whats the point in playing until the end of the season
#pvp
fathom dew
wary spire
whats the point in playing until the end of the season
And then when you think that's the play - they release another broken rework. 
fathom dew
wary spire
Deliciously devilish blizzard!
lucid citrus
Did you try it?
fathom dew
im going back assa for 2s
last jasper
Did you try it?
sec tec is still better. more bursty
jolly sierra
im going back assa for 2s
noice i did that in week 2
worked fine
was after they kicked me from rbg roster lol
dude sp is going fine in SS, clearly the rework is going ok
still waiting for assa reworks kek
last jasper
"rework". dont forget its blizzard
jolly sierra
my ret is happy
surreal barn
So I just messed with that nahj gloom build
Damn lol gloom be hittin for 90k
It’s a weird opener but works
Super consistent since you get all these guaranteed crits
jolly sierra
skillcapped updated the pvp tier list
surreal barn
119k gloomblade @jolly sierra
lol and you get it every time I am totally running this tomorrow
jolly sierra
dunno how u are getting those gloomblades
mine never passed from 50k when i tried lol
surreal barn
Yeah you incorporate it after built up macabre
And the something veins in the rotten tree
Do a couple shadow strikes from subterfuge then your opener and symbols gloom
tender ferry
Played no sec tec gloomblade weeks ago to 1800. It pumps
It’s not as cheesy as the bullshit duel > 1 shot, but it’s still good
If you dance back to back, your second dance rotten gloomblade will hit like an absolute truck since you’ll have nearly full stacked lingering shadow after the first dance ending
jolly sierra
ah, i always used symbols w shadowstrike in dance
clever blaze
are people not pressing their buttons or do fire mages just instantly kill people atm
grave pier
yo guys
U see when u first open a pvp chest u get like
free conq and honor upgrade
any chance u get those upgrades pre hitting 60?
jolly sierra
no way
grave pier
right so i hit 60
but haven't got a chest yet
and can't get it from arena skirmish
cuz i already did it
queen geyser
When your burst is so shit that the monk has to finish people off your "pressure"
vocal surge
Ooof
harsh steppe
gm
harsh steppe
what songs? always looking for new music to check out. i'm still learning & trying the best i can, but tbh no, i'm still 1k =/ think i just have to accept at this point that I'm just an awful player
minor cape
If you dance back to back, your second dance rotten gloomblade will hit like an ...
saw that shit
on reddit
wanted to try today
should also mention
perforated veins
🤪
the real question is why drop sec tech still
imagine this but also sec tech
🤔🤔🤔
vocal surge
what songs? always looking for new music to check out. i'm still learning & tryi...
Rogue's pretty hard to play this season with all the nerfs we've gotten and the lack of buffs/compensation
harsh steppe
maybe
minor cape
rn looking for Death Metal type of songs or Metalcore
can i recommend killswitch engage and all that remains or is that something you already know
harsh steppe
check out Otep too
minor cape
harsh steppe
blood pigs
vocal surge
Im still in shallow water in that genre
minor cape
killswitch - my curse, rose of sharyn, my last serendae, reject yourself, in due time
all that remains - this calling, six, two weeks
harsh steppe
killswitch 100% for sure
vocal surge
Aye
vocal surge
harsh steppe
oh yah, as i lay dying 100% as well
vocal surge
I mean I know Infant Annihilator but first time hearing Death
harsh steppe
norma jean is a bit more screamo but you may like them, they are amazing
minor cape
infant annihilator was my first death metal band too lol
vocal surge
Shadow of Intent for me got me down into this path
minor cape
you like suicide silence? they slap sometimes
vocal surge
Also Metallica had me head nodding at work, almost falling asleep
Which made me look for something stronger
minor cape
metallica probably sounded like rings of saturn to people in the 80s lol
vocal surge
Yeee lol
I still dont understand how people like it still
I find it extremely stale and slow paced
minor cape
i can listen to it from time to time
but not for having that metal energy boost
just for nostalgia i guess
vocal surge
Whatever is fast paced
vocal surge
Been listening to Within Destruction if that gives you an idea
minor cape
songs like Broken Cross maybe
also man
cant underestimate bring me the horizon
Chelsea Smile is cool
older bmth i mean
vocal surge
Gonna check her out
rn listening to Killswitch Engage
Rose of Sharyn is really good
My Curse is kinda slow lol
minor cape
didnt know you wanted fast at that point
my curse and reject yourself are kinda chill
minor cape
If you dance back to back, your second dance rotten gloomblade will hit like an ...
tried that - got about 130k of gblade + perfo
is that damage about right?
🤔
oh god....
i forgot about lingering
damn
two dances on dummy - so that gloom hit for 160k + shadowblades, thats pretty good tho
last jasper
I’m not sure keeping both gloom and sec tec is the best way to go
copper maple
rn looking for Death Metal type of songs or Metalcore
Death metal type of metalcore. Ain't that deathcore?
last jasper
U intentionally limit ur burst by decreasing dance duration
In order to have sec tec
last jasper
Definitely should
vocal surge
Death metal type of metalcore. Ain't that deathcore?
I'll take Deathcore too lol but ye
twin burrow
i can only get 1/2 dance duration with gloom .. am i deaf blind or dum
and I don't play sectec, I don't like the complexity and the wide range of damage it can do. Good old reliable evis
Im weird tho, i played assa no ER and I also enjoy DFA 🫠
surreal barn
DFA is probably good vs the pesky mages and MM hunts
untold remnant
Everytime I get a lobby with a BM hunter, I just lose.. how do you play vs. that?
It's back to BM, Ret and Demo locks again in every lobby
Might as well just try to one shot healers, cause nothing dies
surreal barn
You can force his bubble pretty fast
untold remnant
But then I get rekt by the BM pets
surreal barn
If your partner can’t deal the deeps it’s a tough one
untold remnant
They rape me so hard, even with evasion
Maybe I just had bad luck with healers, both were just not topping me off, and when I shadowstep them for heals, they just ran away >_>
digital crypt
Is it a waste to blind or cheap shot a pet?
Cause I was also getting hammered by BM yesterday
surreal barn
The only way to solve this is to give rogues plate
untold remnant
If your partner can’t deal the deeps it’s a tough one
I think it's this. I need people to do damage. In some lobbies, they just don't ;o
last jasper
i can only get 1/2 dance duration with gloom .. am i deaf blind or dum
Neither of both. With standard rotten u can have only 1/2 dance duration.
twin burrow
thanks, yeah..
minor cape
still dunno
tested sec tech no gloom vs no sec tech gloom. Can get +1s dance on both if you want to. Still do more with sec tech build
both rotten
like that gloom no sec tech is kind of a trade off
where you deal more sustain but less burst idk
also that lingering shadow thing with gloom wont always work since y know
you dont always double dance
twin burrow
as long as im never 0/2 duration
minor cape
i normally play 0/2 on duration but decided to test this, prefer shield as it allows me to be more aggressive
vanish on 5% health then get back in right away lolo
last jasper
where you deal more sustain but less burst idk
That’s the point of it
twin burrow
wow GB does hit hard , free stack of danse too
last jasper
But taking both gloom and sec tec, what for? Sec tec gives you like 100k max more dam than evis. Good part of that dam u compensate by having longer dance. Plus u still need to drop something else, like prolly step range/cd.
To have like what, ~50k more dam at best on a go?
twin burrow
mastery and other secondary stats diminish right,
It seems like ilvl is the way to go once your at like 80+ mast
minor cape
To have like what, ~50k more dam at best on a go?
thing is its more
step cd is less good in rotten
sec tech would hit 2.5 times harder than evis
and its a quicker burst than +1s of dance
but honestly
what we are talking about here is mostly preference
last jasper
thing is its more
If u want more. U just pick standard rotten with sec tech. And that’s it
minor cape
yeah thats what i do
🤔🤔
was just thinking about putting in a gloom there somehow
but looks like not
surreal barn
lol I did the gloomblade opener but instead of cb Evisc I did CB DFA
It’s gonna slap vs a mage
ESP since it’s extra macabre
minor cape
it kinda wastes your dance time
twin burrow
not if its your last global of dance
DFA i like because u can gimp CC with it, and also while ur inthe air ur GCD refreshes and u hit the hard lingering shadow GB as you hit the DFA
surreal barn
I thought the same thing but it’s done by the time your GCD is
surreal barn
Surprised it fit in there tbh
twin burrow
ive had wonky DFA where they alter or port or double shimmer and its really worth and funny
its like .25 secs if that u have to wait
so normal global XD
thorn fiber
Now there is no way to get the pvp set of the 1st season, just wait for the next addon?
vocal surge
How's Diablo 4
minor cape
I thought the same thing but it’s done by the time your GCD is
thats pretty cool
didnt know!
definitely feels more
topaz cedar
How's Diablo 4
v fun
odd mortar
I’m level 55 lol
untold remnant
its like .25 secs if that u have to wait
I had the weirdest interaction in an RBG: got ported by a lock as I used DFA on a mage, who used double blink and I ended up flying from the port, through a house and ended on top of the mage without a disconnect
twin burrow
damn, did you have to pay for damages to the house?
vocal surge
Nah, no free real estate
vocal surge
I had the weirdest interaction in an RBG: got ported by a lock as I used DFA on ...
Fun fact about the lock ports
If you grapple perfectly during the port, you instantly teleport to the grappling hook's intended location
Bypassing the environment
twin burrow
I want to do psychedelics and DFA thru some sht
odd mortar
lets do it today?
twin burrow
no drugas
sick siren
I've been taking a vacation for a while now from wow, sub > sin currently? Ik at the start of the xpac everyone thought sin was king but man I wasn't a fan
topaz cedar
I had the weirdest interaction in an RBG: got ported by a lock as I used DFA on ...
I miss bfa
used to fuck around in world pvp by using that necklace power where you'd have a delayed teleport, and gun it to an enemy, press dfa and itd pop me a million miles away after the jump up, was an on-demand intercontinental ballistic missile
jolly sierra
Did you get all your rating back
never lose anything tbh, i was w my alt warr doing shit w better mmr than my rating lol
surreal barn
Did you get all your rating back
Still sit 1750, gonna surpass it on alt rogue so I don’t feel bad tanking that one 😂
Did a couple shuffle with no sec tec today
Felt good
copper maple
I'll take Deathcore too lol but ye
Not much of a deathcore guy myself, but I sometimes enjoy bands like Spite and latest Lorna Shore. Also Whitechapel, though they aren't that much deathcore these days (but I like it).
austere pawn
solo shuffle is really unplayable
44 minutes queue, somebody leaves after 2 rounds and you get 10 rating
orchid temple
Any more thoughts on sub post-nerfs? Still best melee?
orchid temple
thankss x
jolly sierra
played rbgs today
and had a rsham afking in mid when was clear
in my team
was the flag in front of him and did nothing xd
last jasper
Any more thoughts on sub post-nerfs? Still best melee?
mate, r u trolling or what?
jolly sierra
SUB IS NOW THE BEST SPEC LETS GOOOOOOOOO
last jasper
The hell is this ui bliz?)
last jasper
SUB IS NOW THE BEST SPEC LETS GOOOOOOOOO
U sure? 😂
jolly sierra
The hell is this ui bliz?)
that fkn ui bugs a lot for me
in a SS round i lose cuz my tiger palm + emblem macro bugged
so i didn't palmed anything
last jasper
that fkn ui bugs a lot for me
Lmao. I’ve never seen this before.
topaz cedar
i mean sub probably is the best melee rn no?
jolly sierra
no its outlaw
topaz cedar
i think you may have a pipe leak in your home
jolly sierra
see
jolly sierra
i think you may have a pipe leak in your home
cum boots
tawny kestrel
dont make those dog shit boots ever
fang adornments is prob bis if u want a damage embellishment
jolly sierra
dont make those dog shit boots ever
blame my former RBG leader which forced me to do something for week 1
tawny kestrel
u gotta stop with ur rbg shit bro ngl
u have to be playing with some absolote demons
if they are FORCING you to do shit
jolly sierra
was my guild
tawny kestrel
tell them to trust you to make the correct decisions
jolly sierra
even after they kicked me i checked than they had one guy leaving
tawny kestrel
so fking dumb when idiots who have no clue what they are talking about say dumb shit
jolly sierra
dunno tbh i wanted keep the spark
tawny kestrel
if u have no clue about a class u should be hard banned from talking about it
unless u crafted them LITERALLY day one
jolly sierra
and just did @ in discord to check if we had stuff done
tawny kestrel
they were never good
jolly sierra
no, for rated week 1
tawny kestrel
do u play eu or na
jolly sierra
eu
tawny kestrel
what mmr do u rbg at
tawny kestrel
are u willing to learn and get high in rbg or do u not care
tawny kestrel
ok
tawny kestrel
if u dont wanna actually play rbg then dont worry about it
tawny kestrel
if u actually want to get into rbg and play with ppl who arent completely lost i can get u in
but if u just play for cap its whatever
topaz cedar
if u dont wanna actually play rbg then dont worry about it
does anyone actually wanna play rbg
jolly sierra
if u actually want to get into rbg and play with ppl who arent completely lost i...
can consider it someday, ty for the option
topaz cedar
ive never played in the bracket but i imagine it must be pretty cancer, not even just in terms of actual gameplay but surely the mmr dries up and you're playing the same teams over and over really quick no? not to mention toxicity
tawny kestrel
it used to be better, but ye its quite dead since shadowlands season 3
we had some nice tournaments early in shadowlands
but other than that it was quite dead
tawny kestrel
same bro
jolly sierra
i wonder how they are going
tawny kestrel
hate base maps but gotta play if u wanna win
topaz cedar
idk why they did what they did to poor old deepwind gorge
jolly sierra
but wasn't too good tho if had one leaving guild
topaz cedar
where the god damn cart go
jolly sierra
dunno why they did that to deepwind tbh
tawny kestrel
deepwind was pretty shit before too but the new version takes the prize for the worst bg ever made
jolly sierra
i would rather prefer to switch old deepwind for seething tbh
topaz cedar
i wanna see rated ashran
tawny kestrel
pls no
topaz cedar
i wanna see it kill the game overnight
tawny kestrel
blizzard is killing pvp just fine by themselves
still having done fuck all about mmr
completely lostd
lost*
jolly sierra
is still hard capped?
topaz cedar
hear me out, at this point balance is a shitshow anyway
bring back 5v5
5 chicken comp
jolly sierra
how much?
tawny kestrel
its a fact that more inflated seasons have a higher number of participants
topaz cedar
was 5v5 just removed for wintrading then or
tawny kestrel
idk
jolly sierra
btw
indiscriminate carnage is very good for rbgs, can say that
tried that randomly and did a mass silence w full dots
tawny kestrel
jolly sierra
yeah im a little dumb
topaz cedar
and so the dog attacked the cat,,
surreal barn
For rbgs it is worth learning how to TC and just make your own group of friends
jolly sierra
he is a little catty
tawny kestrel
theres no such thing as a designated target caller in rbg
only shit groups have taht
that*
but knowing how to call stuff as a rogue is important yeah
topaz cedar
fellas i think dps dks are reaching new levels of sadness
why is the top 3s dk blood
surreal barn
you can easily TC on the war
surreal barn
When I ran bgs with new guys I felt like the target calling was necessary till they spoke up on their own but yeah you all should be talking
tawny kestrel
yeah ofc
topaz cedar
can u ninjacap by urself like in 10.0 as rog?
Nah
surreal barn
Gotta duo or be a killer
tawny kestrel
you've never been able to solo ninja a base by urself unless u are facing droolers
topaz cedar
you've never been able to solo ninja a base by urself unless u are facing droole...
i think they mean if they only leave 1 person defending
topaz cedar
yea.. i got that, hence my response
tawny kestrel
unless u are 1v1 for 2 minutes
jolly sierra
the guy said "WHY U DIDN'T BLINDED AND CAPPED THE FLAG?"
wary spire
Blizz installed an anti drooler protection.
topaz cedar
blind aint long enough
jolly sierra
i was just saying "do u know how much time does blind stays now?"
tawny kestrel
was the same before the cc nerf
jolly sierra
the guy was saying "YEAH I KNOW I CAN SHOW U I CAN"
topaz cedar
was the same before the cc nerf
wdym
wary spire
Although I managed to get it ninjad after the nerd. Dude stayed riiight at the flag.
tawny kestrel
u couldnt get a base 1v1 before cc nerf either
once again, unless u were vs droolers
topaz cedar
sap -> cap -> blind trinket -> cap again worked vs most specs no?
wary spire
sap -> cap -> blind trinket -> cap again worked vs most specs no?
Not with pets.
tawny kestrel
sure if u are facing some1 who has no idea what theyre doing
jolly sierra
and not now
topaz cedar
Not with pets.
ya thats why i said most
wary spire
They also could stay really far away.
topaz cedar
They also could stay really far away.
Yeah but we're talking "could"
tawny kestrel
unless u are vs ppl who cannot do 2+2
jolly sierra
i had one guy today in mid of eos
which was like afk even after was alone
w flag available at side
was in rated
not kidding
wary spire
My most proud cap was when I haven't even sapped the gurard. They were just looking somewhere else I guess.
surreal barn
Idk man a lot of people suck even up at high rbgs
jolly sierra
if is like raz said
surreal barn
Sometimes it’s worth to shoot yer shot
jolly sierra
then i've never been in high cr rbgs
topaz cedar
I mean i just feel like if someone asks "can you still ninja cap after cc changes" and your response is to go "you never could" you're kinda not answering the question
jolly sierra
cuz at least with roster i've been we had one guy ninjacapping the other base
as tact
xd
tawny kestrel
anytihng is possible against noobs
as soon as u face people who have a clue
it gets harder
true for every bracket
wary spire
I mean i just feel like if someone asks "can you still ninja cap after cc change...
Well, it's more like a "can you win 1 mil at a casino".
Technically you can!
topaz cedar
anytihng is possible against noobs
But it's no longer possible to cc chain someone next to the flag to guarantee cap which was the question
topaz cedar
Well, it's more like a "can you win 1 mil at a casino".
what an incredibly strange response
wary spire
Thanks!
tawny kestrel
But it's no longer possible to cc chain someone next to the flag to guarantee ca...
dont think anyone asked that
topaz cedar
I mean i just feel like if someone asks "can you still ninja cap after cc change...
was that not what you were asking? @jolly sierra
jolly sierra
was that not what you were asking? <@239851547935113216>
"can you ninjacap by urself in this patch like in 10.0?"
topaz cedar
thats the same question tho right?
tawny kestrel
https://youtu.be/vxe_A2yABO0?t=5857 u can always do this
jolly sierra
thats the same question tho right?
dunno
topaz cedar
i mean the only relevant things that changed in that area is the cc changes lmao
jolly sierra
wtf u are there
odd mortar
??
jolly sierra
no i say about raz in the vid
jolly sierra
https://youtu.be/vxe_A2yABO0?t=5857 u can always do this
well, that work sometimes lol ngl
then the victim goes chastised by their team
tawny kestrel
yes believe or not
im a 3 time method mayhem rbg champion
its pretty cool i know
jolly sierra
yee
and u are top 1 outlaw in EU
lol
i have another question now
how much does increase 510 agi to the spell dmg? in %?
i talk about the infurious boots
tawny kestrel
u gotta add in the 25% from the trinket bonus
its about 640 agi
definitely best embellishment
surreal barn
Damn that’s nuts
surreal barn
I was almost hota and missed it
tawny kestrel
its about 1.5x better than a mastery embellishment
so always best to have the infurious boots
jolly sierra
gotcha
surreal barn
I really haven’t done rbgs since before shadowlands is it as time consuming forming up as it use to be
chrome schooner
if you do the math like that it ends up being a worst overall dmg buff than the boots that proc nature dmg
(well not in rbg tho)
tawny kestrel
have u tried fang adornments
trimaz linked me a ss of some TR thing
seems pretty good
hs
envenom damage is pathetic tho
tawny kestrel
if you do the math like that it ends up being a worst overall dmg buff than the ...
meant for sub obv
tawny kestrel
envenom is a terrible spell atm
eh
ik u love running ct
dont agree with it but ye
chrome schooner
well i've been doing that
and also playing w.o it to get to pb
it depends what you face I'd say
but ct definitely is more raw dmg
surreal barn
That’s actually a lot of dam, worth swapping out that mastery one imo
surreal barn
Is the fang a dot?
tawny kestrel
well i've been playing a bit of assa affli
fair enoughj
chrome schooner
but I mostly like ct because as you said envenom dmg is just a joke
tawny kestrel
Is the fang a dot?
no just a dmg proc
tawny kestrel
but I mostly like ct because as you said envenom dmg is just a joke
could def use a lil buff
chrome schooner
I really like AR + poison bomb and pressing envenom
jolly sierra
think im gotta check 2m ptr testing with the fang
jolly sierra
after this
jolly sierra
sounds very intresting
fine, gotta test as assa then
lets see, think i have enough conq in retail to copy to ptr to make a 450
currency does copy too lol
chrome schooner
about that tho, it really isn't nerfed in pvp then?
tawny kestrel
doesnt seem like it
chrome schooner
why didn't we play that in S1, looks pretty competitive with whatever lariat was giving in pvp
chrome schooner
I see
jolly sierra
care if i check the results here with 2m pvp dummy?
is just to check the dmg from the fangs itself
tawny kestrel
no dont do that
jolly sierra
= (
tawny kestrel
u arent allowed to
jolly sierra
chrome schooner
well that seems KINDA better than the boots then
jolly sierra
im checking in now
chrome schooner
what about the shadowflame proc thing?
tawny kestrel
what about the shadowflame proc thing?
embellishment is nerfed in pvp as well
nothing is better for damage proc than fang
tawny kestrel
enchant idk if worth still not convinced
jolly sierra
wasn't too good
tawny kestrel
idc about ptr
everything got nerfed after ptr
its irrelevant
u gotta test on live
tawny kestrel
wym before nerfs
jolly sierra
live ones
tawny kestrel
what embellishment are u on about
jolly sierra
the shadowflame one u were talking about
tawny kestrel
ah
jolly sierra
dunno about the enchant, at least for me its fine
cuz it procs from dots
and the dmg isn't bad
idle coyote
Whats the cap worth of mas for sub pvp?
I can reach 100%
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/522277286024708098/1116504827111936051/image.png
jolly sierra
1075 conq, can craft ones at 450 ilvl to test
idle coyote
I meant, there's a point where upping a stat no longer increases the damage as much
tall marsh
rocky minnow
tall marsh
I think it works for any class but i found that in another rogue channel
idle coyote
This is just what I needed, ty
idle coyote
I have 5409 mas and 6214 vers, Im capped lol I think just gonna upgrade my items and thats all
should i get now crt or haste for sub?
tall marsh
crit for sure
potent pivot
I have 5409 mas and 6214 vers, Im capped lol I think just gonna upgrade my items...
you're not capped just because you've hit the DR
there are no real "stat caps" in wow
tall marsh
Well, there is some, but they all r PvE based
potent pivot
even in pve there are no "stat caps"
tall marsh
Like softcaps for casters for example
potent pivot
ye the way haste affects casters n shit is a little bit different
idle coyote
ye the way haste affects casters n shit is a little bit different
so having 7k+ mastery still worth?
tall marsh
Sure
potent pivot
so having 7k+ mastery still worth?
once you've gone far enough into the DRs there's typically a fine line where you'd start wanting more of another stat
but historically you can do very well with sub or even assa lately by stacking vers/mastery
tall marsh
I think it worth thinking around 20% DR
potent pivot
it's a little harder to quantify because there are no sims for pvp
tall marsh
If blizz will buff base evis damage at some point so we will not be forced to play sectech bullshit, probably someone will try to go some crit with 4p
I mean not fullcrit, but crit above vers after getting like 30-35%
And mastery bis ofc
I wonder if someone tryied play SL style with repriment+finality buld+4p and 3-4 evis in go and no sectech
Smth like this and 4p
chrome schooner
I mean there is no point
chrome schooner
Even with 4P sectec does more damage than a finality empowered evis
Why would you try to play without it just to spam evis instead when you could replace one of those evis by sectec and do twice the damage
tall marsh
Is it tho? I got 110-120k crits with no finality+daggers
It should kinda come close to ST but u can do more evises in one go
tall marsh
darkbrew or flag sectech?
tall marsh
I like play rotten alot, and with rotten ST feels so bad
chrome schooner
Well, again
tall marsh
ALso it splits damage and cant be used close to cced target
chrome schooner
Why does it feel bad, it's legit the same as pressing evis but it deals more dmg
It doesn't split the dmg
tawny kestrel
ALso it splits damage and cant be used close to cced target
it splits damage?
what universe do you live in
chrome schooner
No
tall marsh
I just ST hatere
chrome schooner
He lives in the "I reaaaaally wanna play without it" universe :p
chrome schooner
Well dude
tawny kestrel
i dont understand why ppl hate secret tech so much
chrome schooner
And be happier I guess
tall marsh
Cuz when u cast it above 1800 there is WA popping out and MW presses green dragon button
tawny kestrel
chrome schooner
I mean you have sectec every 30s or so
chrome schooner
Delay 45 if you want cb
Revival is 1.5 min
SURELY you can accept a 1.5 min cd being used for a 30s CD of yours ?
Else you actually hate every single offensive cd
People trade in this game
Else they lose
tall marsh
I cant accept the concept of playing around 3 30 sec buttons
chrome schooner
What
tawny kestrel
this one*
jolly sierra
wut
surreal barn
The nahj one without it was hitting massive glooms idk what I like better
jolly sierra
alright tested the fang embellishment
procs more than cum boots and hits a little more
compared
tall marsh
I wish we had melee precog, like if u hit a kick gives u 4 sec cc immune and 15% crit
Wanna see warlock face
After that
jolly sierra
alright just confirmed
fangs indeed hits more overall
the cons
u need gold
or do m+, requieres a wep
surreal barn
You tellin me I have to craft a dagger now smh
jolly sierra
dunno lol
surreal barn
Why gold
jolly sierra
if u dont wanna go m+
weary iris
any recommendations for races to prio for rogue (horde)?
potent pivot
any recommendations for races to prio for rogue (horde)?
races are sorta starting to matter less, but probably still Orc
weary iris
bloodfury looks too powerful
potent pivot
well in pvp race choice isn't about damage
it's mostly about the utility
night elf has shadowmeld so it's really strong, especially for rogue
weary iris
so far night elf, orc and dark iron looked insane
potent pivot
human has racial trinket effect so it can use 2 dps trinkets
weary iris
i read somewhere human trinket shares same cd?
potent pivot
so far night elf, orc and dark iron looked insane
dwarf or dark iron are both really good
potent pivot
i read somewhere human trinket shares same cd?
2 dps trinkets
but human racial has a longer cd iirc so you have to play regular trinket into some comps anyway
imo, if you're willing to go alliance, nelf or dwarf are both better than Orc
potent pivot
Flag is kinda cheese
i was beginning to believe i was the only one who thought this 
jolly sierra
wtf now the fangs are proccing less
unborn blade
what is the smartest way to play sub in pvp with your 4-set?
sharp sierra
I can play a lot
potent pivot
not supposed to use the server as an LFG tool my friend sorry
jolly sierra
u scared him away from server lol
dull plaza
"no memes in general" type of vibes
potent pivot
u scared him away from server lol
i don't think so, but if the only reason someone joins is to LFG then it's not the right server to be in unfortunately 
minor cape
literally 1984
tame nexus
In Kotmogu, something I do drops the orb , i cant figure it out?
not the engineer belt
Is it the new Clos pvp talent by chance?
tame nexus
Thanks
topaz cedar
I want play assa, any tips?
dont queue into dwarves
twin burrow
Trickz fascist af
jolly sierra
we need a revolt
minor cape
pvp chat rule #1 dont ask what trickz was doing between 1939 and 1945
jolly sierra
surreal barn
twin burrow
I think he told me he was on vacation those years
jolly sierra
in argentina
surreal barn
Hey guys there’s a bad storm out here if I die tell the wow devs the only thing I wanted was the duelist enchant
surreal barn
It’s too late for me but mmr inflation isn’t too late for you
jolly sierra
and tell us if u are ok later
minor cape
potent pivot
@jolly sierra @twin burrow 
jolly sierra
potent pivot
jolly sierra
our overlord is here
austere pawn
are people running 4 set for sub, or only 2 set?
potent pivot
are people running 4 set for sub, or only 2 set?
mostly 2p
wary spire
All I do is try to enforce the rules, same as everyone else that orange/green et...
Can I be green? I can be trusted.
I promise to enforce my power only if it's very funny to do so.
stone oriole
Any Sin rogues that are playing 4set, is it worth the loss of mastery for it?
jolly sierra
i have it and can say it worth it
worth like 3k+ dmg in single target at least compared to go raw
jolly sierra
love how AH sells fine the mats
seems like bots are with wm off cuz i didn't seen no one here at least
jolly sierra
dude take a break lol
neon charm
Can I also get this sent? ❤️
umbral bough
Anyone knows at what rating or % does mastery starts having diminishing in sub rogue?
potent pivot
Anyone knows at what rating or % does mastery starts having diminishing in sub r...
it was shared quite recently
stat DRs are something you rarely need to pay attention to in wow atm
wary spire
dude take a break lol
Yep that's where I'm heading as well lol.
minor cape
farm some gold, i was 370k in the afternoon
teach me lol
jolly sierra
teach me lol
pick both mining and herbalism and spent the knowledge in both the +1 profession skill section where you are allowed to pick shit from mount at first
then spent in the elemental section until u can chose titanic branch and then spend full there
minor cape
yeah thats what im doing lol
minor cape
guess just need more points in titanic
jolly sierra
if u use both a perception and subtlely tool with respective enchants
minor cape
are you using 2 tools in each profession?
a what
jolly sierra
u can force the %
jolly sierra
work orders
minor cape
cool didnt know anything about that lol
jolly sierra
u have a mining pick and a scythe
craft 2 of each, one with perception, one with subtlely
then for example if u pick a elemental node u just switch to the perception tool, if is regular just use the subtlely one
if u wanna force even more the elemental nodes u can get an alchemist which can craft u pots to raise perception
i do them by myself, i would do it for u too but u are in ravencrest F
minor cape
going to be honest i have no idea what any of the mining stats do
what is deftness
what is perception
jolly sierra
perception = increase chances of getting more non-gathering mats, like awakened elements or shit like that
subtlely = increaes more ur chance to get herbs or ores
deftness = decrease ur picking cast time, don't bother
jolly sierra
u welcome
minor cape
im getting rich
minor cape
😎
jolly sierra
also, if u picked the elemental row
minor cape
tbh only things that are worth something rn is rousing ire and titan touched
minor cape
so im leveling titan touched thing
minor cape
epic
minor cape
thats good gold too
minor cape
in swtor i had multiple billions of gold by just knowing the average cost of an item and flipping them on auction
gotta learn that in wow too
lol
jolly sierra
that is the third world strategy
picking mats and sell them raw
instead crafting
lol
in wow works well
cuz everybody wants mats to do their shit
so it sells very fast
jolly sierra
yeah lol
btw try to get an alchemist to do r3 perception pots for u
cuz they gives +50 stat
try to get a friend for that, to secure the r3 and do a lot of shit w multicrafting
minor cape
🫡 op strats
wary spire
Lol even with me eating 1-5 recently I'm top 1081 sub rogue in EU.
And if I stayed at 1580 rating I'd be top 800.
minor cape
i dont really shuffle much
im 600 tho
but last season i was 1000 with 200 more cr
🤔
bro why tf is 2000cr top 100
wary spire
That's kinda stroking my ego a bit. Top-1000-not-really is pretty big.
I'm creme de la creme with my challanger 1
minor cape
i got to admit, i've been top 100 with 1750cr at the start of last season but i think that doesn't mean shit
lol
not start but a month in
or a couple weeks
you could kinda snowball mmr last season
this one not much
minor cape
this seasons mmr is so fucked
i mean for real tho, that mmr snowball thing makes total sense for shuffle, why remove
wary spire
I want the damn mog and be done with it 
People were reee-ing that shuffle was killing lfg.
So they killed shuffle as well 
wary spire
People would complain that rewards are losing their meaning! Hurr dürr df season 2 Gladiator means nothing!11
People will always complain. But I want to complain with my freebie stuff!
Blizz gib mog!
But yeah after getting to 1300 from 0 in like 2 hours I think I'll stick to 2v2 for now. 2600 in another 2 hours here I gooo
Just need to catch panda. 
tribal phoenix
What is the one streamer/yt channel you'd recommend for someone to learn arena as rogue from zero? I don't really vibe with Whazz even though I'm told he is really good
minor cape
What is the one streamer/yt channel you'd recommend for someone to learn arena a...
nahj, palumour, pikaboo
and raz (he hangs out here sometimes)
tribal phoenix
Any of those educational focused?
minor cape
palumour has some guides
nova hill
Raz did a really nice one for 10.5
#nosimp
tribal phoenix
Pikaboo a bit too hyper for me
Raz it is then
I just feel like it's not hard to find good rogues but rare they are educational on a regular basis
minor cape
yeah thats true
tribal phoenix
Hard to grasp stuff at such high ratings for my 1.3k brain
minor cape
ask around in this chat too, really helped me
there are some good rogue players there
not me tho, but i can help with basics i guess lol
nova hill
Imo rogue needs a lot of gameplay, too many situational skills, and u need a lot of awareness for your surroundings
I tried it, got to 1,3k, but im far too dumb for rogue, so i switched back to disc
Just stayed here cause its a very nice and funny dc
tribal phoenix
Thanks 👍 anything comes to mind regarding learning rogue mage 2v2? Would like to carry that from rogue pov
Disc is fun, harder for me tho 😳
minor cape
Thanks 👍 anything comes to mind regarding learning rogue mage 2v2? Would like t...
most of the time you sap main target -> cheap healer -> kidney main target -> mage polymorphs healer -> burst main target
so you force cooldowns and trinkets
then you wait for DRs and do smth like this again
repeat until they have no cds and die
thats the script
dont get too discouraged if you happen to have a losestreak cause double dps is not that good in 2s. RM is viable tho
just hard
tribal phoenix
What's the reasoning behind sap main target?
Sap healer cheap target seems simpler
minor cape
so that you dont fuck up mages sheep DR
also so that your opener cannot be disrupted
you generally want to let mage sheep without fucking up the dr
harsh steppe
gm
tribal phoenix
Just got home and realized the Raz videos you mentioned are all assa and I'm sub
topaz cedar
Will xaryu ever stop taking Ls
Guy nolifes classic wow and then supports that guy who was like "leave the kids alone then" in response to a video of people assaulting lgbt protesters lol
wintry dew
tawny kestrel
Guy nolifes classic wow and then supports that guy who was like "leave the kids ...
maybe not it for the pvp channel homie
topaz cedar
irl pvp
tawny kestrel
just cus someone disagrees with your opinion doesn’t mean they’re wrong
last jasper
Guy nolifes classic wow and then supports that guy who was like "leave the kids ...
You contradict yourself.
topaz cedar
just cus someone disagrees with your opinion doesn’t mean they’re wrong
? lol
tawny kestrel
what
topaz cedar
your response is as if he just said "kids shouldnt learn about lgbt"
last jasper
his response was quite straightforwrd. And he is right. This is not for pvp channel
chrome reef
I get you're doing the right thing Beep but, you're really opening a can of worms that might cause some shit, also ye its a pvp channel.
proven kayak
your response is as if he just said "kids shouldnt learn about lgbt"
yea maybe they shouldnt
chrome reef
yea maybe they shouldnt
Exactly what my comment meant about starting unnecessary shit
last jasper
yep 😄
proven kayak
😄 ikr
topaz cedar
reading comp is hard on god
obsidian moon
Guy nolifes classic wow and then supports that guy who was like "leave the kids ...
”nolifes classic” the guy is making more money than u will ever do playing that game
topaz cedar
Okay..? Never accused the guy of being broke
wanton breach
Holinka left wow?
no place for PvP Pauls
tribal bay
Guy nolifes classic wow and then supports that guy who was like "leave the kids ...
i think that says more about retail than xaryu
surreal barn
Magedisarmer discord name available, who will be the first to take it @minor cape @jolly sierra
minor cape
im good
surreal barn
😂
fathom dew
Sub rogue in 2s feels so bad without a mage
minor cape
Sub rogue in 2s feels so bad without a mage
try sub destro, sub disc or sub ret
sub disc basically is one of the best comps rn
harsh steppe
Were you a mage in exodus at one point?
nah
fathom dew
Started playing surv disc and the quality of life is significantly better
minor cape
with disc you mostly play brew and shit
minor cape
for a more sustained approach and higher burst
in price of less goes i guess
i mean brew path
also flagelation is pretty popular
while with double dps you 100% play rotten
fathom dew
Flag does still seem solid
minor cape
shit is super deflated so 1650 is not even bad i guess lol
fathom dew
Right. 2s deflation is gross but better than waiting in 40 min solo qs
minor cape
same reason i do 2s
fathom dew
I’m fortunate enough to have a competent disc priest for 2s
untold remnant
These shuffle queue times man >_>
sharp pumice
Shiv off enrages, dismantle to blunt his offense goes or to prevent bloodthirst during enraged regen
surreal barn
I’ll give it a go
surreal barn
I was already shiving but tbh I haven’t been running disarm
Probably should vs them
untold remnant
Well was a good day. Dropped from 2060 to 1890 :d
jolly sierra
Magedisarmer discord name available, who will be the first to take it <@22931492...
i didnt in day 1 F
last jasper
Probably should vs them
Just kill his teammate
😂
jolly sierra
fury is a bad target in SS anyways
light estuary
havent been online for a week, how are the sub rogue nerfs? feeling bad or good?
harsh steppe
barely noticeable
jolly sierra
@last jasper
and good shit, seems than dragonriding updates were true for old mounts
i'll be happy farming plants w wm on
wary spire
A pig will get dragonriding before rog gets any changes 
jolly sierra
A pig will get dragonriding before rog gets any changes <:angery:433318454502752...
XD
pig dismounting players in midair
last jasper
<@177484884070236162>
Yea, if I’m not wrong. The price increase was supposed to be in July 😂
jolly sierra
at least is reverted lol
harsh steppe
when i'm spamming sap to find a hunter or something at beginning of match, do i need to spam target nearest enemy? i've been doing that forever but i'm wondering if i can just spam sap
last jasper
at least is reverted lol
O shit. I’m dumb 😂
jolly sierra
kek
last jasper
Well, I’m actually surprised they did.
Any way, Sony is extending my 10$ psn sub like 3 month in a raw. I’ve never asked them. They just send me an email each month that they renew it with no cost
jolly sierra
they did mr krabs shut up tho
harsh steppe
also what's more important to be hyper aware of, shiv, shadowy duel, or my HP?
i have 4 areas on my screen that are my "hyper focused" areas that are WAs where it's super obvious what i have on cooldown/the status of, and i keep switching one of these areas
jolly sierra
Any way, Sony is extending my 10$ psn sub like 3 month in a raw. I’ve never aske...
lol
they found u a loyal client
unborn portal
last jasper
lol
Nah. They didn’t announce this, but they extend it if u cancel ur sub on Ukrainian account.
jolly sierra
and plays without care for anything
jolly sierra
Nah. They didn’t announce this, but they extend it if u cancel ur sub on Ukraini...
what
tacit crane
What's gear prio after weapons?
harsh steppe
rings/neck
last jasper
what
Yea, so basically if u have active sub(paid) and then u cancel it. By the time it’s about to expire they I’ll extend it. And receive email from them saying “"Due to the circumstances we add 30 days of psn for free”.
jolly sierra
tbh i don't get the real reason to keep u for free
last jasper
And they are doing this for almost a year. Cuz I saw ppl shared this on Reddit last year
pale storm
Rings and neck aren’t really an upgrade for sub unless you are crafting the vers/mastery 450 pvp ilvl ones. The green vers/mastery rings with sockets have more mastery, same with blue pvp neck.
harsh steppe
ahh mb
pale storm
That’s just my opinion though, the obsidian glad ones provide far more vers
I would definitely spam a target enemy player cast sap spammable macro, stops you sapping pets etc
harsh steppe
I would definitely spam a target enemy player cast sap spammable macro, stops yo...
ohhh
pale storm
I changed my tab target to only tab through enemy players also for that reason
last jasper
tbh i don't get the real reason to keep u for free
Well, they say due to war. But prolly don’t want ppl to scam them, so they just add it silently to whoever canceled it. Cuz maybe he can’t afford it anymore.
harsh steppe
?
jolly sierra
Well, they say due to war. But prolly don’t want ppl to scam them, so they just ...
nice reason
so when war is done
pale storm
As for your question about importance of things, watching your health, energy and combo points, watching enemy diminishing returns + enemy/teammate big defensives/offensives, SDance duration are high prio imo
jolly sierra
can resub cuz the favor, cuz they felt were treated well
harsh steppe
As for your question about importance of things, watching your health, energy an...
ty
last jasper
can resub cuz the favor, cuz they felt were treated well
Well, basically u forced to anyway. Cuz u need this sub for online at least. Like cod, for example. But yea, they surprised me. The whole response from them actually was quite harsh. They literally removed the store for Russian region
wary spire
Well, basically u forced to anyway. Cuz u need this sub for online at least. Lik...
It's almost poetic that Russia got wow with wotlk and lost it with wotlk classic.
jolly sierra
still recall that night elf with the ushanka when they announced russian servers back in wotlk
in the ads
swift adder
proven kayak
i think 2set
potent pivot
What's gear prio after weapons?
Tier, chest/legs, trinkets if you don’t have them.
potent pivot
rings/neck
wary spire
Ngl i bought a ring.