but i do think our build changes
#pvp
potent pivot
jolly sierra
seems like assa will be consistent between the 3 specs, but dunno how will be compared to another dps specs in meta
potent pivot
but like i said i'm gonna test xd
potent pivot
yeh
going for max dps
because what else can you do as assa rn tbh
i really think CT is going to be good especially vs melee
i'd like to mess around with NS snapshots but doesn't seem like it'll be worth it really
trim arch
How do you think should I upgrade my infurious boots or refract shoulders to shadoflame patch?
potent pivot
too many points for +8% dmg on imp garrotes
jolly sierra
don't use shadowflame patch
pls
crimson tempest is being benefitted by tier
so maybe will have more use now
and we can pick it freely even if is not w melee matches, but rather as another bleed
potent pivot
Tbh I think CT is good on its own rn
But I’ve only played a few matches with it atm
jolly sierra
well, tested it in former season and was shit
potent pivot
Just an extra dot, if you can manage to get it off that is
potent pivot
Idk I don’t think it was shit last ssn
trim arch
don't use shadowflame patch
Why 
jolly sierra
Why <:SadCat:860870517825339412>
too low dmg
jolly sierra
Idk I don’t think it was shit last ssn
the dmg was pretty low for 2 targets
potent pivot
the dmg was pretty low for 2 targets
Ye it was just extra dmg
Just harder to play with tbh
Also assa kinda got shit on by nerfs
Pre nerfs CT was pretty good
potent pivot
Am I thinking about something else
jolly sierra
hm
potent pivot
jolly sierra
wtf who did that
jolly sierra
crimson tempest multipliers
potent pivot
Ye I’m talking about assa in general
Like pre nerfs when people actually played the spec
trim arch
too low dmg
For sub too?
potent pivot
For sub too?
There’s almost no difference really
jolly sierra
think it doesn't interact with abilities?
potent pivot
i was talking about end season and now?
I’m talking about when assa was actually popular
jolly sierra
ah
potent pivot
When you still had more healing reduction etc
trim arch
There’s almost no difference really
How many % it does
potent pivot
And just played full rot
potent pivot
How many % it does
Idk I haven’t made one, I just know others have tested on PTR and it’s not great
Atm we either go Slimy boots+Toxic Patch or I’m thinking Infurious boots+absorb cloak
But it’s still not really set in stone
jolly sierra
ppl is mostly going infurious
potent pivot
Just make whichever you think it’s best for you, a more passive dmg increase from Slimy boots+toxic patch or a bit of agi proc from stuns
jolly sierra
think they gonna take the cloak now
potent pivot
Most ppl are prolly going infurious because they don’t know what else to do I think
It’s just an easy “fk it” choice to get some extra dmg now
They’re decent for Sub compared to the other 2 imo
Since sub can actually try to kill in a stun atm
jolly sierra
cum boots are good
if we have more survivability
in rbg for example im using them cuz i can die without losing the match at all
trim arch
Ok last question. Should I upgrade indurious for 450pvp scale or just craft cloak? Idk 424pvp lvl is good rn
Fk this 1 spark in 2 weeks system 
potent pivot
That’s kinda the whole debate atm 
Just do whatever you think is best, you’ll get another spark soon enough
jolly sierra
if u will go assa think u should go cloak 1st
trim arch
Just do whatever you think is best, you’ll get another spark soon enough
I spent first spark on stupid shoulder with extra dmg after CCs 
potent pivot
Ah the melee precog?
trim arch
Yeah
jolly sierra
u got scammed
trim arch
potent pivot
It’s better than nothing tbf
trim arch
It’s deal about 3-5% dmg anyway
potent pivot
You can win games with no embellishments etc rn, just make whatever you think suits your needs
trim arch
And that’s why I thinking about shadow flame patch
jolly sierra
nope
tested it in ptr
the dmg is pretty low
if u wanna go full dmg just use cum boots + toxic patch
trim arch
Idk should I do cloak for sub or no but it’s universal item for all specs
Cum boots?
trim arch
Ok thx guys. I’ll try cloak + infurious boots today
jolly sierra
nice
agile leaf
what if im on a low pop server and no one can craft me cloak
agile leaf
ohh thats universal?
jolly sierra
just in ur server
agile leaf
also still turning in honor for marks/bags?
minor cape
what if im on a low pop server and no one can craft me cloak
they recently gave out free transfers for some dead servers
you should see if yours is on the list
🫡
10k for crafting order is kinda insane
i mean you can put out an order for 100 gold normally and someone will do it anyway
wintry dew
If you provide all the mats
As a crafter i keep seeing people putting no materials in w.o where the recipe itself would cost around 5k in materials
For a 100g fee
jolly sierra
that recipe is rare and expensive
the cloak one
think won't be easy in a dead server
minor cape
i mean honestly they dont have to do anything for that gold
if they have recipe
and there are enough people wanting to craft this
wintry dew
Good old times where lariat cost around 300k on my server at the start the s1
wintry dew
Because only 1 person had it
last jasper
i mean you can put out an order for 100 gold normally and someone will do it any...
I put 10g on a presumably dead Russian server and got it done in 2min max
wintry dew
Rotten i feel it's amazing for cdr
The 30 secs CD reduction everytime you vanish, really good
untold remnant
15 in pvp
It might work in hit and run builds
But last 4 lobbies were all melee cleaves
It's horrible there. Especially with DH/survival who keep you out of steatlh
minor cape
The 30 secs CD reduction everytime you vanish, really good
yup would be too good
it was 20 at first but for some reason got nerfed even though everyone played brew
now its 15
minor cape
It's horrible there. Especially with DH/survival who keep you out of steatlh
when you see a dh running towards you with his sight stay behind a pillar and when he is closer shadowstep sap
but if he has immo aura you have to immediately follow up
untold remnant
I prefer warlocks xd to melees
untold remnant
Rogue performrs so much better with a caster on the team
Cuz people wont'focus u xd
wintry dew
True
untold remnant
Playing Rotten Sectec now, giving that up feels bad for me
minor cape
Rogue performrs so much better with a caster on the team
and you can also give him a lot of space to deal huge dam
trim arch
Anyone tried toxic shoes? Should I switch from infurious boots
magic mason
Hello ! I have question, what is the best spe for Solo Shuffle & 2v2 since the 10.1 ? 😄
wintry dew
Sub if u can play it
magic mason
Ok thank you, what do you mean about if u can play it ?
tame onyx
Shadowflame-Tempered Armor Patch vs Infurious boots? ...for Sub
marble oasis
Anyone tried toxic shoes? Should I switch from infurious boots
streamers that have tried it basically it's not worth it.
the damage is nerfed 50% compared to the pvp specific items isn't nerfed
wary spire
Ok thank you, what do you mean about if u can play it ?
You can screw up your go pretty easily as sub.
I know from experience. ~~
marble oasis
^^^6
can mirror that xD
but it feels so bloody good to delete people when you get all their CDs then just blow them up in seconds
magic mason
You can screw up your go pretty easily as sub.
What is the most common mistakes in sub ? ^^
wary spire
What is the most common mistakes in sub ? ^^
Dancing without purpose.
magic mason
My wife do the same
wary spire
Yeah sounds poetic!
marble oasis
not going into dance with energy is probably the biggest beginner mistake
magic mason
not going into dance with energy is probably the biggest beginner mistake
Ok thank's !
marble oasis
which is completely opposite to assassination where you are always trying to keep pressure and don't need to pool energy this expac.
while sub you need to pool then blow it all in a shadow dance. allowing you to stun/gouge healers while also doing good damage.
it's all practice and you get the feedback if you did well or not just by the damage you output.
wary spire
Also probably running to an enemy team at the start when they're behind a pillar, saping one and opening on another. Still behind a pillar.
Bonus points if you screw up a sap and get a 3 vs 1 situation of your own making.
magic mason
I see, thank's for your advice 😄
marble oasis
pro tip. if an evoker is sitting under a class with AOE don't clear their immunity stacks behind said pillar xD
that's a sure fire way of getting the bonus point Edaniel mentioned
minor cape
if you see an evoker pre shroud run into him and triple sap from behind
take a risk be a man
else if its devastation voker you will have to wait
and he is 99% your main target
untold remnant
Playing Rotten Sectec now, giving that up feels bad for me
Okay, I do think this works well. Now hope I get a tier set item in vault, so I can use the token to get 2 set 😄
untold remnant
streamers that have tried it basically it's not worth it.
the damage is nerfed 5...
So conclusion: cc boots for main stat and cloak/maybe the mastery above 90% hp for sub?
trim arch
So conclusion: cc boots for main stat and cloak/maybe the mastery above 90% hp f...
Cloak work just like in PvE or nerfed for PvP mod?
marble oasis
So conclusion: cc boots for main stat and cloak/maybe the mastery above 90% hp f...
i wouldn't craft anything yet. unless you already have stuff. out of risking wasting a spark. as per the pin
minor cape
So conclusion: cc boots for main stat and cloak/maybe the mastery above 90% hp f...
they arent cc boots no more
but yeah infurious boots
tardy rock
For sub in solo shuffle, do you send kidney on KT or heals?
minor cape
depends
in opener cheap heal kidney kt
then probably kidney heal cheap kt
but it really depends on the situation cause y know sometimes you blind heal sometimes you gouge heal
minor cape
viable too
but if you have mage on ur team for example considear cheaping healer in opener
instead
crimson basalt
Assa would want to run wreath shadow flame enchant, that’s so strong rn it’s good
Just a recommendation for those who play assa and feel like they can’t put pressure out. It helps A lot
wintry dew
Isn't that what crazy expensive rn?
marble oasis
yes 250k on my server for rank 3 lul
tardy rock
but if you have mage on ur team for example considear cheaping healer in opener
Ok I’ll keep that in mind if there is a mage on my team
dull skiff
been looking to get back a bit into pvp again, seeing top rogues playing either with or without echoing, what's the difference and what's the preferred spec for sub?
minor cape
both are viable options choose whatever you like. Upside of er is a little bit of healing from slice and dice
downside of er is you dont get 5% bonus damage from finishers
dull skiff
and probably more "consistent" damage with the ER combopoints?
minor cape
tbh not really
minor cape
pikaboo did play with 7cp before too
evasion plays with 7cp
er is a more popular choice but if you really hate the minigame 7cp ia good too
odd mortar
I dislike echo
dull skiff
and are pvp talent choices still dismantle/bomb/ (duel) ?
minor cape
nop
dull skiff
probably no distmantle vs casters
odd mortar
I don’t think high players with a few exceptions are playing dismantle
odd mortar
I’m playing duel at the moment
minor cape
dismantle is good tho vs arms war, mm hunter
ret too
if its arms warrior i honestly go for cloak + dismantle + bomb
but im mid rated player so cant give advice really
odd mortar
I’m pretty bad as well
Just trying what I see higher rogues doing I personally like dismantle
dull skiff
I think bomb is a must and the other 2 are interchangeable quite a lot
minor cape
yup pretty much
dull skiff
bargain/dismantle/cloak/duel
minor cape
dagger in the dark is allright
dull skiff
cheat vs elusiveness?
marble oasis
i've been changing between
Thief's Bargain fixed
Shadow Dual fixed
Dismantle/smoke bomb/Veil of midnight depending on comp
as sub obviously
wary spire
I feel more comfortable with cheat because it's automatic and I always tunnel vision.
wintry dew
Cheap death + cloak will be huge
wary spire
Yep crafting cloak next.
untold remnant
Probably necessary, given how destro lock and boomie already blow you up and they get tier set next week
Double priest with double life swap in combination with either a destro and/or boomie is just impossible. You can hardly cheese kill someone, while they do so much constant pressure
odd mortar
So you’re going cloak / boots over boots/ shoulders?
odd mortar
Armory isn’t accurate
shut solstice
I sure as hell hope not hahaha
tribal badger
how do u know they queued as law also?
but mastery probably isnt that bad
and both sin and sub use full mastery
tribal badger
is it
tribal badger
i guess, I feel like most r1s winstreak that hard when they do zero to hero runs
shut solstice
I'll keep pushing haste till the internet tells me not to.
tribal badger
ah there u go
was gunna say "the 1 stat that basically no spec is aiming for rn"
shut solstice
trying to not get up and get ready for work. hoping my vault has tier.
I think our tier this season is fine even after the nerf. Anything for a little more damage.
crimson basalt
dagger in the dark is allright
I think thief’s bargain is base line
But smoke is so good too
odd mortar
I’ve gotten a lot of kills in smoke
And I’m very new to sub rogue
I don’t see myself dropping it
rose wigeon
Trimaz only plays outlaw
waxen meteor
if you do kidney + duel it's like 75 energy to cast the macro already
rose wigeon
hes avid about it
harsh steppe
hidden dome
I never wished that before, but the person who made the current iteration of Unholy DK should never be allowed to work on PvP again
tribal badger
hidden dome
I have never played against anything more unfun in my life in any game
tribal badger
are u enjoying venn diagram gaming
where whether or not u get instantly chunked for 30% of ur hp is entirely on the dk to time right and ur only input is whether or not u spend the entire game behind a pillar
waxen meteor
you spoke like you run faster than a dk
simple crest
should open vault as outlaw to try and get a vers/mast weapon for sub? i already have a glad dagger
wintry dew
You could just get wpvp sword i guess
wintry dew
It's only for the mastery
tiny parrot
running glad dagger and wpvp sword myself for sub. the mast/vers distribution is slightly higher iirc
anyone know if vers/mast shoulders with the snare auto attack dmg are 2nd best for sub with the cc boots? seems like all "non-pvp" embellishes are nerfed and the tier shoulders have the worst stats
simple crest
You could just get wpvp sword i guess
i do have the scalewarden mace
waxen meteor
Kalvish is doing the vers/mast shoulder with mastery (90% hp)
simple crest
anyway goal is get tier 🙂
oh yeah, if i have a tier piece ill get that
waxen meteor
oh yeah, if i have a tier piece ill get that
I mean overall off hand weapon impact is low
some other pieces can be more important
like neck etc.
simple crest
alright, ill stick with my upgraded scalewarden weapon and focus on the other pieces.
untold remnant
Kalvish is doing the vers/mast shoulder with mastery (90% hp)
I think I'm gonna do that too. So maybe go shoulders and boots. Or would double 90% mast be better. I don't think nerfed mastery is better than primarry stat tho
surreal barn
I’m either doing shoulders boots or ring boots
If I was assa I’d probs get that cloak but sub survivability is fine to me. I’m even running no vanish bubble and it seems fine
Can’t you just do a lifebound shoulders with versa mastery?
jolly sierra
imo that enchant over 90% mastery is a waste in the class cuz i will almost never be above that amount
ppl just will perma target u
and yeah, u can just craft the item with versa/mastery and doesnt counts as embelishment
it is like 380 mastery BTW
lunar granite
rank1s who never PvE telling people to use slow offhands on subtlety for 2% more mastery is the biggest bait of the rogue pvp comunity
tawny kestrel
rank1s who never PvE telling people to use slow offhands on subtlety for 2% more...
its not as troll as u might think cus u dont do much pve damage as sub in pvp but i get what u mean, theres no reason not to use 2 daggers for pvp
especially if you are playing no ER
jolly sierra
[say gratz]
untold remnant
Does the 2 set also proc the energy of symbols?
tawny kestrel
Does the 2 set also proc the energy of symbols?
ye
lunar granite
its not as troll as u might think cus u dont do much pve damage as sub in pvp bu...
Yes, it's not as bad. The idea is that there is almost no real world difference between the two, but one of them is regarded as "must do/the best"
tawny kestrel
fact is, most pvp players have absolutely no clue how to gear properly and just say dumb shit
like people saying they might go haste on outlaw now
completely brain damaged take
jolly sierra
they doesnt know how to mog properly tho
jolly sierra
usually just take random shit and stays barefoot
minor cape
in pvp
queen geyser
like people saying they might go haste on outlaw now
Was never going to throw on haste gear but your thoughts on mastery gear on Outlaw?
Just something I'm hearing here and there
minor cape
they doesnt know how to mog properly tho
this is facts
tawny kestrel
we should go double dagger anyway?
im personally gonna use a crafted 447 dagger at the end when i get all the gear i want
tawny kestrel
Was never going to throw on haste gear but your thoughts on mastery gear on Outl...
i play mastery on outlaw myself
and crit on the items i cant get mastery
queen geyser
Oh damn, pulling 14k mastery hits or something?
minor cape
but what about crit offhand vs sword mastery offhand?
tawny kestrel
yeah around that, think 17k ish
jolly sierra
what about going freehold and get the versa mastery dagger?
queen geyser
I put mastery on my Horde rogue but didn't fully commit, had some crit mixed in
tawny kestrel
what about going freehold and get the versa mastery dagger?
if u get it 447 from vault sure
jolly sierra
if u get it 447 from vault sure
fair enough
queen geyser
I put mastery on my Horde rogue but didn't fully commit, had some crit mixed in
Did secure this sick DFA kill on a healer right as a DK was gripping me off them though
tawny kestrel
but what about crit offhand vs sword mastery offhand?
id play double dagger
queen geyser
So like, it matters
tawny kestrel
ye
jaunty osprey
raz, how much tier are you playing w rn
tawny kestrel
unless u wanna do 5 +16s or higher to make a 447 mastery vers dagger
tawny kestrel
raz, how much tier are you playing w rn
i have 4 set
minor cape
i hate how i have a sword transmog that looks like a dagger but for aome reason game wouldnt let me mog it
untold remnant
unless u wanna do 5 +16s or higher to make a 447 mastery vers dagger
Only 5 needed? Nice
minor cape
like you press apply and nothing happens
tawny kestrel
the 4 set for sub seems a bit eh tho, cant rly tell the difference
tawny kestrel
Only 5 needed? Nice
ye u just need to get 4 aspect crests which is 5 16s
minor cape
but it would matter in that build where you cold blood an evuscerate
but not worth the stat tho
tawny kestrel
sure but i dont think that build is better unless they nerf secret tech
minor cape
yup thought that too
jaunty osprey
should do the raid anyways for tier
jaunty osprey
ilvl of the tier matters less this early into the season
rose wigeon
anyone tested if the slimy boots are good in pvp? sounds like it has potential maybe more in rbg then 3s tho
rose wigeon
the proc does aoe damage right?
rose wigeon
so it only ST poisons?
jolly sierra
only proc in regular hits
rose wigeon
does the splash of poison damage tho hit more than 1 target?
jolly sierra
just 1 target
tribal badger
no damage embellishments really have appreciable multitarget scaling
only the stat ones
and cowl ig but cowl is awful
rose wigeon
makes sense then
jolly sierra
it has good dmg between all embelishments
lucid citrus
damn unlucky but which of these pieces should i go for?
jolly sierra
but if u use the toxic patch
pale storm
I got tiger legs on one of my rogues and dagger on the other, not the worst. 2 set sub seems so good
potent pivot
wooden flume
Got the tier headset in vault and I have the token for a free piece. Should I take the headpiece even though it's haste/vers for 2pc?
Sub btw
potent pivot
Got the tier headset in vault and I have the token for a free piece. Should I ta...
Yes
wooden flume
Ty sir
I take it chest is probably the move for the token piece?
If I recall it's Mas/Vers
potent pivot
Sure
wooden flume
I'm so stoked. Been waiting for the sub 2pc
potent pivot
If you have a choice then ofc go for an optimal stat piece
lucid citrus
would i take the ring if im going sub?
wooden flume
Such a sick QoL
potent pivot
But just get as many pieces as you can and use em imo
wooden flume
Is 4pc worth getting even with the nerfs?
potent pivot
would i take the ring if im going sub?
The ring?
potent pivot
Is 4pc worth getting even with the nerfs?
I think it will be tbh
wooden flume
I think it will be tbh
Ty sensei
potent pivot
It doesn’t sound great but I think it’ll beat out stats
wooden flume
Pretty much makes crit damage what it was pre-nerf for those spenders
potent pivot
What are the stats on hands/belt
lucid citrus
What are the stats on hands/belt
hands - verse/crit
Belt - Verse/haste
none of them are tier
potent pivot
will that crit dam be more than % of mastery we loose
When you’re critting yes I’m pretty sure it is
wooden flume
will that crit dam be more than % of mastery we loose
Fair. That's why I was thinking 2pc might be the move and that's it, but we'll see
potent pivot
hands - verse/crit
Belt - Verse/haste
none of them are tier
Then prob ring yeah, depending on what spec you play ig
lucid citrus
if you do pve to get the tier piece does it give a tier piece that scales to pvp ilvl or just pve lvl?
tribal badger
pve ilvl
wooden flume
are crafted pvp weapons a thing with the new system?
that scale to 450
nvm. no trophy for wep
tribal badger
yea theyd need to add 4 seperate trophies for weapons so i guess trhey didnt want to
would need one for 1h, caster 1h, oh, 2h
wooden flume
Holy shit...rotten build with 2pc feels nuts. Shadow dance + free symbols rotten SS into actual symbols lingering shadows buffed rotten gloomblade feels ridic
quaint cedar
Raz, if you're still here, have you tried 4pc on outlaw yet? Was wondering if it's worth going for or not.
wary spire
is it even needed for pvp
Yes. If you upgrade your gear with those you can complete more world quests while you're waiting for queue to pop.
strong holly
Lol I'm maining Outlaw this season and Idk even what the set bonuses are
tawny kestrel
Raz, if you're still here, have you tried 4pc on outlaw yet? Was wondering if it...
i dont imagine it being worth it in pvp
its really bad
twin burrow
2set gang
tribal badger
if ur gunna go for any set as law i feel like its gotta be 4set right
2set is actually pretty much worthless alone
unless u can get 2set for free on good statted pieces i guess
strong holly
Maybe I'm not understanding it right, but 2 piece seems great? It's just basically turning timestamps of our damage into a DoT effect?
tribal badger
2set in a perfect world would echo 5% of ur damage yes
which on its own is a rather weak effect
also its not currently happening off all damage instances so its never exactly 5%
and its halved in pvp so only 2.5%
so you have a 2.5% maximum theoretical amp in the form of an 8 second dot
very very weak in pvp. 4set is what makes the 2set actually do damage in pve
strong holly
The "all soulrips" wording of the 4piece is confusing
tribal badger
well yes all damage u cause causes soulrip
so if ur BFing it causes soulrips on the targets ur BFing
for 2.5% of the damage of ur BF
boreal gyro
only the agility bonus is halved in pvp
tribal badger
the 2set isnt halved?
if the 2set is halved then the 4set is halved because 4sets damage is based on 2set
any damage nerf u give to the 2set is directly matched by an equal nerf in the damage of 4set
twin burrow
yeah its halved
my symbols is 3 secs and extends rupture 2 secs
didnt think it would nerf durations
but having a second rotten with high danse stacks gives big SS
its like when symbols used to have cold blood baked itno it BFA legion ?
so now we get like 2 gauranteed crits and a CB in the go
wary spire
Decided to practice my sub. Aaah feels so good!
tiny parrot
Is 4pc worth getting even with the nerfs?
should be - 20% crit is still a nice bump. especially with CB guaranteeing a huge hit
wary spire
Sounds fun!
jolly sierra
"he should be a third class blacksmither or being kicked from blacksmith's community"
tribal badger
we have crafting mafias in the server
yea there was some drama on the server im on
jolly sierra
cuz i said a guy crafted boots for 500g
tribal badger
war between JCs
jolly sierra
crazy ppl
tribal badger
then one guy unlocked his r5 crafts and started to do it for free
jolly sierra
im doing new boots again tho
tribal badger
and all the Jcs banded together to try to get him banned
jolly sierra
yeah that happens
tribal badger
he doesnt post in trade chat anymore cause if he does they all spam report him
jolly sierra
poor of u telling him the name of the crafter
tribal badger
its wild
one of my friends on a very small raiding server didnt have a lariat recipe drop for the first 4 weeks of last season
could u imagine
jolly sierra
stonks
jolly sierra
in my server i have ppl to do lariats and sporecloaks for low prices
and LW for free
but not blacksmithing
so i have to go to wild to get stuff and find mobsters
jolly sierra
what a wild expac
agree, since professions took a major role ppl is just making evil w that
tribal badger
huge
minor cape
queues are gatekeeping my tier set token
😤
i can play 2-4 and still get it but no queues
bruh
jolly sierra
well im doing another ones
minor cape
wait what
jolly sierra
u will see, how ppl will being baited for 420,69
minor cape
panda noooo those are not rogue shoes
fierce crystal
Do we know if check-pvp Cut off was accurate for na? When it comes to r1
jolly sierra
ended founding back the guy which recrafted me the boots for 420,69
what a day
recrafted, fkn mobsters
he told me it would have a chance to pass to r4, i just said to him "nah don't worry i just need to shove this reagent"
then said me "i don't understand but k, here is"
crimson basalt
Do we know if check-pvp Cut off was accurate for na? When it comes to r1
No
Not anymore
It’s not accurate at all, some of my exp and cr isn’t accurate
waxen meteor
very nice, vault gave me 3 options, trinket, crit ring and glove (crit)
1st gem hole as week2
fierce crystal
Hmm ok, want to know what the rating cut off for r1 was
jolly sierra
F for the vault
jolly sierra
got a sporecloak crafter, the gm of my mythic raider friend
surreal barn
3 rogue vaults zero tier 😂
surreal barn
🤦♂️
odd mortar
Sadge?
odd mortar
Neck and Ring are crit
Chest is haste
assuming ill be taking the chest to save on conquest here
and possibly converting to tier
waxen meteor
first vault wants me to quit the game
jolly sierra
F
jolly sierra
i wanna check too
jolly sierra
GRAB 6 COINS
odd mortar
LOL
twin burrow
are you guy backstabbing in dance
odd mortar
is the tier swappy thingy open?
tribal badger
Probably
waxen meteor
I take TOKENS?
Token or chest
jolly sierra
so it looks like everyone upgrade crafted boots right?
think so
potent pivot
so it looks like everyone upgrade crafted boots right?
For sub it seems ok for now
rose wigeon
i lose 10% vers to run 2 set for sub, is that actually worth?
potent pivot
whats the second, is that whats up in the air currently for sub
Kinda yeah. Don’t think sub needs absorb cloak whatsoever
twin burrow
if its preferemce that'd be cool
potent pivot
Kinda seems that way
I think slimy boots+toxic patch are really good for assa/outlaw
Assa can do ok with boots+cloak too I think
twin burrow
thanks, where do we craft , or is it an upgrade/
wintry dew
For some reason i believe the shield cloak isnt really working on arenas
it doesnt seem to proc the shield everytime
and when it does, the shield is like, negative healing
odd mortar
I messed up and upgraded the mace, not thinking about the belt and wrist
dont be me
You wanna upgrade Wrist/Belt from WPVP for sure
And I believe we want tier chest for sure
twin burrow
i got tier chest and shoulders
odd mortar
I think im gonna craft shoulders today and pass on the cloak
waxen meteor
i got tier chest and shoulders
rose wigeon
i have tier legs and shoulders so to use them i lose 10% vers sounds bait af
twin burrow
ur the first person ithought of tarny
light estuary
which 2 tier slots are best for sub? chest and pants?
twin burrow
id say
tribal badger
priest got conq legs, shaman got a haste vers ring with a socket in it
no tier yet but could have been worse
light estuary
or chest and gloves bis for 2piece tier?
strong holly
Another season, another fist weapon that looks like my rogue is going to go play catch with his long lost son he didn't know he had
twin burrow
just dont use that one
shrewd owl
how is sin rogue rn? garbage?
waxen meteor
Rogue took conquest hand (crit one) -> wait for catalyst and sit in bag
DH took conquest head (not mastery one) -> wait for catalyst and sit in bag
Ret took conquest leg -> wait for catalyst and sit in bag
I thought game was trying to let me quit
rose wigeon
how is sin rogue rn? garbage?
sin is solid
waxen meteor
then i went to super casual hunter -> two tier set options and a weapon
i haven't decided to take bow or tier lol
and i am not sure i can make 1600 quickly
shrewd owl
in this caster meta its hard for me to assume
rose wigeon
sub is def better but sin is fine
shrewd owl
i refuse to play sub since i feel like i have to only play with a mage
jolly sierra
im hiding in rbg atm
waxen meteor
I will probably play a bit sin today
rose wigeon
i refuse to play sub since i feel like i have to only play with a mage
sub can play with almost anything
if anything assa is more limited
shrewd owl
i feel assa has more versatility with comps in the long run
it feels like sub gets paired with cheese comps that eventually get nerfed in a hotfix
jolly sierra
think assa will have advantage in late season
cuz now we noticed dampening is going faster
but meanwhile, im going w assa here and hide like a coward
rose wigeon
it feels like sub gets paired with cheese comps that eventually get nerfed in a ...
sub has always been known to be far more versatile in comps lmao, because it offers alot of CC options thats why when you watch pikaboo he plays sub constantly with any class in the game but with a healer he plays assa
shrewd owl
sub has always been known to be far more versatile in comps lmao, because it off...
yea i get you, it feels like sub gets paired with cheese comps every season that you're going to end up having to switch partners every time
rose wigeon
both assas and rogue can play the exact same comps bud
you are looking to deep
sub just has better control which is why its considered more open since you can make comps that dont traditionally work happen
obsidian moon
sub has always been known to be far more versatile in comps lmao, because it off...
pikaboo also playing on 1500
shrewd owl
hmmm good point
obsidian moon
bad example kek
rose wigeon
pikaboo also playing on 1500
bad take considering he has plenty of clips of him doing it at rank 1 ranges as well lmao
weird way to look at it but go off
shrewd owl
in grand scheme of things, rogue doesn't look too bad neither does it look too good, sub might be the move
rose wigeon
play what you like, itll all work out tbh
obsidian moon
what clips?
obsidian moon
bad take considering he has plenty of clips of him doing it at rank 1 ranges as ...
link clip
rose wigeon
it isnt very hard to look, but i really only mentioned him since people recognize him there are countless other rogues you can see
shrewd owl
i agree with @rose wigeon here, pika plays sin w/ healers, sub for mostly anything else
obsidian moon
sub is insane right now
rose wigeon
its pretty common to see sub played in 2s as double dps while assas is great with healers, you could go to twitch and watch almost any major rogue player and see that, Kalvish, Palumor, Pikaboo etc. But that doesnt mean you cant make other playstyles work. Just talking very general in sense of basics
yeah sub is nutty
hasty holly
how much am i being handicapped by continuing to play outlaw
rose wigeon
secret tech does insane pump
rose wigeon
how much am i being handicapped by continuing to play outlaw
quite a bit but several rogues are doing okay with it, you just have to try alot harder and play alot of cc oriented play since its damage is pretty low
hasty holly
damn
obsidian moon
outlaw sucks
hasty holly
are sub and assa’s damage better?
rose wigeon
yeah sub and assa do alot more damage, sub has a burst that not alot of classes can match
hasty holly
damn i might have to learn sub then
rose wigeon
tooltip bug for why evis works but i did this to a druid last night in an RBG
graceful ravine
outlaw is the lowest represented dps spec in arena
there is a reason for that i guess
obsidian moon
ye its shit
graceful ravine
there is more guardian druids and prot pallys than outlaws in top5000
which is kinda funny
rose wigeon
yeah dk is depressing rn
rose wigeon
devs have no idea what they are doing with frost
hasty holly
lol? “frost is winning some games so we wanted to fix that”
graceful ravine
iirc only dk is worse than outlaw atm
hasty holly
is this 2s, 3s or ss
graceful ravine
top5000 in all
rose wigeon
god those are all so depressing
graceful ravine
hasty holly
yeah it’s frost/devoker
combo in 2
it’s the only way frost wins atm
they also nerfed the unholy zombie build but didn’t compensate buff it either so
i’m hoping that outlaw gets a rework, it’s a lot of plate spinning atm to deal subpar dps
rose wigeon
i never liked outlaw because of its RNG aspect
spring bough
moment of truth is there tier in this vault im about to open lmao
we did it boys 2 set already pvp enabled GG
spring bough
RIP gotta do epic BGs for this box to get the spark lol
spring bough
just complaining the one weekly is epic BGs we never win them as horde lol
damn up to 36.9% vers lol
feels like soulrip does zilch in BG lol
wary spire
Im gonna be honest I still don't know what the hell am I doing in half of these epic bgs.
I just kinda stay with the group and finish off hunters pets and crazy warriors.
spring bough
wait it out and win or lose lol
im just here for my 1500 honor to get this quest done then its off to solo w my new cape
languid ravine
devs LITERALLY:
DK is shite, but we nerf it anyways lul
wary spire
https://www.pvpleaderboard.com/statistics/solo/all/#spec
Man these are wild. Top 5000 and 2200+ CR is so different.
jolly sierra
just complaining the one weekly is epic BGs we never win them as horde lol
go merc scum
so u can win faster
languid ravine
Guys whoever says Outlaw is bad doesnt get it
Its currently #2 top
of all Tank specs
jolly sierra
kek
spring bough
yeah im not playing outlaw rest of the week gonna try and get better on sub lol
just converted to this 2pc build in the pve faq ima see how that does lol
frank ravine
what second crafted item are u guys going for as assa?
jolly sierra
cloak
wary spire
I crafted cum boots but then started liking sub more. So I need to craft different boots now fml.
trim arch
I crafted cum boots but then started liking sub more. So I need to craft differe...
Same with infurious for sub
terse flower
:L RIP haste chest and shoulders in vault
trim arch
Guys I need some tips for 2s mode. Never played pvp before this moment and don’t know what to do. I have a feeling that I’m doing nothing as sub in comp with healer just tunnelling my dam
How can I improve and should I try assa in 2s? I like assa more, but he’s survivability sucks and looks much harder then sub rouge
jolly sierra
why you would pick ring or shoulders?
jolly sierra
spec?
wise breach
what do you plan on using for your embellishment?
if you're going to consider shadowflame tempered patch, go with shoulders since it can't go on ring
if blue silken lining, doesn't matter
jolly sierra
cloak is a nice addition cuz u will endure more
shadow tempered patch do very few dmg by itself at r3
blue silken is not too adviced cuz u will almost never use its full power
jolly sierra
you will be almost always drop below 90%
wise breach
Maybe for sub in openers it's not bad
jolly sierra
its like 380 mastery
i have my doubts tbh
imo cloak is better cuz it has versa mastery by itself, heals you above 70% hp and can save you when you are about to die
maybe even saving cheat death cd
but im not you, so chose according to ur own preferences
light estuary
how do we get the cloak?
jolly sierra
craft order
the problem is the recipe is rare
so maybe dropping 5k in public order could work depending of server
light estuary
what do i search in AH to find cape?
jolly sierra
undulating sporecloak
light estuary
ty
torn shore
i got a dumb question. When you're spending your conquest, after weapon, do you go big items such as chest/legs first or go for the small pieces, jewellery, hands, trinkets etc etc. ?
lone rock
is sap cap completely dead? both sap and blind are below time?
@torn shore i typically do armor that would give me agility and mastery
tribal badger
yes sap caps dead
lone rock
damn. did only one get reduced time or both?
tribal badger
both
lone rock
oof
lucid citrus
i got a dumb question. When you're spending your conquest, after weapon, do you ...
I would go for small items and hope you get the big items through vault
jolly sierra
crap just got beaten by 30 min in a row by allies in outdoor
nobody went alone
demo w rsham
then arms w rdrood
then an assa and a fury warr
polar shard
what do we craft after boots as sub ?
jolly sierra
you cant raise weps ilvl to 450
main cove
oops ignore me then
trim arch
what do we craft after boots as sub ?
what are they called this boots
drowsy pendant
what are "cum" boots
jolly sierra
slimy boots
polar shard
cum boots wtf xD
jolly sierra
yeah cum boots
trim arch
yeah cum boots
what is cum boots? Slime shit?
jolly sierra
yeah
trim arch
does they work in pvp?
surreal barn
Some of the pve trinks from raid look kinda nuts, I wonder if any are good in pvp
trim arch
i heard they was nerfed af
jolly sierra
i decided to dub that shit like that cuz slimy is too zzzzzz
yeah it works fine
still high dmg
but with a toxic patch
rose wigeon
do we want to use rotten with 2 set?
trim arch
That should i chose to craft? recraft shoulders from shitty melee precog to shadowflame + infurious or shitty precog shoulders withj cum boots for assa ofc
austere thorn
i got tier chest on vault
should I go for legs (crit +mastery) on the 1600 thingy? Im going full mastery outlaw
jolly sierra
then go sporecloak + infurious tho
austere thorn
i got the legs fuck it
graceful ravine
Don’t worry guys outlaw is saved
jolly sierra
what
jolly sierra
nono for dayv too
was that sarcasm?
also, that tier was very good at ptr
but got nerfed to hell kek
quaint cedar
Yeah it got torched a while ago
Even in pve the outlaw set is mediocre
Now throw a 50% pvp nerf on it lol
Also idk if this ever got fixed but on the ptr the soulrip dot was breaking gouge
So probably a net negative to have it if the damage on it is that low
trim arch
https://www.wowhead.com/item=204706/spore-colony-shoulderguards#see-also what do you think about this shoulders? i want full dps craft shit
keen dune
How bad will heroic tier gear be for pvp? I got two set with heroic gear.
polar shard
after boots what should I craft ? as sub
jolly sierra
https://www.wowhead.com/item=204706/spore-colony-shoulderguards#see-also what do...
weaker than cum boots
graceful ravine
was that sarcasm?
Yea lol
That’s arguably worse cos at least theres “some” value for 15% leech
jolly sierra
lol
spring bough
this cloak is pretty nice too had a 48k heal did 725k overall
spring bough
it might have wasnt really paying attention to when it was proccing
jolly sierra
xddd
spring bough
i think i got it added to an open spot on my weak aura with the right spell id for it to lightup when it procs
spring bough
yup i got that added on lets see if it actually lights up when it procs lol
pale storm
If you get it working, would love to get the weak aura shared here if possible
jolly sierra
sure
jolly sierra
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odd mortar
it feels bad taking conq chest from vault
but I feel like possibly saving conq later will be worth it
jolly sierra
If you get it working, would love to get the weak aura shared here if possible
have you seen it?
spring bough
god damn another 6-0 high 1500s now. sub fun as hell lol
jolly sierra
gratz
waxen meteor
god damn another 6-0 high 1500s now. sub fun as hell lol
rotten or st
spring bough
trying that rotten build cause of the 2pc
but dropped a couple things to pickup secret tech too lol
waxen meteor
not sure how to read it, it looks like tier
waxen meteor
jolly sierra
tier with warr
what the heck
no tier w monk
would be abusive if would be the case
got a crit/vers chest, not bad
waxen meteor
/QUIT
jolly sierra
im fine w this
waxen meteor
Did first win of day honor/conquest get nerfed this season?
jolly sierra
seems like it the same
buoyant niche
For those that are wondering if the Slimy Expulsion Boots + Tiny Toxic Patch is worth in PvP as Outlaw. It did 4.8% of my damage in a 3s skirmish and I just tunneled healer the whole game to stay on target. I'm full mastery build and playing Ghostly Strike in this game as well.
untold remnant
I jinxed it, I opened vault on hunter: no tier, now mage: tier, so rogue will not have it
FCK YEAH, TIER LEGS
cosmic marsh
do we want to craft the ring?
iron spoke
yey i got my self a socket in the vault fml contemplating if i should just buy chest tier set or wait for next week maybe i'll get better luck
graceful ravine
how does this dude have 1000 games played and season been out for a week
when was the last time this man touched grass
languid ravine
I would be more worried about when was the last time he slept but I guess its easier to do the "touch grass" meme for the 13270751284th time
like every well adjusted human being who touches grass on a regular basis
jolly sierra
https://www.wowhead.com/item=39344/slayer-of-the-lifeless
use this against him
languid ravine
lmao
graceful ravine
1010 rds = 168 games
168 x 30 min avg per game (includ queues) = 5k minutes or 84 hours = 3.5 days
the guy spent 12 hours a day playing shuffle for a week straight
crazy
waxen meteor
#True Love
jolly sierra
yep
waxen meteor
Is there a new 'disappear' skill on shammy right?
waxen meteor
what does that do?
jolly sierra
use feint if u are close
the bastard will dig, making him untargeteable
then can run in the floor and do very big damage if he reach floor again
waxen meteor
so it's defensive and offensive
jolly sierra
a
trim arch
So someone played assa with set today? How it feels?
minor cape
too much healing and too much dps
i dont even mind their healing but the dam is cracked
austere pawn
I’m a returning player and the whole tier set thing is not clear to me yet. Do I take the pve Tier hands here or the pvp helmet ?
trim arch
I’m a returning player and the whole tier set thing is not clear to me yet. Do I...
I prefer helmet
marble oasis
So thing to note if they don’t have the tier set information on them.
It’s not tier yet just a normal bit of conquest gear
austere pawn
But can you already get pvp tier set items or only at a later stage?
marble oasis
But can you already get pvp tier set items or only at a later stage?
You can but only getting lucky from vault. or via getting 1600 rating in pvp and selecting the PVP tier from the vendor in zaraken caverns. OR if you can stomach it getting the token from mythic+ also allows you to select
austere pawn
You can but only getting lucky from vault. or via getting 1600 rating in pvp and...
Thanks a lot for the explanation 🙏
frank ravine
i just tried out double shadowflame wreathe on assa and it kinda sucks. don't recommend
6% overall
trim arch
i just tried out double shadowflame wreathe on assa and it kinda sucks. don't re...
Fk I bought it today for 170k gold
marble oasis
-170,000
trim arch
just me with double shadowflame breathe
wintry dew
Does the enchant create an illusion around the weapon?
frank ravine
barely
wintry dew
Sad
marble oasis
The 2100 rated pvp enchant is amazing.
but i understand why they didn't want to just give that away for clicking add to weapon on a scroll
wintry dew
They could add amazing illusions to casual players tho
Only top %s are getting good items and rewards
normal tendon
any1 know what i should take or it doesnt rly matter?
marble oasis
Only top %s are getting good items and rewards
i mean 2100 isn't exactly hard. especially not in solo shuffle.
literally got to have a 50/50 win loss ratio and you'll get it. if it was at 2400 or even 2700 like it used to be i'd agree
wintry dew
2100 is still way above average
I'm not saying i can't do it, (probably can't) since i got 2.2 assa and 2.3ret s1
Buuuuuut
(solo)
marble oasis
and most average players don't actually try to achieve anything.
I'm in the boat of want something call work for it.
That's the main reason i even wanted to get better at the game was seeing people with cool stuff.
wintry dew
That's a lot of "yes but"
Yes but i believe more casual players should have cool stuff aswell
marble oasis
Same sorta thing with the new raiding mount it was meant to be mythic only.
then i saw a guild who couldn't kill the second boss on heroic get it from normal in the first week. sorta completely killed the mounts "prestige" for me as it's purely luck based again.
i mean i'd disagree they don't get cool stuff already imo
but taking away the cool stuff from elite players so they have nothing to work for take their thunder away just so "causuals can get everything" is just bad.
opal gust
I’m a returning player and the whole tier set thing is not clear to me yet. Do I...
Get gloves
hidden dome
Wait could it be that find weakness is bugged for outlaw in duels or something? I just tested and my abilities hit the same or without find weakness on my friend
maybe it was just variance
I will need to test it further
normal tendon
damn im getting 3rd insta pop in a row is wednesday always like this or im just lucky
crimson basalt
I'm not saying i can't do it, (probably can't) since i got 2.2 assa and 2.3ret s...
I hit 2.4k on assa and almost 2.5k on ret, getting 2.4k is Braindead easy, but when continuing into it, it’s such a different lobby
wintry dew
2.4/2.5 isn't easy
Not for casuals like me atleast who usually go rival for the tmog and that's it
DF s1 was my first season where i hit 2.1
crimson basalt
Ret ssn1 was a free legend tbh
Hitting 2.4k was Braindead easy, but pain going against caster cleave
You did sya u almost hit 2.3k as ret, that shows that you almost hit 2.4k as ret
wintry dew
I thought about it, but ret was busted as fuck honestly, and with my rogue i barely hit 2.2, then went down and couldn't climb up
(as assa)
crimson basalt
Oh yeah no, you had to rely on ur team
I hit 2.4k on assa and I went down slowly
I hit 23
Then 22
Then 21
grave pier
guys does this WA still work https://wago.io/Kc3XaAIHi
