In SL I spend entire nights grinding PvP.
#pvp
hidden dome
And now I'm at a point where I play 5 games at most before I just get stressed and stop
queen geyser
I wouldn't put it past them
plucky rose
Are the sub changes even big? They dont seem that bad unless the mastery from flag was important for the combo
odd mortar
gooooood morning teeaaaaamm
whoops this isnt work
my chat ban is no longer
i can now use LFG again
Praiiise the lords of wow
minor cape
Are the sub changes even big? They dont seem that bad unless the mastery from fl...
my man is here too
So nerfs are mostly targeted at cheesy oneshot things and random damage spikes in your goes (from weaponmaster), so sub is just more fair now tbh
The nerf that every build will feel, even not cheesy ones is that dance damage nerf
but its like what a 4% damage decrease
in dance
so i guess we still good just a little less cheese
odd mortar
ryan no likey
plucky rose
my man is here too
Im everywhere 😏
Changes really dont seem that big but idk
I only play assa
copper maple
Why pvp changes are 90% nerfs when pve ones have both?
minor cape
sectech nerf i dont mind but they had to buff eviscerate imo
and nerf sectech more
lol
copper maple
Secret Technique damage reduced by 100% in PvP
minor cape
I only play assa
oh yeah man then you got the BIG changes every assa rogue wanted to see
that 5% is no joke
weak tiger
is this comming or current changes?
plucky rose
Next week
minor cape
on reset
odd mortar
they needed to buff sub rogue honestly
weak tiger
I mean, I just learned how to play this, but I havent really felt anythign but fair.
odd mortar
we needed to be able to 1v3
minor cape
they needed to buff sub rogue honestly
are you on crack
minor cape
Changes really dont seem that big but idk
that weaponmaster thing is pretty big
its actually more than 50% decrease on the proc
weak tiger
I will say, I feel a lot more like a control mage than an assassin 😛
where are you getting this information from?
plucky rose
Not til tuesday/wed next week
last jasper
Great. My sub ends just after the reset 😂
plucky rose
its actually more than 50% decrease on the proc
Well thats good i guess. Sub and enh were a bit out of control so im glad they got toned down
Really shouldve hit tech harder so they could buff evis
But w/e
last jasper
I agree. Weponmaster nerf is okay
weak tiger
I mean, I have limited knowledge, but the whole page reads like we got off pretty easy
shut solstice
I had a dream that they gave outlaw a ranged execute called “point blank shot”
weak tiger
@plucky rose when you say "out of control" I'm assuming you mean in arena?
plucky rose
Yeah just for 3s
last jasper
I agree. Weponmaster nerf is okay
Dark shadow on other hand.
weak tiger
it's just a net loss, really.
basically just means it's a 20% increase instead of 30% like it reads, yeah?
last jasper
It wasn’t 30. Was 80% effectiveness
odd mortar
I think with the combination all of all the nerfs its going to be substantial
but i may be misunderstanding
i feel bad complaining though, outlaw is basically unplayable
I havent tried assa yet
maybe panda will show me on PTR 🙂
weak tiger
honestly, when it comes to arenas, 6% is a lot more substantial than I'll give it credit for.
proper heath
They are huge nerfs combined. However. Sub is insane defensively. So theres no other spec to play atm
weak tiger
@proper heath it's true, i got 1v5'd in the Reach and I almsot got away with 2 lives
proper heath
You cannot survive as assa, regardless of how much damage you do in this zug zug meta. Sub has multiple vanishes and resets to their own defensives. It's not even fair to the other specs.
weak tiger
you're talking about dust, right?
chrome schooner
You cannot survive as assa, regardless of how much damage you do in this zug zug...
You can survive as Assa
proper heath
And then you play as assa into a sub rogue..... And he cloaks off your Death Mark. And then you just /afk out
chrome schooner
Simply the way to do it is as it's always been
Which is through your team
Sub survives on its own right now
weak tiger
@chrome schooner is right
proper heath
You can survive as Assa
You can. But sub feels so good compared.
chrome schooner
Well because you can disregard your team as Sub
weak tiger
it feels similar to how I've always felt. I choose who dies.
chrome schooner
As Assa you never could
It's just that some ppl try to play alone
And then they die
well, yeah ofc
weak tiger
@chrome schooner also very true lol
proper heath
Well because you can disregard your team as Sub
exactly. Especially with thiefs bargain being buffed as it is.
It's too good to go assa :S
weak tiger
I'vve only played sub rogue, so idk. To tell you the true, it feels less and less like a burst spec every time I pick it up.
weak tiger
it's pick and poke and choose, CC and reset
I dont do arena tho. arena is VERY different
scarlet shell
reason why i am loving sub is bc of the second vanish
2 vanishes is everything i need in my life
- Shadowmeld bc i knew Nelfs are superior Rogues.
jolly sierra
maybe panda will show me on PTR 🙂
what me
jolly sierra
fine maybe for later i woke up short time ago zzz
jolly sierra
xd
languid ravine
I had a dream that they gave outlaw a ranged execute called “point blank shot”
mate you played too much Darkest Dungeon
Outlaw is OP in that game
jolly sierra
dreaming with wow? guy touch some grass
queen geyser
+ Shadowmeld bc i knew Nelfs are superior Rogues.
Pros:
+Third vanish
Cons:
-KNOIFE EAR
harsh steppe
void elf:
pros:
- sexy af
- 5% extra damage
- third shadowstep
cons:
- TOO sexy, distracts player
jolly sierra
void elf is just an edgy traitorous elf
for allies which didn't get BEs
tbh in BFA always assaulted them in outdoor, just hated them
copper maple
VE is actually a better pvp race than BE now
minor cape
why wouldnt it be
copper maple
Even though everyone saw them as "we have blood elves at home"
copper maple
Could be a bit lower cd imo
copper maple
Back in legion I played horde and all my characters were BE for the racial
Then they ruined it because of m+
Tbh not only for the racial, I liked the race in general too
copper maple
velfs ability is pretty good
It's fun, but for stealth classes nothing beats meld for me
minor cape
ofc i mean overall
copper maple
Unless you play 10.1 sub with infinite vanishes perhaps
minor cape
nah meld into subterfuge super strong
copper maple
I kinda want my warrior to be kul tiran for some reason, it sounds fun
minor cape
i meant more like for casters and shit
copper maple
Could be fun on rogue if it didn't dr stuns
scarlet shell
do blood elves even have a racial
like this is why most of my characters are void elves.
copper maple
2 min cd aoe purge
minor cape
yeah they have a do nothing on 2 min cd
scarlet shell
eh it could be worse
copper maple
With the amount of trash purgeable buffs it's not very useful
minor cape
and its casted if im not mistaken
scarlet shell
nightborne racials.
copper maple
It's instant but could be on gcd
copper maple
nightborne racials.
3 min cd aoe slow or something?
copper maple
What were they even thinking
scarlet shell
the melee has to be on you basically
like actually, both characters stuck together.
at least i have Cantrip (portable mailbox)
copper maple
The only scenario where I've used BE racial successfully was against a solo paladin who decides to bop over bubble
jolly sierra
<@239851547935113216>
ye sure
scarlet shell
i love mass dispelling a bubble
jolly sierra
:l
scarlet shell
and then when they realise bubble is dispelled, the panic
jolly sierra
u found me when i was buying bread
scarlet shell
BWAHAHA
and then they die hilariously
bc they went in to deep without a jail free card.
jolly sierra
the funniest thing i found about elves in wow is
they always when can use blindfolds
never use shoes
and always are in the skimpiest possible clothes
for xmog
scarlet shell
they caused every horrible event and caused the deaths of millions of lives?
copper maple
they always when can use blindfolds
never use shoes
and always are in the skim...
I guess it's like gaining better hearing when becoming blind
Other senses become stronger
They feel the ground with their feet
jolly sierra
they can hear the warrior using dragon roar
copper maple
Like the girl from the last airbender
harsh steppe
don’t make fun of their feet, their feet are perfect
jolly sierra
dan schneider
advantages of being rogue is being able to cap fast with rbgs
they always wants one in fresh pug groups
copper maple
What's the fun in bgs with 5 sec blind?
broken otter
I know that my MH has a much bigger impact than my OH, but how much bigger are we talking?
minor cape
fellas
after two weeks
i found out that tier set chest i purchased doesnt scale to 450
🤩
i wrote a ticket and i have no hope
but its 434 so its fine
lol
potent pivot
I know that my MH has a much bigger impact than my OH, but *how* much bigger are...
everything scales off MH dps
OH is more of a stat stick
broken otter
Oh, that clears thing up, perfectly. Thanks! :D
jolly sierra
i found out that tier set chest i purchased doesnt scale to 450
u passed for the same as venruki
he bought the HC one too KEK
jolly sierra
F
vocal surge
F
minor cape
lets see if blizzard support can fix it otherwise ill be praying for great vault again or playing with 434 lol
minor cape
Won’t get to queue again till Wednesday after nerfs 🪦
rip
dible.
minor cape
dude plays a subs counter and cries about it
vocal surge
^
narrow tangle
he is jealous because he can't reroll rog xD
lucid citrus
im officially stuck in mmr hell
harsh steppe
“it’s proud month” LOVE
waxen meteor
advantages of being rogue is being able to cap fast with rbgs
I capped all of rogue/DH/ret/bm/priest by Friday somehow this week
Lots of instant first queue of dps magically
jolly sierra
Guy asked me for a duel in open world.
wanna me bringing the alt ret?
jolly sierra
I capped all of rogue/DH/ret/bm/priest by Friday somehow this week
gratz
hope this hell ends soon
so i can push instead just capping
surreal barn
I capped all of rogue/DH/ret/bm/priest by Friday somehow this week
Let’s see if your luck changes with tier in vault 🤞🏼
jolly sierra
this time u should get something dude
jolly sierra
i just capped with fresh cr rbgs this week as rog
people always wants rogs in their rosters
jolly sierra
“it’s proud month” LOVE
just curious
are you bi or something? u always seems way too positive with love stuff and that in chat
no offense intended, just to know more ppl here in chat
ppl here already discovered im a furry lol
tawny kestrel
jesus christ
jolly sierra
what? i dont asked in a bad way xd
jolly sierra
crap i'll take a cold if i stay in computer without a coat with autumn season playing wow
surreal barn
@jolly sierra are there different type of furry
jolly sierra
<@239851547935113216> are there different type of furry
yes, mild ones
and the ones which goes to furfests doing crazy shit or harassing tiger tony kellogs acc in twitter lol
jolly sierra
usually they likes media with furry stuff or prefer the char with fur in games and shit
surreal barn
Caught that mf with a tail on when I was dropping off something
surreal barn
Right?
jolly sierra
don't ask him how is he using the tail
jolly sierra
:l
internet teaches you a lot
even the darkest stuff
u wanna bleach ur eyes later knowing that shit
surreal barn
His wife had some ears on a few years back
jolly sierra
but is that real or is just a troll question? lol
surreal barn
I honestly need to stop dropping by unannounced
surreal barn
You will never get a troll question out of me, just sarcasm
jolly sierra
🤨
vale basalt
we have any decent comps as sin in 10.1?
jolly sierra
the typical RMP
a pevoker can work well too because u can be dragged out of danger when u are dotting and can help u doing both dmg and cc
but u always need a healer as assa as min
vocal surge
Didnt expect all this love chat in a PvP channel lol
potent pivot
at least trickz is afk so we can talk shit
jolly sierra
RUN GUYS ITS OVER
vocal surge
Lol
jolly sierra
what do u need now?
jolly sierra
oh, care, trickz become mad when somebody ask lfg here too
odd mortar
Oh well, just speaking in general really
minor cape
<:pain:839526276904779847>
lolololo
odd mortar
Don’t expect to run duo or trio rogue lol
minor cape
@potent pivot could you please remind me, I forgot. Is this an LFG tool
jolly sierra
yes ive just read the furry stuff
very dark stuff
are u up in wow?
we can try trolling ppl for a little
potent pivot
oh, care, trickz become mad when somebody ask lfg here too
gotta try to do my part to keep the server rules upheld
jolly sierra
uh oh
potent pivot
jolly sierra
no, just warned
minor cape
we can try trolling ppl for a little
how
jolly sierra
how <:monkaW:675691826505711626>
log in wow and i'm inv you to arena
potent pivot
talking about needing friends to play with in a general sense is w/e
jolly sierra
i'm bringing the ret
potent pivot
it's mainly just the straight up LFG style posts
minor cape
oke ill log in
jolly sierra
also seems like asking ppl personally its ok here
just in a general sense is watched here
minor cape
i just need to make myself some coffee and shit and im up
jolly sierra
sure
but remember i'm in late midnight cuz region differences
so we can play 5 i think
odd mortar
I’m a mage disarmer as well
odd mortar
It’s 2 am
jolly sierra
here 3 AM
vocal surge
Remember to disarm your mage opponents
jolly sierra
if you guys talk often, like to each other
u guy , as suggestion
in a very elitist group i was, an admin was using dog edited images to kick people, literal sending the pic and then banning the guy shortly after
if u wanna do it stylish
try doing that lol
just if is the case i say
jolly sierra
for example in the group
a guy do a banneable offense
this guy to throw the banhammer and make it funny
posted a dissapointed irl dog picture in reply to the offense, it was in fb
then he bans the guy, being literal the last thing he watch in the group lol
potent pivot
typically we add an explanation of whatever action along with the ! command so that the person sees why they were actioned
but really bans aren't super common, mostly just bots n stuff
jolly sierra
i know
potent pivot
you gotta do/say some pretty egregious stuff to get banned tbh
minor cape
@jolly sierra send btag
vocal surge
potent pivot
minor cape
ret sub 4-1
vocal surge
Pog
jolly sierra
the thing i like the most about ret
is than they are very good support in 2s with double dps
minor cape
gn
jolly sierra
i laughed a lot today
harsh steppe
yah, time to play wow!
minor cape
give the same inflation to 3s as it is in solo shuffle to make 3s more played - 😡
nerf shuffle inflation to kill both - 😍
last jasper
jeez, double 5\1. I like 2p 😄
last jasper
wow is so dead game bro
mate, they r playing 2s while in q for solo. Time spent in arena still counts
minor cape
jeez, double 5\1. I like 2p 😄
100% shit cuts people like butter
last jasper
100% shit cuts people like butter
yea, feels really great. And cdr with bargain is just 🔥
Still haven't decide yet, should I swap glad 450 neck or honor ring for crafted.
minor cape
honor ring
last jasper
2p is 10% mast lost for me(
last jasper
chest + legs is bis
I fcked up with 1600 token piece. I took heroic instead of pvp lol.
minor cape
me too dude me too
last jasper
So I only have lfr gloves and head from vault
last jasper
So I only have lfr gloves and head from vault
well, I saw venruki's clip where he fcked up like that as well. And still picked the wrong one, lol
last jasper
i wrote a ticket to blizzard support
haha, me too.
minor cape
dude same lololol
last jasper
🤝
minor cape
i watched his vid, but it is venruki so i mentally skipped through all of it
should have listened
😩
last jasper
Well, who the fuck put pvp and heroic stuff in 1 vendor lol
minor cape
FOR THE FUCKING PVP TOKEN
bruh
you cant get mark of mastery any other way right
so whats the point
last jasper
you cant get mark of mastery any other way right
Not fair for other players. Lol, that was blizz response
last jasper
I took wpvp 447 chest isntead
last jasper
So u still think ring is better? And just replace neck with the honor one? Like all other ppl run?
last jasper
its 300mastery lose 😦
last jasper
yea, 333 mastery scaled to 450
minor cape
anyways bis crafted is either signet + boots or shoulder + boots
last jasper
I got shoulder, boots and haven't decide the last one yet
minor cape
yea, 333 mastery scaled to 450
Prolly can make up for that in versa. Pretty sure everyone is wearing honor neck because you need mastery ring, weapon, badge in prioritt
i just didnt have enough conq for it yet
last jasper
I got that neck from vault. should've just take socket slot
minor cape
nah its fine man
last jasper
So I haven't spent any conq for this neck anyway
I just don't feel great having only 80% mast
minor cape
how much of a loss is it like 1-2% that you gain from versa anyway
minor cape
I just don't feel great having only 80% mast
i have 94 lololo
last jasper
i have 94 lololo
well, if I drop 2p, glad neck and make a crafted ring I should be around 92
last jasper
why? 🥲
minor cape
cause you can only wear two embelished items!!
nova viper
This is last weekend when we have conq cap?
last jasper
cause you can only wear two embelished items!!
yea, I know. I wanted to craft ring just for stats and stam. Not using embellishment on it.
last jasper
does it work like that?
why it wouldn't
minor cape
if so then its cool
last jasper
I think u can make neck as well. That's why I can't decide. jsut swap it back to honor and craft ring, or replace with crafted neck with better stats.
ionic crown
guys Is vigor good after nerf?
queen geyser
nahj have crafted ring + shoulder and boots
What's the advantage of the ring?
More mastery?
last jasper
What's the advantage of the ring?
yea, and stam since its 450
queen geyser
I'll have to grab that then
Think I have enough conq for another trophy
OR MAYBE
Damn I don't
Thought the other trophy from the quest was maybe for ring
wary spire
Sadge
Nobody was dying, everyone had infinite health.
Was 1581 this morning, so close to tier.
vocal surge
tis hard to find WoW news when that D4 bot is filling up the new channrl
odd mortar
<:sucksman:1046546244413173760>
literally my life
climb climb climb, LOL JK
- 100014514124124241245235235 rating
-15152525235235235235235235 rating***
wary spire
A dude haven't loaded in into the arena, so back to the queue you go.
sharp sierra
10 million hour queue
wary spire
sharp sierra
Bro why is his name analussy
wary spire
At least i got 4 wins out of 0 games played.
wary spire
Bro why is his name analussy
He's a scientist. His analysis is juicy.
wary spire
Is discord laggy as hell or is it just me?
sharp sierra
I think it’s over
copper maple
i respect his name as mine isnt better
Well it's quite unique 😏
copper maple
Wake me up (wake me up inside)
jolly sierra
Wake me up (wake me up inside)
copper maple
Lmao
last jasper
i respect his name as mine isnt better
Read ur full name. Realized I got disarmed from a hunter while playing on my mage earlier today 😂😂
minor cape
dude im so used to playing melee that if someone disarmed me on a mage i would panic and trinket
dusk spindle
is 4PC good for pvp?
last jasper
dude im so used to playing melee that if someone disarmed me on a mage i would p...
nah, I rarely trinks disarm even on a rogue 😄
potent pivot
is 4PC good for pvp?
For what spec
simple crest
holy is fucking bs. this priest died twice and ressurected both times
minor cape
holy is fucking bs. this priest died twice and ressurected both times
man is complaining about holy priest
the healer that has one cooldown
dusk spindle
For what spec
sub
potent pivot
no, it isn't
native glacier
It absolutely is
native glacier
It’s a crit increase to eviscerate that has minimal almost unnoticeable difference
So
That’s not good
native glacier
Did I say not to wear it
potent pivot
chill out
shrewd canyon
Uhh it's 20%crit damage lol that's good
dapper chasm
How do you get bloody tokens? Does it take long to farm them up?
native glacier
It’s marginal and pretty much unnoticeable change in practice
Is it worth wearing ? Sure . It is good? No
potent pivot
dude
i was answering a question
and you are coming in for whatever reason to trash talk the set, it's kinda pointless
native glacier
You are super fragile
native glacier
Statistically it’s marginal it’s not good
dapper chasm
About those tokens - anyone know?
potent pivot
About those tokens - anyone know?
you can usually find groups in Custom tab of LFG for farming them
there are crate drops etc
jolly sierra
UHHHHHHHHHH WE HAVE A FIGHT
dapper chasm
you can usually find groups in Custom tab of LFG for farming them
Thanks!
I'm a decade+ returning player - is this good enough to start up an arena team to push?
Just started in S2
potent pivot
yeah that's enough to get started
dapper chasm
Also, is there a belt enchant? I thought I saw someone link one on trade
simple crest
man is complaining about holy priest
doesnt matter. the stupid leaver penalty on us is making it not worth even trying to play SS with a 40 min queue time. 4 wins, someone leaves on the 5th round.
potent pivot
Also, is there a belt enchant? I thought I saw someone link one on trade
you mean embellishments maybe?
potent pivot
iirc engi has goggles as usual
pale storm
You can buy the belt buckle that gives stam off AH
dapper chasm
Yeah, but that would need a spark
dapper chasm
No?
dapper chasm
Oh, I meant the helm
potent pivot
ye if it required BS it'd say it in the tooltip
pale storm
Oh yeah goggles needs spark sorry
potent pivot
the goggles are diff ye
pale storm
Pretty sure you can eventually make engi bracers also, goggles have a tooltip saying DG engineering (1) but bracers didn’t when I checked in game
dapper chasm
Don’t need to be blacksmith
Got it, thanks
pale storm
Nice
steep loom
No
surreal barn
I have the belt enchant on both rogues
It was dumb like 20k though
Prob not worth but what else do I spend gold on
potent pivot
Is there anything else to get them?
search for crate
to see if there's token crate groups
dapper chasm
search for crate
Nope :<
potent pivot
hmm
well
if you just fly around all 4 zones
crates drop every few minutes
you have to be in the zone it spawns in to see it on the map
dapper chasm
Is that the thing where that crazy lady says something about fitness?
potent pivot
dapper chasm
"Looks like we could all use some resources" - something like that
dapper chasm
Nice
potent pivot
sparks of life can be used to upgrade token gear as well
to help fill out slots until you're fully conquest geared
dapper chasm
Damn, these bloody token pieces look good
Great stats
Does OH choice matter now?
Like, a sword instead of a dagger etc
potent pivot
for sub nah
dapper chasm
Used to be 2x 1.8 dagger was best due to Focus Attacks/Shadow Techniques
jolly sierra
i want a versa mastery dagger 😦
potent pivot
just want the best stats for the most part
potent pivot
Used to be 2x 1.8 dagger was best due to Focus Attacks/Shadow Techniques
that's still the case for sh tech and poison procs, but they don't matter as much
dapper chasm
Is this good for arena? (sorry for million questions)
potent pivot
Is this good for arena? (sorry for million questions)
there's builds in #pvp-faq
and np
that one leaves out some powerful nodes
you want Danse Macabre with practically any build
potent pivot
and when running Stiletto Sticcato in builds it's slightly more important to have a dagger OH but ye
potent pivot
I find it a bit inflexible
it's too strong not to take
potent pivot
flag is okay at lower ratings, but eh
i don't like it at higher rating personally
typically you'd drop Rotten for flag build, not DM
dapper chasm
I just started so not sure
potent pivot
raz used it in higher rating when i saw him in streamings tho
i said i don't like it at higher ratings, personally
too easily countered, but not like it's terrible
jolly sierra
maybe the timing is the key
harsh steppe
just mash backstab all day and nothing else that’s what i do 
potent pivot
sub has been so strong it hardly matters which build you chose
prob gonna be a little diff after nerfs on tuesday
jolly sierra
prob gonna be a little diff after nerfs on tuesday
that was about to say
but im sure won't be as miserable as end s1
potent pivot
Maybe this is better?
minor cape
Trickz is it true that i can wear as many crafted items as i want in pvp
as long as they dont have an embelish
jolly sierra
yes
minor cape
🤔
jolly sierra
it is
minor cape
sick
minor cape
im crafting a ring next week
minor cape
certified epic moment
where does that ring teleport you btw?
lol
on a 20 hour cooldown
jolly sierra
old raid entraces
potent pivot
as long as they dont have an embelish
dapper chasm
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971889599179812948/1112906459160776857/im...
Nice, that seems very balanced
Weaponmaster is pretty good for running around, Shadow Techniques seems eh anyway
potent pivot
Nice, that seems very balanced
well WM and sec tech are both nerfed come tuesday, but right now they're really strong
potent pivot
why do you run that dance regen
what
dapper chasm
It regens 3 energy per proc you see
minor cape
noo
potent pivot
it's kinda w/e
dapper chasm
?
potent pivot
MoS?
dapper chasm
To not come up dry on a kill atempt for me
potent pivot
Nerfed how?
minor cape
how come you dont have enough energy with so many symbols
AND vigor
i play both no vigor and no mos and get enough for double dance
🤔🤔🤔
potent pivot
i play both no vigor and no mos and get enough for double dance
the build in faq taking it is a mistake or import bug
minor cape
The nerfs seem mild
weaponmaster nerf is big
minor cape
lol
potent pivot
the other builds in the faq that take that node take TFD
so likely just a mistake on my end
potent pivot
RMP is ok atm, you can really play a lot of comps these days
rogue/boomie, rogue/hunter, rogue/enh, rogue/lock
lots of options atm
mmr is very deflated atm so for 3s specifically it's gonna be tough
dapper chasm
It's ok, I'm sure I can show these kids how we used to do back in wrath
potent pivot
dapper chasm
The main thing I've noticed that's changed is the humour is all gone
And cloth seems to mean adamantium now
And owl feathers seem to mean adamantium now
But plate and mail melt rather nicely
topaz cedar
genuine question but how many people have been enjoying DF pvp? I did miss most of shadowlands so it may be an improvement over that but idk, s1 and s2 have just felt so.. unenjoyable
jolly sierra
i did
when i played ret in rework
or warrior when we don't had destros or enh being so busted
SL for me was crap mostly
topaz cedar
Honestly, i never thought id say this, but I'm unironically missing bfa
even with the various mental traumas the pve trinkets gave me
and malediction
jolly sierra
also, cant say DF pvp is bad
we had A LOT of tunings
compared to other seasons
where a meta would take months to shift
topaz cedar
I don't really mean it from a perspective of like "its bad because things are broken"
it just feels less fun and the way the pacing is shifting just feels like its getting progressively more about just cleaving, even RMP if played now just has goes constantly
jolly sierra
think that is because solo shuffle
topaz cedar
nah even 3s
topaz cedar
design wise everything is getting more similar to each other
and other stuff like how mobility creep has gotten so insane, and as a result casters have stuff like precog and most casters can even just pump instants because they have to to deal with that mobility creep
idk
jolly sierra
meh that are pvp leading mistakes
they just hear the wrong feedback
we know this would happen and devs did deaf ears
topaz cedar
Guess it's my fault for not just going to wotlk but idk i dont wanna go THAT far back, just want mop or legion idk lmao
topaz cedar
i mean the issue for me is that i can choose to either do 2s and run away from warr hpal or i can try finding a comfy 3s team for 10 hours then log off
topaz cedar
i mean in wotlk
jolly sierra
so u have issues finding stuff
topaz cedar
Honestly the whole "playing on final patch" is all well and good but
stuff like warr scaled so insanely hard even in the first few tiers
because they have their 3.3.5 kit with gear from earlier tiers so their strength is much diff to how it was
jolly sierra
classic concept is flawed too
topaz cedar
Idk classic is fun
topaz cedar
Im still holding out hope that they bring AT back
topaz cedar
about hotfixes and metagame
this isnt true though
jungle won the wotlk tourney
which no one wouldve ever thought
they straight up turned meta on its head like a decade after wotlk
topaz cedar
homerjay just built diff
jolly sierra
i still recall fixed metas
topaz cedar
yea but im just saying ppl have still been innovating
wotlk pvp would be largely fixed if they just made 3s relevant again
jolly sierra
are rets crap in late patchs?
jolly sierra
finally some pve friends said they can get a 447 ilvl crafted dagger for me for 600k
think im gonna farm a little
potent pivot
o.O
jolly sierra
is that too much for the price?
potent pivot
for a crafted dagger? seems like a lot
jolly sierra
how much does cost a +16 run?
potent pivot
~100-150k depends on who you ask
jolly sierra
then are 150k each
potent pivot
ohh i see what you mean now
you're just gonna buy key boosts so you can get the mats
why not just do the dungeons? it's really ez
surreal barn
That seems way high
surreal barn
Maybe 🤔
potent pivot
yeh but i guess if you have 0 m+ rating it can be daunting to get started
jolly sierra
yep
0
getting the gold is faster tho
i just use alchemy pots alongside full gathering skills and get enough in like 20m
(10k)
surreal barn
lol I had keystone master back in legion and people didn’t even look at the date
Got lucky after starting back up
potent pivot
well now there's like official dungeon rating in the game
so it's a bit harder to sneak into runs unless you're also very geared
jolly sierra
in rio age i was always rejected
surreal barn
So it’s all checked all the time?
jolly sierra
i recall
potent pivot
So it’s all checked all the time?
yeah whenever you sign up to a m+ key they can see your current season rating
just like for pvp LFG
surreal barn
That’s awful lol
surreal barn
yeah I suppose
potent pivot
bricking a key is much worse than losing an arena match imo
waste like 5-30+ minutes
jolly sierra
and doing 0.2+ dps than u
potent pivot
no one really complains about dmg
unless your dmg is atrocious
imo there's way more dmg complaints in pvp
jolly sierra
nah, i always recalled ppl showing recounts to flex
potent pivot
m+ is all about mechanics, if you die a lot you might get flamed etc
idk i don't think flexing is that toxic
jolly sierra
i recall in a fucking lfr
potent pivot
ppl post their pics of dmg here a lot, i think it's good
jolly sierra
one harassing me in /w because i said the guy to stop complaining
jolly sierra
he said i was the shit and i had no m+ score and i would be kicked and yadda yadda yadda
jolly sierra
a guy in wod i recall him by saying he was the best ret in the server
in a highmaul pug
but was kicked cuz no gear
and he went mad
potent pivot
that's just the nature of the game
jolly sierra
in onyxia classic i recall a rog which was fresh recruited as trial
in his day 1 saying he was the best rogue
then spiked in threat and was deleted by ony
after the wipe
he dced and didn't said anything
then left in late night
odd mortar
hello panda
jolly sierra
hi
stoic spruce
I think mastery outlaw is being slept on tbh
its not amazing I mean but its not bad
I think I said this already. Nvm
jolly sierra
thought ppl here was already using it in outlaw
jolly sierra
u have one here constantly posting combat logs
stoic spruce
perhaps I should skim more often >.>
odd mortar
panda grumpy
potent pivot
I think mastery outlaw is being slept on tbh
yeah i think a fair amount of outlaw players who actually gave mastery a try realized it was decent
dull plaza
copium
vocal surge
You could just
Pug 15s
Like
15s in a new season are easy
its just hoping you dont get bad people
potent pivot
do you have honor to upgrade your pve ilvl
if so you could prob grind the dungeons in 1 day
but i feel it if you just can't stand the thought of doing pve, i've been there too lol
jolly sierra
tbh i dont wanna do pve
one of the reasons i dont do pve
is because my computer explode
the second one
is because is boring af for just huge gear
still recall SL farming necrotic wake versa mastery shoulders
did that 60 times just to get the item
potent pivot
yea SL was rough
but a big part of that was that it was the same dungeons every season
so like every season you had to go farm PF for Phial
now that all the dungeons are rotating with brand new/old school dungeons it's not bad
but it's still pve
odd mortar
momma
nova viper
still recall SL farming necrotic wake versa mastery shoulders
PVE? U mean click one rotation and check on dps meter?
potent pivot
PVE? U mean click one rotation and check on dps meter?
i think that's a bit exaggerated
jolly sierra
XD
nova viper
i think that's a bit exaggerated
"Oh i use cc on this trash when addon yelling at me"
Just kidding
but u know
potent pivot
pve rotations are fluid and based on priority just like pvp rotations when it comes down to it
procs, buff managements, etc
you can also choose to play without addons to make it fun
that's what i personally like to do
potent pivot
i mean you can say the same about pvp really
vocal surge
You literally have something telling you what to do and what to expect 24/7
jolly sierra
nah
vocal surge
and people still fuck that up hard
potent pivot
the entire concept of pvp is just "enter match, kill opponent"
vocal surge
and then your wondering how people get into high keys and have high IO scores
when they mess up a mechanic
potent pivot
You literally have something telling you what to do and what to expect 24/7
you have the same in pvp these days too lol
WAs to tell you when enemy CDs are happening
vocal surge
In PvP, they're hard stuck Challenger / Rival
potent pivot
omniCD to see when they come off CD
jolly sierra
i dont get bored w pvp tbh cuz is the people the ones u are facing
not the same npc
vocal surge
In PvE, some of these people can get up to +3k io
or have Mythic kills
and they have fast pass into pug raids when your trying to get AOTC for the first time
potent pivot
i dont get bored w pvp tbh cuz is the people the ones u are facing
ye i mean same for me tbh
but i've done both pve and pvp at the higher levels
so i can see how both can get stale
so i switch it up from time to time idk
vocal surge
I've honestly found PvP to be getting more and more stale with each season
and thats because the comps I face dont vary by much
potent pivot
yeah when the meta changes it's much more interesting
vocal surge
Its always the same base class im fighting and its usually meta
and it gets tiring having to fight that class
potent pivot
yeah
jolly sierra
RMP says hello
vocal surge
I've had to make jokes up to try n make things interesting
jolly sierra
tbh i had a lot of fun when ret got reworked
potent pivot
but like getting Cutting Edge in SL
vocal surge
Especially classes like Fury Warrior in S3 of SL
potent pivot
was much more fun than pvp to me at the time
jolly sierra
fkn fury warriors
vocal surge
Ye
potent pivot
fun wise
vocal surge
CN I grinded
even if I got no rewards from it
It was simply a fun raid
SoD was painful
I'd follow someone and tab out
potent pivot
CN was def one of the best raids they've had lately
jolly sierra
i loved nighthold back in legion
potent pivot
SoD sucked but finally killing Sylvanas on Mythic was dope
vocal surge
The only fun bosses I found in SoD
jolly sierra
ethraeus was one of the best designed bosses visual wise
potent pivot
Sepulcher really sucked
vocal surge
was Eye of the Jailer, Tarragrue, and Painsmith
jolly sierra
sepulcher was dull af design wise
potent pivot
that fight was sick pre-nerfs on mythic
vocal surge
Eye of the Jailer as Venthyr Outlaw was like a minigame on a minigame
vocal surge
Tarragrue was just different everytime since you never got perfect rolls
But there were some tricks you could do to parse higher
and then Painsmith had you focused at all times
vocal surge
Sepulcher thou, it was all around boring
jolly sierra
the raid which make me retire from pve, setup wise and playing wise
potent pivot
i liked the Nine, Painsmith etc
vocal surge
The Nine felt too long imo
potent pivot
Sepulcher thou, it was all around boring
did you do mythic tho?
vocal surge
Yea
jolly sierra
that boss just made my graphic card explode
potent pivot
the Nine was pretty short towards the end of the season when everyone was geared
potent pivot
but in Sepulcher i think Holondrus was the only "good" boss
vocal surge
even in short kills
vocal surge
I hated Council lol
potent pivot
it can be a lot of fun trying to upkeep dots
council fights are like, 3 boss fights
not just CN council, that fight was ass
but like the hunter boss in CN
it was like, 4th boss?
or was it 2nd
vocal surge
I actually liked Mythic CN Council
potent pivot
dmg not counting on the cleave was boring
vocal surge
I raided with no addons