pvp

[jolly sierra]

is fkn art too

[tribal badger]

the rogue one is dope af

and priest one yea

main reason im prepping priest rn

figured i might as well get this seasons before it goes away

[jolly sierra]

look

how are u going w priest now?

[tribal badger]

1750

closin in

im like 411 ilvl so its a struggle

did not get good stuff from my boxes

but at least queues r instant

[jolly sierra]

its something

cmon u got this

[hollow sleet]

honor doesn't reset tomorrow right

[tribal badger]

nobody knows

[jolly sierra]

u will know after maintenance

[hollow sleet]

it didn't in shadowlands?

[jolly sierra]

nope but this is DF

so who knows

[tribal badger]

shadowlands wasntthe same tho

[hollow sleet]

what about bloody tokens?

[tribal badger]

there wasnt honor gear each season that beat previous seasons conq

so honor didnt matter once u had conq

[waxen meteor]

Grat

[jolly sierra]

thank you, finally can rest for a week

[waxen meteor]

no you can't

time to have a new alt

Warlock where

[jolly sierra]

nooooo

[waxen meteor]

if you want to zug you can go hunter

or DK DH

[jolly sierra]

well

i have an alt lock from wod

has the CM set

but no way i'll go dh if ret exists lol

dk seems like a good idea

[light estuary]

when's next season starting?

[tribal badger]

a week from tomorrow

[jolly sierra]

i got like 12k conq w the warr

how much time i spent in it? lol

nvm using everything in chests

[waxen meteor]

Got my priest with all conq gear today

I still haven't figured out which trinket human needs

[light estuary]

ty @tribal badger

[jolly sierra]

think insignia and badge

[tribal badger]

wait i hit 1800 but i didnt get my achievmenty

did the season already end?

it says highest rating of previous season 1800 but it didnt unlock mogs 😠

[waxen meteor]

ah damn

rated game stops

priest was slowly climbing

got a 5-1 last solo, and got 2 kills

it's so fun to do the kill steal from dps

[tribal badger]

zzz

its not even 12 am server time yet

y stop

blizz sucks

i was 10 rating short

[waxen meteor]

gotta travel tmr

will watch here for how good we are in 10.1 homies

[jolly sierra]

god

F for the priest

blizz trolled u tho, what about sending a ticket?

[wanton breach]

worth a shot, might easily be declined though

[nova hill]

Are secondary stats important as outlaw?
Wanna give it a try but just have vers/mastery/tempo equip

[light estuary]

did the CC nerfs go in yet? or next week?

[minor cape]

shouldnt human have stun trinket too?

cause their racial can only break stuns

but not incaps and disorients and shit

correct me if im wrong tho

[surreal barn]

Insignia is the stun trink

You might be able to get away with the other on a few other classes now that ccs are lowered but not on rogue

[queen geyser]

Final dub of the season. Good luck and good hunting to the rest of you next season.

[copper maple]

You mostly trinket stuns as dps

Can get away with just the racial

[minor cape]

i sometimes trinket blinds and shit too but im a risky boi

[copper maple]

Depends on the class as well perhaps

On rogue it's risky most of the time to trinket something else

[minor cape]

i thinks its the one that gives you stats randomly

[copper maple]

Real chads trinket sap though

[minor cape]

well you know sometimes a healer has to xd

not anymore

tho

[copper maple]

I've had a lobby where a guy trinketed half sap

Just to eat a full blind

But it was a dps fault who yolod behind the pillar

And healer couldn't get combat

[minor cape]

yeah, i play a nelf rogue anyway. But i do have a human lock that i sometimes trinket incaps and disorients on so i play stun trink

y know when i really want to make a final push

[copper maple]

I had a human priest and I was hating the racial on a healer

[minor cape]

and kill a guy

and not be peeled off

[copper maple]

Ended up race changing lol

[minor cape]

well its still a good racial!

because when you use it

it puts your trinket on a lower cooldown

[copper maple]

It's useless if you need to equip a trinket

[minor cape]

no

it lowers trinket cd

[copper maple]

It puts trinket on like 1.5 min cd

[minor cape]

it gives like -30s

[copper maple]

Idk what you mean

Maybe it's a new thing

[minor cape]

if you use human racial instead of trinket

it puts trinket on lower cd

[copper maple]

I last played this priest as human in BFA

[minor cape]

than if you just used trinket

[copper maple]

I didn't like it anyway

Void elf is cooler

[minor cape]

i tried to fact check

[copper maple]

Though 3 min cd on such a niche racial seems overkill

[minor cape]

and google does will to survive lower cooldown of trinket

it autocomopleted me to does will toledo have schizophrenia

[copper maple]

But then there're nightborne with 3 min cd aoe slow xD

[minor cape]

i genuinely think void elfs racial is sleeper for casters

[copper maple]

It is, also fun to use

More fun than extra trinket

[copper maple]

I thought the same of NE for rogues, took a while for it to take over

Void elves gonna be meta for casters in 12.0, trust me xD

[minor cape]

[wary spire]

They were so close to being a cool race.

[copper maple]

They still look worse than the NPCs for some reason

Look like budget night elves

[wary spire]

Look like angry grandpas.

[copper maple]

Like all male NE faces except maybe one xD

[potent pivot]

Should be in with weekly reset

[potent pivot]

Secondary stats in pvp in general are pretty important, Vers being the top priority. Coming into season 2 they’ve nerfed Crit dmg in pvp so outlaws preferred stats may change a little, still unclear atm

[surreal barn]

I should have paired up w one of you sub rogues for meme 2s where we just blind and sap until damp 80%

To honor what will be lost forever

[nova hill]

I mean im fully pvp equipped

So my second secondary stats are mastery/haste (beside vers on every stat)

I was just wondering how big the difference between crit and the other stats is

[harsh steppe]

void elf ftw
human & orc are always talked about & considered mandatory but i don't think people realize how valuable spatial rift, it's essentialy an extra shadowstep that you can use when rooted. you can also use it to get away from anybody, since they either have to stay on you or chase the rift. on top of that the 5% damage buff we get adds up so much, & while some say 5% damage is negligible, i don't think people realize how often it pops, it's almost constantly on

[fierce crystal]

do we think checkpvp is accurate with cutoff

[copper maple]

I enjoy it on priest a lot. The class has 0 mobility so the rift is pretty good. Not a master of it, but I successfully got away from melees and landed a couple fears on healers with it venthyr style 🙂

Only annoying when you get cc'd and the buff expires.

[harsh steppe]

yah i wish the cc was shorter, but it's still hella op
my main alt is a priest as well, i agree

[wary spire]

This just kinda makes me wish racials were just talents you can pick and choose.

[copper maple]

Races would lose some flavour tbh

Maybe if you had to do some cool quest chain it'd alright

But I don't see them adding a cool quest chain to unlock a racial ability for each race

It seemingly takes years to make a bloody heritage armour

[wary spire]

Yeah I know. Making races more bland would be a bummer. New open world only abilities or more race specific quests tmogs and toys would remedy that, but yeah, nobody will bother to do it.

I just want a root break or a teleport or a rocket jump without much hustle.

[untold remnant]

ROGUE NEEDS A BUFF

[shut viper]

Could anyone from NA confirm if honor resets or no?

[potent pivot]

Most accurate thing is going to be blizzards site

[fierce crystal]

they dont have cutoff

[potent pivot]

I can let you know later on sure. Pretty sure the reset hasn’t even happened yet

[potent pivot]

Wdym by cut off exactly

What rating is safe?

[fierce crystal]

y pretty much

[potent pivot]

You can normally just figure it out

[shut viper]

Thanks fam. I have 4 toons capped, if it resets I buy marks of honor, it it doesn’t I last min cap two more toons 😂

[fierce crystal]

I mean it says its 26 rogue spots

but is that actually spots

or are that that number 26 is safe, counting alts

[potent pivot]

Check how many slots there’s supposed to be for horde/alliance and then find the person that’s the lowest

[fierce crystal]

im asking for SS

[potent pivot]

Not sure there’s any way to check that until the process is over at this point

The alt thing I mean

[shut viper]

Does the alt rule apply to ss too?

[fierce crystal]

mby it doesnt actually

should do, stupid otherwise

im rank 11 now with 26 spots

should be fine

[potent pivot]

Outlaw has been crit/vers for season 1. There’s not really a way to know what’s going to be best in season 2 without actually testing it, because of the crit dmg nerf

[shut viper]

If it does it might be close to impossible to know what will be the final number of r1s

[faint vessel]

Will sub still hit like a wet noodle in 10.1?

[obsidian moon]

The alts just add spots, the cutoff showing is accurate

[glacial aurora]

Someone posted a build awhile back of DFA hitting some high numbers, I'm gonna try it today. They had the 4pc tho which prolly helped the crit damage idk tho its a long shot

[wary spire]

Guys, please don't try too hard in the next two weeks, we need pity buffs.

[glacial aurora]

Backstab does 10% more damage now we r saved❗️❗️❗️

[jolly sierra]

both share cd

[lucid citrus]

So NE>Human right?

[minor cape]

yeah but when you use human racial your trinket goes on a lower cd

than if you would just use your normal trinket

am i wrong on this one?

🤔

[pale storm]

NE is really nice though, especially for assa getting an extra vanish to double or triple silence

[minor cape]

can anyone deny or confirm? i might be a fucker for spreading false info

[scarlet shell]

Shadowmeld good

[jolly sierra]

i recall if u use trinket instead human racial it triggers a cd which take like 1.5m to use every man

so is almost pointless to use trinket as human tho

[magic arch]

Ye

Oh

[minor cape]

oooh

yeah

[jolly sierra]

the idea of using human is using every man

[magic arch]

I remember it just when on a lower cd

[jolly sierra]

else just go orc xd

[magic arch]

Ye

[minor cape]

i just remember something went on a lower cd xd

[jolly sierra]

undead tho

it triggers 30s cd

[minor cape]

and another special ability

remove you from stealth

🫡

[jolly sierra]

touch of the grave

zzzzzz

[minor cape]

undeads are so cool just give em walk upright option and im playing em forever

you guys already playing 10.1

?

it only comes out tommorow for eu right?

[jolly sierra]

yeah, tomorrow for us

think NA players are still in maintenance

[minor cape]

i thought you played on american servers too?

[jolly sierra]

nope lol

[scarlet shell]

EU unite.

[minor cape]

we need to make an epic collab and play 3s then

😎

[chrome schooner]

when are the end of season titles awarded ?

on next season start or earlier ?

[jolly sierra]

can be lol

[pale storm]

I believe it takes a week

[minor cape]

lesss gooo

will have to farm gear first tho

[graceful ravine]

is it outlaw time??????

i hated playing my warrior

so boring

getting kited for days

not fun

[pale storm]

R1 this season Davy??

[graceful ravine]

doubt it

im not that good lol

im a low glad

[jolly sierra]

pls log in when u can a confirm us pvp stuff if is possible

[graceful ravine]

ya

[radiant anvil]

[pale storm]

Patiently waiting for realms to come up lol 5 hours 20 mins to go 😅

[radiant anvil]

[graceful ravine]

whats bis race for outlaw?

feel like NE isnt that good

[radiant anvil]

outlaw eww

[pale storm]

Surely Orc is BiS now, imma stay NE and Tauren though

[graceful ravine]

getting 1-2 more ambushs off via shadowmeld doesnt seem like much value

[chrome schooner]

eh

shadowmeld is still an insane pvp racial

we, as rogues, are kind of used to see its restealth value

[graceful ravine]

ah right to meld stuff

fair

[chrome schooner]

but even on non rogue classes it's been one of the best racials forever

if it doesn't grant good stealth benefits it can still be used the normal way

[graceful ravine]

• more flexibility if you swap to sub/assa for a few games too

[minor cape]

cheapshot activation!!

[graceful ravine]

cheap shot will be pretty strong imo

[minor cape]

its 4s now

[graceful ravine]

its one of the longest stuns in the game now

[minor cape]

ye

sounds great

[graceful ravine]

i hope honor set is out cos i dont even have a conq sword lmao

[minor cape]

oh wait

no conq in pre season?

[graceful ravine]

we'll find out in a few hrs

[jolly sierra]

NA players are our guinea pigs in that sense

they always tanks the nerfs and buffs 1 day earlier lol

[graceful ravine]

patch day pvp typically the most toxic

cos you get looped in with r1s at 0 cr

[jolly sierra]

yeah

but i have a theory

maybe they will add s2 stuff for today cuz the new spark is getting added too

for day 1

[potent pivot]

Usually yeah afaik

Just a thought btw;

As far as I know they are wanting NS to go back to snapshotting DoTs like it used to

So I think Dance on sin might be worth looking into again

Also crimson tempest could be pretty good with tier set

[chrome schooner]

I mean, sacrificing so many talents to get dance to get 8% more dmg on dots for 20s

Doesn't sound so so appealing :p

[potent pivot]

Yeah I know

Just think it’s worth a try

[chrome schooner]

I'll let people do it and watch the results :p

CT tho, yeah

Although

I think the tier is already nerfed by half in PvP

So in the end it's 10% more CT dmg

The same as with current tier

[potent pivot]

It is yeah

[chrome schooner]

Only difference it gets amplified with the 4P, but so does Envenom

So, if CT wasn't the pick this ssn, it won't be next

Since it basically doesn't change

[potent pivot]

I just think it’s be good especially vs melee cleaves

(If you ever see any lol)

[chrome schooner]

That being said, I think CT was better than people thought this season

[potent pivot]

Same

[chrome schooner]

I played it in some super cleave comps like assa affli

and it really did good damage

[potent pivot]

Yeah I enjoyed playing it tbh

Also apparently in aoe pve sims

They’re actually clipping DM with exsang

To get out the nature buff from tier set faster

I don’t really think that will have much impact on pvp though tbh

[light estuary]

ty!

[tribal badger]

man I looked at the timing

i loaded up into a soloq match in s1

then s1 ended mid match

and i got my 1800 on my priest from that game

[jolly sierra]

still dont get how tf they disabled rated before maintenance

but F dude

u did a very good speedrun w alts anyways

[tribal badger]

im tempted to make a ticket

i feel robbed

missing just the helm appearence due to this

but its also a mog i didnt really care about, mostly leveled my priest for the s2 mog

[jolly sierra]

do it

else u won't get it anymore

until u die

[surreal barn]

So what’s rogue feel like

Can’t play till tomorrow

[tribal badger]

the new patch hasnt hit

[surreal barn]

Oh really I thought it was today

[tribal badger]

yes but servers are down

[surreal barn]

Gotcha

[tribal badger]

probably for anothber 3-4 hours

if we're lucky

🙂

[wary spire]

Wait, don't they have a hidden mmr?

[tribal badger]

yes but ur mmr usually soft resets

itll be lower then ur rating was

theyll place out of the low bracket mmr games pretty quick

[potent pivot]

They always end the season ladder the night before

A little weird but it’s understandable imo

Good to bring the season to a close during a more “prime time” hour

Instead of first thing in the morning

[jolly sierra]

F

[jolly sierra]

season just ended in europe

[surreal barn]

Which Europeans are the best gamers

[minor cape]

me

[jolly sierra]

me smash

[minor cape]

i invented disarming mage

any questions?

[jolly sierra]

WHY DISARM MAGE

[minor cape]

so he panics and thinks he cant press anything

also to psychologically pressure him

[nova fiber]

hello guys, Will there be a guide on pvp-focused talents this week?

[minor cape]

noone yet knows how to play any class

in 10.1

🥹

but hopefully

[nova fiber]

❤️

[minor cape]

🙏🙏

@potent pivot writes them in this discord

[jolly sierra]

i would laugh tbh if im getting disarmed on my monk

[lucid citrus]

servers are up for NA

[graceful ravine]

lets goooooooo

[harsh steppe]

uhh how do i do pvp?

[graceful ravine]

farm honor

[scarlet shell]

you got all the new honor gear...?

[harsh steppe]

i have 15k

[scarlet shell]

already?

[harsh steppe]

no new gear from any vendors/vault

[graceful ravine]

uhhh... we cant pvp

LOL

cant buy new honor gear

[harsh steppe]

wow blizzard, just, wow

[graceful ravine]

can do 2s and 3s

no shuffle

thanks blizz

[jolly sierra]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

holy fuck

[scarlet shell]

the new gear hasnt arrived yet?

why?

[tawny kestrel]

new season isnt till next week

[scarlet shell]

are they waiting a week

ah

[graceful ravine]

they should fix shuffle then

lower the ilvl requirement

[scarlet shell]

pvpers have to play zaralek caverns lmao

[jolly sierra]

pvpers needs to harass ppl in outdoor

[graceful ravine]

do pvpers get anything from the zaralek cav

[scarlet shell]

is Loamm a sanctuary?

world pvp should be a thing in the caverns

[lucid citrus]

Can’t even farm bloody tokens right now either

[scarlet shell]

actually what am i saying, i get attacked by the guards bc apparently my enemies keep my DoTs out of the Batlegrounds

[graceful ravine]

uhh do i need to complete forbidden reach before zaralek cavs?

[harsh steppe]

so i need to do zaralek caverns, w/e that is, to increase my pvp ilvl to do solo shuffle?

[jolly sierra]

no

u need to wait for a hotfix

that is ridiculous

ah but wait

what about checking the spark for now?

they said that will be added today

[minor cape]

ayo what no honor gear till next week?

what is this bullshit

you think its a bug?

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

[graceful ravine]

they fixed shuffle

i can queue now

[lucid citrus]

Nicee

[jolly sierra]

well

but still no new gear yet

so we are just going like we are rn

[potent pivot]

I’m going to try to have some updated stuff up in the next week or so yes, but things may change after that once people start acquiring their tier sets too so just keep that in mind

[wicked rampart]

Yes

[wicked rampart]

No, it's offseason, this is normal. The shuffle requirement was likely just a bug and not meant to be enabled yet.

[jolly sierra]

at least i did forbidden reach w the rog

but damn, was pretty disappointing tbh

[pale storm]

Season 2 doesn’t start until next week, do you gain anything from SS/Arena rn?

Just practicing with new talents and changes? Can’t get conq or rating right?

[wicked rampart]

Correct

Well I think you could technically get rating achievements still because you still technically play at your end of season rating, but the ladder is locked for placements

[graceful ravine]

new talents? what new talents

[wicked rampart]

Reworked pvp talents should be active ya?

[simple crest]

i hate these "kill elite" wpvp quests. everyones here killing themselves, i just want the pants from the quest

[waxen meteor]

So what are we expected to do after patch?

[simple crest]

is new pvp gear available? or does that come with season start?

[spring bough]

dispatch doing a pretty noticeable bump in damage

[lucid citrus]

Anyone have an outlaw build to use?

[potent pivot]

The one in #pvp-faq should still be decent as far as I know

[spring bough]

using the HO shadow step build still and its honestly a noticeable dmg inc from yesterday. ambush #1 as usual on dmg but disptach #2 now

[jolly sierra]

u can get the rbg titles tho

[spring bough]

this new quest is on like a pvp enabled island

and it is chaos

[simple crest]

is anyone elses elvui bugged in pvp. i can only see the nameplate of someone i have targeted. i did update it, and have nameplates turned on.

[potent pivot]

It’s a new patch, addons are going to be bugged until updated

[spring bough]

elvui had a new version out today i didnt have problems with the solo shuff i just did

[potent pivot]

Sometimes all the kinks don’t get worked out on PTR by the addon authors

[simple crest]

i figured, just making sure they didnt change a setting i didnt know about.

[pale storm]

https://twitter.com/roguenahj/status/1653498023757111297?s=46&t=AqKD-O46lq5b5odKxaJ4xg

nahj (@roguenahj)

Seems the PTR bug of enemy nameplates only showing on people you target made it to live. That pretty much made ptr untestable for me, hopefully its fixed before season next week.

Twitter · May 2, 2023, 8:33 PM

Looks like Nahj encountered this on ptr

[simple crest]

im so glad Thief's Bargain works now.

[potent pivot]

[wary spire]

Is it any good it just in principle?

[potent pivot]

it could be good

little more survivability

[graceful ravine]

uhhh is it me or is Zarlek Cavern small and ugly

why would anyone be excited to quest here

[spring bough]

anyone else hit up some solos as outlaw? it feels pretty strong lol

[wary spire]

Don't do it, don't give me hope.

[spring bough]

5-1 first two games feelin like a bully lol

new veil pvp talent is Hot

[simple crest]

i primarily use it for bgs and wpvp to attack and vanish more often.

[graceful ravine]

stop itttt

[potent pivot]

pretty sure pika snuck into r1 range last night playing outlaw

[graceful ravine]

pika destroyed someone else's r1 dreams

[potent pivot]

a rogue destroyed someone else's r1 dreams

add another player to the masses

surely they won't nerf us again

[spring bough]

i dont think im gonna try this KIR for arena. seems like HO still where its at. dispatch feels nice being top 2 on dmg

[pale storm]

hell yeah, get to wear my glad title 1 more week

[graceful ravine]

grats

[potent pivot]

i dislike they very idea of playing KIR in pvp lol

[graceful ravine]

whats HO again?

[spring bough]

i tried it the last few days and sometimes it works other times its crap

[potent pivot]

hidden opp

[spring bough]

hidden opp for the ambush

[graceful ravine]

ah

is there a point to finish the new quest line

im 2/7 and already bored

[spring bough]

shadowflame comes from it doesnt it?

so we can craft some new pvp pieces

[austere thorn]

so my combo point display on target doesnt work anymore

anyone know a workaround? its always either maxed out or zero. The one below my frame works tho

[potent pivot]

they updated the default combo point graphic

prolly broke it

[waxen meteor]

Outlaw?

[spring bough]

yup

smoked a sin rogue in my second game lol

oh you wanna bleed me up? cloak lol

[waxen meteor]

Do we have the new honor gear

[graceful ravine]

can u cloak deathmark?

[twin burrow]

What's the legend pennent like

[spring bough]

didnt notice if that came off but the new pvp talent says "removes harmful physical effects" if deathmark is physical i think it would

[twin burrow]

Someone post

[graceful ravine]

lol rip assa

[potent pivot]

nop

[waxen meteor]

#pvp message

So this is fixed?

[potent pivot]

i think so

[glacial aurora]

How do the niffen speak english?

If they've been isolated underground for thousands of years how rf they speaking to us

[spring bough]

oh wow they changed the pvp boots from CC to +510 primary stat for 10 seconds. had no idea lol

[graceful ravine]

is the quest line account bound?

hope i dont need to do it twice

[spring bough]

it might be. i just got to the spark part now doing some epic bgs to get the spark and make a new piece

[twin burrow]

just got on, whats first friends?

[potent pivot]

finish s1 campaign if you haven't, then do s2 campaign

farm honor cap if you haven't already

that's basically it

[tender ferry]

Oh lord I haven’t touched any campaign quests whatsoever

Probably won’t still

[lucid citrus]

is it best to get bloody tokens right now for wpvp gear is just wait till crafted gear comes out

[tame nexus]

Ouch

[jolly sierra]

are bloody tokens reseted?

[twin burrow]

forbidden reach looks like im s1 questing lol

ppl saying u need campaign for gear no?

[waxen meteor]

Why do we need blood token now

[broken otter]

So, is Outlaw the new go-to RSS spec? Or is it still Assassin?

[twin burrow]

we needed it before remember tarny, idk about now

prolly tho

[waxen meteor]

Oh so prep for s2 blood token gear?

I am assuming three will be new blood token gear based on the conversation

Correct me if I am speaking dumb thing

[jolly sierra]

yeah new gear will be added for s2

but no info about mastery dagger yet

[waxen meteor]

Ok

Thanks！

Outlaw is double slow weapon or only mh slow

[broken otter]

Where can I find an up-to-date Outlaw build? I've never really played the spec before. Looking to give it a go.

I see the one in the pins, but that's outdated? Or is that still a good build?

[twin burrow]

dumb thing tarny! at least i think so. they are going to just re-use blood tokens/strife all xpac

no reason for it to change

the quests and method are already fleshed out.. and theyre not too grindy

and actually involve some pvp

[jolly sierra]

but the real question is

will bloody tokens be reseted?

[potent pivot]

the one in the faq is still good

[jolly sierra]

else ill use everything in weapons to sell

[potent pivot]

you kinda have to i'm pretty sure

to get the shadowflame

[graceful ravine]

is there a portal to zav cavs

[pale storm]

The blue post had said bloody tokens would reset for s2

[graceful ravine]

ding

not doing it twice tho F that

[jolly sierra]

gotcha, using everything in gear to resell

[potent pivot]

You don’t get it automatically on alts?

[graceful ravine]

Not sure, haven’t logged on rogue

[potent pivot]

They made a post on wowhead about shadowflame on alts and catch up

I haven’t read it yet

[jolly sierra]

nice, i'll check which shit does worth the most

drakebreaker's shroud worth 46.58 by 200 tokens

drakebreaker's shiv worth 92.27 by 400 tokens

drakebreaker's broadsword worth 117.83g by 800 tokens

u guys already know what to do

stonks

[graceful ravine]

@spring bough can you post your build for outlaw

do you macro AR and shadow dance together?

[wise breach]

Uhhh, there is no dagger on the bloody tokens vendor.........

[jolly sierra]

no yet

but of there are not for real in s2 we are fucked

[wise breach]

There will be for honor and conquest of course

But this is all we get for world pvp gear unless it gets hotfixed in

[jolly sierra]

still found stupid than there are not pvp daggers from wpvp vendor

[spring bough]

i have my trinket on shadow dance and just hit AR seperate

[spring bough]

this is what ive been rocking. keep going back and forth between 2/2 CTO and 1/2 CTO with greenskin. cant decide what i like better lol. can def pickup more utility. i dont use gouge or shadowstep but you can move stuff around to get them BQQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFAAAJIRkEBikQCJBkEJJJikkkECAAAAAAQUigUSCIREAAAA

[graceful ravine]

gonna try this

taking all the healing talents on the left side

leech + snd heal + vial

maybe never die?

[waxen meteor]

No improved wound?

[jolly sierra]

so is shadow getting a rework now?

uhh i wanna see

well, they improved compared to last time

[quaint cedar]

am I crazy or is outlaw actually doing really good damage now?

[jolly sierra]

outlaw one

[quaint cedar]

haven't tried any shuffles yet but just in duels it feels like I'm slapping hard

[jolly sierra]

sub one

a guy here said won 5-1

as outlaw

in SS

[graceful ravine]

i think vanish heal is too important

for outlaw

[jolly sierra]

dunno tbh, ask wowhead staff how they did the tree lol

but at least assa one is very standard

[spring bough]

im having mad fun with OL right now lol

[lucid citrus]

ol?

[graceful ravine]

outlaw

massive hp

[spring bough]

526,500 over here lol

[graceful ravine]

this is the pennant

[quaint cedar]

on ptr with the new conquest gear I had 684k HP

[jolly sierra]

the pennant looks like its need more viagra

[quaint cedar]

lmao

it looks a bit sad

[jolly sierra]

i thought it would be flowing with wind like prestige ones

but is a little disappointing imo xd

[graceful ravine]

ya it doesnt move lol

flaps down

[jolly sierra]

weak pp

[graceful ravine]

Not automatic? I logged on rogue and still had to do quest

Feels bad that I spent all my rogues conq on boxes for warrior

Now I have no conq for a sword for outlaw

[lucid citrus]

do we want the bloody token axes for outlaw?

[potent pivot]

that's LAME

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-announces-spark-of-shadowflame-catchup-mechanics-alts-and-new-332723

that's the post about alts and catch up

[vocal surge]

which build you running?

[quaint cedar]

BQQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFAAAJIRkEBikQSREIJRSkISSSiIAAAAAAAJFEOQJJBSCBAAAA

[graceful ravine]

Looks like that’s applicable weeks months into the patch for catch ups

Not for day 1 alts

[quaint cedar]

just got out of a shuffle

demo lock, warr, and ret pally (of course lol)

I actually kept up with them in damage

[graceful ravine]

I hope haste is outlaws best stat after nerfs to crit

[quaint cedar]

got a 3-3

[graceful ravine]

Running out of energy is lame

[waxen meteor]

No this one?

[quaint cedar]

you can play it if you want. you could swap out the 2/2 count the odds into 1/2 count the odds + GSW, or even just loaded dice + GSW

I've been experimenting with different combinations, not sure which one I like exactly yet

[waxen meteor]

Lol I am waiting for gsw now but that’s golden state warriors

[potent pivot]

i sorta doubt it ngl

you barely notice a difference from ~10% -> 30% haste

but ya never know

i'm thinking it's gonna be a crit/mastery mix

[quaint cedar]

I think crit is still good yeah

[vocal surge]

Crit's still gonna be a highly weighted stat

due to the amount of crit we have baseline

[graceful ravine]

Mastery for outlaw?

[potent pivot]

yes

it's unironically good now in DF

was slightly reworked after SL

haste is dogshit for outlaw now

[quaint cedar]

I thought mastery was still kinda meh though?

[exotic dove]

What are your guys thoughts on the crafted boots? I kind of want to make them 450 with my shadowflame. I wonder though if I am overvalueing it though with the primary stat increase on cc

[quaint cedar]

like better than SL but still not great

[jolly sierra]

nah, the boots are still good

[pallid rune]

how u guys opening with ol now on rss

[jolly sierra]

the proc is a sephuz

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't call any stat "great" for outlaw rn lol

but mastery is decent

especially considering outlaw's strong suit is consistent dmg

you're not really aiming to kill somebody specifically from an eviscerate, secret tech, or a Deathmark

[quaint cedar]

yeah that's true

so why exactly was haste outlaw's best stat in SL and why does it suck now? I don't really understand what changed there

[tribal badger]

we got more resources

energy and cps

[vocal surge]

^

[tribal badger]

and a fair amount of free haste from talents

[vocal surge]

Also Haste was good up to a certain point

in SL

If I recall, you wanted up to 17%

[quaint cedar]

right, that makes sense then

[vocal surge]

after that, Haste's value fell

and then you wanted Crit for the rest

[potent pivot]

i don't think haste was ever truly outlaw's best stat in SL if i'm being real

not to the point of stacking it to the moon

[vocal surge]

Yeee

[potent pivot]

yep

[vocal surge]

There was a minimum you wanted

Just not all out haste

[potent pivot]

it wasn't an exact amount either

some people played 12%, some 15%, some 18%

[quaint cedar]

yeah I've wondered before if maybe we stacked too much haste in SL

[potent pivot]

you will literally never feel the difference between 5% haste

that's the funny part lol

i'm not even sure +5% haste even buys you +1 APM

[vocal surge]

It was mostly for energy

[potent pivot]

"i'm not even sure +5% haste even buys you +1 APM"

means it won't even net you +1 global every minute

that's why i find it funny

at least for assa it buys you extra dot ticks etc

[tribal bay]

which classes r busted

and did the 5 second blind stay

[waxen meteor]

Tbh really good if all three specs all want mastery

[potent pivot]

yes it stayed lol

DK+Devoker is busted rn

Arms, Ret

[spring bough]

this new ice wall thing is stupid lol

[potent pivot]

Demo is busted

what else hmmm

[spring bough]

afflic locks feel unkillable lol

[potent pivot]

aff was doggy in s1

didn't pay attention to see if they got any tuning

aff was probably the worst spec in the game of s1 though

[spring bough]

had a game with one earlier he balled out and we couldnt budge his health lol

[keen dune]

has anyone tried sub and sin today?

[potent pivot]

sub feels a little better

assa still needs help atm

[quaint cedar]

casters feel completely insane

destro locks are doing unreal damage right now

[vocal surge]

Shadow Priest too nutty lmao

Watched my teammate SP delete 2 players from existence

[quaint cedar]

yup

2nd shuffle was spriest, demo lock, and destro lock

endless CC and crazy damage

[jolly sierra]

wait

[quaint cedar]

and on blades edge of course

[jolly sierra]

is spriest already reworked?

[quaint cedar]

why is that map still in the game again?

yes it is

[jolly sierra]

blizzard forgot

[quaint cedar]

idk what they were crying about it seems to do fine

[jolly sierra]

holy shit

this will be tough

they cried about button bloat

[quaint cedar]

maybe if there was another melee in my lobby it would have been different

[jolly sierra]

or something like that

lemme read more

[potent pivot]

i think SP basically has Blade Flurry now too

[quaint cedar]

I'll say if blizzard was trying to reduce the amount of overall cc in the game

they failed miserably lol

[potent pivot]

yeah now it's just floods of micro cc

they gave everyone more cc abilities with the new talent trees

that was the mistake imo

[quaint cedar]

coil into triple fear into triple axe toss into knocked off the bridge

[jolly sierra]

if we don't get enough cc time

[quaint cedar]

very fun experience lmao

[jolly sierra]

then we will abuse dr

[potent pivot]

then they leaned further into the mistake by nerfing all the durations

[jolly sierra]

this is a strike

[quaint cedar]

yeah that was my first thought when they announced the cc nerfs for 10.1 - it doesn't fix the problem at all. the issue is micro cc's, and those didn't get any shorter

[jolly sierra]

so gouge and cheap shot were indirectly buffed, right?

[quaint cedar]

yeah

cheap shot feels pretty good to use now

if I can ever move my character that is lol

[jolly sierra]

think im gonna start in off target w that after sapping the healer

more control ironically

sap one, cheap shot one, kidney the other one

maybe u can get a trinket from there

[waxen meteor]

What update does sp get?

[quaint cedar]

that's basically what I've been doing

[jolly sierra]

nice glad i was not the only one thinking that

[potent pivot]

you get this set from the campaign

ohmy

[jolly sierra]

remove the helm

[potent pivot]

they got practically a full rework

i think the new play to replace blind sap is:

gouge->blind->half sap

[quaint cedar]

you could do that

or you could kidney healer then blind

or just wait for someone else to stun and then blind off that

and then you'll get a full sap at least

[graceful ravine]

Are mages any good

Our hope as outlaw is a strong mage

[waxen meteor]

You mean for 10.1?

[quaint cedar]

haven't seen any mages yet

I'm sure at least one spec will be good though

[potent pivot]

10.1 was released today yes

[waxen meteor]

just got familiar with 10.07 sp now it’s new again

[jolly sierra]

interesting, the stuff can be upgraded from pve

so if u get 1k8 and one piece of tier u can upgrade it later

pvp conq items are 450 ilvl

cap in tier is 437 as hc

[potent pivot]

what do you mean?

your tool tips are in Spanish

so lacking context

[jolly sierra]

where it says "2/8"

u can upgrade pve items from raid now, so to doesn't feel too bad w that hc item u can upgrade it

[potent pivot]

ah yeye

can't you also turn any pve item into a pvp item as well

with the honor/conquest tokens

[jolly sierra]

yeah but crafteds

this is a tier

[potent pivot]

oh so it's only for crafted items

that's a shame

[jolly sierra]

the ilvl scaler is a optional reagent, so

[potent pivot]

when they first talked about doing something like that i thought it was going to be for any item in the game

so you could get pve tier set and add pvp scaling to it

or you could farm a dungeon for the correct stats on a slot and transition it into pvp scaling

[jolly sierra]

oh hope it is like that, but is not the case F

[potent pivot]

honestly they need to just let us use missives on pvp items

[spring bough]

I’m wondering what crafted item we should go this season since we can get better effects. But I’m sure that’s all nerfed in pvp? Haven’t seen if it is or not

[potent pivot]

to choose our own stats...

[potent pivot]

the toxic boots are not nerfed in pvp

[spring bough]

Looks like these slimy boots will be good

[potent pivot]

i checked a couple days ago

and they are powerful

[spring bough]

Oh def getting those then

And the bracers with the other embellish to make them proc

[jolly sierra]

think into the crafted cloak

[potent pivot]

basically whatever they are going to use in pve is what we should use in pvp

imo

[jolly sierra]

cuz it covers like 300k dmg w absorb

[spring bough]

No more pvp boots

[jolly sierra]

every 2m

and scales w pvp

[potent pivot]

i think the cloak could be decent

but the boots and shoulders are big dam

big healing too

[jolly sierra]

yeah but better survivability = more dmg

[spring bough]

I meant no more CC boots that we used. Slimy boots will hopefully be fun in arena then

[potent pivot]

rogue imo as a whole needs more dmg atm

i mean i'm not 100% certain because of the health and healing changes

but we lack dmg

[jolly sierra]

hmmm

[potent pivot]

we also have the new cloak talent

[jolly sierra]

nah, apparently outlaw is going ok

[potent pivot]

which practically makes cloak into a Dwarf's Stoneform

[jolly sierra]

sub was tested w evis and was busted af

and assa dmg according to r1 is ok

the thing we lack the most is survivability atm

i would really play safe if i have back the bfa pvp auto absorb trinket

[potent pivot]

i don't think assa's dmg is that great atm

with practically everyone being able to clear DM it's basically a meme CD

[jolly sierra]

we will see

nobody knows how are the specs atm

until we are into the season

[potent pivot]

yeah for sure

just making discussion tbh

[jolly sierra]

tbh im checking ptr to see if those fuckers have a vers mastery dagger in pve dungeons

just in case they doesn't add a dagger from drakebreaker again

[potent pivot]

i'm going to test the ring again on assa as well

the Annulet

[jolly sierra]

ah the ring

well, u can craft a good one now

w pvp ilvl

[potent pivot]

it's still BiS in pve until you get a 450 ring

[jolly sierra]

think that can be fast

[potent pivot]

i know it's good on outlaw

[jolly sierra]

u can buy a conq reagent

and craft w jewelry

[potent pivot]

not sure if you can do that with the Annulet

[jolly sierra]

depends

[potent pivot]

but if so it's def BiS

[jolly sierra]

gotcha

freehold has a mythic+ vers mastery dagger

can be upgraded

so think that is our patch solution now

[potent pivot]

i have a feeling a dagger will be added to the wpvp vendor

feel like there's no shot they just leave it out

[jolly sierra]

no way we can't have a dagger from pvp vendor in s2

cuz literal

the vendor is empty

from daggers

[vocal surge]

Mspeed reduction and roots are pain

to deal with

[jolly sierra]

yeah

tbh still think boots are bis

510 agi every 30s w ccs is a good thing

[potent pivot]

if the amount of agi scales up maybe

[jolly sierra]

yeah, is fixated

but look, agi scales like crazy after getting a good upgrade in gear

[vocal surge]

Yeah

[jolly sierra]

the other embellishment we were discussing here was the mastery boost by having +90% hp

speaking about embellishments

[potent pivot]

yeah

kinda figured that wasn't intended

they don't even scale with vers now

[jolly sierra]

that is the reason the new pvp melee embellishment is so bad

[potent pivot]

which one?

the crafted pvp helm could be good again as well

especially early on, same as last season

but i really think the toxic/slimy boots+spore shoulders is going to be the play unless they get nerfed in pvp

they're quite a strong combination

[glacial aurora]

Can someone confirm, s2 honor gear comes out next week right?

[potent pivot]

43k DoT over 10 seconds when you reach 5 spore stacks from shoulders, and periodic 15k dmg from boots as well

that's pretty good especially for playing rot like assa

[jolly sierra]

the one which works with slows

[potent pivot]

ye

the bloody token gear seems to be out now though

[jolly sierra]

it stack 1700 dmg, then reach like 20 or 30 stacks and then charge ur next attack to do the multiplied dmg

the problem with that combo is

does it increase damage with ilvl?

[lucid citrus]

anyone know how to get this?

[potent pivot]

you buy it with conq

[sly tangle]

Can anyone correct me if wrong: Season 2 mythic raid gear is ilvl 457 max and pvp gear ilvl 450 max? That means pvp will be dominated by pve players.

[jolly sierra]

wait until s2 start

[potent pivot]

mythic gear tops out at 450?

[lucid citrus]

apprently someone in my guild has it already though?

[jolly sierra]

wtf

how

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

send a screenshot

NOW

[potent pivot]

why don't you ask them? lol

[lucid citrus]

i did

they said they got it from a quest from a person in the middle of Valdrakken and the quest is called Calling All Competitors

but i cant find it

[jolly sierra]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/quest=75622/calling-all-competitors

ur guildie was right

[potent pivot]

correction; there are literally only 2 items from the raid that are 457 ilvl, and they are on the very rare drop table from the last 2 bosses. i don't think we have anything to worry about tbh.

the effects will also likely be nerfed in pvp if they aren't already

[lucid citrus]

just a matter of finding where the quest is

[jolly sierra]

the item which starts the quest

[sly tangle]

@potent pivot why is blizzard doing this shit? why can't they just balance everything at same ilvl?

[potent pivot]

i really don't see the problem with it at all

[sly tangle]

The devs have to go out of their way to do something nonsense

[jolly sierra]

think u need to ask all npc around the mid to see if they gives u a flier

[potent pivot]

it isn't going to affect pvp lol

it's a non-issue

it's going to take months before a lot of people clear the raid on mythic

and even then it's only 2 items

sure they'll probably be considered bis in pvp

but like

the small amount of people that will actually get their hands on them and pvp isn't anything to worry about imo

[sly tangle]

@potent pivot they pro arena pvpers are going to complain like hell, because all of the teams will have to get the item

[potent pivot]

nah they won't

none of the top players on the ladder will go out of their way to get them

only the ones who already raid mythic anyway

[sly tangle]

I know my team will get the item as well as for ALL their other characters

[potent pivot]

that's literally impossible

[sly tangle]

I know that's why i'm complaining

[potent pivot]

they're on the very rare drop table

[graceful ravine]

where does t his drop from??

[potent pivot]

you can raid every week all season

and not get them

[jolly sierra]

idk, im just checking ptr stuff cuz im in eu

WAIT

lemme go to ptr

[potent pivot]

and AWC players will just be able to buy them from a vendor on tournament realms

[jolly sierra]

jmax said it come from an npc from mid valdrakken according from a guildie

[potent pivot]

so it's w/e really

[jolly sierra]

i'll check by myself

a pve player friend of mine said EU servers are already up

i'll check in retail

[jolly sierra]

ask for more details, im searching the npc too

we have new clues

GOTCHA\

GOT IT

@ all FREE CONQ REAGENT FROM PVP CACHE, JUST BOUGHT ONE FROM HONOR VENDOR AND THE QUEST APPEARED

[graceful ravine]

what do i buyt

zooming there rn

[jolly sierra]

GO GO GO GO

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-insane-cat-help-my-cat-is-insane-help-my-cat-cat-gif-21688581

[graceful ravine]

lets goooooooooo

[jolly sierra]

think we gonna get it before it is hotfixed

maybe was a mistake from devs

log w every alt and get it too

[graceful ravine]

what can we use it on tho lol

[jolly sierra]

emmm

maybe a crafted ring

w bis stats

wait

lemme check

[potent pivot]

i'd be patient with using it tbh

conq is gonna be capped when season starts

you could buy a crafted dagger and upgrade it

that'd prolly save you the most conq

[jolly sierra]

u cant

i tested the pve daggers

are unupgradeable

[potent pivot]

it's either that or wait to see what embellished crafted item is bis

[potent pivot]

the crafted ones?

[jolly sierra]

yeah

[potent pivot]

oh no i'm tripping

you can't upgrade a ring with it either btw

shoulders, hands, waist or feet

[jolly sierra]

yeah

requieres a lesser trophy

lemme see what u can do

[potent pivot]

imo we wait to see which embellishment will be bis

which boots/shoulders etc

[jolly sierra]

u can upgrade the boots with the mid one

[potent pivot]

need to be farming bloody tokens as well

since we can already buy 434 gear

[jolly sierra]

true, but no dagger yet

wtf

[potent pivot]

yeah kinda cringe really

4 outlaw weapons on the vendor for rogues when 2 specs need daggers lmfao

[lucid citrus]

how many can we buy for the trophy?

[jolly sierra]

i just bought 1 chest and got the big trophy and the mid trophy

well, already bought for chars

the item has 100% drop rate

[lucid citrus]

ahh i see

should outlaw get the two bloody token axes?

[pale storm]

you can just win 1 skirmish and get the flier from the chest that way'

[jolly sierra]

yeah u can

[potent pivot]

they might not be bis but you can def buy 1 right now as your best upgrade atm

[graceful ravine]

i still think its dumb we cant buy honor gear rn

[jolly sierra]

same

[lucid citrus]

same

[waxen meteor]

oh damn why the UI is broken again...

[waxen meteor]

wait i am lost

why are we getting this?

[jolly sierra]

dunno

[untold remnant]

Doesn’t really matter though: you can recraft items too.

I would just buy an item your spec needs on a slot that does not grant you mastery for example for sub

[potent pivot]

you'd have to spend more conq to get another trophy though

also shouldn't be wasting your shadowflame spark on just any random crafted piece

conq is capped at the beginning of a season, and we won't get another shadowflame for 2 weeks

so imo you want the biggest dps upgrade you can manage with the first one you spend

[waxen meteor]

I don't know if i am crazy

but i feel i have so many combo point playing outlaw

it seems so easy to reach 7 cp with single skill

or 2

[potent pivot]

nah you're not crazy

outlaw cycles through combo points like crazy

somewhat similar to SL s3

[waxen meteor]

I am kinda short of gcd now

[potent pivot]

wdym?

[waxen meteor]

so my skills can be used...

also i feel control is king is really good for outlaw

open cheat shot with slice and dice

kidney with energy

[potent pivot]

i don't get what you mean

about using skills

you feel energy starved?

or you feel like there's no time to press other abilities?

[waxen meteor]

i mean i feel i constantly need to cast finisher and have like triggers of free ambush/shot on

[potent pivot]

i mean that's kinda the whole playstyle of outlaw

spam your abilities, but do it properly so you can continue the cycle

[potent pivot]

a feedback loop of spam

[graceful ravine]

ZUG ZUG

[copper maple]

Outlaw feels like you either get full CPs from one sinister strike or pistol shot or use 3 ss in a row, get 3 cp and run out of energy xD

[minor cape]

true

i still dont get why we taking dance on outlaw

cheap shot activation?

blind sap activation pre patch?