pvp

[wintry dew]

right

you know, you wont know if you like them or not if you don't atleast try them, and there are classes that "feel" way better than rogue in pvp

[odd mortar]

i made an assa rogue as a rogue newbie too! now i have 2 rogues 🙂

its not a bad idea mane

I played rogue in TBC then quit wow

[jolly sierra]

take 10 bleed pills and then go to arena

[wintry dew]

i have two 70's rogues rn aswell

[jolly sierra]

tbh

[odd mortar]

someone just dodged my almost first ever insta pop

motherfkers

[jolly sierra]

i really feel warriors were a brute class

then i got inspired from a guy from this discord

to speedrun and went warrior

was funny af tbh

[wintry dew]

man

all i gotta do is watch bajheera play

[jolly sierra]

now im just capping

[wintry dew]

and i wanna play my warrior

[jolly sierra]

dude is funny

but not to flex

when i leap to a guy and kill him into an execute i really laugh a lot tbh

[odd mortar]

yeah warrior is pretty fun

first class i ever played, back in the vanilla days

[wintry dew]

bajheera is just so chill no rage, i love him

[jolly sierra]

same as mes

the funniest thing is they are natural talented, so doesn't care about tryharding

[wintry dew]

and they have the right friends

im watching baj/vanguards/disc, its amazing

[jolly sierra]

well mes not at all if he is still in team liquid

:l

fucking cdew

[wintry dew]

cdew raging on rogues for years

xD

[jolly sierra]

vanguardz is funny to watch too

watched him in ret paladin god mode day 1

and the guy just exploded ppl

[hidden dome]

Is the root-silence a restro druid talent or what? Never seen it before

[jolly sierra]

root or silence?

[hidden dome]

both

same spell

tooltip says "rooted and silenced"

[jolly sierra]

root is massive entangling roots and silence is solar beam

[hidden dome]

lasts 2 seconds

also wasn't a boomy

[jolly sierra]

dunno then

[jolly sierra]

HA THEY DIDN'T DCED ME YET

my acc should have expired 30 mins ago

[hidden dome]

To be honest, I already stopped playing outlaw and switched to alts. But this 2+ weeks drought of PvP nerfs makes me want to stop playing completely.

If there ever was a season with a worse start then I didn't play it.

[jolly sierra]

well

the tuning waves at last season were abnormal

the feedback was higher than in other seasons

i suppose the lack of tuning is to check? dunno

[hidden dome]

I agree and I don't request weekly balancing nerfs

but we are going into the third week without changes soon

[harsh steppe]

i'm going to try really hard to stop whining and just keep trying to get better

[hidden dome]

Man, there are 11 outlaws in EU above 1.8 in shuffle

meanwhile there are 817 destro locks

[jolly sierra]

im sure we will have tuning soon

[hidden dome]

I shouldn't have to play at 2.6 skill level to get 1.8 rating in shuffle

[jolly sierra]

if is not in this reset

maybe for friday

how high are u in rating rn?

[hidden dome]

I quit playing solo shuffle around 1.5

[jolly sierra]

i see

[hidden dome]

and have only been playing my holy priest with friends since then

[harsh steppe]

what rating are you mage

[jolly sierra]

u were in EU, right?

[hidden dome]

Yes

[jolly sierra]

1k7 with my ret

1k5 with my rogue

1580 w my warr

[harsh steppe]

oh ok nice

[hidden dome]

nice

[jolly sierra]

1582 w my monk

hyper go assa

give a try cmon

[languid ravine]

takes a special kind of class balance if your lifelong main is the lowest rated :^D

[jolly sierra]

u know what

come ptr

w me

i'll show u how to do it fast

[hidden dome]

Yep, I'm higher rated with holy, who is also way off meta

than with outlaw

[jolly sierra]

my beloved

poor rogue

[hidden dome]

and I have 10 times the games on outlaw than I have on holy

[jolly sierra]

@harsh steppe was for you

im waiting you in benedictus server

[harsh steppe]

idk

[jolly sierra]

is surprising how you are getting better w alt than with main

F

this season is weird af

[hidden dome]

Well, let's hope for Friday, maybe they have something good for us in store

[jolly sierra]

[hidden dome]

If not then I will actually just switch to Arms

[languid ravine]

yep, that's 20 dollars thank you

[jolly sierra]

i'm installing PTR 10.1.5

[hidden dome]

[alpine tinsel]

Yo there was a post in the wowpvp subreddit awhile ago where someone made an addon that put omni bar onto the enemy gladius frames. Anyone know the name of it?

[jolly sierra]

dunno

[nova viper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXllkzwyON4

"ROUGES TO OOOP TOO MUCH STUNS"

[jolly sierra]

@harsh steppe razageth PTR server go

i'll teach u a quick EZ thro rotation and i wanna u making the same in 2 min

[jolly sierra]

again? lol

[nova viper]

Yea

and those all people

who say "rogue is cancer"

xD

[jolly sierra]

the funniest thing is

they asked for cc nerfs cuz game was harder

now they are whining cuz games are unhealable

thank you blizzard for hearing low CR players again

[topaz cedar]

that makes sense though

if you consider how inflated SS is / was in s1, r1 was like 3.5 right? right now r1 is like 2.5

iirc

[jolly sierra]

i played against r1 at 1k8 mmr at week 1

was hell

the whiny mage said this

[hidden dome]

Maybe, it is just way harder to get 1.8 this season with outlaw than any other season I played. Solo Shuffle or 3v3 or 2v2, doesn't matter

To be fair, most seasons I wait until later to start grinding.

But in SL Season 2 I pushed 1.8 at the first day of week 2. Every game was against Gladiators and some rank 1 players even

And that still felt easier than pushing 1.6 now

Outlaw right now feels like being 30gs lower than everyone else tbh

[jolly sierra]

SL season 2 was inflated af

[hidden dome]

Yes, but not week 2

[jolly sierra]

imo the most inflated season of recent times

the problem

according to this guy

is than MMR is hard capped

so there are not progress if u don't have xp

so u see elite players at 1k8-2k2

i won't push yet, just cap chests

the enchant is beautiful af

[hidden dome]

It really is

[jolly sierra]

but not worth the tryharding yet

[hidden dome]

I mean I also just have to be realistic. There are 6 outlaws on EU with 1.8 at the moment. I may be experienced and somewhat decent with outlaw

but I'm 100% not in the top 10 of all EU outlaw players

[jolly sierra]

well u have raz here

[hidden dome]

Especially if I play with friends who are similar skill level to me

[jolly sierra]

lol

[hidden dome]

But if that with the hard cap MMR is true, I don't know if it is, why would they do that?

It would just kill interest in 2s and 3s even more

I understand they don't want another S2 of SL where everyone got Glad for free due to inflation

[jolly sierra]

dunno what they are doing

but really feel like they changed the noodle coding for mmr calculating

blizz hadn't said anything yet

so is still a mystery if this guy is wrong or right

[hidden dome]

It's also a little too early to tell I think

[jolly sierra]

well

can you at least cap chests?

think will be useful for you later

[hidden dome]

Yeah, but I'm struggling between taking M+ loot and PvP loot from the vault

[jolly sierra]

ah i see

tbh i just capped 2 pvp slots and 1 from lfr

very easy and fast

imo

[hidden dome]

lfr?

Do you mean PvE slots?

[surreal barn]

I mean I still got 60 rating for going 6/6 I’m pretty sure it wasn’t different last season? It does feel a bit sweaty at low ratings tho 😂

[nova viper]

I got 20 for 4/2 with 52% winratio overall

xD

[obsidian moon]

Ofc it was different

Cus mmr was inflated

[wary spire]

DEAR GOD THAT WAS THE SWEATIEST MATCH IN MY LIFE

I don't even know how i went 3 3

[queen geyser]

And you didn't even get any rating lol

[wary spire]

I had speed of ~10% most of that match.

I'm glad to walk away from it at all let alone with points. ~_~

[jolly sierra]

yeah just in case i get a socket

[jolly sierra]

i got 10 cr with my ret after winning 4-2

eda are u up for a few more mins? i need to practise sub

[surreal barn]

This was before announced inflation

[wary spire]

Double sub?

[jolly sierra]

ye

in skirmishes

[wary spire]

Sure, let's go for like 20 mins

[jolly sierra]

cheated a little for 2set

sure, wait me

[grave pier]

u only need 1.6k rating for free tier set right?

[jolly sierra]

y

[odd mortar]

yeah been trying to get that tier piece forever it feels like lol

[wary spire]

@jolly sierra wer u at

[spring bough]

sub with a destro and disc in 3s feels unfair lol

[jolly sierra]

when i told u that u just came out from shower

lol

are u still there? im logging rn

[wary spire]

I have become sleep the destroyer of bed!

[jolly sierra]

ohhh gotcha

np, i will set up the bar

[wary spire]

Let's try a bit earlier tomorrow 😄

[jolly sierra]

sure

[wary spire]

That sounded like my work e-mails

DON'T TAKE SHOWERS PUMP PUMP PUMP REEE

[jolly sierra]

send an auto response

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[topaz cedar]

do we know what participation is like?

after s1 i wouldnt blame the pvp playerbase for shrinking

[jolly sierra]

dunno yet

maybe u can find the amount in drustvar

US last 72 hours

EU last 72 hours

[alpine tinsel]

My MMR is SS is weird. I've played four total lobbies, all at 1.7k MMR, and I'm getting rating for getting 3 or less wins each lobby and my MMR isnt dropping lol

[surreal barn]

Weird

[jolly sierra]

are u using cold blood only with sectech, right?

[last jasper]

nah, he's point was blizz nerfed cc, cuz its not fun. but ppl continue to sit in cc half a match cuz of instant cc, which was a problem to begin with

[light estuary]

any strats vs hunter/healer in 2s? playin sub/disc

[jolly sierra]

go hunter cc healer tho

they lack self healing

[light estuary]

can we evasion their disarm?

[jolly sierra]

seems like

im checking spells flags, its physical and doesn't says anything about dodging or parrying

[last jasper]

u can cloak it if u sure u gonna secure the kill

[jolly sierra]

well, u can do that instead

[light estuary]

ohh with that one talent right?

[surreal barn]

Yeah it works

[jolly sierra]

im using 2set

and hits like 340k in 2m in 2 targets

xdddd

think 4set its the big deal

[vocal surge]

Had the worst

Solo Shuffle match lol

No moving allowed

Dev Evoker, Frost DK, and Frost Mage

[jolly sierra]

😄

rip manuv

[topaz cedar]

gets rid of deathmark too lol

[jolly sierra]

at this step i'll ignore deathmark existence

[odd mortar]

my assa rogue is 70 now

Im not seeing any crafted items on the high CR assa rogues, using drustvar.com ...

[jolly sierra]

will u go blind?

[odd mortar]

EH?

[jolly sierra]

taking talens and stuff just by the eyesight?

[potent pivot]

use the embellishments section from the pvp drop down menu

or check murlok.io, it's a little easier to see what's most common among the top rated players

[odd mortar]

❤️ long time

surprised not see the slime boots on top

[potent pivot]

like if you hit 2400 on drustvar it doesn't show anything

but on murlok it just pulls from the top 50 rated of w/e spec

a lot of ppl might be using crafted items they use for sub

never know

[wintry slate]

Yesterday Whaaz mentioned on his stream a secret technique weak aura that’s near mandatory, anyone knows what’s he talking about ? And have a link please

[odd mortar]

hmm looking at this

IDK why I made a second rogue for assa

not much difference, i could of swore they wanted haste etc

[odd mortar]

not sure what the WA would tell ya

[wintry slate]

Yeah me too, whaaz said something like I can tell when a rogue has it or not

[jolly sierra]

the problem with cum boots is they doesn't do too much dmg unless are toxic patched

and feels for assa at least u need to use sporecloak

[odd mortar]

pretty sure u can track that with omnibar

so assa rogues are mastery as well

F in the chat

[jolly sierra]

yeah

too much dps from dots

[potent pivot]

you kinda want a mix of mastery and a little haste but ye

[potent pivot]

there was something like that for covenants and talents in SL but i haven't seen one for DF

[odd mortar]

i may just go sub again, plan on playing surv, disc, rogue though

and use my shards and conq diff idk

[harsh steppe]

ahaha love it

[jolly sierra]

too late

maybe tomorrow

zzzzzzzzzzz

[harsh steppe]

aha sleep good

[finite crescent]

Morning/afternoon (depending where you are from) it would be great to gather your opinions!

I’ve been a rogue main since forever and last season managed rank 1 in solo shuffle. I’m looking to play an alt (currently alt - Druid and mage) and so far hunter and DH look rather interesting.

What classes do you alt?
Would you recommend DH or Hunter?

Thanks in advance!

[potent pivot]

i mostly alt other melee, like warrior/survival etc

but you should play whatever you find fun, or whatever you want mogs on etc

[lucid citrus]

is the best tier pieces for 2 set chest and legs?

[trim arch]

I like surv hunt cause most unique class with cool mogs

[harsh steppe]

i mained MM hunter for 2 years before rogue, hell of a lot of fun & pretty easy to understand

[queen geyser]

Ngl this is handy

Now I just pick one instead of faffing about with talents before every game

[wintry dew]

Oh if you have that many outlaw talents, do your other specs have room for any build besides the recommended? I keep falling short on builds space

[copper maple]

My most played alt is Disc priest.
Besides that warrior and ww monk looked quite fun.

[queen geyser]

I'm an outlaw 1trick, and I have no rated numbers to back it up because I'm a bg fiend. I just like goofing around with the spec

I'd love to get into 2s or 3s, but The Boys are a little jaded right now with class balance decisions

(I do RBGs tho)

[halcyon timber]

Rogue news this week mehbeh

Hpal / locks/ mages / augmenter seem pretty finalized

[minor cape]

rework?

[halcyon timber]

No idea man, who friggin knows other than they said rogue news in 10.1.5

[minor cape]

aight lets see

remove sec tech buff other stuff

blizz pleaze

[halcyon timber]

Bingo make backstab matter and eviscerate

[minor cape]

eviscerate does matter except you have to go down that stupid brew path

[halcyon timber]

Every other eviscerate + dm x 4 + other stuff xD

[minor cape]

i strongly believe all the balance problems that sub has are because everything has to be balanced against a stupid ability that does 400k damage

[halcyon timber]

Doubt they like tuning it either

I sure as frick wouldn’t

No idea who greenlit that crud

[minor cape]

but then again have to consider pve where sec tech is important as hell

[halcyon timber]

We shouldn’t aoe , leave that for pajama classes

[minor cape]

100% they wanted to make it an aoe ability for pve but then somehow didnt consider the cold blood stuff

[halcyon timber]

Single target hatred all day

Kill the big bad goon and move to the next in a pack

[minor cape]

isnt that how its played in raids?

single target

im not sure

i know in m+ its shuriken storm black powder

[halcyon timber]

Dunno just pve kids have a hard on for dumb stuff

In keystones i ignore that stuff and just kill the biggest threat, idc about looking cool for twitch chat

Cdr from it needs to go regardless and it nerfed to hell in PvP anyway. It’s the primary reason everyone and their grandmom call for us to get nerfed

[minor cape]

nah cdr doesnt even matter on sec tech

cause its capped by cold blood

[vocal surge]

PvE? You mean Autoplay?

[halcyon timber]

Makes sense to rogues , not non rogues

[minor cape]

the number farmers

[halcyon timber]

XD

[vocal surge]

XD

[halcyon timber]

Freakin a

That’s gold

[vocal surge]

I still cant fathom some fights people screw up

With addons

[queen geyser]

This fucking spec is going to give me a heart attack lmao

Had to work for that 3-3

[vocal surge]

Lol

[minor cape]

the dh?

[vocal surge]

He's playing Outlaw in SS

[minor cape]

ahh you are law okay

[queen geyser]

I love it

But goddammit it makes my heart race

[minor cape]

dh right now is easy for sub tho

[vocal surge]

The best way to play Outlaw rn is to be a stun bot

[halcyon timber]

Rogue life aint easy. Ss teams do dumb crap consistently

[queen geyser]

^^^%^

[vocal surge]

which sucks for us because Cheap Shot isn't on Adrenaline Rush's list of GCD reduction

[halcyon timber]

Make you have to save peoples butt all the time

[minor cape]

well man, that dh is prolly just deflated and was going 6-0 and you won against him and didnt get 2-4

[queen geyser]

Oh I'm well-aware

Saved a couple rounds by just focusing on ccing

[minor cape]

so basically you did the best you could

[halcyon timber]

Unnecessary cc

[queen geyser]

This sub rogue though

Just gouging the kill target

Over and over

why

[halcyon timber]

XD

[queen geyser]

.5 second gouge

Way to go champ

[minor cape]

dude thats how you lose as sub xd

gouging incorrect target

[vocal surge]

[halcyon timber]

Hekkek

[queen geyser]

It's almost 5 AM

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i need to crash man

[queen geyser]

I need a drink and then I need to go to bed

[minor cape]

gouge is cracked as hell especially with shadowdust imagine wasting it

[vocal surge]

Im at work sadly for another 4hrs 15mins lol

[halcyon timber]

That sux man

Yeh i think dust is on its way out

[queen geyser]

Tempted to do what PShero did

[vocal surge]

What he do?

[queen geyser]

Make a macro that just says like eight times in chat "LET ME CC JUST DO DAMAGE"

[minor cape]

dude my country took a 3rd place in a hockey tournament and they gave us a nationwide holiday today because of this 🫡

[vocal surge]

Also Sporecloak goated w. 250k Absorb every 2mins

[queen geyser]

I KNOW

I've got it

It's great

[vocal surge]

Im so close to getting it

[queen geyser]

Well it's not 250k

It's like 70k

But it's still clutch as fuck

Got it and the boots

[halcyon timber]

250 +|- dampening yeah?

[minor cape]

its not as good on law tho?

[vocal surge]

Is it reduced in PvP via multiplier?

[minor cape]

its 0.4

[queen geyser]

He played Outlaw

[minor cape]

multiplier

[vocal surge]

Ah

Wowhead doesn't mention the multiplier

[queen geyser]

I say played because he's doing HC Classic right now (fair enough)

[minor cape]

it was in some patch notes

[halcyon timber]

Def could see some merging of talents for us this week

[minor cape]

do you even need it tho

[halcyon timber]

Maybe shifting of nodes

[minor cape]

as assa sure

but outlaw

🤔

[vocal surge]

We dont have double Shadowstep

like Sin or Sub

[queen geyser]

Still, it's not exactly a stat loss on sub or law because it's vers/mast and goes to 450 ilvl if you put the pvp trophy on it

[vocal surge]

or the double Vanishes of Sub

[queen geyser]

So the effect is nice to have

[minor cape]

your vanish is better than sins

[halcyon timber]

2 vanish was a compromise to giving prep back

It looks like

[vocal surge]

At least Sin can apply slows on demand with their poison knife

and walk away

[halcyon timber]

Yeh

[queen geyser]

SPEAKING OF VANISH

That's on Outlaw cdr apparently

Didn't know that until like a few weeks ago

[minor cape]

wha

how

[halcyon timber]

Yeah combat always had the shorter vanish

[vocal surge]

Outlaw's grappling hook is only good vs melee

[halcyon timber]

Well w restless blades

[vocal surge]

so whenever yuor grappling, the casters just boop away

and place on you a slow

[queen geyser]

Shrimply overshoot your grappling hook

[halcyon timber]

Yeh new mage block talent will be a pain

[queen geyser]

Go as far as that bitch will take you

[vocal surge]

that makes feel like your playing the square root of warrior

[minor cape]

well same thing with shadowstep tho

[queen geyser]

Make them blink into your team

[vocal surge]

Shadowstep is less predictable than Grappling Hook

[minor cape]

true

[vocal surge]

Grapple Hook, they see you rolling, they blink away

[queen geyser]

The boon of grappling hook is that you can go anywhere

[vocal surge]

also Grappling Hook can be interrupted

[halcyon timber]

XD

[minor cape]

i dont aggree with it being good vs melee only thk

[queen geyser]

If you need to go behind a pillar, if you need to retreat in a pinch

It's grand

[minor cape]

it can be used to los or to chase

[queen geyser]

^^^

[vocal surge]

if you get stunned as you toss the Hook, you dont get to move

[minor cape]

that sucks

[vocal surge]

Yeah

[queen geyser]

Also, what I've been doing is running DFA

And when I grappling hook

I DFA

So even if they shoop away, I chase them

[vocal surge]

Outlaw rarely has a chance to chase with the current meta

Your more sticking to a pillar struggling to survive

Than going out chasing people

Even with 20% DR up for a while

[minor cape]

outlaw rework lets goooo

[queen geyser]

Outlaw doesn't need a rework

[minor cape]

[vocal surge]

I'd want a rework

[minor cape]

just buffa

[queen geyser]

Sure it would be nice to have some things changed

[vocal surge]

so I dont have to use a weakaura

[queen geyser]

Like nixing SnD and just having to be passive because why tf do you have to press that in 2023

[vocal surge]

to track my RTB buffs, SND, Major CDs, Defensives, and CCs

[queen geyser]

But we need buffa yes

Not even big buffa

[minor cape]

you have to press snd

[queen geyser]

Just smol buffa

[minor cape]

on sub

and assa maybe too

sometimes

[queen geyser]

Assa has Cut to the Chase right?

[minor cape]

but i aggree snd needs to be killed

[vocal surge]

Outlaw 100% requires RTB pre-opener, then SND to start doing damage and regaining energy

[minor cape]

[queen geyser]

And Outlaw has Grand Melee but it's RNG (lol) and it's getting changed in 10.1.5 (lol)

[queen geyser]

Aye

[vocal surge]

Which massively kills your DPS

[minor cape]

also i hate when you want to refresh snd cause its like 3s left but its a grand melee snd

😵‍💫

[vocal surge]

Whats the 10.1.5 Change to Grand Melee?

[queen geyser]

Ngl

If you

Absolutely despise pressing SnD as Outlawe

I got you

CTO bushlaw

Get Grand Melee

Get a huge SnD

Never have to push it once you get going

Kinda gimmicky compared to this though because sometimes you get fucked on CTO RNG

[vocal surge]

I was honestly contemplating on using Ghostly Strike in PvP

for the extra damage

[queen geyser]

It's not bad

The way I see it, Outlaw is on the cusp on doing real threatening damage

Anything that pushes you over that threshold is huge

Ghostly Strike, Dark Archangel, Kotmogu orbs, doesn't matter

[minor cape]

honestly the worst thing as outlaw

isnt even snd

[queen geyser]

Dagger in the Dark is alright but... you're not going to be in stealth very often

[minor cape]

but just how your damage is super low for the difficulty you are dealing with

😢

[vocal surge]

A lot of people were talking about that in the forums

[queen geyser]

Because we're balanced around our CC and utility

[vocal surge]

You have to maintain so many things

to get that DPS going

[queen geyser]

One of them was probably me, I'm the same Bandit panda rogue from the forums

[vocal surge]

then you now have to deal with a rotation that has you reacting constantly to the rotation within 0.5s intervals

During AR

and 1s without AR

[minor cape]

subtelty legit parses more damage on single target in a sustained damage scenario which is kind of bullshit

[queen geyser]

But I've been talking with other people than just rogues and I'm really starting to see the picture

[vocal surge]

All while having to pay attention to everything around you

[queen geyser]

You can have CDR, you can have control, but you can't have good damage

[vocal surge]

Which is extremely hard to do in a PvP situation

[queen geyser]

You can have alright damage, but not good damage

[vocal surge]

where 1 moment your alright

the next second, craps hitting the fan

[queen geyser]

But it's so fucking satisfying when you pull it off gaw damn

[minor cape]

you know a rogue spec is bad when even people who dont plqy it dont complain about it

however there are a lot of high rated outlaws now like raz who make it work i just dont know how

[queen geyser]

They open their third eye

And I'm working on opening mine

I'm going to grab a drink, good night lads

[vocal surge]

gn lad

[wintry dew]

Nighty

[minor cape]

gn

[vocal surge]

[minor cape]

he will be dreaming about doing a 200k dispatch

[vocal surge]

XD

[minor cape]

[queen geyser]

tru

[vocal surge]

Btw, my main gauche is starting to be at the top of my DPS charts

I wonder how long is it going to take for Blizzard to balance Outlaw Rogue

for PvP or rework rogue in general lol

Also

gib Outlaw Burst of Speed

Spend Energy to remove snares and slows

Legit on demand

Slow and root removal w. speed on top

[tiny ore]

hello guys, I have been on a break from wow for month or two, I want to get back into pvp and Im interested what is go to spec for rogue now, did sub over take assa, or are they still similar?

and how does rogue stand in pvp meta atm?

[wintry dew]

If you know how sub works and are familiar with it, pick sub

Assa rn is... Not the best but you can still climb

Can't speak for outlaw

[vocal surge]

Dont play Outlaw

Its not worth the effort

[topaz cedar]

I feel like burst of speed would be more broken now than it was in WoD even

[harsh kiln]

outlaw is like bashing yourhead against a wall, whilst getting pelted by rocks on the surface of the sun

[topaz cedar]

mobility creep is already insane, add burst of speed and melee without heavy cc will never be able to connect

i feel like maneuv could've kept the initial freedom effect though

seems like a weird change

[harsh kiln]

with the 30% root reduction talent maybe they felt it was redundant

[vocal surge]

It wouldnt be broken for Outlaw

itd make em a lot more healthy

[topaz cedar]

I mean it'd be broken on anything

BoS is just bad design, i only really miss it for legacy raids

[vocal surge]

It does cost energy to cast Burst of Speed thou

the most memorable thing I recall using it for was to spam Shuriken Toss back when it was introduced

when Shuriken Toss used to hit for 40k a cast w. 20k ranged auto attacks that lasted for a moment

[topaz cedar]

Barely

You regen'd more than it costed to use while it was up, so you could have it up 24/7 and not even have to fully reserve a portion of your energy for it

I do miss baseline dfa though, was always fun if a little extra to just smoke someones dfa so they fall back down to earth like a rock

[queen geyser]

https://youtu.be/mXCx50yaseA Artistic depiction of playing Outlaw in PvP

[vocal surge]

thats my current demeanor playing WoW

people ask me why I play Outlaw and not other classes or spec

[queen geyser]

It sings to the soul

[minor cape]

honestly not enjoying shuffle lately

about 4 latest games i played were either a 6-0 dude or 0-6 dude

in a lobby

🥹

[acoustic junco]

losing maneuverability sprint break was such a dumb change.

[nova viper]

So

Outlaw is fun

and braindead

[sharp sierra]

Everytime i hear someone say outlaw pvp all i can think to myself is ew, no shade of course everyone should be able to play what they like and have fun with. 😂

[hidden dome]

Just lost against an Ench doing over 100k dps in burst

[hidden dome]

Outlaw is kinda braindead

but compared to some other specs that are pumping this season

it might as well be rocket science

[nova viper]

true

[hidden dome]

But I really enjoy the flow of outlaw

especially now with Shadow Dance

I just wish we still had Maneuvability. The loss of it makes certain match-ups a physical pain

[sharp sierra]

Yet to run into one yet surprisingly with all i’m hearing.

But yeah supposedly you go from 100% to 0 before you even realized it happened 😂

Maybe i should try my shammy now. Pretty sure he has enough honor to honor gear him fully. I always played him as resto though.

[hidden dome]

Yeah, if there aren't any balancing changes next Friday then I will either play my shaman or my warrior

Both seem fun atm

[sharp sierra]

Yeah rogue/lock/war have always been my “main” since vanilla. Have lock and rogue geared, warrior haven’t played yet this season. Rogue overall has always been my favorite class/play style so it kinda sucks that it’s my worst out of the 3

I’m definitely 100% better on my warrior and lock 😞

I couldn’t even break 1.4 on my rogue when assa was king, which is sad. But to my defense i didn’t like the playstyle. Said it months ago assa just didn’t feel like a rogue to me just applying dots.

Here

[hidden dome]

Well true, assa feels more like feral with spamming dots. But I think it fits thematically

[copper maple]

Sub is too tryhard for me these days. Maybe I'm just aging though

Assa feels chill

[sharp sierra]

Sub was always my favorite spec, when i was actually good back in the day it was amazing. So now that it’s back i’ll see if i can break 1.4 and if i can’t i think it’s time to realize rogue just isn’t for me.

[stable urchin]

What is the best melee for 2 right now?

[sharp sierra]

Probably depends who the partner is.

[stable urchin]

Not best but like braindead zug zug easy and strong

[sharp sierra]

But war probably always a good melee choice regardless

[hidden dome]

To be fair, rogue is a lot about setting up. That makes it very different from the other zug zug classes

With the cc nerfs we have gotten closer to zugzugness

but still

[copper maple]

You can still cc effectively on rogue

Assuming you're sub

[sharp sierra]

When i cheap and kidney i feel like my opponent is stunned for 3 seconds between the 2. When i am on another class and get cheap shot kidney i feel like i can take a piss and make a meal before it ends.

[hidden dome]

True, even with outlaw.

you just need to kidney before your second blind

to follow up sap

usually gets the job done if played correctly

[copper maple]

Yeah assa got the short end of the stick since you don't run dance

[sharp sierra]

I can’t wait for the affl overhaul it was always my favorite lock spec

Affl was so fun in bc or wotlk, i forget which.

[hidden dome]

I can't wait for the affliction overhaul since playing against them is stressful. If you leave them unattended for a little to long suddenly everyone dies at once

I don't think affliction is op or anything

just very stressful

[maiden quest]

https://youtu.be/QcM-vQd2c4I?t=450

Rank 1 mage obliterates 1.5k players for golds

[copper maple]

Facing affli was stressful for me too when playing disc

[sharp sierra]

Yeah Affl is wild if you let them ramp up. 20 seconds into the match you don’t even know they have a 3rd by the minute mark everyone is 25% health, healer blowing cds.

[copper maple]

I think something happened in bfa when dispeling UA did massive amounts of damage

And could even crit

[hidden dome]

Mass dispell into instant death. A classic

[copper maple]

It's not as wild now

[sharp sierra]

Yeah that was in wotlk too. But i didn’t play anything after wotlk until DF. So not sure if it became like super OP

[copper maple]

Viable strat for holy priest to pop the spirit healer thing first

[sharp sierra]

Think i quit like a week into MoP and just came back in January. Didn’t play a computer game the whole time just console. So it was pretty bad to hop on rogue first when i couldn’t even position my fingers right or press the right buttons.

Yeah i haven’t played my priest either yet this update. When i just want to chill and not like stress i just hop on the priest. Healers are so much easier, sorry if that offends anyone. Lol

Casters in general hinestly are just easier to play. Besides maybe a warrior. Could just be that i suck on rogue 🤷🏻‍♂️

[hidden dome]

I just tried the new 2 set in 2s

1.2% of my damage

lol

100% worthless

[copper maple]

I used to think that pvping as a healer is the pinnacle of skill. Took some time to get into it as a primarily melee player, but I changed my opinion 😀

[copper maple]

Being 0.4% more damage than touch of the grave, oof

[hidden dome]

I just had an exploiting shaman heal in my game

lost 0 mana no matter what he did

even if he spam healed

mana didn't drop below 100%

Not sure how

Also somehow always placed 2 earth wall totems at the same time, but that could be a pvp talent, not sure. I don't play shaman

Very bizarre

[vocal surge]

I baited a Mass Dispel with a Lay on Hands

[odd mortar]

One time I was a healer

And the warrior kept los

So I let him die, the end

[hidden dome]

Man I really sure love that DHs are just immortal with their flying shit in 2s

very nice

I wouldn't mind if it had 2 or 3 min cd

[odd mortar]

Played rogue/Druid into rogue/DH last night

He immediately went into the sky

Rogue duels me, I thought he died

I clipped it, and feel dumb

[hidden dome]

Man I just really hate playing against that talent

I was happy when DHs stopped using it in SL

And now every DH is running it again

[odd mortar]

Yeah it sucks, at least in 3s or SS you usually have a caster or can LOS

I’ve killed them on lock when they do it

Dump rifts, and just hard cast ‘em

[hidden dome]

I wonder if you can cyclone them when going up and kill them like that

If you cyclone a holy priest at the perfect moment while they go up

they take massive fall damage for 80% of their hp

[odd mortar]

LOL

did not know that

[hidden dome]

The window is tiny. Impossible to actually plan

but I died a few times as holy like that

I even have levitate keybound just for that interaction

[odd mortar]

lol

I run disc, never played holy but that’s funny

[alpine tinsel]

What addon to people use to see the combat log from a game laid out better? Like to see when I used a defensive or why half my health just disappeared for no reason

[hidden dome]

I just use the details death log. It isn't very good though

I wish we had a combat log like in dota 2 where you can see every buff and debuff tick for tick

[alpine tinsel]

ah ok I need to figure out where that is in details lol

[hidden dome]

To be honest, after this season I would be ok if they just made all warlock specs unplayable for the rest of Dragonflight

I have seen enough locks for 3 seasons at this point

[odd mortar]

I hate boomkin

But I feel that as well

[pale storm]

I just wish precog wasn’t in the game

[hidden dome]

I just love having to spend 20-30k gold per alt

[sharp sierra]

I love my lock so i have to go with never seeing another boomy again.

[hidden dome]

to buy precog

I agree boomys are also terrible

but at least boomkins are very rare in 2s

while locks dominate every format

also, without having played boomkin, I feel like they take more skill to play right

compared to destro lock

But I will be fine if they just nerf destro a little

As long as the completely rework and gut demo lock

which is the single worse spec in this game to play against as an outlaw

[simple crest]

well this morning has been amazing for my rogue. got +200 rating in SS, got the Wpvp cache when it spawned, and got the flavor packet to sell.

[alpine tinsel]

Noice

[alpine tinsel]

It def shouldnt be baseline, should be some sort of trade off for it. It really just feels extra bad when its wizard cleaves

Esp when playing double melee

[spring bough]

more power to you. been from 1812 down to 1650 back up and back down all weekend. todays the day I get all that back and keep pushing. been hitting rotten build and finally got a good rotation down with the vanish CDR and just racking up the KBs lol

[simple crest]

In my games today, my won rounds and kbs were equal lol

[spring bough]

i just abused my CDR with vanish and smoked a boomy with a nice 150k evis love to see things like that

[surreal barn]

Be careful lol, that slope under 1600 is not fun

[spring bough]

like 3-4 back to back 7pt evis this morning on the same boomy and it was so much fun lol

hit him with a 175k tech ontop of a 60k shadowstrike that double hit the round before too lmao

[surreal barn]

The double gloom after a dance ends feels pretty good too

[odd mortar]

im finally starting to push through 1300s in ss lol, being I havent played rogue since TBC

it feels good man, but that could be taken away next pop 😦

I am ~1450-1500 in 2s/3s just need teammates to push higher i think

I want 2 piece 😦

[jolly sierra]

cheat a little and go lfr

[odd mortar]

Eh I guess I said something bad because i cant until the 3rd

Can only play with btag friends

at this point if I get the token today, i may just wait for vault either way

[glacial kayak]

i've been 1800 in SS as warrior & can climb on it to 1600 easy. Since starting rogue i feel like im the worst player in the game and had a round 0/6. I know rogues are much more complex than warrior but its been pretty demoralizing. Feels like a 180 in terms of gameplay - anyone have advice on how to adjust to rogue playstyle?

[jolly sierra]

just go lfr, get the gloves and u will have at least one to think what to do at reset

[alpine tinsel]

@glacial kayak what spec are you playing

[glacial kayak]

Sub

[alpine tinsel]

You're right about the gameplay being the exact opposite of war. You need to be tracking a lot of things as Sub, and its really a hit and run kind of deal

Your ideal go is to cc the healer, stun lock/burst the kill target, and then reset/avoid taking damage until stun DRs and CDs are back

Sub is super strong right now if you know how to play it well, but its probably the most difficult spec to learn how to play well. The skill gap between bad/ok sub players and really good sub players is bigger than any other skill gap for other specs

[glacial kayak]

would assasin/combat be an easier switch from warrior until i get more of the feel for things? Everything you makes sense, just need lots of practice haha

[jolly sierra]

assa is easier and do decent damage, its ideal for starters

[loud plover]

Hey, I´m new here. Is there a place for open world pvp, with infos about playstyle, talents etc.? I´m not so into arena. Thanks for any advice

[grave pier]

does it matter

what level i buy it at?

[minor cape]

its just a crafting material?

with no effect right?

if so then ilvl will change but not pvp one

so for pvp doesnt matter

[jolly sierra]

does if affect the mastery amount by rank or something?

else it will just affect rank level, for the ilvl

nothing else

[waxen meteor]

Think someone said it doesn’t last time

[shut solstice]

Outlaw would be very Zug Zug, but you’ll instantly get depressed at the lack of damage.

[queen geyser]

Job done, conq capped, vault open

Felt good

[odd mortar]

i literally dont understand how people think this game is good

absolute trash

[jolly sierra]

we only want rewards u know

for later, when game turns good lol

[odd mortar]

absolute dogshit game

[jolly sierra]

yeah

lets unsub

[odd mortar]

Already done

delete the fucking characters too

[jolly sierra]

lol

[potent pivot]

[fading blade]

Lmfao

[spring bough]

might have to become a key master this solo just draining lmao

[grand haven]

can't believe there's still no tuning

they really gave up huh

[jolly sierra]

maybe for that reason they fkn dropped the CR requirements

cuz they knew we would suffer a lot this season

[potent pivot]

think they're focusing more on the reworks atm i'd assume

[fading blade]

I really hope it’s a good and successful rework

[potent pivot]

same

there's a lot of cool stuff they could do

[fading blade]

Sub feels insane, but the other 2 specs are literal dog shit

[potent pivot]

just depends a lot on how much resources they're putting forth into doing so

[fading blade]

Probably half a person max

We saw how long it took just to get rogue numbers up and running

[potent pivot]

i'm more disappointed with the approach they're taking on CC and tier set bonuses atm

making both less impactful feels bad imo

but

[fading blade]

Wouldn’t we just get dumpster fucked if other classes had their un nerfed tier

[potent pivot]

then that should be the issue that is addressed

instead of just pre-nerfing all tier in pvp by 50% lol

kinda ruins most people's power spike

[fading blade]

I think they should either fully remove tier effects(from Pvp) or create a Pvp tier(either class based or overall based)

[potent pivot]

at this point asking for pvp tier sets is a lot i think

[fading blade]

The CC changes are god awful I’ll agree with that. They won’t change a DR timer but will let the warrior 2 sec stun a target ruining the go for another 30 sec

[potent pivot]

seems they're trying to keep seasons a lot shorter than in previous expansions

so adding a whole set to every spec in the game is a lot to ask

[grand haven]

I mean we had pvp tier 15 years ago

[potent pivot]

yeah

15 years ago

[jolly sierra]

is not too hard to ask for pvp tiers

and get them

[potent pivot]

this game was incredibly different back then

[jolly sierra]

they were pretty standard and simplistic

and the bonuses were the same every xp

[potent pivot]

afaik the item design team makes tier sets and trinkets and other cantrip items (items with effects on them)

[jolly sierra]

they have the resources, they have the time they have the team

[potent pivot]

asking for another ~30 tier sets is a lot

[fading blade]

Maybe half of that is correct

[potent pivot]

even if half of them are just +X% crit on X ability

it all has to be coded etc

[grand haven]

I think most of the team is working on the next expansion?

[jolly sierra]

meh

[potent pivot]

it's more than you'd expect

[jolly sierra]

then do it

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

we pay for that

[fading blade]

Honestly shut down classic servers and move that team back to retail

[jolly sierra]

they only hears low rated players with cc issues

[grand haven]

I don't think the 8 people on their classic team would make a lot of difference

[jolly sierra]

and now the same are whining for being unhealable

we called their bs in forums

just deaf ears

[grand haven]

smaller tuning patches every week/2 weeks would feel a lot better than what we have now

[jolly sierra]

now we are facing the consequences

[fading blade]

CC was never an issue, it’s just PVE Care Bears with m+ plater profiles wondering why a kidney shot isn’t being announced

[jolly sierra]

ofc was never the issue

we knew that was the wrong approaching since day 1 after nerf was announced

[fading blade]

And people say sub is broken. Just download the secret tech WA and you’ll be okay

[jolly sierra]

the smaller tunings are a very nice change from DF

[grand haven]

yeah but that was early s1

nowadays they let a spec like ret be OP for over a month

[jolly sierra]

ret is not op rn

xd

[grand haven]

no but it has been for a while

[jolly sierra]

enh is op rn

ahhh

were u in that week?

[fading blade]

Enh boomy any fuckin warlock spec

[jolly sierra]

ret took 3 days in full power

then nerfs were announced

then ppl outcried and nerfs were applied insta

[grand haven]

they went from S+++++++++ to S+++++++

[jolly sierra]

well but they had tunings

[fading blade]

I don’t find ret aids really because it’s easy to shut them down

[jolly sierra]

u cant expect tunings every 3 days

that tooks weeks to gather data

[fading blade]

But god forbid your caster kicks the lock same time you do

Forcing precog and it’s a sad time

While the spriest killing everything

[grand haven]

most annoying thing for me rn is boomie with their 1sec clone + precog

[fading blade]

Precog is a disaster

[jolly sierra]

for me is enh, one did me a 250k hit and later a 180 one

some even are using precog

fury warriors are an issue in 2s too

or destros when u got precog

[grand haven]

yeah precog needs to go

or get nerfed

at the very least remove the haste buff from it

[jolly sierra]

precog is awfully designed

sometimes u manage to interrupt but if ur partner do that at same time they get that bs anyways

[grand haven]

yep that's awful

and the "melee precog" they gave us is

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDDDD

they were stoned designing that

how tf u think is a good idea stacking after 3 slow drs to just hit 34k

[mystic shoal]

what's the best sub rogue build rn

currently have 2 set

also is there a point to run CB if no sec tec

[fading blade]

u can do rotten or flag and yes

[mystic shoal]

what's the difference between the two

[potent pivot]

yes you use it on evis if no sec tech

[fading blade]

CDR vs Big dam

[mystic shoal]

rotten being CDR is assume

where can I find the builds at

also which do you think is better for bgs vs arenas?

[fading blade]

idk about bgs prob the same thing

could check murlock io , check-pvp and such for the top rogue builds

theyre different styles

[harsh steppe]

i made a short vid on it i can dm you the link if you want @mystic shoal

[mystic shoal]

I'd love that

Tysm!

[harsh steppe]

np

all build links and stuff in desc

[jolly sierra]

@harsh steppe u up?

[vocal surge]

Btw

whats the mmr cap rn

[potent pivot]

working on updating #pvp-faq as well as rn, builds should all be updated in an hr or so

[jolly sierra]

emmmm

were like 2100?

[vocal surge]

Ok

gonna just farm my way to 2100

then afk till MMR rises

unless Great Vault needs filling

also poor healers lol

both went 3-3

[jolly sierra]

im just filling chests atm now lol

[vocal surge]

They were Crimson Glads too

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[vocal surge]

I went 6-0

[potent pivot]

isn't there already 2.4k

rn

[jolly sierra]

i swear, if my 2s partner its up tomorrow

im getting 1k6 w rog for a piece

but i won't use it till chest

[vocal surge]

But ye

the healers were like

"You're all horrible, no interrupts for the CCs"

[jolly sierra]

KEK

do u recall the asshole which was calling me BS in w my monk in my SS match and ended 0-6?

dude i swear

the most toxic rn are not the dps themselves

they are the healers

[harsh steppe]

yah what’s up

[jolly sierra]

u are going w me to ptr

for a quick lesson

copypaste ur details addon into ptr folder

[grand haven]

yeah in my 3 last shuff had one healer leave each time

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

im using my nerdy glasses for this

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

relatable too

[harsh steppe]

i wanna stick with sub 😦

sub for LIFE

[jolly sierra]

try this at least in skirmishes

u were doubting days ago

[harsh steppe]

ok wut

[jolly sierra]

will be quick i primise

cmon, install ptr and we are meeting there in a few moments

[harsh steppe]

ugh okkkk i'll install it 🙂

[jolly sierra]

thank you

[harsh steppe]

which?

[jolly sierra]

10.1.5

after that log in in Raszageth server

[harsh steppe]

okadokie

[jolly sierra]

try to copy ur main constantly until u get the faction switching and try going horde if u are ally

dont worry, will be just a moment

else ill try to open a multi faction party in finder

[mystic shoal]

sick! can't wait

[harsh steppe]

okay
i have slow internet but ill lyk when it's done & dm ya

[jolly sierra]

dont worry

this will literal a 15m average lesson

like a fkn tutorial

[harsh steppe]

sounds good im always up for more help lol

[potent pivot]

the Builds sections are done :d

just need to update all the gear profiles and enchants etc

will prolly be later this week

[harsh steppe]

looking good so far! keep it up!

[mystic shoal]

time 2 go read

good shit bro

[potent pivot]

i'm reformatting the sub talents rq so you may watch some things jump around

was able to squeeze in 1 more sub build

[mystic shoal]

no worriessss

ayyyyyyyy

[potent pivot]

don't have many options for outlaw still unfortunately

same state as s1

i kinda want to add a section for pvp talents now since we got a few of them changed/added

need to do the gear profiles first though

[grand haven]

[vocal surge]

[jolly bear]

can someone explain to me how a holy priest flew up in the air and then his warlock partner had 1.2m hp at one point

[vocal surge]

Holy Priest flying up is a pvp talent

[jolly sierra]

this guy will not appear for now it seems

well, at least i have everything prepared now

[potent pivot]

?

[jolly sierra]

nothing

[proper heath]

Sigh I wish assa set bonuses didn’t suck

Make assa great again

[grand haven]

could be worse, like the outlaw ones

bugged, low damage and breaks gouge

[jolly sierra]

the dmg is still better than destro lock 2set

im about to get 4set, but depends of luck now

[jolly sierra]

nice got the diablo bag with my 3 big chars

just miss one now

but is nice to have 36 slots in a bag

[unborn portal]

[sharp sierra]

shhhh

[jolly sierra]

wtf

im sure i've read something its gone

[sharp sierra]

I asked when to reup roll the bones

outdated info lol

[jolly sierra]

XD

[dusty slate]

Is sap cap still a thing or naw?

blind cap aint, right?

[jolly sierra]

blind sap is dead

[dusty slate]

im talking about capping nodes at GYs

sorry*

in BGs

[jolly sierra]

blind sap is dead

[sharp sierra]

wtf was blind sap

[dusty slate]

blind sap isnt even dead lol

[jolly sierra]

try capping a base by urself

in rbg

[dusty slate]

nice talk man

[jolly sierra]

im not kidding

try doing that

[dusty slate]

thats literally what I was asking, and you answered twice with 'blind -> sap' is dead

[jolly sierra]

yeah

it is

[dusty slate]

and blind sap isnt even dead

[jolly sierra]

explain how u do that now

[waxen meteor]

+1

[dusty slate]

just start with a cheap, or use a smoke bomb. I was just wonderin about bgs nowadays

[jolly sierra]

so u waste a big cd

[waxen meteor]

that's different from blind + sap

[jolly sierra]

get out from stealth

and u need to avoid be caught

to retry sapping

sounds like rocket science

[dusty slate]

sure man, make some plays

[jolly sierra]

show me a clip of u doing that effectively

[dusty slate]

sure man, make some plays

[jolly sierra]

k

[topaz cedar]

i mean it is for capping

if they trinket your sap you can't blind and cap

but idk i never really cared about bgs

[dusty slate]

Thanks. Yeah, I was just wondering if they changed anything on BGs.

I dont even pvp anymore, but I watch pika

[jolly sierra]

im curious how blizzard will talk about mmr this time

they are abnormally silent atm

[languid ravine]

whats the current go-to setup for assa?

used to run dtb bonerspike but havent played in 3 months or so

oh eww slice and dice is still in the game

[jolly sierra]

current one?

the standard build, but xsang is getting dropped for intended to kill

crimson tempest is not that popular as is said in this chat

ppl even is leaning more to use mutilate with nature damage now

something like this

[languid ravine]

yeah thats the one

[potent pivot]

you can also drop poison dam for intent

[jolly sierra]

yeah i was thinking in that

i'm still flawed with stuff

for example

i used the badge instead insignia

when is pointless, i have the burst every 2m, not 1m like in SL

[potent pivot]

yeh i mean some things are just personal preference

not everything can be 100% optimal in pvp situations, depends on how you prefer to play

[jolly sierra]

ofc

that is the reason u cant think about rotations in pvp

and u need to priorize instead

[nova viper]

Rogue needs nerf

To much dmg

[potent pivot]

i'd say rogue needs buffs

before it needs nerfs