im just screwing around w outlaw talents. took all the BF ones. 36k flurry hit for a kill love to see it
#pvp
spring bough
jolly sierra
can be funny but if is a wizard match as expected for s2
will hurt to try to cleave
spring bough
no greenskin, 1/2 CTO, and 2/2 BF talents and 4-2 not too shabby but still not even cracking top damage lol
jolly sierra
F
shut viper
Shiv will be 25% in 10.1?
spring bough
currently in a game with 2 preso healers and every round one of them dies lol
jolly sierra
Shiv will be 25% in 10.1?
my bad is a 30%
forgot how many nerfs it had so i lost the exact amount
lavish abyss
anybody know why i would be getting a 2 embellishment error when i try to put on indemnity footwraps? i have on lariat and cowl, taking off the food embelli when i try to put it on
tribal badger
food embelli isnt part of the embelli limit
u can only have 2 dps embellishments on
indeminity counts
cowl and neck are
lavish abyss
ah, i thought it was lariat that didnt count, but its the food
thanks
cowl prob the better drop?
jolly sierra
yeah drop the cowl
shut viper
my bad is a 30%
I haven’t played pvp in 1.5 months but last time I played it was 30 same as sharpen
jolly sierra
wasn't sharpen a 50%?
tribal badger
sharpen is 50% ya
surreal barn
Sharpen in a long match meta will be scary af
tribal badger
ya i mean warrior has burst and just overall pressure
high damage + best MS in the game
seems like a good meta for it
surreal barn
Warrs should have to choose between sharpen and ignore pain lol
tribal badger
oh did they remember to nerf impending victory or did warriors get tankier next patch also
shut viper
sharpen is 50% ya
Sharpen was nerfed to 35, then shiv was nerfed to 35 and then both were nerfed to 30
As far as I remember
tribal badger
uh
i dont believe thats the case?
says 50%
on sharpen tooltip
it has no pvp mods (why would it have a pvp mod its a pvp talent?)
shut viper
I might be wrong, but I remember warrior from my rbg team was crying about sharpen being nerfed
shut viper
Nah, literally 2 months ago, but maybe he misunderstood something or so
I believed him and didn’t check myself 😂🤦♂️
tribal badger
ya idk
i dont see any sharpen blade nerfs
and it would be weird for it to have a hidden pvp mod considering its a pvp talent
feels like they would just change the talent tooltip
shut viper
I remember when he was crying I told him what can assa say, shiv 30% and wound is 24-25%
jolly sierra
like w hemo
jolly sierra
yeah, perhaps
shut viper
Or maybe he misunderstood something, trusted wrong streamer 😂
jolly sierra
yep
tribal badger
ya idk i remember some warrior tankiness nerfs early in the season but like
arms is a bit of a meme becaue its been S tier entire season
but never "broken"
shut viper
No cap, I feel like going smoke, disarm/manuv and cloak wall might be better play than going for shiv
tribal badger
just very good, and hasnt seen basically any nerfs
its been sitting as like 10% of the entire soloq ladder the whole season
ok disc 1800 grind today 👏
get my warrior to 2200 and take a break from these 30m queues
shut viper
but never "broken"
What you mean never broken? What about 200k ms from unhinged proc, on top of 40k colossus smash, 90k spear followed by 120k execute? 😂
tribal badger
well when i look at broken things i think like
feral early, dk tankiness early, ret paladin post rework
arms is like, just under the power level of those specs pre nerf
which is why it hasnt been nerfed all season
just sitting pretty being an extremely strong spec
the only nerfs it really saw was the big spear nerf
and every warrior just immediatly swapped bleed build
and started doing the same damage again
shut viper
Dh pre nerfs too, yeah not that kind of level, but still one shot macro for the win
tribal badger
it was funny
tribal badger
warrior utility is a lot of fun to use at least
shut viper
Ngl id rather get outplayed by rmp than die to any broken combination of feral, dk, dh, ret, war
shut viper
Even when you cc their cds, they still have enough uptime on it to have enough pressure to at least force few defensives or if played well killed through defensives
shut viper
Even when you cc their cds, they still have enough uptime on it to have enough p...
I mean early season ofc, can’t relate now, haven’t played arenas for a while
frozen falcon
how as a rogue do you counter alter time, if possible. normally I play hunter so i can just dispel it.
quaint cedar
no greenskin, 1/2 CTO, and 2/2 BF talents and 4-2 not too shabby but still not e...
I could really see a build like that working well in shuffle next season when we get the stamina buff
just embrace the zug life
what exactly is that build btw? you'd have to give up more than just greenskin to get the two BF talents + 1/2 CTO
jolly sierra
how as a rogue do you counter alter time, if possible. normally I play hunter so...
going to the pillar
ruby drift
how as a rogue do you counter alter time, if possible. normally I play hunter so...
Get your priest to purge it lol
jolly sierra
but tbh is really alter time the most dangerous thing from mage?
spring bough
went over to my unholy DK. doing 30k dps 2nd after that is doing 18k lol
tribal badger
i started playing rend on thunderclap in same games where they stack and lord the damage feels so good
@jolly sierra
i hadnt been playing it before
rend second highest damage doing 50k dps
ruby drift
but tbh is really alter time the most dangerous thing from mage?
It’s def pretty solid
But idk about most dangerous
jolly sierra
i started playing rend on thunderclap in same games where they stack and lord th...
i almost always forgot rend tbh
tribal badger
its very nice esp if u know ur gunna get kited
jolly sierra
bad manners
ruby drift
Tbh two blocks that full heal is much worse to worry about
tribal badger
lets u keep some pressure up
hilarious how this rando bleed talent does as much damage as sin bleeds
been running it anytime i dont need wrecking/shattering or vs heavy disarm teams
cause u can thunder clap when disarmed
ruby drift
Somehow feral Druid is more of a sin rogue then sin rogue
tribal badger
keep rend up on the entire team
ruby drift
Skull splitter needs to get deleted from the game
tribal badger
havent tried splitter build yet tbh sounds decent vs teams that kite out alot for the real big bleed burst
id need to set it up
ruby drift
Dk how warrior of all classes gets a bleed squish of that magnitude
Skull splitter is huge . Honestly very worth
Exsanguinate =3m
Skull splitter 21s
vocal surge
havent tried splitter build yet tbh sounds decent vs teams that kite out alot fo...
Skullsplitter hits like a truck during CDs
about 30% of someone's HP
Especially if you stack the bleeds
Fresh Rend and Deep Wounds w. Dragon Roar
Skullsplitter
thinking about dropping the 30s CD reduction on Dragon Roar for something else
jolly sierra
i know is good, but i need to get used by myself like w assa
what about making WA w garrote icon to get used? lol
vocal surge
lol
jolly sierra
dunno what to chose tbh
maybe commanding shout talent to raise more HP
for 5%
so u have 20%+ hp commanding shout every round
vocal surge
maybe
spring bough
this unholy DK stuff is a hell of a lot of fun. pets doing top damage lol. just going insane on damage
ruby drift
Dk stonks going up in hopes it will bring lock stonks down lol
spring bough
i got to 1500 in under a day gonna keep going just hit a 6-0 lol
tribal badger
"wheres our healing buffs" ~ dks on the forums
they didnt receive healing nerfs
i dont think they realize that means they got buffed
any % hp heal that didnt get nerfed got buffed by the stamina change
spring bough
i literally just stand in the middle of the map and smash buttons. if im low death strike and its like instant full HP
tribal badger
people r silly
spring bough
i think ima just que unholy rest of my day and leave my rogue at 2100 lol
at this rate DK hitting 2400 before the rogue is today
still cant decide between abom limb and soul reaper. i know the utility of abom but with soul its such a huge ST dps increase lol
tribal badger
cant soul be dispelled
plus having them end up under the hp threshold as it ends is pretty hard to pull off
def dont think soul reapers that good in pvp
spring bough
that answers that lol
halcyon timber
they didnt receive healing nerfs
Also death strike new talent makes them take 20% less damage for 4 sec or something like that (physical dr) in the patch.
spring bough
that DK daamage is popping off
lone goblet
Finally got to 1800 today for the transmog set. It actually only took about 20 SS games. Sadly that represents over 6 hours in queue with these awful times. 😮💨
Every game had a ret paladin.
jolly sierra
gratz
hope i can have too much rets like u w my alt warr to spam shatt throws
just got rangeds
lone goblet
Dude I celebrated every time I saw a ranged lol
Most of the time it was ret, arms, and then a wildcard
The 4 melee games were the worst
ruby drift
I mostly play heals but my dps alts have always been rogue/mage/hunter
Fuck I applaud yall for putting up with the dps queues
Im lucky to do 2-4 ss games as a dps every week
Just can't stand the queues but wanna play my alts so bad 😦
jolly sierra
get farming professions and gather while u wait
tribal badger
😴
give me queues plis
i beg of you game
3 good lobbies away from being done with elite appearences for the season
fringe ether
minor cape
my friend who is 2100 in rbg told me about it once, he said people play sub in maps with capture the flag
and where there is mostly teamfights they switch to assas
but i rarely rbg and only on sub, so cant tell for sure
graceful ravine
rbgs is all about who can bring the most ret pallies
hollow sundial
rbgs is all about who can bring the most ret pallies
pale storm
Yeah, usually sub to sit bases since you have a lot to stop people trying to cap and to ninja in sun toolkit. In flag maps or team fight maps if you have 2 rogues you can run a sub and an assa, assa is big dam in team fights, AoE Shiv, the AoE garrotte/rupture, pretty wild.
graceful ravine
Are they reducing flag cap timer now that sap is 5 seconds
Otherwise rip rogues in rbgs
surreal barn
Doubt it
chrome schooner
Sap will be 6s
graceful ravine
is that enough to cap the flag?
wanton breach
I'm bored of playing ret or warrior
atomic loom
is that enough to cap the flag?
Sap is 6 seconds and It takes 6 seconds to cap a flag. So you’d have to start the cap immediately
fading blade
so basically you wont be able to ninja cap really
most likely stuck base sitting forever
unless youre gonna 2man cap
graceful ravine
ya that’s not really enough time and most skilled rbgers not gonna sit on the cap for you to sap
jolly sierra
it can be possible w two persons tho
maybe a drood and a rog or 2 rogs, but no way with just 1
so maybe our role will only defending
surreal barn
Two is how it will go down. Should make shroud of concealment avail in rbgs though
Would be a wild ride taking the whole team to a base lol
leaden schooner
In Solo Shuffle, is there a way to see my arena ally's target? Maybe if I set them to focus? I'm using Gladius if that helps.
jolly sierra
toptarget addon
spring bough
sin rogue and outlaw rogue at 2200 beating a DH war dps team is an awesome feeling lol
magic arch
Anyone find a way to burst as outlaw? Xd
spring bough
press buttons harder lol
the more you spam ambush the more you can squeak some out from dance
spring bough
i think the max ive got off subterfuge is three. even spam ambush at max cps to get more in for those double taps lol
i also macro'd the ferocity trinket to shadow dance since they are both on a minute CD
magic arch
Aight
Gonna try solo tonight
Haven’t played since sl so ye
Changes are cool just seems a little weak
spring bough
its rough without atleast 1/2 CTO it feels like. RTB buffs are so big for OL and having more just helps all it can. i keep going back and forth with greenskin too. feel like i have a lil more "burst" with it
magic arch
Ye I noticed that too
The middle tree could help
And the dispatch talent could have been good
But most I got was 44kish dispatch
And ambush hits for that so ye
spring bough
i was also trying loaded dice over float like a butterfly but found having evasion up more often is a hell of a lot better
lone goblet
So now that I've hit my rating goal for the season I was thinking why not farm for the mount.
Immediately I realize that lost matches don't give credit for the season mount (or saddles)
Which brings up the idea, wouldnt it be better to lower my rating to a point where I can guarantee I won't lose any matches?
going 3-3 gives credit and typically doesnt increase rating
So tank down to 1200 and then make sure to 3-3 every round.
Is there a flaw to this thinking?
and if not... who the hell designed this system.
Seems bad
jolly sierra
your best bet is to try with another specs at 0 cr
lone goblet
Yeah I was going to do it on a healer probably to skip the queue
but the logic remains the same.
always go 3-3, never try to win 4
because that will just make it harder to go 3-3 later
lone goblet
They really should give credit for losses. At least half credit
So as not to incentivize people to lose games.
jolly sierra
nah, better just try to play as usual
lone goblet
I don't like when systems like this are designed, and the first thing i think is "wouldnt it be better to lose games for this goal?"
jolly sierra
then if u lose then fine you lost the cr and will be easier
lone goblet
Not at all, playing as usual you will win 1/2 of your games (once your get to true MMR)
jolly sierra
or 3 casually as usual, then u become hardstuck w progress
jolly sierra
you mentality is to intentionally drop because you feel unable to do that
that can be an offense for a ban i you got catched
if you try to drop rounds in the way of leaving then you eat a stackable deserter
lone goblet
Yeah and you give a good point, start over fresh so I don't have to ever drop.
but can it be bannable if I just stop trying to climb? lol
jolly sierra
yeah
cuz u are sabotaging ur comps
they don't wanna lose like you to become hardstuck for mount progress
think in that way
can understand your idea, but can't agree with your execution
imo u should keep going and then drop cr naturally or keep raising without thinking in progress
then u can get the mount without noticing
the other thing you can do is if you have an alt is try to get the progress with that
cuz the progress is account wide, i recalled getting a saddle with my fresh warrior after few rankeds
jolly sierra
HAHAHAHAHAHA
hasty holly
i don’t envy shadow priest for this next season
they stripped so many instant casts idk how it’s going to function in arena play at all
wary spire
The rework sounds like the opposite of ret's
hasty holly
the class fantasy of living in the void gutters of pvp meta
wary spire
And sub's is being subpar?
hasty holly
and outlaw is being outlawed from the meta
and assassination’s is being ass
outlaw was strong during sl so now it has to be weak ad infinitum
sadge
sharp sierra
new assassination rouge. how is pvp burst?
final vessel
Dispellable
wanton breach
won't you just be able to just cloak it off with the new talent as well in addition to dwarf/evoker/survival/bop/bubble/block dispell? 
sharp sierra
Got tired of Shadow Priest and wanted to try rouge for pvp
shut viper
Dispellable
Couldn’t say it better myself
sharp sierra
Just wanted to know if assassination was worth it before I put out money to gear up
shut viper
As assa you have a meme cooldown, this cooldown is kind of mindgames. You press it, and it can be dispelled, dwarfed. So either you press is and hope they choke and trinket with no dispel available, or you hold and hope they choke by not pressing anything just in case to have it available for your vendetta
Even in awc games there were some matchups where assa rouge haven’t press vendetta the whole game
But if they choke, catch them with no dispel, it’s super deadly and most likely kill
sharp sierra
Thank you
long shore
hey guys, does deathmark wound poison effect stack on the same target? which means 48% healing reduction with DM active?
shut viper
hey guys, does deathmark wound poison effect stack on the same target? which mea...
Nope, it was bugged for first week or so but no.
Also shiv override wound poison
long shore
ahhh okay thanks for clarifying!
i thought 48% healingh reduction for 16seconds is too OP
shut viper
I mean sharpen is 50 for 12sec? But yeah it was broken
Also there was a bug when shiv was 35% that it stacked with the doubled wound poison during vendetta
So it was 35+24
On top of -18% haste
But ppl blamed kidney being too op not knowing they die to bugged shiv not kidney itself. So now instead of getting shiv fixed we have shiv fixed and cc nerfed. 🤦♂️
spring bough
so had bad back to back games lost a decent amount of rating. get into a lobby. healer decides to throw every game and not move. go 3-3 and lose 50 rating LOL
vocal surge
Ooof
wanton breach
why don't russians have their own pool of players...
worst fucking communication (or rather lack thereof) of all players in "europe"
jolly sierra
god -50 for a 3-3 is losing a lot OOF
wary spire
How can you fail at communication that consists of 50% "go hunt" and 50% shittalk? 
Ah yeah forgot rbgs exists.
Well so did blizz...
minor cape
why don't russians have their own pool of players...
as a russian speaking guy, always thought about it, like you dudes just randomly have people with weird ass cyrilic names
and you cant read them, and then they might also speak russian
between eachother
and you are prolly sitting there like "wtf did he say"
i play on non russian server tho cause they didnt let me name my character the way i wanted for bad language, yet there are constanly people on russian servers named "Cocktits" or smth like that 
jolly sierra
u are the second active russian from recent time which decided to talk here
surreal barn
so had bad back to back games lost a decent amount of rating. get into a lobby. ...
This was me Friday afternoon. A double 0-6 😂 - if the stars don’t align on your go some lobbies just feel impossible
minor cape
u are the second active russian from recent time which decided to talk here
who was the first one
i remember one guy but he is long time not active
stiff mesa
can you test tier set in pvp on the ptr?
jolly sierra
i remember one guy but he is long time not active
the guy we had here which got character development in end shadowlands, was active for a lot of time here F
you are the only active currently tho
minor cape
F
maybe discord is banned in russia idk
not from russia myself
im pretty sure it is banned
tho
wanton breach
and you cant read them, and then they might also speak russian
most often it's the lack of speaking or understanding english as a common language
jolly sierra
for ukarine tho, corps are punishing a lot
atomic loom
I play rogue my buddy plays mage, how do I get him to understand how tough it is for sub/assa right now because he keeps telling me frost is way worse and rogue is fine as I play 3s and struggle to survive for more than 1.5-2 minutes
jolly sierra
which spec is him rn?
fire? tell him frost burst is a lot longer than fire one and he can fuck melees more compared to the other spec
clever blaze
delete your rogue, that should show him 
atomic loom
Sorry yeah he only plays frost
jolly sierra
and tell him u are crap cuz u got nerfed a lot recently and didnt compensated ur survivality
ah he is fine
dont make him change
atomic loom
He won’t change, but I keep bringing up how rough it is for rogues currently and he says I’m overreacting but the second I get touched by another class I have to vanish or use my evasion/cloak and then I’m screwed for the next 2 minutes
He compared deathmark and my bleeds getting removed to his glacial spike being shadowmelded or kicked lol
jolly sierra
show him AWC clips from here with akrololz dying in a leg sweep and another one from a guy dying into an axe toss
and tell him that is normal in regular arena
cuz ur survivality tools are unchanged alongside ur shitty dmg which is not enough to keep pressure
surreal barn
Buy him a rogue boost to know the pain
atomic loom
Yeah he watched those happen live, doesn’t think it’s a rogue issue
I think he’s just in the mindset like a lot of people who don’t play rogues that they’re always going to be S tier
long shore
Which are the classes that give rogues a hard time usually? Warriors / BM Hunters / Demo locks?
atomic loom
Warriors, hunters, demo, rets, Dh are tough for me usually too
wary spire
maybe discord is banned in russia idk
Nope.
jolly sierra
I think he’s just in the mindset like a lot of people who don’t play rogues that...
NPC minded
wary spire
Twitter and Instagram is. And I think they're trying to ban YouTube right now?..
jolly sierra
if he refuses to realize just leave, is better if it difficult ur performance
wanton breach
show him AWC clips from here with akrololz dying in a leg sweep and another one ...
AWC shortly after these huge imbalances in world of retcraft was quite the joke on its own
jolly sierra
BM/demo/surv/ww if is comp with a zugzug partner
jolly sierra
AWC shortly after these huge imbalances in world of retcraft was quite the joke ...
where are our survivality buffs
atomic loom
where are our survivality buffs
narrow tangle
hello is rogue ded?
jolly sierra
soothing darkness nerf turns it to 0
atomic loom
soothing darkness nerf turns it to 0
I didn’t know that lol
wanton breach
soothing darkness nerf turns it to 0
wanton breach
where are our survivality buffs
best blizz can do is cc nerfs, healing nerfs and damage output nerfs
jolly sierra
yeah reduce our base stamina to 50% so we can be more playable
jolly sierra
eksdee
wanton breach
since it didnt get nerfed
YET
jolly sierra
WHERE IS OUR - 90% HEALING FROM HEMO AS COMPENSATION
spring bough
they should give us soothing darkness without any pvp reductions. that would be hot
and if they never fixed nightstalker not giving us the 8% dmg they should fix that too lol
minor cape
and if they never fixed nightstalker not giving us the 8% dmg they should fix th...
they did not
and they said they dont want to make it work
jolly sierra
they said rog sucks cock and deserves hell
minor cape
well nahj is playing assa i think
but its pretty bad
he is pressing a shit ton of buttons and nothing happens damage wise
lone goblet
I just started playing my monk, why do they get cloak of shadows on a lower cooldown that also returns all your debuffs to the person who cast them. what the hell is this.
minor cape
they are different classes cmon
lone goblet
Maybe it's best just not to play other classes so I don't feel disappointed by what I'm missing on rogue lol
wary spire
and they said they dont want to make it work
Wait for real?
minor cape
yes
wary spire
minor cape
because they thought sub already did a shit ton of dam in dance
or smth
so they would have to tweak other shit
and they decided its not worth it
pale storm
Give us 2 talent points that actuallly do something
wary spire
"Your fat ass eats too much grease as is so the fact that we sold you a bacon sandwich that doesn't have bacon in it is good actually"
This is so fucked up I'm kinda impressed!
jolly sierra
do u have the sauce for that neglecting w nightstalker?
spring bough
havent seen anything saying they are RIP
halcyon timber
do u have the sauce for that neglecting w nightstalker?
Was a while ago when our boy was in here. Partially a coding problem I believe he said , then it was a if rogues fall behind they will look at it more if necessary. Id gladly just take serrated blades 9% armor ignore or a flat backstab / mut / sin strike node
Like opportunity did back in the day i think it was or puncturing wounds cant remember
jolly sierra
Was a while ago when our boy was in here. Partially a coding problem I believe h...
yeah i need the website, can't believe something like that while we are in the shit
potent pivot
trying to transmog my rouge and it wont let me mog a fist wep?
You have to be wielding swords to do that
clever blaze
oh ya are they fixing nightstalker in 10.1?
don't think so and you shouldn't expect it
just accept that every rogue build has 2 dead talent points 
hidden dome
Solo Shuffle as an Outlaw just make me want to sell my pvp gear for the gold. Outlaw had plenty of seasons were he wasn't very good, but never anything as soul crushing as this season
idle root
Solo Shuffle as an Outlaw just make me want to sell my pvp gear for the gold. Ou...
ive found rogue to be pretty rough in SS for all specs tbh
you're always the kill target
shit defensives
hidden dome
Ye
clever blaze
it was happy days until a short while before the ret rework.
hidden dome
But also no damage. Rets and Arms often deal 50-60% more damage than me
idle root
sub damage is actually dogshit ass
clever blaze
after that back to back nerfs plus other specs all getting buffed just totally killed us
hidden dome
And Solo Shuffle is just "zug zug" until someone is dead most games
idle root
cheap shot bot and that's it
hidden dome
I literally need to set up perfect cc or a perfect smoke to get kills
a warrior just has to press his buttons really hard
idle root
rogue requires more coordinated play, and you cant have that in ss
so zug zug wins more often
hidden dome
I hate burst metas so much. I love slow metas where good cc and mana management wins. But blizzard hates that
And with how next season looks I might just stop playing arena
hidden dome
They nerfed most cc
and the trinket change makes it feel even more zug zug than this season
All my arena buddies have started playing hardcore classic since they got fed up with retail pvp
those guys were grinding arenas almost every day since legion and this season made them play fucking classic pve
And every single solo shuffle game I can understand them a bit more
unborn portal
hidden dome
Also a fun thing.
It took my 2.6k xp friend more solo shuffle games to get 1.8 with his rogue than it took my 0 xp friend with his DH.
gleaming pawn
It could be worse, you could be trying to get 1.8k on a healer
hidden dome
At least then I would actually find games and not wait 30 minutes for a game with 2 rets and an arms
But yeah, I'm glad I got the elite set on my priest through the bug and never had to play a single arena match with them
idle root
It could be worse, you could be trying to get 1.8k on a healer
resto druid is actually depressing
gleaming pawn
the amount of morons that run LoS, don't pop defensives, can't dps, can't stop CC, is infuriating. There is a mountain of shit stacked against healers in SS, it's a legitimately awful and unfun game mode and there is significantly more out of your control than when playing as DPS
idle root
i got 1800 on disc and rshaman for the mogs, the amount of ppl that chase the enemy behind a pillar and get cc'd while i get cc'd in china and we lose is insane in that rating
lone goblet
This is why you play fistweaver. You will be right there chasing behind the pillar with them!
jolly sierra
my road with warrior is still positive in the games i can have barely a day
just + difference
tomorrow will try to go forward with my day off
waxen meteor
level up is so easy and quick
i did an alliance character and think i could just unlock alliance races when leveling up
by finishing first map at bfa i am at lv48
jolly sierra
damn high af
wanton breach
i got 1800 on disc and rshaman for the mogs, the amount of ppl that chase the en...
i know that all too well
"just follow me"
at least queue times are fast so you get way more idiots per hour - very rage inducing
idle root
at least queue times are fast so you get way more idiots per hour - very rage in...
instant queues are addicting
playing healer is not
the duality
jolly sierra
i'm still keeping an eye on this guy, its pvp multiplier is intact
if it stays like this, is safe to say this will be the bfa pvp auto lifesaver trinket 2.0
fierce crystal
Does some1 know how/ if solo shuffle rewards change if I faction change?
For example for "normal" pvp u need x wins etc
wanton breach
i'm still keeping an eye on this guy, its pvp multiplier is intact
i heard that we will be able to apply pvp ilvl upgrades to items - not sure if that is only crafted items or general items
copper maple
the amount of morons that run LoS, don't pop defensives, can't dps, can't stop C...
I've got 1800 on a healer alt before getting it on rogue. The amount of games played was similar though, the time spent wasn't.
I would say the rogue experience was more miserable past ret rework
Fast queues can be fun, but you end up just playing arena nonstop. On dps you can have some chill in the open world while queueing.
proper stream
I got 1800 on rogue today and tell you what - Every lobby had a ret or two lmao I wanted to pull my hair out some games as it was just train the rogue
copper maple
1 hour chill isn't chill
Well yeah. Shame there's not middle ground.
I recently remembered people complaining about dps queue times in Overwatch. But they weren't as outrageously long as we have in soloq now. 10 min at best.
wary spire
Well, tbh overwatch is a pvp-only game. In wow pvp is treated the same as pet battling.
vale basalt
what rating is that elite/legend for solo shuffle?
waxen meteor
what rating is that elite/legend for solo shuffle?
2400
vale basalt
thanks
wary spire
do we have some tuning this week
I wish, but I won't hold my breath. Exiting a tuning stage with a lot of new untested tuning... How often does that happen actually?
surreal barn
They will throw a pvp wild card right before 10.1 drops. Which class gets it will be a mystery
untold remnant
They will throw a pvp wild card right before 10.1 drops. Which class gets it wil...
It will be rogues!
surreal barn
It will be rogues!
For better or worse 
exotic dove
i'm still keeping an eye on this guy, its pvp multiplier is intact
Not entirely sure I like the idea of this coming back
I didn't have that trinket in BFA and fighting others with it was frustrating to me. I still achieved higher than my rating goals but it made the games unnecessarily longer
minor cape
It will be rogues!
-Stealth removed
-Backstab replaced with Frontstab
-All movement except for backpedal removed during shadow dance
-Cheap shot now has a 10 second cooldown
-Kidney shot is now dispellable
-Blind now shares DR with Kidney Shot and Cheap Shot
-Cold blood now has a 50% chance to be triggered
-All damage increased by 5%
Subtelty:
-Secret technique no longer will work with Cold Blood
We saw rogue underperfoming in terms of damage in pvp, these changes are aimed at increasing rogues damage
jolly sierra
Not entirely sure I like the idea of this coming back
was a very good trinket for survivality in squishy classes, like us, if we get buffs and this with little to no nerfs then i'll use this as the next embelishment
agile leaf
how i win 5 rounds and only get 56 pts... stuck at 500 mmr cant upgrade my conquest gear
tribal badger
cause ur mmr is similar to the match mmr
agile leaf
i just have to grind it out to 1k?
tribal badger
yes
usually ur mmr is much higher then that rating (idk what most people start at my alts usually start at like 1400 tho)
ur rating gain is based on matches won and the difference between mmr and cr, idk all the calculations
but the reason u didnt get alot of rating is that
jolly sierra
u dropped a lot
last time i won like 50 cr with a 3-3 cuz mmr
was playing like 100 points ahead
agile leaf
u dropped a lot
lol hey there yeah i lost a few hundered in a day and got stuck at 500-600
lavish idol
Just saw sin rogue do about 5m dmg in opening fight of Kotmogu - how?
jolly sierra
lol hey there yeah i lost a few hundered in a day and got stuck at 500-600
yeah, that is the problem, when ur mmr is aligned with your CR then u won almost no cr, if your mmr is behind your CR then u are likely to drop a lot if you lose or mostly won 0 cr
agile leaf
oh, i didnt know about that
jolly sierra
if you won 56 then is ok, cuz you are now with positive gaining, so next time if you won for example 4 you are likely to win 40-60 CR
there are a video w venruki explaining that, even if he is obnoxious af about rogues explains well the logic behind matchmaking score
spring bough
They need to rework that whole rating and matchmaking rating system lol
agile leaf
idk if i should be saying that, but damn i always gotta turn him down
spring bough
Had two bad back to back solos went 1-5 then finally went 3-3 and still lost 50 rating lol. Then went 4-2 yesterday at one point and only got 5 rating
tribal badger
iim just waiting for a nice Winstreak to bring me to 2400 on warr
who wants to grind out 4/2 3/3 40 rating games
when u could just +100 all the way up and be done
spring bough
Currently sitting at 2240 after hitting 2345 yesterday. Hoping to get home and rip off a few 4-2s and finally hit that elite
jolly sierra
idk if i should be saying that, but damn i always gotta turn him down
i don't like him teaching, but he is extremely good playing, he is like the guts guy of r1
but yeah, is mostly an entertainer, maybe is for that
i wanna play my warr again, but im doing crappy dailies
i'll finish and queue asap
spring bough
I like listening to his commentary as he calls out moves. He just sees everything happening. Don’t understand how he does it lol
tribal badger
i dont have long to play today so i'll probably try to finish blasting out 70 on my hunter and send it boxes
gotta grind out 2 1800s next week
spring bough
Some of the things pika does seems superhuman lol
jolly sierra
he literal says everything he is doing in his matches
tribal badger
ya i love watching pikas 2s with randoms because he live narrates legit everything hes doing
jolly sierra
even when an addon bug warning appears on screen lol
tribal badger
its so wild
jolly sierra
says something like "addons issue"
tribal badger
probably one of my favorite streamers to watch for how to actually play and climb rating
just because he always says exactly what hes doing in real time
jolly sierra
tbh i've learn a lot with his solo shuffle teaching, cuz matches his playstyle, so is more xp than theory
wary spire
Some of the things pika does seems superhuman lol
Ye. I'm not a fun of his hyper energetic persona but guy's a god when it comes to pvp.
jolly sierra
w everything zugzugging
tribal badger
tbh nahj didnt used to be like that but ive been watching him some more recently
spring bough
The switches he does and the CC is what I aspire to do lmao
jolly sierra
when he showed a footage from 2k2 w a rog asking for advice rlly learned a lot
spring bough
PShero is fun to watch he narrates too
tribal badger
yuh i watch pshero early mornings his streams r cozy
jolly sierra
was he "BRUH JUST GO TO THEIR HEALER AND KEEP SAP W BLIND AND U WILL GET FREE CR FOR REAL"
and was disgustingly true
spring bough
Chilling in the kitchen vibing playing wow 😂
spring bough
It made me feel better about my solo rating when I saw Pshero get smoked in a few rounds after the ret changes
spring bough
The real OG was Grimm. Wish he played retail. Dude was a god to me 15 years ago watching his vanilla wow pvp
tribal badger
i mean did u guys see that post on worldofpvp reddit taking soloq stats and graphing them
and every chart of dps vs win rate, playrate vs winrate etc
had ret in the top right (highest win rate, highest damage)
and sub at the bottom left
jolly sierra
im very dumb checking those 4 axis charts tbh
tribal badger
jolly sierra
yeah those ones
tribal badger
its only 2 axis
jolly sierra
nvm
jolly sierra
yeah also explain it in corners
but when it doesn't agh
imagine, i have an universitary degree and don't know how to read it most of time lol
jolly sierra
so relatable
tribal badger
ret rework was a gud one guys
spring bough
Outlaw is an outlier let’s go baby minimal damage and more wins 😂
I’m gonna send those graphs to people when they talk smack about outlaw lol
jolly sierra
sure lol
spring bough
Our damage might be crap but we win just over 50% of the time 😂
magic mason
Hi ! What is your preference in spe for solo shuffle & 2v2 ? Thank 🙂
pale storm
Just saw sin rogue do about 5m dmg in opening fight of Kotmogu - how?
probably running the AoE RBG spec with arterial precision, indiscriminate carnage - get zerker, go team fight, shiv for aoe shiv + increased bleed dam, pop carnage, garrotte for aoe silence + dot and then fan + rupture for aoe rupture - then fan + crimson tempest
agile leaf
see this sucks
spring bough
MMR was higher than the average that’s where it gets you. Prob had to win 4 on that to get a little more than even
pale storm
your mmr is above the average and you went 2-4 so you lose rating
lol wtf 3 rogues at 600mmr, what is going on down there
jolly sierra
too much rets and demos tho
agile leaf
is there a cap on conquest?
jolly sierra
nope
waxen meteor
pff i am going to reach lv60 before unlocking even 1 race
lyric onyx
1500-1700 CR in SS on a healer is officially hell
jolly sierra
and as dps, ppl will say something as target and then follow anything
then u lose the round
think i'll just follow toptarget now
don't care about ppl targeting anymore
spring bough
I don’t listen to anyone’s calls since I got top target. I just hit whatever the other DPS is on. And look for healer peels if possible
Had some dude last night both rounds “we are going for the ret” and then would go 100% other DPS and no one else every time
spring bough
The most frustrating is when you swap mist after bubble or disc after life swap and the other DPS doesn’t pay attention and you coulda won but end up losing. Those games get me so frustrated
jolly sierra
yeah
happens a lot
now we had an undergeared ret in a match
i say to go for him
the priest said "mAgE"
and we lose
surreal barn
If it’s a mage as partner I usually call it
They are good at swaps… usually
Otherwise ya toptarget is the real mvp
spring bough
in a 2200 lobby with a holy priest playing spirit healer
i almost shit a brick when he died went spirit and came back alive....
spring bough
"i love it cause its so troll" LOL
pale storm
You just bomb while they are up
spring bough
3-3 and 0 raating all cause we got caught off guard first round w this damn holy priest >.>
vocal surge
Ooof
jolly sierra
4-2 we got in a wizard lobby with a chicken which become pinata for everyone
and i was the one being fkn trained by all the casters as a war
so i used emblem
agile leaf
i was way under the average mm like 100 and 3-3 gets even rating, was expecting a little summin
pale storm
Were you on a losing streak before this?
tribal badger
could be worse
facing ele + rsham + lock
on blades edge
had a 1/5 game at 2300 to that
why even attempt to play
bottom floor pov
spring bough
enh shaman do too much dmg lol. other day i was like 50% got hit twice by one and instant dead
100k + crits from two diff abilities lol
agile leaf
one last one, this dude got 84 rating because hes rating is well over the average mm?
tribal badger
might be winstreaking
jolly sierra
sounds like a streak, yeah
finished 1-5 with that fkn lobby
remove blade edge's once per all
graceful ravine
prob the last time im maining rogue
thinking of warrior for s2
and live the zug zug life
infinite defensives
0 stress
jolly sierra
what if rog gets buffed again?
fading blade
How much of a pain was it?
vocal surge
Ooof
fading blade
Prob would be easier to get glad as ret
vocal surge
Glad I got more classes at max lvl other than Rogue
Got War, Pal, soon to be DK, Hunter
prob gonna do a caster or monk
pale storm
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/225350051923230721/1100201976916082779/...
Grats! I’m 16/50, what rating you end up at?
graceful ravine
Grats! I’m 16/50, what rating you end up at?
youll 100% get it 🙂
jolly sierra
whats the best way to lvl from 1-50?
chromie timewalking then go to silverpine
graceful ravine
what lvl do i need to start timewalking
jolly sierra
quest and check the rares, will spawn 1 hour later i calculated for everyone
lvl 10
graceful ravine
tyty
jolly sierra
np
pale storm
Hit 2609 at 2.7 mmr and then just kept Qing into Bicmex r1 push, wizk, absterge, nessper etc lol and lost a few in a row
jolly sierra
checked by myself in my last lvl run
graceful ravine
How long u think 1-60 takes? @jolly sierra
Debating if I should just buy a boost
jolly sierra
How long u think 1-60 takes? <@239851547935113216>
entire afternoon
from 10-50
a couple of days more
god is good af to play w low cr in night
i got matches with higher my mmr
and win
jolly sierra
How long u think 1-60 takes? <@239851547935113216>
let me recall, u had advantage if u go w an ally race cuz they starts at lvl 10, go w chromie do draenor route w the entire intro, then u can go silverpine and do the entire questline, u have a lot of rares which respawns after an hour
my route was like this
went pandaren
did the entire intro till lvl 18
went ghostlands cuz i didn't had flying, so
did entire ghostlands and then went to silverpine at lvl 34
did entire silverpine with farming a lot the rares through flying while i was questing
finished silverpine at lvl 57, went to hillsbrad, did a little amount of quests
returned to silverpine 1 hour later, killed all rares again and almost went 60
everything with ten lands potions and herbo w mining
graceful ravine
That sounds like a lot of work
but I’ll be damned if blizz takes another $60 out of me..
jolly sierra
nah is not too hard
just boring, if you don't think and hit like a truck
you won't notice, just hear a podcast or something meanwhile
anyways, ur choice
potent pivot
That sounds like a lot of work
You can get it done in like ~6hrs prolly
tribal badger
ok priest moderatly pvp geared, hunter at 60
blast out 60-70 with timewalking tomorrow after reset and then double 1800s 👏
almost done with the season
waxen meteor
How long u think 1-60 takes? <@239851547935113216>
it's very quick
i just did an alliance character
and went bfa chain trying to unlock new races
first map (all missions cleared + dark iron dwarf mission) took me to lvel 58
jolly sierra
try using ten lands potions too
btw, downloaded warcraft recorder to check my replays
jolly sierra
lol
tribal badger
sp is very bloated yea
gained so many buttons that do so little more then what it did
jolly sierra
tbh i didnt expected to be bloated in buttons w warr
stray rivet
which rogue spec has the leasat amount of buttons for pvp?
tribal badger
tbh they all have alot
i think last i counted rotationally most rogue specs r pretty similar in the 10-12 button area
and pvp has even more buttons
stray rivet
i dont have mmo mouse idk this seems impossible
does anyone here have keybindings for sub only for the keyboard
waxen meteor
also the mining and herb gave a lot of exp
@graceful ravine check here this is really important
but obviously all can be done with 60 bucks
waxen meteor
can mean even a quarter of ur total leveling progress
in this way, probably should have go to tbc next week to level up
those mines sell like 2 trillions
jolly sierra
i dont have mmo mouse idk this seems impossible
me neither, but i had to do some stuff w my binds to make rooms
waxen meteor
but is slow af
yeah tbc missions are horrible
i don't know how i survived from there
every mission is like kill 200 creeps
btw, i am a bit bored playing SP
if it's not first alliance character i would probably already give up
graceful ravine
ty for the advice, zug zug brothers
jolly sierra
u welcome, rog pvp homie
stray rivet
me neither, but i had to do some stuff w my binds to make rooms
can i see ur entire list
of keybinds
mayeb i can be enlightened as to why people do it the way they do it
stray rivet
u use ur right hand as well?
jolly sierra
yeh
stray rivet
wat
da fuck
so u take ur hand off the mpouse
and press those buttons
this game is legit unplayable
jolly sierra
i use the arrow keys by instinct sometimes
stray rivet
cant say i ddint try to play this game
graceful ravine
you take your hand off the mouse mid-arena to press O and P?
thats fking wild LOL
P is your vanish
jolly sierra
you take your hand off the mouse mid-arena to press O and P?
yeah, i have strong reflexes irl
the thing is
my fingers are longer than average, at pianist level
sec
look
ruby drift
yea if ur nto genetically gifted dont play wow
Nah
Just use shift and control modifiers
ruby drift
Ehh its not that bad tbh
stray rivet
its pretty bad
its literally starcraft
starcraft died because its too complicated for new players
ruby drift
I disagree with that
stray rivet
what do you disagree with
stray rivet
league has been #1 on every chart since its inception
starcraft just dies
wow pvp is less than 0.00000000001 of the world
ruby drift
Starcraft has been around since 99 lol
ruby drift
Just RTS isn't a big genre anymore like it was
potent pivot
Most classes have somewhere in the range of 15-20 keybinds
It’s not that bad with modifiers like shift etc
You just have to get used to using them
Takes practice
Even using an mmo mouse takes practice and time to get used to
ruby drift
My sub rogue binds dont go farther then Y,G,V
stray rivet
my point is
ne wplayers should nt have to ever deal with 40 keybinds
otherwise its poorly deisnged
and will die soon
its shit
potent pivot
I disagree
potent pivot
While sometimes certain abilities can just feel like button bloat, it can allow for skill expression
ruby drift
If you aren't adept enough to [;ay the highest skill cap dps class, then their is many easier specs to play with much less binds
potent pivot
Even in League, you have to put in the time and effort to get good at the game
It may not be a keybind heavy game, but positional awareness and knowing where to auto the mobs etc. You don’t hit Diamond overnight, it’s the same thing in all games
ruby drift
^
stray rivet
i cant really debate
when u guys dont even compare the right things
gg
aint no fkin way
we're comparing positional knowledge
to the basics of teh game (keybinds)
naw
tawny kestrel
how can u compare a moba to an mmorpg
tawny kestrel
always baffles me when ppl come in here just to say their opinion and then disagree with everything everyone else says
ruby drift
Wrath rogue has the same amount of binds tbh
And the game was popping then
And it really hasn't changed
stray rivet
can promise u rn wow pvp population goes even lower in next years
noibody wants 2 learn 40 keybinds
tawny kestrel
then stay bad noob
ruby drift
Can promise you league pop goes lower in next years too?
stray rivet
fps market will never try to learn this moba market will never try to learn this no other genere besides mmo would do that
stray rivet
everyday ppl on twitter crying on how they cant find q in wow pvp wow i wonder why
:((
tawny kestrel
yeah tons of ppl quit cus they have to learn more than 5 keybinds
ruby drift
😂
tawny kestrel
on god
ruby drift
Tell me you never hit chall in league without telling me you never hit chall in league
stray rivet
i am right
ruby drift
Talking about queue times 😂
ruby drift
Yeah after 20-40m of queue
stray rivet
but people on twitter complain about 3s queue times all the time
nobody wants 2 play pvp
lol
ruby drift
Nah they dont but he says they do so
stray rivet
idk why ur like defending a dead genre so hard im not about 2 learn 40 kley boinds and then 40 keybinds for every other class sorry
!!
ruby drift
3s queue times are fine lol
gleaming pawn
that has nothing to do with keybinds, please just keep bitching because you can't keep up on rogue
tawny kestrel
could you link a tweet that complains about 3s queue times please
ruby drift
Then piss off man
Youre too brain dead to learn how to hit the left side of your keyboard
This game just isnt for you
stray rivet
HAHAHAHA
tawny kestrel
good response
stray rivet
wow players actually get mad when other people dont want to learn 40 keybinds on one class alone HAHAHAHAHA
thats so insane lol
i can promise u im better at league than u are at ur dead genre game sorry 😦
tawny kestrel
congratulations
can promise you nobody cares
the only thing you've achieved by typing here is telling everyone that you are too bad to play wow
which is fine
stray rivet
wow players get mad when 99.9999999 percent of population are not willing to learn their shitty designed pvp system omgg
dead game fr
tawny kestrel
no1 is mad dont worry
just seems very pointless to come into a wow discord and talk shit about wow after admitting you are bad at wow
stray rivet
i mean i did consider giving it a try and then i then weighed the outcome (having to learn the 40 other keybinds for 20 different specs) yea not doing that
its a really badly designed pvp system and its just going 2 be worse in the future nobody will ever invest their time into this lol
tawny kestrel
thats why they recommend leveling a character from 1 before boosting a high level
so you can learn stuff first
tawny kestrel
also, its easier to learn a new class if youre already decent/good at one class
theres a lot of similarities
gleaming pawn
who ever said you need to learn 20 other specs and their keybinds?
stray rivet
there is quite litearlly no reason to play this game when theres 20 different games 10x more competitive with 1/10th to learn lol
tawny kestrel
then dont 😛
stray rivet
pretty terrible tradeoff
tawny kestrel
no1 cares
not one singular person in the entire world cares if you play wow or not
gleaming pawn
and if you keybind by ability type, interrupt is always the same key, CC is the same key, etc, there's very little difference
stray rivet
i know considering 0.0000000001 of the planet even play it yea
i mean the numbers quite literally show how poorly its designed
stray rivet
y would i do that i dont care
tawny kestrel
seems like u care
stray rivet
nop
gleaming pawn
why did NoTrickz have to go to bed, just ban this clown and be done with it. 0 constructive things to say
stray rivet
everytime a wow player hears an opinion that isnt theirs they want2 ban
HAHAH
all good bro
its funny how a wow discord has a league channel but no league discord has a wow one 😦
just a bad gam
pce
jolly sierra
god this guy is like a wall
just whines and dismiss everything cuz cant git gud and just says a fkn game which should be dead 15 years ago is dying for real now lol
if it didn't died in wod, it won't now
vocal surge
is he complaining about 40 keybinds?
jolly sierra
don't be a manchild and grow up, life is not easy
yeah, just for keybinds
too much = lol no im leaving trash game kekw
jolly sierra
i got elite with my key style
vocal surge
Like 10 and thats pretty much it
tawny kestrel
there’s a mage who has gotten r1 just by clicking
jolly sierra
see
lone goblet
Dude has a point. The smaller a community the harder it is for a pvp system to match people properly.
and a shrinking community means that only the good players will stick with it, leaving no one for beginners to play against.
So they dont stick with it and the community keeps shrinking
And skill in this pvp system differentiates really fast.
vocal surge
Dont forget the time commitment to learn each class and spec
jolly sierra
tbh we are having a lot of participation rn with SS
the problem is the overhearing to most pvp pop
no matter how objective or pointless is
iron flicker
@stray rivet seems a little mad xD have not seen someone cry so much about being bad at a game in a long time.
jolly sierra
btw, i'm not getting legend for this season, just saw the pennant and damn, its just awful
wary spire
that has nothing to do with keybinds, please just keep bitching because you can'...
Tbh in a current state of zug I too can't keep up with it.
wary spire
I'm leveling a hunter through bgs and I like how op I am!
copper maple
This guy compares wow pvp to lol as if you don't need to learn abilities of like a hundred lol characters
wary spire
Turtle feels kinda bugged though. Like, attacks coming through it half a second after it's up
wintry dew
This guy compares wow pvp to lol as if you don't need to learn abilities of like...
What do you mean, mobas don't have 40+ keybinds per spec/class!!! Wow is literally unplayable
copper maple
163 champions with 4 buttons each is apparently more than 13 classes with 40 xD
For me coming back to league is a lot harder than coming back to wow. There're always at least 5 new champions with brand new abilities and mechanics (that get crazier with every modern champion). In wow the core class kits don't change drastically that often.
The biggest wow shakeup in abilities was probably legion.
tribal bay
and a *shrinking* community means that only the good players will stick with it,...
dont forget you also literally need to pay a monthly fee just to play the game
all successful pvp games are f2p
i can't imagine someone who's bad at wow sticking with it long enough to get good when they're forking out $15 a month to get shat on by people who have been playing every day for the last 10-15 years
when they can just log into lol for free and get the same experience
copper maple
I've had an idea for a while. Imagine if blizz cut pvp out of wow and make it a stand alone f2p game. Without leveling, gearing up, having to balance pvp and pve separately. Throw in the in game shop for cosmetics to actually make money.
I personally enjoy wow pvp, but don't spend much time on games these days to justify a monthly subscription spending (cost of which also increased a lot after certain events on early 2022).
ruby drift
I've had an idea for a while. Imagine if blizz cut pvp out of wow and make it a ...
We essentially have this minus the f2p and the balance
Which is why fotm rerollers are rampant
copper maple
You still have to invest a lot of time if you wanna try a new class (leveling and gearing). Removing those two would make it a better pvp experience.
Imagine if you had to level up your AK-47 skills and improving the gun's stats in CS, that wouldn't be fun.
ruby drift
You still have to invest a lot of time if you wanna try a new class (leveling an...
The leveling and gearing is the easiest it’s ever been tho
copper maple
I don't have a problem with rerollers. It's more about class balance.
ruby drift
It’s barely a hurdle anymore
copper maple
It is, but it still takes time. Wouldn't be fun if you spent hours of leveling and gearing up just to realise you don't actually enjoy that class at the endgame pvp.
I wouldn't care much at least 7 years ago, when I was a student. I don't play as much anymore.
I like wow pvp, but I also like games which you can just hop in and play.
ruby drift
Idk. I think that pvp “felt” better in the olden days for a number of reasons.
Being committed to your char/spec
Back when having a maxed alt was like a huge feat
And very rare
copper maple
It's fun if you're a kid with infinite free time
ruby drift
I know it mostly felt better cause we were all bad etc
copper maple
But even then I sometimes regret how I spent my free time as a kid.
copper maple
I think wow players are older than other popular games on average
ruby drift
Yeah that’s probably correct
copper maple
That's why it's moving in the direction it does
With quick and easy leveling, alt friendliness and stuff
ruby drift
I’m not saying it shouldn’t be easy to level or gear, it does come with its own can of worms though
Which we all experienced this patch
copper maple
The issue with rerollers isn't being easy to level.
surreal barn
What would you implement to encourage less FOTM hopping - other than proper balancing of course
ruby drift
What would you implement to encourage less FOTM hopping - other than proper bala...
Proper balancing lol
Tis the only way I think
copper maple
If you make a class absolutely broken, people will go out of their way to level it
ruby drift
Ofc
Even in wrath people did it when pallies where insane during togc
But a lot of specs still have many comp issues
Like enhance shaman for example
maiden quest
WoW is built, by design in a way that FOTM is pretty much mandatory to a certain point
ruby drift
They don’t fit in rbgs , and only have 1 comp to play