#pvp
last jasper
I'd actually wish, they give us smthin new than another dam modifier
last jasper
chatgpt says it does work lol but need to fact check
chatgpt data is based on 2021 or 2022
minor cape
rip in pp
jolly sierra
odd mortar
If I already used spark, I cannot get another until next week right?
minor cape
<:starege:923197272064426075>
assa tears
jolly sierra
assa tears
still dont know wtf im using in 3rd slot against casters without manuv
jolly sierra
If I already used spark, I cannot get another until next week right?
nope
minor cape
still dont know wtf im using in 3rd slot against casters without manuv
DISARM TO DISARM THE MAGE
jolly sierra
rose wigeon
What comps are you all playing and seeing success with in 3s?
cosmic seal
hi, which spec is better to push SS atm ?
jolly sierra
sub tho
normal tendon
worst feeling after 30 min
jolly sierra
according to stats
glowspores price are shit atm
i wasted a lot of time farming them against bots in outdoor to worth 20g each
jolly sierra
a lot of fkn lizards picking them, at least were allies so i would beat them w burst in ret
jolly sierra
what about creeping venom?
wary spire
Nice in rbgs I guess?
jolly sierra
hmmm
simple crest
oh my god. so many people came for me. lol
i finally died to a frost mage, who you just cant catch.
scarlet shell
world pvp moments
jolly sierra
oh my god. so many people came for me. lol
he came on u
surreal barn
oh my god. so many people came for me. lol
Next time you need to call out to us. Rogues stick together
We would have come to your aid
graceful ravine
casual
what is wrong with this image
triple killed the entire team within 15 secs of gates opening
jolly sierra
casual
that screen is like my own, smol cuz it is from a 2013 laptop
i even have desktop icons outside the screen lol
i can drag entire stuff from the corner
waxen meteor
hmm i see 2 of top3 sin rogue in solo leaderboard dropped DTB like the other rogue i saw last time
keen dune
which tier pieces are ideal for sub 2 set? it looks like chest and shoulders?????
cuz everything else that is piece is vers mastery?
potent pivot
which tier pieces are ideal for sub 2 set? it looks like chest and shoulders????...
just focus on getting it in general tbh
we may end up running 4p
keen dune
sounds good
jolly sierra
hmm i see 2 of top3 sin rogue in solo leaderboard dropped DTB like the other rog...
tf are they dropping dragon tempered?
sounds crazy
waxen meteor
tf are they dropping dragon tempered?
I have been a couple of rogues picking up left or right sides
instead of mid (DTB)
My hunter keeps getting dropped games fuck
I just want to farm the weekly vault 5k
jolly sierra
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
waxen meteor
my priest maxed sooner than my rogue
jolly sierra
ofc insta queues
where is raz to spit facts and confirm if assa is still using DTB?
lol
waxen meteor
all i can tell is the sin rogues with left/right side talents, they do great dps
i will swap my characeter to see if i still have the dmg detail
after my 20 mins queue pops
those quitters are so annoying, when they quit, no 150 daily conquest and no honor for valult
jolly sierra
oh i already capped 2+ chests in my chars
think im gonna rest
fuck low win ratios
jolly sierra
think there are not 3k players atm
odd mortar
I remember seeing something where nobody is above 2.4 or something
valid trout
Oo
valid trout
I just want to work towards ss elite this season but rogue feels painful
odd mortar
It’s just so much more fun then lock/mage/warrior 😦
I made a priest but can’t even do bgs, so boring dude
valid trout
Im used to assas / outlaw tho, tried re-rolling sub but it just seems much more complex than other classes that pump easily
yea i like rogue for rbg's
I hit 1900 as outlaw during first two weeks of DF and then they nerfed it, so had to re-roll assas and my rating reset..so i just gave up and switched to rbg's
Don't want to roll a spec that get's nerfed and my rating useless
odd mortar
Yeah idk, I don’t pve or bg so it’s not real fun right now
waxen meteor
I am not sure 3k is even doable now
2.4 is probably not doable now
you gotta have enough games played to reached there from total population
waxen meteor
I had a 1800 game last night with 4 dude riding glad mounts
graceful ravine
potent pivot
https://youtu.be/hstO_IPZvBo
kinda what i figured we'd play especially with 2p
i think sub has a lot of viable choices
just still lacks more consistent dmg
graceful ravine
Vanish cdr and thief’s bargain is crazy synergy
waxen meteor
His rotation is gonna change again with 2 tier right?
In this video he does dance/sigal at same time
potent pivot
His rotation is gonna change again with 2 tier right?
yes
it's still going to be similar, and easy
but yeh
waxen meteor
I still don't know how much increase we have from shadow backstab
Really want 1 pt for vanish shield still
waxen meteor
won't need the shield or shadow backstab?
waxen meteor
what is shadow backstab
potent pivot
gloomblade lol
waxen meteor
yeah but for real, it's just backstab becoming shadow dmg right 🙂
keen dune
I had good success with that palumor build today. Hopefully the tier set does work how we think it will for sun cuz then it will be HUGE
jolly sierra
this guy is sonic farming elite sets
tribal badger
man ele was my fastest push so far
the pressure it puts out rn and how hard it is to heal the random burst
jolly sierra
i know
dunno how is so strong after crit nerfs
that and enh
both are frightening af
nova viper
jolly sierra
hiding in assa
jolly sierra
nope lol
minor cape
https://youtu.be/hstO_IPZvBo
thats the OG pikaboos build from s1
lololol
but no sectech
oh no nvm he changed shit up along the way
minor cape
90K DPS
because this is bullshit
try hitting a dummy with a sec tech build while your 2 dances are active
and see how much dps you get
you get more
and then it drops
and this dude just showed the old rotten and brew builds but without sectech which makes no sense to me
🫡
cause why miss out on so much damage
is there a reason for that?
i just dont see how its better 🤔
but this guy is r1 rogue so he knows better
wary spire
is there a reason for that?
Deceiving the competition. 
wintry dew
I actually think about that a lot. YouTubers/streamers have the power to create a "legit" build that actually sucks ass and people will be copying them left and right, just so they take advantage on that and win easily vs those same rogues
minor cape
well he just says there is NO WAY we can take both rotten and danse macabre if we go sec tech when in fact we can and we've been doing it the whole season 1
you just have to drop some unnecessary talents
like shadowstep cd reduction
and symbols cd reduction
or gloomblade
or whatever
wintry dew
That's exactly the build I've been running xD
minor cape
same
wintry dew
Still, we have no dmg outside of bursts and for that we need setups
Meanwhile shamans/dh/warriors/hunters go BRRRRRR
Oh i forgot uhdk
And demo lock
wintry dew
Yes but if you end up in a lobby with a dps that also doesn't have much burst
minor cape
in shuffle ur fine
wintry dew
It's really hard to forced ccs
My experience so far tells me I'm not fine xD
Barely 1600
minor cape
you basically just need someone to drop the target to 65-70% hp and then you just kill
wary spire
I actually never tried gloom. It was always regarded as a meme as long as I remember.
Why people taking it now? To go through bop?
minor cape
it's good against classes that have physical resistance
but i personally dont really take it
unless going brew
backstabs deal no dam anyway shadow or not lol
wary spire
I have been a couple of rogues picking up left or right sides
Can't find anyone with the right side. How does that look like?
inner tartan
what a good wa for keeping track of pistol shot procs ?
minor cape
wym man it literally is glowing
inner tartan
noo for how many sets u have
inner tartan
and it glow if u have greenwiskers
inner tartan
elvui show it the same for fan the hammer and greenwhisker
untold remnant
These warriors have a hard time xD above 1800 I only got lobbies with at least two casters, which is where sub can shine. The war died in almost every opener
tawny kestrel
u won a game as rogue? ive heard that isnt possible
untold remnant
I have won 4/2 5/1 3/3 4/2 5/1 for the last 5 shuffles
glacial steppe
Which spec and build do you recommend for solo q? My goal is 1800 for transmog
untold remnant
Sub
Get someone's trinket, then cheese them with sectec when they are sub 60% hp
Do sectec then shadowy duel so they take the full burst when not in sight
glacial steppe
OK thanks, I don't have any pvp gear yet so I am working on that first
untold remnant
Watch one of Pikaboo's videos from start of this season, when I saw the combo he did, I copied it. And it has worked wonders
But I'm curious how high it gets me before people stop the cheese xd
wintry dew
Can you explain the cheese or link me the video of you have the time friend?
wintry dew
Thanks kind sir
glacial steppe
Watch one of Pikaboo's videos from start of this season, when I saw the combo he...
Thanks I'll check it out.
Is rogue harder to play and also have more key binds then warrior and dh? I have really hard issue focusing the complicated it is as I have autism, adhd and ocd. i also have lv 60 dh evoker and hunter I plan to get to 70 when the Diablo 4 event 50% exp buff happens, would they be easier and less stressful in solo q? I only max lv who I pvp with right is warrior and it feels a bit more complicated with more keybinds since I got 1800 in s1 bfa which is last I played
untold remnant
But it is something like this: You kidney with 5 CP, or shadow dance with 1 CP into kidney shot. then if you did kidney before dance you evis once, then echoing reprimand, then coldblood/sectec macro, then spam shadowy duel and use cheap shot to restun, vs. orc you will leave a gap tho. Then once you do that and someone doesn't die try to kill them, or you have failed and need to wait for sectec again to kill something, or hope your partner kills something
untold remnant
Thanks I'll check it out.
Is rogue harder to play and also have more key binds ...
Rogue is probably more stressful than warrior/DH. I have not really played warrior, DH used to be more relaxed but also got new stuff this expansion that I have not really played with
I'm playing rogue, hunter and mage atm. Of those, I think rogue is most stressful for new players
wintry dew
But it is something like this: You kidney with 5 CP, or shadow dance with 1 CP i...
I've been doing it right... Without the s.duel part. So if you sectec and then duel you guarantee all hits to go on the 1 target that's it?
untold remnant
Nah, they hits will hit anything regardless: but if you sectec duel, the biggest burst occurs inside duel, which surprirses them and healers
wary spire
People starting to complain about rogues again. 
untold remnant
People starting to complain about rogues again. <:peepo:585741987798581268>
Where 😛
Can I complain about Destro lock in return?
untold remnant
Devastation evokers 🙂
wintry dew
Or ww monks 200k rsk
untold remnant
Well yeah :p
For the last 2 months of S1, rogue was unplayable
You have to do so much, to make a big sectec..
untold remnant
Devastation evoker
Does 161k dps
😄
Last game, 98k dps. And then rogue is 'broken' while being even squishier than that spec
untold remnant
Always, but that's just cuz people hate getting stunned
Which is really, really annoying of course
wintry dew
Or, hear me out, getting absolutely demolished by an enh doing 100k dps
surreal barn
I hope the augmentation evoker helps the queue problem
Will be crazy with them instead of healers - you know that’s how it will be
untold remnant
Meanwhile you play vs destro/boomie/BM hunter and they just lauhg at you :>
So ye, buff rogue kek
copper maple
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/sub-rogue-282k-secret-technique/448133
"wanted to see what will happen if I don’t trinket and I died during stunlock, didn’t understand why my hp bar disappeared like that"
People like that create such threads on wow forum lmao
If I stare at the warrior popping everything while doing nothing myself my hp bar would disappear as well.
untold remnant
Destro and boomie are way better then us
It's over. 1.9k and it's only Boomie's and Warlocks that know how to play
untold remnant
"wanted to see what will happen if I don’t trinket and I died during stunlock, d...
These people should not be the reason rogue gets nerfed
shadow sable
Question, why the freak on silvermoon I have to wait 16 mins for bg as a horde when the server is full OF ALLIANCE
meanwhile on darkspear a horde server I get at 5 6 mins a bg as alliance
crimson basalt
I hate ppl complaining ab rogue
It just shows they lack game knowledge
“I’m 1800 in shadowlands Ik what I’m talking ab! Rogue is BUSTEDDDD >:( NERF THEM!!”
radiant glen
nerf rogue theyre BUSTEDDDD
normal tendon
it actually feels so good with that new build
radiant glen
what new build?
radiant glen
oh
crimson basalt
Or
crimson basalt
Nah
minor cape
rotten for the win
normal tendon
im loving it rn
crimson basalt
Theirs another one too
minor cape
🫡
radiant glen
normal tendon
when we get set
crimson basalt
That includes flag
normal tendon
its gonna be even better
minor cape
this
crimson basalt
Ohhhh yeah
crimson basalt
Rbgs time
radiant glen
brew too btw
hmm?
normal tendon
btw are warriors giga shit or i just have weird matchmaking
minor cape
both brew and rotten are awesome
normal tendon
3rd solo q in a row a random warrior goes 0/6
radiant glen
oooooooh thats what u mean
frank ravine
has anyone here tried the shadowflame wreathe enchant?
potent pivot
has anyone here tried the shadowflame wreathe enchant?
Ye it’s pretty good
As far as I know
minor cape
it drops you out of stealth doesnt it?
waxen meteor
“I’m 1800 in shadowlands Ik what I’m talking ab! Rogue is BUSTEDDDD >:( NERF THE...
yeah pvp noobs hate rogue
they got stunned
they die
they complain
hasty nebula
Does anyone have a script/addon to remove blizzard combo points?
hidden dome
Why and how can Ret stun every 20-30 seconds?
I just took 7 stuns from a ret in a 3 and a half minute match
chrome schooner
HoJ CD is reduced when they spend Holy Power
vocal surge
But by that much?
Ye, 2 seconds per holy power spent
hidden dome
Not when it goes on the healer every time
waxen meteor
that's totally true
only thing is that stun is only 10 yard range
it's lowest range skill from ret
so they do have to freedom + ride to go to healer
maiden quest
shaman survival is absolutely insane
crimson basalt
You know what is OP: FERAL DRUID KEK
Not even close
Broken class rn is lock
Feral is in a good spot rn
Don’t ruin feral due to the lack of beating one
waxen meteor
Feral is still doing massive bleed on everybody?
crimson basalt
Feral has aoe bleeds, still beatable, they ain’t rly broken
maiden quest
Range is broken rn
and feral get brutally massacred against caster cleave
it's a bloodbath
not mentioning turbo cleave, it's no match for it
crimson basalt
Feral kills casters easily
That’s why they fuck up mages easily
They always have
Hunter is still crazy strong
Imo
Feral tho not so much unless convoke, main convoke
maiden quest
Tbh I wouldnt want to be ona destrolock fmage comp on any melee at all lol
crimson basalt
I wouldn’t either
maiden quest
except rogue, because you can.. flee
crimson basalt
Well I mean besides war
Wat strong
Sub is better rn
Sub is the play
Assa is Ight
maiden quest
good ol rmp
problem is it's very hard to be good at rmp
very hard to find good mates
caster cleave or turbocleave or jungle I find you a mate ina blink
maiden quest
but rmp ? 1 hour queue no sight
maiden quest
Rmp is not hard lol
ask them mage who cant reset, who cannot follow your cs, your goes etc
I gave up rmp after not finding any bound soul who would just play sub/mage
crimson basalt
Mages who can’t keep up
They ain’t good
Find a different one
Mages who can’t pre poly kt for a go is also bad
Same with rogue
Rmp is easy
crimson basalt
Negative
crimson basalt
What’s ur exp
crimson basalt
Out of bfa
crimson basalt
So
maiden quest
on rogue probably not even challenger rn cause I stopped
maiden quest
Idk man pvp pugging is even worse than m+ in every way, you just roll on like Tinder
maiden quest
just find good friends mates and go or just quit
crimson basalt
In 2v2s I beat brett and zur both 3k players with a 1800 shaman at max of 2100, im 2.4k exp
They had more exp then us, but you gotta use your brain, figure out what will happen. “Gouge for pre, they gonna sheep my healer or chaste fear my healer and do a go on me”
(If your gouged)
maiden quest
yeah
keen dune
I’ve been have some success with veil of midnight but have yet to try thief’s bargain and see a lot of people running it. Is thief’s that good ?
hearty shell
is it worth losing the 4pc tier from S1 for the higher ilvl honor gear?
hidden dome
Man I thought I would never say this
but DF PvP makes me miss SL PvP
Hell, I take the BfA corruptions again
over this season
keen dune
is it worth losing the 4pc tier from S1 for the higher ilvl honor gear?
You wanna drop the old 4 set for sure. Everyone High rated is running new honor gear except for the mastery ring.
hearty shell
You wanna drop the old 4 set for sure. Everyone High rated is running new honor ...
tyty i wasnt sure if the 4pc was worth losing out on the item level increase but obviously not
crimson basalt
I’ve been have some success with veil of midnight but have yet to try thief’s ba...
It is
surreal barn
I’ve been have some success with veil of midnight but have yet to try thief’s ba...
I was running thief’s day one but I really only liked it with the CDR from shadowdust
graceful ravine
first dance talent is useless with tier, and missing symbols cdr which is important to have double rotten procs every go
radiant glen
sorry I don't have tier week 1
graceful ravine
i 100% trust palumors build cos that dude stares at each talent vigorously to theorycraft
pikaboo yolo his builds most of the time
crimson basalt
sorry I don't have tier week 1
Still viable without t1 set
I would
Get rid of some stuff
On that build tbh
radiant glen
das great
graceful ravine
palumor has a 75% success rate of getting rogues nerfed everytime he puts a video out
graceful ravine
hes the only one so far ive seen post OP builds consistently since shadow lands s1
with actual math/theorycraft behind it
crimson basalt
I’ve seen a view randoms post op stuff since sl s1 too! And bfa, but I’m not here to see who have a bigger dick
graceful ravine
anybody can make a video, im jus saying palumor has more credibility than most
crimson basalt
Also, I tested out ER, I feel like I hit harder with flag tbh
crimson basalt
anybody can make a video, im jus saying palumor has more credibility than most
I bet you’d say that too if someone posted before him or discovered it. But let’s drop this topic
graceful ravine
not at all
nahj, kalvish, palumore, raz, shadenox, nessper are the very few i trust with builds
(that post regularly)
crimson basalt
Well, I found a build that one shots someone
graceful ravine
cheese one shots is fun but it wouldnt take you very far skill wise
you will hit a ceiling where your opponents arent idiots and dont fall for 1 tricks
crimson basalt
Aware of that
Cheesing won’t get you far that’s true, but I also know what I’m doing too in higher cr
graceful ravine
kalvish is the true rogue hero
getting other classes nerfed so we can shine
no way this doesnt get nerfed
spring bough
That shaman stuff is ridiculous lmfao
crimson basalt
Shaman is insane
spring bough
Might try to mess around with the sub one shot stuff later looks pretty fun. I guess enjoy it till they nerf it cause rogue can’t be good right 😂
crimson basalt
Not for long
jolly sierra
tomorrow tell me how many tier will u get
crimson basalt
Yeah they insane
jolly sierra
i had an ele and a enh in the same match w my ret in the first time this season
imagine how i ended against them
minor cape
first dance talent is useless with tier, and missing symbols cdr which is import...
think so?
i usually use it not to build cp but to dance kidney
🤔🤔🤔
graceful ravine
dance kidney only applies to the first kidney of the game
every other kidney u have after that is with pre-built cp before dance
graceful ravine
why?
minor cape
well sometimes i want to kidney right now and dont have cp
graceful ravine
you should be planning 5-6 seconds before stun DR wears off
to have full cp, full energy
minor cape
this is true
but i got used to it
anyways, its basically marked for death
every dance
i think thats pretty good no?
but you are prolly right
graceful ravine
why tf are you playing mfd
graceful ravine
ah
minor cape
is basically mfd
graceful ravine
yes
minor cape
but i do understand how its not super good in rotten
graceful ravine
you should be kidneying healer, dance cheapshot kill target
minor cape
hmmm i usually do the other way
cheap healer dance kidney kill target
into delayed bomb
which gives exactly 5cp for full kidney
thats why i like it
but still might be wrong yeah
graceful ravine
that is fine for the first go of the game coming out of stealth
but for mid-game go's, you kidney healer dance cs dps
minor cape
true
btw you dont really need symbols cdr tho
for double rotten
cause you will be able to press symbols anyway
in duration of dancd 🤔
graceful ravine
symbols is 30 sec cd, stun dr is 18 secs
there is a reasonable gap inbetween
you would have to either wait longer on your stun dr, or delay your 2nd symbols
both are L's
wintry dew
Im trying to come up with a reasonable left tree, for sectec build, without going ER
graceful ravine
5 seconds is the difference whether you be able to get 2 symbols off per dance
vs desynced symbols
graceful ravine
yes but relying on vanish to get off your combos isnt reliable
when you have to use it defensively for other purposes
but i havent played with double symbols to figure out timing
graceful ravine
i just know that its Very important to consistently get 2x symbols within a 5 sec kidney window
minor cape
i just know that its *Very* important to consistently get 2x symbols within a 5 ...
fax
minor cape
cold blooded?
minor cape
if its not dummy its normal chill
wintry dew
i mean in theory i would have killed the target it he was below 60% for sure
im trying deep strat instead of ER bcs i keep failing to hit the CP for sectec
minor cape
im trying deep strat instead of ER bcs i keep failing to hit the CP for sectec
its fine actually
evasion does it
and someone else too
jolly sierra
when i was playing with alt
checked than subs did half the dmg than average dps in match
do u think will be ok? xdd
wintry dew
I got into a shuffle
win the first 2 rounds in a row
then got matched with the bad healer
lose 3 in a row
max i could have gone was 3-3, but ofc, the bad healer decided to win VS me
goddamn it
copper maple
Sub isn't about high dps, is it
dusk spindle
sounded too good to be true the moment i read " i got into a shuffle"
on average i wait an hour to do a SS
hidden dome
What is the CC immunity on disc priest?
wintry dew
im at 1600mmr range
wintry dew
What is the CC immunity on disc priest?
only holy priests have it
wintry dew
fade
i believe they have a talent so fade makes them immune to stuff for a brief moment
jolly sierra
Sub isn't about high dps, is it
in kill windows i think so
hidden dome
I don't understand anything any more. I just lost a game since I got an 8 second warrior fear
jolly sierra
the thing is he never landed a kill xd
hidden dome
How do warriors fear for 8 seconds?!
No drachyr in the game either
Rogue's lose their 8 second blind but arms are allowed an 8 second fear?!
gloomy ore
How do warriors fear for 8 seconds?!
its a talent
hidden dome
Oh.. that seems fair
waxen meteor
It’s a pvp talent and tbh lots of priests are dropping it
waxen meteor
It’s a 30s cd and lasts 1 sec
Priest lost the 25% aoe dmg reduction pvp talent
To get this 
hidden dome
ye I just got outplayed a few times by good priests and was tilt. The talent is very fair tbh
twin burrow
Davy don't forget we extend symbols by a few seconds each dance donno If that was said
normal tendon
guys how much gold should i put in comission if i want to craft this
buoyant niche
Only if you care about pve ilvl
jolly sierra
guys how much gold should i put in comission if i want to craft this
420.69
so are you all crafting new boots cuz ppl charges too much recrafting?
sweet kayak
is this a good pvp spec rn? i just came back after a long break and not sure whats good or not. i checked the sticky's but they are for 10.05
jolly sierra
sub is having more success i recall
and ppl were discussing tacts and videos scrolling up im the chat
i dont care tbh and will stay in assa
sweet kayak
yeah i know sub is still king at least but i enjoy sin more 😦
jolly sierra
in that case craft a undulating sporecloak, get a battlemaster trinket and gl
sweet kayak
never heard of either of those things lol thanks
crimson basalt
Bro that guy is insane at rogue ngl
twin burrow
im evising for 200k+
were using boot embellesh again?
and this shoulder one?
tarny wya, do i go embelleshed boots
hidden dome
Is there any way to get a spark of Shadowflame on Alts without doing tons of questing?
potent pivot
Is there any way to get a spark of Shadowflame on Alts without doing tons of que...
Yep
There’s a skip
normal tendon
does anyone have a guild with coolass name where they just chill
waxen meteor
this is the tier set thing right?
i have never been back to the cave again
it's monday already just making sure i am not doing sth stupid
twin burrow
wait how did u get that Tarny
im on chapter 3/7
i have one shadowflame, but i dont have a tier set thing like ur saying
minor cape
you need to get 1600
waxen meteor
i have one shadowflame, but i dont have a tier set thing like ur saying
tier set thing is 1.6 rating
olive stirrup
Is it 1600 in any mode
waxen meteor
for whatever reason my dh doesn't have shadowflame
but i am too lazy to find out why
as long as rogue has it i am fine
twin burrow
do i need to be 7/7 campaign to use the item
waxen meteor
i don't think so
is 7/7 even possible now?
i think my rogue did my quest, it stucks at 6/7?
twin burrow
i have a shadowflame crest and a 1600 thing
minor cape
for shadowflame just need to do malicia
twin burrow
and both my mastery world queset items
are the boots we used for s1 something we upgrade to 450 pvp/
minor cape
hmmm
waxen meteor
all others are just more or less just okay?
minor cape
do we craft sporecloak for sub too?
im just not sure
maybe mastery shoulder would be better
waxen meteor
I remember we will give up hand for tier set
so we gonna use tier shoulder
or did i just lose memory
which is possible as well
minor cape
havent checked yet cause well just have to pray any set item drops
twin burrow
chest is vers mast pog
minor cape
nice
twin burrow
pants are mast/x
4/5 peices have verse so
gotta see how much mastery is worth giving up for 4 set
twin burrow
i play evis not sectec so 4 set might be good if the mastery offset isnt as bad
tarny how do u use the 1600 item to make into tier>
waxen meteor
i don't know that's why i was asking
waxen meteor
but i heard it's simple, i have never been back to the cave
waxen meteor
6
waxen meteor
wintry dew
30mins queu for a shuffle
first round, my hunter afk
insta lose
i swear
blizzard could suck a dick
30 mins
of FUCKING QUEU
for people to AFK
INSIDE THE ARENA
twin burrow
play the augmentation dragon
wintry dew
went 2/4 because after round 1 he decided to play like a god
i swear this game makes me mad sometimes. Sorry for the banter
odd mortar
35min q, its been declined twice
ARE WE GONNA GET IN?! IS THIS THE ONE?
nope
Fourth time is the charm?!
waxen meteor
tarny how do u use the 1600 item to make into tier>
ok, it's not easy to find, i have to google...
51.97 25.69
waxen meteor
tier shoulder is mastery?
Sorry, did a double check, we should give up tier shoulder
so crafted shoulder looks good
spring bough
so picked up this rotten secret tech sub build
and im in my first lobby 3-0 so far halfway thru doing lowest amt of dmg in here but deleting ppl
odd mortar
?
I got to 12-1300 with that build and hard stopped, may be a skill thing IDK
just switched to this:
spring bough
is that second one better than secret tech?
twin burrow
yeesh 4 wins for 14 rating
odd mortar
just started using it
jolly sierra
For sin you want to try the poison boot?
the cum boots are good, but the cost is using that fkn patch
if u are assa, think u need to endure more
spring bough
so is the theory to spam cheap shot and then spam shadowstrikes / evis / secret tech during a dance window?
jolly sierra
you will almost always be the trained one
and we checked by first hand how vulnerable we were in end s1
spring bough
Did the least amount of damage in that lobby still got 4-2. Felt like when I had two dances up with dance I could kill someone in 6 seconds with everything up
Burst felt kinda wild Ngl
But when nothings up it’s like backstab…….. backstab….. waiting lol
spring bough
Watched that video for the build without secret tech and possibly pickup vigor. Gonna try that my next lobby
jolly sierra
thought u were going outlaw
odd mortar
So how would one go about learning if you should take the helm, chest tier, etc. I’m assuming it’s just, tier pieces have mastery/versa and the glad gear doesn’t
So you take the tier, and take the mastery glad pieces
jolly sierra
???
odd mortar
lol
How are people determining what tier pieces, crafted pieces and conq pieces
So I don’t have to ask, and can figure it out in the future
jolly bear
hey guys if im playing The Rotten + Danse, how do I get my stacks up without sectech? do i use gloomblade and kidney during burst to boost it or what
spring bough
So how would one go about learning if you should take the helm, chest tier, etc....
legs has crit / mast so for sub id prob use those and the shoulders are crit / haste prob use that over legs for outlaw. everything else has vers on it
surreal barn
hey guys if im playing The Rotten + Danse, how do I get my stacks up without sec...
I throw a shiv in there sometimes
jolly bear
so SS + gb + shiv > evis > ss > evis?
jolly sierra
i would pick items with versa first and then priorize even more pieces closest in stat priority
for example i would pick a versa haste tier first if there are not with versa mastery
in sub and outlaw think ppl will pick a piece w versa crit at first place
spring bough
lmao 188k eviscerate crit on pvp dummy
that would be so ridic if it could happen in a solo
spring bough
playing one of those variation cheese builds from palomurs video lol
tech had a 119k crit too. 5 casts 1.22 million dmg so thats about 244k a CD
jolly sierra
meh with palumor builds
u can go well, but that guy always bait blizzard for nerfs
so enjoy the fun lol
jolly sierra
i still recall the SL s1 1 shot macro
spring bough
just with danse. then he got rid of rotten / invig / perf for deeper / finality and some other stuff
jolly bear
well i dont mind ER but his reasoning for dropping it was valid
jolly bear
well the rotten definitely feels weird
spring bough
i keep trying to get an on use trinket macro'd to shadow dance but it wont work for some reason and i know i have one for my outlaw build
trim arch
i also went with vigor too
Can you show build for us pls 
jolly sierra
hmm
spring bough
i got it figured out it was something dumb lol
spring bough
Can you show build for us pls <:basegcat:1107701282577334292>
i dont think its that good tbh its from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hstO_IPZvBo&t=418s
jolly bear
idk i kinda like it
odd mortar
Im playing the control version of it
jolly bear
spring bough
i dont know how to handle this down time between dances lol
lucid citrus
yeah me niether haha
spring bough
build def has some wild burst with dance up tho
gonna try the one build with danse and dark brew
jolly bear
I just did Blades > SS > evis > ss > evis > ss > evis and did that
well obv with sd and symbols
isnt everyone saying dark brew is trash now
spring bough
yeah this dark brew is some wild stuff
145k evis crit and 112k hit in first round LOL
spring bough
what should i drop for flag hmmmm lol
yeah i def play brew build way better than rotten build
wintry dew
Actually found a way to acquire the full elite set without reaching 1800, for those interested
will require you to reach 1600 in 2 characters tho xD
lucid citrus
what ? lol
wintry dew
For real
♥
I have 2 rogues 70, and went to the place where you exchange the token of mastery to see the gear, and then i realized:
i reached 1600, i have 1 token, and the elite pvp gear tier is already the elite coloration recolour (for tmog purposes)
if i get another token on my other rogue, i can get the 2 pieces im missing (head/shoulders) for the tmog!
GENIOUS
waxen meteor
Just for mog you mean
wintry dew
yes
lucid citrus
lol
wintry dew
I'll sooner or later reach 1.8, thats my whole purpose, get the damn transmog 😄
But for those with free time, 1.6 is really accessible
lucid citrus
imma try out sub tomorrow after reset so at least im getting conq while trying it out
frigid spade
Is it worth keeping 2pc and 4pc pvp gear from last season, or can I replace with WM pvp gear?
wintry dew
just fully replace it
lucid citrus
replace them
wintry dew
imma try out sub tomorrow after reset so at least im getting conq while trying i...
I've been playing sub this season (played assa all the others) and it feels good
great survival, great burst and control, but you're kinda fucked if you're the train target
lucid citrus
I cant wait for tomorrow then lol
wintry dew
Oh you NA?
surreal barn
great survival, great burst and control, but you're kinda fucked if you're the t...
Gotta step your healer a lot, if they just stand in the middle like an idiot THEN it gets a lot harder
wintry dew
Was about to say that
surreal barn
It happens so often too lol
wintry dew
STEPS HEALER "wait, why am i in the middle of the ffFIGHHHTTT"
surreal barn
I’m like okay let’s step over here and avoid the chaos bolts
lucid citrus
Oh you NA?
yeah man
lucid citrus
yeah i def play brew build way better than rotten build
you have replicating shadows on your build?
jolly sierra
im too crazy if i try to reach 2k1 w rog this season and already having the xmog cuz a bug?
lucid citrus
yeah it is odd having a window of not doing anything when your CB's on cd lol
jolly sierra
so, what will be ur next embellishments after reset?
think u are using sephuz boots, right?
spring bough
copping the cloak tomorrow already got all the mats ready to go
lucid citrus
i still didnt craft any items lol
jolly sierra
oof
jolly sierra
agree
imagine honor battlemaster is around 126k bonus hp
and this cloak is auto
also u have the healing
are around 5500 per tick
wintry dew
Above 70%
Pretty good to reset
I put a public order so in theory i should have my cloak tomorrow
spring bough
4 casts secret 977k in one round LOL
wintry dew
Oh yes
spring bough
holy paladin disappeared
wintry dew
Big damn
jolly sierra
oof
lucid citrus
i actually dont know what to craft
wintry dew
Did a shuffle like 10 mins ago and couldn't go 6-0 because of healer diff 😦
jolly sierra
F for crusader3422
wintry dew
?
jolly sierra
the hpal welinth killed
wintry dew
Oh looool
jolly sierra
i actually dont know what to craft
apparently ppl is going sephuz in the first embellishment
wintry dew
Anyway it's almost 3 am i should be sleeping. See you guys tomorrow so i can complain a lil bit more
lucid citrus
Sephuz?
jolly sierra
our pvp boots from former season
were turned from cc reduction to +agi after using a cc
that is sephuz from SL
spring bough
129k evis on a shadow priest dropped him so fast lol
jolly sierra
XD
polar shard
so sub is busted rn xD ??
jolly sierra
seems like
spring bough
2 casts 601k on a boomy in solo this is WILD
spring bough
1 cast 279k lmao. evo then proceeded to melt boomy
jolly sierra
does the craft shoulder have any special effect?
the fungi shoulders?
needs the patch embellishment to hit decently
waxen meteor
gotta be kidding, 50 mins queue on monday night
waxen meteor
the fungi shoulders?
the vers/mastery one
jolly sierra
lemme see
jolly sierra
the vers/mastery one
life bound?
polar shard
1 cast 279k lmao. evo then proceeded to melt boomy
whats this build lmao
spring bough
whats this build lmao
just a regular dance/brew build
jolly bear
sooo is The Rotten + Danse better or is Danse + Brew better
spring bough
have no idea tbh never done sub lmao
jolly bear
might mess around with feral a bit
polar shard
just a regular dance/brew build
damn my sec tech dont hit that hard lol
jolly bear
a x4 danse + cold blood + sec tech should hit that hard
or close
damn that’s actually kinda cracked do I wanna give that up for The Rotten
waxen meteor
yeah it's kinda a tough choice
if you go rotten you leave ST behind
if you go ST, you leave rotten behind
jolly bear
I don’t know how to play The Rotten yet but I know I might have to switch due to tier set
jolly bear
I’m still hard debating Flag vs Dark Brew
because 10% increased Shadow Damage is no joke considering that’s 2/3 of Sec Tech and an extra 40% Evis if they have Find Weakness on then
maybe it’s more about on demand burst vs consistent burst?
graceful ravine
382k per cast but 9 hits
Tech only hits 3x per target including pets
So that 383k is split across 3 targets
jolly bear
oh mine was the pvp target dummy in Valdrakken
spring bough
thought tech was all one target. looks like it was like 110k on the priest rest was on the other two still huge lol
lucid citrus
whats teh right side of the talent tree look like for the dark brew + ST
jolly bear
110k is one single hit if you do it right
I would show you mine but I’m not online
if you screenshot I can probably tell you what I have in there
graceful ravine
isn’t that just the same spec as last season
nothing really changed for dark brew tech spec
jolly bear
well I use The First Dance in mine and swapped the extra energy on shadow techniques for Stuccato so I get on demand CPs
and then with theif’s bargain it’s really low cd
so I have burst more often
I’m gonna try it out tomorrow
jolly bear
I was just theorycrafting today after watching some videos
yeahhhh but that’s another button and I’m still new to pvp so I panic lol
graceful ravine
wouldn’t recommend flag for beginners
jolly bear
but I have noticed it destroys people when I press it
graceful ravine
Learn your drs and stuns first
waxen meteor
dayv's build last season still works
but i think it's better to go some rupture over flag this season
otherwise your normal dmg is just too low
jolly bear
but i think it's better to go some rupture over flag this season
you mean Dark Brew to turn the Rupture to Shadow Damage & +10%?
just clarifying
potent pivot
sooo is The Rotten + Danse better or is Danse + Brew better
atm they're basically the same shit
until you get 2pc
jolly bear
Learn your drs and stuns first
I’ve watched videos and stuff but I don’t really know how to like, learn stuff or know what I need to know if that makes sense. I need someone to teach me on voice chat or something lol I’m a trash can
jolly bear
until you get 2pc
and then from there it’s 100% no debate The Rotten is better? because I’m not sure I like it yet
potent pivot
^
it's pretty obvious rotten will be better
but still need to see how the meta unfolds
waxen meteor
well, at beginning of the week still arms
waxen meteor
just these 2 days, full of furies
potent pivot
<:basegcat:1107701282577334292> well, at beginning of the week still arms
"but still need to see how the meta unfolds" <---
one of those things where ppl slowly convert
jolly bear
having the 20 second cd root break is kinda cracked dude
potent pivot
not everyone is INSTANTLY going to start dropping a spec
jolly bear
I think I’ll just take the L and swap now
potent pivot
?
jolly bear
I should get used to The Rotten now instead of when I get the 2 pc and have to go thru the adjustment period
simple crest
twas a good set lol
jolly sierra
u are theorycrafting w sub and im getting used by a friend to duel randoms in valdrakken as assa
we got a good chuckle when a dh died in a duel by the dots lol
jolly sierra
not bad
think i'm waiting for murlok.io to update embellishments, at least they are up to date in that lol
fossil sierra
hows outlaw doing in pvp?
jolly sierra
according to drustvar, is the least represented
but according to players here, its going fine
lucid citrus
lol when will Murlok update is the question
jolly sierra
just update embellishments
stoic spruce
Anyone have an outlaw build? I'm not finding a build I like.
jolly sierra
but the rating is OOF
potent pivot
Anyone have an outlaw build? I'm not finding a build I like.
the one in #pvp-faq is still pretty standard. you can shuffle around a couple points to your liking ofc
stoic spruce
Thank you my friend
agile leaf
so we making the cloak?
potent pivot
but the rating is OOF
you still been playing just assa?
jolly sierra
yeah
potent pivot
think i'm gonna try sepsis soon
especially after 2p
shadowmeld+sepsis for extra improved garrotes
imp garr->DM go
sepsis->imp garr when DM fades
then either KB or exsang, one or the other