pvp

[tribal badger]

id be surprised if it doesnt considering honor gear is stronger then previous seasons conq gear this time around

which was not the case as far as i remember in slands

but nobody really knows they havent said

[jolly sierra]

they didn't nerfed aberrus cloak yet

if it stays like that will be a safe bis

[tribal badger]

ok two more pvp mogs to grind out before end of season

hunter and priest

😴

[jolly sierra]

zzzz

[tribal badger]

warrior is in 2100 shitqueuerange

so queus r back up to 30m+

[jolly sierra]

for me were 30m the longest and the average 15m

[tribal badger]

i sat in a 45m queue an hour ago then didnt realize id accidently queued for a bg as well

so just ran back to my pc and clicked accept queue

baited into a eye of the storm that was a 12 vs 15

[jolly sierra]

XD

[tribal badger]

just quit my warrior for the night

time for some ele queues

[jolly sierra]

happens, sometimes i missclick for skirmishes

[vocal surge]

F

[tribal badger]

tbh the one thing i will say is as much damage as arms does, unlike pally i actually feel people actively kiting me vs alot of caster comps

so thats probably why it hasnt eaten any nerfs

on ret getting kited is just like omegalul

ur 10 yards away? who cares

thats my full rotation baby

but ret queues r still more dead then warr

[jolly sierra]

ret is like a semi ranged spec

its absurd

i have killed ppl w 100k veredicts in range

[tribal badger]

20 yard range nuke on a melee

[jolly sierra]

imagine rog w that

lol

20y kidneys

[tribal badger]

ngl this seasons shaman gear aint bad either

[jolly sierra]

uglytotem

[tribal badger]

it was a dwarf I had to

[vocal surge]

Starting to learn how to do my rotation properly

as Warrior

Almost doubling my DPS

I hate that

I had to play Rogue really well to climb into 1800 range

and im barely starting to optimize my rotation for warrior

at the same range

[jolly sierra]

with rog u needed to think

with warrior is just smash and ignore pain

[vocal surge]

Yeah

rn the biggest thing

is stacking multipliers

to consistently do 50k to 100k noncrits

so when I crit

it doubles hard

cant wait to see how stupid it gets

w. 4p lol

[jolly sierra]

XD

yeah ptr showed us how will go

[jolly sierra]

changed xmog

[tribal badger]

ugh im so sad i missed out on pandaria and those CM skins

the only expac I didnt play a single season of

[wanton breach]

the weapon was wod though

[jolly sierra]

is a t3

[tribal badger]

was it wod? what was it from?

[jolly sierra]

ah from wod yeah the CM

but the armor is a t3

[tribal badger]

i didnt even know there was CM in wod

i only joined late in the expac

coulda gotten it then zzz

[jolly sierra]

wod was a pretty forgotten xp dont worry

[tribal badger]

i was just getting back into wow casually

[jolly sierra]

seems u are getting fun anyways

[jolly sierra]

well can confirm another thing

leap panda racial interaction is clunky unless u land to floor

think i'll just charge to the healer, cc and then leap back

[waxen meteor]

hunter 2000 achieved

[jolly sierra]

gratz

got an assa bragging against me

and mocking me by /w between rounds

he ended 2-4 kek

complained at me cuz i said to him "decide a fkn target"

cuz just was running around hitting everything

[jolly sierra]

got 3 4-2 in a row

think im gonna rest for now

nah 1 more

[untold remnant]

I enjoy this journey in chat

Haha

[untold remnant]

Survival Hunter managed

[minor cape]

okay so basically

someone posted

some graphs and found out that sub rogue is worst spec at everything

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/12st4g4/solo_shuffle_spec_analysis/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

check this out

a 41 winrate come on

[surreal barn]

Nice.

If it’s only 41 over 2100 I’d love to see 1800+ lol

[minor cape]

well it kinda shows spec is bad

in all aspects

sadge

[surreal barn]

It has felt infinitely easier on one of my rogues around 2k than 1700

We know it’s a spec that relies on others more for it to shine, but cc reduc and lowered burst in 10.1 will make it interesting for sure 😂

[copper maple]

Kinda sad to look at ngl

But sub is best at cc, right guys?

Also according to the last screenshot, outlaw has by far the highest win rate among rogue specs 😄

[vocal surge]

"Surely rogues need nerf."

[wary spire]

Man I went to the forums and lost a few brain cells, but I'm starting to understand their dialect
"X class is fine" and it's not their main = the class is trash and they can deal with it with their eyes closed.
"X class is fine" and it is their main = S tier and borderline unfair.
"X class is fine but maybe we can do with a minor 3-5% nerf" = using the class is considered to be a warcrime in multiple countries.

[dull bridge]

so what are y'all rerolling to

[wary spire]

To whatever zugzug is dominating after the first two weeks.

[vocal surge]

Paladin, Warrior, Hunter, and DK

[waxen meteor]

Gonna play rogue no matter what

then 1 or 2 spec that can make you feel less willing to throw computer away

[glacial aurora]

I miss the old days of sub, I'm praying with my heart and soul that they are working on reworking it

Is there a rogue dev in here? Will he listen to our pleas?

[harsh steppe]

if i pull out a pet from my pet journal collection and stealth can people see it? or is it better to never play with pets

[copper maple]

I recommend playing with pets irl 😄

[broken otter]

No, enemies will not see your pet. Summoning your pet will break Stealth, though.

[harsh steppe]

ah ok tysm

[jolly sierra]

@tribal badger just noticed after some games as a dumbass which mortal strike is the highest priority overall as warr, i just spammed execute instead lol

[slender cliff]

tbh that graph is BS

Cause i do sub rouge

and it slaps

i have even taken over 2 at the same time

maybe people dont know how to play sub

[simple crest]

oh good, not even 1000 rating yet and im already losing 50+ rating for going 3/3. i love solo shuffle... im never getting these freaking saddles.

[stray rivet]

is it possible to setup keyboard only keybindings that will work in pvp for sub rogue?

[potent pivot]

That graph is only made up of players that use arenalogs, so it’s going to be skewed no matter what. But sub definitely does not slap right now, at all.

[slender cliff]

maybe not like other classes but if you know how to play it well you can slap.

[potent pivot]

Idk I 100% disagree

Sure you can win games if you’re a good player, and you can pad the meter a little with rupture. But sub is arguably one of the worst specs in the game rn

[potent pivot]

Wdym?

[simple crest]

sub doesnt have "kill" potential like other specs do unless things align properly. but im always top damage in ss without rupture padding.

[slender cliff]

Its not an easy spec and you have plan more, its not like playing a ret or a hunter. But it definetly its not the worse class right now.

class/ spec

[stray rivet]

like for example i see a lot of the top sub rogue players who have mmo mouses, since i dont want to buy an mmo mouse is it possible to setup keybinds in a way where its only keyboard being used and also effective for pvp?

[simple crest]

thats what i meant by "kill" potential. you cant just roll your face across the keyboard and win.

[potent pivot]

Sure, you’re going to have to use a lot of modifiers though like shift, control and alt

[slender cliff]

yeah i get it cause when i play ret or ww monk, i feel its a breeze

but i feel its more gratifying when I win with sub cause i know not everybody does really .

[simple crest]

im not even glad geared, im mostly aspirant and im doing a lot fo damage. just wish people on my teams would learn how to live so i can do better than 3/6 or 4/6

[slender cliff]

yeah i feel you

[stray rivet]

is that hard to use? i havent actually experimented with modifers yet but i just straight up didnt want to cuz i feel like it would complicate things even further

[simple crest]

i dont even want to get 2400. i just want to be able to get the saddles to finally get the warstrider. but i cant when i gain 12 points going 4/6, then lose 50 going 3/6

[nova viper]

easy

dont lose

[simple crest]

tell that to my team mates who die in 2 seconds. the last game i had round 1. i open "ss>rupture" my healers dead.

[stray rivet]

is it a good idea to have the entire ability bar change when you go into stealth?

thats how it is for me by default but is that a good thing

[simple crest]

i have it doing that

[stray rivet]

ok, is it alright if my stealth abilities are just these?

[surreal barn]

Can you still gouge and kidney while that bar is there

[simple crest]

this is what my main bar looks like, stealth/dance and no stealth.

[stray rivet]

yea although im gonna actually change it a bit, im gonna move shadowblades and symbols to the no stealth needed bar

[surreal barn]

I’d suggest having access to all non stealth skills while you are stealth as far as pvp goes

It’s situational. Like say your arena team member is about to get executed you still want to be able to disarm or cc him even if he is DR’d on kidney/cheap

[stray rivet]

yea setting these bars up is like insanity

[stray rivet]

ok im having a hard time with this, when i go stealth only one bar is being changed so i find it really hard to know which ones i should be putting into the stealth bar and which ones not to put

[potent pivot]

There’s no other way to keybind all of your spells in a good set up

[surreal barn]

My stealth and no stealth bars look identical

[potent pivot]

^same

I even keep cheap shot on 2, on both bars

[stray rivet]

and u just keep track of which spells to use/not use mentally?

if so why does the game even change the bar like this

when you go into stealth

[potent pivot]

Yeah, it’s second nature at this point

The game does it by default, you can turn it off

[stray rivet]

getting into pvp = brick wall after brick wall

[potent pivot]

Once you get used to the class and feel for the game it’s all muscle memory really

[stray rivet]

where do i go to turn it off?

[potent pivot]

Pvp’s barrier to entry is pretty low right now compared to most other past seasons

[surreal barn]

Don’t even have to you can drag same skills to both

[stray rivet]

ok ill just do that

[potent pivot]

Keybinds and how you set up your UI is just a base MMO thing that you gotta do really

[stray rivet]

maplestory was easier than this

[surreal barn]

Like for my sap in my unstealthed bar it is still sap but I macro’d in for that unstealthed sap to stop attacking

So I don’t bust blind

[potent pivot]

Maple story

[stray rivet]

can i have that macro

[surreal barn]

I think you just add in /stopattack

[potent pivot]

Some games just require more fine tuning, or have the capability to do more

[surreal barn]

Before sap

[stray rivet]

how do u sap unstealthed?

[potent pivot]

You don’t

His macro just performs the /stopattack when outside of stealth

[surreal barn]

It also puts me into stealth

[stray rivet]

oh ok

[surreal barn]

Or idk maybe it’s during dance lol I’d have to go and check I’m not at my cpu

[wicked tide]

What rating are u currently playing sub at that you think it’s good?

[slender cliff]

im at 1900

ss

[wicked tide]

Ya man it does okay at that rating because people are bad once u get above 2400 it’s nightmare

[jolly sierra]

i had glads playing as they wanted w my ret and they died insta

[slender cliff]

ohhh

well i dont think i will get there this season cause i dont have much time to play

[jolly sierra]

even our r1 here lost a lot of CR after 10.7 tunings

[slender cliff]

i guess next season i will try to push glad

[pale storm]

Legend pennant 👀👀👀

[stray rivet]

do you ever use coldblood outside of sectech?

no right/

?

[slender cliff]

nope

never

i dont even have it keybinded

i have it on a sec tech macro with showtooltip

so i dont even know its there

but its there

[jolly sierra]

wtf is only for legends?

[stray rivet]

yea same ok

[jolly sierra]

god im lazy af i dont wanna go prot w the ret

[stray rivet]

is it a good idea to unbind w and s? and purely use mouse to move?

[ruby drift]

No

Unbind q,w,e tho

And use asd for movement

[stray rivet]

i have q and e on abilities instead of movement rn

[ruby drift]

S forward . A and d for strafe

[stray rivet]

u dont need to backpeddle ever right

u just rotate ur mouse

[ruby drift]

Nope

[stray rivet]

kk

[ruby drift]

Pve is the only time you ever really can justify back pedaling

[stray rivet]

i just use my mouse to rotate backwards really quickly anyway

[ruby drift]

Just to edge a mechanic real quick

[jolly sierra]

tbh i use movement arrows to run, but mostly mouse

i unbinded turning to the sides and use strife instead

[floral meadow]

hey guys, learning rogue pvper here. I'm currently at 900 rating. I'm now feeling comfortable with using more advanced keybinds/makros.

I want to know, which keybinds/makros are the most important to learn first? I'm thinking about:

Blind Focus / Arena Target 1,2,3
Shadowstep Focus / Arena Target 1,2,3 + Kick

what about kidney?

maybe i'm just wrong, thats why i ask what should i learn first.

Mainly playing Solo Shuffle.

Currently i'm not working with arena target 1,2,3 or focus.

[pale storm]

Two really good ones I use every game: focus blind and focus step kick
You just have to make sure if the target vanishes, or stealths, or uses NE racial or whatever you have to set your focus
I have my blind set up so it either blinds my current target if NO focus, otherwise it blinds focus if I have a focus
Then use step kick on focus to step kick healer casts on a go

[floral meadow]

how to you set / unset your focus?

because i set it up like this: F = Blind Target; Shift + F = Blind Focus

do you set your focus at the start of the game to the enemy healer then?

to just blind him when needed?

[pale storm]

Yeah, I just right click the enemy frame on gladdy and it sets focus. Just set it up to whoever I plan to blind/step kick (usually healer)

[ruby drift]

Right click on arena frames

[floral meadow]

Okay

[ruby drift]

Any time they stealth or meld, it will clear your focus and you will need to focus them again

[floral meadow]

I bound a Hotkey for that

Question about stealth in arena..

How often should I try to restealth?

Usually I am not doing this at all

[ruby drift]

Depends on spec

[floral meadow]

Assa

[ruby drift]

Uhm a bit, but not too much

YOu usually stealth when your trying to line their damage

[floral meadow]

Let me ask another way. When it’s a good to do it?

[ruby drift]

So when you try and kite out enemy cds you can go for a restealth

[floral meadow]

How do I do this? Throw knives to apply poison and run away?

/ Sprint?

[ruby drift]

Can sprint away, step to your healer and line

[floral meadow]

What do you mean with „line“?

[ruby drift]

Get out of enemys line of sight

Go around a wall/pillar

[floral meadow]

Ok

[ruby drift]

Typically done when you have no defensives left, but enemy is still pumping out lethal damage.

[floral meadow]

And then immediately attack again, also because often there are dots on me?

[ruby drift]

Yeah

Your garrotes from stealth are HUGE

[floral meadow]

Yes

[ruby drift]

They silence and do increased damage

So double or even triple garrote sometimes when coming out of stealth if you can

[floral meadow]

So it’s basically try to get away and often they will use skills ton prevent that (for example warriors charge), kite with knife, restealth and attack

I am usually double garrote, then rupture, then slice and dice if it’s not already up

[ruby drift]

Not too often. But sometimes yes

You need constant pressure with sin

You dont want to be dropping your bleeds and poisons unless its necessary

[floral meadow]

So my default opening / out of stealth is garrote + garrote + rupture on target, slice and dice. Then mutilate till 4-5 combo points and envenom

[jolly sierra]

open with kidney on warriors

or they will straight stun u

[ruby drift]

Re stealths aren't to important with sin, but they can be good

Unlike sub where youre constantly looking to reset

Outside of shadow dance windows

[floral meadow]

What I am unsure about is rampart. I am usually using it when I am on cooldowns, just to maybe reapple rupture but most of the time just to use envenom to deal damage. What’s the best way to use it?

[jolly sierra]

yesterday a rog in multiglad (dunno tf was doing in low cr) just garroted me at stealth so i just stormbolted him at sight

[ruby drift]

Like you will go for restealths as sin every now and then just organically lining damage

[jolly sierra]

the guy was bragging against me for losing when i called his shit out for constantly switching targets and then lose 2-4

you need to kidney in opener tho

[floral meadow]

Why?

[jolly sierra]

cuz u can get stunned or disarmed?

then u are fucked with ur opener

[ruby drift]

rampart?

[floral meadow]

Yeah ok, but this doesn’t happen in my mmr 😛

[floral meadow]

Echoing

[jolly sierra]

you need to get used

to stun

if you climb

[ruby drift]

oh reprimand

[floral meadow]

If you talking about kidney in opening.. so double garrote then kidney?

[jolly sierra]

no

mfd then kidney then garrote then rupture

shiv, then echoing then envenom

the echoing with shiv always lands in 7

[floral meadow]

Yes sorry

[ruby drift]

Yeah you want to use your ER's for envenoms

[floral meadow]

Ok

[ruby drift]

You can throw up a ER rupture into DM as well

[jolly sierra]

if you are like that boosted multiglad rogue

[ruby drift]

Or into a exsan but

[floral meadow]

Should I use ER in between my cooldowns?

[jolly sierra]

then you will ate one stun from my alt

[ruby drift]

With your cds

[floral meadow]

Ok

[ruby drift]

Pretty much always use it

[floral meadow]

Ok

[jolly sierra]

use the bone spikes in the stun goes too

hits as hard as an envenom (weak af)

[ruby drift]

I wouldn't hold it personally unless for very niche situations

[floral meadow]

Bone spikes, next topic… when to use this?

[ruby drift]

Yeah envenom dmg is a joke

[jolly sierra]

bone spike in goes tho, to make pressure

but at least one before in the other dps to get more combo points

[floral meadow]

Ok

[jolly sierra]

personally i kept healer undotted to shadowstep gouge

so i can play safely

[floral meadow]

I have 3 bone spikes, should I use it here and there on at least 2 targets?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[floral meadow]

Okay

[ruby drift]

It does good ST dmg too

when it crits

[floral meadow]

And the throwing knives only for kiting / when I am kited, right?

[jolly sierra]

yeah or to align blue combo points

it always awards 1

mut gives 2 and shiv if crit will award more too

[floral meadow]

Thanks guys! 🙂

[jolly sierra]

np

tell us how it went later

nice 2 diamonds in the same node

[waxen meteor]

@jolly sierra how's warrior playing so far

enjoying it?

or meh

not how good it is, but more if you like playing it

[jolly sierra]

its funny, but i used it like shit cuz i went straight to arenas without watching anything lol

now i checked a streamer and think im going better w dmg, also spear goes brr in low cr lol

i was dumb enough to priorize execute over MS lol

[stray rivet]

if im a beginner can i just stick to doing the single target rotation in pvp?

and completely ignore the aoe one?

is aoe even useful when it comes to sub pvp

[jolly sierra]

aoe is good for unranked bgs tho

[stray rivet]

its ok cuz idc about bg

[copper maple]

Seal Fate go brrrr

[copper maple]

Now whenever I think of spear I see that clip someone posted here, where a guy was bouncing between two spears. Hilarious.

[jolly sierra]

ah i saw that

funny af poor monk doing ping pong

[copper maple]

Would suck to be in the same spot, but it's still so funny

[jolly sierra]

yeah lol

[waxen meteor]

not really important

but you can use aoe as sub to get cps quickly in some scenario

dmg of the aoe itself is not important

[stray rivet]

i see

also the pinned talent tree doesnt have thistle tea in it yet the guide does, which talent tree should i go with? (if noob)

[potent pivot]

The pins/faq haven’t been updated in a little while

Was just going to wait until 10.1 to do so

[wise breach]

That's... an interesting change

[potent pivot]

More dmg plz

[tribal badger]

nah they just reduced healing

and made healers tankier

gunna be a wet noodle season fr

gunna be one of those "sick setup dance 1 shot somebody (from 50% hp) in 3 stuns" type seasons

[potent pivot]

They also increased health pools didn’t they

I assume that’s why the change in primary stat

[tribal badger]

yes but reduced the stamina dps get from the set bonus to compensate

its a net stamina buff by like

5 or 10%

cant remember

[potent pivot]

They also increased all incoming dmg in pve

[tribal badger]

healers getting a net 20% ish stamina buff probably

with this change

[potent pivot]

So it only seems fair to increase pvp dmg

Yeah that’s a little odd

Don’t think it will matter very much tho tbh

[stray rivet]

ok gotcha wat should i do for now

[potent pivot]

check out murlok.io and see what the most popular talents are being used by the top 50 of whichever spec

there's a link in the pins

[stray rivet]

ok

[graceful ravine]

Dampen meta for sure

[surreal barn]

Hoooooly shit is it hard to climb right now lol

[jolly sierra]

just got 5-1 in a match where a hunter only casted autoattack and a monk w 376k hp

so w the monk i just leaped with all the burst and in the hunter waited when he was alone

look, just the pet did the dmg

[jolly sierra]

basically 2set nerfed and 4set buffed?

[halcyon timber]

Yeh

25% to evisc is nice but wish they would just tune our junk up big time or drop a 10% for FW and took out something else at this point

New evoker smokescreen fire bbq grill talent is a smoke bomb that you take 52k damage by walking through. Sickkk

[jolly sierra]

god

i hated evokers due to their rng dmg, now even more w that

[halcyon timber]

Yep , bUt wE cAn DuEl aNd KiDnEy sHoT

Also the 25% evisc is cut in half in pvp so no change actually

[jolly sierra]

yeah

so, what should we do?

keep lying in floor till we get a real buff class-wise?

[surreal barn]

So does the 2pc add to symbols we already have and press during our burst?

[jolly sierra]

can be a second one for another dance lol

[tribal badger]

bro this lobby is arms/fury/ww/dh

what a meme lobby

[jolly sierra]

got one with a MW and died in literal 3s after i leaped over him

and had in the same match a hunt which only autoattacked

[lavish abyss]

Is the 411 honor gear better for pvp than, say 415 pieces in the same slot (non tier)?

[halcyon timber]

0 idea dude. I got no idea what we are gonna do

[tribal badger]

if they have better stats but otherwise no

[halcyon timber]

Nothing but hero lobbies today

“Do damage rogue” . Only one to get disarmed / stunned / feared/ paralyzed / cycloned etc

Rogues are only good at killing other rogues . That’s about it

[proper heath]

is this next seasons change?

[wise breach]

Yeah

[inner tartan]

hello everyone if u want to kill some body in pvp super fast what is better sub or sin or outlaw

[potent pivot]

typically i'd say sub, but if you're aiming to kill someone like in a single stun none of the specs can really do that atm

[vocal surge]

Outlaw requires a ton of effort on your end to kill someone

[potent pivot]

sub is meant to be the burst spec normally, and assa does decent dmg all around but is very squishy

[inner tartan]

i asummed so xd how dose sin do ?

[potent pivot]

outlaw like, widdles people down

[inner tartan]

rip i like outlaw

[vocal surge]

Your more likely to die 1v1ing as Outlaw than to kill

[potent pivot]

rogue just doesn't do big burst dmg right now at all

[vocal surge]

^

[potent pivot]

not effective enough burst for it to matter anyway

assa's CDs get countered pretty easily

[hollow sundial]

im sure we will see some knee jerky buffs to assa or outlaw

[potent pivot]

at this point i kinda doubt it, but we'll see

[vocal surge]

they've only done 5% buffs

in PTR

and only one buff out of back to back nerfs to Outlaw

which was damage increase on Dispatch

[potent pivot]

every rogue spec has had back to back pvp nerfs

[vocal surge]

fair

[hollow sundial]

im not saying anytime soon, but eventually

[potent pivot]

yeah idk, we'll see

[hollow sundial]

i feel like sub is gonna get the wod demo experience lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-4u6gn1r4U&ab_channel=Youker

[potent pivot]

don't think the rogue community complaining about rogue being bad is going to outweigh the entire wow community complaining about rogue when it is good

[hollow sundial]

ofc, the inmates are running the asylum

[vocal surge]

wut inmates and asylum?

[hollow sundial]

pvps gonna be mythic plus next season

[vocal surge]

you mean the entire circus is running the town

[hollow sundial]

no way to punish melee and caster dmg cleaves

LOL

[maiden quest]

So sub next pick 10.1 ?

[jolly sierra]

the funniest thing i've saw in the video is than they are fully aware than noxxic is shit and misinforming players HAHAHAHA

[nova viper]

Sub now is not bad pick

If u are chad

[maiden quest]

Ikr but to me its too muchof a cc bot and non consistent damage :/

But 10.1 they straight up increased dmg

[nova viper]

Pshero show 2 weeks ago his build

on sub rouge

with 2xdance and tea

good dmg

[maiden quest]

The issue with this spec that I have is that it takes a huge amount of self and mates awereness to be a good pick

Like a bad played sub is the worst thing you can be in pvp

a bad played ret on the other hand is still a threat

[minor cape]

i mean right now honestly

not really

like bad melee players tend to los everyone and die 1v3 and no class helps

how bad are we talking tho

also i think in a perfect reality where sub is fine right now, a bad sub is better than bad assas xd

[maiden quest]

Well to me view, sub allow little to no mistake pool, because well rogue overall, especially sub is the leader, he picks, he stops, he resets, he decides

So from that, you have a huge responsibility on your own, especially in 3s where mage and you should be on the same page, and msot mages let the rogue take the lead

Not to mention you need tons of pvp experience to be able to lead the arena, whereas a braindead warrior or DK or another cleave bot will just roll in and dps

The Assassination approach a I see it, is way more constant damage focus, less cc to care about and more pool to time your attacks, as your burst windows aren't that brutal

[spring bough]

10days away. Back to rated solo later and trying to hit that elite as outlaw. Looks like unholy DK got big dmg buff since. Maybe I’d have a better chance getting my DK there 😂

[graceful ravine]

spending the next 10 days leveling each melee to 70

And play the one that’s most broken 😅

[waxen meteor]

Good plan haha

[potent pivot]

Literally me rn

Gonna try to also squeeze 1.8k minimum on the warrior next week

[tribal badger]

ugh need to hit max on my hunter

and gear up my priest

only 2 classes left to unlock the mog on

🙏

i guess i could set up disc on my priest for fast queues

should be an easy way to knock it out

[potent pivot]

I’m probably going to just pay for my hunter to get level boosted to 70

[tribal badger]

tbh TW is kinda really good leveling rn

i generally do 1-60 natty then blast TW

[potent pivot]

But level ret myself to get a feel for the rework

[potent pivot]

Yeah I’ve been doing TW on the warr a couple times a night past couple days

[tribal badger]

its like ~0.8 levels per dungeon and the dungeons r so fast if u get a good tank

[potent pivot]

Yeah I’ve had a couple groups that just re queue at the end

[tribal badger]

im sure theres actual groups for it

[potent pivot]

And do a few runs together

[waxen meteor]

man you are on warrior as well?

[tribal badger]

warrior mog is decent

next seasons is 🔥 tho

def wanna grab that

[graceful ravine]

wait so despite all the ret nerfs, theyre still #1?

casters do really well in a dampen meta

lock buffs look crazy

[waxen meteor]

yeah tbh playing a lock alt seems to be nice now

and it seems all three specs of lock are good

so even if 1 or 2 got nerfed

still could be quite good

[wary spire]

How about hunter btw? Is it still good?

[waxen meteor]

hunter is very good now imo

[wary spire]

How are they into ret tho? Getting mixed signals for that.

[waxen meteor]

it's hard to say, also bm and marksman and surival are quite different

bm at the moment can deal okay dmg, in basically whatever scenario

and can do great and long cc on healer like every 30 seconds

melee chase into pillar can be really dangerous

either killed or trapped for 10 -> 20 seconds without being able to do anything

[maiden quest]

What specs are you guys picking for 10.1 ?

since they announced huge buffs for sub and some for outlaw

[surreal barn]

What huge buffs ?

[waxen meteor]

with cs for 4s kidney for 5s

probably sub

[maiden quest]

Basically buffing out of dance

Which makes sub more consistant

[waxen meteor]

doesn't compenstate for the nerf

[maiden quest]

which nerf

specifically

[waxen meteor]

weeks ago

with 10.0.7

[tribal badger]

that is them buffing crit interacting specs specifically due to the crit nerf of 10.1 impacting those specs more strongly

it does not net make them stronger then the crit nerf nerfs them

its more like, the crit damage nerf hits all specs by 10%, but hits crit dependent specs by 20%, so heres a 5% buff to compensate

it does not make u any stronger relative to the rest of the pvp specs

[waxen meteor]

it doesn't even the nerf we received out of nowhere a few weeks agoo

btw nightstalker fix when

[tribal badger]

did sub get nerfs? are u talking about the tier set tuning?

i dont remember it getting any nerfs

[waxen meteor]

i mean the live version one

[tribal badger]

or wait u mean the 10.0.7 damage tuning way back

[maiden quest]

this "nerf" ?

[waxen meteor]

yeah

[maiden quest]

I'm not following, or I missed something, sorry but

[tribal badger]

i mean ya that also sucks but no

to be clear, the buffs ur looking at are to compensate for the global crit nerf in pvp in 10.1

because sub is a spec that plays around decently high crit (cold blood, crit from symbols)

[waxen meteor]

i know what you mean

[tribal badger]

same with the outlaw "buffs"

@maiden quest

[maiden quest]

Soooo, sub getting back on track nO ? I mean it is already decent

[tribal badger]

no

again the issue is ur seeing those as net buffs

[waxen meteor]

Just saying it's not huge

[maiden quest]

Ahh yeah ok I missed these nerf, didnt think it was THAT impactful

[tribal badger]

the problem is sub and outlaw are nerfed more by the crit damage nerf then most specs in the game

[waxen meteor]

it doesn't even bring us back to here

[tribal badger]

which is why they got those buffs

it doesnt make u relatively stronger compared to other specs

[waxen meteor]

on top of the cc nerf and crit nerf

[maiden quest]

Because babys complained 10 x times a days in forum and blizzard decided to nerf the class instead of locking the topics

like usual stuff

we had like 10 pages of floods in SL

people threatening blizzard

like absolut crazy the hate of rogues

[waxen meteor]

70% ST -> 75% ST doesn't change much.
8% SS & Evis is good but

[waxen meteor]

yeah because noobs lose to rogue no matter what

[potent pivot]

This is very very very far from huge

[waxen meteor]

they got kidney and die

they cry

end of story

[maiden quest]

lmao there are like so many rogue counters rn

[waxen meteor]

never thought about why it's only them dead

[maiden quest]

so many many many ways to counter them easily

[waxen meteor]

rogue is noob killer that's sure

so some kind of hates cannot be dodged

[maiden quest]

now pvp in 2023 is : cleave cleave cleave cleave cleave cleave

so great

[tribal badger]

bro i had a soloq game last night that was arms fury WW dh

those poor healers

literally just a meat grinder of 4 zugzugs zugzuging each other

[potent pivot]

Yep so we get elite mog on rogue and play warrior

[tribal badger]

all 6 rounds

[potent pivot]

Gg

[tribal badger]

[waxen meteor]

Just zug kitten whole day

[tribal badger]

the game i was with the fury

we just double lept onto the WW and deleted him

the next game his partner types "this WW is trash doesnt even karma"

he did karma brother

[maiden quest]

Don't understand the whole point, with ret buffs, they want peeps to quit rogue ? and reroll warrior/DK/DH/ret ??

[tribal badger]

it was his first gcd

ZUGZUGZUG

[waxen meteor]

[maiden quest]

i mean yeah i get it, some 1.6k stuck rogues got glad on ret

[waxen meteor]

they lack of vision.
if rogue was performing great, like sin before all the packs of nerfs

[maiden quest]

which makes perfect sense

[waxen meteor]

you don't HAVE TO NERF rogue

you can buff counter of rogue

that's how people balance the game

they are doing the nerfs like 1990 games

[maiden quest]

Well they didnt touch sin so

Sin still good aye

[waxen meteor]

I am not sure if it's still good

[maiden quest]

idk man the more i read patch notes and testimoneis i don't wanna go back in pvp lmao

[waxen meteor]

sin is not changed, so it's not good

[maiden quest]

sry but getting shitwrecked and triple one shoted while trying to pvp again isnt fun lol

[waxen meteor]

the thing is when you buff ret, rogue get automatically nerfed

there's no reason to double dip the nerf

you buff the counter, and meta rotate already

and you don't have to 'NERF' anyone

[maiden quest]

So rogues really roll ret

like theyre not memeing

[waxen meteor]

you missed the chat here weeks ago

[maiden quest]

yeah probable

[waxen meteor]

we are all playing ret spec of rogue

[maiden quest]

so you really did roll ret ?

like no meme

[waxen meteor]

before first weekend nerf, ret was like SSSSSS tier

[tribal badger]

ya idk rogue just feels like a teammate enabler in the game rn

while playing my ret or arms i feel like the anime protag

[waxen meteor]

rogue can still play, but yeah it's more and more support

[maiden quest]

I mean, ret was nowhere near good 1 year ago, it was dogshit

like the worst dps ever

for 10 years straight from icc

the worst class ever seen in an mmo

[waxen meteor]

not really true

[maiden quest]

and now it's s+, I give it 6 month before its C-

[waxen meteor]

i did play ret for last few weeks

and bm

not really a reroll

[maiden quest]

last patch it's below c-

like legion

[waxen meteor]

first solo match ever, winner is a ret

that's SL

[maiden quest]

I mean, we are talking short term here

[shut viper]

Ret was op for majority of shadowlands pvp wise

[maiden quest]

ret is strong, for now, so enjoy while it lasts

[waxen meteor]

I disagree ret was worst

[shut viper]

So I don’t get the agenda that ret was dogshit for years

[waxen meteor]

I am not that qualified to comment that much but it appears lots of data show ret had good days

[tribal badger]

ret wasnt even dumpster tier early this expac lol

it was like low A tier

very high burst

they just overnerfed it to F tier

then reworked it to S++++ tier

fair trade deal

they did nerf it very fast i will say

[waxen meteor]

dude, the first 4 days of rework was fun

[tribal badger]

very early in the season

[shut viper]

Yeah early dragonflight , but that’s not “years”

[waxen meteor]

you litreally won't lose in a lobby

you only lose to another ret

[shut viper]

Especially when it was one of the strongest specs in shadowlands

[waxen meteor]

and the hours queue

[maiden quest]

Again, mark m yword, what are the odds that ret will still be s++ by 10.2 ?

It's suicide for blizzard to keep it thatway

[waxen meteor]

we really dont know about future

could be 10.1 ret is already dead

could be 10.2 it becomes SSS again

who knows

[maiden quest]

There is too much complain on us forums reddit discords etc

[shut viper]

They were op in 3 out of 4 shadowlands seasons, so it’s possible for them to keep rets doing ret things for more than one patch

[maiden quest]

They like have to do something, it's not like they have an option

[shut viper]

They are way broken than they used to be in shadowlands tho

[maiden quest]

Then ret will be just s- or s decent

and everyone will quit and go back to rogue

and then next expansion it's gonna another one

like DH for BFA who was called the rogue melter

[waxen meteor]

Anyway the point is

It’s so easy to play alt now

SO SO SO easy

[maiden quest]

Yeah but you end up going back to your main eventually

I'm not a fan of meta slaving ngl

[waxen meteor]

I think we play rogue for love

[maiden quest]

rogue feature and gameplay is too much fun

and rogue is top in m+ too if you care about pve

[waxen meteor]

Then we play some other specs for not throwing away your computer

[maiden quest]

stealth is beyond any class

[waxen meteor]

So it’s always gonna be rogue + 1-2 others

[shut viper]

I wouldn’t be that sure about ppl coming back to rouge, the nerf to blind and the classes that naturally work well with a rouge, and no dmg buff to compensate might make some ppl to quit rouge at all

[waxen meteor]

Yeah that’s really sad move

[maiden quest]

It's insane in pve thop, i'm coping but

[waxen meteor]

We lose the signature tbh

[maiden quest]

rogue is as of now huge in pve

[shut viper]

Yeah but imagine some ppl don’t play pve, I didn’t play pve but my friends quit pvp and I cba sitting 30+ min ques for solo

So for some ppl class boing good in pve doesn’t change anything

[surreal barn]

I feel like there is still a place for rogue.

On the forums.

[tribal badger]

ohno he doesnt know

[tribal badger]

i mean on ptr rn rogue is the worst class in the game arguably

all 3 specs are underperforming significantly

[maiden quest]

Copium inc

[tribal badger]

if you mean on live yea its pretty good

thats not copium thats raid testing brother

[maiden quest]

Dont worry, i'ts PTR

Theyre gonna revamp it few weeks after patch release

[shut viper]

Well few weeks is kinda long isn’t it?

[maiden quest]

DW we are not gonna merge with paladin discord

naaah no way other discords have rogue refugees

DW it will be fine relaax

u guys rly not playing rogue in pvp 10.1 ?

[shut viper]

I mean I’ll try, but they nerfed our toolkit and toolkit of other dps that fits into rouge comps, that wouldn’t be as bad if rouge wasn’t build around killing while doing set ups

[maiden quest]

like mage

or disc ?

[shut viper]

Now your set ups are shorter but your dmg stays the same so it’s even harder to kill. But yeah, I’ll try,

[jolly sierra]

no way we will merge w paladin discord

those guys are straight pricks

[maiden quest]

reckon they helped me with my ret alt

[jolly sierra]

that is the reason we discuss about our alts w zugzug classes here

[maiden quest]

mhh

what about DH ?

tis close to rogue

[shut viper]

Dh is zugzug as well

Like warrior

Or dk

[maiden quest]

bvut imean efficiency*$

[jolly sierra]

is zugzug and they just were posting gay pictures after being useless

they just gave up

[shut viper]

If you are looking for new spec to play that is similar to rouge I feel like sub - ww, assa - feral, outlaw - fury

[maiden quest]

so rogue never got that bad ?

[jolly sierra]

yeah we are crap rn

[maiden quest]

rememebring when DH was like the best class in bfa

arguabbly

[waxen meteor]

[maiden quest]

They owned the expansion

so hard

Hey who knows, maybe evoker will have its glory too

[waxen meteor]

just be blown by evoker in a lobby

got a 4 range lobby

kinda new for me haha

playing hunter alt is a bit new for me

[maiden quest]

mythic plus is entirely designed aorund rangea nyway

you play melee you want to have a hard time

and pvp well melee

[potent pivot]

That’s what makes it fun

Game too ez

[maiden quest]

unti l you die every single time to a random cleave yo dont even see

[potent pivot]

Research mechanics

[maiden quest]

no

not ernough

too much shitshow

too much annoying aoe, too much stuff happening

blizard dont know how to code a game they fired all their dev

[potent pivot]

Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion ig

[waxen meteor]

and look at blizzard salary from glassdoor

they are poor

[maiden quest]

Lmao I wandered through the discord and legit everyone is rolling lmaoo

[exotic dove]

Any of you guys have a good link to next season elite sets? Sitting here at an appointment and my phone browser is being crap right now

*picture not link

although I will take that link for future too lol

[waxen meteor]

rerolling is so easy these days as mentioned

there's almost no cost

like i did a hunter from scratch to full conquer geared in just a few days

[maiden quest]

likke doing what

queue bg shuffle ?

[waxen meteor]

you can send conquer gear to alt now

[maiden quest]

but when you have 0 rate

[waxen meteor]

doesn't change anything...

[maiden quest]

sry no cp

i just got into the game

back

[waxen meteor]

why does CP matter -.-

[jolly sierra]

i just geared up my warr 3 days ago from fresh 70 to full geared

i even sent primal chaos to make the helm, a diamond and the boots

the diamond costed me like 7k btw

[maiden quest]

i havent go into a single arena in df

[jolly sierra]

yesterday after a venting cuz i was ignorant w warr i ended doing like twice the dmg compared to another dps in the shuffle, ended switching back to bleed build

think i need to keep practising

[maiden quest]

but yo ufirst spam bg for honor gear right

[jolly sierra]

if is ur 1st time go to AH and get the gear there

i sent chests w another chars cuz i played enough this season to afford gear

[maiden quest]

get what exactly

[jolly sierra]

crimson aspirant's gear

[maiden quest]

you can buy hono gear in AH ?

isn't hat BOP ?

[surreal barn]

It is like a step below honor gear

[maiden quest]

ah

I think I have forbidden reach gear in my bank so might be better not to

[tribal badger]

the bought pvp gear is like 200-500g per piece and is 397 ilvl in pvp

so higher then forbidden reach gear

can buy pvp set bonus right off the bat as well which is a big deal

[maiden quest]

yeah, if you plan not to leave valdrakken

i'm a jack of all trade, i do all content lol

[surreal barn]

Anyone curious if this shadowflame enchant work w dark brew

[potent pivot]

Wdym

[jolly sierra]

who

[maiden quest]

what

[tribal badger]

well its shadowflame damage which is fire and shadow

so ig they are wondering if dark brews shadow damage amps it

going off how blizzard prevents trinkets and such for interacting this way id say probably not and if it does its unintended tho

[potent pivot]

It’s possible. Sub’s dmg modifiers have worked on items in recent past such as SL. But iirc they fixed a lot of those interactions so I’m doubtful.

[surreal barn]

Yeah that’s what I was asking.

[spring bough]

sitting on like 9k conquest right now. time to buy a bunch of boxes and deck out my DK lol

[jolly sierra]

go ahead u are still in time

im still raising CR, hope can play again soon

[ruby drift]

Mage stonks rising

Just need rogue stonks to rise now

[spring bough]

some mage hit me earlier within 0.9 seconds with two 110k frostbolt crits, safe to say i got melted

[jolly sierra]

u got iced

KEK

[waxen meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/frozen-snow-winter-freezing-its-cold-gif-15578253

[spring bough]

wish this next seasons pvp gear had some type of shoulder glow. atleast the weapon illusion looks amazing

also has blizz released anything on the crimson legend 0.1% award? is it spec specific? so if 1600 outlaws are over 1k the top 160 gets it?

[ruby drift]

16

[ruby drift]

Hmmm

Interesting

[spring bough]

oh that is pretty nice stamina inc for outlaw

[ruby drift]

Less then 16 actually

[spring bough]

yeah i mathd wrong lol

[ruby drift]

Very wrong lol

But so did I

[spring bough]

wtb more rogue updates please blizz

[acoustic junco]

If there was 50k outlaw rogues, it'd be 5 crimson legend. 100k for top 10.

[spring bough]

yeah so lookin like 1 outlaw getting it this season lol

aent no1 touching Nahj's 3300 or whatever ridic number he stopped at

[tribal badger]

im pretty sure its 3?

idk i checked some website with it for each spec currently dont know how updated it keeps

but it is spec based

and for outlaw it was 3 slots

for top 0.1%

[ruby drift]

1.6 according to the numbers he provided

[spring bough]

pvpleaderboards website has about 1600 outlaws over 1k rating but if its every outlaw rogue then it may be more

[wicked tide]

I think it’s insulting they are buffing thief’s bargain when the talent doesn’t even work properly with vanish

How about you fix the talent and then buff it

[pale storm]

seriously, monka TOS

[spring bough]

when main gauche gets a kill or blade flurry it feels so good lol

201 to go for this elite then gotta get to 2956 to somehow get this legend title LOL

[queen geyser]

@quaint cedar You’re Kleever right?

[queen geyser]

It’s what we ramped up to in SL with Enduring Brawler. Now it’s baseline with no ramp up

This is pog

[spring bough]

10% more stamina will be nice is that live for 10.1 or tuesday?

[tribal badger]

10.1

[jolly sierra]

buff more death from above

[quaint cedar]

Yes

Just saw the buffs. Loving the 15% stamina!

And no ramp up like you said

[queen geyser]

Yeeeee

Now to fix noodle spree

Hopefully

[quaint cedar]

Yes please!

Noodle spree is a perfect name for it

Sad tho lol

I really hope that with the extra stamina outlaw can actually fight other melee again

And not get demolished

Also the Turn the Tables change is kinda nice. Still niche, but I could see using it against demo locks or DHs

Anything that spams stuns really

Might be good idk

[queen geyser]

Leans into the brawler aesthetic at least

[quaint cedar]

Yeah for sure

I've heard some outlaw rogues already use it

Like some of the EU guys

So with it buffed might be really good

12 seconds is a lot more time to make use of it

And in solo shuffle you're getting stunned so much that you could have pretty high uptime on it

[queen geyser]

I’m already stacking saltwater potions with ghostly strike in random bgs

Just thinking of stacking those plus turn the tables now

[quaint cedar]

Oh that sounds fun

Imagine how much damage killing spree will do with all those modifiers!

Jk it still sucks lol

[queen geyser]

(And ghostly strike has a pretty high uptime because it has cdr from restless blades, but you ditch a gap closer for it)

[quaint cedar]

I wonder if we can make a reasonable build that gets both blade rush and ghostly strike

[queen geyser]

First thing that springs to mind is ditching float like a butterfly or gsw

But you want gsw to really capitalize on it

In my scrub experience anyway

[quaint cedar]

Could maybe drop blinding powder since blind is pretty garbo in 10.1

Feels depressing to say that lol

1.5 min blind was always one of the benefits of playing outlaw, but 10.1 basically ruins that

[spring bough]

i have been using take your cut the haste is actually really nice plus it buffs teammates too

[quaint cedar]

Yeah that one got a longer duration too

And well, we don't have to worry about taking maneuverability anymore...

[spring bough]

maybe ill drop smoke bomb in 10.1 for turn the tables if it is actually decent

[quaint cedar]

I've never even used death from above before, I'm assuming the buff is not enough to make it useful right?

[spring bough]

i think its pretty bad lol

[quaint cedar]

Figured lol

I guess the cheap energy cost is nice

[spring bough]

maybe they could change up dagger in the dark because that would work with dance builds real well

[quaint cedar]

They did rework dagger again, I think it's still useless tho

Still a stacking debuff

[queen geyser]

They reworked it, and then nerfed the rework

[quaint cedar]

Oh really? Lmao

[spring bough]

i might actually swap out smoke bomb for dismantle. half the time the bomb doesnt even work lol

[quaint cedar]

Pvp talent choices could be interesting now.
Enduring brawler will still be mandatory.
The other 2 slots could be a choice between dismantle, smoke bomb, take your cut, turn the tables, and the new cloak talent (forgot the name)

Smoke bomb is clunky. Feels weird for it to be on the GCD. Sometimes I swear I'm spamming that shit and it doesn't come out

Maybe I'm just stupid lol

[spring bough]

oh i forgot a bout the cloak talent. i feel like everyone gonna be using that

[queen geyser]

Currently running Enduring Brawler, Smoke Bomb, and Dismantle. Swap Dismantle for CIK if Dismantle wouldn’t be useful

[quaint cedar]

Yeah cloak talent is going to be nice

Can use it aggro to get your damage out with dance and not get peeled

Or just use defensively of course

I'm thinking for 10.1 maybe run enduring brawler, cloak talent, and third choice would be either smoke bomb, disarm, or turn the tables depending on matchup.

[graceful ravine]

they need to buff blade flurry to make outlaw good

it hits like a noodle atm

[jolly sierra]

death from above can be used to avoid ccs and jump to targets

[frozen falcon]

if you cant get mastery on a piece of gear for sin rogue is next best haste or crit?

[jolly sierra]

but yeah, is cringy since bfa

haste

maybe if is buffed to 50% more dmg can be good again lol

or at least 30%

[graceful ravine]

in the dampen meta, first healer to oom loses

so classes with most aoe will win

[quaint cedar]

I thought blade flurry already had a pvp modifier on it

[graceful ravine]

outlaw needs a big aoe buff

[quaint cedar]

Unless they got rid of it

[graceful ravine]

idk but blade flurry def hit alot harder in SL than DF

[quaint cedar]

Problem is blade flurry does damage to off targets based off your single target damage

If your single target damage is shit then blade flurry is shit

[graceful ravine]

dh/boom could be massive

or lock/mage

[quaint cedar]

I think it hit harder in SL simply because outlaw in general hit harder

[graceful ravine]

ya maybe

im not seeing any significant dps buffs for outlaw to make it good in 10.1

[spring bough]

BF hits sometimes around 30-50k. if you pickup the BF talents itll hit closer to 40ks pretty often if you are pumping ST

[graceful ravine]

outlaws best stat is crit and thats getting nerfed so not looking hopeful

[quaint cedar]

Tbh the damage wasn't as bad as I thought it would be when I tested on the ptr during the last play with the blues

Still lower than other classes, just not by as large of a gap as I expected given the crit nerfs

[graceful ravine]

btw the new cloak talent removes a monk's karma shield

which is hilarious

[quaint cedar]

At the very least seeing that stamina buff for outlaw gives me a bit of hope that maybe blizzard doesn't completely hate us

I saw that by the way. Man people are going to get so salty over that cloak talent

[spring bough]

hey we can stay alive longer to make rounds last longer and still lose LOL

[quaint cedar]

Hell yeah let's goooo

[quaint cedar]

I'm sad I wanted to get the legend title for season 1 but then the ret rework happened and now I'm just parking my rogue

Well parking the whole game tbh haven't played in a month except for the ptr

[flint heron]

Perhaps you need to watch the above video for some motivation

[spring bough]

yeah we determined earlier top 3 get legend so u need 2956 rating for US lol

[quaint cedar]

Oh you mean crimson legend?

[spring bough]

yeah

[quaint cedar]

There's just "legend" which is 100(?) wins above 2400

[spring bough]

forgot about that one yeah thats one too

[quaint cedar]

No way I'd ever get crimson legend I don't think I'm that good lol

I got 2400 in shuffle. My mmr was like 2500+ when I got it

So I could probably get 2500, maybe like 2600

Don't think I'd ever hit 3k tho

And forget queuing into ret meta lol

[graceful ravine]

I should’ve mained dh

Crimson legend is only 31xx

Very reasonable

[jolly sierra]

dh is hit or miss tbh in pvp

can be extremely good or extremely shit

better go warrior which is safer and as dumber as dh

[quaint cedar]

warrior is always safe

blizzard never nerfs that class ever

guys I'm on the ptr right now and I have 684k hp on my outlaw rogue in pvp

that's nuts lol

so happy to see the stamina back

[jolly sierra]

noice

now we need proper dmg buffs and we are back

[graceful ravine]

Vial is gonna be really strong

If unnerfed

Blind->gouge->vanish cheapshot still a long cc chain

Easy to pull off as outlaw

Or dance cheapshot

[waxen meteor]

Healing in low cr range games are really difficult

man, did a quick 1500 CR hpal game

everybody is doing like 40-50K dps game

not sure if it's because nobody press defensive cd or just range dps is too high

[clever blaze]

does disarming ret do anything?

[waxen meteor]

yes

doesn't stop all skills but some

[jolly sierra]

yes

it stops them doing veredicts

in SL however didn't changed anything

[vocal surge]

That 15% stamina buff is gonna be big for us

[magic arch]

Yo whats up with the wierd outlaw build? From rank 1 and 2 outlaw

[vocal surge]

[magic arch]

Saw they were running a sepsis build

[tawny kestrel]

which r1 and 2 @magic arch

[magic arch]

3s

Cant share link

They still appear on murlok io as top 2

Seems sus

[tawny kestrel]

murlok io will show you as whatever spec you log out as

doesn’t mean they play the spec at high lvl

[magic arch]

Ah didn’t know that

Mbmb

[tawny kestrel]

also the top 2 outlaw rogues on murlok.io are from TW which is just wintrading

[vocal surge]

TW?

[tawny kestrel]

taiwan

[vocal surge]

Ah

when does rating freeze?

[shut viper]

What you mean freeze? You mean the end of the season?

[minor cape]

raz, any hope for sub next season?

[vocal surge]

ye

Is it a week before

or when next patch drops

[shut viper]

It’s at 10 pm a day before the patch comes

And patch goes live on may 2nd or may 3rd depending if your na or eu

[tender ferry]

In 10.1 are you all going for haste as your secondary stat as sub since crit will be giga nerfed?

Mastery then haste

[shut viper]

Why crit will be nerfed? Also how many non mastery items you’ll get, trinkets, dagger, ring? The rest is tier set and full versa mastery + crafted boots with crit (assuming world pvp gear will have versa mastery belt and wrists)

[jolly sierra]

crit is reduced to 150% more dmg instead 175% like RN in pvp

[minor cape]

crit stat is not getting nerfed its the damage of crit

haste will still be useless as sub

[tight veldt]

i miss not hitting like a wet noodle in most cases 😦

[shut viper]

Yeah exactly

[acoustic junco]

sepsis is the hardest hitting ability for outlaw. it's a free ambush too

[jolly sierra]

what did i say lol

[spring bough]

these 17 minute que avg wait times are a blast

[jolly sierra]

before yesterday i had one with like 40m

[spring bough]

yeah that was most of mine yesterday lol

got up to 2202 now back down to 2002 lmao

[wary spire]

Maybe an annoying tank-like build of outlaw that all-in talents into defensives will actually be good?

[spring bough]

itll help us stay alive long enough in solo for the other dps to kill someone lol

[surreal barn]

Warriors sharpened blade is going to be such a good kill condition in 10.1 if dampening gets as far as I think it will

What % reduc does shiv get to now?

[jolly sierra]

like 25%

like a fkn wound poison