Is there a way to turn other tier pieces 450?
#pvp
dapper chasm
minor cape
not yet
minor cape
outlaws: 
wary spire
Who's noodler and who's sigma changes every expansion.
tribal bay
i was using some of his stuff but holy fudge he has a lot of stuff on the screen
i turned it all off except his plater profile
minor cape
Are nerfs live cuz I didn’t saw a patch
yes
a little less burst
also some wepmaster nerfs
proven kayak
Ty
wary spire
languid ravine
<:monkaW:675691826505711626>
sheesh, what date is that? "Today at 8:20 PM" isnt exactly definitive
wary spire
It's today today.
As of the timezone - not sure kek.
Twitter
I've updated last night.
dapper chasm
I think that means you're gonna die, bro
wary spire
Thank god
proven kayak
idk what i tem to buy this week with 700 conq
proven kayak
anyone figuted any changes in sub spec for ssr?
strange holly
Are sub still good in pvp after yesterdays nerfs?
proven kayak
It’s playable definitely
languid ravine
latest pikaboo vid got same legendary saps in it
nevermind its not the latest
I meant the 'Wiz destroying..' one
surreal barn
How’s warrior rn
odd mortar
copper maple
When was the last time warrior wasn't good in pvp?
odd mortar
Last night I would pop every cool down I had and wouldn’t do anything to the warrior
It was like he was literally an immune lvl 200 raid boss
I actually clipped it for the lulz
But yeah we are viable 😂
last jasper
idk, is it even worth takin sec tec now. 60k hits is laughable
last jasper
brother, its worth you loggin in to that game
true. But I already did that. Even paid for that
wary spire
idk, is it even worth takin sec tec now. 60k hits is laughable
What had you before?
odd mortar
What gear do you have / stats? You should be able to do more than that
In all seriousness I dont know how good they are, Im just a negative andy currently
last jasper
What gear do you have / stats? You should be able to do more than that
u askin me?
last jasper
What gear do you have / stats? You should be able to do more than that
81mast and 36 vers with 2p and 90mast 38 vers without. Trinket is the last 437 piece
last jasper
What had you before?
Idk, around 80-90
wary spire
Oh wow.
last jasper
Didnt seem to feel much different yesterday, except into specific classes
Idk, I switched back to brew while doing weekly bg quest
odd mortar
I run CDR build
I posted a details snippet above yesterday, it said avg: 90k on secret tech, not sure if I was reading it correctly
And I have less mastery than you
I have longer dance, and two set, I macro dance with everything and on use trinket as well. CB only with secret tech as well.
BUQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFAAAJAAAAAAAQIJJJSCkIJJQCQSSSSScgCJJNEJlkkAQAAAA
#showtooltip Shadow Dance
/stopcasting
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 14
(** I dont include symbols anymore because of 2 set**)
#showtooltip Secret Technique
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Secret Technique
proven kayak
noone plays i have 40mins q zzz
last jasper
I have longer dance, and two set, I macro dance with everything and on use trink...
Yea, i ran cdr build before nerf as well. Idk if it any good after the nerf
odd mortar
It stops anything being done immediatley and starts whats in the macro in the same push
last jasper
I posted a details snippet above yesterday, it said avg: 90k on secret tech, not...
Yea, I found it. Idk, maybe I'm doing smthin wrong. I'm not building macbre stacks, just sending sec tec usually
gleaming pawn
All of those are off the gcd so you don’t need stopcasting
potent pivot
Yea, i ran cdr build before nerf as well. Idk if it any good after the nerf
It is, and so is sec tech tbh
odd mortar
Its just something I use in my macros
Its more beneficial for something like a mage and iceblock etc, I dont think it matters
last jasper
It is, and so is sec tech tbh
Okay, than I need to figure it out, what am I doing wrong having low sec tec's 🙂
But even hitting dummy, my highest is 110 atm
last jasper
omg, if u capped on honor, bg quest wont progress?!
last jasper
🤡 just won 2 with capped honor
last jasper
It doesn’t hit as hard
my problem is it hits 20k less than ppl here say it should hit (
cdr + bargain is still insane tho
wary spire
Survivability is untouched which is nice.
surreal barn
my problem is it hits 20k less than ppl here say it should hit (
cdr + bargain i...
Are you 4pc?
weak tiger
I haven't seen any real differnce, but I just run BGs.
minor cape
my problem is it hits 20k less than ppl here say it should hit (
cdr + bargain i...
if you want to min max your sectech it should go in the end of your dance with macab stacks with long dance talent
then you can do it
however result you are getting is normal
surreal barn
If you want it at the end I suggest getting the extra second of dance too
last jasper
Are you 4pc?
no way man. My 2nd piece is from lfr, lol. full month of shit vault drop
surreal barn
Hmm well I’m at 95% mastery maybe there is a difference
last jasper
With 2p?
surreal barn
Yeah
jolly sierra
so, how is sub going?
wary spire
With legs.
jolly sierra
and in damage?
odd mortar
strongest class in the game
languid ravine
bleh
Do I just take socket?
gloves would be critVERS and the other two are haste vers 
languid ravine
sounds good enough
tawdry cloud
digital crypt
Anyone wanna run some arenas?
jolly sierra
at least the fkn ret 2k4 works for something and u can get picked fasters in group finder lol
surreal barn
Unless he has another pc that would be better tier
surreal barn
Nice
last jasper
😄 moroes banned
wary spire
jolly sierra
what happened
last jasper
filtered my msg
I said, this is so stupid from blizzard, that there 0 source for pvp players to get tier except from vault random
last jasper
what happened
jolly sierra
XDDDD
last jasper
they should make an exception if u insulting blizzard 😄
halcyon timber
XD
jolly sierra
dont or blizzard will cancel u
last jasper
dont or blizzard will cancel u
They wont. Until I pay them 😄
languid ravine
How do I even get 100 Sparks in zaralek?? PvP chest gave nothing and the rares are literally unkillable
jolly sierra
F
got an insta match w my warr against an arms and a 2 dks
ended 4-2
zugzug sexo
last jasper
who went 0-6?
wary spire
I would guess dk.
jolly sierra
some dk
languid ravine
my luck is unreal, I find shuffle match 5 sec after Loot goblin spawns
and then someone cancels
but then queue pops again before the goblin is down
jolly sierra
goblin fault
i was using IC for the rbgs
did a lot of dps and silences w that
felt nice
we won
surreal barn
Anyone else having trouble pushing past 1800 in SS lol
last jasper
cc/mobility
wait for 10.1.5)
odd mortar
wait for 10.1.5)
so your saying dont play a different class lol
harsh steppe
How do I even get 100 Sparks in zaralek?? PvP chest gave nothing and the rares a...
go to the sword icon wherever it is that week on the map & just keep killing/tagging people
last jasper
so your saying dont play a different class lol
didn't get that)
odd mortar
i asked if there are any other classes with a similar play style, you said to wait
last jasper
i asked if there are any other classes with a similar play style, you said to wa...
oh, u meant to try it right now? Than deffinetly wait 10.1.5 for mages 😄
harsh steppe
play mm hunter, super fun
last jasper
i just want something else to play
I play fire mage as my 2nd. But they can really die from hunter breath. Plus they got nerfed this patch as well. and now running with -20% max hp, lol
jolly sierra
play monk
odd mortar
nnono
potent pivot
they should make an exception if u insulting blizzard 😄
It’s actually the opposite, let’s try to keep the insults to a zero =)
wind canopy
can anyone share the sub rogue pvp opener?
harsh steppe
i made a short vid on it if you want i can dm it to ya
wind canopy
yes plz
last jasper
It’s actually the opposite, let’s try to keep the insults to a zero =)
Yea, I notice )
unborn portal
tribal phoenix
i made a short vid on it if you want i can dm it to ya
Me3 please
Question for those of you that both pvp and PvE, how do you deal with nameplates in m+ if you are like me and like the clean default look with just big Debuffs for PvP?
harsh steppe
wym exactly? you use a lot more than just the big debuffs addon
eager mountain
For PVP is better Subtely or Assasin?? O.o
harsh steppe
sub = hard to master, cc like crazy, occasional burst dps
sin = easier to play, dots like crazy, more consistent damage
but you should play what you like
last jasper
the chicken went 1-5
Poor lad
white gazelle
jolly sierra
20% more damage on rupture and crimson tempest as nature and 20% more dmg for 30s after deathmark expires
surreal barn
I had leavers today too
jolly sierra
gratz
surreal barn
Pretty easy kills as rotten
jolly sierra
did he used that spinning jumping punch?
surreal barn
Idk if I just wasn’t getting heals or he just got some kind of luck combo
stoic spruce
any saucy gamers know if theres a weakaura that let sme know if I should reroll RtBs?
I got one :)
jolly sierra
tbh i dont get why rets are using this shit as a 2m cd when u can chose the other instead and have wings every min
isn't that better?
topaz cedar
did the sub nerfs go live?
jolly sierra
yes
topaz cedar
barely even notice flag nerfs tbh
topaz cedar
the world is healing
jolly sierra
chickens feels decent, but manageable, so its ok
topaz cedar
tbh i dont get why rets are using this shit as a 2m cd when u can chose the othe...
also probs depends on comp
if your other dps has consistent 1m cd goes id imagine wrath is better, if not then crusade
jolly sierra
dunno
but can say u
with ret u can have a very full burst every min
with final reckon, wake, toll and a badge
still dont get it, but performed well just using that instead crusade
topaz cedar
also i love how i can win 1st round, enemy dps rqs and i get no conquest even
woooooo time for another 30 minutes in the hopes maybe one day ill be able to work towards getting another item :D
topaz cedar
guy was delusional
doesnt ice block the kyrian + stacked flag go at 40% hp and then starts spamming me about how he wouldve "1v2'd [me and other dps] in bg" and that we're brainless zugzugers
topaz cedar
yea was higher xp bc he was only 2.1 but he just said hed have 1v2d me again and then blocked me
lol
topaz cedar
also i wish they would change shadow techniques lol
makes kyrian so needlessly stressful
jolly sierra
well is obnoxious af, can confirm
at least in assa the only thing u deal with is w seal fate procs
topaz cedar
DUDE
2ND TIME IN A ROW
THEY JUST QUIT
2-0 AND QUIT
2 GAMES, 60 MINUTES IN Q, NO CONQUEST
AND NO LOST ROUNDS
HAHAHAHA
this game is so dog honestly
orchid temple
is sub or sin looking better for next couple months?
and are rogues S-tier rn or bit lower?
woven jolt
Eeeh I wouldn't say they feel like S-tier cuz we die to basically being watched on. but Rogue is very solid like it has always been. Sin is probably gonna edge out Sub as people get the Conquest 4set
sharp sierra
does blind still remove dots and bleeds? to avoid breakage
topaz cedar
Has anyone noticed that replicating shadows seems to keep you in combat too
halcyon timber
does blind still remove dots and bleeds? to avoid breakage
Yes sir it does
vocal surge
thick slate
Eeeh I wouldn't say they feel like S-tier cuz we die to basically being watched ...
Lmao you sure this is rogue you’re talking about?
Dying from being watched on?
Rogue has amazing survivability, actually one of the best in the game
Lots of tools
But ofcourse if you blow your vanishes and cloak/evasion first minute of the game you’re going to die from being watched on
final vessel
You say that as if people aren't actively trying to kill you.
thick slate
I mean its not warlock level of tankiness but you literally cant say you die easily
And seeing how most lobbies are caster lobbies (if we’re mainly talking about solo shuffle), rogue isnt usually the main target
jolly sierra
Rogue has amazing survivability, actually one of the best in the game
are you playing rogue or a warrior?
thick slate
are you playing rogue or a warrior?
Rogue
jolly sierra
how u can say that when u got killed by just being permasitted?
thick slate
Most classes flop from being permasitted if you dont get proper peels from your mates
jolly sierra
i can be permasitted with my warr and rarely die tbh
thick slate
A class shouldnt be designed to stay alive against 2-3 ppl on its own, but then again warlock and warrior exist
Yes
Thats what im saying
Its not lock or warr level of tankiness
But its super good
jolly sierra
rogue has the worst survivality around specs overall
no self healing
and u need to rely in a lot of stuff to survive
thick slate
No self healing but 1 magic immunity and 1 (almost) physical immunity
thick slate
You need those every 30 sec for them to be good or what 😄
jolly sierra
ret has a self absorb and a 20%- dmg inside stuns every min
monks has touch of karma every 1.5m, same for diffuse magic
thick slate
Touch of karma gets blown in literally 2 globals and you can cloak it if you get a monk in a stun with no trinket
jolly sierra
wtf
thick slate
And jts affected by damp
jolly sierra
are u sure u are playing the same game?
literal throw that shit in dampening and is win condition
thick slate
Im saying immunity defensives are way stronger than absorb defensives
thick slate
What buff😂
jolly sierra
thick slate
They released a blue note regarding this change and the only part that got buffed is the dot dmg that is redirected
Not the absorb itself
jolly sierra
still hits hard
i play all those classes u talked about
and can confirm
rog has the worst
survivability
between all
thick slate
It hitting hard is not the point of this discussion
thick slate
To something unneeded within this spell
We’re talking about survivability not damage
thick slate
Yes
jolly sierra
and the guy will die most of time
thick slate
When you are about to die
jolly sierra
in damp
thick slate
But if you die, other guy wont die
jolly sierra
still better than in s1
as i said
i played all those classes in df
and can compare a lot
thick slate
I played all melees atleast so the classes im talking about arent out of context
Dh feels the worst tbf
jolly sierra
dh still has blur every min
thick slate
Yes blur is strong
jolly sierra
can leap and run away
can elevate itself
has darkness
can dodge from back
if u are just talking about sub can concede
but assa and outlaw are awful
enduring stuff
thick slate
Dh gets blasted in stunlocks though because it has no passive tankiness or anything to use in stuns, you can say rogue has the same issue but atleast rogue has more than blur to press and rotate and prolong the goes as much to get proper peels
Yet that doesnt always happen in solo shuffle for example, i know
jolly sierra
emmmmm no
both toolkits are pretty similar in amount
forgot they had netherwalk too
thick slate
But you cant say rogue is the worst one, its toolkit is literally stacked for most encounters
thick slate
Well its the meta spec rn and what is getting mostly played and represented
jolly sierra
fair enough can get ur point but is still wrong
its like im talking about dks being unholy better but both are bad
thick slate
The thing is, both rogue specs arent bad at all, not even defensively. Its the most consistently strong class in the game
jolly sierra
u cant encapsulate the entire class just in 1 spec
thick slate
Maybe alongside mage but mage took a hit in df
thick slate
both? u have 3
Atleast assa and sub
jolly sierra
assa is the worst offender being able to endure stuff
jolly sierra
between all 3
is the worst enduring
have good dmg
but if u got trained its over
thick slate
The direction the game is going there might not be tuning for a long time, either before awc starts or long after awc is done
Which is either in 1 week or about 3+ weeks
thick slate
What rework?
jolly sierra
rogues, mages and hpals are getting reworked in next patch
hpals and mages has notes already
thick slate
Ah yeah, they promised one for rogues though? I missed that
thick slate
Yeah sure
jolly sierra
hold up
orchid temple
enjoyed that discussion haha
orchid temple
@thick slate @jolly sierra would you both say sub is probs the best melee spec rn though?
jolly sierra
don't think im good for debating
thick slate
https://stormfate.com/dragonflight-patch-10-1-5-full-development-notes-rework-fo...
Quite interesting
jolly sierra
<@486946022128484353> <@239851547935113216> would you both say sub is probs the ...
can't say anything yet if the spec was nerfed just 1 day ago
thick slate
Thank you for the link
jolly sierra
think we need a week and we can confirm stuff
jolly sierra
Thank you for the link
u welcome, sorry for the boiling chat lol
thick slate
<@486946022128484353> <@239851547935113216> would you both say sub is probs the ...
It should remain one of the best atleast
jolly sierra
the thing is
hpal, fire, arcane and frost
are already reviewed
in wowhead pve notes
thick slate
Has so much comp variety its crazy. It gets sweaty in solo shuffle when ppl dont play around you though and it usually needs more effort than other specs
jolly sierra
and they were doing this for batches
orchid temple
okay cool ty
jolly sierra
rogue is next, 100% sure, but idk if will rework alfabetically or something
orchid temple
i hear spriest/boomy will probs be best specs
thick slate
Reworks usually mean more buffs than nerfs atleast
thick slate
The ret rework was good, mage rework looks good
jolly sierra
were crap after former nerfs
and after that godlike and then decent
can't complain w ret rn
its very ok
thick slate
Yep
thick slate
Gn bud
minor cape
i bet they will make a rework that every rogue will cry about but then it will actually turn out good
like shadow priest
soft dust
Does the spark quest works?
Yesterday only killing in pvp
Quests and didnt provide sparks
minor cape
they fixed it
nova viper
Hello
proven kayak
tbh rogue cant go worse thna getting nerfed every single patch
but hope they keep the sub identity aswell
clever blaze
how is sin after the aura buff?
last jasper
Whazz with 4set was toping dam yesterday
untold remnant
As assa?
last jasper
yep
untold remnant
Why did they have to nerf sub
wary spire
Whazz with 4set was toping dam yesterday
Wasn't he's been doing that before the buff as well?
minor cape
Why did they have to nerf sub
it was cracked
untold remnant
But now we get pwned by cracked fury warrior even more 😦
last jasper
Wasn't he's been doing that before the buff as well?
I'm not sure. Before reset I saw him a lot as sub or devoker.
nova viper
Yeey
Blizzard shitty company
Nerf rogue, buff rogue, nerf rogue, buff rogue
by
20 fookin years
xD
last jasper
But now we get pwned by cracked fury warrior even more 😦
I just was called "cancer spec" cuz I one shot monk with brew sec tec, so .. 😄
nova viper
What do you think about weakaura in pvp? Like this
last jasper
Lmao
nova viper
But I have this abomination
wtf
wary spire
Pink dots as sd charges, black - as vanish charges, greenish - step charges, blue line sd duration, pink - rupture, yellow snd. 
topaz cedar
bro got that unity game UI
wary spire
It's easy to read at a glance once you get used to it!
last jasper
They actually did a great job with sophic proc visuals. At least as a sub I never miss them
surreal barn
I miss every time
minor cape
But I have this abomination
dude what is that
my man's shadow blades got holy priested 😩
wary spire
A vertical line also pops up on cos. And a timer in a box for evasion and feint. 
I don't know why only cloak gets the line and not a box. I don't remember.
wary spire
On a mage.
minor cape
nice.
woven jolt
I miss every time
It's probably Just a product of Azerite traits that I can be aware of them now, but Sophic is a stupidly visual heavy proc
potent pivot
surreal barn
I think it’s more I don’t like looking at my character if i wasn’t giving myself a sound queue I’d stick it on every unit frame I was focusing
woven jolt
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/226403529894526987/972967743873744936/I...
Yo who leaked my wa's
dapper chasm
Are you kids not using Shadowflame Wreath?
wintry dew
Should we?
dapper chasm
I think there are solid arguments why it's better in PvP
wintry dew
Please share
dapper chasm
1 - We run around a lot, so tagging enemies occurs more often. A proc on a tag is better for a DoT than a buff that you have outside a kill window or running around
2 - The DoT is substantial, with rupture and the DoT you do very decent AFK damage
3 - We really don't do much outside of control and our burst window, so the buff lining up with that is either unlikely, or if you work around it, it could be suboptimal timing just to do a little more damage
4 - Our burst means we pretty much 100-0 if we do it right, so something that sets that up is better than something that allows 110-0
Those are the obvious ones I can think of
surreal barn
we only kill during our burst window, sophic helps so much with that
dapper chasm
Sometimes
dapper chasm
I think SW is better for solo shuffle
It can break Gouge? You sure?
Never happened to me
I don't know if they put a minimum hit amount to proc, or if it's just very unlikely
But I've not had any CC issues with 2x SW
surreal barn
I’m pretty sure that was tested
dapper chasm
Doesn't mean it's not good
wintry dew
it does
dapper chasm
It just launched, not much testing done
dapper chasm
I think I made some good arguments, even if the popular choice is to not use it
I like it in SS and BGs
I'm going to try 1x SD and 1x SW too to see if it works
wintry dew
Im not saying your arguments are invalid, just seems that higher rated players don't think the same
dapper chasm
Well, I'm not exactly low rated
wintry dew
you can check the multiple brackets
dapper chasm
I'll keep testing myself to see what works best for me
wintry dew
Sure! Also, was not saying you were low :p, but the website tracks the top 50 it seems
unless your top 50 xD
wintry dew
You at 2.4 rn?
dapper chasm
I'm not at anything right now, I just got back for DF
wintry dew
Ohh alright i see
dapper chasm
But I know my way around knives and faces in WoW
surreal barn
And he is still dr on kidney
You are going to gouge him after duel to roll the cc chain
But that SW lasts 12 secs
dapper chasm
Look, I'm sure we can come up with 10 more scenarios where SD is better
surreal barn
I personally can not deal with such rng esp in a shuffle
dapper chasm
And 10 more where SW is better
dapper chasm
RNG evens out, and I prefer to play with the mindset of "My opponent is at 90 and I have my Fury warr here too" than "I can 110-0"
dapper chasm
I already feel like I’m herding sheep in there
I visualise it more as the rogue is the conductor
wintry dew
idk if with the recent nerf we can still 100-0
dapper chasm
You know what I mean
I'm talking those sweet moments where all your offensives are up, the enemy healer has fucked off to Timbuktu and you give the enemy DPS with no defensives that look
surreal barn
It’s like 6k dmg every second and can’t crit
dapper chasm
That you're doing to your target while running off to do control
surreal barn
And I’m not trying to 100-0 I do look for that 40-0
dapper chasm
They usually pop stuff around then
Sometimes that guy at 100 doesn't know how dead he is
wintry dew
surreal barn
Does it stack
last jasper
idk if with the recent nerf we can still 100-0
Absolutely can
dapper chasm
Does it stack
Does it need to?
surreal barn
Yeah
dapper chasm
Also, when are you really getting 2x SD during a kill window?
REALLY?
Getting that 40-0 you want is easier with SW than SD too
wintry dew
SD works as 1 buff
dapper chasm
You certainly don't need a SD proc to 40-0 and getting them to 40 with SW is easier
dapper chasm
That is pretty nice
surreal barn
Massive since it works with your cold blood
dapper chasm
I'm going to try 1x each next though
SW says it works off abilities, so maybe OH is best
last jasper
SW says it works off abilities, so maybe OH is best
Except rupture is the only ability that makes sense in this case for sub
dapper chasm
Huh?
last jasper
Huh?
Sub is hit and run. So rupture is the only thing that can proc it while u hugging pillar waiting for cds
dapper chasm
Well, I meant on the kill target you're going to be on anyway
And then you run off to do some CC
But you're still doing some damage while you're gone
potent pivot
SW says it works off abilities, so maybe OH is best
2x Sophic is the best
Also it doesn’t matter which wep you put an enchant on
If you were to mix 1 of each
fathom dew
mmr is so sad right now
pale storm
that you in wsg @queen geyser
surreal barn
Wife made her custom text tone on my phone the queue pop sound
It is starting to fuck with me
last jasper
ok, despite nerf still managed to get +120 mmr today
despite, my sec tec still sucks making low dam
languid ravine
solo shuffle: we fight a guardian druid and my DK mate is asking which target to go for
jolly sierra
were u discussing about shadowflame wreathe?
its good
for assa, cuz it procs from dots
languid ravine
think it was specifically bout sub
I died with 0,3 sec cd on vanish
fucking cringe
my hunter mate did 4million damage to the guardian druid
did everyone get a fucking lobotomy ??
last jasper
was there a better target except guardian?
languid ravine
frost dk maybe
how do people play without subterfuge? to me it feels so much worse
queen geyser
that you in wsg <@505971289698336770>
Uh maybe
Probably, seeing what time this was posted
Was it a panda with two ts at the end? If so yes
What's up?
pale storm
oh I was on my horde rogue, recognised the name
pale storm
hehe yeash that was me
queen geyser
how do people play without subterfuge? to me it feels so much worse
They curl up into a ball and cry
languid ravine
weird strat
do you press Curl up first or do you open with cry?
I guess you can macro it together ?
elfin maple
is there a new build for sub rogue already? Playing 2s with dpriest, we kinda got bullied at 1.6k rating yesterday
playing rotten secret tech
lucid citrus
It still should be the same build
untold remnant
Well, since the nerfs I only went 0-6, 1-5 or 2-4 in solo shuffle. Nice drop from 2092 to 1862
I don't know if rotten sectec is any good still
It feels really bad, but that might just be me having bad luck with lobbies
Fuck those BM hunter buffs
Only getting those things now
languid ravine
It feels really bad, but that might just be me having bad luck with lobbies
agree, feels noticably less chunky
maybe its back to dark brew, but its so sadge
to play
Vanish CDR is the best thing about new Subrogue
untold remnant
Swapped to Dark Brew, SecTec and going 5-1 here :p
elfin maple
i think finality build is played w disc
do you have the build somewhere?
odd mortar
just went 1-6 with the healer afking last round
yay
Ele / Ret / Fury
Pres / Monk
Im installing OBS for VOD review, if that doesnt help me improve I just suck lol
nova viper
Ele / Ret / Fury
Pres / Monk
You can't compete with it.
odd mortar
I tried but nobody else wanted to focus him
odd mortar
If I had friends who played healer this game would be much better lol
Just make groups
elfin maple
solo was so good in shadowlands, que times were fast, rating was pretty much free, like you played and gained it even if you went 3:3, now que time as dps is 30min + , even if you go 3:3, you basically gain 0, because i am ~ 1.6k solo shuffle and i get matched with people with 0 cr
nova viper
solo was so good in shadowlands, que times were fast, rating was pretty much fre...
Indeed
odd mortar
It will become irrelevant soon
But if I could just get 1600 for token i wouldn’t care as much anymore
I could play for fun/learning until mmr is fixed
elfin maple
i want 1.8k for transmog, literally all i care about 😄
elfin maple
i just know that im too bad to ever get 2.4k
nova viper
So i just wanna play pvp xD
I dont care fookin transmog
fookin raiting
i just wanna play
but i cant, bcs i must wait 30 minutes
for fookin game
xD
elfin maple
i did a 20 key, got 447 chest in vault , using that
nova viper
I wouldn't even mind if you don't progress at 3-3 because it only hurts when you know your next game is in 30 minutes.
Where healers lol
surreal barn
Rip lost 80 rating
odd mortar
I seriously forsee wow pvp dying if they dont get the shit together soon
last jasper
solo was so good in shadowlands, que times were fast, rating was pretty much fre...
Isn’t solo in sl was unranked?
dusk spindle
I seriously forsee wow pvp dying if they dont get the shit together soon
usually it gets good again at like season 3/4
elfin maple
Isn’t solo in sl was unranked?
it was a brawl, unranked yes, but there was rating associated with it, and for example i got 2.1k and could upgrade my items
last jasper
it was a brawl, unranked yes, but there was rating associated with it, and for e...
What items, conq? Wow.
elfin maple
yeah
jolly sierra
@minor cape disarm the fkn mage
jolly sierra
ret sub team > shitty MM rog teams
last jasper
ppl just pve down each other while mm just shit on me in 2 globals
jolly sierra
so guys, if u go 3s and have a sub and a disc, what would u chose as ur 3rd partner?
a fury, a ret, an assa or a ww monk?
jolly sierra
are you in EU?
odd mortar
no 😦
jolly sierra
F
jolly sierra
hmmmmmm
surreal barn
Gimme my dam from last week back 
jolly sierra
ohh is that heavy the nerf?
surreal barn
I feel it on rotten at least lol
last jasper
My 60-70k sec tecs bother me. Everything else feels the same
pale storm
Go with a ret, lock would be ideal though
jolly sierra
well
then all votes to ret
btw went w assa and ended 3-3
we had a fkn surv which just went monkey to the other extreme of the map and insta trinketed kidney
so i just waited for a full stun w bomb and died
last jasper
why would u pick wheelchair instead of war?
jolly sierra
give a try lol
topaz cedar
My 60-70k sec tecs bother me. Everything else feels the same
go flag
wary spire
its time to swap on assa? <:animuthinku:524054324607844362>
You gon die.
wary spire
Assa's survivability is not ination.
nova viper
Well, so i stay on my sub
nova viper
And people say we counter dhs.
DH is no problem
wary spire
Do they care about disarm btw?
nova viper
Do they care about disarm btw?
Yea but only for 20% his abilites xD
jolly sierra
Yea but only for 20% his abilites xD
yeah, but in meta
oops wrong tag
but yeah, if u disarm in meta they trinket sometimes, so does affect tho
last jasper
they used to drop disarm with glimpse. Idk if they nerfed this or not
jolly sierra
its nerfed tho
last jasper
go flag
Nah, I hate it since SL. such a shitty button to press. I would def go finality if blizz didn't put 2 ranks in deeper
last jasper
its nerfed tho
good 😄
jolly sierra
Nah, I hate it since SL. such a shitty button to press. I would def go finality ...
i miss vendetta from SL
gimme back my vendetta
jolly sierra
SL
jolly sierra
still recall BFA bte
jolly sierra
last jasper
still recall BFA bte
S1 outlaw with triple pistol shot trait. 🥲
jolly sierra
oof
stoic spruce
Am I alone when I say I miss Dreadblades/Flag?
potent pivot
Am I alone when I say I miss Dreadblades/Flag?
nope
one of my favorite combos
Blunderbuss legendary as well
stoic spruce
okay neat. I never hear any of my rogue friends talk about it
yeah that was cool too
stoic spruce
sheeeeeesh
potent pivot
was definitely one of my favorite times as a rogue, even in pve
wary spire
Hopefully spiders will be allowed to dragonride.
minor cape
please pvp spider dragonriding
for real tho they will probably just make dragonflight mounts available for dragonriding
and other ones will still be normal
untold remnant
Swapped to shadow priest, watching all the rogues go 0-6 saddens my heart
minor cape
fotm rerollers?
untold remnant
Btw, I see Pikaboo is using the engineering helmet, because it has only mastery on it. In 450 pvp it will have 884 mastery or something like that and includes a socket.
Looks like a good craft with all the vers we are having
tawny kestrel
Btw, I see Pikaboo is using the engineering helmet, because it has only mastery ...
doesnt include a socket but ye
it is good
last jasper
a lot vers to give up if u wanna go 4p?
tawny kestrel
dont think u go 4p as sub
last jasper
btw, how much vers do we want to have?
minor cape
@tawny kestrel what you think of the nerfs
rotten still good?
or we back to finality
harsh steppe
copper maple
fotm rerollers?
Who'd reroll to rogue these days lol
wary spire
Wasn't it behind warlocks, boomy, war, spriest and rets even before the nerf?
last jasper
yeah rotten is still good ofc
I saw ppl looking back into gloom build. The one palumor were showing at the beging of a season
topaz cedar
Who'd reroll to rogue these days lol
dks lol
untold remnant
doesnt include a socket but ye
Ty
untold remnant
I saw ppl looking back into gloom build. The one palumor were showing at the beg...
That's the one without secret technique right?
Gonna give it a try
last jasper
That's the one without secret technique right?
yeap
wary spire
Wonder if 4set will run without st for that evis damage.
untold remnant
It's 20% crit damage, if you have to trade 10% mastery, it's only 10% crit damage on already nerfed crit chance in pvp. I believe mastery will be better than 4 set. As mastery applies all the time, also on non-crits
But that's just feelycraft based on these speculations.
last jasper
Palumor himself runs sectec now, I see Nahj using that build without it
I'm not sure he played as sub since nerf. Idk about nahj, but I saw his armory with gloom
PIka on the other hand keep playing finality+flag before and after the nerf
untold remnant
This build of Palumor is nice, it uses Master of Shadows instead of First Dance, no energy problems
last jasper
pika is a gloomblade hater and i can understand that
Hard to argue 😄
untold remnant
Btw: since when does shuriken storm no longer give CP on pets? Or has that always been the case and I only notice it now
chrome schooner
It's been at least since BfA, so I'm tempted to say it has always been the case
surreal barn
I think they changed it when you’d take 3 assa rogues in bfa into rbgs and just kill everything in sight
tawny kestrel
ye assa rogues were op with shuriken storm
last jasper
nerfing class cuz of bg. lol
tawny kestrel
🥹
only sub has shuriken storm rofl
never gave cp from pets
assa has fok
pretty sure it doesn’t give combo points from pets either unless it crits
it’s weird for sure
last jasper
If i'm not wrong they nerf sub storm in bfa cuz of raid
sub were pumping on zul in raids
and they nerfed back then
untold remnant
But those are PvE targets, I think shuriken tornado was exploited on Zul. To do back-to-back eviscerates. Tried it a few times in a pug, was pretty strong
potent pivot
It's 20% crit damage, if you have to trade 10% mastery, it's only 10% crit damag...
The crit nerf doesn’t really change its benefit
Afaik it just compounds the extra crit dmg % on top of whatever crit dmg % is
minor cape
Afaik it just compounds the extra crit dmg % on top of whatever crit dmg % is
still seems like damage loss especially if you dont cold blood that eviscerate
wary spire
"requires shadowflame incantation table"
wot
Do i load terrarria or what
Why is it in a butt fuck nowhere
untold remnant
That is in the invasion camp
It is a table with two shadowflame balls on the side
wary spire
Balls
untold remnant
Just fly over it, and hover over the tables, tooltip will say that it is the incantation table
queen geyser
I kinda like some of the recipes needing special altars and shid out innawoods
Reminds me of the dark iron forge in BRD
surreal barn
Easier than the decayed table
orchid temple
how is sub feeling post-nerf?
surreal barn
Idk which asshole decided that was a good idea
Some matchups are really hard in shuffle now, can’t comment on anything else
I had MM, fury war, arms war, double MW lobby
It was painful
Switched to brew build halfway through with defensive pvp talents just to stay alive 😂 they hit so hard it’s nuts
wary spire
So i cannot even recraft this shit?
steep loom
I really wish blinding powder also increased the duration of blind back to 8 seconds. Then I'd actually take that talent on my outlaw
potent pivot
still seems like damage loss especially if you dont cold blood that eviscerate
I’m strictly talking about the interaction between the pvp crit dmg nerf and the dmg from 4 set
jolly sierra
why warrior is so low lol
jolly sierra
So i cannot even recraft this shit?
no, try again
cobalt pewter
sub rogue is actually the hardest spec to kill in arena i agree
jolly sierra
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we had a fkn sp some days ago which died in like 10 seconds after a ret and a warr chased over him
no dispersion no nothing
languid ravine
I wish this video came out yesterday before my marksman decided to fully focustarget enemy guardian druid over Frost DK
jolly sierra
is not a bait post? lol
languid ravine
Supatease: "I never see Outlaw Rogue; B tier"
jolly sierra
dunno
wary spire
Tried assa rn. Nope. 5% was not enough.
nova viper
wtf how a warrior trinketed a sap
Dunno
this game is random asf
xD
Something delete u sap, someting delete u stun
last jasper
he complain
well, he's right
last jasper
40min q
last jasper
Who's playin with bargain? Do u out blades in go macro or u use it outside burst window?
austere pawn
what build are people currently running
tall marsh
So I got less caster in lobby, now every lobby is melee, from 2.1 to 1.8 in 1 day as sub. I guess time to reroll?
Not even cc chains helping, just not enough output
What is a win condition for sub rogues now?
obsidian pulsar
Sub is so bad after the nerfs
tall marsh
And is sectech even worth playing anymore? Feels like same damage as evis but cant be pressed in alot of situations
obsidian pulsar
I rerolled assa now I finally get some rating again
dense harness
Guys is it me or is assa rogue at low mmr a nightmare to climb?
tall marsh
Every rogue spec is nightmare to climb threw low-end
With rise of warriors, rets and other melee with stun drs its kinda selfgriefieng to play sub at all
obsidian pulsar
Solos shuffle as sub just sucks right now everything is on random stun drs from stupid warriors and locks
tall marsh
Idk why blizz hate us so much, literally non of the classes got hated that much killing every spec one by one
cba playing this shit, time to PvE
odd mortar
I swapped to D4
Weekly capping now, and will come back in a bit when MMR and all is workedo ut
I was geting tilted too often, and wasting half my evening in a q is just dumb to be honest
If i had friends that played arena and we could make groups, would be different
last jasper
yea, true. q time is insane. Lfq q are faster lol
odd mortar
Yah, 30-40Minutes daily
Get up to go to the restroom, 20seconds? You missed it
I dont work 9 hours to spend half the evening in a q, well im not anymore lol
last jasper
Same. Like I want just sit, play 2-3 ss and go off.
End up hitting dummy for 30 min instead lol
minor cape
yeah i just went to play 2s
fuck waiting 40 min to play a game with 0-6er
going one guy for 6 rounds cause he dies in 3 seconds epic gameplay
last jasper
lol, my sub just ended in the middle of ss 😄
wary spire
yea, true. q time is insane. Lfq q are faster lol
Not if you're at 0 raiting. ~_~
surreal barn
Sub isn’t bad I really depends on that SS lobby
Sometimes have to straight up switch to replicating shadow/dark brew if your partner is the type that can’t pump
At least that was my experience yesterday and today
austere thorn
Are the outlaw buffs in yet?
Eventually, someday I'll be right and we will get buffs
nova viper
Are the outlaw buffs in yet?
minor cape
law has buffs
in 10.1.5
they made blade flurry deal additional damage to your main target too
so basically a small cooldown to burst more
idk how good it is tho
🤔
orchid temple
are the sub nerfs actually bad? i just resubbed and tryna decide between rogue & spriest
minor cape
are the sub nerfs actually bad? i just resubbed and tryna decide between rogue &...
ive been playing a couple shuffles and 2s seems about the same to me
a little worse sure
still good
spriest is good too
so just choose what you like
jolly sierra
ive been playing a couple shuffles and 2s seems about the same to me
dont dr the healer REEEEEEE
last jasper
are the sub nerfs actually bad? i just resubbed and tryna decide between rogue &...
Just tuned him a little. Sub was (and I think still) best melee spec overall
wary spire
Got into 2s with a rando war with a 30% winrate.
Wan that was way more fun than shuffle <D
jolly sierra
i can bring my ret anyday
or
what about going w adskydroch in 2s lol
he is sub too
wary spire
As 2 rogues?
Dunno, always lost with a rog on my team in shuffle.
But ret sounds great Though you were offline tho.
wary spire
It was so free before 1000. But then everyone was with a healer and.
wary spire
But man. Land of before-1000 was so beautiful. Trinkets triggering on random times, people being deleted because they don't use any defensives. It was amazing.
fathom dew
this is the worst season for 2s ive ever played
wary spire
Really? Huh. Why?
I only played 2v2 in that one season with spider in it.
Because I really liked that spider.
fathom dew
bm and surv hunter takeover
jolly sierra
But man. Land of before-1000 was so beautiful. Trinkets triggering on random tim...
warriors trinketing saps
last jasper
yea, nahj dropped sectec for gloom. at least for 2s, he's online rn
wary spire
warriors trinketing saps
My warrior mate trinketed gouge. Twice in one match.
fathom dew
maybe its the mmr system right now but im at 1600 and its a slog
wary spire
I don't know why they do it. Like honestly, what's the goal.
This whole mmr cap thing.
fathom dew
frustrating