme or Tail to Nose as Outlaw for a 10% performance buff

inland falcon
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just so you know you cant use stormwind dummy to test it's bugged to shit

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pvp mods dont work on it so you legit do 40k more dps to it or some garbage

jolly sierra
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that is because legacy multiplier

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ofc wont work well

inland falcon
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ye but the numbers this guy is posting are off that dummy

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just figured he would wna know that

wicked scroll
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I heard outlaw is back

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is it true

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saw some things on forums and apparently it does like 100k dps all game in 2v2 arena

stoic spruce
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In 2v2 it's good

wicked scroll
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Ahh really? is it like shadowlands again or?

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I've not pvp'd in a while

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Aka, outlaw is king?

stoic spruce
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Nah it's not like outlaw.

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I mean SL lol

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It's a nerfed version dreadblades and greenskin

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But not too nerfed

wicked scroll
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ahh nice

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I just wanna get that sick 1800 transmog

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think its easier as outlaw than sub?

stoic spruce
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Sub

wicked scroll
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okay thanks

gritty heart
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guys im tired of this shet

vocal surge
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anyone else noticing channels moving?

gritty heart
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my Cr is 1500

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im sub rogue i can win every match with 2 dps enemy

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but when they come as healer

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cant do shit

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i do my cd and then bomb in 1 sec great monk fill everyone

jolly sierra
vocal surge
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lol

jolly sierra
gritty heart
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any good source i need learn it

jolly sierra
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watch some streamer like raz, pikaboo or even palumor

jolly sierra
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the killed one i say

wary spire
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Nope.

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But I don't really follow classic stuff

jolly sierra
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me neither but appeared in my sub feed

twin burrow
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Pshero is my favorite high functioning autistic. Fuck Elon musk and Greta thungleberger

pale storm
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Pshero has been around for a long time, he’s pretty funny, dry sense of humour. Used to play 2s with Ziqo the mage in tbc and a little wotlk and would run this weird all resilience build and call himself the Bulgarian Brick Wall

jolly sierra
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or in retail when he was the main necrolord sub in s1

pale storm
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Oh yeah haha

languid ravine
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I bought Rank 1 embellishment for 17k instead of rank3 for 5k

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and it resold for the full price

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phew

jolly sierra
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oh how lucky

languid ravine
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guess that makes me a scammer huh

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unless there is an actual good reason for the price tag but I cant even make one up

spring bough
# jolly sierra https://youtu.be/MZkBoE5EZN4?si=OFfRpqSTEHcAbi5T have anybody seen this prick ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=oWNt_8xcOZw&t=14m21s this is what got me into rogue pvp and havent stopped since

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▶ Play video
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the most OG to do it lol

languid ravine
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0-6 healer leaves after 4 rounds

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guess who was with him the first three :^)

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THE AVATAR OF INVERSE LUCK INCARNATE

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last match off capping too

jolly sierra
nova viper
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stay strong

nova viper
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its smell like 2004-06

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shity, cheap music

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10 fps

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and old video premier font

jolly sierra
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linkin park music or chop suey

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the classic ones

nova viper
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sorry, sorry

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im raphead

jolly sierra
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ekisde

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yippy joe yippy yee

nova viper
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no, no man

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just old, polish rap

pearl warren
jolly sierra
nova viper
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Que passa

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Braziliano

jolly sierra
spring bough
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epic playlists yall wym LOL

nova viper
spring bough
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Palumor gonna get sub nerfed again lmao. i see his latest video "one shot macro" for sub LOL

jolly sierra
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no in language lol

spring bough
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bout to take this macro and go hit up shuffle as sub see what it about lol

tawny kestrel
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yeah one shot macros are always insane in arena

jolly sierra
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coming from u dunno if was sarcasm or for real

surreal barn
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That’s as sarcastic as it gets

jolly sierra
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still sniffs to nerfs

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palumor always baits blizz w that lol

surreal barn
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It’s really easy to just use a defensive though, I mean if you’re doing that to someone without any defensives they were screwed anyway

pale storm
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is there a macro to shiv out of stealth and in shadsow dance and to sap in stealth?

jolly sierra
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think pikaboo has the sap in stealth one

spring bough
jolly sierra
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ask him for that one

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dunno about the other

surreal barn
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1 is stealth and 2 is dance I think

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#showtooltip [nocombat,stance:0/2] Shiv; [stance:1] Sap; Shadow Dance
/cast [stance:0/2] Shiv
/cast [stance:1] Sap

Maybe that works I’m not at a computer to check syntax

pale storm
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yeah, that was what I was looking for, think it changed a little since wotlk classic so wasn't sure which stance was whcih

surreal barn
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Personally I’d throw the !stealth in there to get you in stealth in case it just happens to become available

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The amount of times I accidentally stealth makes me happy

nova jay
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Can priests still self-rez?

jolly sierra
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yes

idle tulip
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Seeking players to come onto my podcast and deep dive on a rogue spec. Needs to be a person with high level recent experience, and able to talk about the spec, how if plays, talents of importance, and any nuances. DMs open.

surreal barn
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@jolly sierra go get us some buffs on the podcast

stoic spruce
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oh boy this again

stoic spruce
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cmoooon man

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be the good guy for once

jolly sierra
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im not that good lol

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and think he wanted r1 in his podcast

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im just elite lol

idle tulip
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Prefer a person with Gladiator experience or close to it.

jolly sierra
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see lol

stoic spruce
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What about friendly friendship?

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You ever been in a chat with only glads

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So mean

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But yeah

jolly sierra
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he wants glads

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im elite

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that is different

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XD

stoic spruce
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nuh uh

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youre a gladiator to me PirateHeart

jolly sierra
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uh

stoic spruce
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its okay, take your time.

jolly sierra
jolly sierra
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slutmog player spotted

dapper chasm
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I dunno, man. If I stumbled upon someone looking like that "She's up for a rodgering" isn't what would come to mind

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Or at the very least, they're into some weird, dark stuff

wary spire
minor cape
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or you mean ret?

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if on rog then i didnt tell gratz

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so gratz

wary spire
marble oasis
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Nice balance blizzard…

untold remnant
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Good to see the statistics confirm my feeling that rogue is the worst class in the game

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Now let's give some buffs

marble oasis
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Lets hope after our rework we get to have this level of representation for a season.
Seems to be the trend get rework be broken for a season killing the whole community

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Oh no wait copium we rogues we can never be good.

untold remnant
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Rogue is balanced around 1400 players not trinketing anything and dying without defensives to your go's.

wary spire
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More like open world and random bgs.

unreal pelican
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ok I wanna play rogue

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how much worse is outlaw than sub

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I dont really care for assassination, but if my options are shadow magic wizard assassin (cringe) or pirate lady with gun (cool), im only gonna go with sub if its FAR better

gritty heart
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im sub with 448 pvp ilvl i can burst like 130k (with sporclock)

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i think its far better

unreal pelican
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also does outlaw build mastery?

gritty heart
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i never be in that spec

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for pvp dont think about that

potent pivot
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Outlaw builds a mix of mast/crit kinda, all of it’s stats are pretty shit so it doesn’t matter as much as the other specs

unreal pelican
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I suppose I’ll play sub then

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Hopefully outlaw gets some love

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And ill be ready for it when it does

unreal pelican
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what piece do we ignore for tier?

acoustic junco
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outlaw is pretty bad. It only makes it in 2s because dampening gets high enough that it can't be auto healed through.

unreal pelican
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😦 why pirate class bad when it so cool

vocal surge
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Lack of burst

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our damage is consistent, but never bursty

proper veldt
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is ass viable in pvp?

bold bison
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every spec is viable, you just need to play a lot better than anyone else all the time, and you'll still lose sometimes

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as Assa

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anyone know if there are other classes being botted in solo just now other than ele shaman and healing evoker? I've played against a couple of Warriors who disarm within 0.1 second of me press shadowdance every time

tacit citrus
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guys

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what items can u change

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at catalyst console

acoustic junco
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outlaw suffers from just lack of damage. When it doesn't even win the consistent damage over a minute compared to burst classes, it's in a really bad spot. Why play outlaw when sub can do the same damage in 6 seconds that outlaw does in 30 seconds

potent pivot
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Conquest, m+, and raid gear

tacit citrus
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pvp items

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u cant change the items u buy with honor right?

potent pivot
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And I think the upgraded wpvp gear(?) never tried

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I know you couldn’t with the first Catalyst, tbh I haven’t tried this season

tacit citrus
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hmm ok

strange stag
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What you guys think bout sub/mm or sub/ret ? We are 2k xp players who wants to have double dps fun. Viable ?

tacit citrus
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what kind if spell does preser evoker have

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i got 1 at 90k hp then he channeled a shit i couldnt even intrerupt

chrome schooner
dapper chasm
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If I ST with 0.1 seconds left on ShD, do I still get the increased damage on the extra hits?

languid ravine
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extremely certain that you will lose the damage bonus from dance, however you can press another dance and regain the damage bonus as the SecTec clones land kir

nova viper
# wary spire Kek

What? You mean to tell me that the most independent classes that beat constant dmg and have the most survivability are higher on the most random mode in the game? NO, THAT CANNOT BE TRUE

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It's obvious that a class like Rogue won't be high, especially when we count the average of all players, where probably each of us will say that at some point we meet a huge hill, because suddenly no one extends our cc, no one beats our target and every enemy knows that cc on our main ability us do nothing the rest of the game.

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cry more snowfleaks lol

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Sorry that was offensive but i laughs reading another cry about Rogue solo being weak

languid ravine
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wait are you listing real reasons rogue sucks and then unironically say "git gud"?

pearl warren
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rogue is op

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hope this helps

rare vector
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guys are you running Sporecloak?

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How much does 450 version absorb in pvp?

nova viper
wary spire
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Why not try to balance one spec around shuffle and others around 2s and 3s? peeposhrug

languid ravine
wary spire
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3v3 mid, top 4 dps in 2v2.

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And that's only sub.

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Assa and law are below mid.

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So as an assa I will cry more and my cries will be justified, thank you very much!

jolly sierra
jolly sierra
wary spire
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Assa and law are portrayed as meh tho. In all brackets.

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So that's consistent.

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@nova viper PLEED MY CRIES

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PLEED MY CRIES OF PAIN

jolly sierra
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i had go 2s yesterday and already found glads in 1k8

nova viper
jolly sierra
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gatekeeping is real kek

potent pivot
pearl warren
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🙏

potent pivot
pearl warren
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rogue best melee atm

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for sure

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ww is close

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but we counter ww so who cares

jolly sierra
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tf says here, my client is in spanish lol

fathom dew
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rogue good

languid ravine
jolly sierra
jolly sierra
bold bison
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cheap shot goes on Orc - worth it or no?

languid ravine
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are you asking if it is worth stunning an Orc for 3.6 seconds over pressing ambush?

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If it is Garrosh Hellscream in Siege of Orgimmar then no

stoic spruce
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ORC IS OH PEEEEEEEE

jolly sierra
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ME ORK ME SMASH PUNY ROGUE

gleaming pawn
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why must "rogue dagger" designs suck so much ass. What happened to the awesome dagger designs from back in the day. Like they could have taken this sword model, shrunk it down to dagger size and had a dagger that looks a million times better

stoic spruce
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that blue one is pretty sick

jolly sierra
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blue one says s2 elite set

languid ravine
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Frost mage without glacial spike viable ?

spring bough
# wary spire Kek

love seeing two rogue specs at the bottom and blizz over here "next patch" cool lol

wary spire
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next patch maybe

spring bough
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all they gotta do is reverse the season 1 OL nerfs maybe one more dmg buff and id be fine till then lol

gleaming pawn
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the rogue changes aren't going to be that sweeping, it's ironing out some wrinkles and pain points in the trees. Nothing substantial is changing at all

wary spire
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Oooh can we use lock's dagger?

gleaming pawn
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so 10.2's maybe rogue changes, won't magically make us good

wary spire
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I would be okay with that if we also had regular tuning.

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As is - we're waiting for maybe small changes in 2-3 months with assa and law being bottom tier for half of season 1 and all of season 2. sitmadge

gleaming pawn
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oh it's bullshit for sure, but I wouldn't hold my breath. If we are at all good, we will be over performing against the drooling morons at 1200-1400 and will get nerfed again

wary spire
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That's like 7 months without tuning total. ~100$ from law players to be a punching bag.

obsidian pulsar
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There 50+ rogues over 2.1 with assa and outlaw it’s not a class issue ofc it underperforms but rogue is still not a class where u kekw press pve and win u still need to play with brain

gleaming pawn
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oh this old arguement

wary spire
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Also 16 laws and 378 balance druids.

gleaming pawn
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because r1 players can make outlaw and sin work, it's fine

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ask those r1 players about how the specs play, and if they enjoy having to work so much harder than everyone else

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go ahead, i'll wait

jolly sierra
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just fucking play another class meanwhile

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if there are not any kind of tuning then they are working in it

wary spire
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Nah I'm waiting for bg.

jolly sierra
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its way too suspicious than there are not any big tuning

wary spire
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I tried playing other classes - don't like em.

jolly sierra
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for rogs since some decent time ago

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prepare the coom, this xmog is the new prize for TP tomorrow

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god august offers are good af

wary spire
jolly sierra
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at this step everybody has lost faith already lol

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at least u have the xmog

wary spire
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Tru!

wary spire
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Considering the mount.

jolly sierra
potent pivot
languid ravine
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he is THE dev working on rogue

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all the others have been fired

potent pivot
gleaming pawn
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because Realz has said as such

potent pivot
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i don't think it's going to be as small as you're describing

gleaming pawn
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so outside of the "intending new talents" which means, he wants to, but may or may not add them

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it's as small as described

jolly sierra
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bring that guy here

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to discuss pvp

gleaming pawn
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and since he didn't mention mage in his comparison of expectations, it wont even be on the level of the mage rework

potent pivot
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"it's ironing out some wrinkles and pain points in the trees. Nothing substantial is changing at all"

gleaming pawn
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there's numerous other posts where he clarifies what he means exactly, feel free to search and go through them

potent pivot
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yes i've seen them

gleaming pawn
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a lot of the people are expecting paladin level of rework, sweeping changes to how the specs function

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that is what I mean by nothing substantial

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the 3 specs will still be the same specs. They might get some new talents, they might not be worth using in pvp. The core of the specs is not changing

potent pivot
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ye ofc, but i still think the size of the changes will have a substantial impact

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guess it's a bit subjective

gleaming pawn
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it is a bit

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and I don't mean to be argumentative with you

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I just want to temper people's expectations

jolly sierra
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think he need to be ambiguous by blizzard's orders as i recall in forums

gleaming pawn
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Outlaw for instance, wont be changing from a flat damage spec

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Realz likes that it's the odd duck out, in that regard

nova viper
jolly sierra
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so isn't that exact as dev

gleaming pawn
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he might want to add something that gives it a little spike now and again, but nothing even close to the "burst specs"

jolly sierra
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dunno at this step what will do

gleaming pawn
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we do and we don't

jolly sierra
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but imo he needs to come here to consider our words

gleaming pawn
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he has already spoke to the pve channels on a lot of his ideas

jolly sierra
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if the fucking spec was designed to pvp

gleaming pawn
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we'll have to see what makes it to the PTR

jolly sierra
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in the 1st place

gleaming pawn
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and I agree, he should come into the PvP channel and get feedback here as well. Like he did during the pre-DF PTR. But I doubt PvP is on his mind at all with the changes, since he has yet to speak in here

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which is also understandable, if PvP isn't part of this timeline, then it's not part of the timeline. Nothing he can do if his boss gives him the greenlight for some PvE changes but not PvP

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also also, Realz is in charge of Rogue as a whole. The pvp balancing of numbers tuning has been a different team entirely in the past, and I'm not aware of that having changed at all recently

jolly sierra
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dunno how tf will be done then

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but when i tried to call him to come here, just dodged the topic

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then i don't expect stuff there

stoic spruce
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I'm cautiously optimistic

jolly sierra
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look

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if they bring back combat readiness alongside the other defensives and buff elusiveness im happy

stoic spruce
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Idr why I take elusiveness tbh

jolly sierra
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dunno, ppl is taking cheat death now

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i was an elusiveness fan u know

stoic spruce
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I feel like I'd die through cheat death lol

jolly sierra
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me too sometimes

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specially against frost mages

unreal pelican
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heya im very new to sub, for my weapons does it matter if the off hand is sword or a dagger?

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I think id like to have a sword if its possible so i can swap to outlaw in the future without needing a new weapon

jolly sierra
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nah doesn't matter that much

unreal pelican
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and what crafted pieces should i be going for? i saw the faq hasnt been updated for 10.1

potent pivot
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can check what most people are using on murlok.io

unreal pelican
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ah thank you, will give it a look

gleaming pawn
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just got accused of kick botting, because a mage is casting glacial near me as we are tunneling, I wait till 3/4 cast and kick him and he dies without block

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2 different rounds

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love solo shuffle

gleaming pawn
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he "even got it clipped"

shut solstice
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What a fucking nerd

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What rating was this?

unreal pelican
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veil touched isn’t included in the pinned rotten build, is this not like just 5% more damage for free??

gleaming pawn
jolly sierra
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ppl is weird af

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i once was accused of hacking cuz i 1 shotted a guy using a macro with a trinket, blood of the enemy and the regular burst in bfa

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the guy was salty af

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i used this back in the day in that macro, imagine how mad was the guy

halcyon timber
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That trinket was sick, the visual was really cool too.

jolly sierra
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yeah i recall how funny was to see the dragon

unreal pelican
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Hey with thiefs bargain do i use shadow blades at opener?

jolly sierra
minor cape
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so just as usual

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if you want pop, if you dont dont

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some people however prepop blades so that debuff wears off

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not sure if its good

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however recently most of my shuffle games were so insanely quick that i didn't even play thiefs bargain lol 2ez

unreal pelican
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I might arena start pop shadowblades

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Cause they last for 20 secs, thats enough to wait out the 6 seconds, then have 2 shadowdances in the remaining time

minor cape
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i wouldn't cause you get less shadowblades time which might actually equal to less overall damage

minor cape
#

honestly that 10% feels like the normal secrettech error margin lol

unreal pelican
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cause i mean outside of shadowdance im not really doing much damage

minor cape
#

well with gloom you might

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🤪

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if shadowblades is up

unreal pelican
#

I dont play gloom atm

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Losing first dance feels bad

minor cape
#

same

unreal pelican
#

A lot of top players seem to on murlokio

minor cape
#

raz says first dance is useless in cdr build

unreal pelican
#

But im still getting used to rogue

minor cape
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cause you top your combo points anyway

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but i do like to first dance kidney

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sometimes

unreal pelican
#

actually

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when i have 2pc i get rotten on every shadowdance right?

minor cape
#

yes

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so you top cp on shadowstrike

unreal pelican
#

ok so I suppose I’ll start playing gloom lol

minor cape
#

nah that wasnt an advice to play gloom

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🤪

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its not that good

unreal pelican
#

I mean to me it makes sense

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Like im not losing anything but im gaining more damage

minor cape
#

well, you see

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what most do is take the other node

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where first dance is

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the energy regen one

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not gloom

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but there are gloom builds, i just dont think gloom is that good

unreal pelican
#

actually i also lose subterfuge

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ouch

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Actually that only works for actual stealth

#

Why cant I cast shadowdance in stealth with the gloomblade build???

minor cape
#

you can do a macro to cancel stealth on dance

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i think

unreal pelican
#

The combo i had been doing from stealth on opener was; shadowdance, cheap shot, shadowstrike, evis, symbols, shadowstrike, secret tech (with badge and cb)

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Actually i guess i could get the cancel stealth and itd be the same

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Or would i lose a global

minor cape
#

why shadowdance before cheap shot

minor cape
wary spire
#

Gm morioh cho~!

unreal pelican
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For the big boy secret technique

minor cape
#

oke makes sense

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but if you have first dance you can also cheap offtarg and kidney main

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🤪

unreal pelican
#

See thats alot of buttons that i cant currently press in time

marble oasis
#

I believe the actual advise isn’t to play around danse stacks really.
The extra global during dance even for a repeat ability will do more damage than that extra danse stack will give.

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Just always do secret tech as your second finisher and you’re good.

Could be mistaken though.
Just seems a waste to throw stealth away.

minor cape
#

might even be fine to just sectech right away

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like to go sstrike sectech

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so you give less time to react and 100% fit into prey on the weak window

marble oasis
#

Ye in pve sure having a fixed rotation but in pvp has to be dynamic and playing around a buff that does 6% per stack will probably make you miss something more important than that 6% damage amp on a wet noodle 😛

unreal pelican
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but im already gonna be stunning them no?

marble oasis
#

but you're wasting one global during dance to cheat shot when you can do that from normal stealth.
which can be used for extra damage

minor cape
#

you will restun target most likely anyway so might as well first dance a kidney

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😎

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to not have to do that

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but yeah no way should you cheapshot after dance if you can just do it out of stealth

minor cape
#

you wish

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pretty sure its nerfed in pvp or smth

surreal barn
#

With sectec I just send it

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Works fine for me.

jolly sierra
#

in a round w my monk got a very disgusting couple of rogue mage gatekeepers

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in the 1st one i got deleted

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then i went rogue and just stick on the bastard and ended winning

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fuck were obnoxious af w the arcane mage constantly spamming poly

wary spire
#

You did your be-e-e-st.

fading blade
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so when does mmr inflate

jolly sierra
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when holinka returns to blizz

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I KNEW THEY WOULD DO THIS

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and is dirty cheap

surreal barn
waxen meteor
jolly sierra
halcyon timber
minor cape
jolly sierra
minor cape
#

you see swtor gives subscribers a 1000 "cartel coins" a month

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which you can get from in game activities but very little

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or you can also donate some more

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and then you have of courses cases

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with cosmetic shit

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and there are items in rotation that have discounts

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which honestly trading post starts to resemble

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with microtransactions

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😭

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the reason this sucks is that swtor started to make a lot of money from that and they basically do a lot of work with this microtransaction shop but barely make actual content

stoic spruce
#

Cases aren't a thing in modern gaming anymore

minor cape
#

and now the game is refered to as space barbie

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😭

minor cape
#

how so

stoic spruce
#

no game made in the last 5 or so years has had cases

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because its considered gambling

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its all about battlepasses now

jolly sierra
#

sounds like fk EA games gambling shit

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glad they were reported for that

round tundra
#

yoooo guys 4 tier rogue subtlety versa>mastery>crit or 2 tiers versa>mastery??

scarlet shell
#

most of the trading post items are utter rubbish with 2-3 very good and useful items

jolly sierra
#

got a guy in outdoor which tried to kill me while i was hitting another one

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killed him, then i said "that is what u got u pig"

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he insulted from my mom to me calling me a son of a

then i reported him and said he was just a barker and never appeared when i was full hp and alone

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= D

wary spire
# scarlet shell i dont see a problem.

The problem is when a system for spending money is introduced into an activity the activity later morphs into one that pushes you into spending money.

#

Well, as long as it doesn't offer straight up power I guess.

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Imagine "Arena-specific healing potions" being sold there. kekw

stoic spruce
#

being okay with this is a gateway to worse things

wary spire
#

Yep.

jolly sierra
#

eyah

wary spire
#

Real winners whine.

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They don't teach ya that in school.

#

We had a guy at my work that threw hissy fits every time someone told him that he made a mistake.

#

People just started to silently fix his mistakes for him.

stoic spruce
#

eayh

wary spire
#

He was our best employee from manager's point of view. starege

jolly sierra
#

we had one which everytime he had a mistake which would cost him his job just went mad or ask us if we were blaming him

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then one day he become so mad than told our supervisor all things we did (w him involved in this ofc)

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the supervisor didn't heard his words seriously and 1 month later was fired KEK

wary spire
#

Not sexo.

jolly sierra
#

sexon't

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got 1k6 w the warrior than i don't know how tf use

spring bough
#

took me a couple weeks moonlighting as a PVEr but got the full mythic mog set today. the purple is pretty nice

jolly sierra
#

managed to do a FULL SET

waxen meteor
jolly sierra
#

ty

languid ravine
#

Helmet missing. Can't even do full set right OMEGAKEKW

jolly sierra
gleaming pawn
#

you might be obsessed with pandas

jolly sierra
#

why so lol

stoic spruce
#

Why would you want to cover that sick hair

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That's okay

stoic spruce
#

If you said yes to either of them, you're halfway to being your character in WoW!!

#

That's sooo awesome!!!

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I'm almost my wow character too

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I just need to be bulimic (which I will not do)

languid ravine
#

this guy playing Kul tiras druid IRL

stoic spruce
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Nuh uh

jolly sierra
#

those kul tirans are obnoxious af

#

have u heard a warrior?

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just shout AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA like by 10 seconds

jolly sierra
#

so u can check one of the biggest server mysteries

white gazelle
#

What do yal think the best comp to do a glad push is right now

narrow tangle
minor cape
nimble idol
#

Is outlaw viable after buff? For shuffle

stoic spruce
#

it can be rough but yeah

cursive umbra
#

Returning rogue, any major changes since 10.1 (in 10.1.5 and onwards) that needs considering? Sub still 2set rotten/secret technique or something else thats meta?

wary spire
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Barely any. But in 10.2 rogue will get so many changes, so many!

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Hoo boy.

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It is not determined how many, actually. Perhaps not so much. Maybe none. But probably many! So many.

cursive umbra
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haha

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ty for answer

wanton breach
surreal barn
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The funniest shit is going to happen too. They’ll cut sectec and the next day everyone will be asking for it back

wary spire
#

Tru.

meager echo
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Hello guys, new sub rogue player, i see there are many builds for rogue but i wonder if there is some explanation somewhere which build is best for which bracket?

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or just in general?

minor cape
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you play cdr rotten build with secret tech 100% of the time

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in sub tree there is wiggle room but you pretty much always go down to danse macabre and rotten and take secret tech

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in left tree you can sometimes go for vigor but default is taking cold blood and second dance and not going for vigor

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there are alternative builds - with flagelation and finality or without sectech, but those are rarely played rn

meager echo
#

oh i see man, that's super helpful, i also want to ask because i see some rogues playing thistle tea, can you give me some info about it?

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they play 1 dance and tea

surreal barn
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Lol I was just in a shuffle with a brewmaster

minor cape
#

it worked

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but it was a super situational thing

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i doubt there is really a reason to play it in everyday life

halcyon timber
languid ravine
#

but wheelchair classes as lock and DK you can press large pve uptime

minor cape
#

or the usual secret technique nerfed by 33%

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gloomblade and backstab damage inecreased by 3%

minor cape
#

just get defensives and kill it

languid ravine
#

sure just press dance and go 6 - 0 every match

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thats all we gotta do

#

ladies and gentlemen

hidden sierra
#

heyo, is Katsuyo from Hyjal here, by any chance?

haughty tinsel
#

the idea is to burst every 1 minute and then run away and reset. as a burst rotation out of stealth you use garote - rupture (for elaborated planing) - shadow dance - cheep shot - ambush - shiv - envenom - cheap shot - ambush - envenom

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whatcha guys think ?

languid ravine
#

Assass is giga fun in BGs

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until you remember that stealth is still bugged

#

..is exsang fixed at least? cant remember

languid ravine
#

same as losing 4% vers there is no way in hell that is worth it

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also what does this burst approach have over Subtlety rogue?

#

kinda cool build though maybe tehre is a niche matchup for it

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wait theres no way 1 point scent of blood is better than bone spike

languid ravine
#

thinking a bit more its sad how anti-synergistic assash kit is with rogue in general.
If you are forced into Tea sipping, then all the direct damage stuff does not benefit from mastery, reverse is also true in regards to Find Weakness and damage over time

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also, assuming your bleeds deal the majority of your damage that locks you out of going lethality to produce more finishers, because A reprimand exists and also you have nothing good to use cold blood on

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therefore you always go Tea ER and mfd

gleaming pawn
#

I mean, there is a reason that the PvE side avoids Dance builds like the plague and describes it as cursed. Dance doesn't fit the Assa playstyle at all, and you lose damage (from what I remember pre-DF testing)

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PvE doesn't always cross over into PvP for builds, but at the same time, if you are trying to go for max damage, and PvE wont touch Dance, that's a good indicator at least in my mind, that it wont work

languid ravine
#

eh I dont see how that is an indicator

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you dont use triple cheap shot or triple silence to generate any value in PvE

gleaming pawn
#

fair, but you as you said you lose a lot going for Dance

#

and do we know if they ever made it so the imp garrote works with Dance?

#

that might be what I am remembering from pre-DF

languid ravine
#

actually no clue if it works, never tried kekdog

gleaming pawn
#

we should get Shadenox in here, he would know if/why Shadow Dance would work for Assa

haughty tinsel
#

Well, the idea is that you get garrote and rupture up for energy regen. Garote gives systematic failure for more ambush damage , rupture also gives elaborated planning and scent of blood for more damage. Then you follow with cheap shot for stun, FW, master assassin, prey on the weak and BOOM big ambush, then BOOM big shiv, and BOOM big envenom

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kinda 1 min build and then you run

#

also master assassin synergizes with seal fate for more ambush CP and more finisher damage. On paper it seems to synergize very well but cant test it right now compared to sub burst

halcyon timber
#

If it works for you then it works /shrug.
no need to consult the moon about the sun's affairs.

spring bough
#

so im doing some skirmishes for this weekly. didnt realize i have pve gear on. this dragon bomb does 80k for normal hits lol

potent pivot
gleaming pawn
#

yeah I really didn't think so, but I never bothered to try so I didn't want to speak too much on the subject

jolly sierra
#

you wanna play like a sub do you?

the mastery from tea comes fine and u waste a lot of talents spending into shadow dance row

a lot of useless ones

bleak slate
#

Is Scent of blood really that valuable? or is it really only worth it if you have Rupture on 2+ targets?

jolly sierra
#

it worth if u dot for 2

#

the agi is decent with the talent

spring bough
#

wild lobby with an aug felt so good lol

#

90.8k lmao

jolly sierra
#

is not that nice if the fucker makes a 6-0

spring bough
#

not that lobby boomy went 0-6 though lmao

jolly sierra
#

ah good shit

languid ravine
#

Any of y'all Fury enjoyers noticing your MS effect "slaughterhouse" often not stacking at all?

stoic spruce
#

I've noticed I press buttons and the global goes off but the ability doesn't register

jolly sierra
#

yeah it was hotfixed in SL

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to doesn't stack or refresh after certain point

languid ravine
#

hmm so I suspect something removed the stacks and later it was still on internal cooldown

gritty bobcat
#

So guys

#

What stats do i want on outlaw

#

Im kind of confused

#

Should i go 30% mastery and then haste>mastery

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Any crit?

gleaming pawn
#

the main theory right now is just full mastery

#

part of that is just what has been working, and part of that is because Assa and Sub go full mastery so that's the gear people have

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Crit has been the move in seasons past, but mastery has seemed to be working better right now

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you don't need haste, the DF iteration of outlaw hates haste

stoic spruce
#

which is weird imo

quasi marsh
#

hello, am beginner to pvp, had some previous rogue exp, didn't enjoy pvp on fury really, wanna try rogue, what's easier spec to perform well on lower rating ( while learning spec or pvp in general ) assassination or sub ?

jolly sierra
#

assa is the easiest between those two but is the squishiest overall

#

u will need to use a sporecloak and a battlemaster trinket if u are go solo shuffle

nova viper
#

but remember

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always stun kill target

quasi marsh
nova viper
jolly sierra
nova viper
jolly sierra
#

god i never get bored saying that

quasi marsh
# nova viper You need to learn to manage your cc and survival skills. You only get brust dama...

I see, I can understand the game plan of rogue more clearly than fury, don't get me wrong, fury is so easy to play, but I can't really figure what I need to do next, yes dps never stops, I just follow who every my team is trying to kill and try to cc healer / other dps when I can, but I feel I am limited, can figure out my next step. while watching rogue in arena, it's more clear how they play, sap target, kidney other and burst down, if they don't kill they usually vanish , and disrupt healer, and get back to burst kill target ( that's my observation playing with other rogues ), am willing to put time into the spec, if I can feel effective in arena, that's why I want to start with the easier spec in order to get better feeling of my role.

jolly sierra
#

i ended switching back to arms due to it making more pressure into multiple targets

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fury was way too tunnel vision in playstyle for me

#

arms does cleave dmg and more pressure through sharpen blade

nova viper
jolly sierra
#

the guy i killed days ago in wpvp is sending me angry mails now

#

i just asked him "who are u" and returned his 6 cooper lol

minor cape
#

i killed the same boomie 8 times in wpvp because i was farming a traders post quest (I WANT THE SET WITH TATTOOS REEEE)

#

he was mad too and told me to get a life 😩

#

ganking people in wpvp feels bad man

jolly sierra
#

yeah lol, i call them cowards when they ambush me (always are hunters) but always end killing them

#

and they are from my faction so they read it lol

minor cape
#

dude guess how i farmed the rest of that quest

jolly sierra
#

killing the guy

minor cape
#

a hunter tried to kill me like 6 times when i was farming ores

#

he couldnt

jolly sierra
#

always is the hunter

minor cape
#

why the hunter it should be rogue

jolly sierra
#

the opportunistic one lol

#

i recall another wq

#

where i was tanking the elite boss

#

and then 2 hunters from my faction started shooting me after it died

#

i was w ret so i killed both lol

#

but not before calling them cowards

#

btw im thinking in reporting this guy if he keeps spamming my mail

#

but in a ticket, to ensure the stuff

minor cape
#

you got that threatening letter from conquest box lol

jolly sierra
#

yeah but explicit

minor cape
#

im pretty sure you can just block him

jolly sierra
#

i know

minor cape
#

"Meet me near the stormwind gates"

jolly sierra
#

but i wanna ban

#

XD

minor cape
jolly sierra
#

dunno how salty u should be to mail a guy which killed u defending himself when he was doing another 1v1

jolly sierra
#

sometimes i wanna record myself doing this stuff but i recall i have a very shitty laptop lol

minor cape
#

no shame in that just pull out the phone

#

and send a snap

#

😤

jolly sierra
#

sure ill record with one hand while i pull the wheelchair w the other one

#

parkour

minor cape
#

you just press hoj on a hunter

#

and then you start clicking

#

thats when you record

jolly sierra
#

hoj then the final reckoning macro w wings and badge

#

and the hunter lose 50% hp w that lol

minor cape
#

you can do that on dh

#

press fel eruption and eye beam

jolly sierra
#

heh funny

minor cape
#

and make a cookie clicker macro

#

for your chaos strike

jolly sierra
#

dunno who was the responsible for making those class designs

minor cape
#

if you play that build

jolly sierra
#

u sounds very experienced in that w dhs

#

but tbh im gotta go sleep

#

brb later cya

minor cape
#

gn ALOO

cursive umbra
#

Ok so, trying to get to the bottom of this once and for all. How do i make shift work as a modifier? I use ctrl and alt currently but want shift as well. Addin shift as a modifier in macros just doesnt do anything. Yes ive spelled it correctly, no i dont have it keybound somrwhere else. I use razer naga mouse that i want to add the modifierd to

#

Anyone that has experienced this and/or can help me out?

#

Ive googled and done every suggested solution found but nothing works

#

(Shift used to be my main modifier but it stoped working in SL and i cant get it to work again)

untold remnant
#

You probably have keybinds that use Shift already. So if you have actionbars holding Shift+1 for example, if you would try to modify the ability on slot 1 with a shift modifier, it won't work because shift+1 is already keybound.

cursive umbra
#

I dont have any keybinds that use shift. Ive looked over all my keybinds like 1000 times

#

I dont say that to be rude. Its just that that was my first thought as well

#

Im trying to get shift modifiers to button 1-3 on my razer naga. I dont know if that interfers somehow with razer software and num lock modifiers that razer uses?

#

Oh and yeah, holding shift gives an "?" over they action bar button that ive tried modifying it to but doesnt register with the ability (nothing happens)

untold remnant
#

Then I really don't know man

cursive umbra
#

as i said, i have been looking thorugh my keybinds and was 100% sure shift-keybind wasnt there, and it wasnt.. or so i thought

#

apaprently shift+razer1 (which is num lock 1) is "end" button (i dont kniow why)

#

same as 2 and 3 were page up and page down

#

so i wasnt looking for a shift keybind, i was lf end/page up and page down

#

removed those and now shift works with my razer buttons of choice 😄

nimble idol
#

i tried outlaw after buff but dmg seem again very low in shuffle, there is some guide or streamer to watch for improve?

potent pivot
#

Pikaboo, Palumor, Nahj, whaaazz, raz

#

Nahj usually has a second rogue geared for outlaw

potent pivot
dark kernel
#

We did it fam. Now to 2100?

potent pivot
unreal pelican
#

I feel like my damage as sub is very low, like lower than its meant to be

#

Im usually bottom of the graphs (which i know is kinda expected with how we have cc)

dark kernel
#

You should always do low damage.

unreal pelican
#

But even when i blind the healer and and use all the cds, rotten shadowdance shadow symbols cb sec tech, i feel like i dont even do a third of someones health, let alone threaten a kill

minor cape
#

you sure you got the right build

#

and you are doing everything correctly

dark kernel
#

Link your gear.

minor cape
#

yeah and gear

untold remnant
#

This was hard.. I was at 2092 rating and played 3 games of shuffle where I went 3 wins. Then got a game where I went 1 win and dropped to 2033. Then the game to Duelist, I won 6 rounds and got 72 rating for it 😄

unreal pelican
#

haha im on phone rn so ill have to later

untold remnant
unreal pelican
#

But im more than 50% conq, crafted or upgraded wm gear

#

And I’ve been using the gloomblades build in the faq and before that the faq rotten build

dark kernel
unreal pelican
#

Asay on frostmourne

untold remnant
unreal pelican
#

Oh americas might be the server

minor cape
dark kernel
unreal pelican
#

god ok wow

minor cape
#

cause y know of course a guy with 110% mastery deals more than you

#

cause mastery is subs damage

unreal pelican
#

I thought i was close with around 85 in pvp

dark kernel
unreal pelican
#

dps or burst too?

dark kernel
#

Burst. You should only do 15K DPS over an arena unless it's really short, but in a burst rotation you should be clearing 300K damage

minor cape
#

well not 15k lol

unreal pelican
#

ok will get back into the grind tomorrow 🫡

minor cape
#

but yeah, chances are you will be lowest every game

unreal pelican
#

ty

#

ok that makes me feel better

#

Should i not play gloomblade then?

minor cape
#

cause 85% mastery vs 110 mastery is huge

#

its 25% dam

dark kernel
minor cape
minor cape
#

cause with sub matches end quickly y know

unreal pelican
#

Ive been playing gloomblade since it made my dps feel a bit better

minor cape
#

you can in fact be top dps if you have a flawless 6-0

#

lol

unreal pelican
#

Will go back to rotten with first dance 🫡 thanks for the help scoundrels

minor cape
#

yeah main advice is focus on getting trinkets and cooldowns cause once target has none he dead

#

instead of trying to zug

unreal pelican
#

alas after playing so many different classes i fear the only transferable skills i got from them all is zug

wary spire
#

Well, at least we're eating in bg3.

lucid citrus
#

What do you guys do while you wait in between solo shuffle queues?

surreal barn
#

My work for the day

wary spire
#

Indulge in narcolepsy.

minor cape
#

like its so much easier to play against a spec i played myself

lucid citrus
#

Fair enough lol

jolly sierra
#

too much bloodhunter ensemble

potent pivot
languid ravine
minor cape
potent pivot
minor cape
#

i did

#

it's 11.9%

languid ravine
wary spire
#

Already playing the release.

untold remnant
languid ravine
#

theres a guy in my epic bg who did 42 BILLION damage

jolly sierra
#

was it in ashran?

surreal barn
#

Sounds like normal aff lock business in megabgs to me

jolly sierra
#

got the monthly slutmog

jolly sierra
#

god this xmog is skimpy af

halcyon timber
# unreal pelican Ive been playing gloomblade since it made my dps feel a bit better

Do what you want dude. That’s the honest answer. Gloomblade was their way of bridging the gap a little and solving the nagging about backstab positioning. It can do well but only with LS + symbols rolling honestly.

I’m a gloomblader too and I hope more talent choices are given to accent that moving forward as these trees were designed to have something for everyone.

surreal barn
jolly sierra
#

hope it works to distract my opponents

meager echo
#

bois any tips how to do more dmg? i am kinda new to sub rogue and me and my buddy are at 1600 right now, we have positive winrate but if i am against warrior every time he does 2 times my dmg, i know how to do dance goes, could my damage outside dance be the issue? i have 78% mastery now and im not fully geared maybe this is the problem?

surreal barn
#

Pretty normal we are usually last on dam

languid ravine
#

my mmr on windwalker after one shuffle is higher than I ve been on any char ever starege
hashtag justmatchmakingthings

halcyon timber
jolly sierra
halcyon timber
#

Wind wanker rising sun crust kicks are brutal

jolly sierra
#

they are nerfed atm

but the real thing is

#

they just reversed a recent buff

#

lol

halcyon timber
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Whooo boy

jolly sierra
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(the kick i say)

languid ravine
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I sometimes cringe at the number when it crits

jolly sierra
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i just laugh if i kill somebody with a 150k rsk crit

halcyon timber
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Like 150-180k hits on the primary one yeah?

jolly sierra
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ye

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that was before reversed buff

halcyon timber
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Fist doing like 60k ticks too

jolly sierra
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oh no

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sometimes hits like 80k

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easily

halcyon timber
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No idea what dragon uppercut from street fighter is doing atm

languid ravine
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think like 40-60k twice

jolly sierra
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yeah

languid ravine
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maybe a bit less

jolly sierra
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is buffed

halcyon timber
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Lol only

jolly sierra
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and for real

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just think is a filler button

halcyon timber
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Too bad KSpree isn’t getting love

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Hope dreadblades does or something

jolly sierra
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pretty sussy ngl than rogs doesn't get anything within this weeks

halcyon timber
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Put the cool back in cool downs

jolly sierra
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but literal nothing, no mentions about the class at all

halcyon timber
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Prob because our boy is working

jolly sierra
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yeah, he should come here

halcyon timber
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Too busy helping put out fires elsewhere

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Bless that guy fr

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As long as core abilities are what is being focused on / have a pathway im pretty happy man

jolly sierra
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pls improve the defensives too

halcyon timber
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Dunno man, would have loved to hear vial upgrades back in SL

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But that was scrapped

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They def wont bring back combat readiness even though that was easily counterable

jolly sierra
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😦

languid ravine
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I remember when we were promised a stacking damage reduction buff from vial

jolly sierra
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are u sure?

dapper chasm
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Anyone else getting consistent <5 min solo shuffle queues now?

halcyon timber
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There were ways to augment it by pick pocketing ( i digged it)

dapper chasm
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Seems much better

halcyon timber
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Dunno man haven’t queued in a while

dapper chasm
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Call yourself a man

halcyon timber
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I’ve heard its been better

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Nah i am just sleeping for a bit

dapper chasm
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Call yourself a gamer

halcyon timber
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Pvp will be there

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Other things to do atm

dapper chasm
halcyon timber
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XD that face

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Good meme

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Ol captain crunch mustache

halcyon timber
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J jonah jameson has the king of all mustaches

cursive umbra
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How good is RM 2s right now? The million CDs of hpala and all the fcking hunters...

jolly sierra
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should be ok but u will find glad gatekeepers at 1k8

halcyon timber
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Depends on your mage and how solid they are

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Lazy to see things and tunnel vision = not so great of a pizza party

languid ravine
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my mmr actually went down after a 3-1 thank you jesus

stoic spruce
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I had a dream where outlaw wasn't the worst dps spec and it was sooo awesome

jolly sierra
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hope ur dream involved mages being the worst ones

stoic spruce
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I remember giving warriors a hard time

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And

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Mistweavers weren't played that much

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It was beautiful

jolly sierra
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= D

stoic spruce
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And

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And

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Death From Above was really really good

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You should've been there

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Oh the pistol shots

jolly sierra
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ohhhhhhhhhh

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what a good dream

stoic spruce
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I'll take pictures next time

jolly sierra
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sure

tawny kestrel
stoic spruce
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Comparatively it other melee it kinda is

tawny kestrel
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its pretty good in 3s actually

stoic spruce
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What comp

tawny kestrel
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been playing outlaw arcane hpriest

narrow tangle
jolly sierra
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my 1st 6-0 ever with the arms warrior

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the other warr was an arms too and had glad mount

pale storm
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Sir, this is a rogue discord, get out of here with your plate armor and 2h weapons 🤢

jolly sierra
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i did pvp

pale storm
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Don’t make me disarm you

jolly sierra
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me smash

jolly sierra
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dks and rets in a nutshell

narrow tangle
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i reinstalled my wow and forgot to save my addon profiles and weakauras

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im in a pain

agile leaf
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NO WAY MAN, im getting like 30 minute ss queue's and im heated

minor cape
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he grabs you and puts you on his lap

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this representation of dk is wrong

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but ret and lock are about right

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😎

jolly sierra
minor cape
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he can in fact do it twice

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🤓

languid ravine
minor cape
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then he would fall

gritty bobcat
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Has anyone tried full crit on outlaw

minor cape
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y know people in wheelchairs have really strong arms - thats a lot like dk

minor cape
gritty bobcat
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And?

minor cape
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conclusion was

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mastery is better

gritty bobcat
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Its so weird how

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Outlaw doesnt want haste

minor cape
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why weird

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you have snd and your energy is fine

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gcd is not affected for rogue