pvp

[crimson basalt]

Are these tier pieces?

[wintry dew]

Yes

[crimson basalt]

And you got helm and chest?

[wintry dew]

Chest from vault, then picked up the head with the 1600 token

[crimson basalt]

Noice

But why helm if you had token

I’d go for a piece that doesn’t have mast and go for crit or somethin

[harsh steppe]

1600 token?

[crimson basalt]

Yeah 1600 token

Draconic

[harsh steppe]

what’s that

[crimson basalt]

Free tier set

[wintry dew]

Draconic token of mastery season 2

Once you reach 1600 rating in any bracket or kill the last boss is the raid in heroic or 2400(?) M+ rating

[crimson basalt]

I wonder

[harsh steppe]

ohhh
must be nice being over 1k lol

[wintry dew]

You get an item you can then exchange for a free tier piece

[crimson basalt]

If you can get 2 set by doing heroic last boss

And pvp

1600

[wintry dew]

No

[crimson basalt]

Oh serious?

[wintry dew]

1 token per character

[harsh steppe]

so nobody knows BIS complete gear for sub yet?

[crimson basalt]

?

[wintry dew]

Probably not

[crimson basalt]

Just told u

Mastery

[harsh steppe]

so where are the best slots for tier two set

[wintry dew]

It didn't matter really, 4 out of 5 pieces have versa i believe

[harsh steppe]

it always matters

[wintry dew]

It really doesn't

I reached 2.2 last season with PVE tier

[crimson basalt]

Legs chest

2 set

[harsh steppe]

ty

[wintry dew]

Isn't legs crit mastery?

[crimson basalt]

Yup

500 mastery

565

And crit

[harsh steppe]

so sub bis =

• tier: legs + chest
• weps: conq dagger + wpvp sword
• crafted: boots
• rest: conq
  is that right?

[crimson basalt]

Shoulders, mastery-vers, life-bound, 90% hp higher increase mastery

That’s crafted

Your wanting to stack mastery

I think

For 4 set

[harsh steppe]

so sub bis =

• tier: legs + chest
• weps: conq dagger + wpvp sword
• crafted: boots + shoulders
• rest: conq
  is that right?

[harsh kiln]

what boots?

[wintry dew]

Infurious probably

[crimson basalt]

Legs, chest, hands, and head

[crimson basalt]

I’m positive those can be mastery or changed to mastery

I think I saw someone with mastery boots like that unsure could be wrong

[harsh steppe]

wait we are doing 4 set now? i thought it was just 2

[crimson basalt]

For 2 set < preferred those until weeks pass by and able to get 4 set, u want what I listed

[fathom dew]

How are 2 set sub Andy’s doing in solo rn

[crimson basalt]

Tbh

Rogue rn have crazy burst

So they should be doing good rn

[fathom dew]

Got 2 set last night the burst is def insane

[crimson basalt]

It is

R u rotten build?

[fathom dew]

Ofc

[harsh steppe]

so sub bis =

• tier: legs + chest + hands + head
• weps: conq dagger + wpvp sword
• crafted: boots + shoulders
• rest: conq
  is that right?

[crimson basalt]

Nice

[fathom dew]

Still learning rotation but it slaps

[crimson basalt]

Possible my right for now until I get more info

Your wanting to stack mastery, mastery is big but you want more agility too

[crimson basalt]

Oh it’s straight up easy

[harsh steppe]

ok ty

[crimson basalt]

Kidney healer, cheap kt, spam ss, tech ss, evis, ss, ss and ss

[fathom dew]

Do you symbols in stealth then SS kidney?

Then dance?

[harsh kiln]

symbols second ss if anything

[fathom dew]

Drop premed for weapon master with 2 set right?

[minor cape]

lucky for getting tier from vault

🫡

wish i also got it

rip

thanks for 3 haste items in vault blizzard

😭

[fathom dew]

Def got lucky in vault and immediately pushed 1600 in 2s 😂

Wanted to join in on the fun

[crimson basalt]

What no

Wtf

Premed is amazing

[minor cape]

nooo

[crimson basalt]

You lose out on a lot of dmg

[minor cape]

you drop the shadowstep thing

[crimson basalt]

Yeah

Also adskay I check the shield thing out

Nvm i was off

[minor cape]

yeah i tested and still play it

[crimson basalt]

Nice

[minor cape]

with thiefs bargain this talent is INSANE

[crimson basalt]

Yeah

I’m tryna figure out what i run vs what

Disarm, smoke bomb, duel, shadowviel, bargains

It’s just a lot of it is so good

[minor cape]

im experimenting with leaving bargain baseline, that 6% dam doesnt matter at all

[crimson basalt]

But faster cds

[minor cape]

for what you get

[crimson basalt]

Which is good tho

[minor cape]

i literally get blades almost every go

[crimson basalt]

Bargain thief’s and leave a trace is so good

[minor cape]

and vanishes

[crimson basalt]

Shadowdust

[minor cape]

they just get back so fast

its insane

[crimson basalt]

Yeah

It’s just genuinely perfect

Are you running shadow tech

Or no

[minor cape]

secret tech?

you mean

or that energy thing

[crimson basalt]

Secret

Tech

[minor cape]

i do

[crimson basalt]

The talent

Aoe

[minor cape]

its huge

[crimson basalt]

400k tech

Highest I hit

[minor cape]

i never managed to do it

but i get 350

which is still insane

[crimson basalt]

Mines rng

[minor cape]

[crimson basalt]

It feels

[minor cape]

always was like that

sometimes huge hit sometimes no

[crimson basalt]

Ye

[minor cape]

btw i now drop bomb too in some matchups but might be wrong honestly

[crimson basalt]

I do too

[minor cape]

like when there is a warrior against me i can just go cloaked dismantle bargain and warrior wont be able to do shit the whole round lololo

[crimson basalt]

I’m thinking that

But the most tilting thjng ever is

When you kidney healer, and cheap war and do a go and they get chaste into a fear, it’s tilting when they hold ps and pop it when I do blades

[minor cape]

🫡 well what can we do

good thing they wont have enough cooldowns for all your huge goes lol

[waxen meteor]

sometimes i reallllllllllly hope teammate can push down the HP a little bit more

sub is doing good in 2s and 3s i feel

[crimson basalt]

It is

Very much so

And surprisingly

Solo shuffle

[waxen meteor]

solo really depends on lobby and skill level

like if there's a warrior and dk keeps ruining stun dr

would be dumb as fuck

i had to keep yelling at beginning don't stun kill target

then dk open with a 2s stun

[hidden dome]

I hate the direction they are taking pvp in

Destros no longer needing to cast

MM no longer needing to aim shot

Frost mages just spamming instant casts

All ranges just being constantly on the move 24/7

[twin burrow]

shadow raid: legends is fine

[hidden dome]

I'm sure raids shadow legends has more in touch pvp devs

[crimson basalt]

The thing is tho

Imagine if pvp devs listen to one persons opinion and change it

That would go to shit

As a community having multiple complaints help

Because it could be a 1200 player complaining about rogue being busted when it does noodle dmg and they are unviable, or healers are busted, etc

Yk?

[trim arch]

But he’s take about 24/7 ranges on the move is true

That shit was balanced for them

But now u can’t escape from stupid mage who just spam glave

MM has strong dam and a lot of mobility

Rdd feels like melee now but much better

[jolly sierra]

fuck i hate how true is that

just start spamming cyclone randomly

[minor cape]

weird take

but okay

[minor cape]

1200 player when he trinkets a sap and dies in a kidney: 😡😡😡😡

[waxen meteor]

Marksman seems to be complainign a lot now

well overall i think hunter is complaining

[minor cape]

mm is like pretty bad

tho

[waxen meteor]

i heard overall even the r1 marksman is trying pve random dps talent now

since the 'standard pvp' doesn't work

at least with random dps talent, they have a shot for super dmg for win

[minor cape]

mms burst is still thicc tho

🤔🤔

honestly its just the thing where mm dies in 2 stuns

when sub was really really bad in 10.0.7 there were still two targets it could easily kill - ele shaman and mm hunter

now its just mm

that dies so easily

[jolly sierra]

1200 player when goes behind the pillar and backpedals when is about to die: 😠😠😠😠😠😠

[waxen meteor]

i think you can kill all hunters now

bm is also easy target

[crimson basalt]

Depends

Get sac it’s Gg

[unkempt vine]

Why not conq claw OH, or the Wpvp OH Mace?
I would also add crafted ring.
wPvP wrist and Belt will stack more mastery and was common in season 1, but those could also be future crafts as well to stack even more mastery.

[minor cape]

they posses hidden knowledges of disarming mages

🙏

[wintry dew]

@jolly sierra PvE component does indeed proc on the dummy but thats a below 80k shield D:

im being lied to

[unkempt vine]

Or you didn't take 170k damage in 10 seconda

[wintry dew]

wat

Thats not how shield procs work

Goes below 30% health --> 172k shield procs, (pve ofc, nerfed in pvp)

[keen dune]

Anyone here hit 2100 in SS yet? I feel like it’s been way slower than last season. Like my mmr got completely reset and I keep consistently winning 4/6 -5/6

[surreal barn]

It’s slower for sure

[crimson basalt]

It’s slow, some@of the cr is iffy, 12 points per win

Imo

But also depend some

Mmr

[unkempt vine]

I'm not familiar with your details thing, just saying it maybe isn't showing 170k absorbed because you didn't take the damage 🤷‍♂️

[chrome schooner]

healing done by a shields on detail is what is effectively absorbed, not its initial value

[wintry dew]

let me try again

[chrome schooner]

like if you proc it, take one hit from the dummy and move away, it'll show 20k or whatever the dummy hits for

[wintry dew]

Seems like am a total asshole and cant figure out things by myself, thanks @unkempt vine and @chrome schooner .

(i hit the pvp dummie first to see if the shield would be nerfed or not but it seems the nerf only works in arenas and bgs (?))

It actually buffed the shield since i got the Ilevel increase from being in pvp combat

[unkempt vine]

Ya, but it will nerf in rated PvP (not sure about random queue).

[wintry dew]

(i got hit until the shield got blown up, so thats the total value of the shield)

[unkempt vine]

PvP is also notorious for inccorrect tooltips, so you have to watch meters for truth sometimes.

[wintry dew]

Thanks!

[unkempt vine]

Someone was saying the mastery enchant was giving them like 6% mastery also probably wasn't in rated pvp when checking 🤔

[crimson basalt]

I’m looking at the enchanted mastery weapons

Might have to run

But is that preferred over Sophic devotion?

[jolly sierra]

love that meme

[minor cape]

prolly sophic better

cause its HUGE

its 2000 agility thats insane

[jolly sierra]

still think is weird in your case, what about going a skirmish and play as usual?

then check details for the absorb

i always do that with items when im unsure about stuff or testing

[pale storm]

I won 5-1, 4-2 and then next match was 3-3 and didn’t gain rating from the 3-3
They definitely changed the way mmr/CR works this season and I think they said something about it because of how high people got s1

[unkempt vine]

I regularly didn't get rating with 3-3 in S1.

4-2 often 0 rating as well.

[jolly sierra]

weird

maybe is capped?

[minor cape]

should we discuss how mmr and cr works again

[jolly sierra]

but think they will need to explain later

[unkempt vine]

It's all about MMR of who you are playing.

[jolly sierra]

ask venruki

[crimson basalt]

Kinda figured

[minor cape]

any eu kings up rn?

[jolly sierra]

lemme buy the bread and ill be up

ppl forgot so i have to go xd

[minor cape]

kek

i need to do some worst gamemode ever

for spark

the epic bg

[unkempt vine]

Rated Battlegrounds is better

[jolly sierra]

eeeeemmm dont think can join u

unless is rated

[minor cape]

i mean yeah but need to search for group

[jolly sierra]

if u are ally F

[minor cape]

im ally 😦

[jolly sierra]

😦

[unkempt vine]

This is why I have 2 rogues on each faction 😅

And yet, 0 tier in 12 vault boxes 😭😭

[wintry dew]

I've been getting mine from the satchel you get from the 1500rep quest with the new rep

[wintry dew]

Same but they both 2/4 this week

[minor cape]

im up for rbg tho

[twin burrow]

@elfin oasis

[elfin oasis]

Theirs no more cushion when you go 6-0,5-1 etc, if you go 3-3 the following match its like +10ish

[minor cape]

normally

3-3 is +0

other results only depend on ur mmr

[elfin oasis]

last season if you went 6-0 then 3-3 you got +30-40 almost guaranteed, thats no longer the case

[jolly bear]

hey so have we came to a conclusion about if The Rotten is the best talent set to take now for pvp?

[potent pivot]

If you have 2p then yeah pretty much

[jolly bear]

I don’t have shit

been working all week

[potent pivot]

Then you can either play it to practice using it until you get 2p, or just play a regular build

[jolly bear]

ugh yeah I’m just gonna switch now so I don’t have to learn later

good thing I updated my WAs already

switching to The Rotten is gonna mean I can’t do this anymore though

never forget

[jolly sierra]

ill check while im taking sun

need 20m per day per 6 months cuz i lack vitamin xd

maybe can try something in merc

no, we cant f a guy was complaining about being unable to queue w his void elf wife in random bgs

[twin burrow]

why arent the FWs queuing XD

[sharp sierra]

Pve is boring as fuck but i may have to do ksm for the mount.

Mount is pretty 🔥

[jolly sierra]

@wintry dew just did a skirmish with a 437 cloak and triggered the shield

are u sure is not triggering?

[sharp sierra]

I haven’t been able to play since 10.1 dropped. Everything still work the same? Get conq gear turn it into tier pieces?

[jolly sierra]

dampening is faster

conq gear = tier pieces since june

[wintry dew]

As soon as i log into my rogue ill try it out

[sharp sierra]

Just making sure no big changes since i haven’t played but about an hour since 10.1 dropped.

[jolly sierra]

hmm are you in eu, right?

[wintry dew]

i am yes, but will have raid soon on my main rogue 😛

[jolly sierra]

kk

if u are up later tell me and we can duel

[wintry dew]

(inb4 i realize i was proccing the shield and i just didnt understand how)

[jolly sierra]

we can do that in outdoor tho

[wintry dew]

oh we can do it rn

[jolly sierra]

ah rlly?

[wintry dew]

yeah quick quick i can :3

[jolly sierra]

come to valdrakken and tell me ur char to inv

[wintry dew]

Royalflux-grimbatol

[jolly sierra]

fuck a skirmish, im inviting u fast

[wintry dew]

np np

[jolly sierra]

target is not friendly

hmm

i have another trick

wait

[wintry dew]

costum premade? xD

[jolly sierra]

yep

[wintry dew]

group name?

[jolly sierra]

fuck i cant with auth

wait

[wintry dew]

i can

wait

"panda join here please" xDD

[jolly sierra]

ah

where

lol

[wintry dew]

costume pvp

[jolly sierra]

doesnt appear

wait i have another idea

cross faction

join in custom pve

azure chambers or whatever is called

in hc

auth doesn't allow me to put names

azure vaults is called in english?

[wintry dew]

♥

[jolly sierra]

fuck is hard to do cross-realm

[wintry dew]

it is D:

[jolly sierra]

np at least we know how to if we wanna met in outdoor lol

[sharp sierra]

!fuu

[lethal roost]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[waxen meteor]

i got 0% haste

17% crit, 85% mastery, 36% vers

[minor cape]

i got 82 but no shoulder yet cause not enough conquest

[jolly sierra]

i noticed warriors are going mastery haste now

after reset

[waxen meteor]

you don't need conquest for shoulder

why conquest

[minor cape]

cause i crafted boots

[jolly sierra]

u can get a cheap ass honor trophy instead

[minor cape]

and i dont have trophy

ahhh id rather wait

than waste spark

[jolly sierra]

me neither but bought a honor one

still works

[tawny kestrel]

the spark isnt wasted, u can always recraft it

[jolly sierra]

yep

maybe that is the reason to them to make honor trophies

to act as a filler

[waxen meteor]

i think i will do craft cloak for dh

sub i might skip cloak

do we have mastery boots somewhere?

[jolly sierra]

im crafting 4 for all my chars

cum boots are w mastery

[waxen meteor]

k i wait for test result 🙂

[jolly sierra]

a

nonono i won't test it

are you sure you are not crafting infurious?

[waxen meteor]

no i am not

i am still using s1 crafted boot now

[jolly sierra]

hm

think u can still use them

[waxen meteor]

yeah

[jolly sierra]

got 1k6 w my ret and a juicy 2set

goal 1/3

[minor cape]

have you seen

outlaw has been buffed on ptr

and now blade flurry cleave damage is also added to the main target

thats pretty cool

[jolly sierra]

sounds like vanilla flurry

not pun intended

[tribal badger]

GM actually does damage

but u need to maintain SnD now

unlucker

[trim arch]

Played today with 2cp set as assa and it’s sucks. ~3% bonus dam overall

Shadoflame enchant does more dmg

[jolly sierra]

crap

i wanna get the 2set too

but i'm pushing now

[glossy linden]

Gladiator skin for mount is 2k?

[jolly sierra]

2k4

at 3s

[glossy linden]

Oh damn lol

Can’t get in 2s?

[jolly sierra]

no

[glossy linden]

Well fuck

Rbgs?

[harsh steppe]

what are the shoulders i need to craft

[arctic prawn]

lmao t2 set bonus on outlaw is omegalol

1.8k damage procs

180k overoll over 7.8kk total

lmao

[austere thorn]

Can u link buffs pls

[jolly sierra]

only 3s nothing else

[minor cape]

i saw it in a video

[austere thorn]

Or u talking about the grand melee thingy?

[minor cape]

so cant link

[austere thorn]

Is this payback for the other day when I said inc outlaw buffs but it was a lie?

[minor cape]

they just made it so when you press blade rush you also "cleave" your main target

[austere thorn]

F

[minor cape]

it wasnt a lie

🫡

but next patch is far away

and they promised a rogue rework or some shit

still cool for outlaw to have kind of a burst cooldown i guess

[austere thorn]

They promised rogue changes not a rework and I bet my left nut its gonna be something stupid pve related to pick pocket or that aoe stealth bs u just watch

[minor cape]

😢

[jolly sierra]

would be funny to see

[tribal badger]

BF not BR to be clear

and it also increases the aoe dmaage BF does

[austere thorn]

"Shiv now increases the range of Pick Pocket by 5 yards and Pick Pocket does no longer require stealth.
Beast Mastery: all damage increased by 5.8%."

[tribal badger]

basically GM makes BF a 10% damage amp to primary target

and 10% more damage to all other targets as well

(50% > 60% cleave)

just making GM not useless but gunna miss the leech a bit

man there was just a fury warrior in my devoker lobby @jolly sierra

the lobby was

spriest devoker BM fury

the poor guy got bullied all game

0/6

[jolly sierra]

OOF

poor guy

at least im not a furry warrior

and playing arms

[tribal badger]

this pvp talent

feels very reasonable

against 1 melee class lobbies

i feel so bad for that warrior

[jolly sierra]

dude i have a devoker here

is just assblasting the ret

[tribal badger]

yea devoker damage is pretty silly rn

this is what most of my rounds look like

if they decide to huddle up on the pillar deep breath > Drage > breath is an ez 300k dps

[jolly sierra]

4-2

[half portal]

So what is the better spec atm for rogues in pvp, sub or sin

[jolly sierra]

sub

[half portal]

What is the build, I have 4p max heroic tier atm

[wooden flume]

What's the point of the crests of honor if it still requires you to use spark gear and spark gear can just be made into 450 gear?

[jolly sierra]

dunno im assa lol

[jolly sierra]

cuz u can priorize another stuff for conquest

like another mastery ring

[wooden flume]

But sparks are super timegated

Why waste a craft on honor gear

[harsh steppe]

are these the shoulders you guys were saying to craft?

[wooden flume]

Maybe I'm smooth brained

[half portal]

My brother in christ

[potent pivot]

yo wtf

[last jasper]

ahah

[jolly sierra]

got this beauty w my warr

[half portal]

Windows + Shift + s

[jolly sierra]

1800 conq fuck

[potent pivot]

xunamate links you directly to RMT boosting site now??

fucking

whatthefuck

[jolly sierra]

cuz is still ok, the embellishment is still strong

for example w my rog i did sporecloak w honor

[wary spire]

Yoooo

[jolly sierra]

and then bought a conq mastery ring

[wary spire]

I was using scissors!

[half portal]

[jolly sierra]

having both mastery and versa rings from this season

[wooden flume]

But you get free conq trophies tho

[harsh steppe]

can’t, out of town on vacation on a shitty laptop that only allows one program up at a time

[jolly sierra]

not for cloaks

[wary spire]

I can now do screenshots in a form of a peepee!

[jolly sierra]

say hyper my laptop is even shittier and can take screenshots normally

cuz seems he have me blocked wtf

[harsh steppe]

anyways are those the shoulders i need?

[potent pivot]

they are kinda meh

but if you're using boots that give Agi bonus then that's prolly the best bet

for rn

[harsh steppe]

i’m using the crafted boots

[potent pivot]

the ones that give agi when you stun someone ye?

[harsh steppe]

i think so?

[potent pivot]

ya

[harsh steppe]

ok i’ll get those shoulders then, tysm

[potent pivot]

np

[jolly sierra]

my eyes

[potent pivot]

when we get more sparks you can try slimy boots+toxic patch later on

don't think they're the play for sub tho tbh

[jolly sierra]

well

people is using the shoulders w mast actually

[potent pivot]

ye that's what he was asking about

[jolly sierra]

in sub at least

think in assa is shit

but in sub can be better used cuz scaling

[potent pivot]

scaling is kind of a meme

[wooden flume]

I'm too scared to craft anything. Sparks too scarce

[jolly sierra]

which spec are u playing rn?

[potent pivot]

sub can make more use out of them because of instant dmg and trying to kill in stuns etc

[potent pivot]

you're better off just spending them for the power increase

you will have enough later on to craft the "BiS" even if you crafted something that isn't 100% optimal

[wooden flume]

The embellished boots are nice but I don't want crit 😦

[jolly sierra]

but which spec are u playing

[potent pivot]

stats

[jolly sierra]

so we can advice u

[potent pivot]

are not that important

[wooden flume]

True

Outside of primary

[potent pivot]

compared to +500agi when you need it

[wooden flume]

Fuck it

I'm doing it

[potent pivot]

but if you don't play sub

[wooden flume]

I play sub primarily

[potent pivot]

ah

[jolly sierra]

sub

meh

[wooden flume]

1728 in 2s gigachad

[jolly sierra]

got the boots

[wooden flume]

with healer

[jolly sierra]

that is a safe bet

[spring bough]

is elv ui not working for anyone? just logged in, have it enabled and nothing is working lol

[potent pivot]

have you updated it?

[trim arch]

How the fuck I supposed to kill this lock?

[jolly sierra]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

alt + f4

wait for next round tho

oh u are russian too

[trim arch]

You saw nothing

[jolly sierra]

@minor cape U HAVE A FRIEND HERE

jk

emm

are u playing in pillar?

[spring bough]

yeah its 13.32 from the site. idk what it was i just unclicked it reloaded and reenabled and it was fine

[potent pivot]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

who knows lol

add ons be weird sometimes

[jolly sierra]

recently for me WA is locking my bar

and i needed to reload

and is up to date

[trim arch]

So anyway cloak sometimes suck. Especially then she’s triggered and monk used he’s bubble on you

[jolly sierra]

yeah is not a bubble

just a moment of grace

to make u be saved

most of time ofc XD

[potent pivot]

healers have to learn to track it

if it gets popular enough, some ppl will start tracking it

[jolly sierra]

i used it in my ret when i was getting trained

and saved me time to use heals on myself

[trim arch]

Yeah this think that absorb damage but it’s not fine when it used in your cloak

2 coooldoowns in 1 burst

[minor cape]

ayo where

[jolly sierra]

oof

[jolly sierra]

vanchese

[minor cape]

why

[spring bough]

anyone look into any benefit of rocking 2p / 2pc for sub pvp? saw the pvers saying its BIS lol

[minor cape]

he disarmed a mage???

[jolly sierra]

he come from russia too

[minor cape]

im not from russia

[jolly sierra]

OOF

fuck

[minor cape]

ive never even been to russia

[jolly sierra]

im dumb

[minor cape]

🥹

[jolly sierra]

what the

[trim arch]

[minor cape]

i just speak russian

[jolly sierra]

im leaving this

[minor cape]

🫡

[wary spire]

Comrade adskaya!

[minor cape]

ДИЗАРМ МАГА

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/hasta-la-proxima-float-fly-gif-14857954

now is the right one

fucking loading gifs

[wary spire]

ПОЧЕМУ ТЫ ДИЗАРМИШЬ МАГА

[minor cape]

НАДО

[jolly sierra]

love this fkn chat

[potent pivot]

it's not bis in pve, at least it shouldn't be anymore

[potent pivot]

let's not do this

[minor cape]

sure

2p is certainly bis for sub pvp

[jolly sierra]

yo no espanol

[minor cape]

in pvp

[potent pivot]

he said 2p+2p tho

[spring bough]

must have not understood what the sub channel was going on about then

[potent pivot]

like old season 2p

[minor cape]

ooooh

thats kinda weird

🤔

[potent pivot]

it was going to be bis until 4p was buffed

but, 2p+2p is the play in pve UNTIL you have 4p

[spring bough]

got it

[potent pivot]

for the most part

[jolly bear]

lol

[minor cape]

like s1 2p wasnt even that good for pvp in the first place

some people didnt even run it

i did tho

[jolly sierra]

im impatient for testing assa 2set

but seems vancheese already said its crap

:l

[minor cape]

sadge

[trim arch]

I can show you if you need

[jolly sierra]

in a duel?

[trim arch]

Just need few min to turn on pc

[jolly sierra]

sure

to see if worth to use 2set or just push lazily for this week

[minor cape]

how is assa feeling overall

is it playable

[jolly sierra]

for me feels ok

[potent pivot]

i mean it's just passive dmg increase, should def be worth really. might not be as good as subs tho ofc

[jolly sierra]

at least

the dmg even untouched its nice imo

[potent pivot]

ye

[trim arch]

It’s fine but not as good as sub

[minor cape]

just want to oneshot some of those in a duel

[spring bough]

how does 1 cast of secret tech hit 30 times

LOL

[jolly sierra]

if u are up i can inv you and u can test that

i won't move i promise lol

[minor cape]

im not up already

[potent pivot]

both are fine

[jolly sierra]

kk

[minor cape]

got to go to work in 7 hours

[jolly sierra]

ah gotcha

[spring bough]

we just opened on this DK i bombed and dude was dead before bomb was up lol

[jolly sierra]

nice

[spring bough]

1 cast secret did 500k

[jolly sierra]

wtf usually are 300k

[potent pivot]

@half portal check out murlok.io to see the most popular talent picks, but for sub especially with tier set you play Rotten

[jolly sierra]

how did u got 500k in a cast

its a good idea to cap 2 pvp chests and a lfr one w my alts?

still thinking using 3 alts and a main is too much

[trim arch]

2 min with dummy

[jolly sierra]

eeeeeemmmmm

[trim arch]

shadowflame enchants almost 3 timees betteer

[jolly sierra]

hmmmmmmmmm

[jolly sierra]

seems like, but think is still not bad for something u can use without compromise too much ur gear

like using both tier chest and head

also u have crimson tempest benefitting tho

the doubt is about 4set too

shadenox said its crap

dunno how accurate is that

[jolly sierra]

what the heck

[trim arch]

wanna testt 2cp with shadenox build

[potent pivot]

what is this?

[jolly sierra]

the marked thing

is rupture nature dmg

[spring bough]

dk pets maybe it hit? idk

[jolly sierra]

ah fair enough

[trim arch]

2 tier set dmg marked

[potent pivot]

mm

[jolly sierra]

thinking in testing the 2set after 1k6

[potent pivot]

it's still just extra dam

[jolly sierra]

but for now im just passively pushing

btw, the shadowflame wreathe seems to be very good

[half portal]

With 2pc for sub, do we play double dance or ER?

[potent pivot]

You always play double dance, but you can play both iirc

The choice is ER or Alacrity+Deeper Strat

[spring bough]

did 238k to the DK himself and the rest was on army of the dead still a huge hit lol

[trim arch]

crimson build from Shadenox

[potent pivot]

That’s ST on a pvp dummy ya?

[trim arch]

yea 2.5 minutes

[potent pivot]

So it’ll do a little more total when you’re cleaving in actual matches

Doesn’t seem that bad IMO

[trim arch]

for me it's bad cause i get spd shoulders from vault and doesnt play this build to much

[potent pivot]

Should play it more

[trim arch]

but shadenox build has 60k dps wwithout burst consistently then build from top 1 sin rn does 40k without mark

in solo target ofc

[potent pivot]

This comment does not make sense to me

[twin burrow]

Get van cheezed

I realized today how essential acrobatic strikes is for me

[jolly sierra]

ah so was for that XD

going w assa to shuffle, rbgs allowed me to play less SS

but this guys just will play twice per week, so im done xd

[spring bough]

77% mastery pretty decent in arena or should i get more somehow? lol

[jolly sierra]

hmmmmmmmm

are u will all ur mastery gear?

[lucid citrus]

you can get more

[last jasper]

could be more. I have 86 with conq neck

[spring bough]

shoulders and gloves out cause of tier in those slots. maybe switch to the mastery sword as an OH and then im locked on boots with the crit / vers ones embelish

[last jasper]

Ideally u should switch shoulders for chest. Later on

[jolly sierra]

mastery sword seems to be a good option rn

for OH

still miss when it had 1.80 speed F

[lucid citrus]

why not mastery mace? has more mast?

[spring bough]

i just have the bloody token one upgraded

[jolly sierra]

does it?

[lucid citrus]

me too

[last jasper]

As far as I remember swore has more mast

[jolly sierra]

thought the mace was w int

[lucid citrus]

lol what?

[spring bough]

that takes me to 79.95% lol

[jolly sierra]

ah nonono wait

u are talking about the obsi aspirant one

[lucid citrus]

i have never seen a wpvp item for rogue with int lol

[jolly sierra]

think welinth has it upgraded at 447 or something

[jolly sierra]

the sword i say

a

nvm

why 2 weps w same stats

AND WHY NOT A DAGGER WITH VERSA MASTERY

[lucid citrus]

LOL

[jolly sierra]

[spring bough]

i mean the sword was 1.8 speed which was nice but then they had to change it lol

[jolly sierra]

tbh thought that was intended to be the dagger

but left it as a sword

[spring bough]

well im hope and praying for tier chest on tuesday then i can get some embelish shoulders made in a few weeks

[jolly sierra]

i got the tier chest

but no ranking yet

[spring bough]

i got past 1700 last night w sub but i still get screwed when i try to push in on people like im outlaw lol

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[spring bough]

need to learn to vanish and reset and go hide lmao

[jolly sierra]

too used to outlaw

[surreal barn]

So @spring bough the highest gloom I could get today was 60

[spring bough]

i guess i hit it when im not supposed to with all them rotten buffs up lol

[surreal barn]

I’m guessing a priest buffed you or something

I even did that haha

[spring bough]

would PI do that?

[surreal barn]

There has to be some kind of buff that was on you idk

[jolly sierra]

dark archangel

tho

[surreal barn]

Yeh if he had that it might have happened

[spring bough]

had a 70k one the game after my 80k lol

[surreal barn]

Dayum

With flag I hit a new record today vs a war

160+180+180

92% mastery

[spring bough]

evis??

[surreal barn]

Secret tech

[spring bough]

gd did he just disappear after that lol

[surreal barn]

Yes it was in a bomb

[spring bough]

i wanna try to push duelist this weekend but idk what spec to keep going on both pretty much the same rating rn

cause once i decide thats what im gearing first lol

[jolly sierra]

think u should go sub

[surreal barn]

I fell today trying to get use to rotten. Then hopped on alt and did fine w flag >.<

[spring bough]

im the oppo with that. tried flag fell flat and rotten feels better lol

[surreal barn]

I mean rotten def feels better 100%

But I don’t think I’m in the right mindset for my kills

[spring bough]

im just used to being constant like outlaw and playing flag feels like ight i need to know exactly when to hit this smoke stun dance flag evis and pop off lol

[last jasper]

Every time I try this. Ppl start dying and I try to peel. Burning my def cd for nothing 🥲

[spring bough]

shit that happened to me last night. i was like ight ima vanish reset and we gonna burn this guy when i stun and bomb and by the time i was about to re open my other dps died lol

[surreal barn]

I was playing like that maybe 500 games ago? Gonna take me a minute 😂

[light estuary]

is there a campaign quest to get 2nd shadowflame spark this week? or is it through the epic bg quest reward box?

[jolly sierra]

there are not quests anymore

u just get a shard per week

[light estuary]

where does the shard come from?

[jolly sierra]

malicia stash

[light estuary]

is she the npc who gives epic BG quest?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[light estuary]

and then the reward gives you the shard?

ty

[jolly sierra]

np

[last jasper]

Since I don’t have 2set. What is the point of rotten with 2set? Putting gloom inside dance or am I missing smthig?

[pale storm]

nothing worse than getting CCd on a go as sub

[spring bough]

get a lot of symbols procs i guess and then bonus dmg for shadowstrike or gloom cause of the symbols procs

[pastel burrow]

alright you smart pvp wizards, for 2s is this decent? i'm not overlooking and missing anything vital?

[hasty holly]

god balance is disgusting rn

[candid steeple]

really weird being a SS on pvp this week

[jolly bear]

is it okay to give up veil of midnight like that AND take sectech with the rotten? looks weird to me I don’t know though

and no gloomblade

[pastel burrow]

yeah im being greedy atm and trying to have sectech + rotten

losing gloom sucks + veiltouched but idk how else to do it but i may have horse blinders on rn

[spring bough]

this is what ive been using and i love it

[pastel burrow]

ill give that a whirl yeah, not having Imp shadow dance feels so wrong to me though

but maybe that 1 sec wont be noticeable in the long run

[spring bough]

honestly feels like its up again after i cast my first two i already have one off cd again lol

[pastel burrow]

ah yea true that actually the cdr is kinda ridic

[spring bough]

playing vigor with that too tho lol

[jolly sierra]

i miss manuv pre nerf

got a frost mage

fucked everybody

[trim arch]

okay so cloak feels amazing

for hole SS match theere i ended 5-1 2cp proc did 1.9% DMG then internal bleeeding from kidney did 2.9%

[jolly sierra]

XD

assa dmg is not too bad

u just need to dot 2 persons

[jolly sierra]

wait did it saved u?

[lucid citrus]

went 3 games and won 3 out 6 and gained 0 rating.. I think imma wait till next week and hope i get 2 set

[jolly sierra]

i still have like 1k6 mmr at 300 cr

maybe if i just win 3 as min i can get something

but fuck hard as rog

question

is safe to stun mages if almost all are using shimmer?

sometimes i abstained to do that cuz regular blink

[spring bough]

If y’all running secret tech do you only cold blood for secret or on evis sometimes? Have it added to my secret tech macro keep going back n forth with putting it on evis too

[waxen meteor]

don't have that many keybinds

my cb is linked with ST

if no ST i will probably have a CB key

[spring bough]

holy hell ripped a 6-0 at 1700 lmao and this was one of the KBs i got 44% in 0.8 seconds LOL

180k in 0.1 seconds lmfaooo

[jolly sierra]

2k4 incoming

[graceful ravine]

40k gloomblades is huge

[spring bough]

im having a blast as sub lol

[waxen meteor]

yeah

Gloomblade at 40 is great

[spring bough]

77k if you count lingering since gloom procs that lol

i guess line up glooms after you get 5 perf and shadow dance ends lol

also thats without veiled touch. dropped that and swift death to pickup first dance and stiletto

[lucid citrus]

how are you doing 40k with gloomblade?

[spring bough]

just rotten build idk lol

what are yall hitting with it?

[lucid citrus]

im trying this right now

[spring bough]

i switched veiled and swift for fist dance and stiletto seems like im hitting more finishers with it

[lucid citrus]

where is swift?

oh nvm

found it

[spring bough]

bro these gloomblade shadow blades crits are wild lol

1812 as sub now finally passed the rival hurdle lol

[jolly sierra]

road to elite

[spring bough]

these enhance boys tho i dont want to face them no more

dude got me in two rounds 50 to 0 in like 1 click lmao

[jolly sierra]

i dont get how tf blizzard let them pass unnerfed

at all

barely a slap in the wrist

[spring bough]

this dude was maintaining 50k dps the last round

he went wild on me lol

he def went way higher than that at points

[frozen gate]

whats best to buy with conquest this week? have main weap already

[spring bough]

maybe a trophy to make a crafted piece

[jolly sierra]

now i feel strong in my warr and ret with a glad weapon

[lucid citrus]

i kinda like the extra energy over subterfuge

[glossy linden]

we still rocking mast/vers oh mace?

or should we buy a second weapon?

[waxen meteor]

It's almost Friday, I am more like... why not wait another weekend to see if vault gives me weapon

[lucid citrus]

i say verse/mast oh mace for now

[jolly sierra]

oh tbh i didn't see almost any weapon in former season

at least as i recall lol

the problem is than i have no conq now F

[glossy linden]

So for sub, we're crafting shoulders and boots right now?

[lucid citrus]

boots

[glossy linden]

seen alot of people doing shoulders too

[trim arch]

A lot of sub does mastery shoulders + inf boots yeah

[glossy linden]

Anyone know the best and fastest way to farm Trophy of Strife?

[waxen meteor]

Mission will give you trophy for shoulder free

[hasty holly]

goddamn rogues are hard to keep alive

saw an assassination rogue that was the death of every round in solo shuffle except the last one

[finite onyx]

what embellishment is good for outlaw? besides the stats on interrupt/ cc

[minor cape]

sub and outlaw are not hard to keep alive

sub can even keep itself alive

[minor cape]

if you run sectech you never ever press cold blood on eviscerate

cb sec tech macro is the way to go

[untold remnant]

Those sectec crit killing blows

JUICE

Or the Rotten buffed stuff

[minor cape]

my man did more dam than a shadow priest

🫡

i noticed that now you may even be top 2-3 dam on sub

in a round

[untold remnant]

Haha, when people don’t respect your cds, round ends so fast you are top with no one below you 😅

I already fear the nerf🦇

[minor cape]

yup nerfs incoming for sure

[untold remnant]

Rogue luckily not named in the 'best classes to main' vid by SkillCapped, but it is named in the 'solo shuffle tier list' moving up to A+

[shell inlet]

do people play outlaw in pvp ?

[narrow tangle]

how do you deal with cleave when playing rotten

[untold remnant]

You force someone's trinket, and try to just lockdown healer in between stun DR. Don't try to out cleave people

[minor cape]

much easier than when playing brew

[untold remnant]

When someone used trinket, it is time for a go with shadowy duel or smoke bomb and hope the numbers align and someone dies in stun

[minor cape]

in cleave you probably wont be the target tho

not anymore at least

if you have problem surviving take thiefs bargain

use shield talent too

[narrow tangle]

makes sense, i guess its just better to go brew when everybody is melee

[untold remnant]

Thief's bargain with the CDR talent is almost a must pick tho. Cuz u can CDR much more often

[minor cape]

i mean, you shouldnt have much survivability problems

in rotten

[minor cape]

dude its so cracked xd

i run it all the time too

[narrow tangle]

i have critical condition called skill issue, i try to do that but most of the time i got trained and do shit dps, all i do is just spread kidneys cheap shots between drs

[narrow tangle]

same

[minor cape]

its normal to have low overall dam as sub

the whole rotten thing is to be aggresive and do goes off dr and vanish aggresively

to try and burst the guy

its hard to train you with all the stuff you have

[narrow tangle]

also should I pick ST in talent tree in rotten, im using a talent tree from a youtube vid

[minor cape]

you should

[minor cape]

dayvaine who is a much better player than me says you need the symbols cdr point

i dont run it tho

you dont really need extended dance, veiltouched, gloombalde, shadowstep cdr

i would rather take stilleto, dance combo points, shield and sectech

also heres why you are so easily trained

[narrow tangle]

i change it often

i take cheat death against enha sham

[minor cape]

lolo thats understandable

anyways, dont take shadowstep cdr

100%

[narrow tangle]

thanks imma try that way

[minor cape]

dont really need veiltouch honestly

[narrow tangle]

i saw a lot of people take it and didn't calculate the math behind it

[minor cape]

the math is you use a lot of rotten with 2p and want your shadowblades to hit more

probably for evis too

anyways im not qualified to know for sure cause im 1.8 trash

BUQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFAAABAAAAAAAESSSikAJSSCkAkkkIJpoIJJFEJlkkAEBAAAA

but heres my build

(switch the 15% speed for wound poison)

[narrow tangle]

btw is there a specific opener with 2p? or do you just spam SS and evis while using CDs according to 2 piece bonus

[minor cape]

running sec tech its cheap healer kidney kill target

shadowstrike sec tech symbols shadowstrike eviscerate

without sectech pretty much what you say but you also cold blood evis sometimes

[potent pivot]

I definitely wouldn’t be dropping gloomblade rn

[tender ferry]

We’re gloomblade bois now

Especially if you’re on The Rotten

Gloomblade + Lingering Shadow will likely be close to your top dam

I actually dropped SecTec. Always hated it

[marble oasis]

i finally got some tier yesterday.
so hopefully going to get the full power of the rotten build atleast without the 4 set.

I agree secret tech sorta always felt a bit cheesy and gigasucked if you was between 6-8 yards because the person moved away just in time for their server tick to update

[fallen wharf]

Good morning/afternoon/evening!
Quick Q - Sub Rogue, dagger main and mace offhand or double dagger? Sec Tech build

[harsh steppe]

dagger & sword

[untold remnant]

Doesn't matter that much I think

[narrow tangle]

what's the idea

[brazen pasture]

As a new rogue entering arena, what spec would you suggest?

[fallen wharf]

Sword?

[harsh steppe]

yes, scalewarden sword has the most mastery

[fallen wharf]

Sub is higher skill cap IMO, but the most fun. Sin is a lot easier, but boring. I have never played Outlaw.

[surreal barn]

Yesterday my clones followed them after I thought for sure they wouldn’t connect, would be nice for some others to comment on this

[fallen wharf]

I'll be damned... so it does

[harsh steppe]

they fixed clones

[brazen pasture]

Does comp have a bearing on which spec is best?

[minor cape]

100%

[fallen wharf]

Very much so

[brazen pasture]

So if im going to play mainly with ele shaman and destro?

[minor cape]

sub

[harsh steppe]

lol love the new name @minor cape

[minor cape]

lol panda has a similar one too now

disarm the mage club

[harsh steppe]

do i invest another 5k honor for a 2nd honor box to get my 2nd crafted item?

[minor cape]

you dont get another trophy of conquest

it was just a week1 thing

and now you have to buy them for conquest

[harsh steppe]

oh ok tysm

[narrow tangle]

i have disc pri retri pala friend, we are going for 3v, which spec should i play

[minor cape]

sub too

[south river]

Double header: do I need to be competent in pvp to be able to earn that green transmog pvp set and what rating do you need for the elite set?

[marble oasis]

nope you just need to earn enough conquest and buy the stuff for the green/brown set

elite is 1800

[south river]

How hard is 1800 if you've never done pvp before? 😅

[marble oasis]

depends on how you are as a player honestly.

On rogue it isn't super easy like it is with Smorc classes but if you're a quick learner and can manage it with practice

the biggest thing for rogue is 100% practice CCing off targets and stuff like that, well that and learning how to survive as a squishy rogue

[south river]

Hmm

Any particular differences/benefits between sub and sin?

[minor cape]

i managed to do it in one season so you can too

[marble oasis]

in my opinion and probably most peoples.
sub is harder than sin by a fair bit.
as you can burn your damage out very easily on sub. and control is more important ready to learn upo your short burst.
sin is much more about spreading pressure and no DRing your kidneys

a good thing to get in the habit of early is if you're running elusiveness Feint is your friend. and Gouge is stupidly strong for how much people forget about it

[minor cape]

sub is better survivability and agressive bursty gameplay and also an insane access to cheap shot which gives you huge control

sin is a dot class

which does a lot of sustained damage

but can burst too

just not as often

also sin basically does damage all the time while sub does it in short burst windows

[south river]

aight thanks guys!

[trim arch]

But not as much as sub does

I dreamin about 120k burst as sin

[spring bough]

As sub had 180k dmg in 0.1 seconds last night it was wild 😂

[trim arch]

60k dps max as sin

[tender ferry]

Sin is rogue on hard mode right now but it really teaches you defensive discipline

I’d argue sin is the harder class to excel with rn

Sub is unbelievably forgiving in terms of survivability atm

Dps rotation is slightly more complex, but barely

If you go rotten build with thief’s bargain and vanish shield and use your cloak/evasion before any vanishes you are probably one of the hardest classes to kill

[trim arch]

Sin about your positioning not just Use 1-2-3 to kill

[tribal badger]

I mean sin should do far more burst in its cd window then sub

sub just does all its dammy in 3 gcds

[trim arch]

For me sin funnier to play because he’s need more macro then over SMorc classes

[tribal badger]

sins burst window lasts like 15 seconds

[potent pivot]

Wdym?

[potent pivot]

Probably sin or outlaw, but if you take the time to learn and practice sub is really fun too. Just a little harder to get a hang of

[tawny kestrel]

not outlaw

u arent gonna do well as outlaw if u are new

[potent pivot]

It’s just easier to play IMO

Very subjective thing ig

[tawny kestrel]

got a lot harder in df

[spring bough]

Outlaw is pretty rough right now but it’s def not as many buttons to push as kyrian outlaw in shadowlands lol

[tawny kestrel]

shuffle in general rn is fking garbage

mmr is too low so even at the highest rating u get these completely useless healers

so any spec that cant punish ppl not using cds

is shit

[tribal badger]

outlaw has no obvious win con

[spring bough]

I don’t budge people as outlaw it’s the long game there. Sub feels way diff any minute a burst could go off and disappear someone

[tribal badger]

its not like sin or even sub where u can figure out ur burst and just go ball to the wall with double vanish/cds in openers and get wins with damage

outlaw has legit zero burst now with the loss of old set

(it already had pretty bad)

[tawny kestrel]

assa doesnt rly have burst either

but ye outlaw is worse off for sure

[tribal badger]

sure but u have a sustain high damage window u can sorta play around

outlaw is like

all the same damage, all the time