pvp

[ruby drift]

But

Leather wearers

get free dam

pmuch

And anyone with a juicy 2 set can greed for it i guess

like ele sham

[quaint cedar]

Yeah still bad to have the stats so different

[tribal badger]

what

why would they change that

stats are different this season

my ele shaman has 4 tier pieces with vers (same slots) and my hunter has 2

[quaint cedar]

I already tested for outlaw on ptr. You are better off without the new tier set. Just run full conquest

[tribal badger]

every classes tier has unique stats currently

idk why it would be any different on ptr

[tribal badger]

sounds like placeholders to me

my evoker also has different stats on each set piece?

[potent pivot]

you're testing something that's bugged af, so...

[tribal badger]

i just checked all the mail classes

every season secondaries are unique to class tier

[potent pivot]

(as far as i'm aware) the outlaw sets still aren't working correctly

[tribal badger]

thats always been the case

[potent pivot]

so do not count it out yet

[tribal badger]

idk why they would suddenly change that

[quaint cedar]

True, but idk if bug fixes are going to increase the damage from tier that much

[tribal badger]

pve wise if fixed this tier set is theoretically better then s1 for pve

not sure how well itll apply to pvp tho

[potent pivot]

it could change pretty drastically

[quaint cedar]

2pc does almost nothing in pvp because it's nerfed by 50%

So then 4pc does pretty much nothing too

[potent pivot]

[tribal badger]

the question is how do these nerfs apply

because 4set has 2 components

are they both nerfed by 50%

whats a 50% nerf to shamans 2set do

very weird way to nerf sets tbh

[potent pivot]

almost all tier sets are nerfed by 50%

for almost every spec in the game

[scarlet shell]

June 13 is when Revival Catalyst comes online again?

ah well

[tribal badger]

sounds like oversite to me it doesnt make sense entire armor classes would have the same stats on tier

thats never been the case

they are just scrambling i think

[potent pivot]

or they're still just placeholder stats

[tribal badger]

yes thats what im saying

placeholder to be changed last minute

cause blizzard is scrambling to make the patch even playable

theres so many bugs rn

[quaint cedar]

Placeholder for a patch that's 1 week away from launch lol

[tribal badger]

i mean the outlaw set bonus has not functioned correctly once the entire ptr cycle

and its 1 week from release so

[quaint cedar]

Nope

[tribal badger]

same with a few other sets

[scarlet shell]

the outlaw set should work when it hits live, that would be silly if it does not work still, surely

ok actually i sound stupid

ofc it will break

[tribal badger]

[quaint cedar]

What are the remaining bugs again? Armor double dip on 2pc is the only one I know of right now

[tribal badger]

uh

[surreal barn]

Did we find out what happens to symbols for sub if we already have symbols active

[tribal badger]

2set currently doesnt store crits at all

[surreal barn]

Or if it’s applied

[tribal badger]

and yes double dips armor

[potent pivot]

iirc it clips

[tribal badger]

and thats making 4set very bad also

[potent pivot]

or it was at one point

[tribal badger]

because its based on 2set damage

[quaint cedar]

So 2pc just can't crit? Or you mean it doesn't scale damage off of your crits?

[tribal badger]

i mean if u crit an ability, it only stores 2.5% of its damage

because it stores damage of the base non crit ability

[quaint cedar]

Ahhh

Well

[tribal badger]

they broke it when they fixed 4set

[quaint cedar]

With how much we crit

[tribal badger]

yes

that makes it very very very bad

[quaint cedar]

That sucks pretty bad lmao

[tribal badger]

since critting alot is kinda outlaws thing

4set is working correctly finally thop

[quaint cedar]

Hmm well maybe once that's fixed the set will be worth using in pvp

[tribal badger]

the only issue is 4set damage is based on 2set

so with 2set this broken 4set isnt doing very much damage either

[quaint cedar]

But another about the 2pc is that it breaks gouge

Something to consider

Yeah very true

iirc only the 2pc is nerfed by 50% in pvp, 4pc is not

I could be wrong though

[tribal badger]

that would make sense since 4 sets damage is directly reflective of 2set

so nerfing both would be like doubly nerfing 4set

[quaint cedar]

Yeah exactly

Man they must be so behind

There's so many bugs in this patch

[tribal badger]

yes

i mean if u track hotfixes via whatever the pve tcers do

[scarlet shell]

coming back to office moments

[tribal badger]

theyve been nonstop hotfixing ptr for like 3 days now

poor zac keeps needing to retest tier

to see if its still bugged

all undocumented of course

just raidbots stealing spelldata

they r in real crunch time rn

[quaint cedar]

I saw a fun one last week. Rsham stormkeeper doesn’t consume charges. They can kill you from full HP by just spamming lightning bolt. Idk how it happens, but its consistent.

I think it had something to do with a tier set bugging out but idk

[chrome schooner]

Even when it consumes charges they can kill you that way :p

[quaint cedar]

lol true

rsham bursts harder than rogue

[surreal barn]

Yep

[scarlet shell]

the healer, ladies and gentlemen.

[tribal badger]

i mean

most healers probably burst harder then rogue rn

rogue burst is pretty sucky

sin probably beats some healers

but prevoker/rsham burst is pretty spooky

and i bet even rdruid and hpriest can out burst outlaw or sub

[scarlet shell]

i dont mind healers doing damage

they should have a smidge of dps, not make dps invalid

[agile leaf]

my first 6-0!

[tribal badger]

gratz climbin for days

[jolly sierra]

gratz

[agile leaf]

ty man, im growing up

[jolly sierra]

caught in queues

[tribal badger]

45m for a queue

ret forgets to bubble first 2 games

quits

+33 rating

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

back to the queue

[cursive tundra]

am i gimping myself by playing sub instead of sin?

[jolly sierra]

zzzzzzzzzz

[graceful ravine]

so do i need 1400 to buy it, or send to my alt?

[tribal badger]

to buy i believe

[graceful ravine]

that is alot of conq

im sure some of you here have way more tho

[jolly sierra]

to buy

[jolly sierra]

god i'll become hardstuck at this step

always got a guy which trolls the last round or plays like god in the last one

said a fucking druid to stop running away and the guy blamed me

then stopped healing me

[tribal badger]

how do u go

3/3 in a 2400 mmr game

at 1300 rating

and gain 30 rating

bro im being trolled fr

[jolly sierra]

XD

[graceful ravine]

ding din 70!

[waxen meteor]

Fast!

[tribal badger]

👏

we did it

took way fukin longer then it should have because of this smurf protection

unlucky

1 mog left to go

[graceful ravine]

43 conq boxes for my war

lets gooo

[tribal badger]

ez

may u get no repeats

🙏

[waxen meteor]

All dup

[graceful ravine]

lol

had 20 more boxes on my 2nd rogue

got full bis actually

[jolly sierra]

gratz

[tribal badger]

tbh kinda wanna keep pushing as hunter cause survival is fun af

but warriors same mmr higher cr

and queues r cursed by all the bm

warrior till the patch ends ig

[waxen meteor]

I didn’t play survival

How is it

[frozen falcon]

It's my main and it's really solid right now

[jolly sierra]

fkn shit

i went 0-6 in mugambala as a warrior

[copper maple]

80 rating for 6-0 is a crime

[jolly sierra]

dude as a warrior i lose every mugambala or blade edge's i join

dunno how tf im supossed to play in those maps w this class

tf is this

and this

[copper maple]

Nice mmr

[jolly sierra]

lose my 100 CR i've got now cuz a fkn mugambala and blade edge's

god i wanna uninstall

[sharp sierra]

What do you guys spend extra honor on you can't use when you're capped?

Just marks or the 5k box?

[jolly sierra]

back to 1650, gotta go sleep

crap

wish me luck later guys, im tilted af

[copper maple]

I think honor isn't removed when new season starts, so I'd keep it. If it goes back to 0 together with conquest, it doesn't really matter.

[sharp sierra]

Wait, conquest is getting reset? When? I hit max honor all the time so I just buy marks knowing eventually I'll prob buy some transmog gear but I thought I found something to use it on that was useful, can't remember

For now I bought 3 of the 5k boxes, had no idea you could even get purple crafting recipes

[copper maple]

Conquest resets when new season starts.

And s2 blue gear is higher ilvl than s1 purple afaik

[rough stream]

Quick question on the Sub talent Sepsis.
I know it was nerfed some time ago and has since been abandoned in the standard sub pvp build, just wondering if its at all viable these days in pvp and has just been forgotten about.
The leaderboards has it picked a whopping 1.6% of the time, so I'm guessing no... but maybe its just been forgotten about ?

[minor cape]

its dam is pretty low

if you want to do some dirty shit better go flagelation

you might even get a secret technique that is almost as high as your average sec tech pre nerf

[wary spire]

Every time I wake up I check wowhead for rogue buffs. Every morning I'm disappointed.

[sharp sierra]

Damn lol. Kind of demotivating. When does that happen? 10.1? I'm assuming we should just have max honor around that time then?

That being the case, should I orient more of my time towards gearing for PvE vs PvP until the new season then?

[vocal surge]

playing a gacha game over WoW feels refreshing

[surreal barn]

I decided playing the Touch Grass game until 10.1.

Amazing game. Would highly recommend.

[minor cape]

the gameplay sucks!!

and pvp is forbidden

[surreal barn]

Unless you live in the designated PVP area Florida

[vocal surge]

dont got grass around me but got dirt instead but ye, school go brrr

[minor cape]

do they have a 3v3 arena

[copper maple]

I think the season starts a week after new big patch like 10.1 comes out, don't remember.

And 10.1 is early may, right?

[surreal barn]

Can you still hoard honor by buying gear and returning it

Might be a safe way to hold if they do wipe it clean lol

I mean it is ridiculously easy to get now anyway so prob no dire reason

[copper maple]

Is the patch globally released or first americas, then europe like regular reset?

[tribal badger]

Same as regular reset

Global release is just a new expac thing

[scarlet shell]

whos ready for embers of lagtherion

there is gonna be constant disconnecting for a week i guarantee

anyways i have some alts to iron

[copper maple]

I'm ready for embers of notplayrion 😀

[potent pivot]

They don’t wipe honor between patches afaik

Just conq etc

[potent pivot]

That’s up to you really, gear for whatever content you plan on doing

[idle root]

does pvp season end next reset or may 9th? how long do we have to get the mogs

[twin burrow]

2nd

Last day

[ruby drift]

What made sepsis strong was the conduits and other things in the SL covenant tree. Stuff you cannot access anymore.

It front loaded the damage essentially, squishing the dot by a lot.

[waxen meteor]

Oh so this is last week already?

[jolly sierra]

think can be a good idea w assa in s2

but at this step everything can be a good idea in s2

[magic arch]

Hoping outlaw doesnt tickle in s2 :))

Or well has decent kill potential

[jolly sierra]

if they buff our survivability, sure why not

[wicked rampart]

They actually nerfed hardiness I can't believe it

[graceful ravine]

gonna play my warrior this weekend in shuffle with 0 experience/cr

hope i at least get 1800 lmao

[graceful ravine]

whats the change?

[wicked rampart]

50% reduction in pvp

[minor cape]

any new patches? any buffs to rog?

[minor cape]

on ptr

[minor cape]

it was long time ago no?

or they did it again so its 5% now

?

[wicked rampart]

Was it? I didn't recall seeing anything official on hardiness getting touched until now

[minor cape]

on ptr they did it like a month ago

and it became 10%

[tribal badger]

these are the official notes

that means they are a conglomeration of changes

these arent new ptr changes

[graceful ravine]

10% is still good imo

[tribal badger]

so when reading these compare them to live, not to old ptr

(so yes its down to 10%)

[minor cape]

oh oke

[graceful ravine]

is 10% enough to make rogues lose a global?

[minor cape]

so its done basically and they did not

buff rogue

in a meaningful way

[tribal badger]

5s stun > 4.5s stun

from 4 gcds to 3.5 gcds

so yes

[wicked rampart]

Literally 1% is enough to lose a global

lol

[tribal badger]

ye unless ur law

[graceful ravine]

ok good lol i dont need to pay for a race change then

[minor cape]

rogue gcd is 1.20?

[tribal badger]

1s

[wicked rampart]

1

[tribal badger]

kidney gcd takes 1s of ur stun

so 4s of gcds for a 5s stun

[minor cape]

fucking quasimodos will not give a shit about my kidney

🥹

[wicked rampart]

It's impact has primarily been a severe factor for ruining sub cheap shot chains

But with how rough sub is likely going to be going into the patch it won't matter much I'd imagine

[graceful ravine]

sub doesnt do well in dampen matches

does 0 dmg

healer will never go oom healing sub dmg

[minor cape]

hopefully we can play it smh

[graceful ravine]

im hopeful for outlaw buffs

[jolly sierra]

give love to assas to keep standing for rogs

[graceful ravine]

they should let assa rot for a season imo

give room for new meta

[pale storm]

apparently Thief's Bargain fixed on ptr and lowers vanish CD now

[surreal barn]

Great news

[pale storm]

https://twitter.com/RMazrigos/status/1651651811629998096?s=20

RAT-MAZRIGOS (@RMazrigos)

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHA IT WORKS IT ACTUALLY FUCKING WORKS NO WAY ONLY TOOK THEM AN ENTIRE YEAR

thieves bargain now correctly lowers the cd of vanish by 33% good job lads! maybe next year you can fix nightstalker @WarcraftDevs

Twitter · Apr 27, 2023, 6:17 PM

[tribal badger]

sheesh thats actually a pretty big survivability buff for sub

[potent pivot]

[tribal badger]

vanish shield didnt get nerfed either right

[surreal barn]

Pretty sure the damage reduction was buffed as well

[tribal badger]

which means it got "buffed" by the hp buff

its a % hp shield right?

[sharp sierra]

Okay what’s going on bc these patch notes have me wanting to end it all

[surreal barn]

https://youtu.be/RFeWTMiduLg

[sharp sierra]

With the amount of nerfs included in the notes on wowhead we have to be getting buffs before the patch hits, I’m just wondering why I’m seeing all this nonsense on YT & Twitch getting my hopes up only to read these patch notes and feel like I’m watching someone assassinate my entire family

[graceful ravine]

seriously? this is it?

lmao F

[tribal badger]

global change to kicks

pretty much every lockout got nerfed

precog season btw

[graceful ravine]

i mean the lack of changes for rogues in general

[tribal badger]

ya its fun

[graceful ravine]

2 lines lol

[wicked rampart]

Almost all of our changes in both pvp and pve were just the global balancing lmao

Oh and a couple of useless pvp talent reworks

Can't forget those

[tribal badger]

i mean the new cloaked looks pretty good

physical damage removal and second evasion

def worth slotting in vs some things

is it enough? no lol

[wicked rampart]

Yea new veiled is about the only thing going for us atm

[tribal badger]

but im not gunna pretend its bad

gives us an entire new defensive vs melee trains

very nice tbh

outlaws gunna be sooooo tanky into double melee

with evasion cdr and evasion cloak

now u just gotta pray they train u so ur partner can do the damage u lack

[graceful ravine]

i dont think these buffs for outlaw is enough

barely offset the crit dmg loss since outlaw specs into crit

[jolly sierra]

think u will go haste like in SL this time

[graceful ravine]

no idea

[languid ravine]

Hope always dies last!
Because you ll die first if you play rogue kek

[graceful ravine]

but with take your cut, thats 15% haste on rtb

• vigor

i cant imagine haste being bis

[languid ravine]

ouh 15% stamina though

[graceful ravine]

mages getting lots of buffs tho

i can totally imagine a mage+lock season

[jolly sierra]

fkn mages

as they wouldn't be high tiered right now

[languid ravine]

look guys, why do you post these long ass patchnotes, when you can just use differential equations and reduce it to a one liner

"outlaw now deals 5% more irrelevant damage"

[jolly sierra]

so, what will u do guys?

[languid ravine]

(clap emoji)

[jolly sierra]

suffer in low ranked SS

go rbgs securing ur place to cap some chests

or unsub?

[languid ravine]

play FDK, Svhunt, enhance shaman instead and hope one of them will be fun at least

otherwise just uninstall tbh

[graceful ravine]

m+ looks exciting tbh, but i dont have time to push that

[jolly sierra]

well

time to go ret in my case

i'll have rog in RBGs meanwhile tho

[graceful ravine]

or play diablo in june

[languid ravine]

doubt diablo is gonna be fun for longer than a month or two

if even that

[waxen meteor]

buff is only for outlaw/

couldn't seem to find the tuning wowhead post

[graceful ravine]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-patch-10-1-embers-of-neltharion-patch-notes-332645

[jolly sierra]

im out 40 buttons is way too much

cya noobs

[waxen meteor]

ROGUE
Kick interrupt duration decreased to 3 seconds (was 5 seconds).
Soothing Darkness now heals for 24% of maximum health (was 30%).

[tribal badger]

wait what ilvl is conq gear next season?

[jolly sierra]

yep that nerf was pretty asspulled from nowhere

454 i recall

[waxen meteor]

followed by SP change of 2 pages

[tribal badger]

ah ok

[tribal badger]

they did a semi global nerf to % healing effects

[graceful ravine]

werent they supposed to give us a new exsang? they said they changed it to 3 min cd tempoarily and will re-visit in the future

[tribal badger]

to counter the hp buff

thats what thats from

but they missed quite a couple

[jolly sierra]

well our vial is saved

for now

[tribal badger]

like crimson vial

sub rogue vanish shield

[waxen meteor]

for a 3 min cd skill, exsang is unbelievable..

[tribal badger]

dk death strike

etc etc

ye

[jolly sierra]

or warr victory strike

[waxen meteor]

Precognition (PvP Talent) has been removed. Precognition can now be crafted onto gear via Optional Reagent and counts as an Embellishment.

[tribal badger]

SnD healing also got missed

recuperator

[jolly sierra]

it regens 30% every 25s

[tribal badger]

yup warriors didnt get nerfed

[waxen meteor]

so range/caster gets Precognition free

[tribal badger]

yes

[jolly sierra]

nobody takes the % healing

they takes ignore instead

and was buffed

[tribal badger]

well ignore was buffed because buffing hp pools nerfs the value of direct healing

like ignore pain

thats why all the hybrid healing got buffed

the hp buff was meant to nerf healers ability to top hp pools

[graceful ravine]

i cant wait to smash some rogues

[tribal badger]

not dps/hybrids

[graceful ravine]

sry fellow bois

[jolly sierra]

ME WARRIOR

nah dont worry

[languid ravine]

is using bloodred phial a losing button now?

[jolly sierra]

we were in another boat since the nerf anyways

some of us

[waxen meteor]

ok, so am i doing a lv60 war now?

so should i go with war counter class now

assuming everybody goes war

[graceful ravine]

mage lock beats war ret

[languid ravine]

I think warri is kinda bait, it already is carried by its other dps supporting it kinda

[waxen meteor]

yeah i feel mage lock now tbh

Sigil of Misery duration decreased to 3 seconds in PvP combat (was 4 seconds).
Imprison duration decreased to 3 seconds in PvP combat (was 4 seconds).

[tribal badger]

i mean next season looks like wizard

[waxen meteor]

these 2-3 sec cc

[tribal badger]

precog embel is a mistake

but the changes def to make arms seem like a decent spec

high pressure high sustain good burst good healing

doesnt get hurt by cc nerf really at all

all the changes look to consistent pressure/ms specs to be good

which would be sin for rogues, i just dont know if it has enough damage

[jolly sierra]

if rog gets buffed soon w assa included think is their season

they feasts wizards in lobbies

[tribal badger]

ye

big thing thats changing i i think there isnt gunna be much 100 to 0ing in a stun this season

there was seasons like that in wod

u setup with a stun on someone already half hp to get kills

which is why sustain specs r good

u wanna always be chunking before u setup a go

[jolly sierra]

also u can hide and open without issues when ur partners are pillar hugging

wod had a very good moment for all 3 rog specs in a season

tbh i always disliked stun 100-0 seasons

[marble oasis]

i'm wondering if sin is actually going to be nuts and mainly focusing on bleed spread

[graceful ravine]

based on the current changes, the answer is no

[tribal badger]

bleed spreading? i doubt it sins rot is pretty weak compared to actual rot specs

and aoe healing this expac has been extremely efficient

[graceful ravine]

assa had one of the best tier sets (s1) and we're gonna lose that

[tribal badger]

its why the raw dps rot specs arent super high WR unless they also have an aoe MS

[marble oasis]

hmm yeh hadn't considered the teir going away

[tribal badger]

like feral is ok but it has much higher aoe rot then sin and an easy to maintain aoe MS

aff is king of rot but has a terrible w/r because aoe healing is so strong this expac

maybe the shift in damage pattern will benifit it?

[marble oasis]

Yeh that is sorta what i am thinking with these higher HP pulls bursting doesn't appear on paper to be the go to thing anymore

i could be completely wrong about that xD

[tribal badger]

i mean bursting is still fine, the thing is u dont wanna setup goes with targets at 100% hp anymore

[jolly sierra]

alright, my guild kidnapped me for this season

[marble oasis]

and i may be huffing Copium but i'm hoping the higher HP pools will get sin a bit more sustain again

[jolly sierra]

im going rbg w rog now

[tribal badger]

stuns nerfed + healing nerfed + hp pools buffed

[marble oasis]

as it got nuked for being too high for the current health pools

[tribal badger]

if ur only sending kidneys when a targets at 100% hp then popping all cds ur gunna have a bad time

u wanna do high sustain pressure and do setups with targets already sub 50/60% hp

then use ur burst etc

there was def seasons in WoD like this

[marble oasis]

i'd actually like a season like that. where kills are intentional not pools i popped my burst button lel you died

[jolly sierra]

yeah

[waxen meteor]

k, 1 game away from dueliest hunter

[jolly sierra]

fuck that

[jolly sierra]

CMON CMOOOOON

[waxen meteor]

funny i do all learnings myself

never watched anything

[jolly sierra]

tbh w warr was similar

when i was doing low dps i was realizing what was going on

and just checked than thunderclap applies rend in aoe

thought it just was used to spread it

flawed af

[waxen meteor]

damn you guys are all doing warriors now

i feel i need to make one too

will the conquer box still purchasable next week?

hmmm

Dagger in the Dark (PvP Talent) has been redesigned – Each second while Stealth is active, nearby enemies within 12 yards take an additional 2% damage from you for 10 seconds. Stacks up to 6 times.

What you guys think about it?

12 yards is very easy to be hit by aoe isnt it?

---

Maneuverability (PvP Talent) has been redesigned – Sprint has a 50% reduced cooldown and 50% reduced duration.

This becomes Pally's horse skill?

[languid ravine]

no it becomes Sprint with baked in maneuvarbility

[jolly sierra]

think w the ret is enough tbh

tbh love this kind of simplistic high res swords

imagine w pvp ilussions

[wide parcel]

Blind duration decreased to 5 seconds in PvP combat (was 8 seconds).
Sap duration decreased to 6 seconds in PvP combat (was 8 seconds).

is it just me or rogue is dead in RBGs ?

you cant cap any bases now with those times

[jolly sierra]

not at all

u can still def

[wide parcel]

sure you can be the boring defender only now =/

[jolly sierra]

well i was always the boring defender anyways tbh lol

think to assault a base u need min 2

[wide parcel]

flag cap is 6s cast i belive

you could always sap /blind cap

[jolly sierra]

thought the time was exact for both blind and sap to cap

[wide parcel]

i mean why pick a rogue if an hunter can do a better job ?

[tribal badger]

in rbg ur target isnt gunna be standing in sap range of flag

[jolly sierra]

ccs are all nerfed

[waxen meteor]

in lowbie range they do

[jolly sierra]

so nobody can fill that role anymore

[tribal badger]

sure ig

everythings viable in lowbie rbgs

[waxen meteor]

anyway i don't play rbg that much

a bit boring and too many people

[wide parcel]

you could sap sprint cap too if they were close enough

[tribal badger]

if u dont start the cap basically as u sap it doesnt finish before they can hit u

any distance prevents it

unless they dont know what ability to use to instantly cancel u

players already stand 30 yards from the flag in real rbgs

sap capping is dead

[jolly sierra]

u need a druid

helping u doing that

so u can sap and dr later

[wide parcel]

you cant even sap cap if the guy is under the flag now

6s sap vs 6s cap cast...

the guys just need to spawn a skill and will defende lol

[tribal badger]

latency would probably allow it if ur standing in range of flag as u sap but yea its pretty dead

[jolly sierra]

well at least defending role is safe

so won't have issues in rbgs atm

[wide parcel]

but why pick a rogue over a hunter /lock?

they are even more flex in tfs

[jolly sierra]

cuz rogue has stealth

perma stealth

[wide parcel]

hunter too

[jolly sierra]

temporal

[tribal badger]

hunters is 50% downtime

cd doesnt start until the ability ends

[jolly sierra]

that is the reason u don't see hunters insta stealthing after it fades in arena

also rogue can still do kill goes on flag carriers

[wide parcel]

hope i'm just being pessimistic but really not cool killing an enjoyable gameplay like that.

a stable one for years.

[jolly sierra]

blame 1k cr noobs in forums

which blizzard hears the most

[nova hill]

Maybe we need to go with sap and smoke bomb? 🤷

[wide parcel]

for me rbg will get very boring now.

it will be mostly about who wins TFs

[tribal badger]

smoke bombs duration is shorter then sap tho

r u gunna smoke bomb mid flag cap cast somehow

[jolly sierra]

in current season a smoke bomb doesnt work to cap by urself

[tribal badger]

^

gotta just accept the reality

sap capping is deadge

honestly probably even dead in rando bgs cause with 6s duration its extremely hard to pull off even if the person is near the flag

need to be starting the flag cap as sap goes off practically

[waxen meteor]

Damn 2-4

[tribal badger]

and pray they dont have an instant hit spell

[wide parcel]

buttons smash and you will def even under the flag

[tribal badger]

mhm

[jolly sierra]

just stay in home for this season

[tribal badger]

now the warrior method of capping flags is much more effective next season

zugzug in

kill defender in 5s

cap flag

[wide parcel]

they dont want long ccs sure but they should low caps to 5s

[tribal badger]

[jolly sierra]

me smash puny rogue

me win base

[tribal badger]

aight time for some warrior queues

🙏

give me gud queues today blizz

[wide parcel]

warrior was always in demand -50% heals

[vocal surge]

How to play any melee: Press buttons win
How to play Rogue: 5 page thesis

[wide parcel]

war TC is god

[jolly sierra]

rogue killing method:

fuck

wtf

[vocal surge]

lol

[jolly sierra]

here

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/glasses-what-confused-puzzled-christopher-gif-16129688

also reason to play rogue:

We get more emoji freedom than other class discords

[jolly sierra]

yep

[vocal surge]

[languid ravine]

this is just the opener

[jolly sierra]

ye lol

[languid ravine]

I guess if you play Sub that is all you do

[tawny kestrel]

@wide parcel it wont change too much for rbg

u dont get any bases 1v1 atm anyways unless the defender sucks

[graceful ravine]

wait what? are you saying sprint clear roots?

[languid ravine]

oops I meant there is a talent

on the class tree

[jolly sierra]

wat

[languid ravine]

but I m not 100% sure

[jolly sierra]

try check ptr

[tribal badger]

man

when ur facing ret/dk and they decide to train u the whole game

so u just camp dstance and press ignore pain/victory on cd

do more dps then them and outheal them

while ur bm hunter wins u the game with setups on enemy healer

imagine training an arms warrior

[spring bough]

so i am sitting 3-2 last round with a mage 0-5 at this point. forgot to focus healer for my blinds. we just started going in on this DH and then im thinking ima pop blind on healer, well it goes DH and as i do that the mage just blasted him for like 100k + and we won the match in under 20 seconds. unreal lol

[waxen meteor]

You know it seems mathematically impossible to have yourself 3-2 and dps teammate last round at 0-5

[spring bough]

1-4* either way accidental blind for the win felt awesome lol

[jolly sierra]

well as ranged i got fkn trained sometimes as warr

almost all times in mugambala and blade edge's if im the only melee

OOF

once we had a guy which died in like 3 seconds in a round

think was a sub yesterday

[spring bough]

how do me and this DH do like 3.5 mill more damage and we still lost this round

[jolly sierra]

i bursted w all then the guy popped evasion at 10% and i used overpower

so bypassed all the shit and died

[spring bough]

damn that must have felt good

[jolly sierra]

wait why u have chinese there

[spring bough]

i have no idea lol

[jolly sierra]

well

im checking ptr w my rog

still curious about how true is than sprint got baked w manuv

[spring bough]

im instantly picking up this new cloak pvp talent on tuesday

[wary spire]

Wait for real? Like, by default?

[languid ravine]

there is a real chance that I got that Info from third party and replicated it without even confirming it myself xd

[jolly sierra]

ask blackgvard

[jolly sierra]

i'm checking when this shit gets updated

and will confirm for u all

[languid ravine]

I remember it replacing the old 30% less movement impairing effects

supposedly allegedly

[wary spire]

I don't remember that being mentioned with datamining...

[graceful ravine]

first game ever as warrior

3k inc!

[jolly sierra]

OOF

gratz

[spring bough]

i just know your zug zug zugging away lol

[graceful ravine]

ya i was just pveing and pressing buttons

[spring bough]

that is all i do on my DK. if i CC it is what it is. i just smash buttons on the DK and things die lol

[jolly sierra]

fake news

talents are intact

[tribal badger]

woof

managed to go 3/3 in a rough lobby

2200 👏 just need some good queues

dk/frost mage/bm hunter

what a nightmare. anytime u press a single cd as arms u just get 90% slowed > kited by everyone

dk actually playing defensivly who woulda thought

[pale storm]

my guy out W keyed the lot of them! Big Dam

[tribal badger]

felt like a rogue just won games in a burst window without any sustain pressure cause i couldnt touch anything

[jolly sierra]

poor warrs

imagine a lobby w an arcane a balance and a frost

[graceful ravine]

need to figure out the optimal balance between battle vs d stance

[pale storm]

your ptrr update yet?

[graceful ravine]

ive been just zug zug til death

[jolly sierra]

i already updated it

no changes at sprint

[spring bough]

when you bomb and delete a ret without him bubbling best feeling ever

[jolly sierra]

that is maybe he got stuck in gcd

cuz he did something else

[spring bough]

he pressed 0 buttons lol

[jolly sierra]

then gg lol

[jolly sierra]

0-6 in blade edge's against a chicken and a frost

[graceful ravine]

30 min solo queue already

what is this nonsense

[jolly sierra]

fuck it

just rooted 24/7

[simple crest]

geez. im having to throw away honor on asp gear cause im at cap, but i lose rating going 3/3 in SS and gain no rating going 4/2

[jolly sierra]

are you aiming for some specific rating?

[simple crest]

1000 so i can upgrade stuff

[graceful ravine]

i hate this game

[tribal badger]

😴

give me the QUEUEUEUES

[jolly sierra]

are you sure you wanna upgrade now when aspirant gear will have more ilvl?

[simple crest]

honor gets reset when the patch goes live

[tribal badger]

have they confirmed that anywhere?

[simple crest]

dont they always do that?

[tribal badger]

no

i dont know if theyve reset honor in any previous seasons in shadowlands

conq always gets reset

[jolly sierra]

no

[tribal badger]

theres not usually honor gear thats higher ilvl then last seasons conq gear tho

that is new

[jolly sierra]

in SL they never reset honor

[tribal badger]

so who knows

sl never had new honor gear higher ilvl then the previous seasons conq is the thing

so i could see them doing it so every pvper doesnt spike 15 ilvls tomorrow

[jolly sierra]

had an equal to elite gear w every season

so idk how will go now

[tribal badger]

sure but not higher

[jolly sierra]

nobody knows tbh

[tribal badger]

so like, u didnt get any upgrade from conq until new conq for most

but yea no way to know

they havent said

[jolly sierra]

but imo

[tribal badger]

they usually make a post that says

[jolly sierra]

just gather 15k honor

[tribal badger]

a few days before patch

[jolly sierra]

and sit

like me, i wanna die

hope this time is not a fkn blade edge's plagued by rangeds

[tribal badger]

bro

i just had a game

warlock/rsham/hunter

blades edge

🥹

[jolly sierra]

F

yesterday lose 100 points cuz i was in a blade edge's and a mugambala in a row

how tf i can improve my luck? throwing dices?

[graceful ravine]

wrecking throw hits like a truck vs shields wtf

[tribal badger]

yeeee boi

see karma

bye karma

might as well have been bopped off

same for lock shield

[jolly sierra]

yeah is good af

or against cocoon

fuck cocoon

[graceful ravine]

im so amazed at how r1 players can multi class so easily

im running around at 1900 mmr solo shuffle completely clueless

just zug zug

mb i need a few hundred more games

[simple crest]

does thief's bargain not work? i take it and it still says vanish has a 2 min recharge.

[jolly sierra]

will work next week

[simple crest]

ty

[tranquil wigeon]

Just played a BG where a hunter had his pet follow me 24/7 even if I was in stealth, before I was even in combat or near anyone. Bug? Hack? Working as intended? Lmao

[tribal badger]

did he get hunters mark on u when u spawned

its pretty long range

[potent pivot]

it seems to be working on PTR, not live

[potent pivot]

#outlaw message

[graceful ravine]

😮

not bad

[potent pivot]

yeah, zero way to know if real or not

but here's hoping

[graceful ravine]

kingsbane enjoyer!

outlaw buffs look decent

if true ofc

[potent pivot]

yeah, would be good for sin as well

sub dream still would seem kinda deadge, but we'll see what happens

[spring bough]

wow so if you DC its like auto AFK out

lag spike DCed immediately logged back in and was already out of the shuffle

this game is so dumb there goes 150 rating lmao

[jolly sierra]

same happens to me sometimes

think i won't get 1k8 before the reset

maybe i catched in a bad moment

just full of fkn casters

[tribal badger]

managed to get likt 5 games in tonight

climbed almost 200 rating

havent gotten a queue for 1.5 hours now

almost bedtime

[jolly sierra]

F

crap

i refuse to stop going cuz the deadline

so even if i drop to 1k4 will keep going

but im losing hopes tbh

[jolly sierra]

match w frost vs 2 arms and a ret

frost ended 0-6

[tribal badger]

ugh

another 3/3 zero rating match at 2300

vs frost hunter just playing kite all game

with a paladin that doesnt freedom me once

zzzz

[potent pivot]

oo also this for everyone who was talking about item stats

https://twitter.com/ScarizardPlays/status/1651755496280563713?s=20

benoit blanka (@ScarizardPlays)

@PublikPriest @Theunwow @WarcraftDevs ok just sent

• 2 cloth pieces had incorrect stats so fixed
• most class set items for all classes updated
• most raid weapon stats updated

i’m sure there will still be ppl not liking certain stats but! the above ones were at least unintended and now changed

Twitter · Apr 28, 2023, 1:09 AM

[pale storm]

43/50 glad wins, letsgo

[quaint cedar]

which buffs?

nvm I'm stupid, didn't see the link

[spring bough]

just seen a feral druid get hit with elemental blast for 175k LOL

25% to dead in a second lol

[jolly sierra]

dunno wtf is going on tbh

[jolly sierra]

some fkn r1 druid can tell low ranked ones to stop fkn random cycloning stuff?

i was bursting and he cycloned my target

[waxen meteor]

when will be the last day of this season?

next Monday?

[jolly sierra]

ye

[waxen meteor]

want to play some more rogue games

is that a super bad idea?

[jolly sierra]

at this step

tbh

everything is ok

cuz doesn't matter too much anymore

ME SMASH

4-2

[sharp sierra]

They made the official patch notes announcement 🥴

I have no words for what they’re doing to Rogue 🙃

[jolly sierra]

yeah its over

lets hide in RBGs

they will miss us in pvp

[jolly sierra]

had a match w a ret

he lose and after 4th round did alt + f4

[unborn portal]

https://gyazo.com/3ca80b4b1c032d7d2aabc097a446b2be

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523282321303142400/1067752330210066432/attachment-1.gif

[jolly sierra]

oof

[lone goblet]

Played my first shuffle game with an Outlaw rogue... oof

[nova hill]

I just leveled my rogue for fast RBG Queues, well shit

[unborn portal]

No that was me I got 6-0

[jolly sierra]

ohhhh gratz

i got a leaver in my last match

a ret

imagine

[waxen meteor]

Trying to get another match before going to bed

but it doesnt pop

they need to make CR change * 1.5 S2

to at least compenstate the duration of queue

[unborn portal]

I healed a prot warrior last night

In ss

On my team 3x

Loses 3x

Goes to druid team, i win first round

1-3

Warrior leaves

-8 points

Ok I guess can’t even 3-3

Because he left

Cooked

[jolly sierra]

why they join like that in the 1st place lol

same w bears

[jolly sierra]

or make ppl lose half too

[untold remnant]

Literally hide yes, cause we can’t solo cap a base anymore #basedefenders

[wary spire]

I believed it not because it sounded convincing, but because I preferred living in a sweet lie rather than in a harsh reality.

My only hope now is that a headless chicken on blizz balancing team lands on "buff rogues" in the next two weeks, otherwise it's so over.

[minor cape]

that leaked sub buff is a joke

as usual

or maybe they want us to ditch sec tech

idk

[wary spire]

But outlaw ones are pretty dope, no? I mean I assume bte buffed by 20% would do more than just tickle.

[minor cape]

guess we re playing law

[wary spire]

Playing law and laying low.

[sharp sierra]

Aeonaxx is up for me on a low level char can anyone come help me kill him

I’ll invite you

[harsh steppe]

this is #pvp

[sharp sierra]

I know, someone got to want him still lol

[surreal barn]

This Einstein knows how long our queue times are lol

[minor cape]

lol

ngl if i were in wow rn id do it

unless he is ret then fuck it lol

[wary spire]

At this point - who isn't.

[spring bough]

I’m itching to leave work today. Sitting at 2250 or something gonna make one last elite push this weekend lol

[tribal badger]

same ended up at 2246 after a -60 point loss to a frost mage demo/demo soloq lobby

anytime I step away from pillar I deadge

[spring bough]

I started yesterday at 2256 first game of my night DC last round and it was an instant afk out when I got back on so had to climb back 😭

I don’t know if it was me or if they secretly messed w RTB procs but every game I was getting 5 buffs at least once. Mostly from CTO but a few rolls gave me 5 too

[unborn portal]

my best climb this season ngl was when I was drunk

on my rogue

lmaooo

[spring bough]

Yeah I guess I get nervous getting towards elite and then do dumb shit. Maybe I should have a couple drinks tn when I start 😂

But somethings can’t be stopped. Like yesterdays one que. first round one shot ret in smoke and he doesn’t bubble. Next round he somehow one shots me in a second with some 100k + crits w no time to press buttons lol

[surreal barn]

Forreal it helps having two rogues. Just play the other to surpass your main and vice versa

[full patrol]

Just getting into solo shuffle. I am 419 raid gear. Is pvp gear worth farming?

[spring bough]

You should be fine max is 424 for pvp. I would just make sure you get the pvp trinkets

[tribal badger]

^ make sure u get the pvp trinket set bonus asap (can buy it crafted at 397 pvp ilvl)

and depending on ur gear you'll want to get some pvp gear because you may have very low vers

and rogue is a kill target for many specs

not gunna be very fun for u or ur healer getting trained all game with low vers

[full patrol]

I guess the main reason I ask is cause everyone is like no pvp gear?!?! Also everyone has way more hp. I have like 360 and everyone else is well over 400

[tribal badger]

thats the pvp trinket set bonus

ur hard inting if you dont have that, replace whatever trinkets u have and go buy the crafted green ones

[full patrol]

Ah gotcha. So get trinkets asap.

[tribal badger]

the set bonus gives huge stamina and decent damage and u need a cc removal trinket

but also ur healers r not gunna be happy healing you if ur in sub or assassination pve gear

outlaw is generally ok because it focuses vers in pve anyway

[full patrol]

Yeah I am outlaw

Thank you

[glad lichen]

What’s go to spec for casual pvp? By casual I mean easier to learn and more forgiving as I play quite rarely. Sub or assa?

[tribal badger]

probably sin

honestly i feel like all rogue specs r pretty bad for casual pvp rn but sin does the most raw ST damage

sub requires ur partners carrying a lot of the load damage wise

outlaws inbetween, its the tankiest but also requires the most active button mashing and doesnt really have any burst at all

[glad lichen]

Thanks a lot, Ill try sin then

[untold remnant]

Where can we read these leaks?

[full patrol]

Is there a reason the Onyx ring is not used much in PVP? Its 424... and the damage procs are nice, yeah?

[wicked rampart]

Nerfed in pvp

[full patrol]

Ah okay. Thank you.

[graceful ravine]

Sat in a 45 min shuffle queue on my war

Having negative fun

[jolly sierra]

drop a turnip and start smashing

[wicked tide]

What leaked sub buff?

[wary spire]

"Leaked"

[waxen meteor]

I have my pet pvp even up while waiting in the queues lately

Last week I tried to finish the pet weekly and had some fun

So I started to level some pets

[wary spire]

WAIT

IS REAL

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/class-tuning-incoming-with-embers-of-neltharion-patch-444929

[jolly sierra]

CRAP

THEY THINK OUR DMG IS ENOUGH

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[graceful ravine]

OHSHIT

THEY FIXED NIGHTSTALKER TOO

Is nightstalker nerfed in PvP

Anyone know

Wait those assa buffs don’t apply to PvP

LOL

[tribal badger]

no its not but uh

nightstalker is worth like 0.8% dps for outlaw in pvp

0% for sin (obviously)

maybe 2% ish for sub?

so glhf

nightstalker was always a meme because its worth so little but people still annoyed cause spending 2 talent points on 0% dps

now ur spending them on 1% dps

👍

rouge saved

[pale storm]

WDYM? 8% damage in Sdance for sub is huge

[wary spire]

Poor assa tho.

[tribal badger]

ok but nightstalker was always working for shadowstrike in dance

so this literally just buffs ur finishers by 8% during dance

which is better then nothing sure

not as big as ur thinking tho

[pale storm]

I tohughtr ngithstalker was just not working at all?

[tribal badger]

for sin and outlaw

for some reason it always functioned for shadowstrike

[queen geyser]

WE GOT 'EM

🍾

[graceful ravine]

i dont think outlaw would pick that dispatch talent in pvp anyways

duration is only 8 seconds and very hard to keep up in pvp

and have to give up other strong talents for it

[tribal badger]

its a kir build focused buff

this buff is almost nothing for the HO builds (all outlaw pvp builds)

probably 1-1.5% ish raw dps total

[graceful ravine]

Outlaw needs at least a 10% overall dmg buff to compete in dmg with warriors rets dh dk

[queen geyser]

Run Ghostly Strike lol

[jolly sierra]

give us the buffs for pvp u cowards

[wise breach]

Lmao, fuck off Blizzard

[jolly sierra]

u will regret that

[wary spire]

If you only ever pressed bte - technically we got a 20% dmg buff.

[wise breach]

Any fellow new Hunter mains in here?

The most hilarious part to me is

Mutilate damage increased by 5%. These changes do not affect PvP Combat.

Imagine thinking buffing Mutilate in PvP would be too much

[tribal badger]

I mean they just didnt wanna buff sin at all in pvp

which is funny

cause ur about to lose ur s1 tier set (probably)

and it was pretty damn strong

[quaint cedar]

Yeah RIP sin rogues

Nightstalker fix is real nice for outlaw. There's so many times when I just barely don’t have enough damage to kill so the extra damage during dance could help

[spring bough]

cant wait thats 8% more dmg every shadow dance

maybe outlaw will be somewhat decent if they fix the tier too

[jolly sierra]

can we cry in forums for give this to us in pvp?

[quaint cedar]

My damage on the ptr wasn't too terrible even without the tier

[jolly sierra]

like they did w ret threatening w unsubs?

[quaint cedar]

Still lower than others but like not the worst

[spring bough]

why do i feel like the improved BTE talent might be good now. 20% BTE buff and then 4x crit damage

[quaint cedar]

I was wondering that too. Our builds are pretty tight on points though

[jolly sierra]

im really surprised they fixed nightstalker tbh

[spring bough]

that is so big

[quaint cedar]

I don't understand why sin didn't get pvp buffs

I don't play it but I feel bad for you guys that do

That sucks lol

[jolly sierra]

because they are into an echo chamber

[tribal badger]

crit damage is nerfed tho

it is actively a dps loss to try to get this talent for HO builds

if we play KiR builds you might take it

but sounds terrible

[spring bough]

ight nvm on that one lol. just gonna stick to my same build next patch at this point lol

[quaint cedar]

I just can't imagine KiR working for pvp. Way too much micro cc I think

[spring bough]

wish it was just a flat 5% dmg inc across the board

dispatch gonna go max 3k more dmg if you somehow get a 70k crit lol

[quaint cedar]

Yeah or even 10% probably wouldn't be overkill lol

[spring bough]

so i guess the only thing that will be somewhat noticeable is nightstalker fix

[quaint cedar]

I'm most excited about nightstalker change

[jolly sierra]

i wanna read the forums

[quaint cedar]

Yeah should be noticeable on dance

[spring bough]

eh if you factor in 8% more dmg for a 70k dispatch and then do the 5% inc ontop of that, thats about 9k more dmg right there

[quaint cedar]

I really wish that the 4x crit damage didn't become a talent

For BtE

[spring bough]

maybe we will see some 80k dispatches in pvp that would be nice

[quaint cedar]

Would be

[ruby drift]

Imo the talent trees are trash

[quaint cedar]

We do have lots of smaller hits, can add up

[spring bough]

can outlaw trade sub for the 20sec CD reduction vanish talent pls

[ruby drift]

We spend 20-25 points to just have our baseline abilities and passives that we previously had

[tribal badger]

I mean thats always what the big talent trees were

[quaint cedar]

Well they did rogue dirty on that

Other classes had more stuff baseline

[tribal badger]

actually before the small trees they were like 2-3 "big" spec abilities and 50 "2% more crit chance" talents

[wary spire]

In that case will dreadblades be viable?

[tribal badger]

if u wanna play KiR build

dreadblades is actively a reduction in ur damage to press for HO builds

ur builders do more damage then ur finishers

[quaint cedar]

Problem with dreadblades is we already generate so many combo points that it seems unnecessary

[spring bough]

it would be good for KIR

[tribal badger]

yuh the CP gen is pretty low value and u dont wanna be pressing more finishers

KiR builds play dreadblades

[quaint cedar]

I guess we could try some KiR builds

I think we still need Audacity at least right? To keep find weakness up

[tribal badger]

absolutely yea

[quaint cedar]

And then you go down middle and right side

Guess you lose blade rush, that kinda sucks

You do double deeper strat?

[wary spire]

Nah kir sounds like a major pain in the arse.

[jolly sierra]

alright i had enough

EU homies come and help me

[quaint cedar]

That's what I always thought. There's so much cc in pvp. KiR would probably be frustrating

[wary spire]

"But mah favourite youtuber places assa in A tier they're fiiine!"

[jolly sierra]

"venruki said rog bad REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

[wary spire]

LITERALLY
BUBBLE

For how much do we expect bte now strike for btw?

[spring bough]

first game of day warrior LOS himself every single round till healer left in round 6 lol

i was like bro why the LOS and he whispers me "i have a higher rating on 10 characters than you do right now" lol

[jolly sierra]

classic noob answer

happens the same w a warrior at 1k yesterday

[spring bough]

i think is the MOP map with the giant building in the middle of the map. he LOS the sham all the way around it lol

[wary spire]

When your sense of self worth mainly derives from your wow pvp rating - that's a reasonable enough response!

I mean he didn't even mentioned your close relatives.

[spring bough]

he logged out before i could respond lol

[wary spire]

Must've been late on a date.

[spring bough]

guess he went to one of his other 10 characters w the higher ratings lol

[wary spire]

Or that.

[spring bough]

knowing my luck asking him why did he LOS i probably got reported for abusive language again cant wait for this email LOL

[jaunty osprey]

holy fuck

havent queued in months

just pushed in r1 shuffle range for sin

god bless

[potent pivot]

[wary spire]

How'd you like it?

[potent pivot]

they also buffed Fury warr

[wary spire]

I was kinda nervous when i saw "Arms" and "increased"

[spring bough]

yeah warrior gets the flat dmg buff but rogues dont

love it