pvp

[restive hemlock]

Can't afford that shit 😦

[harsh steppe]

numpad 1

[minor cape]

but i have a free bind on B

which i cant press in combat

anyway

[magic schooner]

every character baby

[languid ravine]

??? where is /cancelaura Bladestorm

[minor cape]

WolfsMind would be a real chad

if he didnt play warrior

[magic schooner]

LOL

[potent pivot]

Everything here is done/answered mostly by volunteers who also aren’t in it for monetary gains.

[minor cape]

i mean still chad, but ungodly one

[magic schooner]

(E)

[restive hemlock]

Anyone else use Capslock for a bind lol? Always my interupt

[minor cape]

but

if you execute, place flag

and he doesn't die

and then you loose

it's going to be sad

[magic schooner]

oh it doesnt place unless they're dead

[minor cape]

lol

[magic schooner]

I mean it's called execute

blizzard wouldn't make an abilitiy called execute that doesnt actually kill someone

[restive hemlock]

Used execute on fury? Feels like it just tickles em

[minor cape]

anyways i dont have the flag

😦

how do i get it?

[restive hemlock]

I may buy the poor mans flag with bloody tokens

[restive hemlock]

Lots of gold and/or money

Black Market Auction House to answer your question

[minor cape]

so many cool items that are not possible to get

arcanite ripper, flag

😩

[magic schooner]

probably wait for twitch drop

tbh

[pale storm]

Flag and bag em

I have a macro with all my flags + epic purple shirt lol so it puts down flag of ownership, the flag from the arena coliseum thing in WoD from garrison, the bloody tokens one, I think I have a few more, so kill them, spam macro and put down like 3-4 flags then uses epic purple shirt which has your character /flex lol

Bad manners af

[wary spire]

haha the wheel goes brr rrb brrrrr rb.

[magic schooner]

two mouse set up, but the 1-12 keys are exclusively for arenas in wow

arena1,arena2,arena3 targets basically

[pale storm]

I use the OG steel series wow mmo mouse lol I use 10 buttons on the mouse, then shift and ctrl modifiers for all 10 of those buttons, then e, f, r also with shift and ctrl mods

[restive hemlock]

I bought one of those mmo mice but only have 2 of the side buttons bound lol. Too old to learn new tricks I guess

[pale storm]

I am the opposite, used this mouse since wotlk original release, so literally bought a bunch of extras in case they die, since I would be lsot witohut it

[languid ravine]

I cant live without infinite scroll wheel anymore

[harsh steppe]

yup, my 10 11 12 are those, then shift for focus 1 2 3

[harsh steppe]

is that how all razer mouses are? jesus i thought it was just my version or just mine or something lol. scrolling is SO LOUD on it lmfao

[magic schooner]

the Naga X is leagues better than other options

highly recommend if ur on a scimitar, and older naga - or god forbid

[wary spire]

Mine started "dancing" after a month.

[magic schooner]

somethign by logitech

[wary spire]

Scroll up - it scrolls down 20% of the time.

And the opposite.

[magic schooner]

how much you scrolling?

sounds like you broke it pretty quickly

[wary spire]

I have my dots on the wheel kek.

[magic schooner]

yeah okay that'll do it

well it could

would recommend not doing that hey

lol

[wary spire]

Logitech survived for 3 years without issue.

[languid ravine]

no way in hell is that overusage

[magic schooner]

other than being a massively overweighted piece of junk

with god awful sensors

[wary spire]

I took it apart the first day i got it to take the weights out.

I'm no Rock Lee.

[languid ravine]

g502 gang for life

[magic schooner]

literally garbage

133g

[magic schooner]

disgusting, someone ban this filth

[wary spire]

They have literal metal plates inside.

For no reason.

[magic schooner]

it's an old marketing gimick

from the 2000s era

'weighted mice' were marketed as better

because people weren't thinking about using the things for decades and destroying their wrists

same thing as the crazy DPI/CPI

literally can't even compare naga x to the other 3 major mmo providers

it's ~60% of the weight

with a far more modern sensor

[wary spire]

Right now I'm rocking roccat kone XP.

It looks dumb, I like it.

[magic schooner]

yeah it looks real bad

bin tier, though definitely better than the corsair and logitech,
https://steelseries.com/gaming-mice/aerox-9-wireless
is comparable to the naga x

but not a fan of hexes

[wary spire]

Ye I was thinking on getting it.

But people say the buttons are positioned poorly.

Naga is cool and all, but I'm not the only one with the wheel problem. Trying to solve it I came to a lot of threads about it being broken.

[minor cape]

i have that logitech mouse too

except a more non gaming model

[magic schooner]

yeah I dunno what's going on with this

I hear this online a lot

but I know loads of people with stuff from razer that just goes the distance

[harsh steppe]

ahh i'll have to try that next time, i have the naga trinity

[minor cape]

logitech m705, this one

this mouse slaps

[magic schooner]

the trinity is the older gen, so doesn't have the weight advantage

[wary spire]

It's like Xbox elite 2 controller.

[minor cape]

also why is like lighter mouse better, i like the ones with more weight

[wary spire]

It's perfect but can break in a week/month.

[harsh steppe]

ahh it's the one pikaboo kept recommended on his stream so i got it lol
it's really good tho i love it, just loud on the scrolling

[magic schooner]

oh god, it's awful

[harsh steppe]

maint done

[minor cape]

who even cares about weight

i don't get it at all

i hate every light mouse i touch

[magic schooner]

it's the most important feature of a mouse, other than the sensor, and hand fit

[wary spire]

Mom didn't raise no weak handed whimp!

[magic schooner]

and if you're not playing fps, it's the most

[minor cape]

whats the feature

of being light

if i want one that isnt light

😩

[magic schooner]

genuinely

carpal tunnel avoidance

[minor cape]

however

i overall use very high sensitivity

[magic schooner]

that is also

extremely bad for you

high sens, shit sensors on the mouse, and a heavy mouse

your wrist is cooking

and you're gonna realise it sooner or later

[minor cape]

nah it's very chill

[magic schooner]

how old are ya?

[minor cape]

23

[magic schooner]

do you work with computers?

[minor cape]

yes

[magic schooner]

yeah, you need to get on top of this shit quickly

you'll get away for a few more years

[minor cape]

i feel my wrist cooking on low sens tho

[magic schooner]

but that motherfucker is gonna come knocking soon

[wary spire]

My fav mouse is prob glorious model o.

Too bad it doesn't have 999 buttons.

[magic schooner]

nah, it's because you've already cooked your wrist, and you're moving around a heavy mouse

you're trying to transfer the motion that your creating from your wrist joint and muscles, to your arm/elbow

so lower sens, lower weight

[minor cape]

i work w computers, play guitar , started playing drums

im the carpal tunnel target audience

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/harbleu-hands-unnatural-gif-18005754

[minor cape]

i think

[magic schooner]

sorta? you right handed or left?

[minor cape]

right

[magic schooner]

right handed guitar will exagerate the problem if you typically play electric/lead

drums might help

[wary spire]

Soon you'll be non-handed, HA.

[minor cape]

yup electric and lead only

lol

[magic schooner]

if you're a rhythm player most of the time like I tend to be, it'll help a little

yeah nah, you're cooked man

[minor cape]

idk, i use my wrist tho for sure

and its very relaxed

i dont elbow my mouse

[fathom dew]

Got a corsair scimitar on prime day to replace a g502 and the difference is insane

[magic schooner]

I promise you, this shit is going to fuck you up

you gotta get this shit fixed

[minor cape]

i dont get how does high sens make it worse

[magic schooner]

love the design, hate the weight, replaced it to manage my carpal tunel

[magic schooner]

high sens means you're making small movements of the mouse

[fathom dew]

Seems pretty light to me at least compared to my old one

[magic schooner]

think micro adjustments and micro tears in the muscle

[minor cape]

it's bad?

[wary spire]

My man, are you in the business of selling mice?

[magic schooner]

it encourages you to use your wrist

[minor cape]

i didn't know

[magic schooner]

I was a video game academic for most of a decade before covid killed game science lol

[minor cape]

however i dont think 20gs of mouse will change shit

but w sens you are probably right

[magic schooner]

I thought you were rocking a 130+ g boy?

[minor cape]

yeah and what is good weight

isnt it like 100-110

or smth

[magic schooner]

generally speaking under 90 is considered good

the naga x is 85

and if you go for an ultralight class mouse, like the vipers its usually in the 60-70

and it makes a BIG difference

[minor cape]

what good mouse would you recommend

[magic schooner]

https://www.rocketjumpninja.com/top-mice

[minor cape]

that would have similar form and buttons to my 130g boi

[magic schooner]

first thing on the list you like for a non-mmo mouse

unfortunately you're kinda locked into a tiny set of healthy options for mmo mouse until logitech/corsair release something more modern

naga x, steel series aerox

anything you can find under 90g

[minor cape]

my experience with razer products is that they are garbage

but it was headphones

is that true for mouse?

[magic schooner]

I've had nothing but great experiences with their mice

[wary spire]

One must imagine Sisyphus gamin'

[magic schooner]

but I don't use the wheel like a track ball

unless I'm coding

if you wanna get hard on your DPI/CPI

[minor cape]

this is how wolfsmind imagines me

[magic schooner]

ideally I'd suggest 1600 DPI/CPI and no higher

[magic schooner]

it's my greatest nightmare

[magic schooner]

big brain refs

[minor cape]

can i get one of those fancy epic mouses that is also wireless

or are those not ever made cause csgo gamers dont respect that

[wary spire]

If you don't care for extra buttons I can say that glorious model O and cooler master mm710 are bis.

[magic schooner]

apparently I have to eat my words

the latest g502 doesnt weigh like a brick

https://www.rtings.com/mouse/reviews/logitech/g502-x

according to this its 83, but not a lot of buttons

I've hated these things for years - super ugly

remember an old version of them came in at like 130-140

[minor cape]

you gotta admit

everything that is "gaming" device

is ugly

[minor cape]

damn thats exactly what i need

[wary spire]

Including gamers.

[minor cape]

the button layout and formfactor

okay the ungodly warrior player convinced me to treat myself with a good mouse

how low is sensitivity supposed to be to not get carpal tunnel?

[magic schooner]

moves the motion from your wrist

to your arm/elbow

[minor cape]

oh my god this will get a lot of time to get used to

[magic schooner]

like try to move the mouse around a bit high sens, swap the sens, and them move it

nah

it takes like a couple of hourse

hours*

[minor cape]

like to me all my motion is in wrist

[magic schooner]

https://www.pccasegear.com/products/62426/corsair-darkstar-wireless-gaming-mouse

darkstar at 96, doable

[magic schooner]

what DPI did you go to?

[minor cape]

idk tbh

anyways thanks

will look into it cause dont want to get crippled

🫡

[surreal barn]

I can’t move from g600 after utilizing the third click

[last jasper]

I used naga pro for a few years. No issue. Just got it replaced with naga pro v2. Which is like 130g and I liked that, until i've read this 😄

[potent pivot]

Their mice can be hit or miss. I’ve had one Razer Naga go bad in 6 months, but I’ve had my Naga Trinity for over a year.
Their headphones are amazing IMO

I think my headset is the blackshark v2 pro, best headset I’ve ever had so far

[restive hemlock]

Hmm do I roll ret or warrior for my alt?

[pale storm]

imagine being named Be worried and going 3-14 😦 poor outlaw - I am worried about this mans mental health

[last jasper]

funny, I had no issue with naga's, but I do with blackshark v2 pro headset. If u put adjust volume in the middle (where it clicks) on ur headset, the left side sometimes lose sound. Not a big deal, but still

[minor cape]

in terms of durability and comfort okay headphones

as to sounds - mega ass. Listening to music is impossible

all you hear is bass and bad highs

no mids

😦

but for games works for sure

the ones i used to have are krakens, like in 2012 or smth

but i listened to many of razer since and nah, not for me at all

[potent pivot]

Idk mine have great sound

[potent pivot]

I’ve also never experienced this, hopefully I won’t in the future

[last jasper]

The volume adjaster itself is a weak part it seems

[last jasper]

Do u use thx spatial? Cuz having them for like 2 years I couldn't find a way to make it sound great with thx on 😄

[potent pivot]

The Bluetooth connection on mine has been weird.. sometimes I won’t get sound unless I connect as THX

Mostly seems to act up when trying to use Discord voice

[last jasper]

Yea, I have similar but in my case I need to switch to blackshark.

[surreal barn]

How you all killing these UH dks

I heard they just topple over but I call bullshit

[jolly sierra]

i go w my ret

[minor cape]

idk just stun healer and burst

thats it

[stoic spruce]

Yeah they still topple over

[minor cape]

then you also have very good defensive against uhdk

cloak

[stoic spruce]

Oh he said that lol

And you have to disarm them at the right time too

[spring bough]

Makes me worried about mine… I think I’m over 1200 games in solo as outlaw and still haven’t got out of the 1900s lmao

[minor cape]

i was very scared of playing against uh dk in s1 for some reason, and when i heard its cracked again

i was like rip

but then played a couple games and its allright for sub

and somehow a little easier even than that s1 uh dk

[surreal barn]

I got two paladin/blood dk lobbies back to back

[minor cape]

cause well you pop any defensive on apoc and you good

[surreal barn]

Had a real hard time killing either idk

[stoic spruce]

Blood kept getting buffs so it's better than fdk atm

Popping 100+k deathstrikes

[minor cape]

yeah dude, it was already a niche weird class in 2s before buffs

and they gave it +9% dam

and +10% more

frost is unplayable basically

so blood better lol

[stoic spruce]

6%+9%+10%

[minor cape]

if only they did that to law

🤩

[stoic spruce]

And its not like outlaw. Frost is pm genuinely unplayable.

Because at least with outlaw, you don't have a burst to disarm

[minor cape]

100%

imagine having to do 3-4gcd to start your burst lol

without a good control source

[stoic spruce]

Also, here's a hot take. I don't think outlaw is as bad as people say. This ofc does not mean I'm saying it's good.

I'd say it's slightly below good

Almost good

[minor cape]

well, you cant burst, cant sustain

you are tanky but thats it

😭

[stoic spruce]

You can sustain. I modified the HO build and been getting so great results.

I'll post the build next time I'm online

But yeah no burst lol

That's why I miss flag/dreadblades

[tawny kestrel]

what rating are u getting great results at if u dont mind sharing

cus anything can work at low rating

also are u talking about solo shuffle, 2s or 3s or something else

outlaw is good in 2s

3s decent

its shuffle it struggles

[stoic spruce]

Yall saying it's bad because of solo shuffle?

Yeah it's aids in solo shuffle but I don't really judge a spec on that lol

[minor cape]

raz can remove half outlaw abilities and still win

cant trust him

😭

[stoic spruce]

Any bracket where blood dk is a legitimate spec, I refuse to look and and/or play and/or accept it exists.

[jolly sierra]

then ask flarkness to stop spawning as blood in rated

[stoic spruce]

Okay

And now we wait

[last jasper]

Flark spamin bdk in rated?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

A lot of people are

[jolly sierra]

yeah he try to get constantly the r1 blood dk slot

[last jasper]

this is the only r1 he can get

playin tank in rated is beyond r

[jolly sierra]

still recall his apologize video

sounded fake af

[stoic spruce]

Well you sound fake all the time

RAHHHH

[last jasper]

For?

[stoic spruce]

Being toxic

PvP streamer being toxic? Color me shocked.

[jolly sierra]

ofc pandas cant talk lol

[jolly sierra]

being a shithead

[last jasper]

this is his normal behavior

[stoic spruce]

Why he's not a sub main will always confuse me

[jolly sierra]

cuz dks are edgier

[stoic spruce]

Yeah but I've met more nice dks than any other class

Sooooo

Idkkkk

[jolly sierra]

like mes tho

[stoic spruce]

Mes is coo

[jolly sierra]

literal one of the first dk which ever existed playing and maybe the nicest

[stoic spruce]

Well

I'm the nicest

[restive hemlock]

Mes is a crazy positive dude

[jolly sierra]

u treated me like poo poo some weeks ago

u not nice

me angy

[stoic spruce]

I'm going to contact Mes and we will turn this into a niceness competition. Who ever wins will get 3 nice tokens. Get 10 tokens and you get a nice ticket. Earn three nice tickets and you get a beach towel.

[jolly sierra]

kek

[stoic spruce]

Collect 3 beach towels...

[stoic spruce]

Nuh uh

I'm so nice

I want evvvvveeerryyyy spec to be good

So everyone can be happy

:)

[jolly sierra]

ekdsee

[nova jay]

How's sin in solo shuffles?

[jolly sierra]

suffering

[nova jay]

Is it easier than sub at low mmr?

[jolly sierra]

dont think so

[sharp sierra]

Horrible vault, should i use glad crit bracers over blue scalwarden with mastery?

[surreal barn]

Sockets if you play a lot

The conquest is uncapped

[jolly sierra]

sockets

[silent pilot]

does flaring cowl work on base sitting like arathi/eye?

[jolly sierra]

eww

get that shit off

[silent pilot]

e.e

[quiet ridge]

hello, I'm a complete noob in PvP but I'd like to get elite transmog. What is the easyest way to get to elite as a solo player? Is there modes that are easier than other as a complete new PvP player? I don't really know if it's even possible to get to elite as a new player. (only playing sub if it helps)

[dapper chasm]

How much does PvP value those random item stats? Avoidance etc

[wise breach]

Zero, they're turned off in PvP unless they come from talents or enchants

[dapper chasm]

Then I have no idea how to improve my gear

[jolly sierra]

sending ur armory

[dapper chasm]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/stormscale/zanaken

[jolly sierra]

sec im into a bg

[jolly sierra]

your cloak

[jolly sierra]

ur cloak

replace it for a scalewarden one so u can have more mastery

and ur bracers and belt u can replace it for crafted ones to mix max agi and some versa/mastery too

[wary spire]

https://murlok.io/rogue/subtlety/solo

Basically you can just check what most top subs are using here.

[dapper chasm]

Thanks

Seems weird to use scale gloves to me though

But I do have them in my bags somewhere

Isn't it Vers=Mastery>Crit?

So why drop stats just to shift vers to mastery?

[jolly sierra]

versa raises very low after 30%

ur mastery skyrocket when u raise it, so

[dapper chasm]

So why not go engi bracers too?

[jolly sierra]

cuz u lose way too much versa

and ur googles are enough

if u sacrified the versa in that slot

[pale storm]

I’m running this, just trying to upgrade my neck to the mythic version and get the mythic Sark dagger

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/blakezilla

[jolly sierra]

hmm

[dapper chasm]

Why the neck?

Wont it be 447 at mythic?

[jolly sierra]

isn't a 447 versa mastery dagger good for OH?

[dapper chasm]

Surely 450 beats it

Weapon damage was always king

[jolly sierra]

not in off hand

[dapper chasm]

God, I miss having crit

But crit builds are always late into xpacs

[gleaming pawn]

off hand is a stat stick, so 447 is fine

[dapper chasm]

Is that a substantive upgrade?

[jolly sierra]

i got why blake wanna a mythic magmorax neck

it is bloated in mastery

[dapper chasm]

I dunno man, that's 10% less vers than me

That's pretty huge

[jolly sierra]

he is comfortable w that tho

he is going w full mastery build

it seems

[dapper chasm]

But isn't vers damage too?

[gleaming pawn]

that's also not in pvp ilvl vers %

[jolly sierra]

i say again

mastery scales fat

in sub

[gleaming pawn]

armory doesn't show the 450 pvp scaling

[dapper chasm]

I'm 94% / 36% when I punch the dummy

[jolly sierra]

we have ppl with like 105% mastery here tho

[gleaming pawn]

36% vers is unusual

[dapper chasm]

I could go more mastery by re-gemming

[gleaming pawn]

most people run closer to 30%

[jolly sierra]

yep

[dapper chasm]

Hey, that's 6% flat damage

[jolly sierra]

specially in sub

[gleaming pawn]

it's not

[dapper chasm]

And 3% mitigation

No?

[gleaming pawn]

1% of vers != 1% damage

you'd have to look at the tooltip

[dapper chasm]

I meant my vers compared to 30%

[gleaming pawn]

but there's a weird scaling formular there

[jolly sierra]

most of ur dmg are from finishers

mastery scales fat

versa doesn't

[pale storm]

I’m not full mastery, in pvp that’s 30% vers, which is solid

[dapper chasm]

True, but I feel I can melt without a wall up either way

[pale storm]

I’m like 106 or 107 mastery and 30 vers

[gleaming pawn]

most of this is min maxing

[dapper chasm]

Plus I do feel immortal

[jolly sierra]

u have like 2 vanishes

-3% more received dmg is not the end tho

[dapper chasm]

Sure, but 6% damage on everything, inc finishers

[jolly sierra]

u can get more

even more

[gleaming pawn]

honestly once you get to this point of gearing, you'll get more out of improving your skills/setups/awareness than you will eeking out a little bit more mastery

[dapper chasm]

I refuse

[jolly sierra]

then die

[pale storm]

He can’t die, look at his vers

Live lord

[jolly sierra]

my healer have like 37% baseline

[dapper chasm]

Just sayin'

[jolly sierra]

he is a OCD versa madman

[wary spire]

Go vers man, rogues are gaslighting you.

Stay in the light!

[pale storm]

It’s all subjective to your gameplay style really

[dapper chasm]

I've decided to carry on until something can't die in a duel anymore

[pale storm]

Like the differences aren’t that major

[gleaming pawn]

damnit Edaniel, aren't you busy hitting 2.1k so we get nerfed more!

[dapper chasm]

But I will pretend I have some elite tech build if anyone asks me

[jolly sierra]

edaniel is our new MVP

[wary spire]

I've decided to quit while i'm ahead.

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-gif-4422582

[wary spire]

True and real

[dapper chasm]

At least I have the best transmog

[jolly sierra]

nobody beats my qipao outfit

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/show-it-to-me-scare-glow-masters-of-the-universe-revelation-land-of-the-dead-let-me-see-gif-24717067

[lucid citrus]

damn these queues taking so long..

[long shore]

Are you guys playing rotten for shuffle?

[jolly sierra]

when i can log, EU servers are down

[surreal barn]

I can’t for the life of me get past 2k on my undead

The night elf was ezpz why is this 😂

[surreal barn]

Yeah

[jolly sierra]

cuz u are rotting

[spring bough]

fistweavers in solo still is LOL

never know how its gonna go smh

[nova viper]

Why u dont sleep brother

[jolly sierra]

cuz here is still early night

[nova viper]

[nova viper]

u are from spain or protugal?

[jolly sierra]

(s)pain

but only in birth

im in south america rn

[nova viper]

Nice, i guess.

I want go to Spain on holiday

[jolly sierra]

its pretty, yeah

OH SERVERS ARE BACK SEXOOOOOOOOO

[nova viper]

SEXOOOOO

SHOW US XMOG

[jolly sierra]

hold up

i should be using 2 sais but dunno why the other one isn't showing

but maybe i will just go with a t3 xmog for now

with a t3 should look like this without the haircut

[nova viper]

UWU Pandaren

[jolly sierra]

owo

in early df looked like this to mock dragons

even used a backpack made of dragon skin

[jolly sierra]

should i kill this filthy being which isekaied into wow?

[nova viper]

only true chad

play female nelf

[jolly sierra]

thought female NE were for coomers

[stoic spruce]

Me after one arena with outlaw

(Most of it is from pressing Slice and Dice)

[jolly sierra]

pls dont beat me

[nova viper]

1:1

its me

[jolly sierra]

relatable

[nova viper]

u know

more cm in biceps = more dmg

[jolly sierra]

irl im slim af, but when i flex always the fkn muscles shows up

dunno why

[magic schooner]

thats how muscle def works, bf% son

[jolly sierra]

the what

[magic schooner]

body fat %

[jolly sierra]

ah, i have just a bit

muscle mass is higher

[thick slate]

Paracausal Fragment of Doomhammer damage reduced by 60% in PvP combat.

well there goes my fun

[nova viper]

XD

(*)

[sharp sierra]

Hey guys was wondering what class goes really good with sub rogue when it comes to 2v2?

[jolly sierra]

finally

[jolly sierra]

a mage

[thick slate]

it was only good in duels man

just leave it

[nova viper]

disci

bala

[jolly sierra]

i arenas sometimes i got suddenly deleted by subs using that

when i thought i could survive shit

[thick slate]

they probably took some tricks from me

those wankers

[wary spire]

I'm literally the top morg!

[jolly sierra]

where tf did u got that fanart lol

[minor cape]

dont expose me like that

[wary spire]

My sister drew it.

[jolly sierra]

godlike

[jolly sierra]

im a furry so don't think can go worse kek

[minor cape]

oh right

how are we feeling about obsidian gladiators mastery ring?

kinda thought about doing the signet + hourglass combo for more mastery, but i already lost a lot of versa tbh on tier set and engineer headger

🤔

[jolly sierra]

im using the glad mastery neck

[minor cape]

ungodly

[jolly sierra]

don't think using the glad ring is a bad idea

[north jackal]

Wow classic era undead or orc for pvp im leaning more toward orc

[minor cape]

were all retail fucks here

undead for the looks

[north jackal]

Oh shit ok my bad I didn’t knkw

Never played retail I stopped playing in 2010 and just started again

[dapper chasm]

More like power-bottom morg

[wary spire]

No. Best morg. Maybe the greatest.

[dapper chasm]

[dapper chasm]

I played around with some gems and managed to get 97%/35% mastery/vers in the end

I think I'm going to stick to this

[potent pivot]

Pretty sure it’s undead in classic

[unkempt vine]

I'm running the eng bracers as well for extra mastery and compensated with the glad neck. Seems good.

[languid ravine]

does anyone know why tarren's mill brawl has infinite queue duration?

[minor cape]

its epic bg?

if so then thats why

[restive hemlock]

It's an 80 person brawl during off peak times maybe? At least if you're NA

[languid ravine]

bleh I ve queued that shit for 3 hours on EU

maybe longer because it stopped counting at 2:59

[unkempt vine]

It's a brawl and is generally considered the 2nd worst one (cooking often considered the worst) so not many people even queues for it, especially outside prime time.

[jolly sierra]

i got it in like 10m yesterday in EU

[jolly sierra]

thought classic ashran was the worst one

[untold remnant]

Leaving solo shuffle should not be an option..

[jolly sierra]

that cant be avoided anyways

u can perfectly alt +F4

[last jasper]

ffs, 4th lobby in a raw with one healer goes 0\6

I need 1 win for 1.8, jesus

[unkempt vine]

Mm, I think it's the most misunderstood not sure it's most hated. Epic BG Ashran is much worse 😅

[jolly sierra]

the classic one is awful cuz u never know when it ends and everytime u leave u got the deserter anyways

wod one was good, but this one is crappy af due to the variety of pvp features

imo they should add tol barad as an epic bg

[gleaming pawn]

the ashran brawl isn't terrible, it's just buggy with giving completion for the daily battle and even killing the boss doesn't count as a "win"

[jolly sierra]

then is shit cuz how long it is

[tiny ore]

Hey guys, whats is currently go to pvp build for sub?

[unkempt vine]

It never ends, that's the point. You only need to win an event and then just afk out. Takes like maybe 10 mins most times. And you don't get deserter

[unkempt vine]

Tol barad still exists tho, do we really need it instanced? It's pretty bland.

[jolly sierra]

how tf are u supposed to finish the weekly with ashran then?

[jolly sierra]

rather prefer that over ashran in epic bgs

[unkempt vine]

Ashran classic quest is completing an event (it awards the daily win bonus and keeps you in the BG zone). Like win the race event for example.

[jolly sierra]

not the daily win

but the weekly conquest quest they always gives with this kind of stuff

[unkempt vine]

That is the win, I'm not sure I understand your question.

[gleaming pawn]

yeah to complete the weekly quest, you just have to participate in and win an "event" like the Ogre bon fires, the Raceway, the Goron minig carts thing, the Ghostbusting

it can be buggy giving you credit for a win, if you arrive after the event has started

so get to the event during its setup phase, and you should be good

no promises on the daily brawl win credit though, because again it hardly works in my experience

[jolly sierra]

xd

[halcyon timber]

Freakin loved tol barad. Def would like that in the future.

[jolly sierra]

god dracothyst sells like hot bread

the problem is farming the spores with all the cross server english bots

i just wanna be ally just for 30 secs to fkn kill them and stop disturbing my server layer

[gleaming pawn]

sounds like you need to level an ally rogue duplicate

and farm on that one

send the mats where ever

would also give you the joy of regrinding 1800+ assa

[jolly sierra]

im going w the ret

exterminating everything while i run in lightspeed w aura

most of bots here are from kazzak or draenor

those fuckers

[marsh coyote]

What is the best build for a noob wanting to get into sub pvp?

[gritty heart]

maybe same build as pro

with this stat i have 447 pvp ilvl anyone have any advice

maybe i should go for new emblishment

[jolly sierra]

yeah, you still need to upgrade your gear to glad pieces

i can see the helm, neck and gloves

the bracers should be upgraded with trophies next

[frigid spade]

Feeling like doing outlaw 3's soon...

[stoic spruce]

Are you sure?

I wish I can send honor to alts

[jolly sierra]

u can

if u are lucky

[shut solstice]

which one of you is this

[jolly sierra]

dracothysts goes brrrr

just sold

[surreal barn]

Get that cheddar

[jolly sierra]

burned all 10 cds

i'll need to wait 16 hours for another one

[surreal barn]

I got some 2h sword from shadowlands trash

Sold 450k lol

It has held me over for a month

[jolly sierra]

my brother is trying to sell t3 shoulder tokens (has 3)

but nobody buys, so im telling him to do a char in draenor and transfer them from spain with the new cross server feature

[surreal barn]

$$$

[jolly sierra]

stonks

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHH

[surreal barn]

My stonks in the shitter today tbh

[jolly sierra]

now the said "here is cheaper are u sure is good to AH this here?"

i said "sure, u have like x4 more ppl here than in our server lol"

[frigid spade]

My blicky is ready

[stoic spruce]

No freaking way dood

[frigid spade]

Pew

[jolly sierra]

haha we have no mod here lets talk about popo weight

[stoic spruce]

What???

Noooooo

[jolly sierra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[stoic spruce]

You're an idiot boy!

[jolly sierra]

😦

[stoic spruce]

I'm sorry :(

[jolly sierra]

no im sorry = (

[stoic spruce]

I want this bloodshed to end

[jolly sierra]

fine

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-wolf-what-gif-14053556

we are just having a peaceful chat here

[stoic spruce]

We're just chillin

Little bit of illin'

[jolly sierra]

yeah

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-hammer-gif-19698184

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[stoic spruce]

Wow I can't believe you would just ban Mage Disarmer Female Panda Rogue like that. I mean Mage Disarmer Female Panda Rogue can say something sometimes but don't we all? I think Mage Disarmer Female Panda Rogue is okay in my book.

[jolly sierra]

yeah what he said

[gleaming pawn]

nah, just ban him outright

teach the rest of us a lesson

[jolly sierra]

how cruel

[jolly sierra]

finally they made fkn slam useful for warriors

[jolly sierra]

uh

[wary spire]

Am I welcome to the jam?

[marble oasis]

Wait what we have a proper rage spender o.o

Gief build i’m lazy

[minor cape]

love him or hate him he is speaking facts

but trickz needs to complete his ban quota

and we cant escape him

😭

[potent pivot]

[languid ravine]

Guys, what happened to the twitter bird?

...it went Xtinct

HUUEHEUAHGUAHEGUEHAUGUEUuhaUHUHAUAHAHWEHA

[twin burrow]

im not a social media simp so im Xempt from that

[wary spire]

[twin burrow]

xcuse me?

[thick slate]

Wow I can't believe you would just ban Mage Disarmer Female Panda Rogue like that. I mean Mage Disarmer Female Panda Rogue can say something sometimes but don't we all? I think Mage Disarmer Female Panda Rogue is okay in my book.

[restive hemlock]

How does the One Dance/Thistle Tea build play compared to the typical CDR/Rotten build?

[scarlet shell]

someone pick up their dad, seems they are lost.

[bold bison]

from what I've seen you basically just play it like Assa with a few more opportunities to get stuns on the healer

[jolly sierra]

HUEHUEHUEHUEHHUE SEXOOOOO

Wow I can't believe you would just ban Mage Disarmer Female Panda Rogue like that. I mean Mage Disarmer Female Panda Rogue can say something sometimes but don't we all? I think Mage Disarmer Female Panda Rogue is okay in my book.

im offering myself to fulfill the ban quota for trickz to keep his role intact

[shut solstice]

Which sword

[surreal barn]

I’m lost out here in NOLA I’ll try and find it when I get back home, it was a reddish blackish 2H

[harsh steppe]

@jolly sierra do pandas become horde/ally? or do they hearthstone to pandaria? lol

[jolly sierra]

tf is that kind of question

[harsh steppe]

LOL

never played a panda, curious

[surreal barn]

LOL jk Diablo hahaha 😈

[minor cape]

idk if anyone sent this one

[minor cape]

they choose

[jolly sierra]

u chose faction after finishing the racial questline and then u have HS set in faction capital

[jolly sierra]

god i hate that shit

wait do u have a background in ur bags?

[minor cape]

wym

its reddit vid

😩

[jolly sierra]

ahh fuck

[harsh steppe]

ahh that's cool tyty

imma have to try one

[minor cape]

i wish dks could choose lol

imagine being a horde nelf

my dream character is a horde nelf

😭

[wary spire]

Ngl I fell for it and now feel awful.

[jolly sierra]

agree, if they added darkfallen NE at least make them playable in horde lol

they have darkfallen "BE" in ally

[minor cape]

well nightborne

but they have a goofy ass posture

[jolly sierra]

something than have enough body and doesn't look like a stoner

[minor cape]

idk its like if a 164cm tall weeb wanted to fight you

and he takes that posture and says "come at me bro"

[jolly sierra]

they are like 2.10 mt tall tho canon wise

[jolly sierra]

and he releases a katana and starts swinging it in a clumsy way

[minor cape]

a redditor ninja

[jolly sierra]

a 4chan lurker

[stoic spruce]

im literally crying

[jolly sierra]

what have i did now lol

no rogues lol

and they reversed RsK WW buff kek

ah no, they still have a 1% difference lol

[gleaming pawn]

good, the damage monks have been putting out was disgusting

[jolly sierra]

i know, but they are still buffed

they basically just reversed the RsK buff from 3 days ago

everything else is intact

[stoic spruce]

Festering Wound damage is now increased byhttps://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/c/community/general-discussion/171 idk if we can live through this

thats still a very big increase >.>

[jolly sierra]

still op, too much posts

i got 44k festering being bursted 4 times at same moment and now ill get 41k ones nice

[jolly sierra]

(talking as a WW alt)

[stoic spruce]

I was making a joke about the typo >:(

[jolly sierra]

i knooooooow, some employee will get their ears pinched

[stoic spruce]

im going to

to

idk

make a forum post

[jolly sierra]

to make it addresed?

[stoic spruce]

sure

.>

[shut solstice]

Lol

Outlaw buffs tho?

Nah

[stoic spruce]

I wish there was someone to talk to about this issue for my cries fall upon deaf ears and those that do hear me, are stuck in the well with me.

[jolly sierra]

me smash to 1k8

w the furry warrior

[marble oasis]

Teach me.
I get melted. Admitedly my warriors fear is sheit. 😅

[jolly sierra]

im shit too but barely went to 1k8 w a fresh alt in the last 2 weeks of s1

dont think im the ideal one to teach u

even more if MUD is here trolling ppl, maybe he can help

[marble oasis]

But people don’t die when i press spin to win.
Clearly a broken game. 😂

Naa but for real my main issue is weapon currently.
I’m full honor and have yet to even attempt arena until i felt atleast somewhat comfortable with how arms plays now.

[tawny kestrel]

not necessary

[stoic spruce]

Cap

It falls behind every melee dps and even some tanks

[tawny kestrel]

l2p issue

[stoic spruce]

It is not

You play a different game

[jolly sierra]

oh

get a 450 wep then and u will start notice

[gleaming pawn]

just play Pika's new warrior build

[jolly sierra]

better ask mud if he is looking for new cultists

[languid ravine]

No dude you dont understand, every Outlaw buff will have IMMENSE UNFORESEEABLE CONSEQUENCES:
Because they might become able to achieve a Neutral winrate (3-3 matches) and therefore gain Conquest to upgrade their blue items and then it all snowballlls dude its all very delicate and we only have like 9 months of data showing Outlaw being garbage, so there is no way to know for sure

no way in hell can we buff Outlaw, (a class without DoTs or burst) without at least 5 different scientific papers showing in detail that no human being will be negatively impacted

Imagine if Outlaw wasnt energy starved after two globals, it would be sooooooooooo OPEEEEEEEE

yall are crazy

[shut solstice]

I made a fury for fun, and I’m 1840 right now. It makes me sad for outlaw

[austere thorn]

Its not a popular spec

Not many people complaining about it

[shut solstice]

I feel like 6 of us are vocal

[austere thorn]

So its not something on their radar

[shut solstice]

Is 6 not enough?

Should we recruit a 7th?

[austere thorn]

Warrior is a very popular class across all tyoes of content and thats why they get so many frequent changes (for better or worse)

[languid ravine]

of course they know, every fucking tier list every fucking patch every little shitty youtuber knows every class discord is laughing at outlaw

every site that displays statistics knows

[austere thorn]

True but they have some player metrics right

Like how many people play outlaw

[languid ravine]

so you telling me they know its a problem thats why they arent fixing the problem

[austere thorn]

They know its a problem its just not relevant enough (according to some corporate engage metric) to spend resources on it

[languid ravine]

spend resources? just tell the new guy Matthew to do look into Outlaw source code and increase the values by 5% like, same as every other bandaid "solution" that gets applied to half the classes

takes 10 minutes

and not 9 months

[austere thorn]

Its one of 3 rogue specs thats underperforming in rated pvp content. If they have a priority list, thats probably item number 348 on spreadsheet #33

[languid ravine]

nope, its #number one on spreadsheet called "easiest fixes in gaming history"

[stoic spruce]

OH PEEEE OH PEEEEEEEEE

[fading blade]

They literally made it obvious that there will be zero significant rogue changes until 10.2, its more than just aura buffs lol

[austere thorn]

I decided to main outlaw day 1 of DF, but i have come to terms with the fact that it is a neglected spec in pvp

[stoic spruce]

Well they should aura buff outlaw more frequently

Ez fix

[fading blade]

Why?

[austere thorn]

Yea they should but they wont

[stoic spruce]

Because I don't want to wait until 10.2 to be good

[fading blade]

That’s fair

[austere thorn]

Its a non factor for them

[fading blade]

If Raz can dance at 2.4 outlaw you can dance at 1.8

[stoic spruce]

It's not about that

[languid ravine]

the whole point is, no you cant because the spec is garbage

did you all huff an extra dose copium just coz its friday?

[stoic spruce]

People get tanks to 2400 every season, I guess those specs are good too and do not need tuning in anyway

[fading blade]

You can get to 2.4

It’s player diff obviously

[languid ravine]

is it even the same with tanks, dont they end up in lobbies with other tanks?

[stoic spruce]

No

Only prot pally with prot pal

Since they're healers in SS

[languid ravine]

I m glad that tanks specs are JUST AS equally trash as Outlaw

good for them!

and good for you for making that argument

I m going to sleep now bye

[stoic spruce]

The point I was trying to make is no matter how bad a spec is, you can get it to 2400.

[surreal barn]

We need @cobalt pewter to start playing outlaw so we get the buffs we deserve

[fading blade]

All I see is player diff

[stoic spruce]

Tuning is canceled bois

[shut solstice]

Look at the way the tuning turns us against eachother

Fuck tuning

[wary spire]

Promise a maybe rework 2-3 patches down the line. @ don't make any changes to the class on life servers the entire time @ cancel the rework @ profit.

[stoic spruce]

No dude you dont understand, every Outlaw buff will have IMMENSE UNFORESEEABLE CONSEQUENCES:
Because they might become able to achieve a Neutral winrate (3-3 matches) and therefore gain Conquest to upgrade their blue items and then it all snowballlls dude its all very delicate and we only have like 9 months of data showing Outlaw being garbage, so there is no way to know for sure. No way in hell can we buff Outlaw, (a class without DoTs or burst) without at least 5 different scientific papers showing in detail that no human being will be negatively impacted. Imagine if Outlaw wasnt energy starved after two globals, it would be sooooooooooo OPEEEEEEEE

[stoic spruce]

Also ye

That's a copy pasta

[wary spire]

I also don't get how simple aura buffs as adjustments will screw up their megamind rework.

Like, test without them and just replace everything with the rework.

"Dude just wait another five months so you can enjoy your fav spec bro is gonna be lit bro just wait a bit OK?"

[stoic spruce]

dude I stg its gonna be so l33t you just gotta wait

[wary spire]

Like, I come to that one pizzeria right? I love their peperoni pizza. So I go there, get my peperoni and it doesn't have cheese. I'm like wtf, where cheese? And the pizza guy says to me "we are aware the pepperoni sucks, right? But! We have the best, the hugest cooks working on the recipe, we're importing meats and oils from Italia and shit, you just wait"

Just throw the fucking cheddar on the disc man

Or Parmesan or whatever

I'm not picky

[stoic spruce]

I prayge for flag/dreadblades again

mama mia

[balmy shuttle]

Class dev already said that stuff like KS has low priority (while it should be one of the top priorities together with Dread Blades, imo). Tbh, I am not expecting anything from the rework (for PvP). Don't want to be disappointed.

[stoic spruce]

Killing Spree?

[balmy shuttle]

Yes

[stoic spruce]

I dont blame KS being a low priority then tbh

with RtB and SnD the way they are

the rng isnt even my complaint with RtB. Its how often I only get one buff per roll

thats just me tho

[balmy shuttle]

Idk, I am content with RtB, just wish we had more talent points to be able to play with the RtB procc on dispatch/ambush every game. We definitely spend too many CPs on S&D after the grand melee change though - can the see frustration there.

But dreadblades/KS feel so bad. I either don't pick them at all or KS for the 35% wall and use it as a def CD. It's comically sad.

[stoic spruce]

its a really weird choice node

[cobalt pewter]

LOL

[surreal barn]

I seent u on the forums. Oprah out here giving warriors slam buffs

[toxic yarrow]

unholy nerf kek

[jolly sierra]

mud give us a warrior EZ thro tutorial pls

[toxic yarrow]

press the glowy buttons and zug zug

[minor cape]

mud make outlaw!!!

anyways its so funny they are giving warrior buffs

like why

[nova viper]

why we talk

about pizza

on pvp channel

xD

[nova viper]

when u put shiv on warrior

he jump

but through the window in his house, not at the healer

[minor cape]

oh fury kinda does, which is the one that is getting buffed

but shiving arms aint even an option anymore he just starts spinning

and deals more dam

🥹

[long shore]

Any 2100 rogues here in shuffle have tips on how to climb in shuffle? I’m playing rotten build, but there’s always some asshole that DR stuns everything, and like SPs and DKs feel pretty much immortal gods. I’m at my wits end 😦

[untold remnant]

I just saw 😮 so weird

[minor cape]

i aint 2100

but stun smth thats not on dr

theres got to be someone who isnt on at lest some dr

if a dh goes in and does a 3 people aoe stun for 4 sec that aint bad

just because he put someone on dr

spriest just has passive melee dam lowered - bad target prpbably

its the one you have to control

cause easy to reach

as to dk idk, they arent really that immortal as they have one defensive against rogue and thats it

which doesnt even reduce dam just immunes to stun

[long shore]

Yeah sp feels incredibly tanky.

Got to keep grinding I guess

And hope for good lobbies

Had a lobby today with arcane mage and frost mage

[wary spire]

How was it? Magical?

[long shore]

2 mages with infinite blinks, immune to stuns

Had a godly time

And the usual warrior on my team running in middle of map and dying to both mages

And then when he is on their team, all of a sudden he unleashes his inner joefernandes and plays like a god

Is it me or does ladder feel incredibly deflated?

[last jasper]

I stuck at 1792 for two days. Cuz literally every single game, one healer goes 0\6

[minor cape]

well just let it inflate for a week then

and just ride the inflation train

[last jasper]

Just had a game where holy pally died 3 times in a raw

the last time he died from solo ret running away from my dk who gripped ret off him 😄

another fckin 3/3 😄

[sinful rock]

Whats the fastest way to farm conquest ponts currently?

[twin burrow]

Buying a boost from www.PCvirus.ru

You'll need crypto

[untold remnant]

Farm 3s. Or play healer in solo shuffle and send conquest boxes + the shuffle tokens to the char that needs gear

[languid ravine]

Its more like pizza numbers #1 through 27 on the menu are large sized pizza with different flavours. Meanwhile Pizza #"Outlaw" is TINY even though it is also labelled as large sized. And then some guy on Rogue discord says "mate why you hungry you can get sated off a tiny pizza too."

Also everything on Pizza "Outlaw" is sliced and diced for some reason

[gritty heart]

hey guys

im sub which class can be my best comp for 2v2 ?

[twin burrow]

Sub X

[jolly sierra]

mage

[gritty heart]

which spec

[jolly sierra]

any

even arcane

[gritty heart]

but he have problem with healers

what we should do when enemy have healer?

what is scenario

specially priest and holy pa

[jolly sierra]

u should cc more them

ur ccs doesnt share DR at all most of time

if he sacs then stun and try forcing bubble

sub mage is one of the best 2s compw overall

[wary spire]

Shiv does, no?

Are you guys dropping it with mages?

[gritty heart]

im now learning when to use shadowy duel

most of the time of out of cd and cant do anything when do that

what if i use duel on healer then he can heal ally?

[jolly sierra]

if u use it on a shamny then u wasted the duel

else its ok

cuz shammies aoe heals

[gritty heart]

yeah and totems

[jolly sierra]

its a slow, dont think its dr its too crap to overlap

[wary spire]

Frick

*gouge

Gouge shares with sheep.

[sharp sierra]

Flame Wreath vs Sophic for Assassination? I see people switching to sophic, how come

[languid ravine]

wreath is nerfed

even havoc and fury also switching to sophic

[jolly sierra]

is sheep an incap or a disorient?

[jolly sierra]

sophic no questions

[minor cape]

disc priest

or holy priest even

the reason is that in 2s playing double dps is torture rn

but you as sub need someone to help you with burst

and these are healers that can do that

now, mage makes you a double dps comp sure

but its also viable

i suggest fire for most burn over short period of time

out of all double dps comps this one is the least torture

🤪

but i see many rm players there and they still loose sometimes to me on sub-disc when playing better than me 😦

[pale storm]

I’ve been playing 2s with a Ret as Sub CDR and having fun and success around 1900-2k

[jolly sierra]

ret carries everything

i carried my healer when he was in greens w the ret at like 1k5 mmr

[tacit citrus]

guys im kinda new to sub pvp got some gear but im still doing bad in solo shuffle and bgs

got any tips to improve?

read somewhere i should use some addons like omni cc + bar or gladius.. but..dont have the knowledge to install them properly#

[hidden dome]

Why does this always happen

Every season I have at the very least one char like that

[potent pivot]

get Curseforge or another add on manager program

makes getting and updating add ons much more simple

[tacit citrus]

well i have it but curseforge

helps me to download and update

nothing else

[austere thorn]

anyone know how to get reputation with laughing skull clan?

[stoic spruce]

Tell jokes

[jolly sierra]

killing gorgrond npc in jungle side where u get apexis crystals drops

[austere thorn]

i have to build trading post lvl 2

its a lot of work

[jolly sierra]

yep

[potent pivot]

that's all you really need. if you need a bigger list of add ons i would check out "wow pvp add ons" on YT, there's quite a few good vids about it

[minor cape]

we did it too w panda - works for sure

🤪

but w disc is easier still for me

@jolly sierra LET ME HOJ HEALER

REEEEEE

[pale storm]

yeah I enjoy with disc more, agressive/offensivce healers with sub is always fun and easy

[jolly sierra]

MUH MAGIC STUN REEEEEEEEEE

[minor cape]

soyboy dispellable hoj VS gigachad untouchable (almost) kidney

[jolly sierra]

virgin DR offtarget vs gigachad DR free offtarget

[minor cape]

its on dr for me too tho

😩

[jolly sierra]

REEEEEEEEEE

[jolly sierra]

fem elven rogue players barefooted and slutmogged be like

[stoic spruce]

theres only 3 females I know that play female belves and the rest are coomer guys

except me

I just think the male model is too feminine

[jolly sierra]

even blizz thought that once lol

the women i've met in game almost always goes w elves

but u can recognize coomers fast af w slutmogs and barefooted

lemme do the fastest example

[wary spire]

It's either nelf or male worgen from my experience.

[jolly sierra]

women using male worgen? what

[wary spire]

I have some very strange friends.

[jolly sierra]

who doesn't

a friend had a fem zanda and a male be

a guildie a fem undead

a old one had a fem be

[wary spire]

Absolute chad.

[jolly sierra]

average coomer xmog

[stoic spruce]

well idk about the slut mogs part but barefeet yeah

one sec

[jolly sierra]

sure thing

[stoic spruce]

this is my Gfs mog

[jolly sierra]

STILL COUNT AS PVP TRICKZ, GUYS LIKE THIS ASSAULTS OUR ALTS IN OUTDOOR KEK

ngl

when i was younger, i used the bloodscale plate w my ret, skimpy af

when i had like 15 yo lol

but now usually i try to make my outfits decent