pvp

[minor cape]

how are we feeling about crafted head?

[surreal barn]

Which one

I got both lol

[minor cape]

not embelished

vers mastery

[surreal barn]

I got an engineer on one rogue and the life bound on the other

No idea if I made the right choice there

[gleaming trench]

i guess it comes down to if you wanna use 4 set since tier head is better than shoulders

[last jasper]

Sub with fire literally obliterated poor hunter. Feels good

[surreal barn]

Today is a good queue day

Idiots are queuing all day

[minor cape]

logged into a skirmish

😍

[jolly sierra]

seems like

the warr with glad mount was blaming the druid healer

[minor cape]

wait, torc has only one slot

for stones

🤔

[unique bramble]

do we not get damage reduction when we press feint anymore ?

[last jasper]

We do if we pick talent

[unique bramble]

what talent is that ?

ohh between cheat death & feint . thank you !

[jolly sierra]

for gems? add the other 3 by urself as always

[minor cape]

thing is normal ones

have 3 baseline

but this one you have to wait two weeks

sadge

[gleaming trench]

wait what?

just buy 2 neck enchants that add a socket, buy silver and gold and put silver first

or 2 gold onces

just dont go the other way around

[minor cape]

ooooh

right

forgot

thanks

[gleaming trench]

yw

[surreal barn]

2 silver then 1 gold works

[minor cape]

so if i had 1 socket

in my torc

i can add 3 more for 4 total?

🤔🤔

[surreal barn]

No clue about that one

[jolly sierra]

3 is the cap

buy 1 gold and 1 silver and add the silver one at first

[minor cape]

will do

🫡

[last jasper]

Bruh 😂

[minor cape]

i legit dont know shit about gear in this game only that i need big mast

[jolly bear]

can someone explain how i shadow dueled nobody

i used it and no one came with me

[proven kayak]

I think happens when you do it at someone with immunity like bop

[jolly bear]

wow

i was vs fury warr and a dh

do yall ever win with double rogue? its been really hard for me

[surreal barn]

You gotta out rogue em

[minor cape]

with sub assa sure

with double sub in shuffle you can only pray

lol

[plain kindle]

is crit primary stat for rogues in arena?

[gleaming trench]

go mastery over crit

is there a particular reason disc priests start dismounted in shuffle

cause ive seen few lately

looks sus when they get sapped in africa and then slowly waddle into healing range

[last jasper]

I could be wrong, but crit is absolutely worst stat for every spec in pvp

[surreal barn]

ffff almost a 6-0 lob

Sooo close

[last jasper]

btw, is there an addon that mimics current observer ui?

or at least the nameplates (debuff and spec icons)

like this

[potent pivot]

depends on spec

lemme see if the command is up to date

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste=/=Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Crit>Haste>Mastery

[potent pivot]

outlaw is kinda vers>mastery=crit>haste now

other than that the command is up to date

[plain kindle]

thats what i thought

[potent pivot]

That’s not totally correct

It’s better than haste for sub and outlaw, but not assa

[loud thicket]

4p for sub or just 2p? and if so is there another build to go with it?

[pale storm]

Let’s go

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/dragonflight-season-2-rating-update-453909

[sharp pumice]

It requires targeting somebody else or being smart enough to set up focus/mouseover/arena macros

Most warriors are too fucking stupid for it (warrior main by the way, part of the problem)

[surreal barn]

Oh my god finally

I wonder what I’ll end up at based on what I am now

[queen geyser]

ME MMR
SMOrc
ME NO INCREASE
SMOrc
YOUR MOUNTS AND TITLES
SMOrc
CAN REST IN PEACE
SMOrc

[tame nexus]

Can War immune blind before it lands?

[sharp pumice]

If you catch things right on cast yes, built in latency compensation for bladestorm when you have low latency, but you've either gotta know exactly when it's coming or be a God

[jolly sierra]

no set bugfixes?

[surreal barn]

I did feel the inflation this week though already tbh

Did a 3-3 and still got points, haven’t seen that shit since last season

[jolly sierra]

got 3-3 w the assa yesterday and think was just for spare mmr

[surreal barn]

Disarm stops war from using die by the sword

I wish I knew this earlier

[jolly sierra]

fr u didn't knew that?

literal just shadowstep and then disarm, the only thing they have then is the dmg reduction

[surreal barn]

Nope I just saved for when they use their offensives

[jolly sierra]

eksdee

[chrome schooner]

Or you disarm before so they just can't use it and die

Anticipation!

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[stoic spruce]

blood for the blood god?

[unique bramble]

someone plz reply to him

[languid ravine]

wait so you telling me it is 2023, and you now have to fly out to a scorched warzone, in order to unlock an ancient dragon tech anvil, just to enchant my weapon, because for some reason THIS particular weapon enchant can not be applied otherwise??

[mystic shoal]

is it worth to drop danse and sectec in rotten build for something else?

like flag

[wanton breach]

they can still use impeding victory to heal

[minor cape]

secret tech yes - many people play without it rn

macab idk, ive seen builds without it

tried myself

not worth

[mystic shoal]

what about silent storm

or can I just swap that to shot in the dark

[minor cape]

whats a silent storm which one

[minor cape]

ah yes its used to go to sec tech lol

[mystic shoal]

swapped it out to this atm

[minor cape]

nah

go for shadowstep cdr

[mystic shoal]

AH TRUE

[minor cape]

otherwise allright but id go stilleto stacato instead of veiltouch

[mystic shoal]

i figured veiltouch for big glooms

[minor cape]

funny enough stilleto will give more gloom damage through shadow blades lol

both are fine tho

[mystic shoal]

fair

i try stiletto

ty

[minor cape]

🫡

[mystic shoal]

im running thiefs bargain a lot of times

pretty good w all the cdr yeah?

[topaz cedar]

is the vanish shield not just kinda irrelevant once damp kicks in

[mystic shoal]

i thought about that but im running double dps w a mage atm

[topaz cedar]

ah fair

[mystic shoal]

so like not long games where we're going into deep dampening

[minor cape]

im happy we can finally drop secret tech for those RMs

to not break sheep

lol

i hate it so much when guy gets sheeped and sec tech clone breaks it

[wanton breach]

amazing news

[surreal barn]

Yaa that’s what I was getting at sometimes that little bit of time is all you need!

[vocal surge]

Reading the forums

and man the Shadow Priest is delusional

SPriest is easy S tier lmao

Hands down bait a Precog and you auto win mid game

because theres no stopping Void Torrent + Devouring Plague

[surreal barn]

They need to fix overlapping kicks with precog lol

In shuffle it is pretty crazy

Like me and a warrior were cursed with the same reaction time and kicked the spriest simultaneously all match

[vocal surge]

Honestly im down for Precog to be removed

Its overall too strong

Free cast for 4 seconds and on top of that free haste and immunity to CCs

[minor cape]

true

at least in shuffle

cause its impossible to know in a 1 second window that you want to kick if your teammate wants to kick too

[vocal surge]

If they really want casters to cast

Its better they nerf kick timers across the board for all classes

[minor cape]

they did

[vocal surge]

Talking about the CD

[surreal barn]

It has been nice having more casters tho

[minor cape]

its back to warriors honestly

rn

but casters are not hardmode at least

now

[surreal barn]

I’ve had lots of casters the higher I go

Actually queuing into a lot of hunters

[wary spire]

Wow pvp players and yiff artists are the only 2 groups that like inflation.

[minor cape]

also oil companies

[twin burrow]

Isn't there some non government entity that is responsible for the distribution of the USD which is also the strongest global currency. I wonder if that exists and if people know about it

[last jasper]

That’s the only time they can actually cast. With the amount of micro cc and shit it’s almost impossible to hard cast in arena nowadays

[vocal surge]

Ye, but there's ways to make distance and theres a good delay between interrupts assuming the enemy players are CCing other targets

for SPriests to cast

[last jasper]

That’s the whole point of precog. Cuz it’s hard to weave between kiting and doing damage while being micro cc’d all the way

[surreal barn]

It’s kinda insane how high you can get mastery> flag up after you’re all geared

Like, if they don’t stop the sec tec it is game over

[minor cape]

is curseforge safe?

already

[surreal barn]

I’d hope so by now

[harsh steppe]

ofc

[spring bough]

any1 tried rotten with four set in arena? bout to see what kinda evis dmg it does lol

[minor cape]

i have not but i suspect it does the same since you loose mast lol

[last jasper]

I’d say it does less, cuz u need evis to crit first 😂

[minor cape]

thats what cold blood is for

[last jasper]

Let me troll for a little, bruh

[minor cape]

but i guess if you want to sacrifice your dam for a little burst just go sec tech lol

🤪

[last jasper]

With brew.

[minor cape]

this is a christian discord server

[last jasper]

I’m catholic 😂

[jolly sierra]

we all are sinners u know

[last jasper]

Do we have awc today? Couldn’t find any info about it

[minor cape]

pope trickz said

1. no lfg (you have to look for god somewhere else!)
2. no trolling (devil worship)

[last jasper]

I’m dumb. They live for like 50min already, lol
Wow, they finally figure it out how to add details meters

[lucid citrus]

Yes it’s NA today

[surreal barn]

@pale storm kill ‘em all

[last jasper]

Nahj no sec tec, hmm

[jolly sierra]

@pale storm we believe in u

[fading blade]

So what’s the hype for gloomblade?

[last jasper]

There is none. Nahj just don’t like sec tec wa showing he is about to do dam

[minor cape]

well i thought so too

turns out you deal pretty much same burst without sectech

now i rarely even play it

while gloom can do a 170k hit with rotten and lingering

through armor

and gives good sustain

well, better than no gloom

also this lets you get shadowstep cdr

another big point for me is that i dont break my teammates sheep in rogue mage

[modest sun]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/bug-critical-bug-with-new-set-bonus-for-assa-rogue/1603580/6 do someone know if this will be fixed soon? It’s really annoying in PvP when you want get out of fight but can’t stay stealth

[jolly sierra]

nope lol

we are expecting that from some time ago

[last jasper]

I always have cdr with tec or without.

[last jasper]

Wow, I’m surprised, actually. But I believe Nahj is the only rogue playing gloom at awc.

[minor cape]

i mean of course sec tech gives more burst in shorter period of time

which is super important for awc

but like in shuff

id rather gloom

[minor cape]

no wepmaster :(((

[last jasper]

I only play shuffle. Keeping sec tec for chessy openers. But I might try gloom if it can go 170k, lmao

[minor cape]

what you have to do is just do your normal shit

then immediately do another dance and gloom

big bonk

[last jasper]

Following cb evis?

[minor cape]

and if it weaponmasters.... oof

nah look you do dance - do your normal stuff with 2 sstrikes right to get 2 perfo veins

[last jasper]

Jeez, pika just rolled over mvq 😂

[minor cape]

then you do second dance go like gloom eviscerate symbols gloom

[last jasper]

I should try it on a dummy

[minor cape]

it gives me like 80k gloom and linger

[last jasper]

I told u to drop that vanish shield

[minor cape]

no

😤

[jolly sierra]

i ended checking the cum boots in shuffle matches

and damn, dunno if they fixed even more the dmg but is shittier than in early patch

def would drop them for fang embelishment

should have a 447 ilvl dagger for monday

[wanton breach]

assa rogue in awc, i'm amazed

[minor cape]

its only possible with m plus?

to get crafyed

mastery dagger

[wanton breach]

yes, just need to do 16s for the aspect's crest

[minor cape]

guess im playing sword

😭

[jolly sierra]

or raiding

[surreal barn]

I play sec tec and gloom lol

[last jasper]

Lmao. What ilvl u even need for 16?

[surreal barn]

But I also am not 2100 yet so 🤷‍♂️

[hidden dome]

I was just testing my Dragonfire Bomb Dispenser in a duel and it hit for full damage

meaning 50k non-crits

[tawny kestrel]

not worth

[hidden dome]

Not sure actually, the thing is only 424 equipped and crits for up to 100k every 10 seconds (while you have charges)

[tawny kestrel]

ye i have it from mythic, its not worth it

losing 25% agility

[hidden dome]

Oh right

they changed the PvP trinket bonus

I forgot

[spring bough]

rotten feels so much better over a brew build now after these nerfs lol

[lucid citrus]

How was AWC today?

[languid ravine]

caster meta as expected

fairly watchable though if you skip all the queue times

[languid ravine]

he shouldve gemmed stamina instead died with 1 sec cd on cloak :^D !!

[languid ravine]

man I just failed a GNOMEREGAN run in 2023

[jolly sierra]

how was the assa? im at work

[wary spire]

Please be bad, I want assa to get more buffs.

[gleaming trench]

i think welthyman was the only assa that pulled through

others not great

[languid ravine]

you'd think assa would be great in this weird Rotburst caster meta but alas

[gleaming trench]

oh and didnt see how drake did

[jolly sierra]

if AWC was advertising rogues dying then the assa shouldn't perform very well lol

[gleaming trench]

okay drake made assa look strong

[jolly sierra]

F

do u have the clip?

i was at work

[surreal barn]

I feel like they could have gotten some kills if exsanguinate was working

[stoic spruce]

I wonder if this will get outlaw buffed

[tawny kestrel]

wouldnt worry about any rogue buffs

they've left dk the way its been for idk how long now

[quaint cedar]

Don't tell me that

I want to believe in the dream

That outlaw will get buffed some day

[stoic spruce]

Dk got buffed tho

For 10.1.5

[stoic spruce]

But if dk got buffed, anything can happen

[languid ravine]

Sorry guys, I just talked to my lawyer and he said that "Killing Spree" is legally banned from dealing more than 5% of your HP bar

one could say it is... outlawed

😎

[quaint cedar]

Hey we got to be OP for like half of SL

Outlaw will come back some day I'm sure

Maaaybe those pve compensation buffs will save us?

[faint valve]

Shadowflame Wreathe enchant bis for weapons?

And as Assa - do we use tier set in PvP? (arena)

[potent pivot]

it's decent for assa, and yes as assa you use tier set

[gleaming trench]

i watched the vod from Warcraft twitch, it was the last game of saturday

[gleaming trench]

lol first shuffle of the day is prot pala dh dk fury

games end in 15 seconds and dk leaves after second loss

[topaz cedar]

yea i mean understandable honestly

especially in prot pala instead of healer lobby

dk just automatically goes 0/6 nothing they can do

[ruby drift]

Not enough survivability

[mystic shoal]

how the fuck do you even play sub in solo bro

ppl are bots

[gleaming trench]

yeah miserable lobby, fury just deleted him

[last jasper]

Haven't played dk since bfa, but Im sure as a dk he could manage soemthing. Anyway, 0-6 is way better than a rage quit

[narrow tangle]

what happened

[topaz cedar]

Nah

DK has the least sustain out of all of them

its a prot pala lobby

in bfa death strike healed and the class was tanky

[mystic shoal]

ppl just putting shit on DRs left and right

can't properly set up

or kill something

monogs just win

I feel like at this point Sin is just the better spec for spread pressure and hope smth dies in a kidney

[surreal barn]

Yeah sometimes that’s just how it goes

[languid ravine]

For Sub; Reprimand over Stratagem? yay or nay

[minor cape]

stratagem in rotten, reprimand in brew

why even reprimand when you get 7 cp from a shadowstrike

[languid ravine]

well those two are not mutually exclusive

[surreal barn]

What do you think the inflation rate will be this week

[languid ravine]

How is my Battleground going? well thanks for asking
We are getting stomped so hard, the enemy restodruid is resurrecting people IN OUR BASE

[scarlet shell]

happens.

you either stomp or they bully you in ress place

[languid ravine]

oooooor you give players hidden mmr with very lax matchmaking so you games will be fair 80% of the time instead of unfair 90% of the time

but nahhhhh

my WHOLE warsong team got wiped within 8 seconds

XD

[languid ravine]

-Ret Pala playing braindead goes 0-4
-Ret Pala declares he will from now on play braindead also
-completely crushes the last two rounds

by inting

[elfin maple]

which build is better nowadays for sub rogue in solo shuffle, rotten or flag build with echoing?

[stoic spruce]

I only play good when I'm sad and that makes me sad

[languid ravine]

I d say Rotten, it feeds off and against all the myriads of mistakes people will inevitably do in shuffle

Flag only when you wont be micro cced for 12 sec straight

[elfin maple]

its just so terrible, like legit all i want to do is get 1.8k for transmog, get the mount for winning enough games above 1k and never go in arena again in this season, playing rogue in solo is so frustrating, cant solo kill anyone, get zugzuged in oblivion in. 2 games - ~ 200 rating, fucking gg / end of rant

[stoic spruce]

Ikr

If I wanted to play support, I'd play a dk.

[last jasper]

just play sub

[stoic spruce]

But u want to keel haul them :(

[wary spire]

Okay are eu severs screwed up or what

Got dc'd twice. 2 of my partners did too

[last jasper]

lmao. whazz on sub is insane

[surreal barn]

You see that sap lol

Sneaky af

[last jasper]

he pretook an eye. lmao

literally checkmate them

[vocal surge]

subscription runs out in a couple hours

[jolly sierra]

got that some days ago

i got fucked in a round for that

the worse is than that bs is very random

[wary spire]

Yep.

Also - won 4 in a lobby with bm arms and fury.

Felt like won a jackpot.

Was ready to go 0-6 at the start.

[jolly sierra]

kek

happened the same to me some days ago

against a demo and a fury as assa

[pale storm]

Melee lobby’s as sub are the best imo

[jolly sierra]

ended 3-3

[languid ravine]

I m getting griefed 0-6 on assa in a lobby I would 6-0 by accident on my DH

love it

literally blue gear DH btw

its actually unplayable when you rely on teammates

[jolly sierra]

thought assa relied less than sub on teammates

[languid ravine]

no the opposite is true because you rely heavily on pressure all the time

and you will be the target 100% of the time, so your teammates need to keep up and use the space created

and also positioning is much more important

all this is NULL when you have a 90IQ fury warrior

and 80IQ healer

and dont even get me started on all the things that remove your bleeds

[shut solstice]

Guys, why are outlaws using Shadowflame Wreathe?

Doesn't it break gouge?

[potent pivot]

well outlaw has hardly any burst, so some are probably just running it for more consistent pressure

Trill is playing 1 dance/thistle/gloomblade/dark brew :o

[shut solstice]

Hmm. well damn. guess fuck gouge.

[potent pivot]

one of the outlaws i looked at that was running shadowflame was also running gouge

[shut solstice]

Makes sense. Hmm. where could I put that talent point...

[potent pivot]

i still think taking gouge is ok in most scenarios

extra interrupt/off target cc

[shut solstice]

true. the interupt is still pretty valuable imo

I think i'll try the shadowflame.

[surreal barn]

Enjoy gouge while we have it

[shut solstice]

wdym

[surreal barn]

Never know when we’ll lose it lol

Certain specs have had it gutted in the past 😂

[shut solstice]

T_T

[languid ravine]

echoing too? or using cold blood still?

[potent pivot]

CB

[languid ravine]

idk feels weird having Ambush not apply find weakness :d

but I guess Gloom/rupture dont need it by dealing shadow damage

[languid ravine]

Imagine having 2 piece tomorrow and not 4 weeks ago

[unkempt vine]

Is 3 seconds really that good for sub 2 piece

[potent pivot]

wdym?

[unkempt vine]

Doesn't 2 piece just give like 3 seconds symbols when you use dance?

I guess rupture extend, but that's pretty negligible for pvp.

[lucid citrus]

Anyone running the gloomblade build?

[inner tartan]

was a good pvp built for outlaw and is ho good

[potent pivot]

Nop? Might need to check it again 😀

[neon charm]

it's 6 sec still

[unkempt vine]

50% in pvp

[neon charm]

You right, it's still worth it for the energy imo

and def for the rotten builds

[unkempt vine]

Hrm, didn't think about the extra energy. It's a bit of a fumbling rotation now that's for sure.

[potent pivot]

Also gotta think about the interaction of The Rotten, tier makes it a pretty strong talent choice

[steep loom]

its finally over...1800 on outlaw...i dont have to sit in ques anymore

[jolly sierra]

lol gratz

that is huge for outlaw

[steep loom]

i'm not even ambush build lol i think thats my favorite part

[kind jackal]

any subtly rouge willing to answer questions?

[inner tartan]

what built u running and r u 2s 3s solo or rbgs

what would be more ez learning a different spec / class and going for 1800 + content or play outlaw which i already know and getting to 1800+ content

if dont m+ to 2500 heroic and mythic raiding as outlaw so i know how to play it xd

[jolly sierra]

i have a friend which is a cutting edge raider and is awful in pvp

the gaps are very different in comparison

i always try to drag him to some arenas but chicken a lot after traumas from BFA F

[wanton breach]

pve is good to learn how to deal damage - which is also applicable in pvp
however you need to know a whole lot more about what others can do to you or your team mates - that comes frome learning and experience. that can be pretty overwhelming for people new to pvp. you need to learn so much and you will still get your ass handed to you at first

[jolly sierra]

to pvp you need to adapt a lot to situations and rely less in your partners due to smaller comp size

also don't panic, that happens a lot w pve players

[steep loom]

I got 1800 in solos, but i run 2s and 3s. my 2s partner is on a hiatus otherwise i feel like we could easily hit 2100-2400.

[jolly sierra]

they freezes a lot when they got bursted hard

[wanton breach]

unknown scenario, "unpredictable" at first

[stoic spruce]

I only PvE with PvP mains

[steep loom]

BQQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFAAAJEQSSIJJJSSLRCJBCJCAJJAAAAAAAJtkEUSikkERAAAA is the build i've been running. with Riposte/Deft Maneuvers/Dancing steel being the float talents depending on team comps

[wanton breach]

I can 1000% understand why a lot of people do not want to play pvp. the entry hurdles are huge

[jolly sierra]

is very newbie unfriendly

that is the real problem

[inner tartan]

ok second question for some one who want to pvp what class / spec and content should i start on

[jolly sierra]

for example if u pve a lot and never did any rated pvp u join a 1k5 mmr match and got assblasted and discouraged

[wanton breach]

you need a load of specific addons/weakauras to help you gain some kind of idea of what the fuck is happening

[jolly sierra]

true too

imagine doesn't tracking the enemy cds and then u got "what the heck happened"

[wanton breach]

or "what the fuck, how does he have [ability] again?!"

[inner tartan]

i mean i have some bg wa ages ago when my guild did ebg and normal bg the glad iso thing and name platye but for arenas those dont help

what addon should i get

[jolly sierra]

ability team tracker

toptarget to make stuff easier

weakauras and add mes enemy cooldowns

nameplate auras, dismish

gladius, gladiatorlosa

and stuff like that

[inner tartan]

hmmm ok andfor classes specs

[wanton breach]

• omnibar for enemy cds
• omnicd for team mate cds
• some type of arena frames addon like gladiusex, sarena
• gladiatorlossa2 which calls out enemy ability usage
• mes arena weakauras like https://wago.io/pjH2s0KV3
• external ability tracker (tracks cooldowns running on you) https://wago.io/-jC2P_4gF

[inner tartan]

which is good for pvp i dont mean as strong s teir i mean dose well in pvp in all

ooo ty both of you xd

[wanton breach]

class and spec should be something you are comfortable with playing already

[jolly sierra]

i still recall my brother dueling against me in SL

always won against him, was a pve player too, with mythic raid gear

he always says he hates rogues a lot lol

and wants them deleted

[inner tartan]

rip for him rogues r wayy to fun

[jolly sierra]

i know, he told me he felt disgusted when played a pve rogue

by lvl up

[inner tartan]

has any one level a rogue recently

i made a outlaw and i feel between level 10 and 30 they hit like wet noodles and once you get passed that in pvp you get deleted by hunters and in pve you get carried throw dungeon by low levels 🤣

[thick slate]

How does sub feel in solo shuffle? Im gearing my rogue but everytime i watch streams of solo shuffles, most of the sub rogues end up feeding hard and not able to do proper goes
So what is everyone’s experience in that bracket so far?

[minor cape]

playable definitely it's just very different from playing any other class in shuffle

[solemn stream]

as far as i know outlaw is the worst rogue spec for pvp, and leveling in dungeons is always gonna be:
low levels > tank > dps

[untold remnant]

To be honest, it feels god awful. I got to 2092 cr before the nerfs, because you had damage. Now you just hit like a wet noodle and need to do perfect cc. But most people in Shuffle just randomly put people on DR

[merry kite]

just watched AWC, sub rogue might be broken

[thick slate]

Yeah that’s what im worried about, that i wont be able to enjoy the class in SS

[last jasper]

Not broken. But definitely far away from being called “wet noodle” 😂

[thick slate]

Dont think assa or outlaw are any better for that bracket

[solemn stream]

i enjoy my good old pikaboo videos and he defaults back to sub rogue (well only sub rogue lately), so i assumed assa is not worth it

[untold remnant]

AWC is an indicator on how good rogue can be when played perfect in 3s. Solo Shuffle is something different, until you maybe reach highest rating and people know how to play along a rogue :>

[wary spire]

It would suck if we get nerfed again because of awc level play.

While I'm a struggling shuffle nerd.

[last jasper]

They might

[minor cape]

they will lol

everyone hates sub

[last jasper]

espacialy cdew 😄

[minor cape]

oh no this class can control and deal mediocore damage NERF

[proven kayak]

Rogue has the highest skill ceiling that’s why it’s hard to balance

And it’s either have to be god tier or low tier that if played well goes to A/S tier

It’s high effort class

[wanton breach]

laughs in demo lock

[minor cape]

imagine being a class that can't even get controlled

in any way

[thick slate]

Hey guys im facing an issue especially when i play Sub where i become toxic to everyone even my friends. Do note that this happens with me only when im on my rogue. How can i fix this ? Is it class related? Are there any guides on how to control this toxicity ?

[minor cape]

no you cant fix that

[thick slate]

Did anyone report this or open a ticket related to bugs about it ?

[minor cape]

playing sub makes you scream whenever someone puts a target on any DR

and slam your face into keyboard when you have a dh

on your team

[thick slate]

Yeah i noticed im reaching notes within my voice that i didnt know existed

[minor cape]

if you notice you are screaming and then the note disappears

it doesn't mean you've gone mute

it means you are in ultrasound

[thick slate]

Interesting clarifications

[wary spire]

Dr almost expires - mw monk rolls up to them and leg sweeps 2 seconds before it ends

Blind a healer - war decides to place a rend on them.

[minor cape]

you put up any soft stun
dh: 😈

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-anime-toast-run-ohayou-gif-25028069

[wary spire]

What a strange duck

[spring bough]

Safe to say arena hasn’t changed. Got on Saturday went from mid 1600s to almost 1900 and back down again 😂. Can’t wait for inflation this week

[surreal barn]

Me too

I was gonna push but I’m just leaving one rogue at 1890 and the other at 1840

Get that enchant and then goof off

Btw - I’m enjoying my undead in shuffle more than my night elf with all the random ass fears

[solemn stream]

undead power, whoop whoop

[shut solstice]

In 3s?

[spring bough]

Just doing solo. Got to 1600 on 2s/3s and stopped at that lol

[wary spire]

You look good - you play good.

[untold remnant]

Can they please nerf Demo lock? It's so fcking strong xd

[surreal barn]

You ever roll out in a fresh xmog just to lose every battle after - then you retire it forever

[wary spire]

I put on a clown costume after 0-6.

[topaz cedar]

thats why i just tell my dps not to attack healer if they're in a cheap shot

that way i can just blind -> sap

99% of them understand

[languid ravine]

0-6 healer lobby
+1 Rating

[spring bough]

Played some outlaw in solo yesterday. Some lobbies it felt great others like I’m non existent lol. Gotta say mastery is hella good though getting 20k plus main gauche hits and crits. Wish the spec overall did more ST dmg tho

[minor cape]

100%

[untold remnant]

I should really stop playing Solo Shuffle. It's messing with my sanity

[languid ravine]

0-5 healer leaves
+0 Rating

[elfin maple]

you missed the best part

you must wait 40 min for que to pop and then you get 0 points

[languid ravine]

no I dont miss that at all

[tribal phoenix]

Why do skill capped videos always picture rogue as the most obnoxious op class in the game even when they're balanced/slightly weak am I alone in this

[untold remnant]

Because they expect you to play it like a Master. Highest skill ceiling in the game, and you are playing at that level. That's what they use to compare

[languid ravine]

they watched too many pikaboo videos

even worse, the skill floor is already so much higher than most classes

Literally on my blue gear DH I just press Throw Glaive and I m 100 rating higher than my assa after 15 games

[tribal phoenix]

Aha good, I'm not hallucinating then

[languid ravine]

I got a Ret pala in my lobby with last patch gear :^D

[tribal phoenix]

You'll be fine, you are playing the the permanently S tier class, the rogue

[languid ravine]

how does he even get in the game with 420 ilvl

[wary spire]

Hehe 420

[wintry dew]

Impossible

[languid ravine]

think

[untold remnant]

Shadow Priest is actually the god tier class

It just CAN'T DIE

[languid ravine]

why do you think I am asking if I am unaware of the ilvl requirement

[wintry dew]

Must be 43x. Unless he intentionally swapped gear

[languid ravine]

or unintentionally and didnt notice for 6 rounds

x ^ D

either way a endless self imposed misery born of a pit of stupid

or something like that

[jolly sierra]

thought he had gear in bags and forgot to swap

[surreal barn]

I encountered a healer that forgot his pve on

Poor dude lol

[wary spire]

I can see how he got confused, healers call people bots in rss all the time.

[languid ravine]

I ve got another Enh shaman who is still rocking green PvP gear after 2000 matches played

big props

I guess he is trying to get MAXIMUM mastery for whatever reasohn

fucking gross

[jolly sierra]

how tf

green geared

[languid ravine]

Auction house 424 pvp gear

[languid ravine]

Man out of 7 matches I played today exactly ONE was not a fucking waste of time due to unacceptable matchmaking

[fading blade]

tryna figure out if i wanna craft sporecloak or mast shoulders on an alt

[languid ravine]

LOL I had three people die at the same time in shuffle : D

6/9 lobbies where one healer was much better than the other

nice

Imagine you playing chess but your Queen is actually a Rook for 3 out of 6 Rounds

And your Knight thinks pillars are just for decoration

and the Bishop is whining in Discord all day

[jolly sierra]

idk how to play chess

lol

[unkempt vine]

I have cloak on one and mastery shoulders on another. I really don't feel the difference with the small mastery gain while the shield is noticable, although I seem to get bursted through it everytime anyway so it's not really that helpful.

[vocal surge]

[languid ravine]

for Sub, the other 2 crafted pieces will always be Ring+Boots then?

cloak actually seems to be the least used embellishment at high end loadouts according to murlok

it reads very powerful though weird

[jolly sierra]

im using the cloak w the assa rog tbh

ended having a dependence

[surreal barn]

Pikaboo used it yesterday

The cloak

[agile leaf]

is there bis gear update for 10.1?

[unkempt vine]

Note you can wear unlimited crafted pieces, just limited to 2 embellishments. So yes you can embellish the ring and wear the infurious boots, then just craft regular shoulders with no embellishment to get mastery\vers shoulders

Or go with engineering mastery helm and tier shoulders, unsure about that being better tho

[languid ravine]

aye I ve been playing gimped all day when I couldve had 3 gear slots upgraded for almost free

thanks for the info

[potent pivot]

The gear in the faq is not updated, but you can figure most things out from a quick look at murlok.io

[languid ravine]

was scratching my head why dont I have any shadowflame, turns out I had 8 halves of them lmao

[agile leaf]

what about optimal crafted pieces aside boots?

[last jasper]

How do u know, did they show his armory at one point?

[median isle]

There was a thing on the left edge of the stream with a pull out tab that showed all gear and talents for all the players in the current game

[last jasper]

Damn. I watched on YouTube and was thinking why there is no such thing

[agile leaf]

dang shadowflame wreathe is the way to go now i guess

[median isle]

is the engineering helm worth?

over lifebound or conq helm?

[wary spire]

https://discordapp.com/channels/124169701881282560/226359213427916800/1118008158091219044

[median isle]

tyvm

[agile leaf]

i cant get much info, on the 2nd best emblishment? i have my boots embelished already

[languid ravine]

I ve been doing A.I. Arathi for 8 minutes now

XDDDDDDDDDDDDD

2-3 bases for AI

kill me

[orchid temple]

Any help with a beginner sub build?

And what honor gear to get?

[spring bough]

getting a 70k pistol shot for a KB knowing i had 2 more in the chamber that would of added up to some hefty damage lol

feels so good when outlaw gets it together lol

main gauche doing 15% of my overall damage after 6 solo rounds lol

[last jasper]

Sub is not good anymore

[jolly sierra]

sub is dead

long life to our new assassination overlords

[agile leaf]

@jolly sierra what emblishments you use?

[orchid temple]

wut

[last jasper]

Did you forget outlaw?

[orchid temple]

i just wanna know which honor pieces to buy

[jolly sierra]

sporecloak and cum boots, but im replacing the latter ones cuz are doing very low dmg in SS, switching them for fang weapon embellishment

else would sporecloak + infurious

[agile leaf]

dang i just got the scalewarden cloak today

[spring bough]

outlaw for life

[jolly sierra]

since im very unlucky rolling dices for yugioh i become very loatsome about RNG systems

[languid ravine]

mate just active Kuribo

[agile leaf]

is it wise to get scalewarden hood and catalize it into tier?

[jolly sierra]

hope fkn kuriboh helps me rolling dices lol

not at all

but is not relevant anymore, cuz u can have a catalyst per week

[spring bough]

my idea for outlaws rework would be get rid of RTB and make the buffs talents you can pick and perma be buffed with it. then no more RNG

[agile leaf]

because i dont have any tier gear and i dont raid on this toon

[jolly sierra]

hmm

what about the vault?

[last jasper]

Idk, always loved rtb

[jolly sierra]

maybe u are too lucky

that is witchcraft

[last jasper]

I never actually pvped as outlaw 😂 few times for fun nothing more

[surreal barn]

I’m with you on that, I tried to like rtb

[spring bough]

i have been using loaded dice and count the odds. cant play without them RTB feels so non existent without them

[languid ravine]

imo find different buffs or tweak them so grand melee and the energy one arent worthless, that should fix 80% of the problem

maybe allow rerolling for 1-4 seconds

or do a soft rework and have it be a short duration BURST type of button

lets say for example for 8 seconds depending on what you roll, any one of your buttons is giga empowered

[spring bough]

honestly if they reversed the early season 1 nerfs to fan the hammer and overall damage we would be fine

id be happy with no complaints if they just reversed all the season 1 nerfs

3 additional for FTH is where its at

[quaint cedar]

yeah outlaw could certainly have some QoL changes, especially around RtB, but honestly we just need a little more damage and we'd be solid

balancing team way overreacted with the pve nerfs to outlaw at the beginning of season 1 and we've been hurting ever since

what's funny is outlaw isn't even the best spec in pve....sub is

by a good margin too

[spring bough]

20k main gauche for a killing blow is so godly thats the best we got right now LOL

[jolly sierra]

remember than exsang is buried in bottom of sea since early s1

[spring bough]

isnt that ability broken and not working?

[jolly sierra]

at least is working for me

[spring bough]

from the PVE pins Exsang -> Deathmark is bugged and the duplicated dots aren't getting sped up anymore for some reason. This is simming properly, and kills exsang in all content. Use MA in keys to maintain iron wire, or a no-exsang build in raid"

[quaint cedar]

I've had some back to back main gauche procs that really add up

[jolly sierra]

ah yeah but is just bugged with that interaction

[quaint cedar]

ends up being a decent "burst" for outlaw

but it sucks that it's RNG lol

[jolly sierra]

but tbh u doesn't do that

most of time

[quaint cedar]

man so many rogue talents are bugged

[jolly sierra]

or even abilities

[quaint cedar]

is blackjack still broken? last I checked it doesn't work with blind, only sap

[jolly sierra]

like fkn poisoned knife REEEEEEEEEEE

[spring bough]

last 6 rounds i just did. main gauche again 14.6% overall. highest was a 26k

[jolly sierra]

dunno but imo new lead balance dev hates rogues

[quaint cedar]

also I'm quite certain triple threat for outlaw is bugged. I don't think it ever procs off of ambush, only sinister strike. Which, considering it's on the ambush side of the tree (and mandatory to take if you want hidden opportunity), that seems like a bug

[jolly sierra]

report it, but will be in queue with the assa 2set

seems like they doesn't care

[quaint cedar]

lol your tier set is broken too? nice!

outlaw's is a mess

[spring bough]

soulreave and soulrip doing a whopping 2% if that combined

at this point bout to lose the 4 set for outlaw and just go my sub mastery gear for outlaw lol

[jolly sierra]

my tier drags me away from stealth

[spring bough]

and gonna pickup the main gauche talents while im at it too lol

[jolly sierra]

and stuck me in combat

[quaint cedar]

I dropped outlaw tier set

not even worth it

just running conquest pieces instead

not even 2 pc

[jolly sierra]

for me the 4set does worth

but sadly need to use the 2set to make it work

[spring bough]

so is it time to drop OL and sub for sin till 10.1.5

[spring bough]

msg me your sin build bout to hit up a 0 rated solo shuff lol

never played sin in pvp RIP lol

[jolly sierra]

wut

sure

[quaint cedar]

never give up on the pirate dream

outlaw for life

[spring bough]

living that bored life till inflation tomorrow lol

[surreal barn]

I was so bored I did shadowlands campaign

🥸

[jolly sierra]

level a lock and do firelands lego quest chain

free legendary mount

[quaint cedar]

that is a truly frightening level of boredom

I never want to do the SL campaign ever again lol

[spring bough]

yeah i cant play sin back to sub or outlaw lol

[jolly sierra]

did u dropped it?

F

[spring bough]

big F i need to watch a sin video if i even wanna try again lol

[jolly sierra]

but how was ur shuffle?

lol

[spring bough]

im still 0 rating as a sin rogue thats how well it went lmao

[jolly sierra]

OOF

damn

[spring bough]

i think i cracked the code w this main gauche on outlaw tho

[jolly sierra]

perhaps

[spring bough]

rocking 55% mastery and took all the main gauche talents lol

main gauche another 28k lol

[quaint cedar]

I'm full mastery and my main gauche is hitting for like 21k - 28k

[spring bough]

its kinda funny seeing that be top damage other than flurry lol

last season it wasnt even cracking top 10 lol

[quaint cedar]

lol yeah

never thought I'd ever go mastery on outlaw but here we are

[spring bough]

maybe the rework can include finishers in mastery for outlaw plus the dmg still lol

[quaint cedar]

yeah ngl I wish the mastery was more interesting

[spring bough]

main gauche damage ontop of big dispatches

[quaint cedar]

the damage from it is nice though, you actually feel like you have some decent consistent pressure with it

I'm almost 1900 in 2s as outlaw and it feels pretty decent in that bracket

[spring bough]

6 rounds overall it did 20% of my damange. second was ambush with 12% lol

[quaint cedar]

I can keep up with most specs in damage, or be somewhat close at least

yup main gauche is always in my top 3 in details

[tender ferry]

Stacking mastery is the way to go as outlaw. Crit and haste are pointless since you get so much free crit and haste anyways

[spring bough]

i saw some wild build from one of the EU top outlaws i think i might try. its more like KIR without dreadblades lol

save that HP lol

[quaint cedar]

oh really? who was running it?

KIR just seems so cursed for pvp

[spring bough]

supremacy on murlok if u wanna check the spec

[quaint cedar]

like you get CCd and you're screwed aren't you?

ok let me check

[spring bough]

seems interesting big dispatches maybe

[quaint cedar]

ok that is a very interesting build lol

I'm surprised he bothered with audacity and getting improved ambush if he didn't go for find weakness

ambush without last season tier set isn't exactly a heavy hitter lol

[spring bough]

i bet that procs a lot prob decent added dmg

[quaint cedar]

I do like seal fate

wish we could run that with the standard HO build

not enough points though

oh I just noticed he doesn't even have keep it rolling

so yeah guess he's just trying to spec for bigger dispatch damage

I remember trying a build like that early in the season and it seemed way worse than HO

but idk maybe I didn't set it up right, who knows

[spring bough]

we could try running the HO build with tea lol

even more mastery for main gauche lol

[quaint cedar]

oh I tried that once too

just on a training dummy

it seemed about the same? if I remember correctly

I think the problem with tea for us is that the mastery buff only lasts for 6 seconds

and our mastery is a proc so we have no control over it

so like you could take a tea and then just not proc any mastery hits

[spring bough]

yeah im feeling the main gauche for outlaw its pretty nice lol

[inner yew]

Is Sectech bugged rn?

[steep loom]

Mastery outlaw is the only way i play it anymore

[raven schooner]

As someone who just picked up rogue a day or two ago and got my full honor gear can someone tell me what my opener is supposed to be as sub lmao. I feel like I’m dog shit

Or send me to a good guide

Rogue feels so sick to play but I can feel myself fumbling around a lot

[minor cape]

there are different ways

in ideal world it should start with control/multiple controls -> pop all the stuff with shadow dance -> maybe kidney if you decided to go 4cp on dance talent and didnt cheap before -> shadowstrike -> cold blood secret tech -> symbols -> shadowstrike -> eviscerate (weave in a cheapshot once previous stun ends, dont leave a gap)

assuming you are playing rotten + 2 set

with other builds it would be different

[raven schooner]

You don’t symbols before the secret tech?

I try to pop on use trinket(+agi) + symbols + cold blood before my tech

And yeah I run first dance

[minor cape]

symbols does not affect secret tech

there are two reasons you use symbols

1. energy
2. proc rotten

[raven schooner]

Ahhh I see

[minor cape]

proc agi trinket before dance - you will have enough time to pop sectech

at least i do that

[raven schooner]

Yeah I have rotten, which gives you crit on shadow strike

[minor cape]

but its fine to macro with sectech

[minor cape]

you might notice it also does other things

[raven schooner]

Like lots of Combo points right?

[minor cape]

it also increases its damage and gives you 7cp

yes

[raven schooner]

Ahh okay

[minor cape]

do you have 2 set?

[raven schooner]

No just full honor 😕

[minor cape]

if you do - you get a free symbols

on dance

[minor cape]

so this wont work

[raven schooner]

I was spamming comp stomp yesterday, I main destro but needed a change and decided to try rogue

[minor cape]

well idea is the same just pop symbols with dance -> shadowstrike -> sectech -> shadowstrike evis spam

[raven schooner]

Do you shadow blades before coming out of stealth as like an optimal option

Or do you set up stuns first

[minor cape]

with thiefs bargain you can

idk i have all the shit macroed into one button

it pops blades dance agi trinket

[raven schooner]

That’s fair. I probably need better macros

[minor cape]

its a shitty macro

but yeah you can pre pop blades maybe open with two shadowstrikes, which is less reliable but people do it

[raven schooner]

All mine are just on keys with shift alt ctrl modifiers

[minor cape]

anyways it seems like there is absolutely no wiggle room there, but every dude that i know opens differently somehow

[raven schooner]

That’s fair. I think I just need to adjust some key bindings and reread tool tips so I’m fully understand everything

Thank you!

[minor cape]

🫡

take this all with a grain of salt im not high rated

[last jasper]

Why is it shitty? U need all this on ur go

[minor cape]

cause i dont have sblades only

button

[wary spire]

I guess waiting gives you the highest burst, but I dunno. It feels like there should be a very specific circumstance for it to be worth.

I also just use "fuck it we ball" all in one macro.

One with kidney, one with shadow strike and one with cs.

[last jasper]

I’m curious, why would u need it?

[minor cape]

thiefs bargain

[last jasper]

I have separate dance for soft go if I feel i need to wait for blades (idk actually what is normal cd for blades with stiletto)

[minor cape]

also to build quick combo points

for kidney

[minor cape]

yeah i have a dance bind too

[last jasper]

I use first dance for this.
The only case when I press blades separately is when I’m concerned about -6%dam. So I could press it a little before go. But usually don’t

[minor cape]

yeah 6% is honestly a normal random margin lol

[last jasper]

That’s actually bugs me. Cuz they sit on keybind I can use for something else 😂

[last jasper]

I have this like when a guy survived with like 5% left. I’m always “okay, fucker, I won’t do this again” lol

[minor cape]

could have survived without thiefs bargain same way lol

[last jasper]

Sure.

[idle coyote]

Is Shadowflame enchant nerfed? or why people stop using it for sub?

[last jasper]

We never used it

[idle coyote]

pikaboo were using it

[last jasper]

He might forget to swap it from his assa games

He use sophic all the time

[idle coyote]

it doesnt even sim higher on pve, is it that bad?

[orchid temple]

Is there a good guide for the crafted (tier?) pieces anywhere?

Can't seem to find one & I'm confused AF

[potent pivot]

For the catalyst?

[orchid temple]

Idek

[potent pivot]

There’s prolly something on wowhead

[orchid temple]

I hear about sparks & trophies

[potent pivot]

Just google Dragonflight season 2 creation catalyst guide

[minor cape]

you go to tyrhold and upgrade your purple gear

[orchid temple]

Purple gear being conquest gear?

[potent pivot]

There’s purple wpvp gear too

[surreal barn]

Are any class tunings planned for today

[twin burrow]

sod gives dmg modify-er

[minor cape]

oh shit

i thought it increased crit chance

never paid attention cause y know its always active on goes basically

🫡

now i know more

@raven schooner

gave you misinformation there

[twin burrow]

yea sod has changed a bunch, i remember when it was like a coldblood

but just for ss

[minor cape]

it still is lol

my rotation remains true tho cause you still have that uptime on dance

🫡

[simple crest]

god i love SS. druid cycloned all my damage into the target

[minor cape]

cyclone is best cc in 3s

or 2s

and the worst cc in shuffle

lol

[simple crest]

im so sick of losing cause someone gets so freaking lucky. druid hits 20%, i shadow duel him, but the mwer gets of cocoon at the exact same time i hit shadow duel.

[minor cape]

shouldve dueled that mw

into kidney

or just killed mw after duel

shit happens

[simple crest]

the weaver had just jumped across the map, thats why the druid got to 20%.

[wary spire]

The most fun ss win was when I was almost dead and weaver ran for my ass. While he was rolling around a pillar his partner dropped dead.

[spring bough]

Y’all ready for some inflation this week?? Maybe some duelist illusions by the weekend 🔥

[surreal barn]

Better get it before rogue is nerfed to oblivion

[untold remnant]

So afraid of this, because Pikaboo played too good

[surreal barn]

yeep.

[untold remnant]

But if they nerf secret technique, the eviscerate / gloomblade build works just fine

And maybe they even compensate with some evis buffs

[agile leaf]

can i cauterize obsidian gladiator gear?

[surreal barn]

Wonder what the other class discords are saying

[raven schooner]

No sweat. I’m about to change macros and practice rotation on a target dummy for 1 hour

[mystic shoal]

if i convert helm to tier will it put the haste on it

[surreal barn]

Yep

Nice man we can do a craft every week now

[copper torrent]

So how do I get tier gear? I did the quest to unlock the catalyst? So I just wait every week and get a charge or do I have to fill the bar up 100%?

[stoic spruce]

I keep testing 4pc outlaw and each time I get upset

"maybe it changed its mind"

[wary spire]

Did it?

[stoic spruce]

No :/

[spring bough]

Did it for one game last night. Def did more damage w my sub mastery set and no 4 set. Main gauche is no joke. Got a 30k crit last night lol

[harsh steppe]

gm

[wintry dew]

GM Hyper

[surreal barn]

You feel any inflation yet @spring bough ? I can’t queue till tomorrow

[harsh steppe]

hella upgrades today

anyone get anything good from vault today?

[surreal barn]

Deciding if I should socket or craft now that we can buy shadowflame spark half

[spring bough]

I gotta wait till I get home at 5:30 est 🪦

[languid ravine]

Quick glance at Hunter PvP channel: they are discussing 20 year old RTS games or some shit

[spring bough]

I’m going all sockets first then extra shadow flames

[surreal barn]

lol me too but my wife said I’m an asshole while I shuffle so I’m only allowed two days a week

[spring bough]

Yeah I need to find an addon that makes me not able to chat in arena before I get myself in trouble again lol

The urge to talk smack is just too great 😂

Guess that’s what the OG vanilla pvp bred was a bunch of smack talkers lol

[jolly sierra]

late with zeiss but damn this is amazing

now i can rid off from cum boots once per all

[surreal barn]

Someone here compared rogue in shuffle as being the maestro of a symphony.

It’s not a musical for me it is straight up herding chickens.

[jolly sierra]

well

sub rogue dances

he is not too wrong

lol

[surreal barn]

I’ll probably just upgrade the scalewarden stuff for more agi

IDK yet

[spring bough]

Just saw this on Twitter and it relates so well to shuffle

[untold remnant]

Where was this?

[austere thorn]

Yall using sophic devotion or shadowflame for wep enchants on outlaw? Havent queued in weeks

[potent pivot]

People seem to be using either or

[austere thorn]

Yea its hard to check on murlok etc since literally no one plays the spec lol

[spring bough]

I was frozen devo all last season for both weps. Went shadowflame for the MH and Sophic on the OH since I use that for sub too

But saw yesterday shadowflame breaks gouge I believe so thinking I’m going back to frozen devo or another sophic for MH

[shut solstice]

I don’t like mastery as outlaw. It’s just not as fun as crit

[pale storm]

nice, can craft 1 item per week now, going to craft everything then go for sockets

[jolly sierra]

yep, thought the same

[spring bough]

@pale storm did we play a solo shuffle last night? Name rings a bell lol

[pale storm]

hmm IDK?

[spring bough]

Nvm was it was Bluntkilla similar sounding names lol

[surreal barn]

In this channel not too long ago haha

[hidden dome]

I tried healing a single solo shuffle game this season

Not doing that ever again

[languid ravine]

they are the same person

[hidden dome]

How is it in any way balanced that a class can do an instant cast 380k hit

[languid ravine]

idk how not healing is gonna save you from 270k eternity surges but you go

[hidden dome]

Well, I was giving PvP another shot after taking a break from it

But having people get potentially one shot by an instant cast from 70% HP

just tells me that it is not worth ever playing again until they do some major changes

and I'm not even talking about the fact that I played against gladiators in Solo Shuffle in my first ever game on a char that never did SS before

[languid ravine]

I remember when the devs claimed, " bla bla less bursty damage profiles lulululul and CC changes somehow help with that too kek "

does anyone else remember or am I making this up

[hidden dome]

They said that. They also said they didn't want random proc death-touch at the end of BfA

and now we have current Ench

[languid ravine]

its fine, just go boomkin

press 4 buttons, win

makes RET paladin look hard to play honestly

[hidden dome]

I have a better idea and that is to not touch PvP for 2-3 months

and if the inflation is as strong as they claim then getting rewards should be easy at that point

[stoic spruce]

I like that

[hidden dome]

I never had less fun in PvP than in this current season. I'm only going for rewards this season and for that I will take the road of least resistence.

[stoic spruce]

I had less fun in S4 SL tbh

new season but no new rewards? pretty cringe

[hidden dome]

Well true

I didn't even bother with season 4

[spring bough]

Next patch July 11 still patiently waiting rogue talent updates…. Blizz you have 20 days lmao

[shut solstice]

Wait it’s on 11th??

[stoic spruce]

allegedly

[hidden dome]

Well, I hope you are right. Even without rogue changes, gives me more things to do that aren't pvp

[languid ravine]

Remember Bfa last patch where you could spent 80 hours to make your character weaker in PvP by farming sockets? what a time

[surreal barn]

I mean even in awc they were straight up choosing to burst over cc cause boomie is such a powerhouse

Waiting for dampening just to make a play is kinda lame to watch

[jolly sierra]

yeah

i recall the exploiter saying that

and blizzard ended admiting the mistake

[spring bough]

Blizz tweeted it out. July 11 it is. We better see some changes this week

I just have a feeling it’s going to be “didn’t have time. Next patch. Here’s a 5% overall dmg inc” done deal lol

[jolly sierra]

rextroy, that was the name

[hidden dome]

If the patch hits on the 11th then either it ships without rogue changes or the rogue changes will be unfinished and untested

[shut solstice]

If they say “outlaw +5%” I might reroll

I’ve been combat since vanilla but that would break me

I can only take so much punishment boys

[languid ravine]

you know what they say, +5% of Zero is still Zero

[spring bough]

If they did 5% and undid the season 1 nerfs for outlaw I’d be happy

[languid ravine]

But honestly how can Outlaw be FOURHUNDRED rating behind most other specs

[spring bough]

FTH nerf was so brutal

[languid ravine]

without any hotfixes?

[shut solstice]

The worst thing about that man is the fact that it was so petty

The FTH nerf

Like that was really to just destroy our smooth rotation

The WORST type of nerf

[spring bough]

Yeah it killed one press full CP

Now it’s two press and lose some CP

[scarlet shell]

i forgot fan the hammer got nerfed

[hidden dome]

Outlaw in DF really feels like Blizzard wants to keep outlaw down.

It is really strange

[scarlet shell]

i miss SL Outlaw ffs

[hidden dome]

Same 😦

[shut solstice]

SLS2 outlaw

Remember how it felt to be relevant lol

But it is kinda weird. They keep nerfing us for what?

[scarlet shell]

DF feels like i am playing a budget Sub rogue build without the survivability.

and without the second vanish

[shut solstice]

Maybe we get massive patch notes this Friday

[scarlet shell]

and the second shadowstep

[hidden dome]

Let's hope for it

[copper torrent]

Anyone know if you still have to fill the bar 100% for a charge to get tier gear?

[shut solstice]

You get a charge for just being alive

[wise breach]

You even get it if you're dead!

[jolly sierra]

i wonder how much gold there is in this bag

[wise breach]

Patch on July 11

That probably means no more rogue updates

[hidden dome]

If we don't get any rogue news next month I might just reroll to some FoTM meta class and play for the weapon illusion with that

[tawny kestrel]

so rogue

[copper torrent]

@shut solstice did they just change that?

[sour charm]

They are gonna rework assa soon. Surely. They wouldn't announce changes and then do nothing, right? r-right?

[shut solstice]

They did for this season

[copper torrent]

Okay, sweet

[raven schooner]

Any sub’s have a macro they can send for sod dance cold etc, I’m lazy and not at my computer

[pale storm]

3 weeks until augmentation evokers ruin 3s lol

[last jasper]

They announced 10.1.5 release date?

[spring bough]

Lol solo shuffle going to be 10x more hectic when it’s a non aug team vs an aug team

3-3s inc 😂

[odd mortar]

Can I recraft my ring of titanic insight without the mastery embelllish

I would prefer to use the sporecloak instead

[shut solstice]

July 11th

[quaint cedar]

Yeah DF basically took everything unique away from outlaw and gave it to sub. Gouge, shadowdust, CDR, acrobatic strikes, tankiness, all given to sub.

Sub is the main character of this expac. Best rogue spec in pvp, mythic+, raid. Literally everything.

Been that way for months and now we're 3 weeks away from the patch with no changes

I hope we see at least something this week.

[copper torrent]

Would you guys say 2pce is mandatory on assassination?

[sour charm]

Its mandatory if you want rupture to pull you out of stealth yeah

[wary spire]

@jolly sierra ay yo, do you have this optimize network for speed crap enabled?