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feet
feet
for example i xmogged like this some time ago, the only thing can be considered skimpy are the pants, but matched well, so
well, pally aesthetic and racial fits well
thats sooo true bestie
since lore confirmed pally existence in trolls wanted one, so bfa gave me one lol
slutmog example 2
usually they are toxic af too
i had one in my orc fem
found this fuck assaulting me in outdoor
sick
was a NE speaking of NE
well, that doesn't look that slutmog tho
the weapon and shield makes it look more concealed, I couldnt find the REAL weapon and shield I use on account of im not on my acount atm
thought were those ones
OOF
I COULDNT FIND IT
BUT HOW IT IS REEEEEEEEE
has anyone tryed assass with shadow dance ?
yeah
dont
y
I feel there is alot of synergy between talent for shadow dance to do some serious damage but remaining 90% of time would be useless
that is cuz u invest a lot of talent points dropping potential pressure instead
just for a shadow dance charge
⁉️
I'm going to eat your cheese
lore confirmed
night elfs
outfit
she wear that on loading screen
xD
My pepperoni! 
I hate outlaw tree I hate outlaw tree I hate outlaw tree I hate outlaw tree I hate outlaw tree I hate outlaw tree I hate outlaw tree I hate outlaw tree
WHEN THE MOON HITS YOUR EYE LIKE-A BIG PIZZA PIE THATS AMORRRE
No
In fact it's
Not much different from the traditional HO build
Highest I've hit is 140k pistol shot
And 95k dispatch
mastery procs are nutty too
~45k-50k
May I have build plz?
I will give you high five
I run something a but different from the traditional HO build. I wonder how close I am to yours.
Because I feel I do good damage
Bit of context: I was running Loaded Dice the past 2 or so weeks. Got 1800 in 2s and Solo Shuffle with it
Then, as of like, an hour ago, I look at Sekkel's build, since the goat is back
And I realize I was kinda onto something with the Cold Blood nonsense like a month ago. Except there's really no need to run CB
Put Tight Spender wherever if you don't care for it, it's a flex point
DB/KS and Precise Cuts is personal preference too
Noice
Funny
.>
Are you for cereal?
I got out of bed to try this build
It used to say so on the tooltip
But I guess it was left in, even if the tooltip for Prey is PvE centric and doesn't say now
Eridian told me months ago but I thought he was fucking with me
And couldn't/didn't verify because who uses Prey on Outlaw, right?
uhh
lol
yeah who does?
.>
<.<
also the outlaw tree was exact and the rogue tree was 3 talents off
SEXOOOOOOO
Sexoooi
Also
Hidden tech
Blast Guile’s Theme or Tail to Nose as Outlaw for a 10% performance buff
just so you know you cant use stormwind dummy to test it's bugged to shit
pvp mods dont work on it so you legit do 40k more dps to it or some garbage
ye but the numbers this guy is posting are off that dummy
just figured he would wna know that
I heard outlaw is back
is it true
saw some things on forums and apparently it does like 100k dps all game in 2v2 arena
In 2v2 it's good
Ahh really? is it like shadowlands again or?
I've not pvp'd in a while
Aka, outlaw is king?
Nah it's not like outlaw.
I mean SL lol
It's a nerfed version dreadblades and greenskin
But not too nerfed
ahh nice
I just wanna get that sick 1800 transmog
think its easier as outlaw than sub?
Sub
okay thanks
guys im tired of this shet
anyone else noticing channels moving?
my Cr is 1500
im sub rogue i can win every match with 2 dps enemy
but when they come as healer
cant do shit
i do my cd and then bomb in 1 sec great monk fill everyone
its me w my psychic powers
lol
u need coaching cuz rog can play through healer even w 2 dps
any good source i need learn it
watch some streamer like raz, pikaboo or even palumor
https://youtu.be/MZkBoE5EZN4?si=OFfRpqSTEHcAbi5T
have anybody seen this prick in classic?
the killed one i say
me neither but appeared in my sub feed
Pshero is my favorite high functioning autistic. Fuck Elon musk and Greta thungleberger
Pshero has been around for a long time, he’s pretty funny, dry sense of humour. Used to play 2s with Ziqo the mage in tbc and a little wotlk and would run this weird all resilience build and call himself the Bulgarian Brick Wall
or in retail when he was the main necrolord sub in s1
Oh yeah haha
I bought Rank 1 embellishment for 17k instead of rank3 for 5k

and it resold for the full price
phew
oh how lucky
guess that makes me a scammer huh
unless there is an actual good reason for the price tag but I cant even make one up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=oWNt_8xcOZw&t=14m21s this is what got me into rogue pvp and havent stopped since
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the most OG to do it lol
0-6 healer leaves after 4 rounds
guess who was with him the first three :^)
THE AVATAR OF INVERSE LUCK INCARNATE
last match off capping too
pvp movies, cringe af after that era
yea
its smell like 2004-06
shity, cheap music
10 fps
and old video premier font

wyd in here lil bro
Po twojej pysznej zupie
Its not rap, but still funny 
Que passa
Braziliano
close
epic playlists yall wym LOL
Argentina?
Palumor gonna get sub nerfed again lmao. i see his latest video "one shot macro" for sub LOL
no in language lol
bout to take this macro and go hit up shuffle as sub see what it about lol
yeah one shot macros are always insane in arena
coming from u dunno if was sarcasm or for real
That’s as sarcastic as it gets
It’s really easy to just use a defensive though, I mean if you’re doing that to someone without any defensives they were screwed anyway
is there a macro to shiv out of stealth and in shadsow dance and to sap in stealth?
think pikaboo has the sap in stealth one
how much mastery?
It’s a stance macro most likely
1 is stealth and 2 is dance I think
#showtooltip [nocombat,stance:0/2] Shiv; [stance:1] Sap; Shadow Dance
/cast [stance:0/2] Shiv
/cast [stance:1] Sap
Maybe that works I’m not at a computer to check syntax
yeah, that was what I was looking for, think it changed a little since wotlk classic so wasn't sure which stance was whcih
Personally I’d throw the !stealth in there to get you in stealth in case it just happens to become available
The amount of times I accidentally stealth makes me happy
Can priests still self-rez?
yes
Seeking players to come onto my podcast and deep dive on a rogue spec. Needs to be a person with high level recent experience, and able to talk about the spec, how if plays, talents of importance, and any nuances. DMs open.
@jolly sierra go get us some buffs on the podcast
oh boy this again
no. not exclusive to rank 1.
Prefer a person with Gladiator experience or close to it.
see lol
What about friendly friendship?
You ever been in a chat with only glads
So mean
But yeah
uh
its okay, take your time.
ok im going
slutmog player spotted
I dunno, man. If I stumbled upon someone looking like that "She's up for a rodgering" isn't what would come to mind
Or at the very least, they're into some weird, dark stuff
But can you explain class balancing as if it was pizza?
when did you get elite on rog tho
or you mean ret?
if on rog then i didnt tell gratz
so gratz

Kek
Nice balance blizzard…
Good to see the statistics confirm my feeling that rogue is the worst class in the game
Now let's give some buffs
Lets hope after our rework we get to have this level of representation for a season.
Seems to be the trend get rework be broken for a season killing the whole community
Oh no wait
we rogues we can never be good.
Rogue is balanced around 1400 players not trinketing anything and dying without defensives to your go's.
More like open world and random bgs.
ok I wanna play rogue
how much worse is outlaw than sub
I dont really care for assassination, but if my options are shadow magic wizard assassin (cringe) or pirate lady with gun (cool), im only gonna go with sub if its FAR better
im sub with 448 pvp ilvl i can burst like 130k (with sporclock)
i think its far better
also does outlaw build mastery?
It’s kinda far better rn, outlaw isn’t as bad in 2s/3s but it struggles in shuffle
Outlaw builds a mix of mast/crit kinda, all of it’s stats are pretty shit so it doesn’t matter as much as the other specs
I suppose I’ll play sub then
Hopefully outlaw gets some love
And ill be ready for it when it does
what piece do we ignore for tier?
outlaw is pretty bad. It only makes it in 2s because dampening gets high enough that it can't be auto healed through.
😦 why pirate class bad when it so cool
is ass viable in pvp?
every spec is viable, you just need to play a lot better than anyone else all the time, and you'll still lose sometimes
as Assa
anyone know if there are other classes being botted in solo just now other than ele shaman and healing evoker? I've played against a couple of Warriors who disarm within 0.1 second of me press shadowdance every time
outlaw suffers from just lack of damage. When it doesn't even win the consistent damage over a minute compared to burst classes, it's in a really bad spot. Why play outlaw when sub can do the same damage in 6 seconds that outlaw does in 30 seconds
Like helm/chest/legs/shoulders/gloves, or you mean what type of gear?
Conquest, m+, and raid gear
And I think the upgraded wpvp gear(?) never tried
I know you couldn’t with the first Catalyst, tbh I haven’t tried this season
hmm ok
What you guys think bout sub/mm or sub/ret ? We are 2k xp players who wants to have double dps fun. Viable ?
what kind if spell does preser evoker have
i got 1 at 90k hp then he channeled a shit i couldnt even intrerupt
Both work enough to be played if you don't push too high where 2x DPS becomes harder to play. Sub MM has better potential than Sub Ret.
If I ST with 0.1 seconds left on ShD, do I still get the increased damage on the extra hits?
extremely certain that you will lose the damage bonus from dance, however you can press another dance and regain the damage bonus as the SecTec clones land 
What? You mean to tell me that the most independent classes that beat constant dmg and have the most survivability are higher on the most random mode in the game? NO, THAT CANNOT BE TRUE

It's obvious that a class like Rogue won't be high, especially when we count the average of all players, where probably each of us will say that at some point we meet a huge hill, because suddenly no one extends our cc, no one beats our target and every enemy knows that cc on our main ability us do nothing the rest of the game.
cry more snowfleaks lol
Sorry that was offensive but i laughs reading another cry about Rogue solo being weak
wait are you listing real reasons rogue sucks and then unironically say "git gud"?
No, I want to point out that if they boost this class to be better for solo shuffle it will be a problem in 2vs2 and 3vs3 where it works fine. Unless we want to have a different balance for each content, but that's nonsense imo
Why not try to balance one spec around shuffle and others around 2s and 3s? 
true that, but I do wonder if the class balance is even that much different in coordinated play right now. Should be about the same for healers even
3v3 mid, top 4 dps in 2v2.
And that's only sub.
Assa and law are below mid.
So as an assa I will cry more and my cries will be justified, thank you very much!
maybe in a wrote chat
eksdee
https://www.pvpleaderboard.com/statistics/solo/all/#spec
Also lol here it states that top 5000 is FILLED with sub rogues.
Assa and law are portrayed as meh tho. In all brackets.
So that's consistent.
@nova viper PLEED MY CRIES
PLEED MY CRIES OF PAIN
i had go 2s yesterday and already found glads in 1k8

gatekeeping is real kek

I agree, wasn’t trolling you
tf says here, my client is in spanish lol
rogue good
maintenance from 03 to 04 (CEST).
ty blackguard
oh nice
cheap shot goes on Orc - worth it or no?
are you asking if it is worth stunning an Orc for 3.6 seconds over pressing ambush?
If it is Garrosh Hellscream in Siege of Orgimmar then no
ORC IS OH PEEEEEEEE
ME ORK ME SMASH PUNY ROGUE
why must "rogue dagger" designs suck so much ass. What happened to the awesome dagger designs from back in the day. Like they could have taken this sword model, shrunk it down to dagger size and had a dagger that looks a million times better
that blue one is pretty sick
blue one says s2 elite set
Frost mage without glacial spike viable ?
love seeing two rogue specs at the bottom and blizz over here "next patch" cool lol
next patch maybe
all they gotta do is reverse the season 1 OL nerfs maybe one more dmg buff and id be fine till then lol
the rogue changes aren't going to be that sweeping, it's ironing out some wrinkles and pain points in the trees. Nothing substantial is changing at all
Oooh can we use lock's dagger?
so 10.2's maybe rogue changes, won't magically make us good
I would be okay with that if we also had regular tuning.
As is - we're waiting for maybe small changes in 2-3 months with assa and law being bottom tier for half of season 1 and all of season 2. 
oh it's bullshit for sure, but I wouldn't hold my breath. If we are at all good, we will be over performing against the drooling morons at 1200-1400 and will get nerfed again
That's like 7 months without tuning total. ~100$ from law players to be a punching bag.
There 50+ rogues over 2.1 with assa and outlaw it’s not a class issue ofc it underperforms but rogue is still not a class where u kekw press pve and win u still need to play with brain
oh this old arguement
Also 16 laws and 378 balance druids.
because r1 players can make outlaw and sin work, it's fine
ask those r1 players about how the specs play, and if they enjoy having to work so much harder than everyone else
go ahead, i'll wait
just fucking play another class meanwhile
if there are not any kind of tuning then they are working in it
Nah I'm waiting for bg.
its way too suspicious than there are not any big tuning
I tried playing other classes - don't like em.
for rogs since some decent time ago
prepare the coom, this xmog is the new prize for TP tomorrow
god august offers are good af
Nah, I have no faith. I'll believe it when I see it. 
Tru!
That looks juicy. Wonder if transmog toy actually worth.
Considering the mount.
thought it was the pet trader at 1st sight
and how do you know that exactly?

because Realz has said as such
i don't think it's going to be as small as you're describing
so outside of the "intending new talents" which means, he wants to, but may or may not add them
it's as small as described
and since he didn't mention mage in his comparison of expectations, it wont even be on the level of the mage rework
that's very different from your first message
"it's ironing out some wrinkles and pain points in the trees. Nothing substantial is changing at all"
there's numerous other posts where he clarifies what he means exactly, feel free to search and go through them
yes i've seen them
a lot of the people are expecting paladin level of rework, sweeping changes to how the specs function
that is what I mean by nothing substantial
the 3 specs will still be the same specs. They might get some new talents, they might not be worth using in pvp. The core of the specs is not changing
ye ofc, but i still think the size of the changes will have a substantial impact
guess it's a bit subjective
it is a bit
and I don't mean to be argumentative with you
I just want to temper people's expectations
think he need to be ambiguous by blizzard's orders as i recall in forums
Outlaw for instance, wont be changing from a flat damage spec
Realz likes that it's the odd duck out, in that regard

so isn't that exact as dev
he might want to add something that gives it a little spike now and again, but nothing even close to the "burst specs"
dunno at this step what will do
we do and we don't
but imo he needs to come here to consider our words
he has already spoke to the pve channels on a lot of his ideas
if the fucking spec was designed to pvp
we'll have to see what makes it to the PTR
in the 1st place
and I agree, he should come into the PvP channel and get feedback here as well. Like he did during the pre-DF PTR. But I doubt PvP is on his mind at all with the changes, since he has yet to speak in here
which is also understandable, if PvP isn't part of this timeline, then it's not part of the timeline. Nothing he can do if his boss gives him the greenlight for some PvE changes but not PvP
also also, Realz is in charge of Rogue as a whole. The pvp balancing of numbers tuning has been a different team entirely in the past, and I'm not aware of that having changed at all recently
dunno how tf will be done then
but when i tried to call him to come here, just dodged the topic
then i don't expect stuff there
I'm cautiously optimistic
look
if they bring back combat readiness alongside the other defensives and buff elusiveness im happy
Idr why I take elusiveness tbh
I feel like I'd die through cheat death lol
heya im very new to sub, for my weapons does it matter if the off hand is sword or a dagger?
I think id like to have a sword if its possible so i can swap to outlaw in the future without needing a new weapon
nah doesn't matter that much
and what crafted pieces should i be going for? i saw the faq hasnt been updated for 10.1
ah thank you, will give it a look
just got accused of kick botting, because a mage is casting glacial near me as we are tunneling, I wait till 3/4 cast and kick him and he dies without block
2 different rounds
love solo shuffle
Inc ban
he "even got it clipped"
veil touched isn’t included in the pinned rotten build, is this not like just 5% more damage for free??
1750ish lobby
ppl is weird af
i once was accused of hacking cuz i 1 shotted a guy using a macro with a trinket, blood of the enemy and the regular burst in bfa
the guy was salty af
i used this back in the day in that macro, imagine how mad was the guy
That trinket was sick, the visual was really cool too.
yeah i recall how funny was to see the dragon
Hey with thiefs bargain do i use shadow blades at opener?
pure SEXOOO
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think about it this way - if you pop blades you will deal more damage anyway
so just as usual
if you want pop, if you dont dont
some people however prepop blades so that debuff wears off
not sure if its good
however recently most of my shuffle games were so insanely quick that i didn't even play thiefs bargain lol 
I might arena start pop shadowblades
Cause they last for 20 secs, thats enough to wait out the 6 seconds, then have 2 shadowdances in the remaining time
i wouldn't cause you get less shadowblades time which might actually equal to less overall damage
this makes sense too
honestly that 10% feels like the normal secrettech error margin lol
cause i mean outside of shadowdance im not really doing much damage
same
A lot of top players seem to on murlokio
raz says first dance is useless in cdr build
But im still getting used to rogue
cause you top your combo points anyway
but i do like to first dance kidney
sometimes
ok so I suppose I’ll start playing gloom lol
I mean to me it makes sense
Like im not losing anything but im gaining more damage
well, you see
what most do is take the other node
where first dance is
the energy regen one
not gloom
but there are gloom builds, i just dont think gloom is that good
actually i also lose subterfuge
ouch
Actually that only works for actual stealth
Why cant I cast shadowdance in stealth with the gloomblade build???
no subterfuge i guess
you can do a macro to cancel stealth on dance
i think
The combo i had been doing from stealth on opener was; shadowdance, cheap shot, shadowstrike, evis, symbols, shadowstrike, secret tech (with badge and cb)
Actually i guess i could get the cancel stealth and itd be the same
Or would i lose a global
why shadowdance before cheap shot
nah
Gm morioh cho~!
So id get another danse stack
For the big boy secret technique
oke makes sense
but if you have first dance you can also cheap offtarg and kidney main
🤪
See thats alot of buttons that i cant currently press in time
I believe the actual advise isn’t to play around danse stacks really.
The extra global during dance even for a repeat ability will do more damage than that extra danse stack will give.
Just always do secret tech as your second finisher and you’re good.
Could be mistaken though.
Just seems a waste to throw stealth away.
might even be fine to just sectech right away
like to go sstrike sectech
so you give less time to react and 100% fit into prey on the weak window
Ye in pve sure having a fixed rotation but in pvp has to be dynamic and playing around a buff that does 6% per stack will probably make you miss something more important than that 6% damage amp on a wet noodle 😛
but im already gonna be stunning them no?
but you're wasting one global during dance to cheat shot when you can do that from normal stealth.
which can be used for extra damage
you will restun target most likely anyway so might as well first dance a kidney
😎
to not have to do that
but yeah no way should you cheapshot after dance if you can just do it out of stealth
haha 6% per stack
you wish
pretty sure its nerfed in pvp or smth
in a round w my monk got a very disgusting couple of rogue mage gatekeepers
in the 1st one i got deleted
then i went rogue and just stick on the bastard and ended winning
fuck were obnoxious af w the arcane mage constantly spamming poly
You did your be-e-e-st.
so when does mmr inflate
I could be wrong but I think it is 12-14 per week at the moment
Going micro transactions!
trading post p2w goes brrrrrrr
Yeh it’s 4% in pvp and prey is 5%.
oh no i hope they dont make this like swtor cartel market
explain that
you see swtor gives subscribers a 1000 "cartel coins" a month
which you can get from in game activities but very little
or you can also donate some more
and then you have of courses cases
with cosmetic shit
and there are items in rotation that have discounts
which honestly trading post starts to resemble
with microtransactions
😭
the reason this sucks is that swtor started to make a lot of money from that and they basically do a lot of work with this microtransaction shop but barely make actual content
Cases aren't a thing in modern gaming anymore
no game made in the last 5 or so years has had cases
because its considered gambling
its all about battlepasses now
yoooo guys 4 tier rogue subtlety versa>mastery>crit or 2 tiers versa>mastery??
i dont see a problem.
most of the trading post items are utter rubbish with 2-3 very good and useful items
sounds like HS runestones
got a guy in outdoor which tried to kill me while i was hitting another one
killed him, then i said "that is what u got u pig"
he insulted from my mom to me calling me a son of a
then i reported him and said he was just a barker and never appeared when i was full hp and alone
= D
The problem is when a system for spending money is introduced into an activity the activity later morphs into one that pushes you into spending money.
Well, as long as it doesn't offer straight up power I guess.
Imagine "Arena-specific healing potions" being sold there. 
being okay with this is a gateway to worse things
Yep.
eyah
Real winners whine.
They don't teach ya that in school.
We had a guy at my work that threw hissy fits every time someone told him that he made a mistake.
People just started to silently fix his mistakes for him.
eayh
He was our best employee from manager's point of view. 
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
we had one which everytime he had a mistake which would cost him his job just went mad or ask us if we were blaming him
then one day he become so mad than told our supervisor all things we did (w him involved in this ofc)
the supervisor didn't heard his words seriously and 1 month later was fired KEK
Not sexo.
took me a couple weeks moonlighting as a PVEr but got the full mythic mog set today. the purple is pretty nice
managed to do a FULL SET
This looks pretty good
ty
Helmet missing. Can't even do full set right 
w pandas u forgot helms exists
you might be obsessed with pandas
why so lol
Are you a panda and or a female?
If you said yes to either of them, you're halfway to being your character in WoW!!
That's sooo awesome!!!
I'm almost my wow character too
I just need to be bulimic (which I will not do)
this guy playing Kul tiras druid IRL
Nuh uh
those kul tirans are obnoxious af
have u heard a warrior?
just shout AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA like by 10 seconds
come to voice chat and hear me
so u can check one of the biggest server mysteries
What do yal think the best comp to do a glad push is right now
boomkin spriest hpal (fav)
unholy ww hpal
rmp
boomkin teammate always feels good imo
me too except im a hairy nerd and not a hot nelf
Is outlaw viable after buff? For shuffle
it can be rough but yeah
Returning rogue, any major changes since 10.1 (in 10.1.5 and onwards) that needs considering? Sub still 2set rotten/secret technique or something else thats meta?
Barely any. But in 10.2 rogue will get so many changes, so many!
Hoo boy.
It is not determined how many, actually. Perhaps not so much. Maybe none. But probably many! So many.
next patch for sure
The funniest shit is going to happen too. They’ll cut sectec and the next day everyone will be asking for it back
Tru.
Hello guys, new sub rogue player, i see there are many builds for rogue but i wonder if there is some explanation somewhere which build is best for which bracket?
or just in general?
you play cdr rotten build with secret tech 100% of the time
in sub tree there is wiggle room but you pretty much always go down to danse macabre and rotten and take secret tech
in left tree you can sometimes go for vigor but default is taking cold blood and second dance and not going for vigor
there are alternative builds - with flagelation and finality or without sectech, but those are rarely played rn
oh i see man, that's super helpful, i also want to ask because i see some rogues playing thistle tea, can you give me some info about it?
they play 1 dance and tea
Lol I was just in a shuffle with a brewmaster
its a full pve build that some guy played on awc
it worked
but it was a super situational thing
i doubt there is really a reason to play it in everyday life
ST can kick rocks anyway, just another gimmick where nothing else does reliable damage.
It’s fine if stuff like that exists but putting everything into this isn’t “fun”. Would rather have fat shadow strikes and reliable glooms slamming jokers and not rely on 1 ability as an option.
Its very comp specific, for example I would never play it against mages because you ll be mobility starved without vanish CDR
but wheelchair classes as lock and DK you can press large pve uptime
oh yeah dude i bet they will delete secret tech without any compensation
or the usual secret technique nerfed by 33%
gloomblade and backstab damage inecreased by 3%
i mean why even pve uptime a dk
just get defensives and kill it
sure just press dance and go 6 - 0 every match
thats all we gotta do
ladies and gentlemen
heyo, is Katsuyo from Hyjal here, by any chance?
i am thinking of assass build with shadow dance to play similar to sub with these talents https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAPFVQUUBVAYkUJgYEBUNVSJEUVCFRWQkQBA
the idea is to burst every 1 minute and then run away and reset. as a burst rotation out of stealth you use garote - rupture (for elaborated planing) - shadow dance - cheep shot - ambush - shiv - envenom - cheap shot - ambush - envenom
whatcha guys think ?
Assass is giga fun in BGs
until you remember that stealth is still bugged
..is exsang fixed at least? cant remember
no acrobatic strikes is giga cringe to me
same as losing 4% vers there is no way in hell that is worth it
also what does this burst approach have over Subtlety rogue?
kinda cool build though maybe tehre is a niche matchup for it
wait theres no way 1 point scent of blood is better than bone spike
thinking a bit more its sad how anti-synergistic assash kit is with rogue in general.
If you are forced into Tea sipping, then all the direct damage stuff does not benefit from mastery, reverse is also true in regards to Find Weakness and damage over time
also, assuming your bleeds deal the majority of your damage that locks you out of going lethality to produce more finishers, because A reprimand exists and also you have nothing good to use cold blood on
therefore you always go Tea ER and mfd
I mean, there is a reason that the PvE side avoids Dance builds like the plague and describes it as cursed. Dance doesn't fit the Assa playstyle at all, and you lose damage (from what I remember pre-DF testing)
PvE doesn't always cross over into PvP for builds, but at the same time, if you are trying to go for max damage, and PvE wont touch Dance, that's a good indicator at least in my mind, that it wont work
eh I dont see how that is an indicator
you dont use triple cheap shot or triple silence to generate any value in PvE
fair, but you as you said you lose a lot going for Dance
and do we know if they ever made it so the imp garrote works with Dance?
that might be what I am remembering from pre-DF
actually no clue if it works, never tried 
we should get Shadenox in here, he would know if/why Shadow Dance would work for Assa
Well, the idea is that you get garrote and rupture up for energy regen. Garote gives systematic failure for more ambush damage , rupture also gives elaborated planning and scent of blood for more damage. Then you follow with cheap shot for stun, FW, master assassin, prey on the weak and BOOM big ambush, then BOOM big shiv, and BOOM big envenom
kinda 1 min build and then you run
also master assassin synergizes with seal fate for more ambush CP and more finisher damage. On paper it seems to synergize very well but cant test it right now compared to sub burst
If it works for you then it works /shrug.
no need to consult the moon about the sun's affairs.
so im doing some skirmishes for this weekly. didnt realize i have pve gear on. this dragon bomb does 80k for normal hits lol
it's just not worth spending all the points to get to it
yeah I really didn't think so, but I never bothered to try so I didn't want to speak too much on the subject
don't use shadow dance w assa
you wanna play like a sub do you?
the mastery from tea comes fine and u waste a lot of talents spending into shadow dance row
a lot of useless ones
Is Scent of blood really that valuable? or is it really only worth it if you have Rupture on 2+ targets?
is not that nice if the fucker makes a 6-0
not that lobby boomy went 0-6 though lmao
ah good shit
Any of y'all Fury enjoyers noticing your MS effect "slaughterhouse" often not stacking at all?
I've noticed I press buttons and the global goes off but the ability doesn't register
hmm so I suspect something removed the stacks and later it was still on internal cooldown
So guys
What stats do i want on outlaw
Im kind of confused
Should i go 30% mastery and then haste>mastery
Any crit?
the main theory right now is just full mastery
part of that is just what has been working, and part of that is because Assa and Sub go full mastery so that's the gear people have
Crit has been the move in seasons past, but mastery has seemed to be working better right now
you don't need haste, the DF iteration of outlaw hates haste
which is weird imo
hello, am beginner to pvp, had some previous rogue exp, didn't enjoy pvp on fury really, wanna try rogue, what's easier spec to perform well on lower rating ( while learning spec or pvp in general ) assassination or sub ?
assa is the easiest between those two but is the squishiest overall
u will need to use a sporecloak and a battlemaster trinket if u are go solo shuffle
Rogue is hard overall when u want play solo
but remember
always stun kill target

what makes it hard? is it rogue role within arena or rotation or the current meta ?
Thanks
You need to learn to manage your cc and survival skills. You only get brust damage per hit if you play SUB and your main value is cc traget control.
u welcome
sexoooooooooooooooo
Sexoooooo
god i never get bored saying that
I see, I can understand the game plan of rogue more clearly than fury, don't get me wrong, fury is so easy to play, but I can't really figure what I need to do next, yes dps never stops, I just follow who every my team is trying to kill and try to cc healer / other dps when I can, but I feel I am limited, can figure out my next step. while watching rogue in arena, it's more clear how they play, sap target, kidney other and burst down, if they don't kill they usually vanish , and disrupt healer, and get back to burst kill target ( that's my observation playing with other rogues ), am willing to put time into the spec, if I can feel effective in arena, that's why I want to start with the easier spec in order to get better feeling of my role.
i ended switching back to arms due to it making more pressure into multiple targets
fury was way too tunnel vision in playstyle for me
arms does cleave dmg and more pressure through sharpen blade
Yes, and you are quite dependent on the team, because on solo your teammates have to connect two gray cells and beat the target that you gave a stun
the guy i killed days ago in wpvp is sending me angry mails now
i just asked him "who are u" and returned his 6 cooper lol
lololo still
i killed the same boomie 8 times in wpvp because i was farming a traders post quest (I WANT THE SET WITH TATTOOS REEEE)
he was mad too and told me to get a life 😩
ganking people in wpvp feels bad man
yeah lol, i call them cowards when they ambush me (always are hunters) but always end killing them
and they are from my faction so they read it lol
dude guess how i farmed the rest of that quest
killing the guy
always is the hunter
the opportunistic one lol
i recall another wq
where i was tanking the elite boss
and then 2 hunters from my faction started shooting me after it died
i was w ret so i killed both lol
but not before calling them cowards
btw im thinking in reporting this guy if he keeps spamming my mail
but in a ticket, to ensure the stuff
you got that threatening letter from conquest box lol
yeah but explicit
im pretty sure you can just block him
i know
"Meet me near the stormwind gates"
fellas couldn't even kill a man in a wheelchair
dunno how salty u should be to mail a guy which killed u defending himself when he was doing another 1v1
yeah a shame
sometimes i wanna record myself doing this stuff but i recall i have a very shitty laptop lol
hoj then the final reckoning macro w wings and badge
and the hunter lose 50% hp w that lol
heh funny
dunno who was the responsible for making those class designs
if you play that build
gn 
Ok so, trying to get to the bottom of this once and for all. How do i make shift work as a modifier? I use ctrl and alt currently but want shift as well. Addin shift as a modifier in macros just doesnt do anything. Yes ive spelled it correctly, no i dont have it keybound somrwhere else. I use razer naga mouse that i want to add the modifierd to
Anyone that has experienced this and/or can help me out?
Ive googled and done every suggested solution found but nothing works
(Shift used to be my main modifier but it stoped working in SL and i cant get it to work again)
You probably have keybinds that use Shift already. So if you have actionbars holding Shift+1 for example, if you would try to modify the ability on slot 1 with a shift modifier, it won't work because shift+1 is already keybound.
I dont have any keybinds that use shift. Ive looked over all my keybinds like 1000 times
I dont say that to be rude. Its just that that was my first thought as well
Im trying to get shift modifiers to button 1-3 on my razer naga. I dont know if that interfers somehow with razer software and num lock modifiers that razer uses?
Oh and yeah, holding shift gives an "?" over they action bar button that ive tried modifying it to but doesnt register with the ability (nothing happens)
Then I really don't know man
thanks for trying to help out, i think i found it!
as i said, i have been looking thorugh my keybinds and was 100% sure shift-keybind wasnt there, and it wasnt.. or so i thought
apaprently shift+razer1 (which is num lock 1) is "end" button (i dont kniow why)
same as 2 and 3 were page up and page down
so i wasnt looking for a shift keybind, i was lf end/page up and page down
removed those and now shift works with my razer buttons of choice 😄
i tried outlaw after buff but dmg seem again very low in shuffle, there is some guide or streamer to watch for improve?
Can try to catch a rogue streamer playing outlaw but it’s not super common, most main sub/assa usually
Pikaboo, Palumor, Nahj, whaaazz, raz
Nahj usually has a second rogue geared for outlaw
You want a mix of mast/crit usually, so like
Vers > mastery = crit > haste
We did it fam. Now to 2100?

I feel like my damage as sub is very low, like lower than its meant to be
Im usually bottom of the graphs (which i know is kinda expected with how we have cc)
You should always do low damage.
But even when i blind the healer and and use all the cds, rotten shadowdance shadow symbols cb sec tech, i feel like i dont even do a third of someones health, let alone threaten a kill
Link your gear.
yeah and gear
This was hard.. I was at 2092 rating and played 3 games of shuffle where I went 3 wins. Then got a game where I went 1 win and dropped to 2033. Then the game to Duelist, I won 6 rounds and got 72 rating for it 😄
gratz my dude
🫡
haha im on phone rn so ill have to later
Gogo mate, you can do it!
But im more than 50% conq, crafted or upgraded wm gear
And I’ve been using the gloomblades build in the faq and before that the faq rotten build
What's your char name and server
Asay on frostmourne
Thanks, what a ride it was. Gonna take a chill pill and steamroll it on a monk now :p
Oh americas might be the server
gear issue
You're just undergeared and mastery isn't that high. Sub rogue lives and died by Mastery stacking. I have 110% in pvp
god ok wow
cause y know of course a guy with 110% mastery deals more than you
cause mastery is subs damage
I thought i was close with around 85 in pvp
You also don't have a gladiator main hand weapon, huge loss.
dps or burst too?
Burst. You should only do 15K DPS over an arena unless it's really short, but in a burst rotation you should be clearing 300K damage
well not 15k lol
ok will get back into the grind tomorrow 🫡
but yeah, chances are you will be lowest every game
I watch Nahj pretty religiously and he rarely has higher than 15k average DPS in an arena match.
oh yeah fuck that
well maybe im wrong
cause with sub matches end quickly y know
Ive been playing gloomblade since it made my dps feel a bit better
Will go back to rotten with first dance 🫡 thanks for the help scoundrels
yeah main advice is focus on getting trinkets and cooldowns cause once target has none he dead
instead of trying to zug
alas after playing so many different classes i fear the only transferable skills i got from them all is zug
Well, at least we're eating in bg3.
What do you guys do while you wait in between solo shuffle queues?
My work for the day
Indulge in narcolepsy.
nah, now you know their ways of dealing dam and defending themselves
like its so much easier to play against a spec i played myself
furiously masturbate

Fair enough lol
Not quite
I m almost 2k on hashash rogue and I cant even juke 1400cr arms warriors as frost mage
Zug zug brain is real
yeah but gotta do maths

what the fuck it is out today I thought it was going to be Early Access forever
Already playing the release.
Just cast poly and they will kick
was it in ashran?
Sounds like normal aff lock business in megabgs to me
got the monthly slutmog
god this xmog is skimpy af
Do what you want dude. That’s the honest answer. Gloomblade was their way of bridging the gap a little and solving the nagging about backstab positioning. It can do well but only with LS + symbols rolling honestly.
I’m a gloomblader too and I hope more talent choices are given to accent that moving forward as these trees were designed to have something for everyone.
Now you have just the right amount of furry
coom
hope it works to distract my opponents
bois any tips how to do more dmg? i am kinda new to sub rogue and me and my buddy are at 1600 right now, we have positive winrate but if i am against warrior every time he does 2 times my dmg, i know how to do dance goes, could my damage outside dance be the issue? i have 78% mastery now and im not fully geared maybe this is the problem?
Pretty normal we are usually last on dam
my mmr on windwalker after one shuffle is higher than I ve been on any char ever 
hashtag justmatchmakingthings
If it is a class that actually does damage by pressing buttons, just stun for them and assist in between
If it is a healer friend then they kinda assist as you kidney shot the dude you want to send to the grave .
seriously thinking in queuing as ww for SS
Wind wanker rising sun crust kicks are brutal
Whooo boy
(the kick i say)
I sometimes cringe at the number when it crits
i just laugh if i kill somebody with a 150k rsk crit
Like 150-180k hits on the primary one yeah?
Fist doing like 60k ticks too
No idea what dragon uppercut from street fighter is doing atm
think like 40-60k twice
yeah
maybe a bit less
is buffed
Lol only
pretty sussy ngl than rogs doesn't get anything within this weeks
Put the cool back in cool downs
but literal nothing, no mentions about the class at all
Prob because our boy is working
yeah, he should come here
Too busy helping put out fires elsewhere
Bless that guy fr
As long as core abilities are what is being focused on / have a pathway im pretty happy man
pls improve the defensives too
Dunno man, would have loved to hear vial upgrades back in SL
But that was scrapped
They def wont bring back combat readiness even though that was easily counterable
😦
I remember when we were promised a stacking damage reduction buff from vial
are u sure?
Anyone else getting consistent <5 min solo shuffle queues now?
There were ways to augment it by pick pocketing ( i digged it)
Seems much better
Dunno man haven’t queued in a while
Call yourself a man
Call yourself a gamer

J jonah jameson has the king of all mustaches
How good is RM 2s right now? The million CDs of hpala and all the fcking hunters...
should be ok but u will find glad gatekeepers at 1k8
Depends on your mage and how solid they are
Lazy to see things and tunnel vision = not so great of a pizza party
my mmr actually went down after a 3-1 thank you jesus
I had a dream where outlaw wasn't the worst dps spec and it was sooo awesome
hope ur dream involved mages being the worst ones
I remember giving warriors a hard time
And
Mistweavers weren't played that much
It was beautiful
= D
And
And
Death From Above was really really good
You should've been there
Oh the pistol shots
I'll take pictures next time
sure
honestly it isnt that bad
Comparatively it other melee it kinda is
its pretty good in 3s actually
What comp
been playing outlaw arcane hpriest
thats pretty normal to have the lowest dmg with sub, outside of dance you prepare a setup for your next dance
my 1st 6-0 ever with the arms warrior
the other warr was an arms too and had glad mount
Sir, this is a rogue discord, get out of here with your plate armor and 2h weapons 🤢
b-but this is a pvp thread
i did pvp
Don’t make me disarm you
me smash
dks and rets in a nutshell
i reinstalled my wow and forgot to save my addon profiles and weakauras
im in a pain
NO WAY MAN, im getting like 30 minute ss queue's and im heated
dk is in a wheelchair except he has a very long arm
he grabs you and puts you on his lap
this representation of dk is wrong
but ret and lock are about right
😎
at least can do it once and u can shadowstep away lol
what do you mean? stilts are perfect to reach out and hook someone with, same as walking stick
then he would fall
Has anyone tried full crit on outlaw
y know people in wheelchairs have really strong arms - thats a lot like dk
people tried in beggining of season
And?



