0 tier though
#pvp
jolly sierra
devs are lock mains confirmed
jolly bear
is this actually even a good win ratio
jolly sierra
is this actually even a good win ratio
more than 50? yeah
jolly bear
okay so as long as i win at least half i climb?
jolly bear
okay cool
idk how I feel about my warrior but im destroying on my sub rogue now
I'm ilvl 443 in pvp now too
shut solstice
Outlaw… we stacking mastery now?
shut solstice
This is the way.
jolly bear
holy shit i just did 110k dps to the pvp dummy
stoic spruce
just like me frfr 🙏
jolly sierra
guys
got the last piece of tier technically speaking
i'll talk about this to my healer, we will get the last point to 1k6 tomorrow, i'm resolved af
4set is a reality
potent pivot
got the last piece of tier technically speaking
congrats and gl 
jolly sierra
thank you
finally managed to complete first the set with rogue
holy fuck
i got the socketed monk helm
tiered too
dude what is going on
jolly sierra
yeah, stars aligned for 1 time
topaz cedar
please wish me luck
if this my however many consecutive weeks of not a single tier piece i will cry
wooooooo
time to actually push now
been playing just to cap
proven kayak
i took pants cusi have chest from blood coins
i get brigandine soon
from free token tier
proven kayak
y i cna agree
waxen meteor
ban
austere pawn
haste vers set head with socket, worth taking when I have a 450 head with vers mastery? I guess probably not?
jolly sierra
tier is tier
i got a shoulders which are shit
but still good cuz are tier, will replace later obviously
topaz cedar
was blizz smoking crack when making the pvp gear? are the blue rings not just better than the purple
minor cape
minor cape
was blizz smoking crack when making the pvp gear? are the blue rings not just be...
they arent but its pretty normal to go for blue mast ring + purple mast ring
topaz cedar
I get less mastery from purple mast ring than blue
minor cape
I get less mastery from purple mast ring than blue
you checked w scaling?
topaz cedar
yeah
gleaming trench
did some more testing with assa tier set. Not only the rupture keep you in combat, but when you vanish, it will pull you out of stealth after 3 seconds. nice.
topaz cedar
I mean this is the same game where you can vanish on a nelf and just sap them half the time
I'm starting to think blizzard just forgets combat states exist when they're coding
gleaming trench
yeah i suppose so, just trying to let this sink in. You're supposed to keep rupture up ideally on two targets all the time, which means you are in combat the entire duration. it literally kills the spec for me atleast, dunno how anyone could play it like this
wintry dew
Actually that's weird, unless it is now bugged, rupture doesn't leave you in combat if you don't hit not get hit for 6 seconds
topaz cedar
is there anything lamer than whispering someone to shittalk and then blocking right after lol
wintry dew
So it's the tier causing problems? Boy oh boy
gleaming trench
yes its the 40% extra nature damage tick that is breaking stealth
halcyon timber
topaz cedar
on a 1/6 streak pog
I absolutely love when players just triple dr everything in a full melee cleave lobby so it just becomes zug v zug and i cant keep up in the mongo trades
yes thank you for shockwaving two double dr targets 2 sec before dr reset thank u
actually losing my mind lmao
last jasper
damn, should I take tier 450 head or lfr legs with mastery? Assuming my 2nd piece is lfr hands
topaz cedar
what do people do when it seems like everyone in the lobby just refuses to let your spec play
cc wise
half venting half genuine question
minor cape
yeah, that's like one of the problems of sub in shuffle
where people would disable your cc
and its super comp dependant
like you dont really care if warlock ccs everyone or mage, but when its a warrior ughhhhh
harsh steppe
gm
topaz cedar
wait, can you not publicly make a recrafting order wtf
harsh steppe
nope
topaz cedar
thats so lame wtf
seeing as how my server seems barren of leatherworkers guess im just crafting a whole new one lmao
harsh steppe
yah i had to do it a few weeks ago and i just kept spamming general chat until i finallyf ound somone that could do it for me for 5k
minor cape
dude i think he scammed you
last jasper
Hmm, so I finally got my 2p. And cdr dam is so low…
harsh steppe
couldn't find anybody else that would do it =/
wintry dew
Reworkorders don't work like work orders BCS the crafter could actually lower the quality of the item
Altough it doesn't matter in pvp
Because the problem would be only the PvE item level
harsh steppe
why can't i not cast gouge, shadowy duel, etc. sometimes even if i have the energy & i have the skill available? sometimes i find myself spamming hte same skill for 5-10 seconds before i can use it
harsh steppe
they have to face me for gouge?
wintry dew
Let me see the tooltip
harsh steppe
Are you in range for duel?
hm that may be it, i'll keep an eye on it
wintry dew
Best way to duel is shadowstep-duel
Also the best way to kidney a rogue with evasion is shadowstep-kidney
harsh steppe
well i try to save my shadowsteps for when i really need them, but i'll start checking on the range
regardless i def have to spam gouge sometimes for a while before i use it
i'll try to record some games this week & post it here for critique see if i can figure it out
sharp sierra
wait, can you not publicly make a recrafting order wtf
There is a tab at the top left for recrafting and you only need half the mats needed to make a new piece. Doesn’t that put in a public order right away or just create it automatically? I never used it but i saw it.
I’ll use it on my infurious boots once i get another conquest trophy.
copper maple
they have to face me for gouge?
Yes
harsh steppe
ohhh that makes a lot of sense now lol, ty
copper maple
Which happens most of the time unless they're running away from you
harsh steppe
is there any way to get another tier piece besides 1600 or vault
last jasper
is there any way to get another tier piece besides 1600 or vault
Raid 🥲
last jasper
what difficulty?
I got my gloves from lfr and u can upgrade them to 424 by doing outdoor activities
harsh steppe
lfr? oh ok not bad
pale storm
Hyper out here asking about arena 1/2/3 macros and didn’t even know you had to be in front of target - these are the things that’ll help you, knowing how your abilities work
wary spire
So in the video dude repeated his points, whined about pika and found 2 asshats arguing off topic on the forums. 
Hilarious
wary spire
Honestly don't know why he expected reddit to be spicier than forums.
nova viper
Wasn't he the one who in s1 advocated for ss nerfs to save 3v3?
yes
nova viper
I can win 4-2 lobby at 2.2k mmr as assa. But I'm 1-5 at 1500mmr as sub
Sub Is he very unforgiving when it comes to small mistakes i guess?
proper heath
Sub Is he very unforgiving when it comes to small mistakes i guess?
Its just.... In solo shuffle. People are doing alot of random stuff. So I can't setup well as sub. People dr everything
last jasper
90k sec tec per hit in rotten is okay? 😄
proper heath
and u can't stun anything
minor cape
90k sec tec per hit in rotten is okay? 😄
real life yes
dummy - no
normal secret tech on dummy in rotten is 110-115k
per tick
if you sectech at the end of dance then can be up to 130k
last jasper
real life yes
normal life, yea. sadge
minor cape
it really depends who you are hitting tho
last jasper
btw, am I nuts or sometimes u need to re equip mastery shoulder so it updates to 450 ivl mastery (380)
last jasper
well it says 245 in the buff slot and less mastery in stats. untill I re equip it inside arena
last jasper
i think its a tooltip bug
I though that too. But it actually shows less mastery in both stats and tooltip.
last jasper
I just was wondering why i have sometimes 84% or 86% mastery. and found out it was the shoulder
pale storm
probably a bug, I know when I played assa at start of season you had to reapply a poison at the start of each match for leeching to apply
hidden dome
Oh man I sure love pre cog as a baseline free pvp talent for all casters
that really does make the game way more fun
hidden dome
and now we have a full caster meta
hidden dome
You don't play outlaw
do you?
Grappling hook is the most bugged spell in the game
By far
minor cape
but it sure as hell is fun
hidden dome
and blizz will never fix it
Yes, if it works
Which it doesn't
sometimes
but still goes on cd
minor cape
i mean yes outlaw isnt strong but it doesnt mean it isnt fun
anyways, i dont think the caster meta is to blame for outlaw being bad - its just that outlaw is undertuned kinda
copper maple
Outlaw was cooler with BtE as a stun
hidden dome
Outlaw was cooler when grappling hook wasn't a buggy mess
If you break Line of sight to the target destination after throwing it
then it goes on cooldown and does nothing
Leap doesn't do that
Just Grappling Hook
hidden dome
Also ramps giving you the "path no found" thing
and they added a new arena with a ramp
But warriors also have that problem
copper maple
I hate ramps in general
hidden dome
same
but yeah, outlaw was the most fun when BtE still stunned
BfA Outlaw was fun in general
copper maple
Hard to get los right, we aren't playing a first person game
hidden dome
Shadowlands Outlaw was also fun tbh
last jasper
Grappling hook is the most bugged spell in the game
Does it makes you dc in the middle of arena? 😂 no
copper maple
SL Mind Control flashbacks
hidden dome
How does checkPvP's leaderboard work?
Trimax rogues have all vanished from the leaderboard
wintry dew
There is a tab at the top left for recrafting and you only need half the mats ne...
Craft = public
Recraft = personal
hidden dome
Btw, how do I beat boomkins in 2s as Outlaw? I think I have a 0% winrate against any boomkin that has a normal IQ
wintry dew
Try to kill the other guy xD
hidden dome
ye, I tried that
but even with me LoSing his burst and proper defensive usage I still can't win.
last jasper
Try sub 😂
surreal barn
Boomies are in a damn good spot rn tbh
last jasper
Can’t have both. Need to choose 😂
hidden dome
then I rather take the free loss. Boomies are still very rare in 2s
I only see one every 10 matches
last jasper
How do u guys feel about dh?
spring bough
But I don't want to swap to a spec I don't enjoy playing
I used to hate sub. Only played outlaw all of shadowlands and all of season one. But these crits that sub gets make you feel like such a baller lol
And I’m def still learning the sub gameplay probably screw up my rotation a few times a day
last jasper
I used to hate sub. Only played outlaw all of shadowlands and all of season one....
If only these big crits wasn’t from aoe ability.
wintry dew
I mean
spring bough
I’ve had a few secret techs w 1 cast 3 hits that did 200k plus those are wicked to see lol
last jasper
I’ve had a few secret techs w 1 cast 3 hits that did 200k plus those are wicked ...
I love the part when it erase ppl, tho 😂😂
spring bough
I think the other day I had a tech did back to back 135k to one dude followed by a 200k evis
Was like 80 to 0 in under 1.0 seconds
Then the other half the time I’m running around like a chicken w it’s head cutoff waiting for dance tech and blood to be back off CD 😂
hidden dome
I used to hate sub. Only played outlaw all of shadowlands and all of season one....
Well, it does sound fun, maybe I'll give it a try once I hit 1.8 with outlaw
spring bough
Only reason I went it cause I hit rival on outlaw week 1 then dropped like 200 rating right after. Hit rival 3 or 4 days after first trying sub wasn’t too bad
I try to go back to outlaw but it’s 3-3 like every time 😂
hidden dome
Yeah, Outlaw feels very rng in SS
The rng is whether your teammates trigger dr at bad times
steep loom
Yeah. I've noticed a lot that with outlaw it's heavily reliant on your teammates not screwing up lol
surreal barn
That white LFR tier set looks kinda cool
sharp sierra
Then the other half the time I’m running around like a chicken w it’s head cutof...
I used downtime with no dance or tech to create combo points for peeling, if everyone is good i’ll evis. But mainly just CC’ing and peeling during that time
hidden dome
That white LFR tier set looks kinda cool
I like almost all of the set colours this season. We really got lucky with the set
compared to the other leather classes
surreal barn
Agree. When did they let you mog something diff to each shoulder? This new?
hidden dome
I think they added that early SL
spring bough
I used downtime with no dance or tech to create combo points for peeling, if eve...
I might have to hover near healer in those situations and try to CC as much as possible let other DPS do some work till CDs up lol
proven kayak
I think they added that early SL
Was in late s2 or early s3 if I’m not wrong
hidden dome
Oh, I think you are right. It was a .5 patch. Most likey season 2
proven kayak
Ye or smth
surreal barn
The extra shadowstep you get from sepsis is legit. Wish this skill couldn’t be dispelled
shut solstice
Btw, how do I beat boomkins in 2s as Outlaw? I think I have a 0% winrate against...
Only way we beat them is when I take ghostly strike and just PUMP. If you let them slip, you’re dead.
hidden dome
I will try that, thanks
shut solstice
I will try that, thanks
Line it up with your 10% prey on the weak, ghostly strike, SD and just destroy.
And then cry as you try to survive till your next go
hidden dome
that could work
shut solstice
Who’s your partner?
shut solstice
As it should since our damage is shit. We just don’t have a closer really. Just gotta keep pumping. Nice that you have a little bit of disc damage too.
My partner is rdruid, so I get the mark of the wild at the very least.
hidden dome
I also notice I should just stick to boomy in burst. Usually I hard switch when defensives are popped to keep up the little pressure Outlaw creates
surreal barn
Extra shadowstep?
Shadowstrike but yeah I use it like a step. It includes the teleport unlike a dance
wintry dew
Okay okay i get you
lyric onyx
my gear is actually insane after this reset
88% mastery, 2 set, still got conq to cap this week and get a new piece
duelist gonna be ezclap
proper meteor
is it memeing to play sub/healer in 2s atm or currently viable to push with?
twin burrow
Hey for all of you out of the loop, sub is S tier
minor cape
is it memeing to play sub/healer in 2s atm or currently viable to push with?
sub disc might be best 2s comp rn
last jasper
The amount of ppl with honor neck makes me cry
minor cape
im buying conq neck this week
the reason is mastery ring gives a big boost
and wep too
🫡
and then you kinda want the trinket too
so neck is not 1st priority
last jasper
so neck is not 1st priority
Yea. I know. It was the only viable item in my first vault. Should’ve take socket
unborn portal
juicy disc priest looking for cracked rogue for 2's games
dm me or hit my LINE
minor cape
you are US
unborn portal
yes I am free
minor cape
fuck im EU (the homo one)
unborn portal
fuck im EU (the homo one)
unborn portal
:disarm
surreal barn
Idk what to craft this week 😂
potent pivot
juicy disc priest looking for cracked rogue for 2's games
Careful we can’t use the server as LFG 
spring bough
duelist gonna be ezclap
Jinxed lol. I thought eh after first two weeks duelist won’t be so bad to grind but it is. All these R1s around 2k lol
lyric onyx
Jinxed lol. I thought eh after first two weeks duelist won’t be so bad to grind ...
I’m at just under 2k so shouldn’t be too bad 🤞
jolly sierra
hmmm i've already read hpal, fire and arcane mages reworks in wowhead
lyric onyx
Just need a bit of luck with matchups
surreal barn
Lol why do you think we are getting changes
lyric onyx
Because it literally says it lol
jolly sierra
cuz we were announced along those fuckers
surreal barn
If anything they will +/- our backstab dmg again
jolly sierra
and i already read some of them
surreal barn
Rogue fixed
lyric onyx
It will be more than just tuning if they put us in with the reworks hpal are getting
jolly sierra
they will fix nightstalker and then give us a slap /s
but at least we are considered
surreal barn
“After deep consideration, we have decided to put Kidney Shot on its own DR”
potent pivot
It will be more than just tuning if they put us in with the reworks hpal are get...
We are supposed to be getting reworks, not tuning
Afaik
harsh steppe
hmmm i've already read hpal, fire and arcane mages reworks in wowhead
do we know the new changes?
magic apex
how is pvp without vigor? i see a bunch of builds without it and its just such a nice QOL talent
potent pivot
For sub? No vigor is fine
potent pivot
We know mage pal etc
jolly sierra
we are left for the end tho
last jasper
I bet they’ll move talents around, so we won’t be able to make cheesy sec tecs
jolly sierra
to mages they removed combust and made them baseline in one
harsh steppe
ugh
potent pivot
They still have combust
They combined Sun Kings Blessing and Pyroclasm
And removed Rune of Power
last jasper
They removed rune of power
potent pivot
Yeah
last jasper
The one mages were begging to remove
jolly sierra
im curious what will be add instead
w ret they removed all their slows
and just added it to judgment
last jasper
im curious what will be add instead
Instead rune?
jolly sierra
yeah
potent pivot
Atm they aren’t adding anything to replace it
jolly sierra
ah then is nice
surreal barn
I mean I’m down for rogue changes. What kind of changes would you like to see? Personally I miss vendetta 😂 I loved that skill
last jasper
To get rid of talents like Danse Macabre
jolly sierra
they will bring back vendetta tho
with combat readiness
lol
u will see ppl will beg for being less squishy
fathom dew
Let me steal gold from players with pickpocket
jolly sierra
or something like that
copper maple
I liked vendetta for double rogue cheese
With the other rogue being sub and using duel right after vendetta
copper maple
Besides that it was a rather boring ability
fading blade
alright sub chads, is 4 pc really worth losing some stats?
copper maple
+x% damage go brr
waxen meteor
Guys do you think the lose or control boot is better or go life bound with double mastery boost?
Nothing against the loc boot but life bound can get some additional mastery as base gear stat
minor cape
alright sub chads, is 4 pc really worth losing some stats?
fuck no
minor cape
I mean I’m down for rogue changes. What kind of changes would you like to see? P...
remove sec tech and make burst eviscerate based and remove macabre
🫡
replace it w smth else
as to law its fine just make it do damage 
chrome reef
Hi guys just coming back to Rogue since 10.0, are we considering Shadowflame enchant or do we stick to Sophic?
minor cape
on sub sophic
jolly sierra
if u are assa u can use shadowflame without problems
kind jay
for pvp, what other dps pairs well with sub in 2v2?
chrome reef
Im assuming assa uses shadowflame because it procs on poison dots?
minor cape
for pvp, what other dps pairs well with sub in 2v2?
fire mage, destro lock, ret paladin, ench
kind jay
i saw something that said frost mage and i was curious
minor cape
yeah frost is viable but its just a lot harder than fire
and double dps in 2s is overall weaker than healer dps rn
jolly sierra
Im assuming assa uses shadowflame because it procs on poison dots?
procs will all dots in general
minor cape
but you can still do it, me and my friend who hasnt really played wow reached 1600 this season in 2s with destro sub
i know its not high but still
🫡
unborn portal
remove sec tech and make burst eviscerate based and remove macabre
REAL
I hate secret tech
would play rogue again if it was gutted
minor cape
is high for now tho
sry not 1600, its 1580, but close xd
got tier from shuffle anyway lolol
minor cape
would play rogue again if it was gutted
i want to do a cold blooded eviscerate for 300k 😡
jolly sierra
sry not 1600, its 1580, but close xd
pretty nice anyways
look from yesterday
my partner was called to rbg roster so F
last jasper
i want to do a cold blooded eviscerate for 300k 😡
U can. On a dummy 😂
waxen meteor
dunno if is a good idea tbh
i thought we do a go every 20-25
alpine tinsel
fuck deathmark
All my homies hate deathmark
alpine tinsel
look from yesterday
Lmao we were just talking about this
jolly sierra
<:2ez:587982296066424843> i thought we do a go every 20-25
welp
alpine tinsel
Vendetta and duskwalkers need to come back for assa that’d make so happy
I miss having a real go
jolly sierra
i miss having a go where im not dispelled
surreal barn
look from yesterday
Are you seriously 1 point away from your tier pc
jolly sierra
Are you seriously 1 point away from your tier pc
yes
topaz cedar
hmmm i've already read hpal, fire and arcane mages reworks in wowhead
dk reworks soon copium
elfin maple
Hello, is it worth playing 4set in 2s as sub rogue/ disc priest?
jolly sierra
dk reworks soon copium
yeah
last jasper
I'm not sure it worth playin 4p in any bracket.
last jasper
yea, for mastery
alpine tinsel
i miss having a go where im not dispelled
I miss having a go that actually moves HP bars in a smoke bomb or blind
topaz cedar
I miss having a go that actually moves HP bars in a smoke bomb or blind
what spec are you playing
alpine tinsel
Ass
topaz cedar
i mean its worse than sub obv but you do still do damage
alpine tinsel
My two speeds are pressure and slightly more pressure
jolly sierra
got the 1k6
thanks to my chad guildie
ironically assa is doing dmg now
the only problem is the fkn endureness
4 S E T F O R M E
minor cape
nice
wary spire
Sweet!
I can replace my shoulder tier with it.
I have cum boots and a cloak. I thought about crafting the correct boots, but now wondering if I should go shoulders instead. 
sharp sierra
I might have to hover near healer in those situations and try to CC as much as p...
Yup
alpine tinsel
ironically assa is doing dmg now
still playing the bleed build?
harsh steppe
4 S E T F O R M E
gzzzzz
spring bough
as long as one isnt an embelish yes
pale storm
You can equip crafted in all slots - however only 2 can be embellishments
I’m going to craft vers/mastery neck, 2x rings, helm, gloves eventually
Using spore cloak and infurious boots as my embellishments and crafted vers/mastery shoulders today
spring bough
screwing around w outlaw and when main gauche gets KBs is feels so dirty lol nice lil 9k hit for a KB
quaint cedar
I'm actually getting some nice main gauche hits now that I have more mastery gear
Hitting for like 15k non crit and about 20k crit
It procs a lot too
spring bough
yeah i just topped the overall w a mage spriest and fury war lobby
quaint cedar
Main gauche is always my top 3 damage in details now
quaint cedar
Nice! Yeah that about matches my numbers
Mastery outlaw is a bit underrated I think
spring bough
putting more mastery gear on as we speak lol
quaint cedar
I'm almost full mastery, except for infurious boots, one of my weapons, and shoulders, and maybe 1 or 2 other slots
spring bough
ima be a troll, drop a few things pickup shadow step and drop grapple to pickup ambidex and riptose
see how much more gauche does next solo
quaint cedar
lol
spring bough
1 point i keep moving is going from 2/2 CTO w no heavy hitter, to heavy hitter w 1/2CTO, gonna try no heavy w 1/2 CTO and float next
quaint cedar
I have wondered what full mastery riposte would be like
spring bough
float makes sense more evasions more dodges more main gauche
quaint cedar
I've been running 7 cp build with heavy hitter, GSW, and no roll talents
That's been working best for me so far
spring bough
ah i take all the RTB talents lol
quaint cedar
It's tough because I want to have less rtb rng but also sometimes even with the talents you still get shit rolls and then it makes the talents feel wasted
spring bough
felt like every dance with 2/2 i was getting minimum 3-4
quaint cedar
Yeah dance usually gives good buffs at least
I might give it another shot
Surprised you were hitting 72k dispatches without 7 cp though
spring bough
i do have 7 cp. heavy hitter is the 10% extra dmg on the combo point abilities
feels like we dont really need that too much anymore
quaint cedar
Hmm really? I thought that would be important for ambushes and GSW
I guess better rtb buffs could outweigh that 10% builder damage
Broadsides alone gives you 15% builder damage
spring bough
on dummy without heavy hitter pistol crit for 72k so think with heavy the most ive had in arena was high 70s
quaint cedar
Do you run blinding powder?
spring bough
nope dont use it. depending on how this riptose goes gonna put my 2 points back in grap hook and retractable hook
quaint cedar
Man I'd hate to have to give up even more utility for damage
Even if blind is sad now
spring bough
did anyone see these class changes that got posted? they giving some of these mana classes 200k more mana lol
why does ele and enhance need more mana and a faster regen rate i dont get it lol
"our goal is to allow for more continuous casts of utility and healing spells" cool so rated pvp gonna be continuous CC got it lol
queen geyser
Also loving mastery Outlaw
And yes Main Gauche KBs are filthy
https://youtu.be/dm4bkJFiLJw?t=193 Still, GSW KBs are much more satisfying
(I wish they would make GSW 300% again)
spring bough
just beat an evo who was maitaining 100k dps and i am outlaw im done for the day lol
jolly sierra
I have cum boots and a cloak. I thought about crafting the correct boots, but no...
im seriously thinking the same
i got shoulders so i have no problems needing craft there for now
im using cum boots but can get infurious or crafting a ring
what a dillema
jolly sierra
still playing the bleed build?
yiss but thinking in going shiv route
alpine tinsel
That’s what I’ve been playing it pumps pretty good
jolly sierra
the thing is about DTB
topaz cedar
how bursty actually is dance on outlaw
jolly sierra
do u sacrifice it for going there?
topaz cedar
i havent played outlaw since legion
alpine tinsel
Yeah I take full left side of the bottom of the tree
topaz cedar
the idea of a 1 min cd single charge no cdr dance is appealing to the boomer side of my brain
jolly sierra
hmmmmm
alpine tinsel
Shiv buffs all your bleed dam by 20% for 8 seconds plus hemo
alpine tinsel
Ye hang on
jolly sierra
kk
maybe can use that or just taking the poison mutilate
to get benefits from 4set
alpine tinsel
can drop some juicy envenoms there too
jolly sierra
got 80k env with that today
alpine tinsel
no idea why it capped the nimble fingers but that side is standard where its covered up lol
alpine tinsel
yup, running wound/crip with this
jolly sierra
have u felt u need deadly poison dmg?
alpine tinsel
honestly havent missed it and have been doing more dam with this build
alpine tinsel
I havent tried it, but the goal of this one is high bleed pressure so stacking wound helps keep the overall pressure up
sure thing
the 2 and 4 set will probably feel good with this t00 with rupture and tempest both being buffed + shiv buff
jolly sierra
im doubting about what to use now tbh
but i drooped tempest btw
the dmg is way too low to requiere that amount of maintenance
alpine tinsel
you should at least try it for a few skirms. It's top 5 damage a lot of the time
alpine tinsel
especially if you get cleave situations. cuz again the aoe shiv talent is buffing all bleeds including CT bleed
lucid citrus
do you guys hold you sectec at the end of the rotation or send it at the beginning?
fathom dew
depends on the situation
more macab is better but sometimes you gotta send it early before cc or defensives
jolly sierra
gotta think a lot this night during unrated bg queues
spring bough
patiently waiting these rogue changes still lol
give us some machine gun pistol shot that fires like 10+ lmao
spring bough
Main gauche is always my top 3 damage in details now
sitting at 48% mastery and this is overall 6 solo rounds without ambidex or riposte too
chrome schooner
Ah, people who walk my path
alpine tinsel
I’ve been trying to tell them for a few days now about it!
alpine tinsel
Hahaha it’s felt way better to me to play. Damage is actually competitive
chrome schooner
Yeah
I still haven't gotten ANY set despite 3 vault capping 4 rogues since week 1
But I imagine with 2P it feels even better
alpine tinsel
Sheeesh dude
alpine tinsel
I’ve only capped one vault so far this season but that’s bad luck
Lmao same
I have gotten exactly 1 tier item since they were a thing these recent xpacs before the catalyst opened
jolly sierra
Yeha I've always been destined to wait for catalyst
should i use that path w 4set? thought i should go nature dmg if tier is more poison based
ur path is more bleed based tho
chrome schooner
well, I'd personally play the bleed build with only 2P chest legs, and mastery on every slot
if I played 4p I'd go dtb poison bomb
jolly sierra
think it adds nature dmg
jolly sierra
ah kk
chrome schooner
the nature part of mutilate is like
quaint cedar
sitting at 48% mastery and this is overall 6 solo rounds without ambidex or ripo...
I'll have to check what my mastery is at tomorrow. You might have a little more than me. I am curious to see what it would look like with riposte and ambi.
chrome schooner
2k per mutilate
jolly sierra
yep
jolly sierra
gotcha fair enough
quaint cedar
Another nice thing about mastery outlaw is you don't have to worry about having your entire secondary stat deleted by warlocks for the entire game
jolly sierra
lets use this set then
quaint cedar
Still don't know why amp curse of weakness is allowed but w/e
chrome schooner
I think playing 2P full mastery wil be fun tbh
jolly sierra
(and wait for a rework)
chrome schooner
we'll see when we can actuallly have full gear & all
but i'd really like to do that
jolly sierra
me too, but still need to check what is better
very few players has four pieces atm tho
torpid thicket
Weird question, what do we think is the best pvp spec for battlegrounds/rbgs? Is there one?
chrome schooner
well it kinda depends what you play as well right
if you play assa rmp
of course going envenom is better 100%, and ct will be useless
now if you play with a WARLOCK
jolly sierra
XDDDDD
chrome schooner
big aoe dam is good
jolly sierra
yep
interesting
there is a lot to see while they announce the reworks
AHHHH LAST QUESTION
PLEASE HELP ME WITH WHAT SHOULD I CRAFT NEXT
chrome schooner
hehe idk I'm just not feeling the rush rn so I craft what I miss kinda
chrome schooner
I crafted the boots ofc, I crafted a ring with no embelishment, i crafted a head piece with no embelishment for my 2p set
I'll craft some shoulders with the shadowflame stuff to see how it does in the future I think
chrome schooner
ye
better stats
and the effect fits with the way assa deals dmg
that + the weapon enchant
chrome schooner
+, I hope, the shadowflame embellish that I'll try in two weeks
yes
in the end it's a lot of stuff that procs and deals random damage
jolly sierra
kk, should i do a ring then?
chrome schooner
idk :p
jolly sierra
:l
jolly sierra
welp hahaha
chrome schooner
there are actually two rings that we can craft
in the end I'll probably do that and wear no pvp rings
jolly sierra
yeah think one is embelished
jolly sierra
are u sure?
jolly sierra
hmmmm
chrome schooner
I don't recall the name
jolly sierra
both crafted?
chrome schooner
yes
jolly sierra
need to recall too
chrome schooner
I think that's the one indeed
chrome schooner
ring-bound hourglass
jolly sierra
exactly
lemme see something
ah u can give pvp ilvl too
nice
thought it was restricted
like pve weps
tbh, i think ill need to get m+ to get a 447
OH dagger
spring bough
i think its just 11-15s you need to farm to get the piece to upgrade crafted items to 447
shouldnt be too bad
clever blaze
i think its just 11-15s you need to farm to get the piece to upgrade crafted ite...
if you're talking about upgrading a pve piece to 447 you need to run +16s
waxen meteor
I still haven't gotten ANY set despite 3 vault capping 4 rogues since week 1
hey don't worry i am here with you
main char as rogue/dh = 0
side bar priest got 4 pfff
honestly i priest tier set is actually aweful
jolly sierra
he was too angry to die
waxen meteor
and he didn't take rotten as well
jolly sierra
so pushed all his way there
waxen meteor
it was really like the cheese build of dayv's last season
with all season 2 touch up s
but what's interesting is he didn't take the first row backstab talent
which seems to be a good idea
jolly sierra
wasn't dayv?
waxen meteor
as long as one isnt an embelish yes
what makes the item embelish
the special effect like adds mastery with 90%
or the 450 pvp ilevel
jolly sierra
the effect
waxen meteor
the effect
so in theory i can do a 450 one?
jolly sierra
so in theory i can do a 450 one?
if u don't add anything besides the trophy, sure why not
waxen meteor
if u don't add anything besides the trophy, sure why not
sounds good, the r1 is using a 424 one... so i thought it's just the max level
jolly sierra
shadenox said i can use a ring at 450 ilvl as crafted
and he adviced to keep the cum boots
for my spec at least
wise breach
so I don't know if this has been discussed, but apparently the assa 2pc just breaks shadowmeld, can't ever restealth if there's a rupture ticking
jolly sierra
yeah its true
waxen meteor
shadenox said i can use a ring at 450 ilvl as crafted
I just did it
yeah it works
ilvl 450 ring
wise breach
Jesus fuck, delete demo locks from the game
jolly sierra
Jesus fuck, delete demo locks from the game
HAHAHAHAHAHA
and ppl gaslighted me when i said were the shit for me in s1 as rogue
topaz cedar
HOW DO U ALREADY HAVE 4SET
i fucking hate this game lmao
most ive reached on any of my 4 characters [capping every week] is 2 set, AFTER spending 1600 tokens
jolly sierra
HOW DO U ALREADY HAVE 4SET
I HAVE LUCK
topaz cedar
how dare you
jolly sierra
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226359213427916800/1113217020863975516/FB...
i won't deny it, i fkn laugh a lot when i saw this picture with caps
every fucking time
topaz cedar
go lfr and cheat a piece
bold of you implying im even at 3 pieces
jolly sierra
bold of you implying im even at 3 pieces
i was at 1 one week ago
well, 3 days ago
got one from lfr, did 2
got one from vault, got 3
reached 1k6, got the fourth one
sharp sierra
hey guys just started playing, do we replace last tier set with honor gear?
grand haven
vocal surge
lol
jolly sierra
im in my ret
vocal surge
poor soul
jolly sierra
= D
topaz cedar
honestly since the pacing changes in s2 i see way more healers going 6-0 / 0-6 than dps
waxen meteor
yeah in some lobbies it's really easy
like if your dps doesn't do anything to monk, just outheal priest imo no matter what
vocal surge
Yeah
waxen meteor
in such zug zug heal heal raid lobby, it's very hard
vocal surge
I had healers try to be toxic to me before
topaz cedar
I honestly really dont like the pacing of these past couple xpacs
vocal surge
and they were going
"Hey stoopid, press BOP
You know what BOP is right?"
and he was talking mad crap
So I purposefully let them die
vocal surge
waxen meteor
Sometimes the lobby just looks so bad
vocal surge
There was also another healer I came across at a high rating that was horrible at their class but had an ego about being good and wondered why my friend didn't play well
Meanwhile me and my bud saw each other in the match, said no way
got on call in the middle of the solo shuffle (while trading CDs)
and coordinated hard
This healer is out in the middle of the enemy team getting punted with CCs
waxen meteor
haha
vocal surge
and we're tryna keep him alive and that's forcing CDs on our end that should've been on reserve
waxen meteor
in solo sometimes you dare to go mid
vocal surge
when he is CC'd
waxen meteor
the worst part of being a healer is 1 guy keeps goes west, and the other keeps going east
vocal surge
I had to use Spellwarden on this healer because he was out in the middle of nowhere with no cover sitting at 10% HP
vs 2 casters on the enemy team
and by the end of the round, if I had Spellwarden there, that would've been a win
maybe
make that a maybe
forgot the priest and friend were at 15% HP when I died lol
jolly sierra
got this beauty as ring
lol it already includes a socket
niiiiiiice
now i'm watching
think we gonna craft a neck too, the conq one has way too low mastery
minor cape
why does assa need crafted dagger wassup with that
jolly sierra
we dont have conventional versa mastery OH
like sub or outlaw with a full set at choice
minor cape
assa can only use daggers?
jolly sierra
yes
copper maple
Does everyone really min max stats on gear so much?
jolly sierra
if it increases ur main damage sources, sure why not
monk for example has one of the best masteries in game cuz they increases all dmg while are not succesives attacks
nova viper
assa can only use daggers?
Only outlaw running with swords and other wierd stuff
jolly sierra
that is the reason they hits like trucks all time
minor cape
Only outlaw running with swords and other wierd stuff <:kekdog:90720703775729671...
sub can have any offhand
nova viper
sub can have any offhand
But is waste of potencial imo
minor cape
claw sword mace axe dagger
nova viper
Potential? Is corecct english word? 
minor cape
right now every sub is running with a sword i think
jolly sierra
potencial = potential in my language lol
copper maple
I personally wouldn't go out of my way to collect perfect set with perfect stats
minor cape
panda its time to ask the big question
copper maple
Just get the PvP set or something
minor cape
are you spanish
copper maple
Or Portuguese
nova viper
France i guess 
jolly sierra
spanish
nova viper
Que passa
jolly sierra
always lives in pain
nova viper
copper maple
Vamos panda
minor cape
ayyy el gringo loco
copper maple
Don't do what exactly? 😄
minor cape
Trickz when someone is not american: 
jolly sierra
hablar así
nova viper
Spanish is good. I was there in vacation
jolly sierra
soy el gato con botas
minor cape
cum boots?
copper maple
Botas
jolly sierra
yeah my boots has cum
copper maple
Valtteri Bottas?
jolly sierra
vrooom vrooom
nova viper
Slajmowe buty
minor cape
me la jale con botas?
copper maple
He goes vroom vroom in Spain this week actually
jolly sierra
Trickz when someone is not american: <:sub:433007835606155265>
trickz when someone is not american: 
jolly sierra
latin america is worse tho
minor cape
the real question is will they rob me more than in latvia
nova viper
He goes vroom vroom in Spain this week actually
Valencia nice city u must go there
topaz cedar
yeah my boots has cum
stop,,
jolly sierra
poor of typing ur phone in public
copper maple
Just have the tourist purse that hangs on your chest
nova viper
they are rogues for real with tourists
You should go to Polish football fans streets
copper maple
Can't pickpocket that
topaz cedar
clean your boots,,
topaz cedar
You should go to Polish football fans streets <:kekw:754794288008921199>
those are fury warriors not rogues
jolly sierra
You should go to Polish football fans streets <:kekw:754794288008921199>
thought british hooligans were worse
they pvp outside stadiums
minor cape
latin america is worse tho
when they decided to make military mandatory in Latvia i seriously considered going to Argentina no joke, cause i am in the age group to get drafted and Argentina is not in EU obv and is easy to go to lol. But then they decided to only draft people born after 2004 so im good
topaz cedar
thought british hooligans were worse
iirc polish is worse for it
jolly sierra
when they decided to make military mandatory in Latvia i seriously considered go...
ah nice
nova viper
iirc polish is worse for it
U from Poland?
topaz cedar
ay yo wikipedia gettin to the point
jolly sierra
well the problem w argentina rn
is than most than half are poor cuz devalued money
at least u didnt went there
minor cape
ay yo wikipedia gettin to the point
i live in one of the most criminal places in riga (basically hood) how about that
copper maple
If you live in Latvia, why not move within EU. Why Argentina?
minor cape
lol
minor cape
If you live in Latvia, why not move within EU. Why Argentina?
so i dont get drafted
but not a problem anymore i guess
copper maple
Why would you get drafted outside Latvia
jolly sierra
a lot of ppl from europe ran to argentina tho
minor cape
cause thats what they wanted to do!
vocal surge
we dont have conventional versa mastery OH
have you tried the Warmode daggers or are they not mastery based?
minor cape
and they will
topaz cedar
a lot of ppl from europe ran to argentina tho
l.. like after world war 2 you mean..?
jolly sierra
at least in 20th century
minor cape
i mean noone will go sure
jolly sierra
have you tried the Warmode daggers or are they not mastery based?
ye i have them
copper maple
Come to Russia, they won't draft you here X D
minor cape
but this will be the law
jolly sierra
are ok but wanna go optimal
minor cape
Come to Russia, they won't draft you here X D
fuck that
jolly sierra
l.. like after world war 2 you mean..?
nah even after WW2
topaz cedar
nah even after WW2
oh i was just joking about that hitler argentina conspiracy theory
minor cape
south america is mor like arena y know
jolly sierra
kek
minor cape
except you fight 1v2
topaz cedar
also if you wanna avoid drafting switzerland seems like a good bet
minor cape
but russia is epic bgs
sharp sierra
hey fellas do we replace last season tier with honor gear or save till new tier?
jolly sierra
south america is war mode on
minor cape
hey fellas do we replace last season tier with honor gear or save till new tier?
replace
copper maple
Epic bg with vehicle combat
jolly sierra
100% of time
minor cape
Latvia is normal bgs except people are disconnecting all the time
topaz cedar
never spoken to anyone from latvia but lithuania is chill going by all the people i met there so im just gonna assume every baltic state is
estonians ive met have been chill also
topaz cedar
I wish to enact my HOI4 masterplan irl and join finland and estonia together once more and annex sweden and norway,,
jolly sierra
but not the other states
copper maple
Finns are the chillest from my experience
topaz cedar
finns are like 50/50 on chill or unironic nazi in my experience
quite polarised
online finns at least
nova viper
USA is the best country
jolly sierra
in south america is similar
vocal surge
El Salvador prepatch is WoD's colosseun when it was current content
nova viper
jolly sierra
u have a lot of ppl believing they are aryans
topaz cedar
USA is the best country
copium fumes are leaking out of my pc from that
topaz cedar
u have a lot of ppl believing they are aryans
I think mexican aryans are a big thing too in mexico
jolly sierra
whitexicans?
topaz cedar
added mexico so u wouldnt think i thought mexico was south america,,
white <-> tan range
but i mean hey lovecraft considered himself aryan even lmao
vocal surge
jolly sierra
chile is like westfall in moonbrook
vocal surge
xD
vocal surge
Nah, Trickz busy writing articles elsewhere
wont check for another 2hr to 3hrs maybe
jolly sierra
trickz reading the chat: 😠😠😠
nova viper
We must spam about pvp now
jolly sierra
yeah
vocal surge
Shhh
nova viper
Zug zug healers are op
vocal surge
our talk is pvp related
nova viper
Zug zug lock must be deleted
jolly sierra
how much rogues did u killed with ur alt?
vocal surge
Me?
jolly sierra
zug zug sexo blind good shockwave bad
vocal surge
Like 2
jolly sierra
dunno any of u lol
nova viper
how much rogues did u killed with ur alt?
I dont have alts
jolly sierra
lets spam the chat
vocal surge
Rest were locks shammies
nova viper
Only rogue
vocal surge
or casters
nova viper
Shaman enh is kinda op imo
jolly sierra
enh should be nerfed
vocal surge
agreed
vocal surge
or remove bloodlust from arena
copper maple
I haven't played 10.1, but for some reason the Blind nerf tilts me. How will I cap bases in random bgs?
jolly sierra
i got assblasted by a 120k elemental blast after being fkn dampened by his BL
nova viper
BG? Who play BG
jolly sierra
i got every cd used and the fucker depleted me
jolly sierra
I haven't played 10.1, but for some reason the Blind nerf tilts me. How will I c...
u dont
minor cape
I haven't played 10.1, but for some reason the Blind nerf tilts me. How will I c...
sap bomb
jolly sierra
that is how u cap
copper maple
Unironically small sized BG would be a better PvP mode than arena
minor cape
fuck no
jolly sierra
nah
nova viper
No
vocal surge
no
copper maple
It has objectives, objectives are fun
vocal surge
Your asking for MM Hunters to have a field day
nova viper
BG is so fookin unbalanced
copper maple
Bg =/= big open field
vocal surge
Still
copper maple
We need new ones for small teams
vocal surge
MM Hunters dominate in BGs
copper maple
Designed for that
nova viper
Like a open world where all have potions, toys and all this crap stuff
jolly sierra
that sounds like gurubashi arena
minor cape
thats what i like about arena
vocal surge
you had RBGs
minor cape
that i can just have fun and fight
jolly sierra
go kill is funny
vocal surge
But no one plays RBGs
minor cape
instead of splitpushing lanes
nova viper
Solo is fun, but these queues are a joke
copper maple
Can actually use stealth past one opener on arena
minor cape
imagine having to participate in battles against a flag carrier
topaz cedar
All proper competitive pvp games play around objectives
i mean nah
fighting games exist
nova viper
I wait 30 minutes for playing 3 rounds bcs 1 guy leave
topaz cedar
and are huge