pvp

[tawny kestrel]

im aware

[tribal badger]

just steady pressure while playing around ur CC and playing super defensively

I know u are im explaining for any new players reading this 😠

i assumed thats y u guys were talking about it

[tawny kestrel]

yte

ye*

u are right

[tribal badger]

law def a bit rough to pick up in pvp for a beginner

[tawny kestrel]

for sure

prob hardest out of the 3 when it comes to being useful

assa u can tell some1 core things to do

sub u just do goes dmg is easy to do

outlaw u actually have to try a bit

and u still do notihng

[cobalt pewter]

hello rogues

[potent pivot]

[surreal barn]

Your healer really does have to be with it in shuffle 😂

[tribal badger]

@cobalt pewter bro I watched u play fury into dh/mw and it was enough to make me not queue any of my melee specs in 2s this season

hows it goin

[surreal barn]

If not it’s gonna be a weird time

[tawny kestrel]

did a lobby yday and it was me and 3 other high players and we just had 1700 rated mws

everyone was tilted

very fun atm

[surreal barn]

Yeah I mean what can you do

[tawny kestrel]

dunno

[surreal barn]

It’s even worse the lower you go

[tawny kestrel]

the mmr system is just garbage rn

cant have this low mmr

[surreal barn]

If I go 6-0 and had to wait 30 mins for a queue you bet your ass the mmr better rocket

[tribal badger]

climbing as a healer feels gigacursed rn also

compared to last season

sitting at 3/3 every game at 1700 mmr

cause dps completely control the game so 1 good dps just goes 6 rounds

and what the healers do dont even matter

id love to run into some FW

[surreal barn]

I’ve been in the opposite where it’s mainly 6-0 healer

The worse healer is usually much worse

[tribal badger]

ya idk i havent had any healer shutouts against or as healer since last week

maybe just facing perfectly matched healers

feels like every match just has 1 80k dps dealer that overwhelms whatever healer they r against and completely invalidates any cc/damage they try to setup

[cobalt pewter]

i love when teams run until 90% dampening

[languid ravine]

this is the biggest problem in SS imo, the healers should not be allowed to be 50 IQ apart because it will turn the match into a waste of time for 6 people

[tribal badger]

man I got to face a FW for the first time this season when queuing my Devoker last night

200k DPS enjoyers

think he died 5/6 rounds and the 6th he popped every defensive and ran so I just tabbed to his hunter and killed it instead

[spring bough]

Got in a match last night with a 0 rating mistweaver and instantly the windwalker on my team whispers me to report him cause he’s been throwing matches for fun. Safe to say solo has been a blast these first couple weeks 😂

Then had a 1800 mage cast polymorph 0 times for 6 straight games so troll lol

[south river]

How do people even get better at pvp if queue times are 20+ mins and every game is so different :

:x*

[spring bough]

Just have to pray to Jesus for a good slate of ques right now 😂

[minor cape]

hey you still there?

we were recently talking with dayvaine about symbols cdr talent point in subs tree

how important do you think it is with shadowdust build?

cause y know taking it requires you to go the ungodly path of gloomblade and you dont get stilleto stacato and first dance

😩

and in shadowdust you'll probably vanish anyway

[spring bough]

I’m running that rotten build with gloom blade. I dropped symbols 5 sec talent and veiltouch for first dance and stiletto seems to be popping off more finishers haven’t noticed gloomblades dmg go down much

[surreal barn]

First dance not as important as energy regen selection I assume that’s what you mean

[minor cape]

no, i mean extra cp and cdr on blades

vs symbols cdr

how important is it to have that symbols and stun dr sync

[surreal barn]

With 2pc you take the energy energy regen path or you have too many combos it overlaps completely

But gloomblade slaps right now I’d take that

[minor cape]

what energy regen 🤔🤔

[surreal barn]

The first dance is one of two in that selection, take the energy one

[minor cape]

ayo what i didnt even know there was another option

but no im not talking about this thing

[surreal barn]

So do you use first dance for a quick kidney from zero cp or what

[minor cape]

i do too

mostly from one tho

cause first you cheap

or gouge

or whatever

thats why i dont see how it overlaps

but i dont have 2p (thanks great vault)

[surreal barn]

With no 2pc first dance is mandatory

Imo

[tawny kestrel]

it doesnt matter

but its better than first dance

first dance doesnt fit well into the rotation

especially not with 6 second dance

[unreal pewter]

Anyone noticed outlaw 4pc does literally 0 dmg in pvp?

2pc as well

Feels pretty bad having 4 set do nothing lmao

[minor cape]

cool then im sticking with my bad habits

[tribal badger]

yea laws tier pretty weak in pvp

[unreal pewter]

pretty weak?

it did like 30k over a 4 minute match

thats gotta be bugged

[minor cape]

btw wassup with everyone saying gloomblade is strong

[tribal badger]

how much damage did u do over the 4 minute match tho

2set just does 2.5% of ur damage

[unreal pewter]

I was doing like 40k dps

bro

[tribal badger]

would need to see the damage breakdowns, 2set should be doing like 1-2% of ur damage and 4set another 2-3%

plus 2.5% agi from 4set

its weak yea

[unreal pewter]

I'm telling you its legit bugged

I played 30 games

every game it was the bottom 2 damages

like 20k per each respective set bonus

[minor cape]

well y know tiers are half the power

in pvp

they have a 0.5 modifier

[unreal pewter]

yes but if im flurrying a demo lock

with 10% bonus dmg permanently

and doing 20k

ur telling me thats not bugged

[tribal badger]

u dont have 10% bonus damage permanently

[unreal pewter]

yes

[tribal badger]

its less then that in pve even

[unreal pewter]

hes stunning me

every 10 seconds

[tribal badger]

oh i thought u meant the set

[unreal pewter]

its the talent

[tribal badger]

not the pvp talent

[unreal pewter]

its all fucked up lmao

[tribal badger]

again id need to see ur actual damage breakdowns

and it doesnt surprise me its bottom two damage sources

[unreal pewter]

I'll do a few more games tonight

just to post numbers

[tribal badger]

i said it should be like 2%/3% of ur damage respectively

that would probably be among ur lowest damage sources

since its only 2%/3%

[unreal pewter]

I may even have them in details when I get home

[tribal badger]

if ur bteing on cd properly then 2set might be even lower in pvp

maybe around 1% since ur eating it with 4set constantly

but 4set should still be 2-3%

[unreal pewter]

You're definitely bte'ing on cd

GS ps does alot to players

[minor cape]

why wouldnt you

[unreal pewter]

its like 90k crits

[minor cape]

greenskins is the pirates strongest weapon arrrrrrgh

[marble oasis]

real weird question Engineering tinkers what is actually the most veritile one for pvp in general i know they probs don't work in rated because blizzard is boring now

[tribal badger]

they dont work

but nitro boots has always been my favorite for rando bgs

nothing can keep up or outrun it so great for ganking or fleeing

(when it doesnt decide to kill you)

[marble oasis]

😮 what tinkers don't even work in bgs? ffs blizzard

[tribal badger]

nono they dont work in rated

in rando u can use them

and nothing works in any form of arena

[marble oasis]

yeh figured about rated. nearly got me about rando BG's that's half the fun making people go wtf

[south river]

What's the best way to get some pvp gear? I just went into shuffle with my full pve gear and got gangbanged into the ground

[minor cape]

farming random bgs

for honor gear

[tribal badger]

^

buy a full set of honor gear

[south river]

Are the sin/sub tier sets any good in pvp? They seem kinda shit

[tribal badger]

subs 2set is very good

[surreal barn]

Subs makes it fun again if that’s what matters to you

[tribal badger]

no clue for sin, i think 2set is very bad, 4set might be ok for different playstyles

[south river]

Don't think i've ever called pvp fun haha. If it werent for the transmog i probably wouldnt even bother trying to learn

[surreal barn]

Most fun I’ve had was S1 legion lol

The rogue 1v2 was never more real haha

[unreal pewter]

I got 1600 but I couldn't actually use the mog

it said "this set is only available during the current season"

[tribal badger]

the full mog unlocks at 1800 (is that what u meant)

but thats an odd bug

[unreal pewter]

I couldn't even mog the invidual pieces u get for 1600

even by doing a search under each individual category

like go to chest and type "obsidian"

[tribal badger]

ah i havent actually tried to do individual mogs

[unreal pewter]

nothing

[tribal badger]

i just picked the full set appearence after i hit 1800

[unreal pewter]

You just used the set

yeah

I need to get 1800 still

[grave pier]

Can someone provide me with a macro

that targets arena 1 arena 2 arena 3?

so 3 macros

[trim arch]

Sin set absolute shit. I dropped few my test screenshots last night

[spring bough]

The 1600 pieces are called lurking like the tier set. It’s weird lol

[unreal pewter]

is that why?

[spring bough]

I think I usually shadow strike kidney dance pop all CDs into a CB secret tech and even drop smoke sometimes if I think we could delete lol

[surreal barn]

When you dance you’re getting full cbs from a SS tho

[jolly sierra]

at this step seems going full versa mastery is the way in assa instead a tier lol

[spring bough]

Idk maybe I’m doing the opener all wrong lol 🤷‍♂️

[surreal barn]

Try that kidney without first dance then pop all cds with your dance > SS it will fill it up completely

(With 2 set

Then you can do another symbols into 2nd finisher. If that’s not right then I’m wrong haha

[minor cape]

yeah then you really dont need first dance but i just dont like the whole thing of opening with shadowstrike

what happens is you get stunned and now enemy has the initiative

😭

[spring bough]

Y’all open with cheap shot?

[minor cape]

i open with cheap on off targets and dance kidney on main

through subterfuge

[spring bough]

Gotcha

[minor cape]

maybe sap one cheap or gouge the other then kidney on main still

[spring bough]

I keep going back n forth between acrobatic and rocking subterfuge can’t find what one I like better

[minor cape]

just dont go vigor

and take both

[spring bough]

Lmao idk if I can play without vigor I’m just too used to it

[minor cape]

although

acrobatic is not so much a necessity now

especially in caster lobbies

[spring bough]

I tried rocking just one shadowstep to pickup subterfuge but I didn’t like that either

[minor cape]

but against a warrior its just too good

this is what you are missing for playing vigor that doesnt even do anything really

like, you get enough for the go anyway especially w symbols

on 2p

[spring bough]

I guess so then I could pickup blackjack and the stun talent

[minor cape]

well you know you are already higher on rating now than i was last season so you might know better

[spring bough]

Might have to try a couple games without vigor later lol

[minor cape]

but dw im catching up this season haha

[minor cape]

blackjack huge too

[spring bough]

If you saw my play yall would shit a brick with the crap I do 😂. Push at people like I’m outlaw right now still. And just try to smash as many buttons as I can 😂

[minor cape]

sap a healer get 5 stacks of wound poison and the guy will feel like he is healing through the opposite of pain sup

[spring bough]

Then just smash finishers and hope it deletes lol

[trim arch]

15.5kk dmg from SS match and still 2.5% dam from tier set Don't be jeealous SUBs

[minor cape]

laughing so hard at russian ability names everytime

why tf is russian slice and dice called мясорубка (means MEAT GRINDER)

[spring bough]

Looks like sins 2pc doing 1% more than outlaws 2pc was doing for me. Guess blizz really accomplished making tier negligible in pvp

[trim arch]

M Y A S O R U B K A

[surreal barn]

You can have both

W vigor

[spring bough]

What do I have to give up for that tho lol

[surreal barn]

Vigor is legit tbh I go back and forth

[spring bough]

Feel like I’d have to give up wound talent to get all that w vigor

[trim arch]

Should w8 to next reset and balance patch

[minor cape]

you can live wout wound

🫡

[spring bough]

Oh bye bye wound talent then 😂

[trim arch]

guys where i can watch PvP stats for items?

Like Cum boots and etc

without test

[minor cape]

hit a pvp dummy

and it will show pvp stats

[trim arch]

Are you sure?

[minor cape]

yes

[trim arch]

[jolly sierra]

M E A T G R I N D E R

yeah hit a dummy

[minor cape]

grind the mage

[jolly sierra]

when i wanna check if some embelishment is shit i just do that

[minor cape]

wait no grind the mage sounds weird

[jolly sierra]

now a real question

[trim arch]

I crafted today sshadow flame shoulders justt for test and spend for this 90k gold spoiler its sucks butt still better then tier set

[jolly sierra]

is safe to stun mages now in SS? i lost that way cuz those guys always used regular blink against me instead shimmer

but seems they are all almost using shimmer now

[tribal badger]

i mean just stun them once early in the game to see if they have shimmer

[trim arch]

its safe to disarm mages in SS

[tribal badger]

or if u see them casting while blinking

[jolly sierra]

everything seems to be better than 2set at this step lol

[jolly sierra]

always lol

careful with reacts u are using ur mega ones very fast XD

[jolly sierra]

fine ill do that, yesterday got a frost and just ate all the stuns

[trim arch]

so yeah sometimes shoulders did more dmg then shadowflame proc

[jolly sierra]

im thinking in go full versa mastery if tier doesnt satisfy my expectations

at least in my ret the 2 set is +5% more damage in hammer of wrath and judgment with +7% more crit dmg from hammer

but hammer crit is guaranteed talented, so ofc is better

[trim arch]

For now it’s better for sure. I’ll try to play with inf boots + shadoflame shoulders until sin tier would be fixed or I get all 4cp

I saw

[wary spire]

That looks dope! For some reason thought I couldn't get subterfuge and vigor at the same time.

[fading blade]

Playing Sub in SS is quite the experience

[tawny kestrel]

yeah its broken

[nova viper]

what?

[spring bough]

Shhh it’s working perfect no nerfs pls blizz 😆

[crimson basalt]

Nah remoce secret tech

I hate it so much

It’s just a free I win button, I don’t wanna play like that

[spring bough]

It’s so cheese though lol. I had a game last night and I’m at like 10%. My CDs came up lined up a CB secret tech on this hunter and it was like 40% to 0 just like that. DK teammate goes “oh my god” 😂

[jolly sierra]

got an idea btw

i'll test the tier in ptr again and use honor crests to craft life-giving gear

so i can test how much dmg can i do

the problem is

set isn't pvp leveled there :/

so maybe need to get 4set somewhere else

[fading blade]

have u tried the new wep enchant

[hasty holly]

yeah this was an assa rogue, ik outlaw has good survivability, just shit damage

maybe it’s the rating but it was the world’s zuggiest assa rogue

[worn comet]

😅

[hasty holly]

it was a night elf too

shadowmeld would have helped a lot

[jolly sierra]

alright im testing in ptr

full 420 gear vs 4set tier around 418-421 ilvl

the sample should be ok

[azure adder]

Hello! What kind of strategy could be useful as sub rogue if lobby is 2 warriors and DH?

felt really really awful. All of them just ruined my stun DRs whole game and tunneled eachother in middle of map.

[tribal badger]

politely ask them to not stun healer, focus ur stun drs on healer during the big damage dealers goes

do ur setup with dance and ur burst during their goes but focus on locking down healer more then tunneling damage cause those classes already do enough

[simple crest]

omg, did they reduce the spawn of expedition sacks with the new patch? ive flown all over Thaldraszus and found one.

oh how nice. prevokers have the anti cc tranq bs resto druids have

[crimson basalt]

Kill the weakling

Tbag them, and laugh at them for playing their class and hating on rogue

[jolly sierra]

no, someone is faster than you

[waxen meteor]

why to pick up subterfuge?

i saw palumor have it too

i mostly just open with dance anyway, is it trying to compensate the lose of 2 seconds of dance window from sub tree?

[spring bough]

Feels real nice having subterfuge and ripping off some more shadow strikes and evis to get even more CDR

[minor cape]

i use to so i can double or triple cheap from vanish

or you can meld to stealth to the same thing

[spring bough]

How does this triple cheap shot work I haven’t tried that lol

[waxen meteor]

i feel dmg out of dance is limited

[spring bough]

Gloomblade where the dmg at out of dance

[waxen meteor]

i keep the 2s extension of dance today (not using rotten yet)

[minor cape]

well you have access to cheap from subterfuge

[waxen meteor]

i always cheap shot two others when possible at end of dance

[minor cape]

just go and stun everyonr

[waxen meteor]

(at open)

obviously if it's one melee one caster, it's probably hard

[minor cape]

subter is enough to cheap shadowstep cheap cheap

kinda like that

[waxen meteor]

but that means you open non kill target?

[minor cape]

idk works in shuffle

🫡

[waxen meteor]

as of today, i do brew and i cheap after primary dmg from dance

[minor cape]

but its not just opener thing tho cause you can meld into it

[waxen meteor]

it's like almost always last second of dance as well

it's also time they come out from sap

so it's 'great' timing

[minor cape]

im going to be honest i also run subter cause i sometimes just do my dance without exiting stealth and all my dance mqcros break

[waxen meteor]

Like rogue/mage
Sap A
SS + Dance + Kidney B -> blablabla (DMG or get trinket and cheapshot again)
Cheap A
Dance over

if A doesn't trinket, he gets a blind after

[minor cape]

hmm

[waxen meteor]

but that's with first dance and brew

i haven't gone rotten yet

no tier

[minor cape]

i usually sap A cheap B then kidney A and gooooo

[waxen meteor]

[minor cape]

and mage sheeps

[waxen meteor]

i am not sure if we need mage sheep for s2 (at open)

like when we are out of dance and energy low, better to have mage doing dmg

if we are targeting a melee target, mage is also in safe distance

imagine a warrior

if he charges into mage pfff from stun

[jolly sierra]

to be fair

there are not too much difference between use 4set and go raw

as assa

[minor cape]

its also hard as hell to play with sheep

cause sec tech breaks it

[jolly sierra]

im testing this shit in pvp mannequin

and is not nerfing the dmg from tier

and the differences are 3k overall dmg in 2m

nvm it is nerfing the dmg as usual

differences are 3k dmg overall

4set vs no set, leaning dmg to 4set

can conclude something else

is better go without crimson tempest

the dmg is VERY low compared to rupture, even with 2 targets

those are my conclusions for today

[potent pivot]

Testing stuff like CT on a pvp dummy damage test isn’t really going to tell you much

It’s good in practice in real matches, an extra dot is good especially if you’re kiting/being kited

[jolly sierra]

the dmg is very low

[potent pivot]

The initial hit can also do decent dmg, I think the initial hit double dips a certain interaction

[jolly sierra]

in 2 targets is still lesser than rupture

[potent pivot]

You’re also not only getting extra dmg from the CT spell itself

[jolly sierra]

the thing is

will 3k more dmg overall worth for a 4set?

[potent pivot]

Having an extra dot as assa gives you more dmg in more ways than 1

[jolly sierra]

the problem with tempest is than is hard to maintain

has very low duration even for 5 combo points

[potent pivot]

You don’t have to maintain 100% uptime

But it also gives more dmg from Lethal Dose as well too

[jolly sierra]

remember crimson tempest just do 10% more damage w 2set in pvp

the difference is not too high

[potent pivot]

Imo yes, for me at least. I’m pretty sure I’m going to run it I mean

[jolly sierra]

to use it and to don't

[potent pivot]

I mean

Think about it

What else are you gonna spend a point on that really matters more

[jolly sierra]

hm

10% more damage in all poisons i think

instead crimson tbh

[potent pivot]

Ain’t no way

[jolly sierra]

think it need more testing from retail players

nobody has 4set yet and raw dmg is still ok

[potent pivot]

It could just be a preference thing tbh

Prefer passive? Poison dmg

Prefer active? CT

I know a lot of ppl complain about the amount of keybinds atm

[jolly sierra]

ah fuck them

that is for ret mains

buTtOn blOAt

[minor cape]

yeah honestly

i dont have enough keybinds

for assa

and you cant even macro shit

at least with sub you can make some one button macros

[spring bough]

i would be dead in the water without macros. love my secret tech one does symbols, shadow blades, CB, then secret lol

[minor cape]

i dont have those macros where you press one button multiple times

but i have the one that presses all the shit for a go

so i dont need to bind shadow blades

and badge

[stoic spruce]

Has anyone tested the new outlaw tier?

[spring bough]

its nerfed by half think the tooltip says 2% in pvp. doesnt seem good at all. maybe 4pc will change that

[stoic spruce]

2 pc isn't nerfed

Unless outlaw is an exception. On 4pc of everyone was nerfed

[spring bough]

pretty sure all tier is 50% reduced in pvp

[stoic spruce]

its only 4pc

its a very common misconception

unless this is old

some 2pc didnt get nerfed like fdks

[spring bough]

yeah i just looked at them the tooltip stays the same for 2pc. im convinced that 2pc tooltip was 2% on outlaw a couple days ago in an arena. guess im going crazy lmao

[jolly sierra]

they are nerfed, we checked days ago wowhead doesnt update everything after announcements

for example ww monk s1 set is nerfed and wowhead said it wasn't

[stoic spruce]

thats the wrong tool tip anyway

[tribal badger]

2set is nerfed 50%

and the nerfing of 2set automatically nerfs outlaw 4set by 50%

thats why it isnt nerfed again

the agi is cut in half tho

[stoic spruce]

rip

[tribal badger]

4set damage is directly based on 2set damage for law so by nerfing the 2set by 50% u already nerfed the 4set

[jolly sierra]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/13lqo9x/which_class_is_in_the_worst_state_as_of_101/

look, now dks are the bullied ones KEK

[stoic spruce]

that makes sense

[stoic spruce]

now?

[jolly sierra]

yeah

dks are saying they are worse than us

[stoic spruce]

they are

though theyve been worse than us for a long time

[jolly sierra]

think was since spellwarden nerf

just noticed

they nerfed the honor gain from SS too

[tender ferry]

I’ve been liking CT. Just can’t tell if I like the Shadenox full bleed build or the Dragon Tempered build with a point or two in zoldyck

Envenom kinda blows so I basically just replace it with CT

[tawny kestrel]

https://gyazo.com/6631de90ecaa6ca0cf9e97ef341b2a5e

when weapon master procs

[surreal barn]

Daaaamn delete

Weaponmaster with rotten is … rotten

[jolly sierra]

working as intended

raz, question, have you tested assa with the 4set? we are discussing here if worth to wear it or not xd

[tawny kestrel]

honestly dont think its worth wearing

hard to say tho

[jolly sierra]

well

yeah, im doubting a lot too after testing it in ptr

[lucid citrus]

was this the rotten build?

[tawny kestrel]

ye

[tender ferry]

Rotten weapon master proc = windfury at home

[buoyant niche]

Just went 6-0 as outlaw at 1800. AMA.

[waxen meteor]

@jolly sierra am not sure if cloak halves in pvp

maybe detail addon is broken

[jolly sierra]

it halves, what is your doubt?

remember details check the amount absorbed while u are being hit

rather when it triggers

[waxen meteor]

yeah it shows me very close to 250

but it could be the addon issue

[jolly sierra]

weird

it should absorb like 115k usually

[waxen meteor]

yeah i remember you mentioned

[jolly sierra]

try again

[waxen meteor]

lol

it will take a while to get into another lobby

i did a 450 cloak on dh

was a lobby with dps evoker + desto lock

checked 2 games, both show 250 from details addon

[jolly sierra]

wtf

broken af

look, from a match w a crazy sub

sporecloak absorbed 110k while i was stunned

btw ended 4-2 the ret was crap

monk need a nerf imo

[waxen meteor]

lol i was just doing ret round and ended 4-2

shhh

thought it was me

i will redeem weapon next week if vault doesn't give me the weapon next week

[waxen meteor]

hm i changed characeter, and changed back to dh, now it's more close to 115k

[jolly bear]

anyone wanna do 2s?

im on my warrior

[potent pivot]

not really supposed to use the server as lfg homie

[jolly bear]

oh

mb

[potent pivot]

no worries

[jolly bear]

I'm just bored and I cant do solo shuffle cuz the queue times make me wanna swallow needles

[potent pivot]

make some friends here and take it to the DMs 😀

[jolly bear]

u right

[potent pivot]

i feel you

[jolly bear]

i dont really get why the queue times are so long

i know healers dont wanna play but is that it?

[potent pivot]

yeah it's mostly just lack of healers queueing

[jolly bear]

oh blizzard :)))

[waxen meteor]

did half an hour rogue mage again

feels good

[harsh widget]

is the shadowflame embellishment worth it or better to buy a trophy for the cloak?

[potent pivot]

for sub, neither

[harsh widget]

sin 🙂

[potent pivot]

cloak might be ok

juries still kinda out on it imo

[narrow tangle]

i hoped in with my ret disc friend and got %35 wr in 3s i feel bad

[potent pivot]

slimy boots+toxic patch embellishments or agi boots+cloak

[harsh widget]

i got the agi boots so far. hm so the shadowflame thing doesnt do decent dmg?

[potent pivot]

why do you feel bad?

[potent pivot]

not really no

[narrow tangle]

due to lack of skill i guess

[harsh widget]

thanks!

[potent pivot]

takes time and practice :d

[narrow tangle]

i feel like doing no dmg in sub idk why

[potent pivot]

it's always better to play the game and try, even if you lose a bunch

that's the only way to get better

sub isn't really about doing overall dmg

it's more about lining up a kill

trying to burst etc

[trim arch]

Max dmg what I saw from shadoflame embellishment was ~9%. Usually it’s 5-7%. But I don’t like then your heal pushes he’s saved in your cloak shield proc. It feels so bad then 2 your saves goes on cd

[wary spire]

What to look out for vs enh?

They just don't die.

[trim arch]

Kill totems

[wary spire]

Weh

[nova viper]

World pvp in nutshell

[languid ravine]

that is the least offensive cutest amount of salt I have ever read online and

and I've been onliine my whole life

I mean Ape isnt even an insult, thats just facts

[wary spire]

40 minutes in queue.

5/6 match

300 honor back to queue

[languid ravine]

mate you have to understand, it would be too easy to just calculate mmr for every single round

How is a small indie company such as Bleeeezz supposed to keep player engagement metrics up if they dont waste your time?

[harsh steppe]

hmm seeing a lot of mixed wpvp gear on top rated subs

is that just because we can’t have full conq yet?

[queen geyser]

Probably

[jolly sierra]

tell him to touch grass and if he ress again just kill him

[harsh widget]

thanks! 🙂 i went with the cloak for now 😄

[jolly sierra]

i do that with seethe players and they just say im a fatass which can barely see his pp

[harsh steppe]

ah ok ty

[spring bough]

looks like a couple finally hit elite in solo shuffle for sub. nahj ofc did lol

[pale storm]

Yeah and he confirmed no token for tiger at 2.4 unfortunately.
Hopefully they give us another before catalyst, also I hope they increase the spark rate, one a week would be nice, feel like as Sub you’ll end up with a lot of vers/mastery crafted pieces

[spring bough]

i thought they said that was one and done for the season unfortunately lol

oh man hit a shadowy duel on a mage at about 50% lined it up with a secret tech and games over cause he had no block left LOL

love looking at these things lol

300k dmg in 2 seconds lol

[jolly sierra]

met a very dangerous sub in last night

noticed it cuz i went w my monk w him to a ret and the guy was unable to react

just hit one once and then 1 sec later was dead

[spring bough]

im trying thistle tea right now cause i ran a ST sim and it says +6k dps and its rocking in solo lol

[jolly sierra]

tried to do the same to me but i had sporecloak so i endured inside the stun

and karmaed after that

[jolly sierra]

i'll need to sim too late when i have tier tho

[dull skiff]

is there anything u would recommend spending my first conquest points for? sub rogue

got 447/441 weps with crit vers

[glacial aurora]

If u have both weapons, then I would say prolly chest cause it's tier is vers/mast and u can upgrade it when crucible comes out

[dull skiff]

makes sense ty

[spring bough]

wonder at what point in the season we gotta wait until to go 3-3 and gain some rating lol

tryna push this duelist today and having to go consecutive 4-2's or save my ass and hit a 3-3 is gonna be a wild trip lol

[spring bough]

i just watched nahjs steam from yesterday and at one point bro is on 2s on his one rogue has 50 seconds before solo starts on the other and he deleted both people in the 2s and switched back to solo with 5 secs before the game started. dude is a robot lol

[vivid dove]

Bro why does all the honor gear for rogue not have the starts you want prio on

Like no crit at all

[jolly sierra]

thought u needed mastery

[worthy widget]

any new sub builds rn?

[minor cape]

yup you want all mastery on sub

[worthy widget]

thats old school

[minor cape]

im telling to Shocker

about new builds yes there is this no sec tech rotten thing

if you have 2pc

[languid ravine]

Rogue mates

someone who isnt paranoid/stupid please lend me 5euros via paypal

its fucking locked due to negative balance

which means I cant use my bank to set it to positive balance

its as if Blizzard class designers made this whole bank system uop

[jolly sierra]

dunno if i can help you, paypal didnt allow me to retire my shit

lemme see

i have 5.76 USD does it work for u?

[spring bough]

doing 2s my healer goes oom and we are playing against a mistweaver and windwalker. hit two back to back 50k gloomblades to KO the windwalker felt so good lol

[glossy linden]

Ok question about which boots to craft. Would it be better to go with slimy over infurious?

[minor cape]

sub infurious

100%

[glossy linden]

Seems you'll get way more mastery off of slimy, but the infurious equip chant is nice

[minor cape]

assa not sure

but sub infurious always

[jolly sierra]

assa use infurious too

[glossy linden]

how come? seems you'll lose about 334 mastery going infurious?

[minor cape]

if you are concerned about mastery some people use life giving boots

[glossy linden]

you only gain 66 vers

[jolly sierra]

u care about the effect

not the stat itself

[minor cape]

its worth it when they proc

[languid ravine]

do you see my message Randa Pogue?

[jolly sierra]

lemme see

[glossy linden]

gotcha ok so the effect itself makes it worth it losing the mastery

[minor cape]

agility is valued more as far as i know

[glossy linden]

Was looking at Palumor and it seems he chose the 334 mastery over the effect itself.

gotcha

I'll just make my neckpiece have mastery gems only over mast/vers xD

[minor cape]

dont worry about losing a little mastery on boota

but yeah the life giving boots are in fact a good alternative

just dont see much people using those

[glossy linden]

would we put any effect on the life giving boots?

[keen dune]

Okay I’m on the worst loss streak I’ve ever been on and it’s BAD

[minor cape]

they have the effect of giving you 300 mastery if you are above 90% health

[glossy linden]

I love this discord. people are so fast and helpful, haha. ty guys

[minor cape]

but better craft inf anyway

[glossy linden]

I have that on my shoulders currently

[minor cape]

do they stack?

idk

[glossy linden]

not sure tbh

[jolly sierra]

the thing is most top players are using infurious

[minor cape]

yup

thats why im saying infurious anyway

xd

[glossy linden]

lol

[jolly sierra]

palumor didnt seem to influence enough that decision

and is because agi > all

[glossy linden]

I'm just a huge palumor fan haha

xD

[jolly sierra]

i rlly dislike palumor but its ok

[minor cape]

rn its usually inf + life giving shoulder

[glossy linden]

o.o

noooo why

[minor cape]

or its inf + signet

[glossy linden]

ok cool I have life giving shoulder currently

[jolly sierra]

w assa at least im using currently infurious + sporecloak

[minor cape]

sub: 2 vanishes on low cd and shield, infinite shadowsteps, 30 sec evasion with shadowdust
assa: sporecock 😤

[spring bough]

sub rn >>>

[worthy widget]

you can wire paypal money via your bank account

it will even tell you to

like an actual wire transfer

[languid ravine]

yes it is wired which is exactly why I said I cant use my wired bank account while the balance is negative thanks

but I got it solved now ty Panda ❤️

[jolly sierra]

u welcome

[worthy widget]

no dude

wired doesnt mean connected

wtf

[keen dune]

I need help I just dropped 300 rating

[jolly sierra]

just keep going, once i dropped like 600 and returned to 2k

[keen dune]

I will try D:

[spring bough]

3 times last season 2350-2380 back down to 1600 then back up lmao

[jolly sierra]

yeah luck is shit sometimes

[spring bough]

some of these solo lobbies are just not good

[jolly sierra]

just buy a lucky shirt and keep going

[pale storm]

Really wish we could get 1 spark per week, I want to craft helm, neck, shoulders, 2x rings with perfect vers/mastery - 12 weeks wait

[worthy widget]

i dont think full mastery is good

you want crit

at least to a certain %

[tawny kestrel]

why

@worthy widget

[jolly sierra]

in assa? why? explain

[jolly sierra]

me too, i rlly hate timegating

[worthy widget]

he playin assa?

[jolly sierra]

you are asking tho

still dont know about which spec are u playing

[pale storm]

was talking about Sub mostly

feel like mastery vers for assa probably good also

[worthy widget]

with sub you want crit

at least to 20%

huge chunk of your dmg comes from crit

[pale storm]

mastery is where your dam comes from, buffs all finishers which is your dam

[tawny kestrel]

every sub build crits everything u want to crit anyway

so crit isnt rly that good

[jolly sierra]

crit is nerfed by a lot in this patch too

mastery just scales juicy in sub

[worthy widget]

almost nothin in a sub build guarantees a crit

[jolly sierra]

cold blood and symbols says hello

[worthy widget]

cold blood is one fucking crit a minute

[tawny kestrel]

if u play right side of sub tree u dont rly kill outside of cold blood goes

so

if u play rotten u also crit everything u want to crit

crit isnt bad so to speak but u get enough of it from 4 set + dagger

[jolly sierra]

u have double symbols w tier too

[pale storm]

you like 4 piece over 2 piece + crafted vers/mastery Raz?

[tawny kestrel]

4 piece is nice yeah

[wicked tide]

what are peoples thoughts on sporecloak for sub

after boots

[jolly sierra]

are you sure u need it w double vanish?

[wicked tide]

its that or mastery enchant im just curious on what poeples thoughts are on it

its kinda like a mini cheat death every 2 minutes no?

[jolly sierra]

a little

its like BFA safeguard trinket to be more exact

[autumn grail]

Hi! I'm a casual Pvp player. Is a crafted 447 ilvl Item stronger for Pvp than a basic honor item or is it downgraded? I ask because it doesn't seem to influence the global average pvp ilvl.

[jolly sierra]

is better

if it has versa

[wicked tide]

i think having that also makes u feel better about not taking cheat death vs certain matchups

[jolly sierra]

i take cheat death anyways tbh

need all my lifes

[spring bough]

love a 45 minute que for some1 to leave as game starts

back to line lol

[jolly sierra]

i got into a match yesterday with 5 guys in my time and all were kicked

*team

[worthy widget]

honestly blizz needs to remove pvp gears accessibility problem

people would play more heal if they could just jump into arena with as little a hurdle as possible

that would fix the queue

being lvl 70 and going to the vendor to get your honor set

and just making it available in pvp, or a low pve item level

then later when u got honor you can upgrade it to normal pve item levels

i find it stupid that i have to grind senseless battlegrounds to get into arena

especially if i wanna play multiple classes

[tawny kestrel]

its an mmorpg

u cant expect to make a new char and instantly have full gear

few hours of bgs wont hurt u

[jolly sierra]

could be worse

in bfa u had zero vendors for pvp and glad items were from a fkn chest with random drops

doesnt ask how was the system there to upgrade stuff

[worthy widget]

what kind of dumb argument is that

that doesnt define an mmo

let alone pvp

countless other mmos have implemented standardized pvp

[tawny kestrel]

if u want to just be able to jump into pvp then u are playing the wrong game

[jolly sierra]

also, u have AH to get pvp cheap stuff

[worthy widget]

some have huge success with that

[tawny kestrel]

what other mmo has huge success with pvp?

[worthy widget]

gw2, bdos arena of solare, Blade and Soul

all those games dont have a huge audience so theres no esports, but esports behind a gamemode isnt an argument for game systems

also its just pvp

it should be purely skill based

[tawny kestrel]

a lot of ppl disagree with that i think

casuals that is

[worthy widget]

wdym casuals

aint pve

[tawny kestrel]

im sure there are many ppl who enjoy having more gear than others and doing bgs etc

[worthy widget]

you only got low skill players

high skill players and everything in between

[tawny kestrel]

regardless, if you gave everyone the same gear instantly you'd need way shorter seasons

[worthy widget]

there is no "casual" player in pvp

[tawny kestrel]

otherwise the game would very quickly die

[worthy widget]

you basically give everyone the same gear tho???

[jolly sierra]

casual player does exists

playing random bgs

[worthy widget]

everyone has the same fucking gear in pvp

just getting there is the shit part

[tawny kestrel]

yeah everyone gets honor gear and then they progress toward full conquest gear

and once everyone has full conquest gear

[worthy widget]

thats why nobody plays other classes except the one they already geared once

[tawny kestrel]

the season dies

[jolly sierra]

they never touch rated

[tawny kestrel]

until the last month

[worthy widget]

but i say HONOR gear

conquest can remain the same

honor gear should be free

[tawny kestrel]

it basically is free

[jolly sierra]

XD

[tawny kestrel]

it takes almost no time getting full honor gear

[worthy widget]

it takes like 1 day if you nolife bgs

[tawny kestrel]

takes like 3-4 hours but ye

[worthy widget]

which is just a dumb fucking system anyway

make it free and problem solved

[tawny kestrel]

just q epic bgs and afk

simple

[worthy widget]

a dumb timegate that serves no purpose has nothing to do in a game

see

theres the issue

you people just see "oh you can just do X boring thing and get it done"

but thats the problem

why even have to do the boring thing

why is that the design standard nowadays

[tawny kestrel]

always has been

[worthy widget]

and you guys condone it by not speaking up about it

[tawny kestrel]

never been an issue until recently

[worthy widget]

always has been an issue

[tawny kestrel]

ppl dont want to put in any work

they just want the rewards

[worthy widget]

wow has been like that for years

and now with solo shuffle it becomes apparent

pvp was always less accessible than pve

[jolly sierra]

god why u complain too much for something its too trivial

in pve u need to still grind shit to gear up right?

[worthy widget]

ye but thats the content

[jolly sierra]

pvp isnt content too?

[worthy widget]

pvp content isnt gearing

pvp is getting rating

and outplaying

[tawny kestrel]

bgs is pvp content for a lot of people

[worthy widget]

and they can still do that content

wheres the issue?

[jolly sierra]

then pve gearing is content?

[tawny kestrel]

its like saying that cus u are a mythic raider

u should just be given heroic gear

for free

[worthy widget]

pve is basically only gearing

have gear, deal damage

[jolly sierra]

u got the wrong idea and can check it

[worthy widget]

you are capped by gear, not counting min maxing

[jolly sierra]

dont think can argue too much here

[worthy widget]

wdym wrong idea

im talking pvp

u guys take pve as a dumb example

as if they are intertwined

[jolly sierra]

they are

[worthy widget]

xd

to some extend by crafting

but they both have separate systems, different optional ingredients for example

you dont get pvp gear by doing pve

just as much as you dont get the BIS slots in pvp for pve (i know shadowlands had BIS in pvp"

[jolly sierra]

i needed to go MOS M+ to get a decent dagger in SL

[worthy widget]

but they removed that which showed that it was a dumb system

[jolly sierra]

for pvp

[worthy widget]

another point for me, since they separated pvp and pve even more

so what was that argument

[jolly sierra]

but i think u are complaining way too much for something is irrelevant

and doesnt worth time arguing

[worthy widget]

the argument was 45min queue times

make pvp more accessible like I suggested and that could be halfed at least

[surreal barn]

I dont think I bg’d once for my honor gear

It literally was free

[worthy widget]

doesnt work like that

just bc u playing a lot of arena and had it saved up for next season

[surreal barn]

I consider someone who needs to enter bgs to get honor in the learning stage and that’s a good place for them to stay and learn. If they want to queue skirms for honor the. Maybe you could straight up queue them against others with the same ilvl

[worthy widget]

every heard of UNRANKED

[surreal barn]

Last I checked skirms and bgs were UNRANKED

[worthy widget]

yeah

which is why its not even an argument against my statement

you got unranked

and ranked

unranked is where you learn basics

[surreal barn]

I guess giving them everything would be okay

[worthy widget]

having the same gear makes it fairer

and easier to learnj

[surreal barn]

I think we should have premade key binds too

Where everyone has to use the same binds.

[worthy widget]

i think we should make more dumb statements that have nothing to say or do with anything

[surreal barn]

Definitely.

[worthy widget]

ye like your 10 iq brain does

[surreal barn]

Is that a high number

[jolly sierra]

haha personal attack goes brrr

<@&224906552333697025>

[surreal barn]

Blizzard not giving everyone the same gear is the spice of WoW

[worthy widget]

wdym

u already have the same fucking gear

[surreal barn]

Like, sure you want to stack mastery for this build

[worthy widget]

everyone crafts the same gear

everyone wants the same BIS

[surreal barn]

BiS is an illusion

[worthy widget]

everyone gets the stat they want from the honor vendor that they can choose

the time gate to get the gear is dumb for pvp

[pale storm]

WoW is at a stage where pvp is the most accessible and easiest to gear it has ever been. you can also cap your honor/conquest in so many different ways that is supports various ways to play. go try classic tbc/wotlk whgere you have to raid every season and hope rng is good for your gear to drop just to play pvp

[worthy widget]

what are these arguments

[tawny kestrel]

yeah gearing has never been easier

[worthy widget]

just bc something is better now

doesnt mean we cant make it even better

[pale storm]

I tihnk they could give a gold reward for healers to Q SS
would be nice to bring back old elite mogs similar to how they do mounts where above say 2k raitng you start filling up the bar for wins and eventually get a token to buy old elite sets

[worthy widget]

finally a sensible argument

but that wont really solve it imo

the general problem is that healing just isnt everyones favourite thing, its so hard to start out in

[tawny kestrel]

ye giving everyone free honor gear will make more ppl heal

facts

[surreal barn]

Do we give out the free crafteds too

I think we should

[tawny kestrel]

everyone gets the same gear anyway, so may as well

[jolly sierra]

are u still arguing?

[surreal barn]

You want to solve the healer issue then let people with healers queue their dps while they are healing

And keep their place in line

Hell even I’d heal if it meant I could hop directly on my rogue afterwards with a q pop

[jolly sierra]

they had an spaghet code into queue section according to a blue post

they found the queue time issue but since months are still working on it

[surreal barn]

I feel like they will want to see how many augmentation evokes queue to see if that brings them down enough

[worthy widget]

i think solo queue should just be 1v1 duels

:p

[candid condor]

[worthy widget]

I think overall, solo shuffle shouldnt exist, its more aids to wait for queues than anything else, at least with normal 2v2, 3v3, you were able to find games and gain rating at a solid rate, now everyone just going solo and the other modes are dead

• if you wait for queues you cant do anything else

you can maybe play a singleplayer game in the meantime, but not a multiplayer one, only if its casual like battlefield or smth, and even then you have to have both games running.

[spring bough]

i want whatever youre smoking rn

[jolly sierra]

[surreal barn]

In these duels am I allowed to use any skill I want

[worthy widget]

u are even allowed to read a book for the first time in your life

or use your brain in general

maybe even learn how to speak without sarcasm

[jolly sierra]

here we go

[surreal barn]

I’m not sure what title you’d get from such a high dueling win rate because “the Insane” is already taken

[candid condor]

@worthy widget This aint the server for you if this is how you speak to others.

[pale storm]

We all Rogue homies in here + a few fotm reroll ears and brother of the light last patch converts

[worthy widget]

this aint a world in which you censor everything just bc 2 peeps have some beef

[candid condor]

Requiring some functional social skills is not censorship. Take it or leave it.

[pale storm]

Just would rather constructive criticism that just negativity

[worthy widget]

telling someone he is a dumbass is a funtioning social skill

[pale storm]

🔨

[jolly sierra]

drop the hammer

do it do it

[light estuary]

so i used up one of my Trophy of Conquest to create the 90% mastery shoulders... should i buy another trophy for 700 conquest to make my infurious boots?

i also have a greater trophy of conquest but that's for head/chest/legs

[jolly sierra]

eeeemmmm

[surreal barn]

What’s yer spec?

[light estuary]

sub

already got the 2pc tier btw

[jolly sierra]

thought u got a trophy for free from the quest

for the boots slot

[light estuary]

i used it for shoulders though

[jolly sierra]

ah yeah

[surreal barn]

It’s not a bad choice @light estuary

[jolly sierra]

right

then u need to buy another one

[surreal barn]

The best? I think the jury is still out on BiS

[light estuary]

there's no more quests for them? gotta spend 700 conq :/

[surreal barn]

I too spent 700 on the shoulders this week >.<

[light estuary]

ah i guess it would be my biggest upgrade anyways: 424 > 450

[surreal barn]

I haven’t been glad I maxed out leatherworking since this patch

Finally comes in handy for me

[jolly sierra]

hm

well

buy a honor trophy

and u are good

im using my boots with a spark of ingenuity rn

[trim arch]

Yo SS is best way to learn how to play PvP long queue is a problem but not a reason to delete this mode lol

[trim arch]

@jolly sierra so how about 4cp test for sin? You did this?

Should I sell my set items?

[jolly sierra]

tested it and did like 3k+ dmg in dummy in ptr

raz is doubtful about using it as i asked him yesterday (has 4set in retail)

imo keep it in bank if u dont have 4set yet

and just go versa mastery meanwhile

maybe dmg is more w crimson tempest but dunno, the % increased by 2set for that is like 10% in pvp :/

[trim arch]

Sounds like shit

[jolly sierra]

yeh

but raw dmg is still nice

its something lol

[low cape]

i got 421 lfr tier gloves, is it worth it to equip 2 set with them or is the loss of stats too much?

[lyric onyx]

141k evis in a shuffle feelsgood

[jolly sierra]

meh use it meanwhile

[spring bough]

i dont think i can play without gloomblade now. i dont understand how it can crit for 70-80k lol. just got another 74k one on a hunter lol

[jolly sierra]

seems like sub doesnt need buffs anymore

[trim arch]

Seems like sin need nerf

[tawny kestrel]

[jolly sierra]

dont give them ideas

[spring bough]

anyone been playing without secret tech?

[potent pivot]

think quite a few ppl have been playing without it

[spring bough]

want to try and use fade to nothing w rotten build but feel like i cant get it with secret tech

dont want to give up gloomblade lol

[potent pivot]

i really don't think we need fade to nothing or cloaked in shadows tbh

already have pretty damn good survivability with 2x vanish+cdr+TB

[spring bough]

there just sometimes i get that burst from an evo and im just gone lol

[waxen meteor]

Cloak

[jolly sierra]

once i got a 242k pyre

[spring bough]

there just too many one shotters around lol

[surreal barn]

Howwwww

I tried so long on a dummy

That’s pretty damn close to a hunter too 🤦‍♂️

[spring bough]

idk i just spam it out of dance lol

[surreal barn]

So that evo burst is tough. I swear it 80-0 me. If you can be ready with the feint it helps so damn much

Hard to time it literally happens in a couple secs

[jolly sierra]

u need luck against them

[surreal barn]

At that point maybe use a spore cloak haha

[jolly sierra]

to avoid being 1 shotted and have him being fkn useless instead

[tawny kestrel]

its not hard to avoid

jsut press cloak on their cds

[jolly sierra]

is dragonrage?

[tawny kestrel]

yes

[jolly sierra]

gotcha

btw, have the cloak with every char but the warr

[surreal barn]

I’m embarrassed to say I don’t even know the cd on dragonrage

[jolly sierra]

pretty noticeable

[jolly sierra]

me neither lol

[surreal barn]

2 mins, lines up nice

Lasts 18 secs tho maybe cloak and GTFO

[jolly sierra]

yeah

pyre cast inmediately in dragonrage too

[spring bough]

messing around w this dark brew build with gloom. got a secret crit for 115k kill shot lmao. 209k evis too

gloom avg crit about 30k

[surreal barn]

Big numbers

[glossy sky]

Is outlaw of assassination the stronger BG spec?

[potent pivot]

probably kinda similar, but i'd say assa tbh

[sharp sierra]

74k gloomblade?

My main problem with sub is feeling like i never have time to rupture, sometimes even SnD. I’m always using my cbs in evi or ST when it’s up 😒

[potent pivot]

run Premed

and the builds we're starting to use press Rupture less

once you have 2p and run Rotten you don't really take Dark Brew or Replicating Shadows

so you just Rupture in downtime mostly

[spring bough]

i dont really rupture too much. just focus mostly on evis and CB secret techs

[sharp sierra]

Yeah i was trying the rotten build today. I don’t have any tier since today is the first day i was able to actually play a little since 10.1 dropped. But i’m just in full honor gear. Had to get used to opener so used ti the other one where after CS and a ambush you were max combo. Now i need ti cheap shot symbol and then backstab then from there i was kidney then dance evi some ambushes cold blood another evi.

Tier the same way ti get? Grab conq gear and then use sparks to upgrade to tier?

[potent pivot]

you get 1 free piece for hitting 1600 rating

[spring bough]

gotta wait for catalyst in june to turn conq gear into tier so get them vault prayers ready lol

[sharp sierra]

Really? That’s kinda cool. Random piece? Is there somewhere i can like see each reward for rating?

Another problem i’m having is deciding weather to main lock or rogue. They’re both my favorite classes. I’m definitelt a lot better at lock (probably because casters are a little easier to play on top of lock being ridiculous lol) rogue is my favorite play style but i’m just not good on them like i used to be before i quit back in wotlk lol.

Unfortunate.

[spring bough]

you are able to pick any of the tier pieces but its one and done with that free piece for the season

[sharp sierra]

Ahh okay, thanks.

[worldly girder]

is sub/enhance good in 3s?

[spring bough]

oh yes it is bursty burst lol

[spring bough]

this boomy did overall 23 million more damage after 6 rounds and lost every round

0 clones 0 stealth 0 cc just zug

cant wait for boomy nerfs lol

[turbid sparrow]

What conq pieces are priority?

[surreal barn]

MH Weapon first

[jolly sierra]

u cant just zug, u need to zug and then zug

[pearl dune]

How do we smoke warlocks

Playing assa but is everyone still sub?

[jolly sierra]

a pve rotation won't save you without doing something else

[spring bough]

wish we could add players to a list of people we cant get in a solo shuffle with LOL

two back to back lobbies with this zug zug warrior barely made it out 3-3

[jolly sierra]

thought ignore worked w that

[spring bough]

nah trust me i tried

then u just get stuck in a lobby w someone and u cant see their callouts lol

[jolly sierra]

:l

fuck then

u need to endure and wait for him dropping cr

[sharp sierra]

warlocks die?

[sharp sierra]

the amount of cleave damage boomy does is ridiculous.

[rose wigeon]

is 4 set worth running for sub in arena

[potent pivot]

think so ye

[rose wigeon]

might give it a try, i mean crit nerfed in pvp but its still extra dam on evis

[potent pivot]

crit dmg is nerfed in pvp but the 4pc gives you some of that crit dmg back

so the crit nerf doesn't really affect the viability of the 4pc at all

[jolly sierra]

ppl discussed here and said it worth the use

[sharp sierra]

mastery still what were maxing out?

[prime zenith]

Where are you guys pulling builds? Drustvar?

[jolly sierra]

murlok.io

[prime zenith]

Any recommendations for videos on how to play secret tech? I'm pretty new to sub pvp.

I saw the palumor vid but that's really a one shot vid

[jolly sierra]

palumor i think

still consistent even how i dislike him xd

[potent pivot]

wherever possible yes

[potent pivot]

i mean, that should show you the basic rotation ye?

[jolly sierra]

crap using warrior is disgusting af

i swear im just capping chests and is still an alt

but fuck look at this in a round which took like 30 seconds against a hunter