pvp

[crimson basalt]

18

And yup

All gone

I was so tilted

[sharp sierra]

This, it’s why i quit wow back in wotlk, played since beta wow. Back in the day pvping only warlords and high warlords got the best pvp gear. Then it changed into like a participation trophy. New raids being cleared day one in LFR chat, pvp gear was free for everyone just play. I miss the exclusivity for being good. And to be honest i’m not even good enough to get the stuff and i miss it

[wintry dew]

To this day i believe i was just lucky to hit 2.2 (2.1 for my first weapon illusion yey)

[wintry dew]

Most stuff was mostly time investment, not really being good, like in classic

Whoever played more hours a day, won

And "back in the day" most of us were students and didn't have to worry about jobs and life and we could just play all day every day with 0 concerns

Most of us nowadays can't put that time investment, so imho the pvp gear being for everyone it's actually pretty fine, if you're bad you won't win anyway. (Unless you are insert busted classes right here)

That's my take on the conversation.

[surreal barn]

I mean the people who can’t hit 1600 will have a much harder time getting their 2 set bonus

At least a 450 one

[odd mortar]

I made a preset

Priest

[wintry dew]

They will either have to wait for the catalyst to be released

Or be lucky

[surreal barn]

I can’t imagine having to get lucky in vault twice lol my luck is shit

[odd mortar]

Instant q and good across the board lol

[wintry dew]

Good luck @odd mortar

Enjoy the fiesta

[odd mortar]

lol

Still gonna play my rogue :p

[wintry dew]

I actually capped 2 rogues this week (vault wise) ((one of them i only did pvp with))

[odd mortar]

With its shitty conq chest

[harsh kiln]

worst possible tier piece i could've gotten xD

[minor cape]

its not actually

🫡

[surreal barn]

I did 2 +1600 but got zero tier on all 3 haha

[minor cape]

cause you will need a crafted shoulder

prolly

and thats a good placeholder for it for now

so you dont have to waste conquest on a piece that will be with wrong stats anyway

and you get tier set

[wintry dew]

I'm actually hyped to see my vault, especially my main rogue's vault who filed 8/9 vaults

And with some luck I'll hit 1600 on my 2nd rogue today and 1 piece of tier will be waiting for me in the vault 😎

[minor cape]

im like 1530cr and need one game to 1600, have to grind it (wait for an hour in queue and play for 10 minutes 😤 )

[wintry dew]

I'm going for 1.6 in 2s on my rogue, with my friend ret. It's super fun since we have go's every one minute

[surreal barn]

Shuffle actually pretty good right now too, the queues still stink though

[wary spire]

On my low rating almost everyone feels op, including me, things are great.

Enjoying it way more than 10.0.7

[harsh steppe]

just finished my boots woot, do i get spore cloak next as sub? or is that for only sin

[surreal barn]

Way better than 10.0.7

[minor cape]

10.0.7 was fucking terrible

[surreal barn]

What a joke

[minor cape]

for everyone except ret and demo

demo is like out of 6 people only you are enjoying the game

and ret was like if you have a ret on your team you good

if not you are fucked

[surreal barn]

I can see how that would be the opposite at low mmr though, a bad ret is so manageable right now

How is warrior after the changes? Notice a difference?

[hidden dome]

Why is revive pet from hunter no longer kickable?

Honestly who at blizzard makes changes like that

It is just confusing

[opal gust]

Just gouge it

[wintry dew]

Rogue one - PvE 418 tier pants,
Rogue two - pvp chest tier

[hidden dome]

I did gouge and kindey it

[opal gust]

Or use blind and swap healer

[hidden dome]

but that doesn't stop him from just recasting it a third time

[opal gust]

Fear off

Sap off fear

Gg

[hidden dome]

lol

ye

My bad

[marble oasis]

i mean kick won't stop it being recast either

[hidden dome]

If I can kick it I can keep the hunter worthless for almost twice as long

[opal gust]

If u play it right u can stop cast for 20 sec

With dance/dr stubs

Stuns

Gouge/blind

[hidden dome]

I had no dance up

[marble oasis]

????? kick is 3 second duration now

[opal gust]

Vanish for dance

If u have vanish

[hidden dome]

Why even change it to begin with?

It is bad enough that they have their root traps and now a disarm

if they let their pet die it is just bad play on their part. They shouldn't get a free kick immunity for no reason.

[opal gust]

Sometimes pets get 1shot in 3s to feral/demo cleave

And u can perma lose game cos they have 200000 stops

[hidden dome]

Ok that is reasonable for 3s

but it makes surv very strong once again in 2s

Which is what I mostly play

But I guess it is just the usual blizzard not caring about 2s

[spring bough]

Y’all sub boys have me fully committed to keep climbing my solo rating lol. 25 off 1600 and gonna keep pushing after that when I get home. Love the burst that it has right now compared to outlaw

[opal gust]

I main sub and i absolutely fuck hunters up tho

Was farming satana the other day and hes like a surv only 2s player

[spring bough]

Deleted a hunter last night as sub with a mage before he even had the chance to hit aspect lol

[hidden dome]

Either I'm doing something wrong our outlaw just sucks against surv. Every game is a struggle

[opal gust]

Watch trimaz on twitch

Hes a friend of mine

Outlaw god

[hidden dome]

Ye I know

he is 2 out of the 4 outlaws on eu with 1.8 rating in 2s

[opal gust]

Im like 1950 i think rn

Gonna go for 2.1 later the enchant looks nutty this ssn

Faced trimaz a few times

[hidden dome]

The enchant looks really good

[opal gust]

Outlaw kinda sucks rn

We just win in damp vs outlaw atm

[hidden dome]

Ye outlaw could use a buff. I will only go for 1.8 and wait for buffs before I push further

[opal gust]

Do u have 2set from last ssn

Its bis this ssn

[hidden dome]

I do still have it equipped

but I'm not sure if I should replace it with conquest gear later in the season

[opal gust]

Dont think so

2 450 items wont give u 40% dmg

[spring bough]

Anyone tried this sub ST build that uses sepsis and flag?

Seen a few people using it looks pretty bursty lol

[opal gust]

U dont use sepsis w it

But ye i did a 300k evis yday

[surreal barn]

Yes

[spring bough]

This the build I keep seeing

One thing I would change is the 5% magic dmg for gloom blade

[opal gust]

Thats a bad version of it

[spring bough]

It’s one of the ST pve builds looks like they tweaked it a little

[opal gust]

With this u can hit 300k crits

My max is 320 evis and 298k ST

[spring bough]

I still haven’t been able to come around to playing without vigor feels like no energy without it lol

[opal gust]

on a leather

[spring bough]

Might try that latter was doing rotten for a decent amount of games yesterday shadow strike goes crazy with it

[surreal barn]

Sepsis really smacks but I don’t think it’s better than the other builds circulating around here

[minor cape]

honestly i dont get enough energy w vigor

either

so i just play without it

lololo

[opal gust]

U dont need energy from vigor

[minor cape]

other talents better anyway

[opal gust]

Ur sub rogue u need to pool ur energy for ur go

[minor cape]

by going down the vigor tree you loose a lot of good points

[minor cape]

well yeah but idea with vigor is to go sustained damage

[spring bough]

Guess I need to get used to saving energy for big bursts then lol

[opal gust]

U dont have that as sub

In pvp

[minor cape]

i know

[opal gust]

Only when u play replicating and dark bree

[minor cape]

thats why i dont do it

[opal gust]

Thats when u can do 40k rup tick

[minor cape]

Welinth, you dont even need a lot of energy for your go

[opal gust]

But for 2set build u go vigor

[minor cape]

just wait for it to recharge

[opal gust]

Cos u go down to SS dmg

[minor cape]

this doesnt make sense at all

vigor for rotten?

why

[hidden dome]

Are the conquest weapons unique equip?

[minor cape]

you get enough energy for rotten everytime

[hidden dome]

or can I buy 2 of the same

[opal gust]

Bcs u need it to go down to all the shadowstrike dam talents

[minor cape]

and how does vigor help

with shadowstrike damage

🤔🤔

[opal gust]

U can not run it but with this build its best option

[minor cape]

why

i dont get it

[opal gust]

Faster dances back

[minor cape]

and?

[opal gust]

BUQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFAAAJAAAAAAAQgkkIJikIJJIJAJRkkEIJJNEJlIBSCBAAAA this is what every rogue runs rn

If they have 2set

[minor cape]

still need symbols

tho

for double rottens

[opal gust]

Ye its only 25 sec cd

U have it every go

[minor cape]

not saying its bad i just dont get it

will try

[opal gust]

As rotten u wanna go off dr

As flag u wanna do bait goes sometimes with no dance

And do 1shots

Vigor helps get more dances

Since every go u do is a kill go

As rotten

[spring bough]

Pretty much what I was playing last night since I got 2pc it’s hella fun

[opal gust]

Since symbols matches with drs

[minor cape]

i just run old rotten w sec tech

for now

[opal gust]

Thats what i do

Rotten sec tech

[minor cape]

its so good

😤

[opal gust]

Kidney > dance > ss > st > symbols > ss > evis

[minor cape]

rn

[opal gust]

Is rotation now

Or u can ST last global

If u want bigger ST

i prefer fast burst tho

[minor cape]

yes exactly what im planning to do if i get my tier drop

🙏

[opal gust]

Its gonna take getting used to new 2p

[spring bough]

The one thing I don’t understand is why don’t people go subterfuge that’s like 2-3 more shadow strikes and 2 evis off a vanish to help reduce shadow dance CD

[minor cape]

yeah

guess what

[opal gust]

Its my muscle memory to press 4 for symbols

I keep fking it up

[minor cape]

ill macro symbols shadowstrike

😎

into free keybind

[minor cape]

i have 4 for symbols too somehow

at least before i macroed it into dance cause i played rotten whole s1

[spring bough]

Any benefit to drop the dance in the rogue tree for thistle? Or just not worth it for pvp

[minor cape]

nah no way

double dance is best point you got

some people play tea but i never managed to

make it work

😩

[spring bough]

Gonna try that no acrobat rotten build later too. Feels like all these builds do similar dmg just gotta find what works best

[chrome schooner]

has anyone tried the shadowflame patch embellishment ? does that deal anyy significant dmg ?

[wary spire]

Don't you dance>kidney for macab?

[minor cape]

it really depends tho

but sometimes you do sometimes you dont

[potent pivot]

From what I’ve heard it’s not that great

@jolly sierra tested it on PTR iirc

[opal gust]

Oh ye mb

Im so used to first dance

[spring bough]

Gonna def try this later but gonna move some stuff in rogue tree to get subterfuge just so used to it from outlaw lol

[tardy rock]

What second embellishment we getting for sub?

[wise breach]

It's about 3-4% of my damage hitting the PvP dummy

Haven't played any games yet

That seems pretty good to me, I can't see what other embellishments would be better other than maybe Sporecloak in matchups where I expect to be trained

[opal gust]

Mastery

Zen focus or w/e

[chrome schooner]

3-4% indeed sounds really nice

[waxen meteor]

i think hunters are overall fucked this season

[waxen meteor]

320 evis?

[crimson basalt]

I showed them this build no one believed me

:(

[wary spire]

Well

[crimson basalt]

Get tiger set

If not find stats

[wary spire]

Could be worse i guess?

[crimson basalt]

Tier*

[wary spire]

I ALREADY TOOK TIGER 🐅

[austere pawn]

does the quality of crafted items matter for pvp? Talking about the boots

[tardy rock]

Shall I buy the trophy of conq for 450 from vendor? Or how do I craft this I only have the head/chest/legs one remaining

[spring bough]

Nope as long as you got the conq trophy to boost it to 450 can be any quality

[austere pawn]

ok thanks

[waxen meteor]

what you all getting from conquest this week

[jaunty osprey]

i just got a ring lol

[waxen meteor]

how about necklace with gems

[crimson basalt]

I got shit

Well a weapon but that’s it

SHIT WEAPON

:(((

The conq stats are so shit

[waxen meteor]

well i mean what we plan to redeem from conquest poiint

not from vault

[crimson basalt]

Compared to other stats

For rogue

O yeah naw

Absolutely nothing

It’s all and

Bad

[opal gust]

For pvp

U want shoulders

And boots

If ur big brain

U keep 424 boots make ring and shoulders 450

[tardy rock]

How do I get shoulders now?

I need to buy the trophy for shoulders right?

The free one I used for boots last week

[trim arch]

Yes you can buy it for conq

[wintry dew]

Does anyone on your guild has lw with that recipe?

If yes they can easily fulfil it

[glossy linden]

Guys i need help choosing. The helm has haste/vers on it rather than mastery/vers. What should i choose 😛

[lucid citrus]

Is it tier?

[marble oasis]

Yeh anytime it's Lurking it's tier otherwise it's obsidian glad

i'd take the helm so you can get the tier set rolling.
Can min max the stats later in the season and once you've got full tier

[harsh kiln]

what embelishment on the shoulders?

i've no clue what the bis craft items are atm

[jolly sierra]

its very low, tested it in PTR

[last jasper]

there was a free trophy? 🥲

[minor cape]

bruh

no tier set for me

this week

and all the items are haste oh god

fuck this shit

[floral scaffold]

Yeah for anyone getting 1.6cr in rated pvp

[minor cape]

guess ill be the first one today to take tokens of merit

[glossy linden]

So what’s the best crafted gear to get?

[harsh steppe]

boots

not sure about next one but i need to know 2nd crafted too (for sub)

for sin it is sporecloak i believe

[waxen meteor]

ok, i got all crit ones brother

and i played priest just now, the rogue in lobby with 2 tier set

fuck it

[minor cape]

bullshit 😦

how fucking hard is it to put one guaranteed tier set into vault

[spring bough]

That would have been such a nice edition for pvpers. One of the three slots guaranteed tier piece for the first 3 weeks

Now it’s like next 2 weeks pray to Jesus that there is tier or we waiting till June for the catalyst

[harsh steppe]

y’all dreaming 😴

[lucid citrus]

Ohh yeahh that would be amazing

[spring bough]

Need to find a prayer ritual lmao

[glossy linden]

I heard the cloak is too

[minor cape]

can i sacrifice some mouse

or some shit

for tier set

[harsh steppe]

is this confirmed?

[minor cape]

thiefs bargain SO GOOD

[waxen meteor]

and catalyst starts in mid june

lol

this is crazy

[jolly sierra]

relax u are barely 8 days w s2

maybe next week u will get tier

[normal tendon]

any1 know what dis gem is called?

[normal tendon]

maybe :despair:

[jolly sierra]

its a illimited diamond

dunno which one exactly

[minor cape]

which item would you guys buy after weapon?

ring?

or maybe badge?

[normal tendon]

oh is it not buyable?

the illiment diamond

[normal tendon]

i bought ring but i think i shouldve went for badge tbh

[minor cape]

true

[jolly sierra]

u need to put an order with the mats

[normal tendon]

aaa makes sense

[glossy linden]

Why’s the conquest cap 600 this week?

[normal tendon]

i crafted this idk if its worth

[jolly sierra]

tbh im thinking in going for mast ring w conquest

dont think u can fully use that embelishment

90% to keep the mastery is hard as rogue

cuz u will be constantly mauled by another lobby dps

[normal tendon]

i guess for start of round? idk i just straight copied from someone from armory

[jolly sierra]

yeah a streamer said to go like that

try it, but tbh i doubt is a good use

[normal tendon]

also do u think i should insta upgrade it next week to conq crest or its not that big of a difference?

[jolly sierra]

conq what

what i wanna do exactly?

[normal tendon]

like make it 450 pvp item lvl

the ring

[jolly sierra]

hmmm

dunno

[untold remnant]

Damn, I got 88% mastery now with shoulders crafted

[waxen meteor]

You guys all have tier chest

[untold remnant]

Got legs, so got chest with 1600 token

Ye

[waxen meteor]

This discord makes me jealous

[jolly sierra]

i got a chest yeah

[waxen meteor]

Tuesday next week when

[jolly sierra]

but i didnt had tier at s1

so its a fair trade

[waxen meteor]

I would probably craft shoulder as well

[jolly sierra]

u are subs

[spring bough]

Lol they buffed healers rates for conquest/honor on the PTR top comment “so they’ll be done faster and play even less” inc 2 hour ques on off hours LOL

[waxen meteor]

But we have to choose the boot/cloak?

[jolly sierra]

so i think so, but gl maintaining the mastery

u are not forced

[waxen meteor]

Haha yeah

[jolly sierra]

but ppl is picking boots

the other slot is more ambiguous

[waxen meteor]

Well sub survives okay, and I guess it’s mainly for the mastery stat

Normal stat

Not the conditional one

I think conquest and tier both don’t have mastery

[jolly sierra]

that shit scales better at u too

in stat value

so maybe is a sub thing

[waxen meteor]

What’s the conquest ring stat

[untold remnant]

Ye, I think I should buy a conquest token for the boots. Or honor and upgrade it later

[waxen meteor]

The s1 with gem is still quit good

[untold remnant]

Cause I used conquest item on shoulders now and they are on same one

[jolly sierra]

think it has 13 more ilvl with honor and like +26 with conq compared to conq s1 one

so the stat raises a lot

can be useful even without socket

[waxen meteor]

The item is mainly stamina right?

Then some Vers and mastery

Surely higher than s1 ring but is it more than 100?

[glossy linden]

So what we should craft shoulders and boots?

what should we use 1600 token on?

[minor cape]

mastery item

whatever has mastery

but if another part of set didnt drop

dont waste it yet

btw was destro nerfed? it still is soooo cracked

[lucid citrus]

Is there a good crafted ring?

[minor cape]

signet?

probably

[minor cape]

but ye

not sure if its good

[jolly sierra]

lemme see

i'll need to log in to check

wowhead doesn't help too much xd

wait got an idea

[trim arch]

How does this 100% dmg boost for cum boots and shoulder work? Toxic patch is giving only 100% dmg boost for cum boots/shoulders but item transform to embellishment just with stats?

[jolly sierra]

the difference are +150 versa and +70 mastery alongside stamina if you compare ur s1 conq ring with s2 one

the embellishment is useless more than for dup toxic stuff dmg

has not other use, so is usually used in life giving items

[minor cape]

hahaaa goteem

[trim arch]

So I don’t need to craft another item for dmg boost?

[bleak slate]

What embellishments are you guys crafting for Assassination?

If spec matters at all

[jolly sierra]

gratz

[jolly sierra]

im leaning to sephuz and cloak for arena

cum boots with patch in rbg

[jolly sierra]

for the cum boots u need to use patch to make it do dmg

[bleak slate]

Cum boots the slimy ones?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[bleak slate]

I didn’t even think sephuz was even back, damn

[jolly sierra]

blizzard decided to fuck cc boots, so

[bleak slate]

For sure, thought it still might have been kinda useful

[unkempt vine]

Dude, what is that shark profile pic from? it's so cool!

I crafted the mastery when >90% hp, seems to give 1% mastery. All embellishments seem like garbage overall 🤷‍♂️

[jolly sierra]

that is the reason to pick the cloak lol

at least do something

have u noticed this?

dude they added a belt enchant in front of us

[bleak slate]

It’s the old logo for the NHL team San Jose Sharks

[waxen meteor]

what!

cant find it in ah

oh found it

60k gold

[jolly sierra]

in EU it is, by 94k at least

[waxen meteor]

in my server

[jolly sierra]

i'll check the recipe

[waxen meteor]

2* is more expensive lol

[unkempt vine]

Cloak is like a 60k shield, if your getting bursted I doubt it will help anyway but ya maybe better then 1% mastery 🤷‍♂️

[jolly sierra]

cloak is 115k shield

have u used it?

[unkempt vine]

Nerfed 50% in pvp

[jolly sierra]

yeah

that is after nerfs

and is 60%

still asking

have u used it?

[unkempt vine]

I have it on one of my rogues, but havent really paid attention to its use.

[jolly sierra]

i see

[minor cape]

lol what the fuck

[jolly sierra]

yeah

worth like 90k

[normal tendon]

solo q 99 percent warriors and locks tonight

so chill 😄

[wary spire]

2/3 3/3 3/3 3/3 3/3

Jeeeeesssssuuuuuussss

[normal tendon]

whats that

[wary spire]

My last 5 games

[normal tendon]

lol

[trim arch]

tier shoulder but not even close to 1600

[surreal barn]

The shoulder 90% master embellish took me from 83% mastery to 88%

Just from the buff not the added mastery

[minor cape]

what you wearing

how did you get so much mastery

im like 78%

[waxen meteor]

hell i must be doing sth wrong

i am only 60%

ok, in pvp it's 70%

i will swap the chest to blood token one

that will give another boost

[minor cape]

i basically just have those conquest pieces that have mastery, bt pieces that have mastery, infurious boots and shit shoulders

Zeiss, you run some mastery boots?

[waxen meteor]

infurious boots is crit isn't it?

[minor cape]

yes

[surreal barn]

I’ve only done the shoulders on one rogue so far not sure what I want to do on others, I can let you know how it goes haven’t queued yet

I use infurious boots

No mastery

[minor cape]

can you screenshot?

ur gear

[minor cape]

i wear same thing

lol

but you upgraded differently

guess thats it

oooh and you have old necklace

[surreal barn]

New neck

Stupid vault.

New neck actually has less mastery than obsidian blue

[minor cape]

i didnt yet put in neck gems

cause its blue

😩

[waxen meteor]

think it's same in s1

[waxen meteor]

so +70 mastery basically perfectly match with the gem

s2 conquest ring basically upgrades only vers 150 + stamina

[jolly sierra]

YEP

caps

[waxen meteor]

so what do i redeem this week

[austere pawn]

would you use the lfr set item in arena if it gives you 2 set bonus?

[spring bough]

realized i can macro symbols of death and shadow blades on some finishers so i dont have to remember to hit those buttons lol

[jolly sierra]

i got the same ring u were talking about

[waxen meteor]

yeah a good idea!

[jolly sierra]

im pushing w rog this week at shuffle, need the sporecloak

just crafted one w honor now

[potent pivot]

for sub prolly ye

[last jasper]

yo, what should we get as second crafted item cloak?

[potent pivot]

if you're playing mostly sub i don't think you need it tbh

[waxen meteor]

for Sub guys, do you actually use the rupture now?

[obsidian moon]

i crafted this

[waxen meteor]

I feel it's great dmg for real, but the CP and energy doesn't seem to support enough rupture

[obsidian moon]

think its fine

[waxen meteor]

by that i mean if i do a 7* rupture, it's almost certain i will be lack of energy for the go/kidney

[obsidian moon]

rupture does big overall dmg

[waxen meteor]

yeah and takes also 1-2 additional talent points

it just seems to delay the gos

Given one cycle as around 25 seconds.
Meaning we will need to maintain slice and dice (roughly 50% of 7 cp), get ready for a 7cp for the go, do a rupture (another 7cp) and keep like a 80% energy ready

I feel it's a bit hard

if we take out 7 cps out and the backstab energies

the 25 seconds cycle can be very good

When i use the rupture build, it seems so easy I am a bit short of energy or CPs at the correct moment

although i do agree, with just 1 talent point, it can build around 20%+ of my dmg profile

I dropped the rupture talent in the 2s as Rogue Mage, and feel it's just more smooth for my playh

[obsidian moon]

i mean its not good in rm 2s

[potent pivot]

once you get tier set you prolly don't play replicating shadows or dark brew so you will likely rupture less

just kinda outside of dance when farming charges

[spring bough]

playing rotten right now with 2pc. feels like dance is always up and in downtime gloomblade still does well. we were cracking on this shaman. i just hit a shadowstrike and evis and 15% gone in less than a second. kill shot. love to see it lol

[waxen meteor]

I agree, that's for sure

but i am just saying for also 3s

because of the general playing style

[obsidian moon]

in 3s its good

i dont understand why u would think its hard to maintain

[waxen meteor]

agree, once i get the tier set

probably july

just kidding

[waxen meteor]

The reason is as above, for each 25 seconds, i can't have 21 cps created (and energy to create 21 cp) and save around 80 energy for the go

[obsidian moon]

idk

u have blue combos

etc

its not hard

its good for 3s

for overall dmg

[waxen meteor]

good point if i picked echo

i think we are mostly using cold blood now

[obsidian moon]

i mean to me it sounds troll to play without echo

[waxen meteor]

I am not sure, it looks like most here do not go with echo this season

[waxen meteor]

so you go with 6 cp plan

that's also a way

i go for 7 cp

[obsidian moon]

why

[last jasper]

Yea, only sub. So just leave it for ring?

[waxen meteor]

well i am still using some of the davy's cheese move, with 7 cp can do a very good combo

[obsidian moon]

bruh just go echo

blue points count as 7

xD

[waxen meteor]

yeah but it's more about the 2 additional CPs returned from kidney

makes the full move

but i do get your point

[scarlet shell]

unironically, echoing is pretty good

i just need to time my combo points.

[potent pivot]

yeah as sub you either play Slimy boots+toxic patch, or you play the infurious boots+mastery above 90% hp

[waxen meteor]

I agree, i think echo/cb/7th cp are all good way

[potent pivot]

those are the only 2 good combo options as far as i know

[scarlet shell]

it does what it says on the tin

7 combo point all together

now thats a steal

[waxen meteor]

I sort of not wanting to change talent before getting 2 tier set

[scarlet shell]

i only have two talent builds

the rotten and dark brew

i prefer the rotten

[waxen meteor]

I am still using brew now and ready to change with tier set

hopefully it's before june

[scarlet shell]

oh yeah what are we crafting with shadowflame again?

[waxen meteor]

#pvp message

[scarlet shell]

Oh go figure

already crafted the slime boots long time

bc i saw the Nature damage thing and I immediately thought Dark Brew.

[potent pivot]

talents don't interact with items like that :d

[scarlet shell]

son of a...

well at least i get my extra poisons

[waxen meteor]

[scarlet shell]

i honestly thought thats how it worked, but I will just craft a toxic patch item so it can consistently consist.

[potent pivot]

outlaw is the only spec that still has spec talents/abilities that buff items

Ghostly Strike buffs trinket/embellishment dmg

and outlaw's tier set counts item dmg into it's dmg

so good embellishment makes outlaw's tier do some extra dmg

[potent pivot]

ye i mean it's still a good choice either way

[spring bough]

gettin 80k gloomblades feels awesome lol

[surreal barn]

What!

[spring bough]

no idea how lol usually is like 30k

[potent pivot]

DM stacks+Rotten maybe?

if you happened to hit it during Dance instead of a strike or something idk

[spring bough]

crazy that hits more than shadowstrike most ive gotten there is 70k

[main cove]

do we have a sectech vs evisc consensus?

[surreal barn]

Delete this

lol

[exotic dove]

You guys know anything about the Shadowflame Incantation table not showing up? Bunch of people on Sargeras I guess put tickets in for it. Well so they say. I tried finding it cause I wanted to enchant my daggers with Shadowflame wreathe and could not find it at all either

[main cove]

took me a while to find but i definitely found/used it yesterday

[exotic dove]

Might need some clarity from Blizzard then cause so many people are flying around trying to find it right now myself included. Im not going to put a ticket in like others though

[main cove]

would be nice if someone could direct you to it or having a map icon

its out in the field with all the mobs

[exotic dove]

Which Field? Maybe in the process of finding it myself I can help the masses get it as well

[scarlet shell]

Fyrakk assaults are so buggy

[unkempt vine]

Should we actually be switching to shadowflame wreath enchants?

[exotic dove]

I wanted to test it

but if so many people are having problems finding the place to enchant it I might not be able too lol

Couldnt find anything about location on wowhead or google either on it

[unkempt vine]

Theres a few comments on wowhead about it's location.

Does sound annoying difficult to find

[exotic dove]

I did mention the wowhead comment but in general chat they said they been looked at with no luck

[main cove]

enchants also cost like 25-50k so unless its clearly bis i wouldnt recommend it

[exotic dove]

I had a ton of gold and my curiosity got the better of me and I was wanting to try it on Assa dont think it would be good for Sub

[jolly sierra]

it does good dmg when is used double

but dunno if will be too good to use if u have double sophic

[exotic dove]

Yeah I just wanted to test it

if not I would switch back if it wasnt I bought 2

[woven jolt]

It's def a good enchant for Sub, it's just that Sub doesn't want that kind of dmg

Sophic fits what's Sub's trying to do better

[exotic dove]

People are tilted in general chat now so I doubt its going to get found for me to enchant anyway and test

[woven jolt]

1 shadowflame is really good for RBG's tho. If it's procs it can break Vanish and forces cloak on a normal opener

But objectively double Sophic is better

[woven jolt]

The enchanting altar is a random stone right next to the Elite Centaur tent

or well, it was around there when the Fyrakk Assault was in Onh'nara

[exotic dove]

I can check there again

Everyone in the zone is on tilt status right now so I think I might be on of the few looking lol

Apparently there is issues with Fyrakk event as well

[exotic dove]

Does not look to be there now unfort

and they just got rid of the event it seems Ill have to test the new enchants in pvp later

[lucid citrus]

I hate how i go 4-2 and only get 23 rating?

[jolly sierra]

mmr tho

[unkempt vine]

I remember I went 6-0 and lost rating last season. This sounds way better

[spring bough]

50 to 0 in 1.5 seconds LOL

42k shadow strikes and a couple 62k secret techs loool

hunter went ham too

[surreal barn]

First order of business tomorrow after gym is to find out how @spring bough hit a 80k gloomblade

Also, tier gloves let’s go

[spring bough]

i just hit another 70k

lmfao

finally clicking with this sub

[exotic dove]

Looks like Blizzard fix the table thing so I was able to test Shadowflame Wreathe in a Solo Shuffle. Only was one round cause DK left but for assa it actually did well imo.

Have to play it more but with Assa but if it does that well might actually like it over Sophic.

I have the enchant on both weapons

[jolly sierra]

hmmm not bad

[frozen gate]

If my main focus is pvp, should I take tier piece from vault or the gladiator gear

[frank ravine]

that's a super short duration and also a highroll. it will be like 6%

[exotic dove]

Yeah Going to see how it does in further testing just got into another solo shuffle game as Assa second round a DK got insta gibbed by a ret but other rounds it managed 8-11% of my damage but this is only at 1720 mmr range too

It does appear to be proccing off Assa Bleeds and poisons

[waxen meteor]

oh wow

that's super good

[potent pivot]

tier

[frozen gate]

ty

[potent pivot]

ye the wep ench is good

but iirc it breaks stealth randomly or breaks cc? idr

[exotic dove]

It could break stealth but it will only proc on people you have dotted or attacking so it wont break things that you dont have dotted

so cc should be fine like blind gouge sap

For assa it seems good

[potent pivot]

breaking stealth can be detrimental

especially if you're in trouble

so really no matter how good it is, it likely won't see a ton of play

[exotic dove]

possibly I only wanted to try it cause I noticed Assa Rogues using it on the high end of the solo shuffle ladder so I wanted to test for myself. There are still plenty using the other enchant though

[potent pivot]

We could all try to bug report it and see if it gets changed though

(Kinda doubt it will though ((pvp bugs lole))

Yeah I thought it’d be really good tbh but knowing it breaks stealth is just kinda

[sharp sierra]

!fuu

[lethal roost]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[jolly sierra]

i wanna check it more

the shadowflame enchant

ppl is still picking sophic

but shadowflame is the 2nd option

[tribal badger]

well shadowflame is like 100k depending on ur server

so thats prob why people rnt messing around with it

prob not much of a gain over the cheaper enchant anyway

[exotic dove]

^ yeah I had a bunch of gold otherwise I wouldnt have tried it out

Probably drop in price as time goes on though

[jolly sierra]

think commodities are region wide in price

lemme check

yep

are region wide, just checked in undermine exchange

in my server worth 33k

r3

[waxen meteor]

is that important for sub?

is sin good with it mainly because dot triggeres that?

it's 50k here in my server

2* is only 20k

the difference between 2* and 3* is not high

[jolly sierra]

100% unsure tbh

think we need rich streamers using it now

but im staying with sophic

[waxen meteor]

PvP craft we don't have to use 3* materials right?

[glossy linden]

dont think so

question: How do we get an enchanted wyrm's shadowflame crest??

Are they making us pve to craft this stuff?

[jolly sierra]

wut which one, crests?

nah

why do u want a shadowflame crest?

[glossy linden]

trying to craft life-bound shoulders

[jolly sierra]

you need a trophy of conquest reagent

to scale ilvl

[glossy linden]

oh really?

[jolly sierra]

yep

[glossy linden]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/tmpikaboo

are they doing that?

I dont see it on their shoulders

[jolly sierra]

yeah they are

check the other items, has not pvp scaling

maybe cuz a tooltip issue

[potent pivot]

armory tooltips don't show the pvp ilvl ig

[waxen meteor]

shoulder, like Blue Silken Lining etc.

don't think we need those 3 stars right?

[jolly sierra]

nah

just pick a trophy of conquest

unless u pve too, don't think u need it with r3+

[waxen meteor]

First 6:0 this season for rogue yay

[jolly sierra]

nice guild name

[trim arch]

How do you feel assa in 2s? It’s worth it to play now?

[jolly sierra]

i dont play 2s regularly

only shuffle

[trim arch]

and how it feels for you? I played yesterday 1 or 2 shuffles and it was awful with 0-6. Feels like assa has no dmg rn in compression with insane bursts from mages and subs

[jolly sierra]

i didn't played shuffle this week after reset tbh

i'll try after getting my cloak crafted

just did one in former week which i got 1-5 cuz i got a surv and a dwarf in the same match and 3-3 in other one

im just doing spark weekly w all my chars rn

[waxen meteor]

with healer or dps

[trim arch]

I can’t play 2 dps as assa bc I feel my self like creep or hunter pet, who does nothing and dying in 2 seconds :PepeHands:

[waxen meteor]

I feel what you said is true myself

[minor cape]

who plays 2s with assa without healer

[jolly sierra]

me in bfa

lol

but yeah assa is to go w healer

[trim arch]

Me( This is my first season in pvp. I climbed to 1450 in 2s and 1370 in SS and stuck. 2s from reset is about who burst and push saves faster and assa it’s not about fast game( Sub is boring af, but for now it only one spec I can climb with

[minor cape]

assa less boring than sub?

but yeah,.if you play assa in 2s its usually with a healer

disc priest

or smth

[trim arch]

I like classes with DoTs

[minor cape]

a madman

🤯

[waxen meteor]

ok then a 5-1

could sleep well

[trim arch]

And Sub feels like CC bot for now. Your CCs more important for win
And yo bleeds go brrr in SS

[waxen meteor]

sub requires good teammate

and like last season if you got melee blend with noobs

it's super hard

[trim arch]

Just try cleave build for SS that Shadenox uses

To much fun

[waxen meteor]

lol i hope you could explain what that is 🙂

[trim arch]

I can’t copy text from YouTube description

https://youtu.be/Rwg3W0KbxqA

[waxen meteor]

oh i saw lots of people are doing it already

[trim arch]

Hope I can get last 150 point for second tier piece

[jolly sierra]

are ppl going crimson tempest now?

[trim arch]

For SS yeah

[potent pivot]

[trim arch]

With arterial precision feels great

[jolly sierra]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

is not too used in the top yet

but seems they already updated the scoreboard in murlok.io

[trim arch]

Equanimity uses shadoflame shoulders end weapon enchants hmmmmmmmm

I spend 170k for enchants and now I won’t use it on shitty crit dagger

[jolly sierra]

that shoulder embellishment is shit in assa

u will always be below 90%

[trim arch]

He’s uses with shadoflame proc from your attacks not mastery above 90% hp

[jolly sierra]

still bad

even more bad

[trim arch]

Why? I think it’s good if you want more dmg and less survivability

0.1% bonus dmg > a lot of heal from cloak obviously

[potent pivot]

pretty sure slimy boots+toxic patch do more dmg than the shadowflame embellishment though ya?

[minor cape]

they might just be testing stuff

[jolly sierra]

too low dmg

[minor cape]

and not actually playing w that

[jolly sierra]

lemme test again that patch in a mannequin

[exotic dove]

I actually went up against someone with that Sporecloak to day. The shield that procs is over 100k even with the nerf

Doesn't seem like the damp in Solo Shuffle really affects or damp in arenas in general for that matter

[jolly sierra]

nope

i use it w my monk

saved me a lot of times

well wait

look

[trim arch]

How much does it heal in PvP?

[jolly sierra]

shadowflame in mannequin (should be lower in arena)

[jolly sierra]

absorbs like 110k

[trim arch]

1,6 lower then auto attack

Seems legit but cloak much better

Live more > deal more dmg

[minor cape]

now we have multiple things we can craft for sub i wonder which is best

[jolly sierra]

yeah

we need to live more to do more dmg

[minor cape]

shoulder, sporecloak, signet

all seem good

[jolly sierra]

in sub think we can allow that

[minor cape]

sub survives like crazy with those 45 sec vanishes

and cloak

people dont even focus me in shuffles no more

[jolly sierra]

WAIT

THAT IS NOT THE EMBELLISHMENT

IS THE ENCHANT

[trim arch]

I get tier shoulders from vault so game decided for me that to craft

[jolly sierra]

XD

[trim arch]

Double enchant?

[light estuary]

how much did it cost to get your mats and craft of the cape?

[jolly sierra]

why that shit needs to be named similar fuck

need to retest guys

to tell u how shit it is lol

[jolly sierra]

for me costed like emmm

how much is 23 x 300?

everything else is dirty cheap

[wintry dew]

Mine must be bugged because it doesn't proc

[light estuary]

how much did you tip crafteR?

[jolly sierra]

yeah u told me that days ago

[jolly sierra]

10k

[wintry dew]

And it STILL doesn't proc

I'm mad

[trim arch]

Still doesn’t fixed?

[light estuary]

ty

[wintry dew]

Some arenas that my mage dies i just sit looking at the buffs waiting for it to proc

[light estuary]

hmmm does any1 know if Kil'jaeden server would have a crafter that could make that undulating spore cape? it's a US server. Been askin in trade chat but it seems kinda dead

[wintry dew]

Me low health --> cheap death --> dead

[wintry dew]

Provide all materials and tip like 2.5k. someone will eventually do it in public order

Usually crafters don't attend to stuff right away because some people don't provide all the materials and tip stupidly bad

[light estuary]

ty ill try that

[jolly sierra]

im trashtalking hard this embellishment

[wintry dew]

@jolly sierra anyway i got my elite set so I'm done with arenas and can focus on m+ xD

[jolly sierra]

this is all it did in 2m

[light estuary]

@jolly sierrayou liking the cape? what spec you running?

[wintry dew]

I tagged the wrong panda

[jolly sierra]

ran it into my ww monk, tomorrow will do it w my assa

cuz ppl forced me to do cum boots for rbg

in week 1

[jolly sierra]

lol i saw kek

[light estuary]

is cum boots good for rbg?

[jolly sierra]

poor pve panda

[wintry dew]

Cumboots bis PvE!

[jolly sierra]

yeah, hits a lot

[light estuary]

how much dmg does it hit for?

[jolly sierra]

i have it already, but im compromised w guild so need to keep playing w rog

[jolly sierra]

lemme do a quick test again

cuz i was trashtalking the shadowflame patch

[light estuary]

is undulating sporecape just for memes? i dont see any1 using it on murlok.io

[exotic dove]

I wouldnt say its for memes anymore saw someone with it in a solo shuffle I was in and that shield procced for over 100k.

[jolly sierra]

377k in 2m vs 174 k from shadowflame patch in the same amount of time

ofc, u use a toxic patch but is still higher

with a 100% less

nah is not for the memes

ppl is still undecided with the second embellishment

[exotic dove]

Interesting enough Cloak is also vers mastery for stats

[light estuary]

what's the 1st embellishment? infurious boots?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[exotic dove]

Yeah I did boots

[jolly sierra]

seems like players universally agree w that one

[light estuary]

how does infurious boots compare to cum boots?

[jolly sierra]

agi proc goes brr

[minor cape]

for sub inf better

[light estuary]

but outlaw/sin prefer cum? ;D

[jolly sierra]

cum

[exotic dove]

I use Agi boots for Assa

[jolly sierra]

assa still runs infurious

[exotic dove]

Use inf boots for sub too

[jolly sierra]

i just did cum boots cuz my rbg leader forced me to think fast

[minor cape]

so i guess life bound shoulderpads + infurious is meta

for sub

[exotic dove]

For Sub I think so yeah

[jolly sierra]

still don't think that fkn mastery patch is fully used

but u have more mastery value

so

[minor cape]

im gonna buy myself life bound pads

[jolly sierra]

w assa would be something like

[minor cape]

and if i get tier drop next week

and it will be shoulder

im going to fucking cry

[jolly sierra]

"garrote, garrote, no tick yet

stunned, dropped 90% hp, permatrained always below 90%"

pointless

in sub ofc is better cuz u can just start beating w evis

[trim arch]

So it’s worth it to craft?

[jolly sierra]

no

hemorragia interna is kidney dot

so imagine how low in dmg it is

[light estuary]

for crafting items for pvp, do i need the 3 star mats or is 1 star enough?

[trim arch]

Thx a lot. I will craft cloak today

[jolly sierra]

u welcome, you need to live more

[jolly sierra]

1 star should be plenty unless u go pve too

[light estuary]

k and for the 4 slots at the bottom of the craft order, what do i need to put there? been awhile since i used this

[jolly sierra]

the one which asks you for pvp trophies

but u need to put the spark 1st

[light estuary]

k so spark, then pvp trophy, then anything else?

[jolly sierra]

eeeemmmmm

is the cloak?

if is the case, then its done

[light estuary]

for lifebound shoulders

leave the other 3 blank?

[jolly sierra]

hmmm

no wait

do u think in using any embelishment on it?

[light estuary]

yes the 90% hp mastery one

i need to buy this?

[jolly sierra]

then put the embelishment in one of the + symbols

also

u need a stat scroll

to fixate versa mastery

thought was the cloak, was simplier

[light estuary]

need this too?

[jolly sierra]

@wintry dew i have a way to check if ur cloak is broken or no

go to the chained gigant in pvp hub and let urself being beaten enough to trigger it

[jolly sierra]

yes, that is the scroll

[light estuary]

sweet so like this? nothing in the first slot for "Infuse with power" since that's for pve stuff?

[jolly sierra]

that is ok

u can start

[wintry dew]

Will try it later! I know the healing part is working

[light estuary]

ty @jolly sierra for the help!

[jolly sierra]

u welcome

[jolly sierra]

sure, tag me later, im. going to sleep now XD

[wintry dew]

Oh right, it's 9:45am here

[tame onyx]

I did that but procs the pve shield

The pvp on my shaman is around 130k ...so in a rogue mayne 110k shield.

[frank ravine]

has the shadowflame wreathe enchant been hotfixed?

it basically doesn't proc at all for me now, drastically different to last night

on two chars

[minor cape]

what are we thinking about these

instead of infurious boots

🤔

[wintry dew]

Same as going for shoulders

[minor cape]

yeah

first one is shoulders

and the second one is either these

[wintry dew]

With what embellish?

[minor cape]

or infurious

y

[wintry dew]

Mb typo

Infurious is boots only i believe and amazing for sub

The mastery one above 90% is HMMMMMMM

[minor cape]

however

they have mastery

and infurious have crit

[wintry dew]

In the end of the day that won't make you lose more games

[minor cape]

of course

just want to know whats bis

[wintry dew]

And you get 500+ agi every 30 secs

[minor cape]

yeah probably better

than mastery

[wintry dew]

I'd believe so

Before having 2set i had around 80% unbuffed mastery

[odd mortar]

playing all nighter qs

got the day off

lots of no comms lobbies

they are much worse at middleo f the night

[wintry dew]

Wait people use comms in shuffle?

[odd mortar]

they dont pick a target

they go where the healer tells them not too

its hilarous

[tardy rock]

Worst one is calling 1 dps and then seeing them tunnel healer all game

[wary spire]

Worst one is a drood cycloning your kill target.

[crimson basalt]

Unless they cc the healer that’s big

Or see kill potential

[crimson basalt]

Had this happen a lot

[marble oasis]

My biggest one is not letting me sap when i call it 😦 it can be so massive in shuffle

least at lower ratings

[crimson basalt]

Yeah it is

But they go DURRR

[marble oasis]

Me go push button smash face./ hur hu

[crimson basalt]

they break cc :/ to much

I have a warrior who sent dmg into my kidney which was for a healer, ab to blind, and I cheaped the kt and saw him hitting into kidney..

I can set up for ppl, but when they don’t have a brain it’s rough

[tardy rock]

Yeah or when dh chaos nova stun and put whole team on dr

[languid ravine]

idk triple nova sounds like a very good move

[surreal barn]

Who do we call to get blind on its own DR

Since the nerf I think it’s fair

[minor cape]

lost a round this way yesterday

told warrior to go shadowpriest, he says ok and proceeds to tunnel discipline priest the whole game till he is dead

looks like he mixed them up

[twin burrow]

not sure how to upgrade boots 😦

i have a spark of shadowflame

and the conq trophy

[surreal barn]

Post recraft order

Select the shadowflame and add the conq trophy in

[wintry dew]

Can't post recraft

Must find a LW to do it

[minor cape]

i tried to find someone to recraft it but just ended up crafting new ones

price diff is not as huge tbh

like 2k more gold but much less pain in the ass

[twin burrow]

yeah but i dont know how to do that

[surreal barn]

I 5* recraft all my friends they just send the recraft orders to me

[twin burrow]

i go to the AH and try doing things and nothing

[wintry dew]

It's not on the AH

It's on the npcs for crafting orders

[twin burrow]

yeah

ill try again from scratch

[wintry dew]

Honestly you can just craft another new boots. Unless you want to use 424 s1 boots + 450 shadowspark item

I crafted the shield cloak and my boots are still 424

[surreal barn]

Yeah it really isn’t any more expensive

You on tich?

[wintry dew]

I'm EU grimbatol

[surreal barn]

Not my territory 😂

[harsh steppe]

ok so: wpvp sword, sporecloak cloak, rest conq gear, lariat neck, is that right? i already have the boots

gm

[wintry dew]

No lariat

Super hyper mega nerfed

I doubt anyone will be using it rn

[harsh steppe]

ah ok, is everything else correct?

oh wait where are bis tier

[wintry dew]

Sporecloak i can't say much about it

Mine isn't working

[harsh steppe]

hmm

https://tenor.com/view/any-tips-on-what-to-wear-lily-collins-emily-cooper-emily-in-paris-what-should-i-wear-gif-18898550

[wintry dew]

I've seen some rogues neglecting oh upgrade to go for mast vers wpvp pieces upgrades

[harsh steppe]

what about 2 tier slots

[wintry dew]

I got chest on vault and grabbed head from token but i didn't really care about the stats, since head has vers haste

[harsh steppe]

yeah but what are ideal bis