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whole raven
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bargan worth it? - the 10% damage loss isnt something i luv

last jasper
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worth

whole raven
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bargain*

jolly sierra
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i trolled an evoker yesterday with dfa

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i was cceing all his dragonrage and chasing him w bfa

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did like 2.2m vs my 4m in the entire match

last jasper
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evokers with their fly shit is kinda annoying ngl

wary spire
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What the hell you do with aug tho? Do you focus it or it's buff target?

tawny kestrel
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u can kill it

inner tartan
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double tank trinket for idiots like me

surreal barn
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You can oom them too lol

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Found that out in a long boring match

jolly sierra
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or troll them with ccs like i did with my last lizard

surreal barn
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Boomie Aug Hpal though

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That is a shitshow

spring bough
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this doomhammer trinket funny w outlaw. doing 250k on the pvp dummy lol

jolly sierra
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pls record ur duel

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i wanna see that fight

stoic spruce
jolly sierra
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u are very fat fatty

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so i can confirm

stoic spruce
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WOW

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rood

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:C

jolly sierra
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ME ANGYR

spring bough
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cast this trinket twice in one round and the one ability did 294k and the other 253k but idt this thing worth using at all lmao

jolly sierra
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i was playing with my monk

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and had a sub making time in stealth

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so i summoned xuen, petattacked the rog when i had the eye buff and used tiger lust on him

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funny af to see

surreal barn
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It did 210k in the duel

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I did

jolly sierra
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against wellinth?

surreal barn
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Nah some rando

jolly sierra
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ah

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i had a 2k1 guy doing 47k sectec in a skirmish

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xdd

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his highest gloomblade did 21k

surreal barn
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Might be drunk

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Forgot to put gear on

jolly sierra
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eksdee

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2 assas

how unusual

jolly bear
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so I have a question, if a slow is a slow, and a root stops you from moving completely, wtf is a snare?

jolly sierra
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got killed xd

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the sham didn't used spirit link

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crippling poison is a snare

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Wowpedia

Snare effects are a form of crowd control that reduce a victim's movement speed, preventing them from effectively maneuvering in combat. There are 2 types of snares: area-based snares, such as [Ice Trap] or [Earthbind Totem], and debuff-based snares (also called Slows), such as [Crippling Poison] or [Piercing Howl].
Snares can be most usefu...

stoic spruce
stoic spruce
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playing outlaw is troll enough, might as well go all in

jolly sierra
stoic spruce
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And the "random enemy minion" is an Applebee's

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And "Destroy" is me getting kicked out of said Applebee's

spring bough
magic schooner
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am I crazy or does sub feel terrible in pvp rn?

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(solo/arenas)

last jasper
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It’s not. U just can’t face roll and do 100-0

languid ravine
hidden dome
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Man that set looks good on outlaw

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Finally got 1.8 on my mains. Now I just need the snail mount and the weapon enchant

marble oasis
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bruh what is augmentation!

wary spire
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Jesus, the hpala players are defending hpala the same way they did ret. "You were just used to it being dogwater!" "Learn to play around it!" "Well MISTWEAVER was good the whole expansion and NOBODY complained!"

wary spire
limber birch
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Anyone here using arena123 macros for everything? I've been doing pvp on other classes for years never using focus macro binds, but now once I tried rogue I just dont have enough binds for it anymore lol

nova viper
nova viper
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Im heal

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at 2200

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when im never be here on my rogue main xD

jolly sierra
thick slate
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is sub as bad in shuffle as ppl claim it to be ?

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nahj was omega crying today on stream

languid ravine
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no clue havent played it in weeks

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imo everything that doesnt have some form of setup/oneshot feels shit right now

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and those probably feel shit too

languid ravine
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yes but is it enough or do you regret playing sub is the question

surreal barn
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It’s not bad, not easy either

thick slate
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i havent properly tried sub in pvp yet

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but, im having too much fun with the doomhammer paracausal trinket

surreal barn
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I’m only at 2k I can only imagine if you’re better it gets easier

languid ravine
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why do I know the name of the trinket???

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dont askl

thick slate
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drest felt so satisfying to press though xD

topaz cedar
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graph of nahj for reference

thick slate
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reference to what

topaz cedar
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reference for him raging

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or crying

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or w/e

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he seems stable rating despite mmr increases, whereas other top rogues are going up

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it might just be that as meta changes he can't adjust as well

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but at same time he's not tanking

thick slate
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Good observation

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he was talking about how bad hpal meta was into sub

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and every game had an hpal

languid ravine
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its even worse for DH or Warri imo

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its like you are useless

thick slate
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dh can purge bops

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and dmg through

topaz cedar
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pika's graph seems fine

thick slate
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yeah pika's doing quite well in shuff

topaz cedar
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sub is also the 2nd highest r1 cutoff, just behind ww monk

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2616 to 2621

languid ravine
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whats cutoff? floor-ceiling range or just floor height?

thick slate
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that al ot of ppl made it to 2.6+ ?

topaz cedar
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It means that the top 0.1%'s floor rating of sub players are rated higher than all other melee

languid ravine
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so it is floor height

topaz cedar
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yes but i mean thats obv

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its cutoff

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obviously its r1 floor

languid ravine
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Its obvious if you have a dictionary (maybe)

topaz cedar
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oh right i see what you mean

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cutoff is used to describe the boundary at which you enter / exit r1 range

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if you're below cutoff, no title

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I think sub rogue is very strong, it's just that just being a historically top sub rogue isn't enough to have top ratings you have to also adapt to the current meta well and thats where nahj is struggling

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idk maybe its also his ptsd kicking in from actually playing post-april season 1 sub

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thats gotta break a man

last jasper
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aug is kinda insane. Blue gear with 1 crafted lmao

thick slate
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im getting

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too used to doomhammer trinket

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this is too toxic

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ill be so bad when its nerfed

jolly sierra
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what about the timestrike dagger?

exotic dove
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Timestrike Dagger?

languid ravine
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Team, how does the macro go for using spells @ my allies?
does this work [nomod, atarena1]? I m thinking this is enemy though

exotic dove
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I use an addon called Dynamic Macros (think thats the right one) pretty easy to set up but you can put something for healer role and another dps ally role and you never have to adjust it when you play with someone else like changing names. I found it pretty easy to set up and directions were good. Got it from curseforge @languid ravine

keen dune
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I hit 2K and fell back to 1920 in two games

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I am close

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I can feel it

languid ravine
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yeah, close to 1800 :^)

languid ravine
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any profilers in chat? what causes a human to go haywire and decide to grind many many hundreds of Honor Rank in premade random bgs?

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Because it sure as shit ain't the unicorn mounts

pale storm
jolly sierra
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i would record my own if my computer endures better the stuff

spring bough
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aug evokers so broke

jolly sierra
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is this a rant or news?

stoic spruce
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A rant that blizz will notice and it will turn into news

jolly sierra
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i see

north jackal
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What race is better for open world pvp night elf oe orc

jolly sierra
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pandaren

final vessel
north jackal
final vessel
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Orc

long shore
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Hey guys, does anyone know of a working addon to show combat status of your enemy? Like to see whether they are in combat so I can sap?

sharp sierra
minor cape
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but no for real, those mogs that are shown in the article are ugly as hell, this i can understand

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but like, his solution is a cosmetics shop

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lol

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instead of just making better mogs that are available by gameplay

torpid flame
thick slate
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so sub is kinda weird in shuffle right now. would outlaw or assa be good in your opinion?

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outlaw makes the most sense for shuffle since its a zug spec

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and requires little to no setup

torpid flame
thick slate
wary spire
twin burrow
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If u want to zug as sub vanish twice in the opener and never stop pumping

thick slate
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like you cant maintain bleeds and if you do a deathmark go it gets bopped

thick slate
wary spire
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I tried that! Without bargain and all. I do my go, waste everything and they are like at 70% and my next sd is in 20 seconds.

wary spire
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I kidney Pala whey they have no trink, use burst and hope for the best.

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Bomb/kidney target if healers too slippery.

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Buy usually yeah just zug zug the kill target.

thick slate
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i think into higher mmr people can counter you quite easily as assa

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hence why you dont see the spec being played

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because its literally 1 button that denies your whole go

wary spire
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Yeah of course. I'm not saying assa is good. It's just that constant pressure of bleeds+shiv is easier to manage than sub's whole setup thingy.

torpid flame
dense harness
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You dont need deathmark to kill ppl tho

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Enough pressure with shiv

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If your team mate cooperates

thick slate
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Ill give assa a few tries in skirms/duels, get a feel of the spec

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But thats the thing

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Sub has different stats than assa

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Sub favors versa mastery while assa goes for haste vers

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That’s kinda annoying

wary spire
minor cape
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y

wary spire
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It favors haste over crit, but that's about it.

minor cape
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all specs rn are mastery

thick slate
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amazing, so ill be fine if i just swap specs

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and lastly, does assa play 4 set or is it 2 set like sub ?

topaz cedar
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i mean after the initial nerfs some ppl were still playing assa in awc even, and you just see them hold deathmark all game, the kit can still get pressure without it, and if you ever happen to pressure them enough to get the bleed cleanse out then you can deathmark but you might not and thats fine

thick slate
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does it fare well with shuffle's nature where its so fast paced and zugzugy ?

topaz cedar
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its definitely capable, its just not boomie etc

wary spire
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It's not outlaw and that's a big advantage.

topaz cedar
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give back ranged kidney smh,,

potent pivot
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Yes

wary spire
topaz cedar
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Honestly if i could change 1 thing about killing spree id just give it the old edgy animation bc i miss it

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altho when i play outlaw i play dreadblades anyway

wary spire
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Dread blades are a double edged sword tho.

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Pun intended.

topaz cedar
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yea i just find it more fun to have that window of higher pressure than the worlds strangest 20% or w/e wall

stoic spruce
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That can also kill you if you're unlucky enough

topaz cedar
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get that ex-waste of pvp talent offa my screen!!

stoic spruce
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Silence harlot

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Your disrespect is sickening

topaz cedar
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you see the abom parts in acherus?

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i did that

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its gordy

stoic spruce
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I will build him back stronger

topaz cedar
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sorry cant hear u i turned the abom blender on

twin burrow
thick slate
jolly sierra
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popo vs pvp thread

stoic spruce
languid ravine
stoic spruce
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I will build him bigger, faster, stronger.

languid ravine
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stop gaslighting people

twin burrow
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play the reduced SS cooldown pvp talent and sub talent and have fun resetting

languid ravine
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its the two points before The Rotten capstone on the bottom left side

twin burrow
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no

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what are u guys smoking this early in the morning

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pass that ish

languid ravine
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okay there are like what, 10 pvp talents? use your eyes at this point

twin burrow
stoic spruce
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Stay awake all night cigarettes

twin burrow
languid ravine
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oh thats not a pvp talent, its a spec talent

twin burrow
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i said what i said

jolly sierra
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im waiting for racials being disabled

twin burrow
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ones a sub talent one is a pvp

jolly sierra
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so u fkn night elves got fucked once per all

twin burrow
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were not any one race, we have money to be any race

thick slate
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yall so high right now

twin burrow
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fotm take my money

languid ravine
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imagine typing out shadowstep and confusing 0 people in the world

twin burrow
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i 100% am high

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but ill act like im not

thick slate
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man comes and asks for the best zugzug tactic as rogue

twin burrow
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vanish twice in opener

thick slate
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discord tells man to focus on shadowstep talent

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man confused

twin burrow
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i told u to vanish twice in the opener first

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and u said u wont live

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so u expalined SS

thick slate
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no

twin burrow
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as a reset

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ok im muting him

thick slate
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i said i wont do dmg if THEY live

twin burrow
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yikes

thick slate
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Is this guy usually this toxic or what did i say that tilted him lol

languid ravine
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SS = Solo shuffle? shadow strike? Shurikenstorm?

twin burrow
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shadowstep

thick slate
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he wasnt even clear to begin with

twin burrow
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it predates all of thoe abilities

minor cape
twin burrow
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yeah its a secret to everybody

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its actually sectec

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if i say you SS out to your healer to reset use the context XD

thick slate
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big yikes

twin burrow
thick slate
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Anyways, for the lads that helped me by suggesting assa and the stuff i can do on it, thank you

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i actually enjoy this discord

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but this guy's something else lol

languid ravine
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ooooooh there is a PvP talent that causes Shadowstep CDR

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I forgot about "Silhouette" because it was bugged for 2 years

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sorry bro

languid ravine
stoic spruce
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Blizz is funny like that

twin burrow
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no need to appleguys rogue brother

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we are all just trying to hone our skills

wary spire
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What's your current rank hyper?

harsh steppe
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1350 😦

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wbu

jolly sierra
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just lost a blocc fight F

wary spire
surreal barn
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You all see that raid full of augvokers lol

wary spire
surreal barn
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I think they were downing raid bosses in like 15 seconds or some shit

topaz cedar
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edaniel

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what did u do

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i have no idea how you did it

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but im not surprised it was you that it happened to,,,

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eating your own text,,

wary spire
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I'm crunching the numbers!

jolly sierra
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his numbers rot

harsh steppe
wary spire
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Then perish.

stoic spruce
fathom dew
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Hit 1900 in 2s for the first time this season does that make me cool (pls say yes)

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Do I have a better chance of getting 2.1 in solo? Climbing in 2s seems rough at least as sub

fathom dew
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Thanks I needed that

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I wish blizz cared more about 2s seems like it’s a forgotten bracket. Maybe I’m the outlier since I enjoy it more than SS

stoic spruce
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I think you and I are the only ones who care about 2s more than SS lol.

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People claim its a meme bracket but take it wayyyy too serious to call it a meme.

wary spire
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I like it. I only dislike how people are leaving after the first loss.

fathom dew
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I hear you. I’m fortunate to have a friend that enjoys it just as much and plays a class that’s viable with sub. Part of the fun is strategizing over comms which in solo you just zug and hope your teammates don’t ruin your DRs

stoic spruce
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And you don't have to wait 30 minutes to queue into specs that hard counter you

fathom dew
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Also a huge reason

shut solstice
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Shadowflame wreathe now has a .45 pvp modifier

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Incase anyone uses it

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Dead enchant

last jasper
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I loved 2s as well. Before ss. Cuz I don’t need to sit in lfg for 30 min to find a guy who leaves after first lose to get back into lfg again

wary spire
shut solstice
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Annoying

minor cape
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for 45 minutes

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every game

last jasper
minor cape
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for real?

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damn

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got to return

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to ss

last jasper
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Yea. I’ve manage to farm 1.7 on my dk and aug voker in a last 2 days. Just constantly flying ss

minor cape
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i was around there, gotta hit that 1.8

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before healers stop playing again

last jasper
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If u manage to survive dks, augs and mages

topaz cedar
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just kill the dks 😎

languid ravine
gleaming pawn
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They are also 0.45 pvp modifier

languid ravine
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so you just take stun boots and sophic devotion for everything

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fun detected

gleaming pawn
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Yeah pretty fucking boring

languid ravine
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although stun boots > random proc boots at least

gleaming pawn
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But I guess that allows you to easily take spore cloak so you’ll live for another second or so

languid ravine
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wait I m not mixing up shadowflame embellishment with enchant or am I?

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nope okay

shut solstice
surreal barn
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Hpal nerf

marble oasis
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Thank god for that!
Now to tune down boomy

surreal barn
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They livid over in the Paladin discord

chrome schooner
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It's too good ?

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Ok, nerf from -25% to -60%

surreal barn
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They’ll still be good

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Doesn’t look like Denounce got touched at all

topaz cedar
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is there a place to go for this

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all i could find was the hotfixes a few days ago on the wow news tab

stoic spruce
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dont say I dont do anything for you

marble oasis
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You don't do anything for ME

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:p

stoic spruce
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yes I do

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I spare you my hot takes

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ezpz

marble oasis
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but what if i like them?

stoic spruce
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uhhhhhhhno

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impossible

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try this one on for size

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I think tanks should be reworked in pvp because they have some of the coolest pvp talents and prot warrior has the most fun gameplay loop

marble oasis
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So, i agree with that xD

just need tuning while in pvp to be done properly

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i miss gladstance Sadge

stoic spruce
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damn

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this one is strong

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heres another

queen geyser
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I'm putting this on r/chonkers

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/s

stoic spruce
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Current elite sets are no longer prestigious and should be able to be bought with MoH when the next expac comes

stoic spruce
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no bawls

queen geyser
stoic spruce
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explains your excess of testosterone

marble oasis
stoic spruce
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wtf

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I gotta bring out the big guns

queen geyser
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Speaking of transmog, check it

stoic spruce
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thats sick

queen geyser
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Thought it would go good with this sword/enchant combo

stoic spruce
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oh I got a hot take actually

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I dont think RtB should be removed. I think it should just never give singular buffs

stoic spruce
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2 at the minimum

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I mean at all times

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ya goof

queen geyser
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If I have decent uptime, I rarely have to roll for singles

marble oasis
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ye na. just delete outlaw bring back weapons specialization combat. /nod

queen geyser
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Plus Guile and Killing Spree

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Focus on the sword and pistol thing

marble oasis
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give only rogues mace stun Nods

stoic spruce
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Pirate is cool and and seadog-pilled

queen geyser
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Quite

stoic spruce
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remove slice and dice

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idt thats a hot take

queen geyser
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MMMMMMMM

stoic spruce
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its just what I want

queen geyser
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Yeah

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Make it not cost a global

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Or

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Make it passive

stoic spruce
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Slice and Dice is passive and is granted by default at level 42

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fixed

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gg go next

queen geyser
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And Blade Flurry is a toggle again

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Bam

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Outlaw saved

marble oasis
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honestly i don't know why slice is a thing anymore. now they've made auto attack damage so weak

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plus it doesn't benefit from anything anymore like it used to.

queen geyser
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Also classic Rogue ability so

stoic spruce
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bring back BtE stun

queen geyser
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Also more main gauche swings

marble oasis
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FoK Silence

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gief

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totally balanced honest

stoic spruce
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I miss bfa outlaw

queen geyser
stoic spruce
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a stun as your rotation?

queen geyser
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Spec is fucked anyway so why not lol

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(I do like how Kidney and BTE are separate today tho)

stoic spruce
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I had a dream one time that outlaw could wield 2h weapons

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it was cool

surreal barn
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Surprised no Aug tunes monkahmm

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Guess they still have time

jolly sierra
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yeah that is the weirdest thing

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or ray of frost nerfs

austere thorn
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But no...better buff boomkins I guess

acoustic junco
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It should have stayed range bte kidney and the current debuff one should have been expose armor or something else.

Bte should have never been a damage rotation priority and that was the biggest mistake

spring bough
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tryna get the 1k honor in arena skirmishes and not get mad is impossible lol

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get in like hey hunter we going to smash these two and the guy just runs into the wall and gets deleted lol

gleaming pawn
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yes, skirms are pure rage bait

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no other reason they still exist

surreal barn
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I usually just queue w a rogue

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And double dominate

last jasper
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I never treat skirmishes as something serious. It’s mostly designed for new players

spring bough
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just tryna bang out this quest fast but i just gotta accept that isnt happening lol

spring bough
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lmao found a lock we won he pops the reque, we win 4 straight, i get popped from stealth on our 5th and he leaves

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next game hes on oppo team and just gets deleted ohhhh feels so good lol

pale storm
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I love skirms lol love a good 1v1 or 2v1

spring bough
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switched it up to sub for a bit lol

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229k secret tech on a lock w dark brew build lmfao

bleak slate
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Are any of you other assassination rogues strugilling since 10.1.5 came out?

jolly sierra
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i went to 2s

tender ferry
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I tried a kingsbane/sepsis build at around 2k mmr in Solo Shuffle and went 5-1. Wasn’t bad

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Gives me more pressure after my death mark inevitably gets removed

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Kingsbane low key pumps hard as shit

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Especially if you use it after deathmark and have the 4pc buff

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Probably just a fluke, though. I am opening up more to amplifying poison + deadly poison and just skipping wound since we have the shiv talent

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Pump more deeps

spring bough
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wound poison KBs >>

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1700 big crits lol

jolly sierra
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ehhh guys

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how many keys are to get an aspect crest?

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4 +16 in time?

spring bough
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5 of them you get 12 per in time and 5 out. need 60 of the small to make the 4 u need for crafting

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just gotta find some good groups to get them in time cause itll take forever if not lol

languid ravine
spring bough
jolly sierra
languid ravine
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man I d rather sit in Queue forever than play M+

jolly sierra
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that fkn dagger looks way too far away

spring bough
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what one is that

surreal barn
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Throw gold at it and goof off

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What else are we gonna use it on

jolly sierra
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a 447 crafted one with fang embellisment

surreal barn
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Just get ran for golds ezpz

spring bough
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prob take a few hours of farming if u dont wanna spend gold on runs lol

jolly sierra
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gotcha gotcha

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btw naxx gives tons of gold now

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give a try

spring bough
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i gotta unlock it still lol

jolly sierra
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dude do it

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u won't regret it

nova viper
jolly sierra
nova viper
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XD

jolly sierra
jolly bear
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what's better gloomblade + premed or backstab + quick decisions? and first dance or master of shadows?

jolly bear
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WE GETTIN SOMEWHERE BOYS

jolly sierra
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gratz keep going

jolly bear
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im trying lol

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as long as I keep getting decent queue times I will keep playing

jolly bear
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got my first rage whisper <3

jolly sierra
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thought u were experienced enough for that lol

jolly bear
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this is the first time ive bothered being consistent with ss bc the queue times dont make me wanna bathe with a toaster anymore

jolly sierra
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ah i see

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lol

jolly bear
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yeah not sure what happened but I'm really glad it's not 40 mins+ per queue

jolly sierra
#

at least

#

sometimes i had 1h queues

jolly bear
#

yeah no I'd rather just not play at that point

gleaming pawn
#

god I hate SS. Either people are botting or every hunter and warrior have stun X macros they are literally mashing until I open. Kidney Shot the target > within a half second of my stealth drop I am stunned. Without fail

jolly sierra
#

or just tab stun u

#

lol

tropic mason
#

hows aug doing in pvp

jolly sierra
#

got a rog in a skirmish 3s

#

the guy was full pve geared

#

with no pvp trinkets xdd

minor cape
#

and farming dam

#

😩

jolly sierra
#

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

wary spire
#

Sometimes when I do the skrimish quest I go to a dungeon by mistake. starege

jolly sierra
#

wtf

#

finally did the fkn weekly

minor cape
#

the tank is going to leave in 2 min

#

not a lot of time wasted

tawdry remnant
#

rogue gang help me out here im at a loss, in world pvp, im in stealth nowhere near nay flares or pets, a hunter stands in the middle of nowhere but all of a sudden he hunters marks me in stealth and unloads all his abilities on me. Is this some sort of exploit or bug, are they using a toy or something to see me and target me while in stealth, ive searched everywhere online and nobody seems to have an answer for this but its been happening for literal months

#

any insight would be appreciated as im pretty sure these hunters are doing something exploitive because its the same people every single time, but its just so ridiculous that world pvp isnt even fun against these guys

digital hare
tawdry remnant
#

no way dude i was just looking at this

#

i saw a shaman also using this thing and he happened to target me while using it i was literally looking at this on wowhead lol

#

cant believe they would allow this to still work in game

digital hare
tawdry remnant
#

from what im seeing people are also using this in bg's, rated or not who can tell but ive always thought toys should be disabled in such cases, who knows, this just made wpvp not fun for me at all because you stand no chance against a group of 4 hunters, constantly using this

wary spire
#

I have this toy, it's very clunky to use.

wary spire
#

Like they have to be very dedicated to use it in open world.

#

Bgs - yeah it's a lil cheesy, but bgs are cheese in general.

tawdry remnant
tawdry remnant
last jasper
#

Who were asking about ray of frost

#

No boomy tho 😂

twin burrow
#

Brother you are like 15 years or more late to world pvp. It died.

thick slate
#

Man i wanna be good at sub rogue ffs

#

What guides can i watch

#

What ressources can i check

#

Im 2.6 exp on my ww and im familiar with doing goes since SL ww gameplay was all about doing goes every 1 min

#

But it feels so different on sub

#

Mainly inbetween every dance and secret tec since that’s the only time i feel like i do dmg

wary spire
last jasper
languid ravine
#

those mage nerfs dont seem very signifcant, well at least for frost

last jasper
#

lol. 10% from subzero is enough. Straight -10% burst dam

surreal barn
#

Ngl I liked seeing a frosty absolutely manhandle warriors like no one’s business

#

If they didn’t nerf they might as well be giving out diaper xmogs to warriors

wary spire
#

Warrior privilege smh.

topaz cedar
#

are people pretending warr is top tier now

#

i keep seeing people unironically complaining about warr in other servers

#

at least here ppl dont seem to think that

surreal barn
#

Nope I just enjoy watching them get slaughtered

#

Is that so bad

potent pivot
#

Playstyle depends slightly depending on which bracket etc

untold remnant
#

Prot warrior is running rampant. It apparently has some mortal strike effect too and it does more damage then unholy DK

surreal barn
#

wut

restive nest
#

For 2s with a druid which would be the better comp currently, sub/bala or assa/resto? Maybe another combination?

pale storm
#

Sub/balance should be pretty strong

stoic spruce
#

Outlaw should be strong too

wary spire
#

Should RHsad

harsh steppe
#

should

jolly sierra
#

should

languid ravine
#

ShOuUlD

stoic spruce
#

Should dracthyr_cry

fathom dew
#

Anyone rocking spore cloak? Is it worth?

jolly sierra
#

im using it and it worth

#

even assa players in murlok.io shifted to it lol

fathom dew
#

Seems better than 90%+ hp mastery buff but most sub rogues in 2s don’t really use according to Murlok

#

But I also play with a disc priest that plays dmg spec

jolly sierra
#

ah wait u are in sub

#

yeah, they are good enough surviving compared to assa

#

cuz double vanish and stuff like that

wise breach
#

Any NA folks online? Did we get Spoils of War back?

thick slate
#

does assa play 4 set or 2 set like sub ?

wary spire
#

4 set

trim onyx
#

Fuu!

jolly sierra
#

4set

queen geyser
fathom dew
jolly sierra
#

seems like guy was born for the spec kek

fathom dew
#

That’s pretty impressive. I peaked at 1.8k last season when it was better

languid ravine
#

Hitting a HolyPaladin as Outlaw feels like you are actively healing him

#

also 2set is a fucking joke lmao

#

1.5% what is this shit

steep loom
#

Only use 2 set on outlaw vs other rogues imo. If even then

languid ravine
#

oh god somehow I got 1800 mmr on my fresh shadow priest even though I suck ass every round

jolly sierra
#

lol

#

tried destro to try but im so bad than returned to demo

#

to scratch my balls more

languid ravine
#

destro really is the most pve spec isnt it

#

I mean demo

jolly sierra
#

seems like

languid ravine
#

Unholy is pretty close too

#

just press any of your 10 damage cooldowns

#

maybe dont kamikaze yourself and easy game

topaz cedar
languid ravine
#

sorry, just press your 10 damage cooldowns in order

#

there, happy?

topaz cedar
#

its just wrong

#

Unholy dk cooldowns do barely anything

#

empower rune weapon is 5% haste

#

etc

#

its weighted towards sustain damage and pressure

#

when its cds did stuff, it was one of the worst specs in the game and had no pressure + was made of paper

languid ravine
#

okay so you telling me, just press any of your buttons okay

topaz cedar
#

No

#

unholy dk is about getting pressure while being made of paper

#

squishiest class in the game

#

you also need to be actively disruptive to get any pressure

languid ravine
#

you need to actively try NOT to be disruptive

topaz cedar
#

Im not being disruptive im just interrupting the circlejerk you had with yourself, my bad

#

my league q popped so ill let u get back to it

languid ravine
#

man you take these opinions VERY personal dont you

topaz cedar
#

no i just find it tedious seeing all the opinions had by people who have clearly just not played the class they're talking about, see it about warrs, dks, rogues, etc, everyone likes to talk about specs they clearly dont know about lol

stoic spruce
#

It's not an opinion, what you said was just wrong lol

wary spire
#

Man hope they nerf tinkerer soon, way too op.

stoic spruce
#

Tinkerer?

wary spire
#

Yeah, insane burst and healing. That mech suit is so annoying to deal with too.

stoic spruce
#

Oh in league lol

#

I thought there was a new trinket in the dungeon

languid ravine
#

In my opinion Unholy DK is one of the most PvE Specs out there and what is the counterargument? that it is a pressure based spec? come on people

stoic spruce
#

How is it pve?

wary spire
stoic spruce
#

It no longer does sustain you can't face tank = pve?

topaz cedar
#

lol

#

but you shouldn't let your lack of both knowledge and experience stop you from being so confidently wrong

#

i admire the self assurance

restive hemlock
#

Just getting caught up with DF stuff. Can you have a max of 2 embellishments?

restive hemlock
#

Is there a limit to how many crafted pieces you can wear?

jolly sierra
#

no, only in embellisheds

restive hemlock
#

Does the rank of weapon enchant you buy matter or does it scale up in pvp?

surreal barn
#

Get 3 star enchants

gleaming pawn
#

if you have 2 enchants of the same rank, they can stack if they proc at the same time

#

otherwise, yes if you can afford it, get the 3 star. It's a lot of agi

jolly sierra
#

3 star matter cuz is better in stats

#

sophic devotion is the best tho

#

u can go w rank 2 but ideal at 3

restive hemlock
#

Appreciate it gents

jolly sierra
#

np

restive hemlock
#

Is tier upgrading the same as Slands? Like you have charges per week or w/e?

jolly sierra
#

yeah, but since this patch if u are returning u get all charges at once

restive hemlock
#

very nice ty

hard tundra
#

is outlaw good in 3s rn?

gleaming pawn
#

no

hard tundra
#

is the guy who is #6 in the world like a sub that logged out in outlaw?

hard tundra
#

Orcroguehaha

potent pivot
#

based on his SS ratings i would assume so, yeah

hard tundra
#

oh cool makes sense

potent pivot
#

ah that's Kalvish

restive hemlock
#

So when crafting Peripheral Vision Projectors, do you just have to get lucky with Mastery being the stat randomly chosen to get double mastery?

gleaming pawn
#

you use a special engineering addon to force the stat to be whatever you want when you craft it

lucid citrus
#

Anyone here tried Trill's sub build?

jolly sierra
#

im surprised spoils of war started that soon

#

we barely have 2 months of season

harsh steppe
#

gm fellow sneaky sneakies

dapper chasm
#

Are people going scalewarden on belt and wrist or crafted?

#

Once I get the gloves, I'm not sure where to go with it

harsh steppe
#

wrist, gloves, & belt

wary spire
#

Also a lot of people are rocking scalewarden mace.

dapper chasm
#

Should I go Engi helm and wrist?

#

I have the helm ready to go, haven't tried it yet

harsh steppe
#

i love my mace, just gotta transmog it to a sword

wary spire
#

Conquest claw is also an option.

#

Or join us, superior assa overlords.

dapper chasm
#

Back in my day, people were embarrassed to play ass

wary spire
#

They still are. They still are.

#

Regarding engi.

dapper chasm
#

It's a bit mysterious and vague

#

I wanted the crafted gloves for the bandage embellishment

wary spire
#

I think the main point is if you have a crafted neck you better off with regular crafted head. Engi head + conquest neck.

dapper chasm
#

I use lariat

#

No good for PvP?

wary spire
#

People are rocking boots+ring embels almost exclusively.

dapper chasm
#

Which ring embellish?

wary spire
#

Mastery above 90% hp. Forgot the name.

dapper chasm
#

Blue silk or some shit?

#

Seemed meh to me

wary spire
#

Ye

dapper chasm
#

I guess I'll get crafted belt and wrist and chuck it there

#

Now that conq cap is gone I can get a new neck easily

wary spire
#

Why you hatin on scalewarden.

wary spire
#

This is the way.

harsh steppe
dapper chasm
#

No-can-do, I use the superior teleport ring

#

I'm not fucking pooor

wary spire
wary spire
#

Yessh

#

Ay yo

#

Ur using vers gems and chants?

dapper chasm
#

I think so

#

I took a small 12 year break from the game, so I just freestyled it

wary spire
#

Mastery is bis.

dapper chasm
#

I thought it was Vers>Mastery

wary spire
#

Mastery on rings and mastery-vers on gems.

#

70/30 ones

dapper chasm
#

I'm using 4 vers/mastery gems and one agi/mastery

#

70 vers/ 33 mastery

#

I also made the world's best UI thanks to 40 minute queues

#

But I'm not sure what to do with that info

wary spire
#

Show ui

dapper chasm
#

I'm 84/38 for mastery/vers

wary spire
#

Does it look like it's form Gundam?

dapper chasm
#

Bit hard to share as it has so many animated parts

#

I'll post a video later

wary spire
#

Looks dope

dapper chasm
#

The icons are actually animated

#

That took ages

wary spire
#

I got persecuted when I posted my masterpiece tho.

dapper chasm
wary spire
dapper chasm
#

Oh, yeah, that's terrible

#

I can see you didn't even pixel perfect the icons

#

Inconsistent borders

#

Just a lack of... style

wary spire
#

It's a part of the aesthetic.

dapper chasm
#

When I hit Vanish my animated Vanish icon explodes with smoke

#

But I added 3d model layers to animate the actual icons

#

So Vanish kinda waves a bit with smoke, it's subtle

#

Stealth actually spins the yellow lines around

wary spire
#

Drop that wtf folder with a video, I'll try it out.

#

And improve it. Surebud

dapper chasm
#

No need, it's pretty much pure Weakauras

#

I can just link

wary spire
#

Ay do that.

dapper chasm
#

Did I mention actual shields that pop up to show how much shield you gotta get through?

wary spire
#

Holy shield!

dapper chasm
#

For the vanish icon, it pulses green if Vanish is active and I have no damage DoTs, blue if I have a DoT but Cloak is off CD and Cloak can remove it, orange if it's a physical DoT

#

Red for Vanish on CD

wary spire
#

How do you track your dots on the target tho?

dapper chasm
#

2 ways, target bufs and debuffs are on right of target frame, I have a multi-target tracker bar above (right of energy bar)

wary spire
#

Or sd charges. And when it's expires.

dapper chasm
wary spire
#

Das too far tho.

dapper chasm
#

Bars animate when abilities are pressed, but there is a tracker next to energy

wary spire
#

I'll add my vertical lines to it and it'll be perfect. starege

dapper chasm
#

Well, vert lines are used between the bars to track GCD

#

Semi transparent GCD bars that animate rainbows

wary spire
#

Rainbows! PiratePoggers

dapper chasm
#

This is with debuff bars showing

dapper chasm
wary spire
#

Do you plan to add sounds?

dapper chasm
#

The energy bar even has tiny swing trackers to the left/right which spark when a hit lands so you can track shadow techniques

dapper chasm
#

For combo points/energy cap/CDs popping

wary spire
#

Man.

dapper chasm
#

40 minute queues, dude

#

You should see the party/arena bars

wary spire
#

I should.

dapper chasm
#

I'll make a vid soonish

topaz cedar
#

mobile game UI

stoic spruce
#

So true bestie

stoic spruce
topaz cedar
#

i keep my UI nice and simple

#

I only have bartender and gladius

wary spire
topaz cedar
#

me when im joystick turning on my steam deck in 3v3

stoic spruce
#

Mine is elaborate and based

topaz cedar
#

ive already seen your UI smh

#

i like the popo! :D healthbar

stoic spruce
#

Yeah! :D

#

It's also my details nickname lol

topaz cedar
#

i just had an idea for a quality of life option i would fucking love

stoic spruce
#

Oh yeah?

topaz cedar
#

an option to have tab target the closest unit to the center of your screen

stoic spruce
#

Oooooo yeahhh

topaz cedar
#

that would go so hard honestly

stoic spruce
#

So true bestie

dapper chasm
topaz cedar
#

yea idk id find that visually distracting

stoic spruce
#

Yeah thats kinda crimbge bro

dapper chasm
#

It's OK to be wrong, it's how we grow

stoic spruce
#

You still super tiny then

#

Itty bitty

wanton breach
surreal barn
#

I like your vanish idea, I’d probably incorporate it into the bar myself though

dull plaza
#

Doing too much all of u tbh

#

u dont even need addons to get 2k

#

Saw a rogue with 2k solo shuffle games and still 1.6

topaz cedar
#

i mean you dont even need keybinds to hit 2k

#

but ppl are gonna set things up how they like

wicked ether
#

is there any spreadsheet or smth for bis for sub pvp

thick slate
#

hey guys which sub build is best for solo shuffle/zugzug playstyle ?

#

the rotten or darkbrew ?

potent pivot
potent pivot
potent pivot
stoic spruce
#

So Itty bitty

potent pivot
#

I’m not solely trying to single you out here as I’ve seen a couple others as well the past few days

#

But yours is the last comment I see atm

#

I’d rather not start handing out mutes, but I will

stoic spruce
#

Bro there's no way to take "itty bitty" as an insult lol

minor cape
#

Trickz is the only reason we haven't killed eachother for our gex settings

#

or the outlaw vs normal specs argument

potent pivot
stoic spruce
#

And we all secretly know that

harsh steppe
#

finally! woot!

surreal barn
wanton breach
#

gz, what rating is that?

harsh steppe
#

ty guys couldn't have done it w/o all yall's help aha
just 1400 kek

wanton breach
#

it's still an improvement Surebud

harsh steppe
#

1400 today, r1 tomorrow OMEGAKEKW

wary spire
#

We'll get that elite mog before season's end that's for sure.

harsh steppe
#

that'd be nice lol
what cr is that again

thick slate
#

1800

#

Man sub is so hard in shuffle for someone playing sub in pvp for the first time, its crazy 😂

#

Im 1686 but its like rng if i go 5-1 or 0-6 lol

harsh steppe
#

oh that's not too bad hmm
i really want the illusion more than the mog tbh, but i think that's 2100 or so
a rogue can dream

thick slate
#

Im 2050 on my ww so hopefully i should get it soon

#

Unless i tank and its tilt road from there 😂

harsh steppe
#

oh damn nice!

thick slate
#

But its infinitely easier as ww

#

You press W all game

#

Not worrying about setups or ccs

#

Or running to live

harsh steppe
topaz cedar
#

i mean ww is easier to kill than sub

#

its definitely easier to get good output playing as ww though

pale storm
#

double rogue with me to 1800 hyper my boy ❤️

harsh steppe
#

let's do eeeeeeeeeet

languid ravine
#

weekly brawl: wait 30 mins for a 7v10
small indie company does it again! game of the year 20 years in a row

dapper chasm
dapper chasm
jolly sierra
#

finally im getting up from the bed and turn on the laptop

#

i wanna enchant the plain boots ive ordered asap to use my daggers

dapper chasm
surreal barn
#

I just got it HANDED to me in shuffle

wary spire
#

Do share!

dapper chasm
# wary spire

You like the helmet theme? That's bone. Notice the exuberant pop of colours unrestrained by the bitrate. Everything wrapped in consistent design - the borders, the tasteful thickness of them. Oh, my God, it even has a watermark

light estuary
topaz cedar
#

NORMAL BOOTS

jolly sierra
topaz cedar
#

no, bad

jolly sierra
#

im using this with fang embellishment now in OH

#

the problem is i cant test it cuz i never got a partner in skirmish so i play alone REEEEEEEEEEEEE

#

3 in a row

#

did an UH dk run away

#

is that enough? kek

#

liked the dagger dmg

#

not bad

surreal barn
#

Do you have two now?

#

Is it true the proc is only auto attacks and not dots

topaz cedar
#

i just have mastery instead :(

dapper chasm
jolly sierra
jolly sierra
surreal barn
#

Amazing

jolly sierra
#

and i can only use 1 embellished

#

wtf SS popped insta

surreal barn
#

Cause yer assa

jolly sierra
#

not bad for the SS round

#

that is the embellish

surreal barn
#

Even sub pops 7 mins now

#

With only one that’s nuts

jolly sierra
#

second round

#

yeah wtf

surreal barn
#

Legit man

#

Did you swap enchants since the shadowflame got nerfed

jolly sierra
#

yeah

#

i did

#

got deleted by a ray of frost

#

in the last one

surreal barn
#

Lol I had a mage cast Ray and just run right under the blades edge bridge since it would still channel

#

Not cool man 😂

jolly sierra
#

XD

#

dropped 20 cr

#

for a fkn chicken killing me with 100k starsurges and 150k full moons

surreal barn
#

Yer lucky if your full moons were only 150k

jolly sierra
#

they were weaker in 10.1.5 tho

#

now got the balance in the batch being zugzug ganbanged

jolly sierra
#

got into a nice match w my warr

#

then a ret which lose 3 times in a row and leaves

#

lol

#

dude use the fkn bop w ur comps

surreal barn
#

Rip

#

This ret in mine just went 6-0

jolly sierra
#

lol

surreal barn
#

81k dps average

jolly sierra
#

clear diference

surreal barn
#

Just mowing everyone over

jolly sierra
#

w the rog ended tanking hard after the 1st win

#

so i stopped

#

is still not time for assa

surreal barn
#

I’ve vs some scary assa rogues

jolly sierra
#

yeah, depends of matchs

#

but if a fkn drood deletes me with full moons

#

and then the guy in my team got deleted by 2 zugzug melees

#

better try later

surreal barn
#

It is so much zug at 1950 right now all the casters must have moved up in rating

#

😂

jolly sierra
#

seems like

#

anyways i'll try to push w ret tho

#

my goal was to reach 1k8 w every char without elite set and then think in who will use to push

languid ravine
#

anyone else get too few chests from 3-3 or 4-2? I m still 0 fragments after 5 of those

#

so cringe already bought mats for two items gollUMM

jolly sierra
#

fkn hate lua errors

#

now i reloaded cuz i was key stuck and was dced

#

returned, lose 2 rounds

#

the undergeared drood called me noob

then he picks shadow sight, i kill him and tell him "shadow sight KEK"

#

hope this time i don't get addon stuck

stoic spruce
#

"Nice throw idiot" :(

jolly sierra
#

trickz is watching u care

stoic spruce
#

No I'm implying that's what someone said to meeeeee

jolly sierra
#

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

stoic spruce
#

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

jolly sierra
wary spire
#

Sans

jolly sierra
#

sans

#

recovered the last loss

#

gg im done

languid ravine
#

I played different levels of bad in most of these rounds xd
but I kept getting lucky lobbies, so guess I ll take it

#

that DK set is quite something

jolly sierra
#

i need to go there now i don't need to cap anymore

languid ravine
#

yeah feels great to finally be free

#

now that Outlaw is great I can finally put some gear on it

#

...oh wait

gleaming pawn
#

you'll not see the LUA errors anymore

#

and even when one does pop, it gets grabbed by the addon and doesn't fuck your UI

surreal barn
#

Anyone ever seen a lock bot in shuffle

#

Dude even glitched a kick from stealth, free precog

gleaming pawn
#

oh and so y'all aren't losing your minds like I was when I first installed it. When you hear a high pitched voice saying Fatality. That's the bug addons grabbing the error. You'll see the green bag icon on your mini map turn from green to red

jolly sierra
#

and one of them didn't stopped doing sounds

gleaming pawn
#

if the sounds are constant then you have a lot of bad addons lol

jolly sierra
#

bah

gleaming pawn
#

I've been using these two addons since DF launched, and stopped having to reload my UI, stopped seeing the errors, etc

jolly sierra
#

that didn't happened in bfa

#

installed it again

#

and silenced the shit out

light estuary
# dapper chasm Weakauras and time

is there a way to share your WA? i think the vanish one is interesting - wondering how you were able to determine whether or not you have dots while vanished

dapper chasm
#

I'll share the code, but I doubt you have my border textures/ fonts, so you will need to set it up a bit

dapper chasm
jolly sierra
dapper chasm
#

There, I called it "Vanisher" in honour of the addon from back in my day

jolly sierra
ocean bison
#

how can I disable this?

dapper chasm
#

Oh, I have some conditionals to move it up when I have targetoftarget so it doesn't clip

#

Might wana get rid of that

jolly sierra
#

love how this enchants does look in 1h axes

#

the pvp illusion from s1

#

looks nice in thunderfury too

north jackal
#

Dwarf or undead or female orc for world pvp in classic ??

unkempt vine
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Undead, obviously.

nova viper
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but orc is terrible

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female nelf is bis

nova viper
jolly sierra
minor cape
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pretty sure nelf not bis

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in classic

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cause meld doesn't work in combat

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not sure tho