abilities and auto attack dmg god damn what did fury warriors pay blizzard
#pvp
spring bough
jolly sierra
always the bad player blames the other one for their BS
potent pivot
they've been literal trash all season lol
spring bough
and how tf do locks get tyrant buffed by 10% more and its for pvp too. i dont get that
potent pivot
like the least played dps spec
spring bough
these locks out here blasting and they get 10% more on the pet that deletes people
wary spire
these locks out here blasting and they get 10% more on the pet that deletes peop...
I take solace in the fact that overperforming specs will probably get hit hard in the first 2 weeks of post-launch tuning.
And rogues are nowhere near broken, so at least there's that.
potent pivot
feral also got a blanket +5%
minor cape
i just hope muh rogue gets hit hard with some buffs
spring bough
does feral need that dmg too? these boys got that one button ST AOE going for them lol
potent pivot
well if NS is fixed+those buffs, might be a little better
minor cape
yeah this way we good
probably will go for that eviscerate build
maybe cold blood death from above lol
spring bough
im just gonna spam ambush at full CP when shadow dance is up get that maximum 8% outta it lol
get as many double procs as i can
minor cape
honestly i wish cold blooded eviscerate dealt some good dam
wary spire
maybe cold blood death from above lol
I actually really enjoy dfa's little cc immunity there at the start. Won me a few duels against locs.
harsh steppe
spring bough
3 que pops in the last 15 minutes all have been declined by 1 person lol. wish more people were out here pushing ratings today
quaint cedar
what are the shuffles like these days? I've been hiding ever since the ret rework
just playing other games and stuff
spring bough
just had a 30min que lol
quaint cedar
is it still the same 4 specs every game?
spring bough
war, ret, BM
quaint cedar
and demo?
jolly sierra
yeah
quaint cedar
ugh so still miserable I guess
jolly sierra
was about to say that
quaint cedar
I was already tired of warriors before the ret rework
now there's even more of them
and we have to deal with ret + demo too
graceful ravine
HUGEEE
wary spire
Gz! That's very impressive, especially in the current meta!
jaunty osprey
nice nice
i think the last time i played
was when u hit 3k shuffle that day i hit rank 1 shuffle
so no time for me to push 3s 😦
graceful ravine
anyone know what s2 titles are called?
wise breach
Obsidian Legend/Glad
surreal barn
Ayyy some sub buffs that’s what’s up
wary spire
Real talk, how do big pvp boys deal with ret on rogue?
I got 3 matches against ret back to back i couldn't do shit.
lone goblet
Real talk, how do big pvp boys deal with ret on rogue?
Pretty sure they stopped queuing when 10.0.7 dropped is how to deal with it.
wary spire
I tried playing alts but I just don't like other classes...
hollow sundial
thoughts on the newest buffs that came out?
potent pivot
thoughts on the newest buffs that came out?
hopefully a step in the right direction, not sure if they'll be enough yet
tender ferry
Do we know if the symbols granted by the new tier set adds duration to casted symbols or does it get overwritten?
potent pivot
Do we know if the symbols granted by the new tier set adds duration to casted sy...
iirc it was clipping on PTR, not sure
tender ferry
Muh shadow dance macro 😦
jolly sierra
thoughts on the newest buffs that came out?
awful, they still think assa does enough dmg to face a warrior or a demo
waxen meteor
I tried playing alts but I just don't like other classes...
I do enjoy till a certain point
but always miss playing rogue
i guess no matter how bad we are, I will be rogue main
then probably play a couple of alt for solo queue for fun
polar shard
as a sub rogue in SS whats your main dmg i feel like i do 0 dmg lmao
halcyon timber
Do we know if the symbols granted by the new tier set adds duration to casted sy...
overwritten, doesn't double dip. they were careful on that interaction.
potent pivot
overwritten, doesn't double dip. they were careful on that interaction.
traditionally something of that nature would just extend the duration of the buff
i'm not sure it clipping is an intended thing or not
halcyon timber
traditionally something of that nature would just extend the duration of the buf...
agreed however we will have to see
potent pivot
if it is, it's poor design
think back to the sub tier set of SL
could extend Blades etc
halcyon timber
think back to the sub tier set of SL
agreed however we have to see what their intent is /shrug
agile leaf
and went 4-2 and got 0 pts
minor cape
just played a game without healers, they were tanks instead
prot paladin vs prot paladin is a thing yes
potent adder
I've been pretty frustrated with AV, and especially Ashran...basically any Epic BG's with massive team fights. It seems virtually impossible to be able to get in there and mix it up, focus down healers, etc. The sheer mass of humanity becomes a wall preventing me from doing any real dmg.
I did some experimenting, and I haven't seen this build posted. It's a niche build strictly for AoE team fights. It does massive dmg...and if you can get healed? You can do stupid amount of dmg.
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potent pivot
you can do some really fun stuff as assa in team fights
it's just more of a niche thing to play especially for users in this server i think. i feel the big majority here play rated arenas mostly
at least out of the users that are vocal
potent adder
Agreed....that's why I posted it. Not may people focus mainly on BG's, or even Epic BG's. That build is OP in huge team fights. Arterial Precision and Indiscriminate Carnage really shine in large group fights. Set it up with IC, spread your Garrote and Rupture, then toss in a Crimson Tempest. Once that's done, hit your main target with Deathmark, then Shiv to spread increased bleeds and finish them off. It surprises a lot of people.
marble oasis
feeling the pain of being the rets go to target >.<
untold remnant
just played a game without healers, they were tanks instead
That should be removed.. it’s so stupid for some classes (like rogue) to play without a healer
untold remnant
Agreed....that's why I posted it. Not may people focus mainly on BG's, or even ...
Topping the meters in rated BG in teamfights with that AoE build. Even in melee cleave solo shuffles: playing the carnage build en do 70k dps can get you some nice wins
jolly sierra
what why i would be excited for that
harsh steppe
hm? wym? i don't see anything about a pvp nerf?
glacial aurora
Does conquest reset at end of season? If so what should I do with my excess conquest
harsh steppe
buy gear & sell it for gold
harsh steppe
are those numbers reduced by 50% tho in pvp?
harsh steppe
yah i don't see anything about 50% reduction anywhere, not sure what Panda is referring to
minor cape
nah like, they wrote somewhere that all sets are reduced by 50%
but im not sure if it means damage
or symbols time too
spring bough
love being on a losing streak go 4-2 and get 1 rating LOL
harsh steppe
ah ok hm, if someone has the sauce lmk
if it's all sets for all classes then that's okay though
spring bough
all i heard was 50% reduction to all tier sets
dont know if that is damage or proc rates or whatever but id think its probably just dmg
harsh steppe
ah okay well if it's all sets that's fine then 🙂
harsh steppe
spring bough
so whose the guinea pig next week figuring out which crafted items are gonna be the best to get to turn them into pvp items
ruby drift
hm? wym? i don't see anything about a pvp nerf?
All tier sets nerfed by 50% in pvp. Unsure of what this entails for some of the interactions like ele sham 2pc atm
agile leaf
what do you guys do with the extra honor so you dont cap out?
jolly sierra
using it in 2k honor chests for marks
agile leaf
then what do you do with the marks? i have like 200 extra
jolly sierra
i buy cataclysmic gladiator dk waists, wait 2h and sell them for 15g each
agile leaf
ahhh, thought i could get the ashran mounts for the 100 but i dont have the exalted rep with ashran
magic arch
i buy cataclysmic gladiator dk waists, wait 2h and sell them for 15g each
Wait
This legit?
You make decent gold off of it?
I have so many marks
scarlet shell
i mean marks can be used to collect transmogs
thats what I do, travelling to pandaria to cash in for mogs, or burn them for weapons at Zo'sorg in Oribos
spring bough
this MW just went 87% to 0 in 1.9 seconds
that was the most wild event ive ever seen
best thing ive seen all day lol
just went 5-1 at 2229. this the push today can just feel that elite
jolly sierra
at this step is entirely possible lol
nova hill
copper maple
Oh
Cheers
I scrolled through the general class changes thinking they decided not to kill Blind. I was wrong 🫡
Great time to be unsubscribed from wow
jolly sierra
run u bitches run
unless u will hide in RBGs
now my guild wants me to push in the roster xd
spring bough
oh damn they actually did increase abilities in pvp for outlaw
5% on ambush, sinister, blade rush, dispatch inc 20% in pvp
am i reading that right or imagining that?? lol
jolly sierra
nah its real
spring bough
wow we might actually be decent on tuesday then
jolly sierra
but blizzard thinks its enough for assa the current dmg
so they buffed it in PvE
but its unaffected in PvP
so im here venting
REEEEEEEEEEEE
spring bough
that sucks lol. thank god im the best at OL of all the rogue specs lol
Looks like OL going KIR on Tuesday too
spring bough
Looks like dance kir instead of echoing rep kir is better too
how tf do i get in a 2315 solo with god damn prot paladins
spring bough
he just said he hates rogues and is happy im losing lol
i hate prot paladins lol
DH went 6-0
hate this game
jolly sierra
fkn dhs
ruby drift
DH and ww gonna be stronk 10.1
jolly sierra
if they buff a lot ww's healing then will be strong enough
have u seen how much heals a vivify?
tawny kestrel
but blizzard thinks its enough for assa the current dmg
assa damage is fine in pvp
minor cape
true, probably not the damage problem
honestly they kinda gave subtelty some buffs that are not bad
for damage
so im praying its playable
what if we can cold blood death from above now lol
🤪
jolly sierra
assa damage is fine in pvp
good enough to compete against ret and warr?
think we gonna be melted xd
even w that
tawny kestrel
rogue has never competed against ret and warr in that type of damage
minor cape
raz do we have hope for anything that is not assas in 10/1
tawny kestrel
and it shouldnt
tawny kestrel
raz do we have hope for anything that is not assas in 10/1
idk im not playing arena
jolly sierra
still found ridiculous they even denied rog buffs in mutilate
lol
but tbh im hiding in RBGs now w rog
minor cape
idk im not playing arena
not even shuffling?
jolly sierra
its something
tawny kestrel
not even shuffling?
nope havent for a while now, maybe next patch but idk
no fun atm
jolly sierra
so will u unsub?
spring bough
this new ST KIR builds looks so unusual lol. wonder if anyone gonna modify it for pvp. might be doable without taking KIR lol
jolly sierra
sure ask me
jolly sierra
ª
minor cape
i want to play sub only, but my friend who does rbg says i cant play sub on every map
and have to switch to assas
is it true?
🥹
jolly sierra
u can as both
but is reccomended assa in flag maps like WSG
at least in my roster they allows me in just assa
even in base maps
but optimal are sub in base and assa in flags
minor cape
i want to just play sub, how bad is it if i just dont want to switch at all
pale storm
a lot of teams run two rogues and just have 1 sub 1 assa on flag maps
spring bough
how do you modify this for pvp if at all lol. looks like its gonna be way better than HO dance
jolly sierra
dunno
harsh steppe
ill go sub forever
amen
jolly sierra
i still recall in SL S1 after the kyrian nerf
i had to go sub necro for rbgs and fight in mid to troll w heimir soulbind ccing everything
spamming cheap shots
surreal barn
I think it will depend on how much burst we can put out in 10.1
If it is decent you could roll sub
jolly sierra
seems like outlaw will be good in arena
surreal barn
If it sucks donkey dick then assa is de way
spring bough
having such a rough day lol. 2200-2300 hard stuck up and down. just hit a 4-2 and got 0 rating lol
jolly sierra
god
spring bough
tried out that new build for tuesday and its okay i guess with buffs itll be hot stuff
jolly sierra
yeah, shit happens
keep the 4-2 and u will unstuck tho
im very impatient for new patch tbh
spring bough
very unusual lol but if the new dispatch buffs are that much this might get close to 100k dispatches
thinkin after that que i should swap the BTE talent for heavy hitter since overall bte only did like 3% of my dmg and sinister is 9% and pistol 12%. would prob be better to beef those up
agile leaf
man these solo queue's are horrible
queen geyser
very unusual lol but if the new dispatch buffs are that much this might get clos...
I'd personally take Shadowstep over Prey On The Weak
Prey is only 5% in PvP, but it's alright if your team lays into someone with you
spring bough
damn didnt realize its nerfed in pvp
queen geyser
If you want 10%
You can drop Blade Rush for Ghostly Strike
Then take SS and still have a gap closer
(Also Ghostly Strike CD is reduced by Restless Blades so you have a bunch of uptime with Dreadblades)
surreal barn
Prey is nerfed? I had no clue haha
queen geyser
I don't blame anyone for not realizing, you wouldn't know unless you look at the tooltip (in the heat of a fight, no less) or check WoWhead
queen geyser
very unusual lol but if the new dispatch buffs are that much this might get clos...
I'd try this personally, but you do whatever you like. Outlaw ain't exactly meta so go nuts
and if you dropped the BTE talent you could take those juicy talents on the left side
spring bough
thinkin ima try the next one with shadow step over prey and heavy hitter over bte
and ghostly for BR
feel like might lose too much mobility without BR tho
queen geyser
SS has more range than BR and taking Retractable Hook makes your GH much more reliable (and shorter CD)
Speaking from experience, you'll have plenty of mobility, and if you wanted more, you could drop Fleet Footed and Deadened Nerves for Improved Sprint and Virulent
Like this
(Deadened Nerves and Virulent are both pretty ech so it's really just picking your poison)
spring bough
this getting me pretty hype for these OL buffs on tues lol
queen geyser
Only thing I'm not looking forward to is not being able to sapcap ha
digital flame
anyone able to give me a good recommendation on talents for assassin pvp? I would like to see what works well.
jolly sierra
nothing until 10.1
pale storm
anyone able to give me a good recommendation on talents for assassin pvp? I woul...
I have been enjoying this:
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polar shard
hey guys trash rogue here
how can I be useful in SS if I do 50% of other dps dmg lol
oh and Im squishy af
jolly sierra
cceing
quaint cedar
@queen geyser @spring bough I was looking through the builds you guys were posting. What about audacity? Wouldn't it be bad to not have a way to apply find weakness since you don't have anbush procs?
polar shard
cceing
yeah but I mean the cc doesnt compensate for 50% less dmg no ? esp when ppl dont let me sap in the opener lol
and DR my stuns..
quaint cedar
At least not outside of dance anyways
queen geyser
<@505971289698336770> <@913956782961995796> I was looking through the builds you...
I was thinking about that too, and it would make sense since the whole shtick is loading up on big dispatches
Could drop Blinding for it maybe?
quaint cedar
Yeah maybe with blind being nerfed anyways
queen geyser
Ye that works
quaint cedar
Idk though maybe it works out without find weakness
It's only 30% armor bypass
Yeah something like that I guess
Still feels bad losing 1.5 min blind
Was always a cool outlaw thing
queen geyser
It's still fine if you run Blackjack, even with the hefty nerf
quaint cedar
I thought blackjack was bugged with blind?
queen geyser
Probably still going to run this in S2
queen geyser
I thought blackjack was bugged with blind?
Nnnnnot that I know of?
quaint cedar
I was testing the HO build with 7 combo points on the ptr the other day and that felt pretty good. Basically the same build I use on live. Damage seemed pretty decent.
I'll have to try the dispatcher one
I do like getting ghostly strike, always thought it was fun to use
quaint cedar
Nnnnnot that I know of?
I think blackjack only works with sap but I'm not sure. Could have been fixed at some point, I haven't tested it in a while
queen geyser
Only "downside" of Ghostly Strike is (typically) dumping BR for it and that I suppose it telegraphs your go (not that you have much of one as Outlaw lol)
queen geyser
I think blackjack only works with sap but I'm not sure. Could have been fixed at...
Think I've seen it work in recent memory
quaint cedar
That's true, I really like BR. Sucks to drop it
queen geyser
And I don't care if GSW isn't as good as it was, it's still fun whipping out the gat (and this was with Ghostly Strike on)
quaint cedar
That's actually an impressive hit for outlaw lol
queen geyser
Yey
quaint cedar
I miss old GSW
queen geyser
Just a pain to get the stars to align (and this was also on a GDruid out of bear so)
spring bough
just imagine if they added dispatch to HO. have that hit twice after these buffs lol
queen geyser
Probably still going to run this in S2
Seems I can drop Blinding and GSW for CTO here. I wonder if Dance Ambushes have the duration and chance double?
quaint cedar
They do, I've tested it before
queen geyser
I see
I'll try it out for a bit
Okay I'll be honest that feels pretty good
Like-
jolly sierra
yeah but I mean the cc doesnt compensate for 50% less dmg no ? esp when ppl dont...
it does if u do it in the right moment
i had some games winning by just cceing tbh
agile leaf
for solo shuffle you typically want to use wounding over instant right??
jolly sierra
yeah
agile leaf
big 6-0!
worthy crag
ahhhh I did not achieve my goal of getting rank 1 in shuffle :3
agile leaf
How did you manage that?
by beating up the hunter
wary spire
Wait we shouldn't? 
marble oasis
Shouldn't really. higher end people use arean 1/2/3 target macros i believe. or keybinds atleast.
but i'm too lazy to learn to play like that as i tab target everywhere else in the game
harsh steppe
ah okay tysm
yah i thought maybe it's probably not used in higher ranking at all
so hard to get used to not tab targeting, i'll start trying though, ty
nova hill
I click my targets, with EBG addons its quite easy
Not the best idea, but i have enough troubles with keybinding my skills, there is no space for enemy macros 😅
chrome schooner
Does anyone know what embellishments will be available in 10.1 ? I haven't really looked that up, is it the same as S1 + a few new ones ?
minor cape
its a known bug and noone knows why it happens
well it should not happen that often
rarely happens to me
maybe it actually is some random aoe dam or whatever
twin burrow
shift 123 = target arena 123
surreal barn
Are you undead
Do you have the zskera ring equipped?
When plague procs it can unstealth
Hope you figure it out 
potent pivot
Does anyone know what embellishments will be available in 10.1 ? I haven't reall...
i believe so
i think there's also some weird interactions with certain gear pieces being affected by rogue tier set, specifically assa's Nature amp
don't think it looks worth getting into for pvp though
jolly sierra
Does anyone know what embellishments will be available in 10.1 ? I haven't reall...
just tested the new pvp one for melee, is very bad tooks to much to reach the max stacks and do damage, also that dmg is not affected my versa xd
pale storm
do you guys use tab targeting in arena at all?
I changed my tab targeting to only target next ENEMY player so if I tab in arena it only cycles through enemy players and not pets/minions
Then just click to target pets
harsh steppe
oooo i like that
chrome schooner
So we still go Lariat + Mastery ring instead of CC boots probably then
potent pivot
with all the CC reduction i could see it yeah
i think in pve they're using the toxic thorn boots
pale storm
the CC boots gets changed to a chance on hit mastery proc or something I believe
chrome schooner
Oh really
jolly sierra
tbh
chrome schooner
But tbh unless the proc is insane I think it's better to just play Mastery PvP boots + the crafted ring
jolly sierra
i will use the pve tailoring crafted w pvp ilvl
if is unnerfed
its disgusting as a defensive item
this one, scales w both versa and ilvl
polar shard
whats your main source of dmg as sub ? in ss
jolly sierra
scaling proof
pale storm
how earely will you be able to craft it?
jolly sierra
craft order ofc
i have some pve mythic raiders friends
else i can bait somebody for 20-30k
for using his hands
but everything is uncertain, dunno how will be the mat system
pale storm
yeah opfc work order, but I mean, like how hard are the mats to obtain?
jolly sierra
i haven't tested, but doesnt seems too hard
how hard is to get 300 glowspores? everything else is easy
digital flame
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Thank you for sharing this
pale storm
np I used it for my glad push and in SS, I like it
jolly sierra
the thing i wonder the most is how much time will take to drop recipes in the raid
more than how much new mats does use
is still a pve item
untold remnant
Thats juicy
jolly sierra
wtf
minor cape
thats awesome
so cold blooded death from above build? lol
can you show the build please?
or is it just normal brew stuff?
surreal barn
I’m pretty sure nightstalker will work now too right?
And add the dagger in the dark for more 🧀
jolly sierra
yeah it finally was fixed lol
south ore
super casual question: whats the ideal way to score kills and deal damage as Sin in random BGs? do you single out squishy targets, or try to multi-dot like a melee warlock?
jolly sierra
no, i just stay in bases
and kill w burst the flag carrier w too much stacks if is the case
u are to squishy to go midfight
twin burrow
ill show build, i havent played in a while but got juiced up to play from the recent sub buffs
dusk veldt
if i dont hit 70 on my hunter by tuesday, can i still use my season 1 boxes?
jolly sierra
ye
dusk veldt
nice
twin burrow
i dont go brew tho i take flag over brew
minor cape
conquest boxes will either drop s1 stuff or a trash item
dusk veldt
oh it might not drop s1 gear?
minor cape
i dont go brew tho i take flag over brew
wait so you got that eviscerate NO BREW???
dusk veldt
i just need s1 gear to start for next season
twin burrow
ya lol
minor cape
holy shit im playing rotten all the way
twin burrow
im not rotten im danse
jolly sierra
i still have shadowlands boxes
minor cape
fucking tripple rotten
twin burrow
and finality
jolly sierra
they drops shadowlands pvp stuff
jolly sierra
so will work, but will be inferior to pvp sets
minor cape
so you went with brew path
jolly sierra
from this season
minor cape
but didnt get brew
jolly sierra
honor gear specifically
minor cape
just finality
dusk veldt
conq gear should be equivalent to blues no?
twin burrow
@minor cape will show you after this SS pops
jolly sierra
no
minor cape
🫡
dusk veldt
conq s1 ~= blue season 2?
minor cape
thanks g
jolly sierra
inferior
minor cape
you on ptr right?
minor cape
conq s1 ~= blue season 2?
nope
dusk veldt
minor cape
we will have green crafted gear that is equal to conq gear
and blue gear will be higher
but cheer up mate
honor doesnt get reset!
so you can farm 15k honor on ur chars and you are set
dusk veldt
yeah im a bit behind on my alts
jolly sierra
nobody will be ahead for s2 at start imo
jolly sierra
me smash
tbh if rog doesnt work yet ill go ret
or get that juicy absorb cloak and fight w that
i calculated the absorb and are like 290k in that every 2m
scarlet shell
i have banked alot of honor and barely any conquest
bc conquest is liquid gold in the game, and dependant if the alliance did not suck in half of all grouped PvP content
twin burrow
@minor cape
minor cape
okay so if on ptr you are getting those huge eviscerates w this one without even having nighstalker theb we good
twin burrow
the 4 set buffs evis dmg too which is nice
i dont think sec tec is worth 2 points that can go to finality
minor cape
sec tech wont hit for much anymore so maybe investing tp into other stuff will be fine
shame theres no way to having rotten w all this
why go veiltouch here?
🤔
twin burrow
Shadow blade damage gloomblade dmg and evis dmg
graceful ravine
Maybe vanish cdr with thief talent could be good?
harsh steppe
rogue is god class we all know dis
twin burrow
im playing theif next season
u just pop it to generated point sfor the go
its only 6 seconds
yeah all of our modifiers go towards evis including teirset so might as well build evis
dfa too
as you come down from DFA u get ur global back, u can get a nie burst with DFA
300k in like 2.5 seconds ish?
stars align and on dummy ofc
jolly sierra
smells like a nerf
wanton breach
300k in like 2.5 seconds ish?
that's not that much though
twin burrow
agreed 40% someones hp is nothing, it should kill and disconnect them instantly
jolly sierra
how tf that is not that much if u will have like 500k average?
twin burrow
idonno, i think its a decent combo
if rupture was up thats 2 ticks of rupture too missing
surreal barn
The other classes are going to be that much stronger too tho
I smell more buffs coming
twin burrow
:x
jolly sierra
seems like we will get deleted by 300k veredicts
jolly sierra
yeah lol
surreal barn
I’m going to find these cc changes kinda hard at the start, like whether or not it’s worth to SS+kick for just 3 seconds silence 😂 gonna feel a little weird
jolly sierra
think we gonna troll w ccs if they are no that long
surreal barn
I’m not as sad about blind as far as SS goes tbh. My shit always gets popped before duration even ends
jolly sierra
using gouge, dr cheap shots and stuff like that
surreal barn
Yeah
jolly sierra
the thing i found absurd is
why tf blind still has 2m cd if it stays for a shit of time
scarlet shell
after losing a BG i instantly get attacked by civilians
i killed whatever attacked me but why lmao
wary spire
why tf blind still has 2m cd if it stays for a shit of time
"It's an experiment and it can go either way after a few months of testing, so to not change things too much we'll leave duration as is" was probably the thought internally. Of course it will stay that way for an expansion or two now. ~~
What I don't understand is why the hell they killed maneuverability. 
minor cape
What I don't understand is why the hell they killed maneuverability. <:logs:5857...
might be fun to have a shit ton of sprints sometimes
like against ret or warrior could be pretty good
im only speaking from subs point of view of course
wary spire
But is it better than new cloak, duel, sb?..
minor cape
yeah true
might have to change talents a lot now
wow holy shit imagine having flexibility instead of duel bomb disarm permanently
wary spire
Dfa looks to be the way to go as well.
minor cape
Dfa looks to be the way to go as well.
well like, it will have to be cold blooded
the question is can it deal more than secret tech with those finality procs
can it even deal more than reverb er?
jolly sierra
"It's an experiment and it can go either way after a few months of testing, so t...
exsang be like
jolly sierra
what if wow itself is a social experiment
wary spire
We all love them tier list right boys
Also, is it even an S tier when it's the most populated.
scarlet shell
a social experiment for 20 years wow
wary spire
Started playing in late wod and never was actually upset about an upcoming patch. 
wary spire
my man put ench shaman
Ah crap my blind ass thought there were 2 rets!
minor cape
S tier class when it gets one shot by an affliction warlock: 🫡
jolly sierra
final veredict goes brrr
spring bough
83k dispatch in solo this might be promising on tuesday lol
jolly sierra
🅱️erhaps
graceful ravine
is the new honor set out tomorrow?
jolly sierra
how we played in s1 first week?
if we had honor gear then yeah
i have a doubt
will u replace the tier for honor gear? think is like 20+ ilvl per piece
tribal badger
s1 sets rnt nerfed in pvp? did they retroactively nerf them?
if not i'll probably hold onto law 2set until at least conquest gear
only costs u 2 slots anyway
jolly sierra
nah they stays like they were in s1 tho
assa set is too nerfed tho, maybe will check how much dmg is a 10% vs how much agi equals that dmg with honor gear
twin burrow
i forgot, does feint double dip in bladestorm damage mitigation
jolly sierra
from tier
tribal badger
wdym double dip
jolly sierra
double dip?
tribal badger
elusiveness talent does not reduce aoe damage taken
jolly sierra
it only reduce 40%
jolly sierra
feint base reduction overrides elusive
tribal badger
so u dont get 20% *40% for bladestorm
twin burrow
do u get 40% then from bs
tribal badger
yes
tribal badger
but only 20% for the MS that get cast during MS from the talent
jolly sierra
is an aoe
twin burrow
thats fine
tribal badger
it does both at once they just effect different types of damages
ye
FoF also hits the 40% feint DR
jolly sierra
maybe for now
wary spire
I just macro every ability on one button ez 
jolly sierra
Can’t believe y’all play a game with 40+ keybinds
i quit this game is designed like shit
lol is better
ruby drift
How am I ever suppose to climb in this game with 40 different buttons
When I’m stuck in silver in league and it has 4
Ded game
I miss that guy
Call it fate/destiny boys , I’m sorry lmao
What rating
Don’t have
pale storm
You lurking pretty hard to instantly respond
ruby drift
Didn’t play df
ruby drift
You lurking pretty hard to instantly respond
That part
Yes am terrible
I keep up with it. Played it for two weeks ish
It’s crazy adulting in the real world
You just bring me joy
Glad you’re back 😂
wary spire
I just love that lil mischievous guy
ruby drift
40 keybinds to much
Have to be genetically gifted to play this game 😂
?
What does that show
Confused
wary spire
Who?
ruby drift
Idk I think he’s trying to prove a point but one of his brain cells shorted
wary spire
I can continue typing if you want to.
pale storm
My guy really has keyword alerts setup for a wow discord where he claims to ‘not play wow’
ruby drift
The 1600cr average is talking about where the average player prob sat during that season
If you’re gonna be a weirdo and look at messages from a year ago
Go check the context
wary spire
I need to set up an alert for nope. Don't wanna miss it accidentally!
wary spire
You sure showed em!
pale storm
Just a bunch of people who enjoy 40 buttons and talking about all 40 of those buttons daily homie, no 4 button smoooth brain chat allowed
ruby drift
pale storm
One might say that constantly typing in a discord channel for a game you don’t play to flame people you don’t know about the game you don’t play, may be the embarrassing act
wary spire
I just looove buttons. In fact I'm pressing them right now.
ruby drift
I just looove buttons. In fact I'm pressing them right now.
That’s crazy
How do you hit them all?
You must be a giga chad
wary spire
Nope, is everything alright at home there buddy?
ruby drift
Yeah wish I had time to play bRoThA
wary spire
You can tell us, we'll understand.
jolly sierra
@stray rivet hey
pale storm
Wait, @stray rivet you do know that WoW is played by 2 man teams right? Once you reach level 30 the buttons required reaches a level where it is impossible to play with 2 hands and 10 fingers, you then must play as a 2 man team, you each get 20 key binds each and you play together. That’s what the movie pacific rim was based on
tribal badger
I actually usually have 3 people, 1 for each half of my keyboard and one for the mouse
its the only way I can play my arms warrior (I currently have 49 keybinds)
pale storm
That’s galaxy brain
ruby drift
Pmuch me in a nutshell
Avid 2s enjoyer
Wish I had more time to game this year but I don’t
tribal badger
man why r u still typing in here? unless u show screenshot of s5 gladiator mount you know ur not allowed to type in the pvp section of this discord
:))))
jolly sierra
the most hilarious thing is he is stalking our thread and asking for rating when he has 0 overall lol
when i slapped the elite he confessed that and said wasn't enough
wary spire
What's even the point of asking for a rating?
"Your game is shit"
"I mean is alright"
"The game is shit AND you're bad at it"
"I'm quite alright at it"
"Whatever, the game's still shit"
Like, we're back at square one.
jolly sierra
sound like an NPC
ruby drift
Fuck man
If only I was genetically gifted I could’ve hit r1
Gonna have to commit sudoko now
My main game is in shambles and I’m not genetically gifted
jolly sierra
can tell u the lab where u can enhance ur genes
wary spire
Man plays a bit of wow, now hates wow and rogues in particular. Honestly checks out.
jolly sierra
so u can r1
ruby drift
Irl warrior brain
jolly sierra
think we need to change the name of this channel to
ruby drift
You know that guy ints in league then blames team
jolly sierra
#Genetically-gifted-players
ruby drift
That’s actually big brain lmao
jolly sierra
You know that guy ints in league then blames team
like in LA lol
ruby drift
We should really pin his post about needing to be genetically gifted lmao
jolly sierra
XDDDDDDD
scarlet shell
all i can see scrolling up is flame emotes.
jolly sierra
imagine all this BS started for a hand pic
wary spire
My only contact with lol was arcane. The comment section was filled with bloody letters spelling out "DON'T CHECK OUT THE SOURCE MATERIAL", so I've decided against it.
ruby drift
He prob is feeling himself cause league is the most inflated it’s ever been
So he finally hit plat and thinks he’s a god gamer lmao
scarlet shell
did that nope dude reply the second you started talking
ruby drift
Yeah pmuch
scarlet shell
that is commitment or blatant stupidity.
wary spire
The combination of both gives incredible results.
jolly sierra
where is whispyr
scarlet shell
HAHa yeah thats what i was gonna say ed
jolly sierra
cmon change this thread name
scarlet shell
i love how a bunch of pvp twitter users got mad from one tiktok wow made.
wary spire
Poor pvp Paul. Hopefully we'll see more of him.
jolly sierra
technically we are mentally diseased for being gamers
silent sleet
!ban @stray rivet that's not how we talk to people here
potent pivot
jolly sierra
tribal badger
brother im gunna need u to post ur arena rating before u go around banning people
gotta make sure u have the credentials
jolly sierra
3k = right to purge
radiant anvil
graceful ravine
3k = right to purge
pass me admin pls
jolly sierra
pass me admin pls
@ mods
twin burrow
Dayv still enjoying sub?
graceful ravine
i havent played sub since they nerfed it
graceful ravine
I think sub rogue was only strong cos everybody else fotm played assa
Sub counters assa
Now ret counters both
lapis steeple
where is whispyr
potent pivot
yes, exsang first
potent pivot
you can also use them separately, using exsang for a "mini go"
it's the same issue as in pve
if you DM->exsang, exsang shortens your DM dot
which literally cuts the duration of your entire DM in half
rancid cipher
Yes, yes
potent pivot
DM only duplicates your dots while it is on your enemy
rancid cipher
All good, as I assumed
potent pivot
minor cape
I think sub rogue was only strong cos everybody else fotm played assa
not only sin, but also elemental shaman. WW is something oneshotable too. Also those fucking classes that you cant stunlock like demo and bm werent there
i mean bm was, but not as much
fellas, do you think sub would still be playable if they didnt nerf it 
but ret, demo and bm became meta anyway
potent pivot
hard to say really
with the direction they seem to be taking pvp i think rogue at it's core needs a lot of changing
outlaw would probably be fine as long as it's damage is tuned well..
but set up reliant specs just aren't it now
minor cape
looks like sub is going in the direction of gloomblade spammer
wary spire
I don't like current sub but that just sounds miserable.
jolly sierra
finally
finally dmg outside shadow dance
potent pivot
finally
finally dmg outside shadow dance
Where? I must’ve missed it 
surreal barn
wary spire
The only damage I see is emotional.
potent pivot
south ore
no, i just stay in bases
what about temple of hotmogu?
jolly sierra
what about temple of hotmogu?
stalk orbs till get enough stacks, like in flags
jolly sierra
today is the last day boys
not for me
surreal barn
Anyone sad about sap cap in rbgs hasn’t done them in a bit
All the ret pallys completely screw that over anyway
timber fiber
Does anyone know of any good resource for the proper subtlety openers and general rotations?
timber fiber
I'm seeing several people mentioning gouge right after dance where as this guide has no mention of it in the opener.
harsh steppe
gouge? that's not in opener
first i have issues w/ gladiusex not showing me important information, now i have gladius not showing HP correctly & text smashed... is there any other addon that does what gladius does that works?
waxen meteor
it seems you just put too much addons that are conflict to each other
harsh steppe
do you know what could be it then? I didn't think i had that many
unborn portal
nova hill
Did u try BGE?
Imo it shows every info needed
harsh steppe
no i haven't! i'll try that, tysm
harsh steppe
could prismatic bauble ever fuck me up in arena? maybe in high ranking?
jolly sierra
i was never fan of toys in pvp tbh
some persons binds them to the burst and makes it very predictable
potent pivot
first i have issues w/ gladiusex not showing me important information, now i hav...
sArena
harsh steppe
tysm, gonna try that, bge is great but doesn't have cd timers so that's the same issue i had with gladiusex
potent pivot
The only one that really shows CDs is gladiusex as far as I know
sArena just shows trinkets etc
harsh steppe
? i didn't see any options for cd timers on gladiusex a while back, & nobody knew how to enable them here, & i was suggested to get gladius because of it
maybe i'll just stick to omnicd to check on timers ig
potent pivot
I thought GladiusEx had the option to show CD timers for certain things
But Gladius doesn’t 
Maybe I’ve got em mixed up idk, I’ve always just used Gladius and OmniCD
harsh steppe
ugh okay i'll try to figure out how to get gladius to work properly then ig
unborn portal
gladiusex I preferred on rogue
harsh steppe
do you have cd timers on it?
harsh steppe
this is the issue, i can't see how many seconds i have on the enemy cds or their DRs
surreal barn
I have em show up over the peoples heads
Not sure what the add on is tho
Makes battlegrounds easier too
jolly sierra
why u disarmed a mage?
harsh steppe
yah i have nameplatescooldowns but that doesn't show timers either =/
lmk if you find out that addon that would be better than nothing i suppose
nova hill
I see 3 Kidneys on your screen
Do u really have any idea whats going on with this many infos?
harsh steppe
nope
actually there are 4, the screenshot was a second too fast, but there is a 4th kidney on gladiusex as well that pops up
i'm not really sure what to take away either, bigdebuffs is mandatory, got to have gladiusex or gladius or sarena, the kidney above their names on the little rectangle is from the standard ui, i could remove nameplatecds but it has info i don't see anywhere else? any suggestions?
jolly sierra
but why u disarmed a mage?
wary spire
could prismatic bauble ever fuck me up in arena? maybe in high ranking?
Sometimes it breaks stealth.
So I use this.
#showtooltip
/cast sprint
/cast [nostealth] Prismatic Bauble
harsh steppe
yah that's what i use too, but i notice sometimes if i shadowstep to someone w/ it on, it has a long trail for a split second that shows where i shadowstepped too, so idk if i should turn it off
wary spire
I mean sure. It probably doesn't help.
harsh steppe
but maybe i'm just overthinking, probably just super highly ranked matches are where that might matter
wary spire
I still like it tho, it's pretty.
harsh steppe
same aha
jolly sierra
but why u disarmed a mage?
WHY U DISARMED THE MAGE?
untold remnant
Guys, anyone knows if you can upgrade a crafted honor piece (in 10.1) to a conquest crafted piece (so upgrade it via the recrafting thing) next patch?
jolly sierra
AAAAAAAAA
jolly sierra
Guys, anyone knows if you can upgrade a crafted honor piece (in 10.1) to a conqu...
if it works like in current patch, yeah why not
is still a recraft for ilvl and optional reagents
untold remnant
I would guess so, that would be cool. To make an honor ring f.e. and upgrade it later to conquest
jolly sierra
ofc, else would be a waste and maybe addresed
u can still reroll stats in crafted, so is almost sure u can use the conq emblem to raise ilvl
untold remnant
Sweet.
jolly sierra
tier sets cant be crafted
elfin maple
hey, will outlaw be viable for pvp , for solo shuffle to get the 1,8k?
how do you think?
harsh steppe
if they can do it, you can do it 
jolly sierra
how many r1 are playing tauren rog in pvp? think there are more
potent pivot
hey, will outlaw be viable for pvp , for solo shuffle to get the 1,8k?
Every spec in the game will always be viable to an extent, especially for goals like 1800/2100
graceful ravine
3300 as outlaw is insane
tawny kestrel
what about 3.4
graceful ravine
thats why youre r1 and im a pleb that barely gets glad
outlaw is so fun
my fav spec to play when its good
copper maple
but war stomp makes me consider the power they present
The power of putting everyone on stun dr?
waxen meteor
The power of putting everyone on stun dr?
tawny kestrel
my fav spec to play when its good
i think it will be good next season
its already decent
and next tier set is good
graceful ravine
jolly sierra
what happened with "cc is dead rip rog"?
graceful ravine
outlaw has the survivability, just need big dmg
scarlet shell
the fuck it does
i feel like such a Lidl Sub rogue, than an actual pirate with so many wounds on my body, almost bleeding out but I still will destroy everything in my path before i lay down
scarlet shell
good, thats the outlawing i want to see
but i have to give up some damage for that almost high survivability
jolly sierra
at least they left our blood drink intact
untold remnant
#eu can it be Wednesday please
jolly sierra
US players can you do me a favor?
can you confirm tomorrow here if pvp ilvl reagent will be available from honor vendor? ty
untold remnant
I guess honor gear will be available
jolly sierra
ahhh off season, where u can get free duelist
copper maple
what happened with "cc is dead rip rog"?
Blind is kill rip rog
jolly sierra
Blind is kill rip rog
no sight is died rip thug
chrome schooner
outlaw's fun usually
waxen meteor
lol
i don' fucking understand
at last day of a season
at 1000 cr range, i tried to farm some conquest point for 1 day age priest (with incomplete gear)
did 4-1 5-0
and other healer quit
wtf could be a reason at last day of a season
couldn't get initial win of a day
surreal barn
Less of a punishment to leave on the last day
surreal barn
His rating suffered more from leaving
jolly sierra
no mayor punishment besides a possible ban
btw found cash in the street this is a lucky day
wary spire
but what's the point leaving
Angry boi.
graceful ravine
anyone know if new honor set is out tmrw?
wise breach
Doubt it
pale storm
I fell like usually the new honor sets come out and you have that one off week to farm new honor gear, get used to changes etc
jolly sierra
chaos bolt goes psh psh
languid ravine
is trading post out?
jolly sierra
yes
languid ravine
at this point I just do my tendies for 6hours a week and unsub after
XD
take this blizzard, I only pay 6 dollars a month for your shitty game HAHAHAHAH GET REKT
potent pivot
languid ravine
see you at June 30
potent pivot
see you at June 30
I’m so confused
languid ravine
thats when I resub for june and july tendies
potent pivot
So you like
Resub just for the battle pass?
(The trading post)
All of the items from the trading post are supposed to recirculate in the future
They’re not meant to be FoTM
languid ravine
I was half joking of course
potent pivot
Ooh lmao
waxen meteor
I am assuming we will still need 1st season tier set right?
even with new honor gear out
potent pivot
For assa maybe
waxen meteor
So arguable in general
First alliance account, so i have a dumb question
does this work with human race skill?
potent pivot
Tbh I have no idea
waxen meteor
necro is good as well
potent pivot
necro is good as well
Necro?
rough stream
I thought human was also an option for double dps trinkets due to massive lack of dmg
potent pivot
yeah its fine
but night elf > human
and orc > undead
but they aren't horrible secondary options ig
wary spire
Is orc ahead even after the nerf?
waxen meteor
you never certain before you get to play but it's not gonna be bad
potent pivot
Is orc ahead even after the nerf?
there's not really any better options on horde
orc, undead or tauren lol
waxen meteor
Just don't go Maghar lol
Go tauren
and rename your char like %Picka%
then people will be sacred
you autowin
wary spire
Nah, i value looks of my char a bit too much for that.
wary spire
Undead or nuffin'.
wary spire
My sister drew my character a few years ago and it was so cool, I don't wanna change it.
What do you guys think, which rogue spec will come up on top? Not counting pink and brown specs.
jolly sierra
purple specs
wary spire
weh
wary spire
If skittles taught me anything - he'll probably tastes like lime.
Or apple. Forgot which. Goddamn you skittles.
grand bear
Night elf for Alliance
Nelf is BiS
spring bough
KIR build might be fun tomorrow
lucid citrus
whats the KIR build?
scarlet shell
keep it rolling
transmogs are ETERNAL
if i dont look good whilst killing then whats the point
narrow tangle
guys whats the best horde spec for us ?
you get free stealth as nightelf which is very valuable
narrow tangle
not bad
jolly sierra
gotta go fast
jolly sierra
ye
vocal surge
ye
jolly sierra
GUUUUUUYS GUUUYS I DID ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
with a class i've never played at high end lvl
PRAISE MEEEEEEEEEEEE
lucid citrus
Congratz man!
jolly sierra
ty my homie
agile leaf
Big congrats!
jolly sierra
thank you thank you
potent pivot
i think i'm gonna play priest as one of my main alts in s2
just for the xmog
i think these are the pvp colors?
the raid colors this season look way better than the pvp tints
potent pivot
yeah i don't care for the warrior set tbh
they kinda knocked it outta the park with the rogue and priest sets
everything else looks kinda meh
warlock doesn't look bad
potent pivot
jolly sierra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkGvY_6W2-c
anyways here are the other sets to take a look
but def ill get rogue one
wait
the mage one