pvp

[surreal barn]

lul

[minor cape]

i think hypers old main was a warrior

🤔

or no

[surreal barn]

One thing is when you vanish you don’t need to run so far away

[minor cape]

i want to make myself a warrior too to relax now

[shut solstice]

Today is the day outlaw gets buffed

[surreal barn]

It won’t break for a few seconds and you can often get another opener from it

[shut solstice]

Mark my words

[minor cape]

please

[shut solstice]

I believe

[minor cape]

i really want to have another spec that i can enjoy

besides sub

[pastel burrow]

Outlaw:
We've decided to give back Cannon Barrage from Legion

That's it

That's all the patch will be

[wary spire]

Ay yo, can you please tell me what are those 2 WA and this addon that shows cooldowns? I had omni with cooldowns before, but it sucks now.

[harsh steppe]

ty

[harsh steppe]

ah ok, yah i keep getting pulled out of stealth so often i just run away far now regardless, if i can figure out when to vanish w/o being pulled out i could prob time it better

[harsh steppe]

gladiusex for the enemy frames & the wa is
https://justpaste.it/cqt7j

[sharp sierra]

Bottom right is Gladius not sure about the top

[harsh steppe]

ahaha no, mm hunter

lol

[languid ravine]

there is two outcomes:
-enemy stealth may opener regardless of sapped healer
-enemy stealth opener may be delayed due to sapped healer

[wary spire]

Thanks! Hehe, gladiu sex

[harsh steppe]

lol

[harsh steppe]

in pikaboo's guide it says to sap > blind the healer on open & if i can do that it's an easy 1800... buttt i don't think that's true

[languid ravine]

sounds plausible to me

[wary spire]

Yeah! I sometimes sap the healer even if enemies are in stealth just in case enemy opens. Probably a bad habit though - the higher you go the less that will happen.

[languid ravine]

I cant even find the guide, there is so much trash on his channel

[pale storm]

You want you sap and blind to be effective though, sap healer and then cheap off target, cheap kill target, pop CDs and try force defensives/trinkets
Then you can just peel/line until diminishing returns reset and you can try go again, this time kidney healer, cheap off target, cheap kill, blind healer off kidney, then can sap off that, cheap kill target a second time etc

That guide was like start of s1 pretty sure

[harsh steppe]

yah s1

[wary spire]

There's a lot of mistakes that I make as well when I re-watch my own goes - burst purely with muscle memory and without a plan, tunnel vision, waste of sprint just because.

The only thing that I found odd - is the overcapping of combo points out of shadow dance.

[unborn portal]

[languid ravine]

please refrain from overcapping unless target dies in exactly 1 global

[wary spire]

Is that a representation of tunnel vision?

[languid ravine]

.xd

[wintry dew]

I get you, i really do, but by him doing that he put himself in a super dangerous place because a) hunter could have flared him down, activating the trap vanish like many do and b) if you didn't vanish or peaced out, you could have gotten stunned by the druid and either died or forced defensive CDs from our part

But that hunter was kind of a joke tbh

Especially backpedaling

[languid ravine]

well it doesnt matter now, the vid got DMC'ad :- )

[wintry dew]

Got what

I have no idea what that means

[languid ravine]

DMCA'd

nuked in the name of capital rights

[wintry dew]

What does that have to do with any of it xD

[languid ravine]

it means the video is gone

[wintry dew]

It's up there

[fathom dew]

I only watched the first round but the tunnel vision is real

[wintry dew]

You just gotta scroll up

[fathom dew]

Kidney on healer is def the move in most cases

Throw those gouges in there

Rogue can def zugzug big dmg but control is more important

[harsh steppe]

oh it's not avail in some countries it looks like because i had copyright music on it, mb, next time ill record w/o music

[unborn portal]

there is music / playlists that are freeuse

so you wouldnt have to worry about music being dmcad

[waxen meteor]

tbh i watched the first game I am a bit not sure what you are trying to do, and you used all CDs including double dance, dodge and cloak in like 30 seconds

the first sap, what was the reason of that

against BM/RET/RDruid, it's probably best idea to go RET anyway.
Either you sap wait for DH to come over then open hard to push for bubble, which very likely you can in this case, or if you want to wait for 1 min till hunter shows up, which is extremely uncommon in solo

2. I think you need to use Kidney once it goes out to DR for most cases

3. the reason to throw the bomb against BM not of stun is unclear to me as well

[waxen meteor]

we really can zug zug big dmg?

especially sub?

[fathom dew]

I’m talking about outlaw only of course

Does anyone play flag? Pika was making it look godly last night but ofc that was against 1600 shitters in 2s

[waxen meteor]

lots are playing flag now

i personally don't but i did last season

it can be arguablly better than the last talent on sub tree

[fathom dew]

I was hittin a dummy with it and the sectechs and evis dmg was absurd

[waxen meteor]

I think lots of flexible points on sub tree

[fathom dew]

I have yet to touch brew

[waxen meteor]

well brew more for no tier set guys

but i think even if you go rotten

Might be tradable

[fathom dew]

Not a huge fan of Macab

Gonna have to play around with some builds later today. I’ve only gone rotten up to this point

[waxen meteor]

I also see a r1 rogue in NA uses 5% magic damage one over macab

not sure if it's truly better but it could be an idea

[fathom dew]

Seems like a fine alternative to me

Trying to get big sectecs from macab stacks isn’t ideal to me

[waxen meteor]

there doesn't seem to be a clear meta out three for sub talent

but play style varies a bit based on the talent choice

[topaz cedar]

Last season I had sepsis

[waxen meteor]

all of them can be somewhere good

[fathom dew]

Love the diversity def make sit interesting

I absolutely hate echo tho

[topaz cedar]

not the talent, the disease, from how shit the spec was after the patch

[waxen meteor]

i am doing brew till tier set, but sad thing is i am so getting used to it now

not sure if i would love to change to rotten soon

[fathom dew]

Damn still no 2 set??

[minor cape]

i think people are still playing brew

even with tier

[waxen meteor]

I like it

[minor cape]

its just that both are good

now

equally

[waxen meteor]

I also feel 6cp with echo can be super good

over 7cp

[harsh steppe]

ty @waxen meteor

[waxen meteor]

very nice, 40 mins queue, someone disconnected

[austere thorn]

Guys we did it

For the last 72 hours, outlaw has been the least played spec in the game, tanks included. This is EU 3v3

[waxen meteor]

EU doesn't count

[quaint cedar]

It's actually disgusting that such a fun spec has been left in the gutter for so long

We've already gone through an entire season of outlaw being the lowest represented spec. Now it's even worse.

And the only adjustments we've gotten are like

[jolly sierra]

i've watched hyper's video

[quaint cedar]

dispatch damage increased by 5%

It's a total joke

[jolly sierra]

and dont get why he hits inmune targets during the moment

xd

[quaint cedar]

I'm lucky to have a regular 2s partner to play with right now that doesn't mind playing with outlaw

Most people don't have that

Can't imagine many people take outlaw into groups right now

If he quits, I'm out too

[jolly sierra]

nope, that is the reason SS exists

[quaint cedar]

Not putting up with this garbage anymore

No SS is asscheeks

[jolly sierra]

to take the stray ones

[quaint cedar]

I don't want to wait 40 minutes to get teabagged by destro lock demo lock boomy every game

[river pollen]

Guys is it worth it to get some some set pieces from the wpvp gear for extra mastery statd or is it better to get all conquest gear for 3 extra ilvl

[waxen meteor]

Join them

I see the exp boost event is coming back

Well tbh i feel hutner is at a better and better position now due to this meta

in solo, not in 3s etc.

[jolly sierra]

i just got 6-0 players in last night

dunno how that is possible

[quaint cedar]

Yeah if we don't get nerfs for locks and boomies by then, expect even more rerolls

[jolly sierra]

but nobody defeated them

[quaint cedar]

Tbh I'd rather just quit than play anything other than outlaw

[jolly sierra]

arms warrior is losing ground now tho

compared to expected in ptr

[quaint cedar]

Like it's weird. If outlaw is good I'll enjoy the game and even play alts. Because then it's a choice to play an alt, so I'm having fun. But if outlaw is unplayable and I'm only playing an alt because of that... then it's just not fun

[jolly sierra]

in SS

[quaint cedar]

Rather just play a different game at that point

[jolly sierra]

xddddd

[quaint cedar]

Yeah fury seems to be pulling ahead

[jolly sierra]

dunno what the fuck is expecting for us

this game

u have all enh chickens and destro unleashed

doing their BS without being stopped

[quaint cedar]

I'm still amazed they haven't been touched yet

With boomy and lock being meta, I'm sitting CC more than ever

So much for those CC changes lol

[surreal barn]

Ngl one of my alts is an undead and the racial is coming in handy lately

[quaint cedar]

It's ok for boomies to bash triple clone you or for locks to coil triple fear you but I can't have my 2 minute CD last longer than 5 seconds

[jolly sierra]

we had a 6-0 one last night who even we stopped all his fkn cyclones he still melted my partner

[quaint cedar]

What, outlaw's main win condition was using 1.5 min blind to CC the healer so you can land a kill? Get fucked nerd, here's a 5% dispatch buff, that's good enough right?

[jolly sierra]

we tried to juggle all the fkn time and still lose

[jolly sierra]

no dude tbh i dunno tf is happening at this step

specially w outlaws and dks

[quaint cedar]

I'm pretty sure pure rage is the only way I win games now lol

[jolly sierra]

go fury warr

[quaint cedar]

lol

That spec really rustles my jimmies

Those little shits run around pressing 2 buttons and out damage me when I'm juggling procs and buffs and debuffs and whatever

It feels bad

[jolly sierra]

rampage bloodbath bloodbath rampage bloodbath bloodbath rampage bloodbath bloodbath

[surreal barn]

43 min queue and counting 💀

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[jolly sierra]

blizzard disowned rogues it seems

[sharp sierra]

Fury warrior my beloved

No brain just zug zug

[jolly sierra]

me smash

[quaint cedar]

Blizzard says you will zug and you will like it

[harsh steppe]

how do i know if they are immune?

[jolly sierra]

bruh u are fkn tracking the icons

look when u hit into the bop, the bubble and the carapace

the 3 times u tried to hit inside that, with the icon up in their nameplate

[harsh steppe]

so i just need to memorize every skill in game that makes them immune? is there not a one size fits all = immune way to tell?

[unborn portal]

yes there actually is

do you use gladiusex

[harsh steppe]

yes

[unborn portal]

theres a section you can change the spell effects to just one icon

like stun will just look like kidney shot for example

so you dont have to remember what every stun icon looks like

im not home so I cant show exactly

but open gladiusex

[unborn portal]

yeah thats it

🙂

[harsh steppe]

ty

[unborn portal]

I also changed incap to gogue; disorient to blind

and for disarm you can use the rogue one as well

if it makes it easier too

[harsh steppe]

yep def will tytyty

[unborn portal]

it helped a lot when I came back after a few expansions

[jolly sierra]

also

don't disarm casters

[harsh steppe]

lol

[unborn portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226359213427916800/1113217020863975516/FB_IMG_1668126269310.png

[jolly sierra]

fkn picture lol

[harsh steppe]

i do that shit all the time cuz i panic

[jolly sierra]

in that context

u should disarm the ret in wings and the dh in meta

[harsh steppe]

ty

[unborn portal]

also try not to disarm then stun

no point to stun if hes disarmed unless you're like VERY dead

and you worry

just stun instead

[harsh steppe]

ok tysm

i shoudl probably just go back to theif's bargain, one less thing to worry about

[minor cape]

about what damage should an outlaw parse on dummy

fellas

[surreal barn]

Don’t disarm mages

[minor cape]

or what are you going to do

[surreal barn]

Despite what some may tell you here

[minor cape]

cry about it

piss your pants maybe

😎

btw any eu kings for 2s?

[surreal barn]

@harsh steppe also use shadowstep as a getaway on your healer when you’re getting trained

[harsh steppe]

yah i have ss to party 1/2 macroed to keybinds, but i also have ss to cursor player, & i think my brain short circuits with all those... i'll have to just pick one

[jolly sierra]

at least trickz is not here to chastise

i would go w u if i have a healer

[unborn portal]

I'll do it for him

this is not lfg

[cobalt pewter]

sub rogue does more single target damage per second than fury or arms

blizzard

[jolly sierra]

mud teach me how to play fury

literal day 1

[cobalt pewter]

fury is auto attack and 1 button

[minor cape]

no it doesnt

[cobalt pewter]

u can figure it iut

[minor cape]

lol

[jolly sierra]

kk

[cobalt pewter]

does too

[minor cape]

it does a good dps tho

[cobalt pewter]

sub rogue just spam goes all game

destro sub best comp in game rn

[minor cape]

yeah, its burst kinda make up for overall damage

now

[cobalt pewter]

hmm kidney healer cheap spam this mmkay got cds tab next cheap spam mmkay got more cds nice kidney healer again repeat

90k dps all game

[minor cape]

90k what

how teach me

😎

[cobalt pewter]

nerf sub

buff arms

[minor cape]

sub is the new arms

cya later old man

[scarlet shell]

i dont play warrior bc i respect my intelligence.

shoutout to my level 33 Draenei warrior that will remain in aszuna until the end of time.

[minor cape]

my mental capacity is too small for arms warrior sorry

[river pollen]

what is a good ilvl to start solo shuffle

[nova viper]

guys!

2 daggers

or mainhand dagger

and second someone else?

[jolly sierra]

sub? think in MH dagger and vers mastery OH

[surreal barn]

After having the spiteblade back on my back there’s no going back to dagger OH lol

[jolly sierra]

kek

[languid ravine]

man I spent 4 hours grinding my fury honor gear and I was bored after TWO rounds of shuffle

guess thats still better than getting tilted after one round on assa or outlaw

[river pollen]

does the mastery make up for the slower mace attack speed?

[jolly sierra]

yes

shadow techniques is adapted to both slow and fast weps

[harsh steppe]

asap

people will call you trash but fuck 'em, just earn that honor and buy pieces as you go

[unborn portal]

I would not do that

buy green pvp set from AH; do bgs till you have blue honor set; craft your 3 shadowflame crafted pieces tbh

then get in there; being mmr binned is terrible

[fathom dew]

We are the same

[jolly sierra]

i wouldn't do that tbh

min full blue full enchanted

and would think about joining

[fathom dew]

Doesn’t solo have a minimum pvp ilvl

[unborn portal]

yes it does

I dont like to queue for the week if theres even 1 thing I can min/max but thats just me

[minor cape]

lol

dudes im a wintrader now!

[harsh steppe]

ahaha

[fathom dew]

Reported

My dads a janitor at blizz you’re screwed

[unborn portal]

reply : reported for reporting

[minor cape]

dude just jelly i went 4-2 and he went 2-4

lololo

[unborn portal]

I had a warrior on my team as disc priest; first three rounds we go 0-3 after last game he types 0-6 DISC PRIEST

proceeds to 0-6 lobby and I get 3-3

went to whisper

already was blocked

he was not happy Im sure

[fathom dew]

LOL

he melded that shit

[unborn portal]

the worst part of ss is you dont have time to plant flag of ownership on people

[jolly sierra]

got this guy leaving the match

cuz i broke a 6-0

to this one

[wary spire]

Wer goddam updates blizzard, the whole wowhead is covered by Diablo

[pale storm]

first game W with @harsh steppe

[wary spire]

The first of many!

[unborn portal]

GAMING

[jolly sierra]

finally i broke the curse

fucking enh shams

[jolly sierra]

cmon u are not done

keep pumping

[minor cape]

damn i wish i could play with hyper too instead of an autistic mage that i found in lfg

but im not US

😩

[waxen meteor]

wow nice 1800 mmr ret/des

[jolly sierra]

at least u have a mage

hmm

wanna try w my ret?

[waxen meteor]

i got tricked by high rank ret/des everynow and then

[minor cape]

fuck i just left

[jolly sierra]

np for another day

[waxen meteor]

if ret trinketed first stun and go blind or stun back, it's kinda hard

[minor cape]

ret sub tommorow? 😎

[jolly sierra]

if u find me

sure

[minor cape]

🫡

[minor cape]

fellas could you explain how you are doing 250 eviscerates in brew

i cant even get a 150

on a dummy

im a rotten boi

[cobalt pewter]

Just got off the phone with Ion and Mike, rogue nerfs announced tonight for sure.

[minor cape]

mud my uncle is a janitor in blizzard he said arms warrior gets removed completely

he said it's Mud's fault (he trolled blizzards favourite class)

was it worth it?

[pale storm]

rogue buffs pls

[jolly sierra]

hello holinka will u post something about pvp today?

[wary spire]

https://youtu.be/wrJ6_GAprFE

[minor cape]

@cobalt pewter if i make a warrior you have to coach me

[minor cape]

gigasoy

[jolly sierra]

gigavirgin

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-giga-chad-chad-gif-23788137

[minor cape]

caught you in 4k

[jolly sierra]

a guy today tried to charge me 5k gold just to reroll stats in my ring for my warr

[minor cape]

im making a warrior

[jolly sierra]

switched to fury

told the guy i dont care about downgrades

charged me 1

and got a nice bis fury ring

KEK

im sure

mud comes here

to convert rogues

to warriors

[unborn portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1089978625480204398/1114263927044452543/IMG_5046.png

[jolly sierra]

@cobalt pewter do you advice using shadowflame wreathe enchant as fury?

the thing i found funny is this chat is than ppl doesn't go mad when another classes come here trolling

[cobalt pewter]

ye

[river pollen]

should i go for the scalewarden sword OH for extra mastery?

[jolly sierra]

thank u chad

[river pollen]

it has less vers tho

[jolly sierra]

use the scalewarden mace

[waxen meteor]

How much of Boomy's dmg is from DOT?

[jolly sierra]

dunno

[river pollen]

i don't see it

let me check again

[jolly sierra]

cudgel

[river pollen]

Ooooh that one

But it has haste

I want vers/mast cus I am sub rogue

[jolly sierra]

nono

there are 1

with versa mastery besides the sword

[river pollen]

Ohh nice i see it

[river pollen]

So the difference between that and the sword is that i has 7 more mastery but 7 less vers

[jolly sierra]

its something

[river pollen]

Should vers be prioritized over mastery in pvp or mastery

Rip my question

[minor cape]

mastery over vers

[river pollen]

Ohh okay thank you chads

One more thing on icy veins it says that the best weapons for pvp are double conq daggers for sub rogue

Is it for the faster speed that give more combo points

[jolly sierra]

shadow techniques is fixed

[wary spire]

Wot

Ay!

[lucid citrus]

They nerfed sub lol

[jolly sierra]

= D

[fading blade]

Lol sub nerfs

[wary spire]

JESUS

And fucking nothing for 'law.

[wary spire]

Shadowstrike and Backstab damage from Weaponmaster is now 50% effective in PvP combat.

Was it 100% before?

[fading blade]

Tbf with all the other pvp nerfs to classes sub won’t feel as bad still

[lucid citrus]

Yeah i feel like the sectec won’t be bad

[fading blade]

2 set still fucks

[wary spire]

Well, we just lost lots of burst and gained nothing for it.

[jolly sierra]

they gave me a treat

well im happy anyways

the biggest threats are being neutralized

[fading blade]

Yeah lost some burst but can pray for huge evis crit

[wary spire]

Kinda scared about that.

[jolly sierra]

yeah that is the reason i switched to fury

was doing very low dmg

even w buffs from last tuning

but that ninja buff to assa

is coming very well, believe me

[wary spire]

Will assa now slam with that juicy 5% increase?

[fading blade]

No

[jolly sierra]

it was already doing good dmg

[tawny kestrel]

ppl rly saying "lol they nerfed sub"

sub is broken

ofc they nerf it

[wary spire]

If it's so broken why am I still bad!

[fading blade]

Well yeah

[lucid citrus]

Them buffing warrs really shows that they want pvp to feel like pve

[wary spire]

Please don't anser that

[tawny kestrel]

just l2p issue ofc

[wary spire]

delete

[fading blade]

Sub is cracked

Still cracked

[jolly sierra]

im really thinking what will do enh now

w chickens

[fading blade]

Sin will do 5% better

[tribal badger]

Enh chicken and lock buffs all at once

🤤

Nerfs*

Where outlaw buffs

[jolly sierra]

buffs

KEK

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[tribal badger]

Arms buffs as well

[fading blade]

Those classes getting nerf is a giga buff for us too

[tribal badger]

🤤

[keen dune]

I just want them to inflate the mmr

[tribal badger]

Bro those boomkin nerfs r pretty sizable and honestly thank god

Literally afk spam instants entire game and only hardcasf they ever touched was rotating clones

[jolly sierra]

yeah

[tribal badger]

Such a toxic playstyle whenever they buff it

[jolly sierra]

i was tired of those fuckers going 6-0

[fading blade]

Still gonna shiv warrior on cd enjoy the walking simulator

[tribal badger]

Same for destro

"OH I stopped all the bolts all game"

"Why is destro still doing 50k dps"

[fading blade]

Climbing will be more enjoyable now

[jolly sierra]

finally we got good tunings

[tribal badger]

Sub could literally 100 to zero a class without a defensive up in a kidney bomb so like

This nerf is now ur partner needs to hit them a bit as well

Very reasonable

[fading blade]

Yeah

[jolly sierra]

btw

u were expecting nerfs

so i dont get why u are so surprised now lol

[fading blade]

What was the dark shadow talent again

[jolly sierra]

shadow dance dmg increases a 15% more

[minor cape]

got a link

for patchnotes

[jolly sierra]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/class-tuning-incoming-june-6-1605851

[minor cape]

thanks g

[jolly sierra]

np

[minor cape]

subs nerfs are only fair

[jolly sierra]

same for enh and chickens

fuck them

i wonder

if using whirling dragon punch will be good in pvp w the buff

in wod and legion was bis at least in pve

[tribal badger]

Tbh nobody has hurt me as bad as enhance this season i hope those nerfs r enough

Only class I've died actually 100 to zero in under a gcd to

And it was the same gcd he activated cds

I had basically zero time to react

[jolly sierra]

i was able to survive them in 2s for some time

[tribal badger]

Still have ptsd even tho it's only happened one time this season

[jolly sierra]

but in the end

[tribal badger]

Nah it was just rng

[jolly sierra]

always ended using all my defs

[tribal badger]

Very rare occurance

[jolly sierra]

and then would fkn die

pointless

[tribal badger]

Still not fun to see a 0.7s death to just 1 class tho

From full hp

[jolly sierra]

at least sub was disarmable

and more predictable

[grand haven]

no outlaw buffs

[jolly sierra]

compared to fkn enh

[wise breach]

5%

[jolly sierra]

5% for free

good shit

[waxen meteor]

lol my DH game, this is really chilling solo game

Just zugzugzug

[minor cape]

weaponmaster was bullshit

[inner yew]

Is sub really that good in pvp?

[jolly sierra]

me dh me thrash

[minor cape]

it is

and still will be

Tarny, isnt that damage from killing his own summon?

do they do that still

[jolly sierra]

yes

they turned that cov ability into talent

[tribal badger]

They do a ton of dps but alotnof it is the cleave bleed and a fair portion is the demon as well

Don't think they r really unreasonable rn

[waxen meteor]

Not really, main dmg are real dmg

[tribal badger]

They rarely cleave people to death unless ur perma stacked

[jolly sierra]

they are fair

still squishy

[tribal badger]

Also vs unholy dk prob 15% of his dps is to pets

Let's be real

[waxen meteor]

yeah true

[jolly sierra]

btw

[tribal badger]

Just autocleave off all his spells

[jolly sierra]

what happened w dk buffs

lol

[waxen meteor]

roughly 15% went to different pets

[wary spire]

Will try assa after the patch hits.

2200 in no time.

[jolly sierra]

kek

[waxen meteor]

Dark shadow is which one?

[minor cape]

oh fuck wait

its not lingering

fuuuuuuck

😵‍💫

[jolly sierra]

dark is the shadow dance increased dmg talent

[minor cape]

its the dance one

fuck this shit

[waxen meteor]

fuck

[minor cape]

i mean we will be fine anyway

its like a 5% damage nerf

chill daddy

[waxen meteor]

nuh nuh nuh

roughly 10% dmg drop for ST as of today

[minor cape]

its okay

[waxen meteor]

on top of that with dance

[minor cape]

sec tech damage is stupid

[jolly sierra]

FIVE PERCENT INCREASE FIVE PERCENT INCREASE

[fading blade]

rogue nerfs are ok, the talent nerf is a bit cringe but w/e

[minor cape]

we still have huge dam

[shut solstice]

Outlaw:

[minor cape]

i doubt you will even notice

much difference

many people play non sectech anyway

[wary spire]

More like outlul.

[jolly sierra]

outlawl

[shut solstice]

Outlawl

It is seen.

[wary spire]

Maybe it's time to drop it then. Frees up 2 talents.

[shut solstice]

This is the new spec name

[fading blade]

you prob will still take tech to make up for dance dmg nerf

[minor cape]

cmon man

[tawny kestrel]

tbh its so fking hard to balance sub properly

[fading blade]

ya

[tawny kestrel]

its either bad or broken

[minor cape]

yes

[tawny kestrel]

as soon as it cant solo stuff in shuffle it becomes bad

cus then it relies on proper setups

that u cant get in shuffle

so its rough

[minor cape]

the everyday ravenholdt pvp topic xd

raz what do you thinj

will it still be cracked

after nerfs

[fading blade]

yes

[tawny kestrel]

prolly fine still

[jolly sierra]

force urself in community council raz and help w rework

[tawny kestrel]

but not as good obv

[minor cape]

are you playing law?

now

raz

[tawny kestrel]

im number 1 in shuffle other than that no

[minor cape]

do you think its better for shuffle?

🤔

[tawny kestrel]

no

its fucking awful

[minor cape]

okay makes sense

nerf raz

[fading blade]

sub not as 1 shotty rng, sin def likes that 5% big ruptures

[jolly sierra]

at least is honest

lol

[waxen meteor]

when teammate doesn't colabrate, sub is hard

and sometimes people just don't

[jolly sierra]

5% big ruptures = more dmg from tier set

XD

[minor cape]

raz really be out there playing outlaw just to flex

[jolly sierra]

take raz and put him into a magic ball to ask him stuff

[minor cape]

make him into an ai

[shut solstice]

Do you stat full mastery?

[waxen meteor]

so 80% of 30% bonus = 24% as of today.
67% of 30% bonus = 20% as of tomorrow.

basically 4% less bonus from dance

but i think there are several bonus for dmg during dance

not sure how they stack

[scarlet shell]

Why are they needing flag I was having fun with it for the past few weeks

[tawny kestrel]

ye

[shut solstice]

This is the way

I believe. One day we’ll get a buff

[tawny kestrel]

i know, i said as soon as 10.1 came out 😄

[waxen meteor]

but honestly, a couple of % here, a couple of % there

we said it would be okay

till it's not

[scarlet shell]

And ofc no outlaw pvp changes.

[waxen meteor]

same story last season

[shut solstice]

Watch. Tomorrow morning they’ll be like SIKE.

Outlaw: Killing spree duration reduced by 50%

Killing spree damage increased by 200%

Killing Spree now makes you immune to CC

Outlaw now does 50% damage through immunity

[grand haven]

200% of 0 is still 0 brother

[shut solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-crying-gif-24196106

[austere thorn]

We wont. Raz and Trimaz and their alts make up half of the outlaw population so when the intern responsible for balancing pvp checks the 'data' hes just like " oh wow over half of outlaw players have above avg win rate at glad range I guess they are fine"

[scarlet shell]

Just give outlaw Gash Frenzy

[austere thorn]

Im not even kidding

[waxen meteor]

Imagine never played a minute of sub with tier before nerf

[jolly sierra]

got a 6-0 healer now

its something got the daily treat

this guy is learning, nice

im surprised

the healer wasn't the toxic one this time

XD

[native glacier]

Literally 80% of specs currently could 1 shot someone in a kidney with no defensives up

[proven kayak]

some specs dont need even a stun

to one shot someone

[native glacier]

Everyone has insane damage sub just has insane control

[proven kayak]

they do it through pressure itself by spamming 3 buttons

in rotate

[native glacier]

A slight nerf to teq is fine but other than that out of touch; eviscerate hits like a noodle in comparison to other classes big hitters

[proven kayak]

my only problem is i took offhand with mastery for sub and have to wait to buy dagger oh for assa

[native glacier]

Get the drakebreaker dagger.

[proven kayak]

plus i didnt play the 2 set sub :<

i have drakebreaker

[native glacier]

Idk wtf people are talking about like it was insane or something

It was decent sub in itself is good. By the way the 4pc is completely trash

[alpine tinsel]

Assa with a small dam buff and nerfs to big dps and healers

Me likey

except for when I want to play my disc rip

[quaint cedar]

Wow, look at all those outlaw buffs! 🙃

[waxen meteor]

Warrior

Arms
Developers’ notes: Arms Warriors are not performing as well as we would like in single target or low-target-count situations.
All ability damage increased by 4%.
Fatality Fatal Mark damage increased by 15%.
Deep Wounds periodic damage increased by 5%.
Rend periodic damage increased by 5%.

[jolly sierra]

imagine this in dk context

[undone bobcat]

So strange buff for sin.
Just a flat 5% dmg increase... For real - do we have overal dps problem? I'd rather pref envenom buff - totally useless buttom atm, not worth to push at all. Same dot dmg as a feral while speced arterial precision, but ferocious bite can crit like 150-165k rarely with all the procs etc, meanwhile envenom max crit 80k+-.

And btw... Ok, i've accepted blind vanish sap nerf, removal of sprint freedom etc... Ok, somebody says this is a caster meta atm, but for me - 80%+ games are double disc (pain supprecion, pi and no healing at all), double warrior+dh \ enh \ boomy. Totally do not fucking care about dps, i'm a bit tired of just a pve gangbang hit the rogue and do nothing more. 2caster+1melee+no disc is fucking holiday. 3casters is a dream i've never seen for 500+ round this season

[jolly sierra]

maybe in pve they have problems

but the dmg was fine

so now will be even better

[undone bobcat]

Make outlaw great again ffs to smash theese warrior baboons

[halcyon timber]

Small increases seem to be their goal with things. 5% to all abilities not including 15% extra of mutilate or whatever as an example being bleed damage may be why they are choosing to be cautious on tuning.

[tawny kestrel]

if theyre doing a crazy amount of changes to rogue for 10.1.5 they probably wont spend much time on changes at the moment

[undone bobcat]

once again - caster meta ff - ret, arms, fdk, double disc and poor me sin rogue

[tawny kestrel]

so aura buffs are easy to do

[undone bobcat]

hate it

[tawny kestrel]

u have to remember it takes a lot of blizzard brain power to come up with rogue changes

it took them quite a while coming up with that 1 change to 1 singular roll the bones buff

[halcyon timber]

Who knows man, we will see.

[tawny kestrel]

and they still think they can balance subs current design

complete delusion

[lucid citrus]

I really wonder what the rework is going to be for rogues lol

[halcyon timber]

Get rid of ds nonsense and put us back to wod / cata hopefully

[tawny kestrel]

fking beg them to make sub like it used to be

nothing would make me happier

and make dfa a useful capstone talent

best rogue ability ever

[halcyon timber]

Dfa prob will honestly come back

St is a goofy gimmick that should shove it

[waxen meteor]

Windwalker
Developers’ notes: Whirling Dragon Punch has felt underwhelming and we’d like it to feel impactful to use without being a major portion of a Windwalker’s damage profile.
Whirling Dragon Punch damage increased by 80% in PvP combat.

80%?

[wintry dew]

Animation is 5/5, DMG used to be good, and became a PvP talent.....

[halcyon timber]

What was it doing before?

[waxen meteor]

It's probably not major dmg component

but 80%?

[halcyon timber]

RSK WDP time for the sierra mist boys

[torn shore]

What is dfa?

[undone bobcat]

I don't believe in rogue changes. Blizz anounced previously - mage rework, holy pala and rogue. We've seen some mage rework, holy pala and... Wlock talent changes and wlock PET SKIN customization ffs. I don't believe in this company at all 😄

And even Holinka as soon as seen this season situation - "fuck this shit, i'm out"

[jolly sierra]

dude just wait

[vocal surge]

Blizzard should really post the statistics they see

[jolly sierra]

we are in the queue

[vocal surge]

out in public

[jolly sierra]

they did in wod

until subs dropped hard

so they have all private

[vocal surge]

bruh

[jolly sierra]

i'll check the dmg w monk, sec

[quaint cedar]

I just don't understand why it's so difficult for blizzard to just slap a 10-15% buff on outlaw

[jolly sierra]

maybe for dice rolls

[quaint cedar]

What do they not understand about "least represented dps spec in all rated brackets"?

Seriously wtf is the hangup here

[jolly sierra]

im watching the WDP from ww

[wanton breach]

assa viable on reset?

[jolly sierra]

this is the dmg untalented and unbuffed

[quaint cedar]

Also completely agree that sub is a mess and can't ever be balanced

It needs a redesign badly

[jolly sierra]

monk RSK has 56k dmg

this would be the baseline dmg in pvp buffed

if is 80%

imo, its a pickup

as former pve WW player

im doing room for this rn

[halcyon timber]

Subtlety just goes back to wod design and that’s that. Stop doing silly stuff.

[halcyon timber]

Yeh ww is going to slap + serenity and such

[odd mortar]

is sub rogue getting nerfed lol?

[vocal surge]

Yep

Subtlety
Developers’ notes: Burst damage from Subtlety has been higher than we’d like this season. We’re looking to keep the spec in a strong position while toning down their burst potential in short windows.
Secret Technique damage is now reduced by 33% in PvP combat (was 25%).
Shadowstrike and Backstab damage from Weaponmaster is now 50% effective in PvP combat.
Flagellation’s Mastery bonus is now 80% effective in PvP combat.
Dark Shadow is now 67% effective in PvP combat (was 80%).

I sure love statistics

Surely, some game experience lets people know if a class is op or not

[jolly sierra]

i already checked the dropable talent

so yeah, will hit like a truck

[tawny kestrel]

it is

[odd mortar]

I dont see how rogue needed a nerf

unless ur playing coordinated setups with the burst

[chrome schooner]

which every good player is doing

[odd mortar]

well as mostly an ss player

i guess i will just go ahead and quit now lol

[chrome schooner]

or! you try to climb until people have enough game sense to play around your stuns, even in shuffle :p

because at some point most people have some sense, even if they aren't all masters of rmp science

[tawny kestrel]

sub most definitely needed a nerf

[odd mortar]

i play more games and more hours then most people have the freedom too

and unless im absolute garbage, I only got wins in those burst windows and i zigzag up and down in rating due to the ladder

[tawny kestrel]

if u were hard struggling as sub then yes all it is is a l2p issue

[river pollen]

hey could anyone tell me rq how many trophy of strife we get per quest

[odd mortar]

i think its 8

It looks like most classes got nerfed

may not be as bad

[river pollen]

oh thats good if its 8 that means i can get my weapon next week

[jolly sierra]

thoughts about that minimum 5% buff? XD

sub was absolutely expected to get nerfed

since a lot of weeks ago

[odd mortar]

sadge

we will still be decent?

Even though im not lol

[jolly sierra]

dunno

[river pollen]

I just started playing again so ofc sub was gonna get disrespected

Subs always get caught lacking whenever I’m active

[stiff cedar]

out of curiosity, since idk how the scaling works, obviously dark shadow is a mod that increases dance dmg by 30%. they nerfed that mod by 13%. is that a 13% nerf to dance damage? or how does it work exactly. if you do 1.3x0.8 (previous pvp mod) it's 1.04, if you do 1.3x0.67 (new mod) its 0.87, so that's like decrease in the mod of 17%? is that what the dmg mod will actually decrease to? any crunchy numbers ppl

[chrome schooner]

well it's a flat dmg buff

not much to say

we''ll be ... exactly 5% better

[jolly sierra]

noice

[harsh steppe]

time to reroll to sin

[river pollen]

Can anyone tell me why everyone hypes the mace but icy veins says 2 daggers,

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-gif-25114503

[river pollen]

Is icy veins lackin

[native glacier]

Lol it’s still going to be worse in shuffle especially. We are in a huge burst meta, hoping to rot people down before someone gets globaled is not a recipe to success.

[jolly sierra]

OI how many times need to say u to go ptr to teach u assa

[chrome reef]

So are we going Gloomblade build

Over the cheesy Sectec one

[surreal barn]

@tawny kestrel after this you think 4pc a little more valuable?

I’ve got it now, just can’t really tell if it’s any better haha

[unborn portal]

[tawny kestrel]

i think 4p is already worth it for sub

u gain like 10-15% mastery not wearing 4 set

so depends how much value u put on secret tech rly

[native glacier]

It did nothing for evisc for me on rot build.

[tawny kestrel]

u will most likely already hit mastery DR with 4 set

[surreal barn]

95% at the moment

[native glacier]

If I get the gloves next and can drop shoulders maybe. Shoulders are pretty tough on the stats.

[tawny kestrel]

i will at least run 4 set

i get plenty of mastery cus of pve items

[surreal barn]

Interested in seeing how these nerfs hit us

Tbh I run gloomblade build already I like it

Can hop from tar to tar just wrecking

[narrow tangle]

mace mastery

why did we get nerf

damn i forgot sub rogue is no longer %40 wr so they had to take it down

[dusk spindle]

whats the general play style for sub rogue?

[azure adder]

The decrease is pretty much 3% during dance. (1.24-1.2)/1.24

[stiff cedar]

oh so essentially the % change equation, aight. ty man

[azure adder]

Yep, quite simple math in the end.

[stiff cedar]

that it is. i guess i wasn't really factoring for the fact that only the dmg mod was nerfed, and that happens before it's applied to dance

[pale storm]

Anyone play vulpera? Is the heal/damage in the racial any good?

[jolly sierra]

owo

tbh i don't know any vulpera rog at least here

[topaz cedar]

they're all at furfest rn

[last jasper]

Jeez, just got 2 set. Didn’t have time even to try it out. And we got nerfed…

To put cherry on top -5% max hp on my fire mage alt. 🥲

[proper heath]

I'm not saying sub rogues just got F'd in the A

But oof

thats harsh

"We’re looking to keep the spec in a strong position while toning down their burst potential in short windows."
But we are nerfing every single aspect of your damage, and giving you nothing to compensate.

They are still the best spec hands down. But still. 😄

[waxen meteor]

don't worry i haven't even tried

[pastel burrow]

it's okay

heal is extremely niche, damage can crit and it's basically a serrated bone spike, 20-30k

when the stars align and a mage who's on 2% hp has you rooted and it's all you've got left, it's pretty funny to just glass him from a distance

[jolly sierra]

i was trying the FL lego quest alone

but seems even with lock doesn't work

maybe i'll ask some friend later for that

[hidden dome]

What the hell Blizzard

You are buffing MM Hunters since they " have been underperforming in different forms of PvP content."

But leave Outlaw, which has less players above 1.8 in all brackets (2v2, 3v3 and SS), unbuffed?!

Outlaws being FFF-Tier has to be wanted at this point. No amount of blind incompetence could ever explain this.

But sure, Wind Walkers, having 6-10x the players at 1.8+ really needed a buff. Oh fuck off.

[jolly sierra]

dude

got a lock

bah a rog

which DIDN'T USED CLOAK OF SHADOWS EVERY FUCKING ROUND

JUST NEVER

SERIOUSLY WTF IS THIS

[hidden dome]

And they are not even buffing Arcane, which is performing just as bad, if not worse than outlaw.

[jolly sierra]

im checking his armory and dont understand how tf he has legend ranking and duelist in this season

i swear NEVER USED CLOAK ANYTIME

[hidden dome]

We waited almost 3 weeks for such a horrible patch. Man I'm so mad at Blizzard

[vocal surge]

Buff Uptime on Details go brrr

[jolly sierra]

at this step yellow guys

just wait for the rework

[hidden dome]

I don't want a rework. I enjoy the gameplay

[vocal surge]

rn I stopped paying my sub

[native glacier]

That’s definitely a sensitive subject, arcane may underperform in shuffle but is performing really well at the top of the ladder. Reference cubzy and chun

[vocal surge]

No reason to pay for a sub if they cant fix issues related to the class I play

[jolly sierra]

with the rework u can do the dmg u expect

cuz will fix the shit

[hidden dome]

I don't trust blizz to fix anything at this point

[jolly sierra]

u have in ur spec

ret had a mess after the nerfs

then got S god mode tier

after it

[hidden dome]

All I want is some survivability or damage buff for outlaw

just a small one

[jolly sierra]

i want survivability for assa

[native glacier]

The mm buff shows incredible levels of incompetence which we already knew was the case. Yeah no outlaw tuning is pathetic but hey if nobody plays it you could be the outlier and maybe grab a legend title.

[jolly sierra]

but i know i need to wait

cuz im 100% sure rogues complained about that as point

to get a rework

[hidden dome]

Outlaw in Solo Shuffle is the single most miserable experience I've ever had playing any spec in PvP

I think I will skip on that

Outlaw feels like he is 40 gs under every other DPS in Solo Shuffle

I only play 2s and 3s currently

In 3s I can atleast communicate setups with my mates and that usually works. In SS it is blind luck if my randoms even understand what a set up is.

If I were to hit 1.7 with outlaw in 3s right now, I would be the top 2 ranked outlaw on checkPvP Eu right now

[jolly sierra]

just for 1 point?

[hidden dome]

yeah

[jolly sierra]

damn happened the same to me some days ago

when i wanted the 1k6 piece

got a win and i got at 1699

btw are you busy?

[hidden dome]

Ye, leveling an alt right now

[jolly sierra]

kk np

[hidden dome]

But you gotta see things in a postive light

So far this season I've always been on page one on check PvP with my outlaw

To be fair, people with 1282 are still on page one

but still

[vocal surge]

In Solo Shuffle?

[hidden dome]

In 2s

[jolly sierra]

at least u are

lol

tbh i wanna skip this week

to have every fucker nerfed

[hidden dome]

I want to skip the next 10 or so weeks until they fix the lack of MMR inflation

I would skip this whole season if I had already gotten the 2.1 illusion

[jolly sierra]

imagine how was SL s2

inflated as hell

[hidden dome]

man if PvP is gonna be a horrible mess anyway

Like it has been for all of DF

then I rather take SL s2 inflation

In which I can get an elite set in 2 days

And be done with it in a week

Sorry for ranting so much. The balancing changes really felt like a big "fuck you" from blizzard tbh

[vocal surge]

watched an arcane mage ice block a freezing trap at full hp

when noone was dying

and a paladin divine shield a fear when he had no CDs or gos

[hidden dome]

Yep, thats the solo shuffle experience

[jolly sierra]

i saw a rogue not using cloak of shadows

or vanish second charge

[odd mortar]

solo shuffle is awful

😦

[jolly sierra]

yeah

wait a week for the tuning to the offenders

[odd mortar]

What do you mean

[jolly sierra]

enh, chickens and destro will be nerfed for next reset

personally i was tired of enh

fuckers

[odd mortar]

Yeah on the priest I’d drop every cd possible on them and you would literally evaporate

Pain supp, dome, shields lol

Enh is almost worse then ret was

[jolly sierra]

i burned every defensive by turns when i checked my hp melting

and was pointless

compared to rets

they were fucking unpredictble

[odd mortar]

I’ll see how it goes, will play assa if sub isn’t viable anymore

[proven kayak]

Bro I’m getting so tired playing vs casters

S1 was more fun ngl

[odd mortar]

I just went in a double lock, reston shaman, Hunter lobby I think? And it was awful

[jolly sierra]

agree

dunno what is worse

if precock

or busted specs

[proven kayak]

Warlock mage boomie war lobbies are the worst

[odd mortar]

I’m honestly really impressed by people who are getting 1600 in ss

[jolly sierra]

got a one with a mage and a chicken

and the fkn chicken

went 6-0

[odd mortar]

I am stuck 1500 but do better in 2s/3s

[jolly sierra]

i got 1k7 w ret in week 2

but dropped to 1600 xd

[queen geyser]

Lmao

[vocal surge]

Rogues strong together

[harsh steppe]

ahaha it's okay i appreciate you a lot, i am going to stick to sub though, i do appreciate you being willing to help me out though, a lot ❤️

despite more sub nerfs 😦

more sub nerfs prob

[minor cape]

ive seen something is coming thing in valdraken multiple times and a shit ton of peoplr stacked there

what does it do

[harsh steppe]

oh it's for the treasure goblin, the diablo crossover event, it can drop a 36 slot bag, a new hearthstone portal, a rare mount, some other stuff

[minor cape]

pretty cool

[hidden dome]

I just noticed they're buffing Arms and BM Hunters

There are literally 25 times more BMs or Arms in 2v2 over 1.8 than outlaws and yet they get PvP Buffs and Outlaw doesn't....
Man this hurts

And I haven't gotten my 4 set yet, but if it does 1.5% overall damage, like the 2 set does, then Outlaw will fall even further behind in the coming weeks

[topaz cedar]

imagine getting literally any tier in vault

couldnt be me

[hidden dome]

Well I think all my tier set pieces are from m+ and not arena

I always filled 6 vault slots (both PvP and M+) each week

But I agree, getting 2 out of the vault at this point is still very lucky

[queen geyser]

https://youtu.be/NNh5870rBkc

If you're interested, there's a PvP Outlaw thread in the PTR forums

Make some noise

Tired of paying for the sins of Shadowdust legendary

[hidden dome]

I usually try to avoid the forums, but I might have to this time

[queen geyser]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/the-sad-state-of-outlaw-in-pvp/1604287 Every click counts

[topaz cedar]

massive outlaw buff they need to make ||please add a glyph to have the old killing spree visual please||

[queen geyser]

Y e s

[topaz cedar]

I miss my extremely edgy but still somehow not cringe killing spree of days past

FWOOM FWOOM FWOOM FWOOM FWOOM

[hidden dome]

Man I had forgotten old KS

why do you open that wound

WHY

Also, dream tier: A glyph that replaces the PS/BtE gun with a gun in our bags

Just like the Demo lock glyph that replaces the pet weapon with a 2-handed weapon from their bags

[topaz cedar]

never forget what they took from us,,

[queen geyser]

Or any ranged weapon

Let me whip out the shortbow and nail someone like Robin Hood

[pastel burrow]

the ability to change your ranged anim to any of the rogue ones would be sick too imo

[queen geyser]

^

[pastel burrow]

using poisoned knife on sub/outlaw, or pistol shot on ass/sub

would kill for that shit

[queen geyser]

Could be an option in the barber shop

Kinda like Druid forms

[pastel burrow]

just need more ability visual customization yeah

if they ever remember glyphs exist

[queen geyser]

Not big on glyphs, they're kinda archaic and if you aren't aware they exist, then...

[pastel burrow]

yeah true half of them don't work

[queen geyser]

Barber shop class customization would lay the framework for more

But this is the PvP channel?

[pastel burrow]

can't use the OG thunderclap glyph on any warr but prot 😔

[hidden dome]

I have been thinking, if Killing Spree didn't stop you from doing your normal rotation, would that even be broken?

Yes, it would be a strong burst window, but I don't think it alone would make outlaw S-Tier

and in the end you can always just stun the rogue out of KS

[surreal barn]

Killing spree needs to act like shadow clone did back in the day that copies your attacks for 5 seconds or so

Make it pirate themed or some shit

[vocal surge]

Could make a PvP talent called Killing Zone that replaces Killing Spree

letting us move freely in the area and deal x3 damage to 2 targets from the 5 top damaging abilities we used while the ability is up

that requires enemy players to move out if they want to live

watching paladins

bubble early for no reason

or hard LoS

and wonder why class is bad

[queen geyser]

We're going higher

[nova viper]

im stylist

[sharp sierra]

Very

Stylish

[hidden dome]

Question, is WoW dropping/ignoring inputs for anyone else? Never had this problem before DF

[queen geyser]

Stupid fucking Sub Rogue didn't know what hit 'em

Sprints over to my node, unstealths to cap, and he gets trounced

Read like a BOOK

[sharp sierra]

well I mean getting shot with a gun should do that to you

[queen geyser]

EXACTLY

[marble oasis]

but that's less damage than 1 single secret tech.

[queen geyser]

Yep

[sharp sierra]

I’m going to get steamrolled here because it seems like everyone else is MLG pro at rogue

[queen geyser]

And for the record I got him

[sharp sierra]

I’ve been maining mine for maybe 3 years now and I’m still bad at paying attention for the rotation

So much upkeep

[hidden dome]

man I love it when I use Spirit of Redemption on my Holy Priest and get to free cast for 10.5 seconds

and still can't outheal a single Arms Warri in Burst

at 60% damp in 2s

Healing in PvP really is only spamming cooldowns

Mana management and shit doesn't matter at all anymore

[queen geyser]

mY FLAG NOW LOL

[queen geyser]

I would say your problem is playing hpriest but we're outlaws so

Null point

[vocal surge]

I feel bad for this rogue lol

Knocked him out of stealth w. Final Reck

and he lost nelf vanish

then I sanct my healer on their pre-go

twice in a row

[queen geyser]

God I wish I recorded that game

[hidden dome]

My mains are Outlaw and Holy

I think they made DF PvP to personally spite me

At this point pure incompetence doesn't explain this balancing anymore. It has to be spite