pvp

[wary spire]

Undead is bis.

With red bandana.

[grizzled basin]

Hi, i'm sure this has been adressed but i cant find a clear answer : what's the conclusion on sophic devotion vs shadowflame for sin ? It seems evenly split among the top players

shadowflame is costly, i'd like to make sure switch from Sophic is the right choice

[wary spire]

Flame got nerfed.

There's no choice anymore. Only devotion.

[dapper chasm]

Sounds like Blink 182 lyrics

[grizzled basin]

ok thx 🙂

[minor cape]

sum41 prolly

blink 182 is more like i want to fuck your mom in the ass

😩

[dapper chasm]

And I'm so sorryyyy...

[minor cape]

the voice inside my yead

[thick slate]

hello there the angel from my nightmare

[minor cape]

i've been here befoore a few tooooimes

[stoic spruce]

Bing boing Bing boing Bing boing

[stoic spruce]

I have a hot take

You ready?

[minor cape]

yes

[stoic spruce]

Okay so

@topaz cedar you'll want to hear this too

Blizzard has stated numerous times that current trees are in their infancy right?

[topaz cedar]

reporting in

fire away

[stoic spruce]

Well, what if unholy had two completely different but viable builds. One a full pet build and a full dot build. Imagine a pet gamer not needing to talent into plaguebringer to do extra dot damage or a dot gamer not having to talent into apoc.

I think unholy should have both

[minor cape]

so whats the hot take

[topaz cedar]

my brother in christ

you are in the rogue discord

[stoic spruce]

I know

[minor cape]

we literally want uh dk deleted

forever

[stoic spruce]

Dk discord is too short sighted

[minor cape]

😎

[topaz cedar]

I like playing into uhdk on my rogue

[stoic spruce]

Same

[topaz cedar]

paper man die fast

[thick slate]

Hey guys i dont remember making a Dk, is this discord changed?

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[minor cape]

i really don't, at least didn't in 10.0

[stoic spruce]

Pre-season sure

[minor cape]

didn't play 10.1.5 at all

yet

just leved me a dh cause i need a braindead class

sometimes you just want to zug

and not bigbrain stunbot 110% brain resources

[topaz cedar]

lol

[stoic spruce]

Imagine

Blizz saying they're trying to make your spec get away from the one-shots, but revert that logic within 9 months

[minor cape]

waiting for that rogue rework

[stoic spruce]

Here's a hot take

Slice and Dice is worse than Roll the Bones

And I will die on that hill

[minor cape]

wtf

[topaz cedar]

i would also like a sub rework to where its low damage setup 1 dance again :^)

legion sub was my fav iteration

now we have so many goes its kinda dumb

dont have to think anywhere near as much

[minor cape]

secret tech hits harder than backstab - hot take

[stoic spruce]

I would much rather use a global for random buffs over spending combo points on the worst spender known to man.

[thick slate]

That’s fury for you, not dh

Dh dies

[minor cape]

tried leveling a warrior, hate it's icons

and shit

[stoic spruce]

Change them

[topaz cedar]

dh does have more to it than people think

[minor cape]

i also wanted a class that i like in terms of aesthetics

[topaz cedar]

i mean it took tren playing in awc for it to look at all good in that scene

[minor cape]

great! But won't be harder than sub

[topaz cedar]

i really dont think sub is that hard

[thick slate]

Idk feels like as dh you cant close out games on your own and have very little impact

[minor cape]

sub ain't hard, just sometimes give me brain overheat

[topaz cedar]

the stuff you pay attention to as sub you should be paying attention to when you play other stuff anyway

[minor cape]

like i play sub for 20 games of 2s and im tired and want to do smth more braindead

like less drs and stunlocking and more zug

[thick slate]

I wanna get good as sub, genuinely

I do my first go with dance and sectec then idk what the fuck to do in between dances and sectec on cd

I try to save blades when they have no trink

[minor cape]

idk i'm not good at sub too, like everytime i play i know i could do better

and that makes me overheat

[thick slate]

Lmao

[minor cape]

i wouldn't save blades most the time cause if you don't force smth in opener it's not a good opener probably

[thick slate]

Solid point i guess

[minor cape]

in between dances you put up ruptures

farm combo points to get dance

[thick slate]

Should i be playing that talent that reduces blade cd but makes it do 10% less?

[minor cape]

then once dr's are off you go again

[minor cape]

in shuff probably yes

it doesn't work like that,

[thick slate]

Ok but for the second dance do i instantly use it even if sectec is on cd so that i put some pressure? Or do i only dance with sectec up?

[minor cape]

You take that talent mostly for vanish cd - and it reduces ALL the damage by 10%

for 6 sec

when you sblades

but it doesn't matter really

[minor cape]

depends on situation. Sometimes you press it right away

but really for your go you only need symbols and dance and target being off dr

you can burst w sstrike a lot

so basically only dancing when stech is up ain't the way

[thick slate]

Interesting

I suppose this is better with the rotten build

Since symbols buff ss dmg

[stoic spruce]

Fun fact

Touch Of the Grave does more damage than DreadBlades

Wait

Tf

That's better

[dull plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/judging-gif-4584572

[tight veldt]

Fun fact - wtb outlaw buffs so I can enjoy my rogue life

[stoic spruce]

It's true

Just the initial hit though

Obv

[wary spire]

Forsaken op!

[stoic spruce]

OH PEEE

OH PEEEEEEEEE

[tight veldt]

Makes sense since Outlaw is a “dead” spec… kekw

[gritty heart]

which spec is now top for pvp?

[minor cape]

sub still

assa viable

law not viable

[topaz cedar]

sub is the only top tier spec rogue has rn

honestly im still confused why they swapped vendetta for deathmark

so much less satisfying imo

just not a good feeling button now

[autumn grail]

I played Outlaw until now and am trying to learn Sub but I have a difficult time to survive right now. Being concentrated to get my dance window working, I tend to forget a proper use of my defensives. I also feel totally useless outside of dance😅 Outlaw has constant damage. But I know sub is much better and I look forward to get used to it.

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/once-an-outlaw-always-an-outlaw-danteh-hydration-outlaws-you-cant-escape-being-an-outlaw-gif-19138825

https://tenor.com/view/guy-talking-beard-im-an-outlaw-cabron-gif-17582888

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/emma-naomi-alice-mondrich-bridgerton-period-drama-shondaland-gif-20000232

[languid ravine]

which one is the best shadow priest guide on YT?

oof beginner guide - 44 min

kek

[restive hemlock]

Yea Stahp is prob your best resource for spriest imo

[wary spire]

I wish shadenox had voiceovers kek.

[jolly sierra]

ask him for that lol

[wary spire]

Would be kinda ironic if he doesn't respond

[wary spire]

Also tbh I haven't realized that shadenox is a dude in this discord rocking some wombat as his avatar.

Felt like Youtube is a whole different world.

[nova viper]

only sub sub gank

[jolly sierra]

thought it was a bear

[nova viper]

outlaw is for kid

assa is for people who like 241-4921-034912-03912-039-1 ikons

es

[jolly sierra]

sexo

[nova viper]

seeexooooo

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[last jasper]

dafuq, u can't catalysy crafted gear into set?

[stoic spruce]

Nopeee

[stoic spruce]

Nah it's viable, just not as viable as others

To me, the only way a spec isn't viable is if you can't kill anything deep into dampening

Or easily counterable

Like fdk

[jolly sierra]

i was assaulted by a ret from my same faction w my lock in a wpvp quest

i just tossed everything on him, used bop and killed him through

[stoic spruce]

good

SHOW NO MERCY

RAHHHHH

[jolly sierra]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[last jasper]

At all or just that comes with an effect?

[stoic spruce]

at all I'm pretty sure

[pearl warren]

wrong

[jolly sierra]

tf did he said

i got offended so i killed him

[topaz cedar]

you consider assa on same tier as boomie?

[pearl warren]

wrong again

[topaz cedar]

well this is tedious

[pearl warren]

outlaw

sorry

very good

[topaz cedar]

outlaw.. same tier as boomie?

[pearl warren]

close yes

[topaz cedar]

wild

[last jasper]

Okay. Then I’m not that dumb, cuz I made a random crafted just to put it into catalyst. End up with 450 item with no vers😂

[wary spire]

Man fuck augs

[surreal barn]

Just wait until they come out with bards

And we get luted, fluted, and bongod to death

That’s gonna feel so bad lol

[restive hemlock]

Man does like no one play rogue? Trying to watch some rogue streams and can't find anything

[nova viper]

pikaboo play

Evasion too

[jolly sierra]

raz still streams tho

[pale storm]

my SSD shat itself and I had to redo all my addons, cannot for the life of me find my sappable addon that would show a Sap icon next to frames if out of combat

[fading blade]

hows that trinket from rifts?

[spring bough]

so is this a new thing

healer joins solo, sits for first 3 rounds gets blasted

then starts playing the last 3. what the hell is that lmao

[jolly sierra]

wintrading tho

[surreal barn]

Happened all day today lol

Leavers even after wins

I want them to get rid of the amount of players that accept the queue

[keen dune]

The win trading stuff is crazy

Idk if u guys saw that one guys Reddit post but he got like 30 que declines and people think it was the same healers looking for each other in que to trade

[surreal barn]

Yep

[surreal barn]

I mean you can beat em, but it is an uphill battle

[languid ravine]

havent noticed a single wintrader in EU

like the whole season 2 not just today

[pale storm]

found the addon I was looking for

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/unitincombat

[jolly sierra]

im trying to farm scholomance old but i have problems w the loot

dunno why sometimes i dont receive anything REEEEEEEE

[unkempt vine]

This matches the classic scholo experience. Working as intended.

Also, why bring back old scholo but not 40 Naxx. It's some wierd alternate Wrath Naxx.

Should put 40 Naxx in and add a feat of strength that Ulduar has.

[jolly sierra]

maybe cuz MUH CORRUPTUH ASSBRINGUH

[stoic spruce]

NFTs suddenly have value

[jolly sierra]

isn't that shit dead since 2022?

[stoic spruce]

yes

but tell them that

[lucid citrus]

is it personal preference choosing between Conq or wpvp OH for sub?

[minor cape]

i once played with 0-6 guy and i lost every round with him obv. He then messaged me and told me that i played good against him intentionally because im a wintrader

[jolly sierra]

that one is straight a noob

[minor cape]

lol he just salty

[minor cape]

if you want more shadow techniques it's conq dagger, if you want more mastery it's wpvp sword or conq claws

[jolly sierra]

im legally stealing mats from public orders

im transmuting dracotyst and taking the spores

the problem is i'll need to get more stat to refund with more chance

[minor cape]

but you are using it for crafting

so it ain't stealing

[jolly sierra]

i will resell them in ah

kek

[wanton breach]

did you get a resourcefulness enchant on your tool?

[wanton breach]

wasn't he the one trading away the wins?

[gritty heart]

HI

i just started sub pvp what is best talents

[potent pivot]

There’s a few builds listed in #pvp-faq

[sharp sierra]

Damn since 10.1.5 dropped i’ve only been able to play a total of like 3 hours. Today finally have some time, how rogues doing? Who’s doing great and who’s just bad now a days?

[keen magnet]

What is the current opener with tier/rotten?

[potent pivot]

Wdym, spec wise?

[restive hemlock]

Shadenox's guide on IcyVeins cover's the openers and burst rotations really well.

[untold remnant]

Just dinged a boomie, checking out the Dreamgrove PvP section: what a mess that channel is 😂

[nova viper]

sexooooooooooooooooooooooo

[keen magnet]

Thank you!

[river pollen]

does anyone know after how much mastery and versatility we start getting diminishing returns?

[tawny kestrel]

yes

[river pollen]

could you tell me plz

[minor cape]

just get as much as you can

without sacrifising the 2 set

mastery is priority

it doesn't matter when you get diminishing returns

the only real dmg sources that are not affected by mastery are shadowstrike and gloom if you play it

but idk about cutoffs

[sharp sierra]

In general, just wondering how rogues are. Sub still the place to be? And then just wondering if there is any classes just broken like pally was before i had to stop playing for a little.

[crimson basalt]

Sub busted atm

Trust

[hidden dome]

Why isn't unholy dk's heal absorb shown on the health bar

like every heal absorb in the history of WoW was prior

Without a weak aura it is impossible to tell if I should use a hard defensive or just heal through it

that is just horrible design

[sharp sierra]

Doesn’t feel it, but that is just because i literally only have honor gear from not being able to play at all the past month. Job as been crazy 😩

[crimson basalt]

Feltttt dude I’m 110% mastery baseline

[hidden dome]

Pushing to 2k on my holy I feel like every second game is against unholy

in 2s

[sharp sierra]

Unholy crazy right now?

[crimson basalt]

Yeah

Busted

[hidden dome]

in 2s he is very unstoppable once damp gets to 50%

[sharp sierra]

Yeah i haven’t ran into any yet, first time i’ve been able to play arena was today since the new patch. So they’re probably all up way higher 😂

[hidden dome]

Ye, you get free 1.6 for just queuing up as an unholy

You will find most at 1.7-2.0k

not sure above that

depends on if they can beat the really broken comps

[stoic spruce]

Can't face tank sustain = busted

Got it

I'll keep that in mind when I fight every other melee

[stoic spruce]

If you're hardstuck 1600, yes.

If you cloak abom limb, yes its busted for you.

[jolly sierra]

yes

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

[nova viper]

the best relation in internet

[jolly sierra]

XD

[hidden dome]

I've got 1.8 on outlaw and holy in 2s and pushing towards 2k with my holy right now

and unholy is busted

Everything else is just unholy cope

[stoic spruce]

It's literally not

[hidden dome]

I can just tell you how I feel like

Unless you play against really good druids or surv hunters

unholies are the worst matchups to have in 2s

at about 1.95

[stoic spruce]

If that's what you feel

[hidden dome]

I mean no other class has the "oh your next 3 heals do 0 healing and you don't know about it unless you use a weak aura" bullshit

that counts for a lot

half the problem with unholy is that blizzard forget to display the heal absorb like they usually do

[harsh steppe]

SEXOOOOOOOOO

[topaz cedar]

you said an unholy dk killed your healer through stun and then posted a death log of apocalypse

[topaz cedar]

wait.. what? what are you talking about with this

The only thing i can think of even close to that is priest mindgames

theres nothing like that on dk

[jolly sierra]

dk at least as i recall had a shit called necrotic strike which absorbed healing

[hidden dome]

yep

[topaz cedar]

No, its a stacking mortal strike debuff

[hidden dome]

necrotic strike

[topaz cedar]

it stacks up to 24%, which is 1% less than warrior mortal strike

[hidden dome]

steals healing

[topaz cedar]

necrotic strike hasnt been in the game

since

SHADOWLANDS

literally got removed like 1 season into SL

[hidden dome]

I don't know the exact name

but they got some kind of dot that steals healing

[topaz cedar]

this

No

its not a dot

[jolly sierra]

then is necrotic wounds

[topaz cedar]

yes

[jolly sierra]

its very similar

still absorb healing

[topaz cedar]

but its less heal reduction than mortal strike

[jolly sierra]

is not a MS

[topaz cedar]

it is

it literally is

functionally it is an MS

[hidden dome]

Wait I log on my dk

give me a second

[topaz cedar]

this guy is talking about how he's healing for 0

[hidden dome]

and I post a sc

[topaz cedar]

WHICH

FUNCTIONS

[hidden dome]

ye

[topaz cedar]

AS

MS

[hidden dome]

No?

[topaz cedar]

FOR PURPOSES OF HEALING

[jolly sierra]

MS is a reduction

not an absorb

[hidden dome]

MS is a reduction

not an absorb

[jolly sierra]

see

[hidden dome]

Reduction = "your heal does less"

Absorb = "your heal does nothing"

[topaz cedar]

please explain to me the difference when you're trying to heal an ally, between 24% absorption vs 24% reduction

24% ABSORPTION AND 24% REDUCTION REDUCES THE SAME AMOUNT OF HEALING

[jolly sierra]

u will not receive healing and u will barely receive healing

[topaz cedar]

no

because

necrotic wounds

is % based

if you heal 100 healing wounds will take 24 healing and the enemy will get 100-24

[hidden dome]

I think it stacks differently with damp

[topaz cedar]

exact same output to ally as mortal strike debuff

[hidden dome]

than mortal stirke

[topaz cedar]

it doesnt

because

[hidden dome]

just personal feeling

[topaz cedar]

its

%

ITS PERCENTAGE BASED XDD NOT FLAT

[hidden dome]

Nah, blizzard shitty coding

[jolly sierra]

think we need a r1 here to confirm

cuz im sure works different

[hidden dome]

And even %s can stack multiplicative and additive

big difference

huge difference

[topaz cedar]

it doesnt you're all just remembering old necrotic that showed an actual absorb region on the hp bar

[stoic spruce]

Oh boy

[topaz cedar]

and didnt scale with damp

current nec wounds is LITERALLY just MS that heals you for the amount it reduced when the debuff times out

thats ALL it is

[hidden dome]

Are you sure? It feels way worse to heal against than sharpen MS

like WAY WORSE

[topaz cedar]

im 1000000% sure

you're just not playing around uhdk pressure

and arms does no damge

so ofc it feels worse to heal against

[stoic spruce]

Beep is right. Also, the minimal difference between NW and an MS is the reason it can be stacked together.

[hidden dome]

I don't know unless I do some testing myself

took people half of BfA to notice that scaling was broken

[topaz cedar]

this discord is probably the worst class discord ive ever been in for stuff like this lol

genuinely unreal

not to mention

that its 4% per wound pop

[hidden dome]

yeah, unholy players are defending a broken class

[topaz cedar]

no

people trying and failing to explain basic mechanics to you

[hidden dome]

lol

I bet you can't even answer me if damp and MS stack multiplicative or additive

[jolly sierra]

AHHHHHHHHHH BUT TELL HIM ABOUT THE CUM BOOTS AND SEE HOW HE REACT

[hidden dome]

And you want to explain to me how a heal absord that is coded differently than every other heal absorb in the game

[stoic spruce]

That has nothing to do with you being bad into unholy

[hidden dome]

works

[topaz cedar]

it isnt

coded

differently

[hidden dome]

It is

[topaz cedar]

ITS LITERALLY AN MS THAT STORES HEALING

[hidden dome]

every other heal absorb shows on the health bar

[topaz cedar]

BECAUSE ITS NOT A REAL HEALTH ABSORB

[hidden dome]

Yes

Because it is coded differently

[topaz cedar]

nvm

ur genuinely too thick to talk to

chew rocks

[hidden dome]

Bet you can't even hit 1.8 with a broken class

And that is why you are defending it

[jolly sierra]

oh shit now we slap the rating

[stoic spruce]

🎵These boots were made cumming, and that's just what theyll do🎵

[jolly sierra]

this spiked high

[hidden dome]

I'm not sure what to tell you. I play against a unholy dk every second game above 1.9 in 2s

and these clowns want to tell me he isn't busted. every other class that played at that rating is busted

[stoic spruce]

And you still don't know how to kill the squishest clas sin the game

[jolly sierra]

sin rogue?

[stoic spruce]

Because all you do is say it's busted without giving an actual reason. You said that they're impossible to heal but that's because of a Heal Reduc/Absorb and dampening. That's not exclusive to unholy.

[stoic spruce]

Assa has evasion and cloak bubble

[jolly sierra]

then?

[stoic spruce]

Stonks

[jolly sierra]

kek

i wanna steal defensives

[stoic spruce]

That'd be sick

[jolly sierra]

just gimme the warr impending victory and im happy

or ignore pain

[stoic spruce]

So true bestie

[hidden dome]

I mean I have been playing with a good unholy friend for a few games

[languid ravine]

Rogue needs that 2 second ultra evasion that priest has

[hidden dome]

and he literally killed heals at 1.9 in the opener

[languid ravine]

whats it called

[jolly sierra]

rogue needs elusiveness with 30% reduction back and cheat death together

[stoic spruce]

I do that with outlaw. What's your point?

[jolly sierra]

like in beta

[languid ravine]

or make feint giga evade everything for 1.5 seconds

[hidden dome]

Fair, but with outlaw those things are rare

[stoic spruce]

Based

[hidden dome]

out of 4 games against mistweaver he nuked 3 of them in the opener

[languid ravine]

maybe its a bad idea actually, if you start dodging CCs on rogue it ll just end up being oppressive

[hidden dome]

To be fair, maybe my problem with unholy is that it's a hard matchup for holy

[languid ravine]

problem with Unholy is imo, he either dominates completely or needs to run away the whole game

not much in between

[stoic spruce]

So what you're saying is.... rework?

[hidden dome]

btw I'm loving frost mage atm. At 417 gs I do more DPS than my 450 outlaw

Winning games at 1.6 with less than 420gs

Glacial Spike already hitting with 210k

[jolly sierra]

can confirm the thing w dk

[stoic spruce]

Tbf that's historically been a thing and since pally sucks into magic.

[jolly sierra]

yesterday i had a match against one w my warr

[stoic spruce]

And everyone is running claw of shadows

Clawing Shadows?

[hidden dome]

I think its Clawing Shadows

ye

[jolly sierra]

the guy almost died in round 1 when i leapt to him and the sp did void shift, sadly we lose cuz the guy said go sp

next round i said the other guy to go dk then insta died

and was like that in the next rounds

[hidden dome]

@stoic spruce @topaz cedar I just looked, Unholy is the second most played meele spec in 2s above 2k on EU

first one being Sub

well not counting Surv

since Surv is more range than meele anyway

And Surv is always king in 2s anyway at high rating

You may not believe me, but the stats really don't lie. And Sub can be explained with rogue mage being giga strong like usual

[languid ravine]

we all know the game is never balanced and especially not around 2s

[hidden dome]

Ye

And that is why I don't even post in the forums about that asking them to change it

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/fantasy-strike-gif-19330860

[hidden dome]

That is how playing against enchanment feels like sometimes

[jolly sierra]

AHHHHHHHHHH WAIT I KNOW A GUY WHICH CAN END THE DEBATE

@pale storm my guy, can you confirm if a mortal strike and absorbing from necrotic wounds are exactly the same?

[hidden dome]

Calling in the big guns

hehe

[jolly sierra]

yeah, the only one which is willingly to appear if we call him

[hidden dome]

I don't mind them other 2 lads being right either. Maybe they are correct and it works just like a MS

but after over 20 years of coding maps in old blizzard scripting languages and after following the WoW exploit scene since wotlk, I can say for sure that just because "something should work that way" doesn't mean it does work that way.

It would also be reasonable for Mind Control to not randomely disconnect players in arena, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

[harsh steppe]

this is a small indie company bruh

[hidden dome]

Exactly

[languid ravine]

what? pretty sure Necrotic wound absorb is just flat reduction to Health restored value

the amount of flat is just based on max hp%

ah nvm absoloutely no clue how it may work at code level

[hidden dome]

It is 4% of all healing in the next 15 seconds. But the important part is, if it absorbs 4% of the reduced heal or 4% of the unreduced heal

Imagine you are at 60% damp, which often happens in 2s

You Lay on Hands for 400k, with reductions it would heal for 160k

If necrotic works like MS then it absorbs 4% of those 160k

or just 6,4k a stack

If it is coded differently then it might absorb 4% of the 400k, which means it takes 16k a stack

[gleaming pawn]

it's not coded differently, dampening takes precedence and is calculated before MS effects

[hidden dome]

Sure, but is it coded like a MS effect?

[gleaming pawn]

in practice, yes

[hidden dome]

We never had a "take x% of all healing done" effect before

It takes one oversight on whoever made the ability for it to work differently

and it is an easy mistake to make

Just using the "healing done" variable instead of the "reduced healing done" one

[gleaming pawn]

MS > Reduces Healing done by X amount. So 160k heal is 121.6k after (24%) MS effect
NW > Absorbes healing done by X amount. So 160k heal is 121.6k after (24%) healing is prevented/absorbed

[hidden dome]

Yes I know

But I'm not talking about a "how it should work" perspective

I'm talking about a "How it is coded" perspective

where blizzard has been shitty at in the past

[gleaming pawn]

you'd just rather feelcraft how you think something is working counter to how everything else is coded and works, to try and explain why your healer died

[hidden dome]

Yes, I honestly trust my feelings more than blizzard current coding staff

[gleaming pawn]

instead of ranting for hours, why don't you grab a DK and duel a healer, and see what the numbers are

this isn't rocket science

[hidden dome]

With how buggy everything has been in 10.1.5

[hidden dome]

True

but you can't do it in a duel, need to do it in a wargame to check damp

once I get enough friends together I will test it

Maybe my feeling is off and then I'm glad to be wrong

but from my feeling high damp against unholy feels way worse than high damp against heal reduction

[stoic spruce]

You know what would be nice? If blizz optimized their game. My game doesn't need to crash everytime I fly into valdrakken

[hidden dome]

True that

[surreal barn]

Landed the name Jaina, I have been meaning to give mage a try 😂

[languid ravine]

this boomkin in my game has been oneshotting people for 4 rounds in a row at 1800 nice lobby

[jolly sierra]

bruh i got 2 in a row

used the cloak once when i saw he was deleting me i got spared

then proceed to delete me w full moon and statsurge 30s later

bypasing cheat death, what a fucker

[jolly sierra]

do u think they will add this to retail?

sometimes i've killed people in duels, but because bugs, not like it was intended or something kek

[pale storm]

I don’t know honestly, reading that I could see it being either way. Let me talk to my people and get back to you.

[jolly sierra]

thank you very much, can wait a little more

[pale storm]

So the debate is whether necrotic wounds DK ability is functionally the same as mortal strike effect? Is healing reduced the same as healing absorbed? Like would it result in the same value of health lost if same % reduction?

[jolly sierra]

the debate is

if they are exactly the same effect as mechanic

or work independently each other in same target

both L2 and me think work as different effects but we need an expert to finish this

[shut solstice]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-incoming-guardian-druid-augmentation-evoker-nerfs-334240?webhook

in response to player feedback, we will not be changing outlaw rogues. Get fucked. -bliz

[jolly sierra]

XD

im considering going WW to push

oh boy here comes the best part

[shut solstice]

lol

[shut solstice]

thats outlaw

right

[jolly sierra]

tf is an outlaw

HAHAHAHAAH

:l

[wary spire]

Nothing for rogue again.

[jolly sierra]

still ok

ME SMASH

and no rogues

[wary spire]

Wtf.

Is that because we have "a rework in the works"?

[jolly sierra]

dunno

but is taking too long

[wary spire]

Legit feels like we're just forgotten the whole expansion.

Exag is still in its placeholder state, tier's still bugged, no news, no updates, nothing.

[jolly sierra]

agree

dunno tf is going on w devs

but feels like they forgot about us

[gleaming pawn]

Rogues are only ever good or even great, on accident. And as soon as they are performing really well because of a bug or over tuning from PvE, we are nerfed back into our “place”

[jolly sierra]

though we were devs' spoiled childs

[stoic spruce]

its temporary

until rework

[pale storm]

he said it is an MS but different, works differently

[acoustic junco]

you know what's sad? there's not even 1000 people who have queued outlaw shuffle

[jolly sierra]

so, who is right according to our discussion above?

[stoic spruce]

I think its one of those things where we are both right and wrong

thanks a lot blizz

[jolly sierra]

hope the cum boots hater have read the conclusion

[stoic spruce]

🎵 THESE BOOTS WERE MADE FOR CUMMING🎵

[pale storm]

yeah just a weird bliss thing

[jolly sierra]

this is my kingdom come this is my kingdom come

[potent pivot]

Could be, if there’s something bigger coming changing our tuning now could add extra work later on-if they’re already in the process of designing the rework I guess

But outlaw’s the only spec that’s really in need of help atm really

[nova viper]

its good

when they made something for rogue is probably nerf

xD

[jolly sierra]

800 CR andy says: NERF ROG CANT MOVE WITH ALL THOSE STUNS REEEEEEEE
blizzard: K nerfs them in next reset

rogue main says: guys i need to survive more and have my damage balanced
blizzard: who tf r u gtfo kek

[nova viper]

i guess rogue survive is fine?

I mean

we have evasion, CoS, Feint, 2x vanish and shadowmeld if u play NELF like a OG man

and crimson vial

[jolly sierra]

assa says hello, also i've seen subs complaining about being assblasted by demos or zuzgug shit

enough for considering using sporecloak

[stoic spruce]

literally everyone is getting melted by demos

get in line

[minor cape]

nah sub is fine against zug zug

demo is another thing

[hot escarp]

Anyone keeps on popping out of stealth, even when no dots on them?

[wanton breach]

oh nice, time to play arms!

[marble oasis]

I’m just glad aug is getting massively toned down.
They felt like war machines with anyone else near by.

[long shore]

What is best build for pushing 2100 in shuffle?

Sub feels so hard when people don’t understand stun DRs

[vital finch]

Prob sin tbh. It’s brain dead; just kidney on DR and you win.

[long shore]

Yeah you are hudwinx. I’m really struggling at 1800-1900 mmr

And can’t seem to climb higher

Always that Ret pally or warrior who random triply DR stun and make the target immune -,-

Sin is pretty weak now though I think

Quite lacking in damage

[harsh steppe]

gm

[harsh steppe]

with the new skins for nelf... i have been seriously considering race changing

[marble oasis]

So i’ve not set foot in shuffle this while season basically.
Is the queue time worth the aggro now?
I really need to finish gearing my main plus wanting conquest for my warrior/mage. As really need to get my rating up anyway so the new boxes should be great.

[marble oasis]

Should give shadenox a watch he’s a master craft on sin.
Done some solo shuffle stuff recently and provides his thoughts per round.

[harsh steppe]

que times are not as bad as people make out to be

[marble oasis]

I’m still thinking the hour long canon.
Wait so long put off going to the toilet after waiting so long then miss the queue to wait another hour.

[long shore]

Ah okay yeah I’ll check it out sounds good, thanks for recommending

[marble oasis]

For an example

https://youtu.be/PYFqQjZM9Rs

[minor cape]

ah yes the daily popping out of stealth

are you assas with set?

[long shore]

Ty!

He makes Assas works well

[minor cape]

are you undead?

[long shore]

I hate sub in shuffle. Don’t mind sub in 3s though

[minor cape]

i hope rework makes sub more shuff friendly otherwise you can either oneshot or you get nerfed and do nothing

😩

[long shore]

Maybe I’ll try trillR one dance build in shuffle and see if it’s better

Zug more think less

[harsh steppe]

Nah not at all. all mine at least are around 10-15m tops
i think que times get blown way out of proportion because when it does occasionally happen, it's the first thing people complain about

[long shore]

The vanish rotten build is okay but your teammates have a 70% chance of messing up stun DRs

[marble oasis]

Oh that’s cool.
I might jump on in a bit and have a go at some then.
That’s actually super reasonable. Can probs queue a bg get that done then insta pop. 👌

I just need to remember i’m covered in oil and abuse subs slipperyness in the opener.
Let all the zugzug do their one pump chump stuff.

[harsh steppe]

yes kween YASSSS

https://tenor.com/view/dab-slide-slippery-slip-with-style-gif-15085838

[hot escarp]

yes, does it have anything to do with it?

[wary spire]

Sure does.

It's bugged.

[long shore]

what do u mean by its bugged? in what way

[wary spire]

Rupture ticks take you out of stealth.

[long shore]

oh man that sucks

are most of u guys Subtlety for solo shuffle?

[wary spire]

I'm assa.

[thick slate]

what do you guys macro badge with ?

blades or sectec?

[thick slate]

alo??

[queen geyser]

The dream is still alive

[harsh steppe]

@thick slate well everyone's different ofc but from what i gathered from pikaboo's video & several people here, this is the most popular macro. the reason is that in the ideal burst rotation, you use symbols of death at the end
keep in mind that in a perfect world where you're the guy from A Beautiful Mind lol, you'd have every possible macro combination & every skill have their own keybind

[thick slate]

Good stuff, thank you so much for the info my guy 😄

[thick slate]

anyone got a good solo shuff assa build ?

[surreal barn]

High stakes 2100 game

I go 1-5 😂

Aug/DK/DH

[tawny kestrel]

nice little 491k full moon

fun spec

[queen geyser]

Literally a tactical nuke

[surreal barn]

Holy shit 😂

[last jasper]

Till Tuesday

[wary spire]

Is Tuesday gonna be better for us or worse?

[surreal barn]

Better higher mmr

Worse lower lol

At least that’s how I viewed it

[wary spire]

Is 1700-1800 low or high? ~~

[surreal barn]

Well unh DK wasn’t nerfed at all and warrior was buffed. If you are having trouble in melee strong lobbies then it might feel harder?

The notes make it look like Aug survivability went down which seemed needed

[gleaming whale]

Been away from PvP for awhile. There was a website I used the past that would show % of each talent, race, stat etc used by the top 50 or 100 players. Cannot remember the site however, not even sure it's still around.

[limber birch]

Murlok.io

[gleaming whale]

That's it! Appreciate that.

[queen geyser]

Gentlemen, the Outlaw dream is alive

[surreal barn]

Congrats 🎉

[gleaming pawn]

2s is cheating! But no really, congrats

[minor cape]

how is rm in 2s

after mage rework

[surreal barn]

Very good

[minor cape]

real?

[surreal barn]

Yep

[minor cape]

better than before?

gonna go try

[surreal barn]

Better Tuesday after tunings

[minor cape]

is it w frost now

with that ray of frost shit

[surreal barn]

Either, I like fire

[queen geyser]

I'm 2 cr off in Shuffle from 1800 too. And probably would've gotten it in SS first if a healer friend didn't hit me up like "hey, you need conq? I wanna slam some 2s"

It was hella fun

[last jasper]

so they nerfed hpala and q times went back to normal. 15-20mins?

[austere thorn]

any1 know any addon/WA to make the focus castbar bigger? I know you can resize focus frame on edit mode but I dont want my focus frame bigger, just the castbar

[wary spire]

Fuck this shite

One round pala had 90k dps

Zug zug to the max

Went 1-5

Fuck me

Was good match away from 1800

Now back to fucking nowhere

[surreal barn]

Unfortunately happens man

It will come

[jolly sierra]

REEEEEEE

always happens

i dropped hard in early week cuz 2 filthy chickens in a row

just got 6 number lenght damage

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHHHHHH

[jolly sierra]

RAAAAAAAAHHH ME ANGYR

[minor cape]

OH PEE OH PEE

[jolly sierra]

POO POO

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHHHHHH

ME SMASH

[hidden dome]

That is a new bug

I just knocked that poor holy under the map

causing him to be stuck in a dc-loop

[surreal barn]

Awful lol

[jolly sierra]

lol

k giorno

[last jasper]

Who was asking about bots?

https://youtu.be/5pYwhhbV-vA

[jolly sierra]

nerf rogues

[gleaming pawn]

I don't get the dps that afk out of a match and take max penalty

with all the crying they are always doing about queue times

[hidden dome]

I avoid SS queue times by just not playing SS with my DPS

2s with friends > SS with randoms any day

[jolly sierra]

if my friend wouldnt have to go to jail each one and half week i would have him geared to go

F for conditional freedom

[hidden dome]

Sounds a lot like my healer. He also always has trouble with the law

comes with the territory of being a good heal I guess

[jolly sierra]

our healers should be the real rogues tho

[hidden dome]

true

[long shore]

hey raz, would u play rotten CDR build or the 1dance thistle tea build for solo shuffle?

[spring bough]

messing around with an ER KIR build in solo and hit 120k dps peak killed a dude within 15 secs of the match start. 6 dispatches 512k damage LOL

93k dispatch for the KB lmao

1 pistol cast for 127k too lol

[gleaming pawn]

Well don’t leave us in suspense, what build are you using

[stoic spruce]

Echoing Reprimand AND Keep it Rolling? Nah take it to the grave lol

KiR sucks but you cant pay me to run ER

[gleaming pawn]

Eh, I’ve only ever found ER annoying with Sub. It’s otherwise pretty easy to hit the empowered points without issue

[spring bough]

not taking it seriously but its pretty fun to play lol

this is what it did

[worldly girder]

do we not play 4set?

it looks strong but the top tier rogues only have 2 set

[minor cape]

Panda's friend is a drug dealer

😭

[hidden dome]

The Outlaw 4p really isn't that strong

since it's nerfed by 50% in arena like every other tierset

Could be better to just run good stats over it. But either way, it doesn't really change much.

The 2-3% damage difference won't win or lose you matches with outlaw

[proper hare]

yo boys, can anyone explain when do i use feint as assa rogue

[languid ravine]

when you are hugging the pillar and there is frost orb and blizzard chipping at your HP and you really want to draw out that loss and waste everyones time is when you press feint

[proper hare]

what do you guys do when there is a warrior in ur team stunning the kill target on cd 😄

[languid ravine]

mate

you either stun your target first, or you stun some other guy or you stun the same guy but diminishing returns

or you dont use stun until diminish falls off

it all depends on a trillion things

[stoic spruce]

If he had damage coming, disarm.

If he's bad

Disarm anyway because at that level, anything goes.

[jolly sierra]

XD

[jolly sierra]

if he smash then stun the healer or the other dps

[proper hare]

ok ty

[stoic spruce]

And what I said

I'm smarp

[jolly sierra]

u smarp

[stoic spruce]

Me am veby smarp:D

[indigo nimbus]

dagger or sword in offhand for outlaw?

[minor cape]

cry very loud about it, stand afk if he messes up your dr ONCE

after the game whisper him and say something mean

go to his checkpvp

find the gamemode he plays the least but where he also has a small winrate

for example rbg where he played 3 games

whisper him "oh my god no wonder you have 33% winrate in rbg cause YOU SUCK"

tell him you have a gladiator alt account and that he shouldnt even play the game if he doesnt reach 2.6k

also say smth about his momma

[jolly sierra]

tell him he is fat and show him this

[spring bough]

has anyone been having DC issues lately with wow? just got a que pop hit enter and boom auto lag and DC. get back in to deserter debuff.... RIP

[sharp sierra]

Would think dagger for quicker poison procs. I know sub is doing slow in offhand but that’s just because for some reason they never give daggers mastery.

Don’t know who thought it was a good idea to put crit on the dagger

[jolly sierra]

swords for stats, poisons are crap in sub and only are good for MS

u have MH for poison procs tho

[tawny kestrel]

sub is not doing slow off hand

[jolly sierra]

once i even saw a sub using insta poison in pvp bruh

[narrow tangle]

is there anyone playing assa rogue

[jolly sierra]

me

[long shore]

@tawny kestrel would you recommend rotten CDR build or thistle tea 1 dance for sub solo shuffle? Around 2k mmr working my way up

[tawny kestrel]

i think rotten is better, but thistle tea works too

[long shore]

Thank you, may I pick your brain on why rotten is better at 2-2.1k mmr?

[tawny kestrel]

i dont know why its better at 2-2.1k mmr

ive just mostly played rotten

i dont see any rogues playing thistle tea and doing well

in shuffle on eu anyway

[long shore]

ahh ok tyty! i see kalvish playing it and trillr on NA. nahj plays it occasionally too, but i have no idea how they make it work. CDR feels pretty good in shuffle.

more defensives and faster goes

ill keep playing rotten then. would u play subterfuge or vigor build?

[tawny kestrel]

ive played this 99% of my games

BUQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFAAAJAAAAAAAQIJJJSCkIJJQCQSSSSScgGJJNEJlkkAQAAAA

keep in mind, there are like 100 sub builds that work and are fine

so just play what u want

[long shore]

tyty raz, really appreciate it

i noticed you play master of shadows (25 energy regen over 3s) over the first dance (+4cp on dance), any reason why?

and thiefs bargain is a solid pick in almost every match up right? thiefs bargain / smoke bomb / duel the usual. maybe swap smoke bomb out for disarm if theres a rogue/war

[minor cape]

do you shuff with cheat?

or elus

[tawny kestrel]

first dance is useless with rotten and yes to the last thing u said

[long shore]

ah ok i get it. forgot about 2 piece symbols giving combo points

thanks!!!

[jolly sierra]

cheat most of time

elusive is nerfed af

[opal bone]

Any decent outlaw build for shuffle or is that spec just non existent

[sharp sierra]

Everyone i see has a fist, mace, or sword. As long as it has mastery.

[sharp sierra]

Actually went on your rating to see how i should gear but it looked like you had pve on 😅

[sharp sierra]

Pika was, but he switched to danse/flag

[tawny kestrel]

i said on eu

[sharp sierra]

Oh sorry, didn’t finish reading obviously lol 😂

[tawny kestrel]

and yes im using 2x sarkareth daggers

[sharp sierra]

This season for some reason seems way harder to progress than the last when you get a late start. Full honor geared with 1-2 conq pieces and weapons on all my chars and feel like i’m just dying instantly still.

Couldn’t play for like a month since patch dropped. Feel so behind 😞

My priest gets absolutely bulldozed when i arena on him. Not sure if they just got nerfed hard or honor gear just isn’t cutting it like it used to lol

[sharp sierra]

Yeah, i got the LFR one 😂 not even close enough to good to be able to use it. But love the tmog

2pc with rotten still the goto? I see you said there are plenty of build that work with sub. I do see a bunch of different ones when i look through leaderboards.

[fading blade]

Raz a goat

[jolly sierra]

🐐

[sharp sierra]

The* and the fancy say to say the.

[plush shard]

im able to craft another 450 piece what do i get?

sub btw

[jolly sierra]

a ring

[spring bough]

id say ring cause of socket

[plush shard]

the signet?

without emblish or the ring bound hourglass

[jolly sierra]

it has not embelishment

[plush shard]

i already have 2 im saying

[jolly sierra]

ah

yeah go ahead and craft one then

w versa mastery

[plush shard]

the ring bound

[jolly sierra]

any of the 2 rings

are the same

[plush shard]

ah

[minor cape]

i have leveled a dh to 70

god forgive me

i have sinned

[gleaming pawn]

Outlaw bros, the HO single target build for raiding goes fully down the left side to pick up Thistle Tea and ignoring Lethality and Acrobatic Strikes. Think this is worth it? Especially since these days Outlaw doesn't play crit

[dull plaza]

xd

[spring bough]

i just run the old 2/2 lethality with it when i do HO

[frozen coral]

What are the recommended embelishments for sub rogue?

[marble oasis]

Agi on CC/interrupt boots and the comfy lining i believe on shoulders

[wary spire]

ASSA DREAM IS REAL BOYS

ASSA DREAM IS REAL

[jolly sierra]

WHOA GRATZ

6-0 in ur milestone

what a chad

[wary spire]

They also said i had a nice morg

Uninstalling this trash game. Bit in a good, happy way.

[jolly sierra]

nice morg

[jolly sierra]

i can give u a quest if u wanna to

[wary spire]

I'm listening

[stoic spruce]

Wanna to

[jolly sierra]

unlock old scholo and naxx scourgestones

then get t3 tokens and sell them for tons of golds

or do one for urself

[wary spire]

I was expecting somethin dum but that is actually a decent idea.

[jolly sierra]

ofc

[wary spire]

My stats btw. 525 525 on sub. ~1550 raiting.

[jolly sierra]

i would say dumb shit just if needed kek

at least u discovered u are better in assa than sub

[wary spire]

Assa 5 life

[jolly sierra]

i wanna play assa again, hope i dont get a shitty chicken this time

[wary spire]

Honestly nothing is scarier than wars and dhs.

[jolly sierra]

me smash

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHHH

[jolly sierra]

RAAAAAAAAAH

[jolly sierra]

ngl i recall once in last week i was about to win in a 2s against a dh

then the guy bursted so hard than he killed me in 2 seconds

[wary spire]

Yep sounds about right.

Their meta in df feels like it's a permanent state.

[river pollen]

is wpvp back better than the conquest one? the ilvl is 447 but it has more mastery

for sub rogues

[wary spire]

Crap, only one shoulder farts smoke.

[jolly sierra]

oof

[surreal barn]

Destro/demo/arms lobby

That was terrible ha

[spring bough]

gotta get that elite to get them both XD

[jolly sierra]

u need to be premium with 2k4 to make the other shoulder fart

[wary spire]

Im as elite as they come.

Also wonder if they'll buff assa on Monday now that I'm done.

[gleaming pawn]

if only

[stoic spruce]

Buff outlaw too

[spring bough]

2500 key rating doesnt seem too bad might be the easiest to do for the shoulder fun lol

[stoic spruce]

Greenskin should've never been nerfed

[spring bough]

that or FTH or the original nerfs lol

gimme another 9% buff and then another pls

[wary spire]

Ah, right, the game also has pve...

[spring bough]

its not too bad lol. got to 2300 in two weekends and outlaw does some dmg there lol

[wary spire]

Is assa still dogwater in m+?

[gleaming pawn]

yes

[spring bough]

i think most play sub

[wary spire]

Weh.

[gleaming pawn]

it's Sub for easy keys, HO Outlaw isn't too far behind on damage currently

[spring bough]

finally ditched the 4 set for outlaw and i got up to 38.96% vers without it lol

wondering if i can hit 40% lol

[gleaming pawn]

isn't 30% the big drop off in return, have to wonder if that's worth it

not that the 4th set does fuck all in pvp

[spring bough]

probably lol. but w outlaw i dont think anything matters lol

[gleaming pawn]

that's fair lol

[spring bough]

ive went all mastery vers going all crit vers now lol

[acoustic junco]

It's only 10% penalty until 40%

[jolly sierra]

got my old reliable healer from prison for this week

we got 100 CR in 2s

think we can 2k1 with some time

[harsh steppe]

gm

do i use disarm against WW? are they physical?

[jolly sierra]

dont

they only uses fists of fury w weps

[harsh steppe]

ahhh tysm bb

how's the climb going? where you at atm

[jolly sierra]

i was in 1500 then 1k7 now

we can get 1k8 in like 2 days more if isnt tomorrow

[harsh steppe]

nice! keep it up

[jolly sierra]

ty ty

[nova viper]

go 2k

sexoooo

easy way if u play rogue

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHHHHH

2K LETS GO RAHHHH

[jolly sierra]

gimme time sexooooooooooooooo

we just started climbing lol

[nova viper]

u know

just sprint on start

sap healer

and full combo on one dps

easy win

[jolly sierra]

i know

[stoic spruce]

rah :c

[jolly sierra]

rah

[nova viper]

sexoooo!

[jolly sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j6L1j4YbP-U

[stoic spruce]

You have sexo

I have rah :)

[jolly sierra]

rah

[harsh steppe]

how important is it to track my CP? since i should always be trying to only use my skills while on full cp, right?

[jolly sierra]

#FBI

jk u need to track them

u still use the combo points at 4 or 5 if is the case'

[harsh steppe]

so i'd never use cp3 or lower then?

[jolly sierra]

depends

u can recharge slice and dice w ur talents, right?

[harsh steppe]

yes

[jolly sierra]

then u can even use it with 1 point

[harsh steppe]

ok tysm

[jolly sierra]

np

i usually use snd w just 1 point

then i use echoing reorimand in assa

and refresh it to 45s

[harsh steppe]

oooo that's a good idea tyty

[minor cape]

there are rare occasions when you also need to urgently put rupture on a rogue

not for dam but so he cant stealth for long

[harsh steppe]

oh that's right tyty

[jolly sierra]

as assa can confirm

[harsh steppe]

lol yup

hate fighting sins lol

[jolly sierra]

when for example u have the guy in low hp and u can use those 3 points

to keep dots up and raising dmg and getting more energy

the latter 2 end points usually are used for finishers like evis

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-kylo-ren-i-know-what-i-have-to-do-i-know-what-i-must-do-adam-driver-gif-26011680

[jolly sierra]

@nova viper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mL_VL3lPNw

[thick slate]

Boys anyone still using the paracausal doomhammer trinket ?

i swear to god its so OP in duels atleast, a bit less in Solo shuffle but if you can do a good go with it, you can erase someone in 1 kidney

i was dueling this rogue, he got the opener and trinketed my blind offensively to kill me, however i erased him in 1 cheap shot go because apparently i did over 600k dmg in the span of 3 seconds

im having a blast with this trinket

Secret technique with this trinket is a nasty burst of damage since its off gcd

[minor cape]

shouldnt it be nerfed

in pvp

also it's 402 ilvl

no way it's more dam overall than normal agi on press trinket

but i haven't tried and if it's hidden ohpee i want that

aaaah wait, it's the new one, mixed it up w some older one, then i want to know too

[thick slate]

I recommend you to try it. it goes so well with sub's playstyle as you can easily 100-0 someone if they dont react to it

[minor cape]

that's cool

gonna try

[harsh steppe]

how do you guys tell quickly who is your focus target if there is more than one of the same class
i have my focus as the holy here

[fading blade]

I would not use that trinket in SS, lose to much main stat, trinket bonus and such.

Unless you’re in the lower elo bracket then yolo

[surreal barn]

Well one of those is a holy, what do you mean

[harsh steppe]

so i have my focus target as holy, but when i look in field, i don't know which one is holy

[fading blade]

Just play more games and you’ll get more comfortable and notice which is which

[surreal barn]

So personally when I have a focus target I still continue to look at the Gladys/sarena frames

[harsh steppe]

is there an easier way? been playing for years & still can't tell

[fading blade]

You can tell by their positioning and the W key ref

[harsh steppe]

wym

[fading blade]

I use plater(I pve a lot) and I have the focus hp bar with stripes on it, but even with that I still can tell who’s the healer by their names/positioning

[harsh steppe]

hmm i was hoping not to use anymore addons but ig i can try plater,t y

[fading blade]

Well you don’t need it, just need to be more aware of who is who

[harsh steppe]

i can't, i'm really bad
but ill try plater

[fading blade]

I wouldn’t say you’re bad, just not used to it

I always put healer on focus and pretty much just tab target/click psyfiends and such

[elder vault]

hi, where can I find the meta talents fro sub rogue?

[fading blade]

There’s many, many builds. But you can check Murlok.io for the most common sub build

[elder vault]

ty

[dapper chasm]

Has anyone gotten the spammable sap macro working?

Mine sticky targets instead of changing as I move about

[harsh steppe]

yeah mine works fine

[dapper chasm]

Mine is part of my of my Stealth and Evis bind

#showtooltip
/stopattack [stance:1/3]
/cleartarget [stance:1/3]
/targetenemy [noharm][dead][stance:1/3]
/cast [stance:0/2] Eviscerate
/cast [stance:1/3] Sap
/cast [stance:0] Eviscerate
/cast [stance:0] !Stealth

Used to work great, still does, but sticky targets

[harsh steppe]

i smine

[dapper chasm]

That's not a spammable sap

The point of spammable sap is to catch out stealthers

[harsh steppe]

it is, i use it

[dapper chasm]

That just casts stealth and then sap, you have to target a stealther

[gleaming pawn]

#showtooltip Sap
/targetenemyplayer
/cast Sap
/cleartarget

it won't target them in the UI because it's clearing the target so fast, which is annoying, but it will sap a stealthie as you spam it

[dapper chasm]

Mah man

#showtooltip
/stopattack [stance:1/3]
/targetenemy [noharm][dead][stance:1/3]
/cast [stance:0/2] Eviscerate
/cast [stance:1/3] Sap
/cleartarget [stance:1/3]
/cast [stance:0] Eviscerate
/cast [stance:0] !Stealth

I changed the order

It works, wonderful

I have a seperate bind for sapping target/focus, so it not targeting is fine

[harsh steppe]

#showtooltip Sap
/cancelaura [nocombat] Shadow Dance
/targetenemyplayer
/cast Sap
/cleartarget

will this work too?

[dapper chasm]

Should do

If you ignore thee rest of my macro, it's essentially what it is

[harsh steppe]

and this?

#showtooltip Sap
/cast !Stealth
/targetenemyplayer
/cast Sap
/cleartarget

[dapper chasm]

Even better

[harsh steppe]

jesus christ, so for the past year i've been using a fucked up macro, that explains a lot

ok tysm

[dapper chasm]

Thank Seijuro

Hard to get info here

[harsh steppe]

idk what the cancelaura is for, i copied it from pika's google drive link i think