Nobody plays them
#pvp
grand haven
if you thought solo q times were long, you are in for a surprise in a couple of days
minor cape
dude you should see what is a small community
copper maple
Because blizzard forgets it exists
vocal surge
People play within their own friend groups or on their server's local pvp guild
minor cape
in swtor you literally had to call people on discord to queue ranked or it just wouldnt pop
thats why i moved to wow lol
nova viper
if you thought solo q times were long, you are in for a surprise in a couple of ...
Whats happend?
vocal surge
?
grand haven
d4 launch tomorrow
vocal surge
right
nova viper
xD
vocal surge
lol
copper maple
I played a game with small community where people would organise competitive leagues themselves and fundraise lan events
nova viper
I wanna play
topaz cedar
Nobody plays them
? no
copper maple
Sure it has its charm
topaz cedar
fighting game community isnt even small
nova viper
Buts is a lot of money in my country for D4 better edition
minor cape
shoras when a game isnt as big as league of legends or csgo: DED
copper maple
Depends on your goals
I have 5.7k hrs in tf2 and I'm fine with like 100 players online to fill a couple community servers in my region
vocal surge
I genuinely think an audience outside looking at WoW PvP believe its essentially Rock Papper Scissors with how you trade CDs and CCs
nova viper
shoras when a game isnt as big as league of legends or csgo: DED
CSGO is not good example. Community there creat his rank system (faecit) bsc normal ranks games is crap xD
copper maple
CS is good because it rarely needs balancing
minor cape
cs is balanced af thats a cool thing
copper maple
In wow devs would randomly buff something for pve and forget it will affect pvp
nova viper
I genuinely think an audience outside looking at WoW PvP believe its essentially...
I guess is too difficult to watch. U have 1000 spells on screen, u dont know what happend without addons
copper maple
If you're playing on an average level you don't care much about meta
copper maple
Watching arena tournaments is one of the worst experiences of watching an esport imo
Even if you play and have an idea what's going on
copper maple
And down goes venruki
topaz cedar
meta being redefined for a decade old game
minor cape
yeah honestly wow pvp in unwatchable
copper maple
Rewatch that clip and try to understand what the hell even happened
copper maple
i doubt krieg meta was fun for anyone though
Meta isn't just one gun being good
topaz cedar
I just think modern wow pvp has kinda been apeified, whereas wotlk is fun to watch because positioning and goes are more important
nova viper
I guess wow should be simple?
topaz cedar
Meta isn't just one gun being good
? The krieg meta completely changed T side play
for like a year
minor cape
the simplier it gets
topaz cedar
both as a player and viewer it became so much more boring
minor cape
the more rock paper scissors it is
topaz cedar
are u trying to nitpick over "krieg meta"? its what it was called lol
it became the only rifle people really bought on t side
copper maple
People only bought 2 rifles and one sniper for decades
And one pistol
I'm not saying krieg meta is good
topaz cedar
But AK was fun to play and watch
and took aimskill lol
thats WHY krieg meta was so boring to play
it incentivised holding angles and in general just made aiming easier
also idk what u mean by one pistol
pistol meta changed constantly and theres usually at least 2-3 good ones
copper maple
Deagle
copper maple
Before csgo pretty sure nobody bought anything else
Awp, ak, m4 and deagle
And nobody cared
copper maple
Either way
Meta doesn't matter for an average Joe playing matchmaking. You can pick the best rifle and still miss your shots and die to a pistol.
Everyone talks how AWP dominates pro CS, but if I pick it up and miss one shot - I'm dead.
topaz cedar
ok w/e lol ur argument legit doesn't make sense, ppl in every rank above silver were dropping ak for krieg
awp is also easiest gun in low ranks
copper maple
My point is skill > meta gun
Until higher levels where everyone has roughly the same skill
topaz cedar
In lower levels everyone still has roughly the same skill lol
thats what the rank system does
copper maple
In a perfect world
topaz cedar
awp is honestly easiest way for anyone to climb out of silver / gold because people wont use util or trade properly so you can just hold an angle and people will push into it 1 by 1
copper maple
Yeah if you're good with it
topaz cedar
and doesnt take aimskill since you're just hitting low fov bodyshots, just an aside in case anyone wanted to know xd
nah
its easier to hit shots with awp than ak
much bigger target and you can hold very long angles with it
copper maple
One bullet vs many bullets
topaz cedar
rifling is much harder, awp only becomes difficult at high ranks when you have to play around util and people trading
copper maple
It goes either way depending on how good either player is
topaz cedar
No, awp is literally just easier to get kills with
copper maple
Idk why you think all matches are somehow perfectly balanced
You can miss one shot easily and die
topaz cedar
same applies to rifles, but its much easier for a low skill player to hit the body with low fov with awp, than it is for them to either 1 tap or spray properly at a distance
if you've been struggling with awping in low ranks you're probably just standing in spots that are too exposed, play a further back angle where you can just watch 1 angle, like truck to A main on cache etc
copper maple
I enjoy rifling more because you're more mobile with it
copper maple
topaz cedar
I'd probably talk about WoW more if i got more than 1 solo shuffle q pop per season
:^(
topaz cedar
The only healer i enjoyed doesnt exist anymore rip
throwback to legion / bfa disc,,
not that its bad, just that idk its completely diff now
obv its S tier rn
copper maple
Haven't played legion disc, but it was quite fun since bfa to me
Except when people run out of barrier for no reason
topaz cedar
nowadays just seems like a healbot with big mana and a wonky number of defensive cds which is like
wild compared to how it started life after the rework
literal oom machine where you either dps enemy team down or die
copper maple
I like that damage reduction defensives give some breathing room
I tried holy, and their main defensive increases healing done instead
minor cape
dude disc is like the least healbot healer ever right now
copper maple
Forcing you to spam heals like a maniac
topaz cedar
wdym, shields are so big and you can spam heals without going oom
Legion if you shadow mend 4 times you're oom
copper maple
When as disc you pop PS and chill
minor cape
still disc heals less than any other healer
and it's thing is that it blocks damage instead and also deals burst
damage
copper maple
I like strong shields, less chances to get kicked
topaz cedar
Yes but the shields weren't like this before, outside of rapture
minor cape
the actual healbot healer is resto druid
copper maple
They were just for atonement
topaz cedar
in previous xpacs your main way of staying afloat was via atonement
copper maple
I struggle healing through all the shit in soloq with atonement mainly
topaz cedar
atonement is piddly now
copper maple
I mean damage you have to heal
minor cape
nah
copper maple
It's quite bursty since SL
minor cape
right now disc is just a damage dealer who happens to heal lol
topaz cedar
adskydroch did you play in legion
minor cape
no
topaz cedar
or early bfa
minor cape
i only started playing wow in s1 df so cant compare
but still disc is the least healbot healer right now
topaz cedar
yeah im talking about how disc used to be
you used to be able to genuinely outheal sustained damage with just atonement in many cases
minor cape
so he was a ranged fistweawer?
topaz cedar
and burst with dark + the healing it gave was huge for goes
copper maple
I don't wanna be reliant on atonement in current meta
So I'm cool with it
I'm not as good of a healer
topaz cedar
thinking about legion makes me understand where the ancient boomers come from when they're like "back in my day"
topaz cedar
steelseries rival 300 and some random corsair keyboard idek the model lol
cherry red switches tho
sharp sierra
whats our first conq piece?
topaz cedar
crafted boots if u count that
minor cape
What mouse nad kboard u use
random office keyboard that i bought like 7 years ago and a logitech mouse with 2 buttons on the side
op combo
copper maple
random office keyboard that i bought like 7 years ago and a logitech mouse with ...
Chad 5 button mouse user
copper maple
There was a time when I was playing wow on an office pc with a 3 button mouse
Had do add some extra binds instead of side buttons, but I was just leveling in classic there 😄
After that 2 side buttons are a godsend
topaz cedar
by the time i decided that i might wanna try an mmo mouse everyone i knew who had one told me that the modern ones are just bad
sadge
apparently they just dont make 'em like they used to,,
razer ones at least
minor cape
do you need to have small fingers?
cause they seem impossible to operate looking at photos
honestly
topaz cedar
i mean its just the thumb right?
guy i was friends with had gigachad hands but had 99% of his skills on his mouse
copper maple
Sounds like fatfinger paradise
topaz cedar
probably, dude was cursed
queen geyser
Lads, I've perfected the bullshittium combo
Pros:
-Big iron make monkey brain neuron activate
Cons:
-Dagger In The Dark ("Hello, I am announcing my presence for a stacking damage buff, please do not push an aoe that will immediately fuck up my combo")
-6 Combo Points (as opposed to 7, DPS loss in sustain. Why? Because you need Prey on the Weak)
-Cold Blood (As Outlaw? What the Hell is even that?)
-Actually a really slow combo (Please don't stun me or pop a defensive before the clock hits twelve, thanks)
surreal barn
I charged my buddy a bottle of blantons
tawny kestrel
what's a decent price for a 1600 carry
your dignity
harsh steppe
...
harsh steppe
i can't get past 1k
queen geyser
Lads, I've perfected the bullshittium combo
A new record
wintry dew
i can't get past 1k
That does not answer my question honestly
harsh steppe
so i can get the 2nd piece to help me climb higher
wintry dew
You won't learn to drive just because you have a mustang
lunar granite
the majority of 2400+ sub rogues play without 2set with the old talents
harsh steppe
well it'd definitely help me a lot for sure
wintry dew
Getting the second piece will only make you deal a lil bit more dmg
But i believe it won't be enough to take you out of the 1k
harsh steppe
okay... so... does anybody know a decent price for a 1.6k carry? or no
wintry dew
With your current skills, you probably can't buy a boost
Unless someone plays for you
And that's tos
I'm betting you're focusing on the wrong aspects of pvp and you aren't learning
harsh steppe
i've been learning for over half a year now & still hardstuck at 1k
if anybody knows a price lmk please, gonna just bite the bullet but don't wanna get too ripped off, idc at this point anymore
pale storm
which region are you hyper? if NA, I will play some 2s with you if you want
wintry dew
In like some weeks
harsh steppe
NA
wintry dew
Cool, lmk the results of that session!
untold remnant
Everytime a lobby has a disarm. Sub just doesn't do shit
minor cape
clearly untrue
wary spire
Everytime a lobby has a disarm. Sub just doesn't do shit
You can cloak away the disarm with the new cloak talent, so there's that.
minor cape
you can just control the guy with disarm so in case he wants to disarm you he has to trinket
which is a win win
🤔
copper maple
It's not like other specs do damage when disarmed right?
minor cape
LIKE MAGE
wary spire
Im sure that someone somewhere trinkenked disarm on mage out of sheer confusion.
copper maple
Can work if you know you can secure a kill by doing that
queen geyser
Im sure that someone somewhere trinkenked disarm on mage out of sheer confusion.
You're talking to the man
spring bough
Lads, I've perfected the bullshittium combo
It’s like tech but for outlaws 😂
tawny kestrel
okay @harsh steppe what do u struggle with, cus if u are playing sub and u are stuck below 1k then you must be doing some things fundamentally wrong
also buying a 1600 boost just to get a tier piece is questionable considering catalyst soon
hidden dome
Pros:
-Big iron make monkey brain neuron activate
Cons:
-Dagger In The Dark ("H...
I'm not sure if all that setup is worth it for a 200k hit
and that is assuming you high roll the rest of the pistol shot procs
wintry dew
okay <@455884737287028736> what do u struggle with, cus if u are playing sub and...
Also keeping in mind he did 1000+ SS rounds S1 in the 1k bracket. So definitely something is plainly wrong
hidden dome
Also I think pray on the weak is still nerfed in PvP and only provides 5% extra damage and not the 10%. That is atleast how it worked in SL. Maybe they undid that nerf
maybe if Cold blood made all pistol shots crit 100% and if it was pre nerf Fan the Hammer, it could've been a fun one shot
queen geyser
I'm not sure if all that setup is worth it for a 200k hit
You lose basically nothing for it though
It's sure as shit not a one shot
hidden dome
can you post your talent tree?
queen geyser
But damn if it isn't a lot of damage from a spec you normally wouldn't expect it from
I lost 7 CP, that's about it
And a PvP slot
(Honestly the big thing is losing the PvP slot to Dagger In The Dark)
((Really fun though))
hidden dome
You lost extra heal reduction and shorter blind duration
queen geyser
I don't run improved wound unless I'm with someone who doesn't have a decent mortal strike
queen geyser
I like both the Nimble Fingers and Wound Poison path, but Nimble Fingers comes in clutch far more often
At least in my case
I haven't been able to kill people from full with the combo
But I have forced a defensive a good 80% of the time
hidden dome
Well depends on if you play Elusiveness. If you play cheat death than Nimble Fingers is kinda pointless
queen geyser
Because what do people do when an Outlaw opens on them? They don't care
queen geyser
Well depends on if you play Elusiveness. If you play cheat death than Nimble Fin...
Big true
"Oh nevermind it's just an Outla- oh god where did half my health go"
hidden dome
And, atleast in 2s, I almost always force CDs in my opener
queen geyser
And then they hit a button
hidden dome
Outlaw out of stealth burst is not that bad
queen geyser
True, but with the build I was running, I didn't exactly lose much by making it better
hidden dome
Not sure if the haste cut off works if you skip Alacrity
queen geyser
And it's really been most effective less as an opener and more of an execution
hidden dome
I would have to test that
queen geyser
Like
You've been brawling with someone for a while
You vanish, maybe cloak to get dots off
Do whatever to get the sap for blackjack, and to safely get dagger stacks
And then you hit them with the wombo combo, and if they don't have anything left they just die
Certainly a lot more work to do it than Sub though
But it's fun
hidden dome
But doesn't vanishing to set up kinda ruin your overall pressure
queen geyser
And there is no better feeling than shitting on someone with a spec that most consider to be d-tier
hidden dome
Against matchups where I'm save I use vanish almost on CD for the extra burst, since we get it back very fast
queen geyser
But doesn't vanishing to set up kinda ruin your overall pressure
Kinda, it's a gamble
You either kill them with the wombo combo or have to ramp back up
hidden dome
I mean, it could work, since it is a stand alone combo in addition to Dance and AR
queen geyser
Sap > Wait for Dagger stacks > Ambush, Ambush, CS > GS > BTE > Dance(macroed to cast CB too) > Pistol Shot (and hope to god one of your ambushes hit twice) > Dispatch
Or SnD
Probably SnD
hidden dome
Oh you use it together with dance
hidden dome
That makes it somewhat worse, since I feel I already often have high pressure with dance alone
Dance is like the only window where outlaw really pumps damage anyway
queen geyser
And I'm using it to pump this big iron hit
hidden dome
Yeah and I like the spirit of going for big hits
but I feel using dance after Dispatch at the end would get you better kill odds
queen geyser
Maybe. Still experimenting
Effective or not though, really fun, and nobody on the other end expects it
acoustic junco
If you ar in stealth you could
Cheapshot , ghost ambush bte and pistol if you get the proc.
Bonus points if you get it applied to a second target that you kidney dance on
last jasper
Do we want another crafted gear apart from ring/shoulder + boots?
hidden dome
I have been thinking, if caster get free immunity and haste for fail kicks, then meeles should get cc and slow immunity and haste for LoSing a cast
Or something else that equally punishes them, just as precog punishes meeles
Maybe for correctly kicking in the last half second
jolly sierra
i've read the chat since i woke up
and damn, how is blake going? is he from pikaboo guild right?
should be ok helping hyper
jolly sierra
Do we want another crafted gear apart from ring/shoulder + boots?
a necklace
last jasper
a necklace
Lariat? Isn’t it nerfed? Can we stack mastery embellishment,lol? Was looking for ring
jolly sierra
Lariat? Isn’t it nerfed? Can we stack mastery embellishment,lol? Was looking for...
no, the regular one
u have 3 necklaces rn, a shield one, lariat and other one without anything but stats
pvp neck has too much versa compared to mastery, so think is a choice to craft later
wintry dew
Blake is from the move? That's awesome
last jasper
pvp neck has too much versa compared to mastery, so think is a choice to craft l...
Yea, I know. Got it from the vault 🥲🥲
jolly sierra
OOF
harsh steppe
no we haven't played together yet
harsh steppe
no
wintry dew
Big L yes because you should have learned the basics in half of the time
Everyone has their learning curve for sure
That's why we told you a couple of days ago to try out other classes
harsh steppe
i can't tell if you guys are trying to diss me or help me lol
wintry dew
We can't really help you man, you already had people looking into your gameplay, teaching you the basics, combos, addons, weakauras (?)
harsh steppe
ok
wintry dew
It's not that we want to diss a fellow rogue
But sometimes we gotta think if this is the right class for us or not
unborn portal
I think anyone can improve; I played with hyper on my priest
I pointed out some things
idk if fixed
jolly sierra
:l
wintry dew
It doesn't seem it did mister mack
And for the love of god, I'm not hating on anyone
Don't think I'm just shittin on people
Hyper reached 1.8 as a hunter at some point, which means he's capable
surreal barn
43 minute queue just for a 3/3 feels bad man
wintry dew
Probably it's the class
pale storm
hyper we will Q it up sometime, don't worry
waxen meteor
43 minute queue just for a 3/3 feels bad man
yeah samo here 39 mins
i feel we will run into each other lol
waxen meteor
anyway i am doing sth out of wow, so it doesn't matter
jolly sierra
hyper we will Q it up sometime, don't worry
keep us updated sometimes pls
waxen meteor
it's kinda funny i can fully concentrate on work on something after starting a queue
surreal barn
I’ve been doing the only thing more boring than waiting in queue. Shadowlands story
waxen meteor
only checks back in when it pops
jolly sierra
we really wanna know
jolly sierra
always
surreal barn
Omg it pop for me just now too
waxen meteor
and there is a rogue
surreal barn
LOL
waxen meteor
I am the hunter
wintry dew
LOL
wary spire
Outlaw went 6-0, right?
jolly sierra
(...)
unborn portal
Outlaw went 6-0, right?
narrator: the rogue did not go 6-0
wanton breach
train.
the.
yellow.
🚆
unborn portal
train.
the.
yellow.
🚆
jolly sierra
fresh meat for the ret
waxen meteor
well more because warrior was too bad
war went 1-5
and he afked his game with me at r1
in the middle...
i think he got disconnected
jolly sierra
bruh
waxen meteor
but after he is back, he is no any better
waxen meteor
priest teammate was trying to call for target
jolly sierra
so it shift rounds fast
waxen meteor
i was like man, that healer isn't any aggressive talking
no, that's round 5
round 1 he disconnected
jolly sierra
kek
jolly sierra
when i got the russian healer which called me idiot monk
i told him to shut up and use PS better
then the guy let our partner die and then i called him useless
i shit talk back a little if the guy is wrong af
sometimes
:l
fathom dew
Is it just me or is MW tough to kill in 2s
fathom dew
I’m seeing a decent amount of MW and fury warrior and it’s tough
waxen meteor
that just resolve your go out of nowhere
last jasper
Is it just me or is MW tough to kill in 2s
Well, they op for a reason
jolly sierra
its easier as assa cuz u still do dmg after they teleports
but im sure is harder as sub
fathom dew
Felt like I had an easier time as assa for sure
jolly sierra
cuz he teleports and its gone
waxen meteor
Imagine you and mage, ready, set , go -> kidney, then where is that fucking monk
jolly sierra
yeah lol
steep loom
Is it just me or is MW tough to kill in 2s
I love goin up against MW as outlaw. Fistweaver or caster
waxen meteor
the thing is at 2s, it's always also free casts of healing after teleport
jolly sierra
its op af when they teleports inside stuns
fathom dew
Yea feels bad for sure. Then you step their teleport and they teleport back gotta love it
jolly sierra
the big trolling
fathom dew
2s with healer has been tougher than I expected. Everyone knows how to counter sub dmg
jolly sierra
tbh sub felts easier at 1k8 mmr for me compared to former seasons
dunno why
but they died very fast and are way more controllable
maybe is the fkn cloak which allows me to survive and cc in duel
fathom dew
Still getting used to using duel effectively
jolly sierra
the hardest for me overall were enh
the fuckers killed you randomly
almost killed their healer and the enh forced all my defensives by turns then i died by a 120k elemental blast
the guy was a glad from former season
REEEEEEEEEE
deflation is real
fathom dew
What’s crazy is the amount of ppl complaining about sub rogue but don’t say anything about boomie 
jolly sierra
or destro
fathom dew
Or enh
jolly sierra
fuck all of them
last jasper
almost killed their healer and the enh forced all my defensives by turns then i ...
When these fuckers pop all their shit u just run/los 😂
It’s insane tbh
fathom dew
If they ascending you best be descending
jolly sierra
or the BL
surreal barn
Every time a boomie farts you have to run and hide
4/2 into double boomie demo what a shitshow that was
waxen meteor
I think bigger issue is boomie does easily 35k dps in bear form all day
azure adder
what could work agains warlock healer if im playging disc rogue in 2vs 2?
feels like i cannot even breakt locks shield during go
glad zinc
which build do you guys think is better, gloomblade build or
is it just preference? i mostly play solo shuffle and some random battlegrounds
also i have 2 set
surreal barn
If I am slammin against plate I use the gloom
proper heath
minor cape
what could work agains warlock healer if im playging disc rogue in 2vs 2?
just control healer off dr till warlock dies just like in every other disc rogue game
lock isnt even the tankiest target
also you have a disc - use his damage too!
azure adder
we have hard time sneaking the disc near their healer whitout taking too much pve damage and also many times warlocks have quite good ways to interrupt our go when i go to kidney the healer
as they can just teleport or axe toss or mortal coil or even just use their shield
as it is usually enough to survive alone
jolly sierra
200k chaos bolts easy and 343k full moons from moonkin
burst goes brrrr
in bfa we lined destros a lot
and went between goes
dunno if can apply now
shut solstice
vocal surge
halcyon timber
burst goes brrrr
Yeah man , can’t wait for blades to go away though . Def really would like to see backstab being backstab w no precursors to charge it up. Choices to mimic cata / mop instead of dance donkey
vocal surge
how goes the docs btw?
jolly sierra
Yeah man , can’t wait for blades to go away though . Def really would like to se...
wod sub tho
doing backflips alongside the dmg
halcyon timber
wod sub tho
Bring it back seriously , just make black powder apply SV or whatever to make it work for pve nerds and stop w the gimmicks.
halcyon timber
The silver lining is that they are keeping quiet and taking time on purpose. (Mature look at it)
Prob having a lot of discussion and tuning on gm server or something. Who knows man
wary spire
"- Hey Bob?
- Yeah?
- Have you've been working on the yellow one? Forgot the name.
- Ah shit! Don't worry, I'll make some shit up on time, don't you worry!"
jolly sierra
"what about pickpocketing players?"
-"sounds amazing keep going with good ideas"
is this tier good?
lol
quaint cedar
"The yellow one? You mean feral druid's energy bar? Sure! Buff feral damage by 10%!"
copper maple
They're probably confused why the Rouge class is coloured yellow
minor cape
"- Hey Bob?
- Yeah?
- Have you've been working on the yellow one? Forgot the nam...
"dude what if we like okay look what if dispatch like did damage ughh forget it, just remove pistol shot"
minor cape
"if they ask say its because we felt like ughhhhh like outlaw wasnt dealing damage like we want it to!"
"but outlaw doesnt deal damage?"
"who cares just write this in patch notes in cursive and refuse to elaborate"
minor cape
backstab +3% best onr
for real tho the one with backstab doesnt even need buffs
obv
jolly sierra
minor cape
-Dance Macabre damage bonus decreased by 60%
-Secret Technique removed
-Nighstalker bug returned
-Shadowstrike damage decreased by 40%
-Eviscerate damage increased by 2%
-Backstub +3%
We feel like rogue is not dealing damage like we would like it to
grave pier
Can someone explain to me
why
this happens
it literally doesn't let me use an ability
jolly sierra
nameplate cooldowns
grave pier
like a druid could be behind me, and could be casting cyclone on me
but i have no clue
scarlet shell
hell you are even on tutorial island.
jolly sierra
ability team tracker
grave pier
Nameplate very good, using flyplatebuffs rn though
grave pier
but what about when someone is casting something on me?
like can i make it so gladius shows
when a druid is casting cyclone
and on who
grave pier
grave pier
thanks for tht one
but thing is
with other streamers they make it so they can clearly see
the cast bars
etc
and who they're casting
jolly sierra
ah dunno beyond that
but omnibar will fuck u
rather than help
tbh
locked buttons are disgusting
grave pier
yeah it's real bad
unborn portal
but omnibar will fuck u
what
jolly sierra
<:hmm:750776609425981623> what
its a rog working against u
with lua errors
doing a key stunlock
unborn portal
wat
spring bough
picked up that cold blood on my outlaw spec, took it off my dispatch macro and added it to my pistol shot. lets see how this goes lol
stoic spruce
have yall tried Mastery with outlaw? It feels pretty good imo
wary spire
im just crafting rings w sparks for now
Have you crafted the "comfortable" one or just a regular one?
jolly sierra
Have you crafted the "comfortable" one or just a regular one?
the one with the teleport
stoic spruce
:)
jolly sierra
the one which does the ringy thingy
wary spire
Uh huh
jolly sierra
wat
waxen meteor
SP/Disc with me.
Vs
Boomie/Ret/Monk
Got a quick burst on Ret, Ret HP went to 10%, bubbled.
With double priests on my team, and zero cced, and zero HP pressure, no one dispelled............ SP still casting dmg spells on bubbled Ret....
waxen meteor
the moment of 'wow, for real?'
waxen meteor
i didn't even know what to do during bubble tbh
i thought it's gonna be dispelled and finished
waxen meteor
and i ended up eating a lot of dmg
halcyon timber
like a druid could be behind me, and could be casting cyclone on me
I use my eyes, joking aside yeah i just trust myself and i only use elvui honestly, WA for my abilities, and TMW for a dr tracker since diminish author stopped making addons
halcyon timber
SP/Disc with me.
Vs
Boomie/Ret/Monk
Got a quick burst on Ret, Ret HP went to 10...
Freakin pvers bro
scarlet shell
quick question, should i ditch rupture or give it less priority.
idk why i keep pressing it like its gonna do something.
halcyon timber
quick question, should i ditch rupture or give it less priority.
Adds up over time, it’s optional man . Def nice eating shields, preventing resealths, delaying casts, wearing down plates and warlocks
“Depends “ is a rogue term we use fighting anything
scarlet shell
i have yet to face a rogue in SS for some reason.
but yes i can see the eating shields part
halcyon timber
Because why be a rogue when you’re gonna get nerfed
And if a rogue is fun / doing well no one else is - forum heroes of other classes
I usually toss a rupture on succubus especially since life pact or whatever where they split life is back or to delay their booty shake charm a little . Cuts time off it too.
lyric onyx
quick question, should i ditch rupture or give it less priority.
i only use rupture when im not in shadow dance
halcyon timber
Just depends /shrug
scarlet shell
nice explanation, thank you.
topaz cedar
quick question, should i ditch rupture or give it less priority.
rupture is insane damage for the global
swift adder
it's not the addon
it's just a bug with blizz ui
something randomly tags your ui as "tainted" like you're using a cheat or w/e and you have to do /reload
spring bough
pika is so insightful. watching him one shot people as sub and he just hits you with "just gotta start spamming damage" lol
lucid citrus
lol
jolly sierra
kek
scarlet shell
oh my god this mage would not stop spamming polys on me
accept your fate, you have no health
lucid citrus
guys what do you guys think about premed? is it needed?
quaint cedar
have yall tried Mastery with outlaw? It feels pretty good imo
Yeah mastery outlaw is fun, damage feels pretty good
stoic spruce
Yeah mastery outlaw is fun, damage feels pretty good
how much mast you rocking?
scarlet shell
yay betrayal time
jolly sierra
u are joining the good side
scarlet shell
and ofc my team is screwing up
i love matchmaking.
i have yet to win a battlegrounds today
narrow tangle
well if you allow a rogue to cc chain and roam freely in arena, it would be issue
but i believe same thing goes for most classes, if you allow a fire mage, desto warlock etc. to freely do dps you'll probably have hard time staying alive
or not cc'ing enha sham on his drugs
waxen meteor
Kidney gouge blind cs and duel lol
Yeah the combo works
But rogue does little dmg as well to others
Especially if healer doesn’t stay very close to kill target
jolly sierra
way too situational compared to the ol reilable sap sap sap blind
but im sad they killed it
and got nothing w it
ppl is still crying
lol
narrow tangle
if they nerf cc's a bit more ill cry
jolly sierra
its funny
cuz they now are crying
because they are unhealable
delicious RSK
it bypassed all an absorb lol
jolly bear
I just got chain cc'd for at least 15 seconds
deadass couldnt move and 70% of it was rooted
im beyond pissed
jolly sierra
who cced u
jolly sierra
fuck WA trolled me w lua
jolly bear
damn thats unlucky
unreal pelican
heya fellow unsavoury individuals, Im thinking of getting a sub rogue geared for pvp and was wondering how hard it is to get to a passable level in pvp?
if ghat makes sense
jolly bear
I dont think its hard
unreal pelican
also GOD there are alot of buttons
unreal pelican
Is there abilities i can macro together to save space?
tribal badger
i check murlok io to see what top outlaws r trying out for soloq cause i wanted to queue a bit tonight
potent pivot
Is there abilities i can macro together to save space?
you can macro all your dmg CDs but you should also keep binds for them separately too
potent pivot
so it won't really save space
unreal pelican
hmm ok
jolly sierra
the 1 over 2k is raz tho
unreal pelican
need more fingers to press all these dam keys
jolly sierra
or trimaz
jolly bear
need more fingers to press all these dam keys
just grow more
jolly sierra
funny coming from a ret
jolly sierra
yes
topaz cedar
also GOD there are alot of buttons
honestly i feel like sub has a pretty comfy number of binds
surv gave me an unironic headache when i was having to find ways to try and make even more semi-comfortable binds in 10.1
even with focus kidney and focus step kidney binds etc
jaunty spear
guys
i want to pvp again
played only pve this season and crafted gear already
should i make a 2nd rogue for pvp only because of shadowflame marks ?
unreal pelican
honestly i feel like sub has a pretty comfy number of binds
idk compared to most classes I play which have like 1-2 offensive buffs rogue has like 5?
shadow blades shadow dance symbols of death cold blooded
Ok maybe 4
but those are the ones that dont even do damage
topaz cedar
ya im just traumatised by needing to have 50 different binds for surv
rogue has a fair few things to press for damage ig but in total theres not many binds, just gotta make sure your bindings are comfy
my dance is S and my blades is s-S
jolly sierra
my warr got the worst rounds today
a 6-0 MM and a 5-1 MM
in a row
dunno how tf they doesn't get trained
unreal pelican
ok i suppose I dont know the horrors of surv
we love hunters
every game
I have yet to play a shuffle without warrior or hunter
jolly sierra
i beg for one which doesn't do a 6-0
quaint cedar
how much mast you rocking?
45% mastery in PvP combat currently
stoic spruce
Full sent it pretty much huh? Lol
jolly sierra
thinking in switching to fury
arms tier is useless
and maybe will be behind after ppl gets 4set
quaint cedar
Full sent it pretty much huh? Lol
lol yeah. I have mastery on almost every piece right now. It feels stronger than crit after the nerfs. Also, makes us not get screwed over as much by anti-crit mechanics like curse of weakness. My mastery procs hit for around 15k non crit and 20k crit
stoic spruce
No tier?
quaint cedar
nope it's total booty for outlaw
stoic spruce
I knew it.
jolly sierra
stoic spruce
Makes it easier to gear lol
quaint cedar
and breaks gouge
so worthless
lol true
I do have the tier chest piece, because it has mastery on it and is a conquest piece, but no set
I still have my old 2 set though from season 1
not sure when I should get rid of it
like if the stats are worth losing the ambush damage
quaint cedar
lol
there was a time during early 10.1 ptr where the 2 set was doing insane damage
but it was apparently bugged and so got "fixed"
and now it's useless
guess outlaw can't have nice things lol
queen geyser
stoic spruce
Imagine having all this cool shit but the spec does poo damage
That's outlaw lol
Actually I don't have full conq gear and my dam already ain't half bad
jolly sierra
ANOTHER 6-0 W RET REEEEEEEEEEEEE
dude
what is going on
just people which doesn't lose anything
pale storm
Had a nice little 6-0 on rouge today
stoic spruce
pics or it didnt happen
jolly sierra
look
warrior
6-0 from a MM
5-1 from another MM
6-0 from a fury
ret
6-0 from an enh
im swear im REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEING hard
pale storm
lucid citrus
is crafted legs bis for sub or we using the tier legs?
lucid citrus
its so stupid going 3-3 and getting 2 rating lol
narrow tangle
is crafted legs bis for sub or we using the tier legs?
shoulder ring or helmet
tier legs good
Mastery good
narrow tangle
how do you move
jolly bear
with my mouse
waxen meteor
with my mouse
jolly bear
I can move forward, strafe, strafe diagonal
my brain is just wired so that my keyboard and my bars have to be mirrors of each other
plus I'm just not a fan of wasd moving in general
waxen meteor
i am not a fan of that as well
when i do combat games, like king of fighers, street fighters etc. i don't do wasd
i think wow default just tricked me
then i feel hard to readapt
jolly sierra
nice bajheera teached me to go fury
i have 2set and def won't run it as arms
im wasting potential tho lol
are u talking about movement?
im going with both mouse and arrow keys
lol
jolly bear
you use arrow keys? lmao
jolly sierra
depends of moment
i alter between both
usually i use arrows to strife
mostly mouse
jolly bear
so you move your hand from mouse to kb to mouse?
jolly sierra
yes
jolly bear
ur a monster
jolly sierra
wanna see how my hand is?
jolly bear
kinda
jolly sierra
sec
compare proportions between mouse and keys
my hands is kind of recurring joke here
jolly bear
oh that makes a lot more sense now I didnt know it was a laptop also wtf is that a blanket
jolly sierra
a guy got banned by complaining not being genetically gifted
cuz i had longer fingers
lol
jolly sierra
oh that makes a lot more sense now I didnt know it was a laptop also wtf is that...
i play in front of my window
its the curtain
jolly bear
I mean I can think of plenty of things besides wow long fingers could be good for, that is not a valid reason to be mad lmao
jolly sierra
the guy whined a lot cuz he was unable to play good
jolly bear
you let the curtain sit on your desk? ur a monster
jolly sierra
i showed he my hands
started talking bs about being genetically unable
then the guy went rampage
jolly bear
he sounds like an incel
jolly bear
he's a freak
jolly sierra
you let the curtain sit on your desk? ur a monster
i can see the other hill from here
move the curtains and see the moon in nights too lol
jolly bear
I use blackout curtains and face away from them at the opposite wall
jolly sierra
too much sun?
jolly bear
I like being able to control how much light gets in here
sometimes I sleep most of the morning and I cant sleep when there's light
and it causes glare on my monitors
jolly bear
absolutely not, I get up when I feel like it
wow HDR really messes up my screenshots
minor cape
i dont know if panda is actually female or just plays a female panda character and at this point im too afraid to ask
jolly bear
obviously is a male panda irl dude
pastel burrow
jolly bear
well, it is pride month
minor cape
i always thought panda is a dude but sometimes a thought crossed my mind
"NO WAY A DUDE PLAYS A FEMALE PANDA"
so it was time to ask the big questiob
waxen meteor
Apparently a nice looking lady
jolly bear
sir, there is no such thing as gender
the words you guys are typing are just starred out for me
minor cape
um achually 🤓
jolly bear
I just see a nice looking ****
jolly sierra
"NO WAY A DUDE PLAYS A FEMALE PANDA"
wanna me being honest?
jolly bear
akshually
jolly sierra
i have very good view from behind
minor cape
wanna me being honest?
you are actually a furry?
jolly sierra
i'll be hunted
jolly bear
my alt is a fury warr
jolly sierra
hits very hard
can confirm
wtf
btw im not fat irl
im even in weight gain diet
jolly bear
well WoW players are usually either incel skinny or incel fat
jolly sierra
kek
jolly bear
USUALLY
jolly sierra
or gigachad pumped
minor cape
i am like average
jolly bear
or gigachad pumped
just @ me its fine
minor cape
when are you planning to reach the absolute unit level
jolly sierra
just @ me its fine
wtf
minor cape
not like it was hard to believe
jolly bear
what that he's a furry? I respect it
jolly sierra
i need to practise fury
but i got a frost with a destro
REEEEEEEEEEE
and a leaver
jolly bear
if this is a pvp channel can we organize irl pvp
I vote yes
jolly sierra
we should pay for plane
just noticed fury is literally press a button then 2 twice then the first button then the other ones twice
i just joined SS without knowing anything
damn
jolly sierra
me smash
minor cape
avatar go brrr
queen geyser
minor cape
outlaw rogues when their burst hits for 120k in 3 abilities 😱
wary spire
If this continues - by season 3 outlaw will pump out a crazy burst (by season one standards) !
minor cape
destro lock when chaos bolt below 150k 
everyone who doesnt play rogue when rogue can deal damage:
wary spire
If it's so broken why representation is so mid.
I guess people just like pink more than yellow.
topaz cedar
???? what sort of genetically abnormal panda are you wtf
that's not a paw that's a straight up hand wtf
wary spire
that's not a paw that's a straight up hand wtf
Wdym, that's how they are in game as well.
topaz cedar
Wdym, that's how they are in game as well.
why are their hands different colours,,,
I'm starting to think this is a psyop,,
wary spire
You can't just ask why people have differently colored hands, 
topaz cedar
Wdym, that's how they are in game as well.
I'm very sorry ma'am,,
wary spire
Are we excited or scared of today's potential patchnotes? 
harsh steppe
excited af
how do i tell when i'm gonna get pulled out of stealth? sometimes i check & i have literally no debuffs, but i still get pulled out of stealth after evasion
topaz cedar
how do i tell when i'm gonna get pulled out of stealth? sometimes i check & i ha...
you can still be hit by aoe damage
also a side note im sure you know this already but just bc you seem new and is helpful info if you don't know it: evasion only lets dodge things from the front
the only class that can dodge anything from behind is demon hunter
harsh steppe
oh yah i know about aoe ofc, i mean, even if i avoid all aoe, have no debuffs, occasionally i still get pulled out of stealth after evasion
i think anyways... i could just be mistaken
wary spire
Assa tier gets you out of stealth appearantly. As well as undead racial. As well as jupiter/saturn conjuction, your diet and ghosts of your past.
topaz cedar
Assa tier gets you out of stealth appearantly. As well as undead racial. As well...
I only eat non-gmo concrete am i good
wary spire
Hardly!
topaz cedar
like to keep it natural like the cavemen
did you mean hardy, from all the concrete in my stomach
thank you for the compliment
harsh steppe
no, sub, & no set yet
wary spire
thank you for the compliment
You're welcome, you have a very solid diet.
wary spire
no, sub, & no set yet
It's tough to say. Dots, dk aura, flair, hard-to-spot aoe.
harsh steppe
hmm ok ty
last jasper
I use stopattack, cuz my guy often tries to autoattack from stealth if I still have target after dropping combat.
topaz cedar
Dk abomination
so do DKs lol
talent + a pvp talent for a cd on global [among the 50 others], that's necessary for 4set
harsh steppe
hmm that could be it, i have it on some of my skills but not all of them
last jasper
And with acrobatics ur autos can reach quite far
harsh steppe
https://youtu.be/wJWTcwVHaMM
typical game for me, any tips appreciated
wintry dew
The first sap of the arena was odd since the other targets were not visible
You just put him in dr
harsh steppe
i read to always sap someone, & if the healer isn't available, to sap the one available? saw it in a guide
stoic spruce
Assa tier gets you out of stealth appearantly. As well as undead racial. As well...
The shadow healing racial?
wintry dew
But why will you sap someone if you'll have no outcome in that
Imagine priest wanted to fear the paladin healer as soon as you guys opened
It's already on dr
Fear - sap Dr? Now I'm confused
minor cape
fear is on blind dr
wintry dew
Then nvm the explanation of the fear
harsh steppe
hmm ok noted, ty
harsh steppe
so just stick to them until target pops, then sap > blind?
wintry dew
That's a way to do it yes
harsh steppe
ok ty
harsh steppe
hmm ok
wintry dew
Which means the other dps didn't have to use defensives
minor cape
right away minute 1 - you open on hunter without controlling paladin in any way. Druid clones you and you waste your trinket when you have your second dance anyway and could have just sit there. Then you drop a meaningless bomb that doesn't do anything and waste a blind when your go isnt up
wintry dew
Thanks, i couldn't type all of that because I'm on phone
harsh steppe
ugh idk if i can remember all this
wintry dew
That's the way to improve
harsh steppe
yah i trinketed cuz i popped my sb so i didn't wanna waste my buffs, but ill save it next time
ahh yah i try hard to only kidney kill target
minor cape
hunter had nothing, pala had no bubble or trinket
if you kidneyd pala
hunter would be dead
harsh steppe
if i don't kidney kill target they just run away tho?
wintry dew
Cheap shot
harsh steppe
ohh
is that the standard? kidney off target & cheap shot kill target? i thought it was opposite
minor cape
situational
wintry dew
Anything could work
minor cape
this was the situation
wintry dew
But you gotta do it
minor cape
where you kidney healer
harsh steppe
ok tyty
harsh steppe
fewf, yah i've been practicing like crazy my dps rot
i'll work on my CCs on gos, ty guys
❤️
minor cape
🫡
surreal barn
Rogue is like a dance
You’re loads better than the video you posted month or so back
wintry dew
Hyper just needs to focus on the situation around him (ccs, CDs,) and breath.
His tunneling is a bad habit
surreal barn
From this video he’d make a good arms warrior