pvp

[graceful ravine]

the "best" peak prime time queues is 5-10 min

normally on tuesday nights

ppl getting their 3-5 wins for their vault

[spring bough]

of course the two pvp WQs up rn have items i already bought LOL

[surreal barn]

No idea on the hp sorry mate

[jolly sierra]

np, think it still worth it for early season lol

[jolly sierra]

try going for a socket

i got one for my warr XD

[pale storm]

I procced a socket on the belt today, poggers

[jolly sierra]

see lol

[graceful ravine]

i just found out you cant convert conq to tier pieces anymore

for s1 set

rip my alts

[normal tendon]

eh 5 is pretty chill i guess

[jolly sierra]

ah yeah a friend was upset af after having catalyst closed at end season

he was talking about pve pov and was fucked for his m+ gear

[graceful ravine]

That’s prime time that only happens once a week tho

90% of the time it is 15-45 min

[bleak slate]

Are you guys replacing your tier gear with the wpvp gear?

[jolly sierra]

nah, but w honor gear

tier is nerfed by 50% already

[bleak slate]

I thought the 50% was for season 2 stuff

[jolly sierra]

think +13 ilvl is better than a nerfed set

[bleak slate]

Wasn’t sure if the ilvl on the wpvp gear would be worth it over tier bonus

[jolly sierra]

nah, our ones are already crippled

[bleak slate]

Gotcha. I’ll start replacing it here then

Thanks!

[jolly sierra]

kk

[fading blade]

Still can make pvp into tier right?

[rose wigeon]

no

[fading blade]

Oh shit really?

[rose wigeon]

yeah catalyst is down completely

[fading blade]

Oof

Well there goes every piece of tier for me in raid

[rose wigeon]

tier is nerfed anyways dont stress it

[jolly sierra]

wait till s2 to find new gear to convert

but im doubtful w that tbh if is that nerfed

[rose wigeon]

im hearing on PTR sub set is good so guess we will see

[fading blade]

The stats aren’t like the best for tier but I think it could be worth checking out, 50% nerf but it’s 20% to evis at least

[jolly sierra]

gimme assa buffs to rethink it

KEK

[rose wigeon]

to evis crit damage which crit is nerfed too

[normal tendon]

[wanton breach]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[fading blade]

Nerfed but still damage, but I haven’t PTRd anything and have no idea what stats are on what ***only if you could covert

[jolly sierra]

meh the average

i just tested the embelishment for real in ptr, the melee one for pvp

is fucking shit

[wanton breach]

the slow one?

[normal tendon]

damn i wouldnt have got the game if i knew i wait 40 mins for a 7 minute match

[jolly sierra]

the slow one yeah

hits like for 34k after like 50 seconds being slowed

[fading blade]

Are there other new ones? Or is It gonna be like the old helm and what

[jolly sierra]

one w shadowflame

dunno how good it is

and one for precock

[fading blade]

well since they nerfed sub outside sources maybe flame isn’t as good anymore

[jolly sierra]

perhaps

[fading blade]

I’ll take any free extra damage

Make rogue great again

[jolly sierra]

dont think embelishment w mastery buff above 90% hp is a good invesment tho

but think new boots embelishment is pretty good, its sephuz 2nd effect

so u got agi every 30s when u cc

[fading blade]

The cloak could be cool

[rose wigeon]

cloak will def get nerfed

[jolly sierra]

by 50% is stlll useable tho

if is above that F

[karmic finch]

You can swap or remove non-unique embellishments without wasting shadowflame... can simply test out and if it feels meh, just recraft it

[jolly sierra]

or go ptr and test

[sharp sierra]

How does pvp feel? Haven’t been able to play since 10.1 dropped 😞

[surreal barn]

Boots kick ass have them at 450

Idk if it is best tho

I feel like the damage embellishment might be good for a bm hunt

Like they need anymore 😂

[sterile relic]

Is grinding 15k this week worth it?

[harsh steppe]

yes

[austere thorn]

any1 tried mastery stacking on outlaw? Im pumping with it

[hollow sundial]

sub feels awful outside of CB tech goes lol

[naive arch]

is there a build anyone uses without tech? hate the aoe of it and feels clunky

[barren swan]

Are the new Infurious Footwraps BiS for sub?

[potent pivot]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i know a couple people think they will be, but there's no way to know for sure til season gets going really

[barren swan]

i feel like it would be. im just hesitant to waste a shadowflame

[jolly sierra]

fuck forgot to test the shadowflame embel

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm just gonna sit back and let others that have more alt rogues test :d

i've got 2 rogues atm so i might test on my horde rogue

[potent pivot]

i have a feeling we're going to stick with sophic, but never know

[jolly sierra]

embellishment

not enchant

[potent pivot]

oo i thought you meant the wep enchant

there's so much shadowflame shit

[jolly sierra]

nah i dont care for enchants w sophic existing lol

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

are you talking about the tempered armor patch

i think the only reason it was going to be good for sub was because the shadow dmg got amped by talents

[jolly sierra]

yeah

the patc

h

lemme finish the 400 tokens daily and go to ptr

[potent pivot]

i swear all this new stuff this patch looks so confusing

until you really dig into it

it's kinda simple overall, just so many currencies it looks nutty

[jolly sierra]

the thing which makes me mad

are the fkn whelp crests

[potent pivot]

wdym

the ones you get from pvp?

[jolly sierra]

yeah

in bags

[potent pivot]

i think it's kinda nice

like you can just pvp to get pve geared if you want to pve

like it at least will get you to the ilvl to start m+ or normal/heroic raid

without you having to do the stupid heroic dungeon/m0 farming

and you can just farm +16s for highest crests

that's kinda cool

[jolly sierra]

yeah but whelp ones

are useless

[potent pivot]

i know this is pve shit but i like to do both contents personally

[jolly sierra]

do u think we will get them according to rating?

[potent pivot]

i hope so

that'd be cool

[jolly sierra]

cuz if are just whelp ones

then its a waste

[potent pivot]

yeah

[jolly sierra]

and i will break all of them

[potent pivot]

i wonder

if there's something else you can spend them on

besides upgrading pve gear

[jolly sierra]

they are weekly capped too

it seems

[potent pivot]

ye

they replace Valor

hopefully the cap raises every week

and it's not just a hard cap every week

that way if you don't play you still can farm a bunch later

[waxen meteor]

totally

I just got so many things in the bag that i don't even know what they used for

[potent pivot]

yeah

[waxen meteor]

plus *3 from 10.07 island

[potent pivot]

you have shadowflame sparks

you have crafted items

embellishments

and then like 5 types of crests

[waxen meteor]

it's entirely unnecessarily complication

[potent pivot]

etcetcetcetcetcetc

[waxen meteor]

just brain problem

[potent pivot]

waste of bag space tbh

[waxen meteor]

why do designers think people would like to investigate time into such bs

[potent pivot]

they should go to the character window\

like conquest

[waxen meteor]

yeah and waste of bag space

[potent pivot]

i just want a chill way to make gold

besides boosting

i'd like to get into crafting but it seems so omega convoluted

[waxen meteor]

DH S2 looks no bad

[potent pivot]

a lot of the sets look bad in game

[waxen meteor]

You just need to be a blood elf to make it look good

[potent pivot]

n elf all the way

i almost want to level a 3rd rogue

for dwarf

[jolly sierra]

that is s2 set?

[potent pivot]

cloak talent+dwarf

[potent pivot]

yh

[jolly sierra]

looks like a legion tier rework

nice

[potent pivot]

i think dwarf could be really strong this season

especially for rogue

[waxen meteor]

yeah

Sub 1800

[potent pivot]

[waxen meteor]

Elite

[potent pivot]

the elite is decent

i really wish they didn't change the color rewards

from last season

give us purple and red for pvp

[waxen meteor]

I think the tier set is anyway the pve color right?

[potent pivot]

probably ya

[jolly sierra]

elite seems decent for ne

[waxen meteor]

Seems elite are all blueish this season

[potent pivot]

ya

and the rogue conquest looks like LFR gear

with the green

[jolly sierra]

lock one is pinkish tho

[waxen meteor]

will figure out in 2 days

[jolly sierra]

and warr one is red with gold

[potent pivot]

yeah the colors are all over the place

not the same between classes

[jolly sierra]

i rlly liked elite tint for df s1

[potent pivot]

same

[waxen meteor]

tint?

[potent pivot]

the mythic tint for rogue is BiS

[potent pivot]

color

[waxen meteor]

ah yeah

i love it too

and it works with a lot of weapons well

[jolly sierra]

the fkn color palette is very matching w pvp

[potent pivot]

tbh i want the mythic pve rogue set

[jolly sierra]

also fiery thematic from s1

[potent pivot]

i hope that if you use the +16 crests on Normal gear it turns purple

because i do not want to apply to guilds and clear mythic lmao

[jolly sierra]

lol

[lucid citrus]

how does it feel?

[jolly sierra]

my warr is fkn ahead w the season lol

look at my helm w socket

and the bracers

dunno how tf was that lucky this fkn warr

[potent pivot]

is that pve gear?

[waxen meteor]

what are thse ?

[jolly sierra]

but in other classes

just regular items

pvp scaleguard items from WQ

[potent pivot]

mm

couldn't see the pvp scaling

your tooltips always confuse me

[jolly sierra]

just shown till the socket

[jolly sierra]

think is most the language lol

[potent pivot]

ya

[jolly sierra]

i'll try getting a pvp helm for my monk

w socket

from the WQ

[potent pivot]

habla espanol, un poco

[jolly sierra]

sisi, muy poco

vamos a jugar a la play

XD

[potent pivot]

sin grandes palabras

[jolly sierra]

nvm

lemme get the helm and go ptr

[potent pivot]

can you get embellishments on ptr?

[jolly sierra]

yeah

[potent pivot]

thought you had to get someone to craft it

[jolly sierra]

that is how i tested the melee pvp one

[jolly sierra]

u do it urself w crafting

[potent pivot]

ah ok

[jolly sierra]

they gives insta skill points w talent tree

[potent pivot]

how did the melee precog one look

[jolly sierra]

awful

[potent pivot]

i haven't tested

really?

it sounded strong

[jolly sierra]

takes an eternity to get all stacks

and hits like 34k

[potent pivot]

yeah

damn

[jolly sierra]

i tested in a duel with a drood

he rooted me like 7 times and we had to wait for DR

and after that i got all stacks

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

so imagine how cringe it is

[potent pivot]

yeah

i thought it could be good because we get kited hard now

without freedom sprint

spend most of the time in matches slowed etc

[jolly sierra]

unless they buff that shit to make 100k dmg total

don't think it will be good

[potent pivot]

yeah

[jolly sierra]

it should feel like a punishment

rather than a tickle

[potent pivot]

we're going to have like... 600-700k health?

once full conq geared

[jolly sierra]

540k to be fair

[potent pivot]

and caster's precog is insane

[jolly sierra]

🤓

[potent pivot]

and our damage tickles

[jolly sierra]

or were 580k

i dont recall

but checked today

and was between that amount

[potent pivot]

sub is doing decent

sectech can hit ~300k total

[jolly sierra]

fuck it procced normal

[potent pivot]

evis can hit up to ~200k with evis build and Flag

[jolly sierra]

100% sure will be nerfed

[potent pivot]

don't see us running flag in pvp

[jolly sierra]

like ER pre season

[potent pivot]

i don't think it's strong enough to be nerfed yet

Flag in pvp isn't good because it's such a long ramp

[jolly sierra]

cheesy stuff was target of nerfs tho

[potent pivot]

if someone let's you get your whole flag off they are bad

[jolly sierra]

remember stuff like that gets nerfed when ppl starts complaining how they were 1 shotted in forums

like w ER

[potent pivot]

well typically that happens when GOOD players are also complaining

like cdew etc

[jolly sierra]

cdew its a meme at this step

but his words went too far to fuck blind entirely

and regret it

[potent pivot]

yep

atm i think sub and outlaw are good

i think assa needs something

[jolly sierra]

yeah

the buffs they denied

lol

[potent pivot]

either make DM non-dispellable

[waxen meteor]

pfff i don't know if it's because of orc or hunter set is ugly itself

[potent pivot]

or give assa better survivability

[lucid citrus]

Hunter set looks the least flashy lol

[jolly sierra]

hunter sets always were famous for being fkn ugly

[potent pivot]

damn did they get rid of a hunter/surv pvp talent

just logged into mine and missing a talent

[waxen meteor]

yeah you lost the sacrifice

[lucid citrus]

Out of all DF season 2 tier set, the priest looks the best one

[waxen meteor]

@potent pivot it's a farily big one

but you can still get it from normal talent

[jolly sierra]

tbh i really would liked to have the red and black tint for rogue

[waxen meteor]

it's like force you to lose 1 talent

like DH 10.07

[jolly sierra]

but decided for black and blue

xd

[potent pivot]

yeah

i want that one

for sure

[lucid citrus]

I do too but i don’t play priest haha

[potent pivot]

i don't either

[jolly sierra]

for nathria xmog i usually use the HC leather set

[potent pivot]

but i'm going to

[austere thorn]

I mean it does more dmg on the pvp dummy but I only have gear for up to 35% mastery... saw raz playing it earlier today

[jolly sierra]

and the shoulders from elite

cuz the glow

that is cuz i rlly didn't liked the elite tint

[waxen meteor]

ok i am swapping to preist char now

[jolly sierra]

but the helm and shoulders matched very well w hc tint

[potent pivot]

priest set is like

godly

[jolly sierra]

embrace shadow

and get free 1k8

[potent pivot]

that set is a must-have

[jolly sierra]

fotm goes brrrrrrr

[potent pivot]

even the LFR and Normal set is sick

[waxen meteor]

yeah looks good

[jolly sierra]

my favorite tier set is the one from ToS

every of them looked very nice

specially the mage tower one

[potent pivot]

ya

i have it on my rogue

need to do the other classes still

[jolly sierra]

just look at this

[potent pivot]

i think this new set is better ngl

but that one is also sick

[jolly sierra]

got the embellished belt

im gonna test it 2m

to see procs

in 2 minutes

it procced 12 times

can crit and this was the dmg

tooltip seems to be unaffected by versa

[potent pivot]

is that total damage

or only ticks

it should be affected by vers

[jolly sierra]

damage is full

no ticks

[potent pivot]

so 18.7k for 2min?

[jolly sierra]

no

that was the amount of hits

[potent pivot]

i want to know the total dmg of the 2min

if you can

[jolly sierra]

134320

[potent pivot]

hmm

so not bad

have you tested the patch and spore?

[jolly sierra]

its just an embellisment

[potent pivot]

and slimy etc

[jolly sierra]

and still hits harder than fkn pvp melee embel lol

sec

ill test toxic now

spore cant cuz i need the recipe from the raid

[potent pivot]

these should all be worth testing

the problem is the slimy+spore combo makes them do 100% increased dmg iirc?

[jolly sierra]

lemme check

[jolly sierra]

testing the boots at first

with the wep enchant too

shadowflame one

[steep loom]

i can attest to the slimy as outlaw. i made em with the 450 pvp ilvl trophy. that thing slaps

[jolly sierra]

332k with embel patch

those are the boots

testing spore shoulders

[potent pivot]

outlaw is a bit different than the other two

[jolly sierra]

spore shoulders 330k dmg total

[potent pivot]

yeah

[jolly sierra]

1 more remaining

sec

[potent pivot]

i think we run toxic patch + X

[jolly sierra]

sec lemme test the other one

[potent pivot]

this is Slimy boots?

[jolly sierra]

thorn

[potent pivot]

i don't think we run thorn

the healing procs replace dmg procs iirc

so if you have friendlies nearby it'll do less dmg

think we either go Slimy + Patch or Spore + Patch

[lucid citrus]

Anyone have a TMW for all kicks and stuns?

[potent pivot]

a what?

[barren swan]

We don't use Infurious?

[lucid citrus]

Tellmewhen*

[potent pivot]

ah, no. mostly use WAs and OmniCD

[potent pivot]

kinda doubt it

sub might, but we'll see

[jolly sierra]

slimy

483k

gotta retest sec

[wise breach]

Man I kind of regret upgrading Infurious Boots first, should have went with Slimy, especially since I also PvE, though fairly casually

[potent pivot]

yeh they're looking strong

the agi from boots could be decent for sub

but yeh

[wise breach]

I'm digging the Slimy + Toxic Patch on Vers/Mastery shoulders plan

[potent pivot]

then you have to use the haste/mastery tier set legs

but yeh

it's either haste/crit shoulders or haste/mastery legs

[wise breach]

That's plenty fine, I still like some haste for assa

[potent pivot]

not a great choice

sure

[potent pivot]

and this is slimy + toxic patch correct?

[wise breach]

I do wonder if they'll enact additional PvP multipliers on this stuff

It would be unfortunate it it happens after people craft things

[jolly sierra]

376k now

yeah w slimy

still higher compared to the other ones

[potent pivot]

and all of these tests had the toxic patch for the +100%?

[wise breach]

Assa 4pc doesn't affect this damage, correct?

[potent pivot]

not anymore, no

it did originally

was changed

[jolly sierra]

everything

[potent pivot]

kk

just had to make sure

[barren swan]

the toxic patch goes on the boots, correct?

[wise breach]

No, it counts as its own embellishment, so needs to be on a separate piece

[barren swan]

hmm

[jolly sierra]

tested for 2nd time thorns

320k

testing for last time spores

spores 325k

the dmg in both is pretty consistent

but in the slime is still higher compared to those 2

[potent pivot]

yeh

don't think we run the Thorns

[jolly sierra]

slime 430k in 2 minutes now

pretty inconsistent the dmg, but in a good way

[potent pivot]

yh

[jolly sierra]

well

i can agree w ur theory about toxic embellishment now tho

good job

HOWEVER

[fiery hinge]

Can confirm slime is really good

[jolly sierra]

if sporecloak is not nerfed

[fiery hinge]

Hits 40-80k

[jolly sierra]

i'll use it cuz i priorize survivability over dmg

in arena

[lucid citrus]

is nelf is still the best race for rogues right now or will it still be orcs?

[jolly sierra]

think is still nerf is orcs are nerfed

[potent pivot]

Wdym still be orc

It’s been nelf for a while

[lucid citrus]

lol i see

[potent pivot]

N elf/dwarf/human

Orc/undead/tauren

[jolly sierra]

ty ptr for making me not waste any mat in embellishments

[potent pivot]

But n elf and dwarf are the best

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

the wep enchant however

the shadowflame one

still hits decently for a mere proc

it is by dots, hitted by like 180k in 2m

just in 1 dagger enchanted

dunno about 2 tbh

lemme test, im genuinely curious

double shadowflame does affect dmg

ticked 42 times by 303k total

nvm 41

[potent pivot]

ye i think every wep ench in the game should do combined dmg these days

when you use 2x

[jolly sierra]

yep, but tbh it matches slimy dmg

w 300k in 2m just by using those enchants

[potent pivot]

ye

sophic is just really strong

[hollow sleet]

did conquest reset yet or is that May 9th?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[potent pivot]

9th

[hollow sleet]

ty

[wary spire]

Won't undead stonks rise due to fear not being nerfed?

[potent pivot]

don't think so

[minor cape]

whats up w tauren rogues

never understood it

does their racial even help

[potent pivot]

seems like it's mostly for the meme imo

[minor cape]

another proof that races are cosmetic

😎

[potent pivot]

don't think it's that simple lol

especially for pvp

[minor cape]

honestly would be cool

if they were 100% cosmetic

ehhh

[copper maple]

I want meld though 🙂

[nova viper]

Only nelf woman

[floral meadow]

guys, sorry, rogue newbie here. Shadowmeld.. how to use this effectivly and why is it so good as a rogue?

(nearly everyone at the top leaderboards plays NE)

and is it really that important to get to 2000+?

[potent pivot]

to get to 2k+ not really

but it has multiple uses

shadowmeld->stealth->garrote

shadowmeld->stealth->cheap shot or sap

[floral meadow]

okay so the idea in arena would be to kite/los away, then shadowmeld and resealth? it's basically a free restealth without the need to get out of combat?

[potent pivot]

you can shadowmeld to completely negate some CC if you're good enough to "PRE shadowmeld the CC"

[potent pivot]

it can be yeah

[floral meadow]

ok

i understand

[copper maple]

Stormbolt can be melded quite reliably

[minor cape]

also if you see a huge glacial spike or soulfire being casted on you

you can meld

if you have no way of interupting

super multiuse ability

i dont think its that usable as something you use to run away

tho

much more usable aggresively

[harsh steppe]

@terse flower just an update, yep! you can get crests & flighstones from pvp

[proper meadow]

anyone else also missing daggers at the openworldpvp vendor?

[tribal badger]

it doesnt have any

[proper meadow]

y why not its bugged?

or just indiecomp things?

[wary spire]

Appearantly the sword was supposed to be a dagger.

But it ain't.

[proper meadow]

[wary spire]

Wonder if they don't change it just to not refund people who bought it. Like, they could've enchanted it already/transmoged other weapons to it.

[proper meadow]

bet they will let it be and add a dagger like in 1-2 weeks when it doenst even matter anymore xD

but also at the world pvp q´s there cant be a dagger as reward ?

[wary spire]

Hopefully that's the case because otherwise if bloody token dagger still is relevant by then - that would mean that they forgot to add honor or conquest daggers also.

[proper meadow]

that would be a mess

[wary spire]

I kinda want this to be the case because it would be funny.

The forums would explode

[proper meadow]

u just wanna see the world burn

[surreal barn]

So that sub 4pc buff, worth it now?

[potent pivot]

Think so ye

[surreal barn]

I was worried about that! Hope I’m more lucky in vault than last season

[faint vessel]

Will this be enough to kill a warlock one on one

[alpine tinsel]

How is everyone handling the cc nerfs so far?

Rogue feels so squishy that I'm having to play Assa like Sub and its frying me lol

[wary spire]

Still strugglin with that. Hopefully if will get reverted back.

Nobody really crying on the forums about it, so probably nah.

[alpine tinsel]

It feels like that was our only remaining advantage in the game and now its kind of on par with everyone else lol

[terse flower]

Ah, my bad, I was just guessing lol. But now I know. Thanks.

[harsh steppe]

oh nw just lyk
it's pretty surprising tbh

i̶'̶v̶e̶ ̶b̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶w̶h̶i̶l̶e̶ ̶s̶e̶m̶i̶-̶a̶f̶k̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶b̶a̶t̶t̶l̶e̶g̶r̶o̶u̶n̶d̶s̶ ̶&̶ ̶e̶p̶i̶c̶s̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶p̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶h̶o̶u̶r̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶h̶u̶r̶r̶y̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶&̶ ̶c̶a̶p̶ ̶h̶o̶n̶o̶r̶ ̶a̶g̶a̶i̶n̶ ̶b̶e̶f̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶r̶e̶s̶e̶t̶.̶.̶.̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶i̶ ̶f̶e̶e̶l̶ ̶b̶a̶d̶ ̶a̶b̶o̶u̶t this? moral dilemma

[potent pivot]

I think you can technically get banned for this

[harsh steppe]

oh...
*erases previous message

[wary spire]

Also fired

[harsh steppe]

ahaha

[keen dune]

What’s going to be better in shuffle tomorrow sub or sin?

[harsh steppe]

all 3 specs are viable rn

[keen dune]

But do we know what the best one is?

[tribal badger]

no because the season hasnt started yet

[harsh steppe]

sub is always the best, even if it's the worst, because sub = god

[minor cape]

so

i got half of spark

and then found some quest that gave me second half

if i now do malicias quest will i get another one?

(its epic bgs i really dont want to do it)

[jolly sierra]

yeah

[minor cape]

so we get 3 halfs each week?

[tribal badger]

pretty sure u can only get 1 total this week

idk if it just wont give u the half a spark reward or how it works

but the pvers would be up in arms if they had to do the epic bg quest to get an additional half a spark this week

[minor cape]

i see

and vault has a chance to drop set piece next week right?

[tribal badger]

the vault from stuff u do next week (so the vault u open up in 2 weeks) has a chance to give set

the vault u are opening up after the reset tomorrow (or wednesday if ur EU) is still s1 vault

no s2 gear

[minor cape]

oh aight

ty

so no point in farming

[waxen meteor]

Is there something we need to farm other than blood coin before end of today?

[unkempt vine]

No real need to farm blood tokens (doesn't even offer a dagger wep), just farm honor cap and buy full honor gear. You will get enough blood tokens for the item you want to upgrade with strife quest.

Plus 1 crafted piece (boots? Anyone have other thoughts on which craft?)

[worn comet]

that cape?

[elfin oasis]

lul

[unkempt vine]

World pvp is broken, and always will be.

[tribal badger]

game also not remotely balanced around 1v1s

and vs a lot of specs rn id say an equally geared and skilled rogue loses

theres a lot of bursty super tanky 1v1 specs out there

that being said rogues power is u dont ever need to commit to the fight

[waxen meteor]

Oh we can buy the crafted piece already?

i said that first day

i am killed by random warriors on the street

[graceful ravine]

my god fel lance hits like a truck

[unkempt vine]

You get 1 spark, so yes you can craft 1 piece right now.

[graceful ravine]

be careful fellow rogues

[waxen meteor]

fel dance?

[graceful ravine]

fel lance sry

they buffed it this patch and does 60-80k dmg per cast, 6x in the air

fat dmg

1 min cd for 300-400k dmg

[wary spire]

Jesus.

[tribal badger]

its % hp damage

[wary spire]

Ain't crafting shit until like 2 weeks passes. I have 0 trust it all stays the same.

[tribal badger]

like 8% or 10% now?

[graceful ravine]

it does 10% of your hp + mastery, 6x cast in the air

[unkempt vine]

New gear has a lot more stamina, but not THAT much more 👀

[graceful ravine]

it prob does closer to 500-600k with new gear

[tribal badger]

stamina wont save u from it its literally % hp damage

u gotta los it or vanish it

[unkempt vine]

You only equip 2 crafted pieces anyway.

[tribal badger]

and only pillars that go to the ceiling work cause they are like 50 yards in the air

[minor cape]

i played some 2s today

overall sub feels nice

[waxen meteor]

fel lance the DH one?

[minor cape]

but dude

what the hell is up with ench damage

[graceful ravine]

this is one cast in arena

[jolly sierra]

was he using daggers?

[wary spire]

So boomies feel right to you? I've seen some noice on the forums but haven't seen them myself.

[unkempt vine]

I had a resto shammy crit me for 200k yesterday. RESTO. 😭

[jolly sierra]

in bfa the way to fuck that shit

was using smoke bomb

maybe its time to do it again

[waxen meteor]

that talent is sometimes double edge blade i remember

[minor cape]

we killed one dude in 2s and the other one was ench shaman. He burst me to cheat death in like two globals and then proceeded to just murder my partner. We still won cause he didnt have no trinket

but still wth is thtis shit

[waxen meteor]

i think when you jump to the sky, your healer cannot heal you

but hunters etc kills you...

it's super awesome against melee

but it get myself killed everytime playing against hunter 😦

[tribal badger]

they need to be close enough to but they can its just a range thing

ya i wouldnt do it vs marks

its good vs bm also because pets cant hit u

[jolly sierra]

u need to both los or smoke bomb

[tribal badger]

and surv laughs because about 80% of their damage is ranged

[waxen meteor]

that's like throwing a bomb for other team

and honestly even at very close range, i don't think DH can be healed

I have never healed a DH on the sky

maybe i am wrong

[minor cape]

im going to be honest with you dudes i never even heard about fel lance

till today

[tribal badger]

most dh dont run it

because dh hasnt been the kill target in a comp in a good minute

and its damage was soso

[minor cape]

so we get cancerous bursts but not on rogue? 🥹

[tribal badger]

but they buffed it

[waxen meteor]

it's super useful in skirmish

when DH is without healer, that's like ultimate weapon against melee double dps

S+ dmg plus invincible against things like.... rogue.....

imagine against double melee, dh has blur + jump to sky + walk + darkness (that's not much tbh)

[grand haven]

can't you just los it anymore?

[waxen meteor]

use big jump to middle of the field

let the melee chase you

and you go to the sky

pillar what

[wary spire]

I think cloak also worked.

[minor cape]

meld it

you can right?

[wary spire]

Can't see why not.

[jolly sierra]

that shitty talent was very very used in bfa

but dh in bfa was busted af

and yeah, cloak works w that

[graceful ravine]

whats the quickest way to do this as a alt

and dont wanna do the story line chapters

[jolly sierra]

a pve friend say with zone side quests

not campaign

[tawny kestrel]

u dont hand in "smells like loamm"

then u take the quest and then u hand in "smells like loamm"

then u are done

[lucid citrus]

wow this is a joke

[nova hill]

Its a dagger, so its something, i guess

[graceful ravine]

damn think i turned that in already

F

[minor cape]

a fucking haste dagger

[minor cape]

why do it as a pvper

is there a point?

instead of pvp quests

[graceful ravine]

need my spark

[minor cape]

you got epic bgs quest didnt you

[graceful ravine]

oh that works?

lmao

[minor cape]

yes you have to get to that quest where you need to get spark

and then do pvp

quests

[graceful ravine]

oh thank god

ty lol

this is my 3rd time getting a spark and i just quested it each time liek a dumbass

this quest gives me the splinter?

[cobalt pewter]

this shouldnt exist

[tribal badger]

melee when rogue isnt the best target to train 24/7 in every arena anymore because they drop a strong pvp talent for another defensive 😠

its a nice new toy but expensive to take for sure, especially for sub

[cobalt pewter]

rogue was never a target before

[tribal badger]

law gets it for free

oh yea we r just talking about soloq here

[cobalt pewter]

rogue confirmed warriors hardcounter

[graceful ravine]

rogues never a target

2nd highest on first death

[tribal badger]

I mean if rogue is never the kill target why does another defensive on rogue matter

[graceful ravine]

kek

[tribal badger]

thats kinda a catch 22 no?

[cobalt pewter]

its over

rogue meta is back

[tribal badger]

even worse, potentially outlaw meta cause law can take that practically for free and is already tanky af

if sub or sin are taking it they are usually giving up something juicy to be more defensive

especially sub

[cobalt pewter]

friendly stepping makes rogue unkillable

[cobalt pewter]

900cr rogues throwing this stat in your favor

[graceful ravine]

what about now

[tribal badger]

i mean in solo shuffle at least in the 2400-2800 rat leagues everygame I played people trained me but yea idk what 3s meta is like next season

[cobalt pewter]

s l shuffle

[minor cape]

this dude is trolling you fuckers

🫡

[cobalt pewter]

[tribal badger]

nah I mean its understandable its annoying when u press all ur cds and dont accidently cleave the rogue to death while hitting the other dude because he cloaked ur 100k bleed into bladestorm 😠

god arms gunna be so fun this season

cant wait to grind out that mog

[fading blade]

ok nerf warrior ignore pain buffs and dmg output

[minor cape]

is your name a primus reference

[cobalt pewter]

I am the Primus

[minor cape]

i like to imagine that you are playing arena to jerry was a race car driver

and picking your nose at the same time

[cobalt pewter]

[minor cape]

makes me a little horny

nvm

nerf warrior

😎

[cobalt pewter]

[fading blade]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

rogue can cloak disarm off

step disarm my die by the sword off

its over

ggs

[minor cape]

thanks for letting me know

if its true its cool

i mean i never had much problems with warriors in s1 on sub tbh

[cobalt pewter]

cloak removes all bleeds disarm and csmash

[wary spire]

For real?

[tribal badger]

honestly im surprised blizz hasnt globalized DH defensive with the direction they are putting pvp

[wary spire]

Never tried that

[tribal badger]

just make it so evasion and DbtS both work from front and behind

🙂

after all dhs can dodge from behind

[cobalt pewter]

cant parry from behind and cant parry while disarmed

just takes my parry off

[jolly sierra]

teleports behind you
disarm

PSHHHH NOTHING PERSONNEL KID

[minor cape]

also in my head blur can dodge cheap shot

is it true?

[tribal badger]

how tf u gunna parry without a sword??? flavor is important

[minor cape]

or am i crazy

[tribal badger]

idk i havent cast cheap shot on a dh yet, they shouldnt be able to

but they probably can

[cobalt pewter]

i have multiple swords floating around me during die by

[tribal badger]

those are just the brain damage from smashing into people at 40 mph

warrior PoV

there arent actual swords

[cobalt pewter]

we play shockwave now

[tribal badger]

i have seen that on streams

[cobalt pewter]

warrior confirmed takes more skill than rogue

[tribal badger]

seems fun

[cobalt pewter]

[tribal badger]

what r u dropping for it

wait is shockwave a 4s stun still?

[minor cape]

make a macro where you scream JERRY I LOVE COCKS for each spell or Trickz will kick you

[cobalt pewter]

not rly anything

[minor cape]

@cobalt pewter

[cobalt pewter]

they just buffed it to 3s

[tribal badger]

oh it was 2s

nice

[cobalt pewter]

[tribal badger]

does it go thru parry/dodges

its an aoe it should right

[minor cape]

you will have one more crowd control?

warrior is the new rogue

confirmed

[cobalt pewter]

arms warrior is the big brain spec

always has been

[jolly sierra]

i have more ccs than most warrs w panda racial

[minor cape]

should i make an arms warrior myself

[cobalt pewter]

we dont talk about fury tho

[minor cape]

how much will i suffer while leveling

[tribal badger]

not at all warrior leveling is a vibe

[cobalt pewter]

be prepared to be ganked all day

[jolly sierra]

needed to craft a decay 395 bracer

[minor cape]

ill just dungeon all the way

[jolly sierra]

to fill w the slimy shit

[minor cape]

[cobalt pewter]

[tribal badger]

play prot

super vibe

[minor cape]

fuck tanking

[cobalt pewter]

no

[minor cape]

what am i a peasant

😎

[tribal badger]

??

instant dungeon queues

i give u rotation r u ready

[cobalt pewter]

we hate tanks here

right???

[tribal badger]

hit thunder stomp on cd

[minor cape]

but you have to actually know dungeons

to tank

[tribal badger]

mash revenge for rest

run through whole dungeon pulling all mobs to boss

hp bar doesnt move

top dps

[minor cape]

i dont even give a shit about pve i just want to braindead

[tribal badger]

thats prot warrior dungeon leveling

yes exactly

[minor cape]

really?

[tribal badger]

yes

leveling dungeons r a joke

[minor cape]

even as low lvl

[tribal badger]

and prot warrior is super strong

well idk about pre 20 thats when i started doing dungeons

[jolly sierra]

got my cum covered boots

[tribal badger]

but also scaling is super weird

super low levels in dungeons do hyper damage

and r hyper tanky

so probably fine

[minor cape]

mmm expulsion babosa

[tribal badger]

top dps in low level dungeons is almost always a tank

[minor cape]

[minor cape]

true

what do slime boots do

[cobalt pewter]

[tribal badger]

hows turbo cookin this season

enhance got some wild new pvp talents

mmm i need to ping my enhance friend

[cobalt pewter]

turbo gunna be 👌

[minor cape]

wait they give free dam and only drawback is reducing useless stat

[tribal badger]

yaya it looks like fun

[minor cape]

thats sick as hell

[jolly sierra]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

i played disc turbo last ssn cuz im not a fotm nerd who needs a fist monk

[tribal badger]

based

[cobalt pewter]

[tribal badger]

man the new enhance healing talent is wild

and enhance damage rn is spooky

[minor cape]

enchance damage is autistic as hell

[cobalt pewter]

time 2 win

[minor cape]

they probably run in with eyes closed and pray to crit or some shit

[tribal badger]

nah u just do good damage

and sometimes u proc and global someone

oopsie

shoulda reacted to my proc with a defensive

😠

[minor cape]

noooo shamans role is to be oneshot by a rogue

not the other way around

[cobalt pewter]

not on my watch

[minor cape]

no mud you get shived

[cobalt pewter]

[jolly sierra]

cum is strong in retail

626k fourth sauce of dmg

[minor cape]

its those boots

or wha

[jolly sierra]

yeah

i cum hard

[cobalt pewter]

POV : you, tonight.

[minor cape]

im crafting cum boots

[jolly sierra]

XD

[tribal badger]

PoV: the rogue just kidneyd ur healer and used his cds on you

[jolly sierra]

i just crafted them cuz guildies forced me to decide fast

[tribal badger]

shaman PoV this season

[jolly sierra]

for rbgs

[tribal badger]

[minor cape]

are you trying to hit on me

is this a flirt

[jolly sierra]

hola sexo

[cobalt pewter]

[tribal badger]

wait does details really show each individual dot tick that skullsplitter squeezed out

I was gunna say "only a 71k skullsplitter"

[minor cape]

me la jale con gasolina!!!

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[graceful ravine]

lmao fel lanced

[tribal badger]

bro just

hide

leave the arena

so the dh cant hurt u

if u take off all ur gear the fel lance will only hit for like 10k

[minor cape]

dh is such a fucked class, feels like dhs actual abilities are fillers and some shit that was put there for shits and giggles deals huge dam

[jolly sierra]

are we back to bfa?

[cobalt pewter]

rogue is such a fucked class, feels like rogues actual abilities are fillers and some shit that was put there for shits and giggles deals huge dam

[tawny kestrel]

100k mortal strikes 6 second cd >

[wary spire]

We have huge dam somewhere?

[jolly sierra]

cum boots

just crafted them and did crazy dmg

[pale storm]

you crafted 450 slimy expulsion boots?

[jolly sierra]

yeah

crazy source of dmg

from an arena, those are the boots

[copper maple]

Did they add some weird extra damage sources bfa style?

Why

[minor cape]

i mean

i cant argue

[minor cape]

its just assa thing?

or are those boots bis for sub too rn

[tribal badger]

R u sure thats the damage aource

Because boots r like

2 to 4% of ur damage if that in pve

Idk why theyd be doing so much more in pvp

Unless bugged maybe

[jolly sierra]

dunno

[minor cape]

they proc on dots?

[tribal badger]

Might be scaling with some stuff its not supposed to

[jolly sierra]

yep

that are

[lyric onyx]

surely infurious boots are the way

[jolly sierra]

proc in dots tho

[lyric onyx]

main stat every 30 seconds

[minor cape]

maybe thats a single target vs aoe thing

[jolly sierra]

lemme do another one

second source of damage

at 1k8 mmr 2s

[fading blade]

#2?

[jolly sierra]

yeah

#2

B A B A C O R R O S I V A

[fading blade]

Wtf that damage

[jolly sierra]

too few setup for details

[jolly sierra]

my own

[fading blade]

Boutta craft me some boots

[jolly sierra]

cum boots

[lyric onyx]

dont craft yet

could be nerfed

wait til season start

[jolly sierra]

i did cuz my rbg leader forced me

else i won't

[lyric onyx]

bruh fuck that

rbg leader forced you to use shadowflame and trophy of conq 😦

[jolly sierra]

its ok

if is not nerfed

then i will go bonkers

killing people

[lyric onyx]

true

[jolly sierra]

like now

[lyric onyx]

praying it doesnt get nerfed for your sake now

coz thatll be a big L

[jolly sierra]

also

think we will get 2 sparks in 2 more weeks

[lyric onyx]

how do we get more trophys of conq tho

[jolly sierra]

"we will go in full blues in w spark gear for next wednesday"

"to dont have any issues in the start, trophies were intended to make early items"

quote

[pale storm]

Wonder if the crafted daggers using 450 pvp ilvl thing will be BiS since you can get mastery/vers if they keep bloody tokens one how they are

[jolly sierra]

ah

u cant do that

w weps

[lyric onyx]

cant craft weps with the things

only slot you cant do

[pale storm]

Big RIP

[lyric onyx]

we can basically have full vers/mast other than main hand dagger

assuming the scalewarden dagger is ver/mas

[jolly sierra]

if we are in assa

think we are going OH scalewarden MH glad one

[lyric onyx]

yeh exactly

[jolly sierra]

sadly scalewarden is haste/vers

[minor cape]

why we even care about bloody token daggers

[lyric onyx]

ah damn

[jolly sierra]

but better than crit in my spec, so

[jolly sierra]

u

[lyric onyx]

ye for sub 2 glad daggers then

[jolly sierra]

get the pvp sword

ah

no

u can get the pvp sword tho

is versa/mastery

[minor cape]

why dont we just get honor shit

[jolly sierra]

for OH

[pale storm]

The vers/mastery bloody toke 1.8 sword OH with glad dagger MH

[jolly sierra]

see

[lyric onyx]

oh shit the scalewarden dagger got added

since when

[jolly sierra]

today

[minor cape]

if there will be honor/conq weapon w vers mastery

[jolly sierra]

ninja added

[minor cape]

dont even need thay dagger

🤔🤔🤔