i guess
#pvp
minor cape
wintry dew
I like sub aswell
copper maple
last stun is less than a global
wintry dew
Big dam in dungeons
copper maple
double step is all I needed to reroll to assa 😄
also last time I've seen sub at all he had rupture as his top damaging ability
which was super weird to me
wintry dew
Now it's either BP, ST or rupture
harsh steppe
woot i got it in twos, but i don't see it anywhere, are they sent to you when the new season starts?
copper maple
should be in inventory
harsh steppe
oh it is yay! tysm
lucid citrus
congratz man!
jolly sierra
gratz, keep going
copper maple
I've had some good games clibming from 1450 to 1750 but guess what? Two lobbies of being a punching bag for everybody lost me 100 rating.
I'm done
A bloody prot warrior does the same damage as me and doesn't die
What is this game design
languid ravine
bro, its not blizzards fault, like its really hard to fix obvious problems when you are a small indie company
and there is only a few hundred thousand people playing every day, how are you ever supposed to have enough data that will confirm obvious issues??
wintry dew
jolly sierra
ofc is not blizzard fault
copper maple
You right, i shouldn't be complaining. It's just a small company making a small game that you pay for monthly and for every expansion
languid ravine
and they are very new to this business too, only like 20 years or something
jolly sierra
they doesn't have enough personal to address every issue
scarlet shell
you know i have not seen a single tank player in SS, even a prot paladin is kinda rare for me
copper maple
I've seen two prot warriors
The first one flopped most of the time
The second one did damage equal to arms
And never died
jolly sierra
copium
tribal badger
languid ravine
wasnt ele one of the too strong leaning specs anyways? :d
tribal badger
sure it was before ret was released and it turned ele shaman off
tfw 80% of ur damage is flame shock and lava burst
tfw a single ret pala solo dispels his whole team the whole game of FS
dull bridge
ret basically makes boomkin, ele and destro unplayable
tribal badger
also turns out if u cant kite a melee ele is not very tanky
and u cant really kite ret
jolly sierra
and storm keeper is nerfed to the floor
jolly sierra
0.2 pvp multiplier is just an invitation to remove that spell from game
languid ravine
oh right, that reminds me, blizz can just fix pvp numbers on the go
why did noone else think of that before
do you think they use sound in their california offices?
imagine how long it will take until someone fixes that broadband EQ
maybe its the muddy bass destroying everyones brainwaves over there
dull bridge
if ret wasn't a ranged spec, a good ele would be able to kite them pretty much the whole game. you can purge his freedom and double knock and other stuff. but it's not ideal when ret can smack you across the map anyways.
jolly sierra
is hilarious how they can beat u with just using final veredict
while u are running away
fathom dew
Hey guys is this a safe space I can cry about being a rogue hardstuck at 1700 in 2s
fathom dew
In 2s it feels like 2k+ but might just be the copium
pale storm
I was one good game away from my small goal
what spec are you plaiyng?
waxen meteor
leveling a hunter from 60-70 casually
i am losing interests already
i barely want to finish lv70, already at lv68
don't feel joy
jolly sierra
im doing TW for HC xmogs
waxen meteor
TW?
waxen meteor
Ah
What's so speical for the timewalking these days
i remember seeing a post
but didn't really read
there's a 4 weeks straight TW
tribal badger
u get heroic loot from it
jolly sierra
yeah, raids
tribal badger
for the next 5 weeks
jolly sierra
but heroic loot
tribal badger
instead of normal loot
waxen meteor
wait
jolly sierra
heroic loot = EZ xmog
tribal badger
from the weekly not from each dungeon
waxen meteor
you mean the weekly missions?
jolly sierra
yes
waxen meteor
to finish 4 or 5 dungeons or 1 raid
jolly sierra
yep
waxen meteor
I did that last week, don't seem to find anything special
waxen meteor
probably higher item level item
waxen meteor
i opened it without looking at the details...
it's like 402 or sth
but nothing fancy
waxen meteor
could be leveled up?
waxen meteor
ok, so it's even less item level than my pvp gear
tribal badger
this season u cant level up raid gear
wise breach
New PTR patch, zero rogue changes yet again
jolly sierra
gratz
wintry dew
The best part is, im playing for fun instead of grinding for rating as i was on my rogue
so its so much chill
jolly sierra
maybe that mindset given u the rank
wintry dew
Idk, i'm not expecting 2.4 milestone seriously, since i couldnt even do it on my main
But if i get it, fuck it xD
jolly sierra
Idk, i'm not expecting 2.4 milestone seriously, since i couldnt even do it on my...
i got it with a shitty setup, maybe its ur chance
jolly sierra
that is a very good change for an useless talent
that remove both deathmark and spear dragging
tribal badger
that makes the talent go from useless to not bad yea for sure
tribal badger
basically makes cloak a BoP
for the initial immunity
still get stunned from behind tho prob
jolly sierra
also turns it into a double evasion
would be evasion for 10s and evasion for 5s
very interesting
spring bough
this sounds pretty dang good
jolly sierra
now rework control is king
ruby drift
spring bough
WTB the 20% healing over 5 seconds from feint as a new pvp talent. legion lego equip bonus lol
tribal badger
unholy also got a neat one like that
mage sorta did also
idk maybe theyll give them to everyone
potent pivot
you have to drop some really good stuff to take it, so idk if i'd call it massive
but it does give another good option at least
potent pivot
idk i didn't see the point in changing maneuv at all
it wasn't even that insane and only taken into certain comps
pale storm
250% speed increase that removes and immunes roots/slows on a short CD seems good tho
jolly sierra
250% speed increase that removes and immunes roots/slows on a short CD seems goo...
that is a bfa sprint
from nowhere xd
was added in 8.1.0
shit i got a crappy pve trinket
nova viper
Hi. I have a very big question and I'm hoping for an answer. You hear a lot from various youtubers or Internet users that rouge is currently a weak class because XYZ. Is this really the case or can I still get a nice rating like 2000+? I really like Rouge, the style of this class and the gameplay, but I still feel the need for progression in this content.
wintry dew
That moment when you're playing your RET alt, and queu against Raiku
dull bridge
Hi. I have a very big question and I'm hoping for an answer. You hear a lot from...
in what bracket, what's your usual rating
nova viper
in what bracket, what's your usual rating
You can more explain? Sorry, English is not my first language xD
pale storm
that is a bfa sprint
we shall see, I have a feeling it is the new sprint, time will tell
dull bridge
You can more explain? Sorry, English is not my first language xD
rogue is weaker but you can still get 2k in shuffle with any spec.
nova viper
rogue is weaker but you can still get 2k in shuffle with any spec.
What about 2vs2 3vs3? "Shuffle" is only about solo, right?
spring bough
I played a que earlier with a fistweaver named Tmpikabrew and i am in another solo que with the same fistweaver. Pretty sure im playing with the rogue god right now
jolly sierra
You can more explain? Sorry, English is not my first language xD
mine neither, but which bracket? 2v2? 3v3? solo shuffle?
nova viper
2vs2 and ss
jolly sierra
I played a que earlier with a fistweaver named Tmpikabrew and i am in another so...
ask him to sign ur shirt
shuffle is possible, 2s is fucked up
there are just hardstuck gladiators which drops against ranks 1, so they are ur matches there
casuals went to shuffle
pale storm
I went 5-1 in a lobby with Pika on his hpal while he was streaming earlier in season was hype
pale storm
haha
wintry dew
i got it with a shitty setup, maybe its ur chance
Went from 1800 to 2080 in like 4 shuffles, let's goooo
jolly sierra
Went from 1800 to 2080 in like 4 shuffles, let's goooo
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
vocal surge
100% uptime vs Rogues
spring bough
so i did something wild
spring bough
i took mind numbing poison as outlaw replaced crippling and just went 6-0 lol
jolly sierra
They finally implemented the "totally not precog effect" on PTR
we need how much will increase
wintry dew
They don't share the poison type do they
jolly sierra
can be boring, but can be very good
spring bough
mind and crippling are both non-lethal cant have both unless sin
spring bough
rocked wound/mind and it worked out well lol
wintry dew
But where the slows at D:
vocal surge
Outplays Ret pally
spring bough
Mind numbing the new slow lol
wintry dew
Pistol shot right
vocal surge
dies anyways
wise breach
No details on Wowhead yet https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=205173/figurine-of-the-gathering-storm
spring bough
been down on my luck lately in solo finally climbing back lol
jolly sierra
can u get one in ptr?
harsh steppe
how often do you guys actually use shadow dance to cheapshot?
wise breach
I'm not sure, comes from a vendor in the new zone
No idea what that material is and how you get it and if it requires rep
jolly sierra
agh then will be hard to check anything
pale storm
how often do you guys actually use shadow dance to cheapshot?
situational, but depending on who you are playing against, usually you wanna cheap the off target/healer on your go on kill target
wise breach
The professions NPC in Stormwind that teaches you all the profession recipes teaches you everything except this and Precog...
Oh never mind!
They're just sold by a vendor directly
harsh steppe
@pale storm yah I think it was Pikaboo's video I believe or somewhere, I heard that in some situations you may want to save dance for the cheap shot but not use any other buffs (i have all buffs on one macro, or most of them i mean) but i never actually get into a situation (although im still really low cr) where i need to use it; usually i just cheap shot at the end of my bursts or when i need to slow someone down
edit: ig what im asking is should i keep shadow dance keybound since i never end up pressing it by itself
wise breach
I like this, it makes it bad for casters
I suppose you can whack someone with a staff or dagger still
tribal badger
ud also basically gain 1 stack a second vs most specs no
how often do u not have a slowing debuff
even minor ones
tribal badger
feels like theres a million of them in a game
pale storm
yeah but you would have to not attack until it builds up
so if you are just hitting someone it wqeill jsut keep resetting?
is there an ICD for it?
tribal badger
well it will just keep consuming
jolly sierra
dont think will have internal cd
tribal badger
ur attacks will just do the damage constantly but a much lower level based on how many stacks u have
so like, in a game where ur perma slowed, that embellishment does 1.7k dps (before armor)
jolly sierra
still underpowered compared to precog as a cc inmune without cd
i would raise it to 100% more dmg and will be ok KEK
to make them suffer
pale storm
yeah seems underwhelming compared to precog
wise breach
They reworked the boots too since the trinket set bonus is gone
This is old Sephuz, right?
spring bough
25 minute que annnnnndddd someone afks out the second we get in. back to waiting lol
wise breach
There's a vendor with all the gear
ripe crag
been down on my luck lately in solo finally climbing back lol
Very nice! I've been respecting to numbing poison in caster heavy lobbies as well. It's been favorable so far, since outlaw has pistol shot and a shit ton of mobility, and extra melee range anyhow.
jolly sierra
gotcha
ripe crag
How are you other outlaw spec doing with Killing Spree vs Precise cuts?
I recently made the switch go Killing spree, and I'm not finding many favorable uses for it.... the range is weak, and the damage is often weaker than keeping my rotation going instead.
It seems the extra %dmg from precise cuts may be better...
dull bridge
none of those buttons are relevant for st so you just get whatever you like
ks is useful for breaking roots or 35% DR to be used in a pinch
vocal surge
How are you other outlaw spec doing with Killing Spree vs Precise cuts?
I rece...
Killing Spree is good for a defensive and its good for removing roots
the other use is as filler
ripe crag
Thanks! I've only tested it for a single evening so far, and I didn't realize I could break roots with it. That's useful.
spring bough
tanklaw inc lol
graceful ravine
they should give vanish cdr to outlaw
waxen meteor
so many simple paladin sets just look so good on BE lady
jolly sierra
panda is very hard to find decent xmogs
need to be loose or heavy clothes, else it looks weird
jolly sierra
graceful ravine
the ease of gearing alts def affected the severity of the fotm classes
back then if one class spec suddenly became OP due to a patch, there might still be less of them because it takes time to level new character convenants, renowned etc
now if a spec is OP, you see them literally everywhere instantly
winter seal
I think things being alt friendly is fine but I think having a class that’s easy af to play be that overtuned is bad for the game.
winged pike
another factor is how overtuned the specs are and historically how reticent they have been with properly nerfing
if something is stupid op they usually have a few weeks
for this patch and historically probably a month or two before it’s even considered a nerf
fotm isn’t that diff in other pvp games either, i don’t think it’s a bad thing to have a meta, but it’s definitely absurd to have it be this tightly determined by numerical shit and not proper design
stoic spruce
is there a choice in our wep enchants or is it cut-and-dry?
jolly sierra
dunno about outlaw, but in sub and assa sophic dev wins for a lot
agile palm
in solo queue, at what rate do you earn progress toward the seasonal mount? is it 2% per match?
waxen meteor
God damn it....
Got a crazy WW, first game, was 4-1, then last round should be an easy win due to the lobby, that WW went AFK, so I exited 4-2;
Queued again.
Somehow instant queue, and run into that WW again.
I exited 4-2, only 2 loses with him again, last round should be an easy win, but he insisted going on the heal monk for personal reasons tf
jolly sierra
maybe fought in outdoor and the mw trolled him with a ring of peace in a cliff
copper maple
Should've had set up a port
jolly sierra
my ret is zanda, once in arathi a guy throw me from LM, and used the racial to fall safe, was funny af
frigid spade
Okay, I'm getting pissed off. AM I doing something wrong? Recently, every time I go against a hunter or another rogue with stealth, I can never find them like ever
I have a sap spam macro and everything, but they always see me before I see them and throw me out of stealth
is there just some trick I'm missing?
nimble idol
Nerf rogue bubble plz
vocal surge
is there a choice in our wep enchants or is it cut-and-dry?
Outlaw is Sophic or Frozen
Difference between both is Frozen can be proc'd by anything
so you can try to CC and it'll proc n break your gouges, blinds, or extend combat
copper maple
Mage food only
vocal surge
Mage Food only
minor cape
this
vocal surge
For Healers
harsh steppe
are you fr
copper maple
Yes
vocal surge
you drink Delicious Dragon Spittle (Dragonflight Cooking)
harsh steppe
so i have to just do 3-4 crimson vials?
vocal surge
and Pandaren has to go pick up their food buff from WoD if I recall
harsh steppe
you drink Delicious Dragon Spittle (Dragonflight Cooking)
wait so there IS food or there isn't for arena?
vocal surge
Normal food that restores health no
copper maple
Well normally you either have a healer with you, a mage or a hybrid dps like ret
vocal surge
Mage Food Only for everyone
Delicious Dragon Spittle (Mana only) for Healers
copper maple
Otherwise it's vials mostly
vocal surge
Pandaren have a special food item as their racial for PvP that they need to go pick up
harsh steppe
i'm very confused lol
vocal surge
^
copper maple
I watched a supatease video about the PvP talents from PTR or something where he called the cloak talent rework "a bubble".
It just removes physical debuffs and gives evasion (in addition to other things cloak does), that's nowhere near a bubble.
minor cape
I watched a supatease video about the PvP talents from PTR or something where he...
its pretty good
still
copper maple
And people in comments are so hilarious
copper maple
Yeah I'd love that talent right now
minor cape
like only if they dot you to hell
copper maple
After tanking 100 rating in 12 rounds of being a punching bag
copper maple
That's an extra defensive against zug zug
minor cape
doesn't it purge dots?
copper maple
I'd love that now
minor cape
also
copper maple
Says physical debuffs
copper maple
So I'd assume stuff like ms also
minor cape
but it will be magic AND physical
copper maple
This
minor cape
this makes cloak a huge defensive but only if we have a slot for it
copper maple
I'd prioritise it over bomb for soloq against zug lobby
minor cape
like disarm, bomb and duel are too good
copper maple
For example
copper maple
Cause disarm would be a 100% there anyway, and hemotoxin is a 100% as well
harsh steppe
literally getting fucking worse =/
copper maple
Idk if sub has a pvp talent used 100% of the time
copper maple
Also sub is generally less squishy
minor cape
still this shit is so good
copper maple
Unless we get something baseline
minor cape
copper maple
I like that disc gets dome baseline
minor cape
Unless we get something baseline
if it's a feral and paladin lobby then you have nothing to loose hehe
copper maple
Maybe we can get something too
harsh steppe
i hope so
minor cape
ive said it many times and i will say it again they should make macabre and dark shadow baseline and remove secret tech forever
copper maple
They should build kyrian spear into disc barrier so it stops your teammates from running out of it xD
minor cape
🤪
copper maple
Nobody would miss sec tec i bet
minor cape
yup
it's a bandage ability, like they couldn't think of smth good
and made this trash
copper maple
literally getting fucking worse =/
Wait i thought you don't lose rating below 1k
copper maple
When you start a fresh char you get hundreds of rating and drop 0
minor cape
i also thought that tbh
copper maple
Until 1k or so
harsh steppe
idk i must be especially bad then
copper maple
Well, we all have our struggles, whether it's 1k rating, 1.8k or 3k.
I wanna get rival on rogue to convince myself I'm not garbage on rogue and should completely reroll to my disc 😄
wintry dew
It honestly might be easier to just do that in 2s with an healer
copper maple
Getting a decent healer in lfg is like getting the hottest girl for a date xD
Competing with chad rets as a little rogue nerd
copper maple
I liked when outlaw had between the eyes for a stun
For the whole one expansion I think
Or was it in bfa too?
ripe crag
they should give vanish cdr to outlaw
Outlaw already gets vanish CDR from restless blades.
maiden quest
Anyone recommend between sub and assa in RBG ?
spring bough
Outlaw already gets vanish CDR from restless blades.
Sub has a talent that reduces CD times on all abilities by 20 seconds that is what he wants. That would be so nice to have
ripe crag
Gouge is two fingers right into their eyes
Ahahaha. This is cracking me up. I would love for the animation to be changed to that, complete with stooges sound effects.
ripe crag
Sub has a talent that reduces CD times on all abilities by 20 seconds that is wh...
Ahhhh. Ok. Thanks for thr clarification. I've only played Outlaw
spring bough
We had that ability in SL pretty sure it was one of the legendaries. It was hella nice. Would be cool to have again for outlaw
ripe crag
We had that ability in SL pretty sure it was one of the legendaries. It was hell...
That would be insane, coupled with restless blades, and the ability to heal 30% evrytime vanish is used.
tawny kestrel
Anyone recommend between sub and assa in RBG ?
depends on map
should be able to play both
maiden quest
well that's 2 whole sets to farm
vocal surge
That would be insane, coupled with restless blades, and the ability to heal 30% ...
15%*
it was nerfed by 50% this season
copper maple
well that's 2 whole sets to farm
Both vers mastery
I've always thought sub is best for playing bg objectives.
And that's probably the biggest rogue strength in bgs
ripe crag
15%*
Oh no!!!. I guess I should be looking more carefully at the patch notes. I hadn't even realized.
So its 30% in PvE, and 15% in PvP then?
potent pivot
Outlaw already gets vanish CDR from restless blades.
Pretty positive he means Shadowdust
vocal surge
Invigorating Shadowdust
tawny kestrel
well that's 2 whole sets to farm
just one set mate
naive plank
ive said it many times and i will say it again they should make macabre and dark...
why you hate it so much?(I hate Dance more) 😄
minor cape
dance is cool
naive plank
it's cool as a CD, not as ability that EVERYTHING revolves around
minor cape
sec tech is a skill that forces developers to make other skills worse
🫡
and makes gameplay worse
if anything, sec tech is what everything revolves around
vocal surge
Time to try out Solo Shuffle and see if I push past 2200
minor cape
Time to try out Solo Shuffle and see if I push past 2200
💪 you can do it king
naive plank
well I get you, I already mentioned a couple of times how sub is designed in a way that you are obliged to take sec tech, otherwise you are not doing well enough...
there is no way to empower evis enough
whatever talent path you take
minor cape
thats what im talking about
i think evis should be your damage not some bandaid ass ability that breaks all your cc
not all but sap blind gouge
naive plank
I get back to wow after 3 years because of the new talents and new profession stuff just to find out I'm still forced to use 2-3 builds(top) and work orders essentially just a 3 NPCs nobody is using
copper maple
I get back to wow after 3 years because of the new talents and new profession st...
I was hyped about duelers guild in bfa
copper maple
The only duel i got there was once with a friend
Throughout the expansion I've seen people duel there once maybe
minor cape
I leveled my alchemy/EG on my main and LW/JC on my alt
weird
i used it to craft my shit
naive plank
i used it to craft my shit
I literally can't rank up my EG because of this
probably realm related shit? I'm on Sylvanas
minor cape
i dont know
copper maple
I looked at work orders once, they were empty too
naive plank
What part of AH/Work orders are region wide and what part is realm only?
copper maple
Looks like you only use the personal ones
naive plank
Duels are fun, especially in a proper arena looking area
facts.
minor cape
duels are cool however super not balanced
naive plank
also 3v3 for me is abomination. I find 2s way more enjoyable(and fast)
copper maple
duels are cool however super not balanced
Well you can duel who you feel like can be beatable
minor cape
how do you even duel a rogue if you are ele
copper maple
I remember trying to duel ferals
minor cape
oh hell nah
copper maple
It was like dueling another rogue who could also heal
And bear to take no damage
One of my all time proud duel moments is beating and arms on wotlk server
minor cape
dueling feral feels like having a stick that has razorblades glued on to it up your ass and when you try to take it out it cuts your hands so you just ask god to end it quicker
copper maple
But before that I lost numerous duels to warriors xD
dull bridge
dueling feral feels like having a stick that has razorblades glued on to it up y...
Jesus Christ man
minor cape
i dont like feral
spring bough
Time to try out Solo Shuffle and see if I push past 2200
I dropped a few hundred rating over the last week. Got back to 2215 last night. Tonight’s the night it’s gonna happen. After I get home from work. Elite time
obtuse venture
i cant push CR in SShuffle
spring bough
I hate chasing mages around lol
obtuse venture
dk what i do wrong
spring bough
Mages get deleted but run so much lol
copper maple
At least they don't zug zug you nonstop
vocal surge
yEP
whoops caps on
12mins of 16 estimate
Once I hit Elite
or lose too much
gonna go do homework
then cut weeds out front of yard
floral meadow
Now i want to buy the chest piece from the conquest vendor. It has either CRIT and VERS or HASTE and VERS.
but Vault Delver's Brigadine is CRIT and MASTERY.
How do i get this?
does this happen when i upgrade the chest conquest piece in the cataclyst?
floral meadow
okay
it's really confusing
so it does not even matter if i buy the crit/vers or haste/vers conquest piece?
spring bough
Nope either works to be converted
tardy magnet
what assa build should i be using in 2s with a holy pal?
floral meadow
thanks guys
copper maple
what assa build should i be using in 2s with a holy pal?
Is there more than one realistically?
naive plank
why there is no option for 2s in solo shuffle
copper maple
I realised that I also hate playing with MW monks.
Other healers have cooldowns to help me live longer when I'm getting trained.
Monks have cocoon.
wintry dew
why there is no option for 2s in solo shuffle
Nvm my previous answer. And 2s would be even more broken and unbalanced than it already is
copper maple
I've also had a moment where one got stunned together with me by dh and I died.
Cause he's fisting... I mean fistweaving
naive plank
Nvm my previous answer. And 2s would be even more broken and unbalanced than it ...
so what you are saying is 10 years later, blizz still balance PVP around 3s and that's it
wintry dew
Yes
wintry dew
Absolutely yes
naive plank
I genuinely thought they ditched this approach
copper maple
They should balance around smaller bgs
naive plank
then I will say something I said a long time ago
copper maple
Everyone knows that would be better 🙂
naive plank
the worst thing ever happened in this game is 3v3 arenas...
copper maple
Yeah cause every popular pvp game is objective based
Except like fighting games I guess
But can you call them popular?
naive plank
I miss the time where classes had distinct advantages and disadvantages
like who does not have a sprint like ability now?
copper maple
I can even sprint on priest lol
naive plank
I can even sprint on priest lol
my point exactly
the idea of having "classes" is so you can do things differently and you will have access to different kind of toolkit
at least they still haven't copied Vanish/Cloack of 90% of the other classes
spring bough
Maybe season 2 they can give SS 50 wins over 2400 a mount too. That would give me enough motivation to get over the hump
pale storm
Hoping the s2 DF gladiator tabard is black since the season in named Obsidian
vocal surge
Feel bad for the mage
in this lobby
hasn't won a single round
and paladin threw a free win
3-3, +26 rating
Demo - BM - Restro
Ret - Holy - Law
Demo lock
does so much damage
and its free stuns
scarlet shell
march of the demons
vocal surge
you mean
march of the nameplates
-48 rating
Demo Locks can take way too much damage
Toss Axe -> Mortal Coil -> Toss Axe (Second Felguard)
is also not a fun CC chain
naive plank
I got back 3 weeks ago and really don't know If I want to continue play actively... It feels like I can't play casually and having a chance in pvp..
vocal surge
and not being able to CC their pet also sucks
spring bough
That Tyrant is the worst thing to see. Especially if stuns and kicks are on CD and you can’t get away it’s almost always GG
spring bough
Wait till they do tyrant onto of their new soul rip
spring bough
Oh they just popped a tyrant and reduced my healing received by 25% hella Gg
vocal surge
and you immediately drop by 50% in hp
and imp projectiles can hit you through Vanish
even if you're long gone
Like
There's multiple games
rounds*
where im LOSing the warlock
and im still getting shredded
even with my feint active
spring bough
I want to try this thistle tea outlaw ST build in pvp but modify it a lil bit for pvping. Seems like it could be good but would have to get used to having tea time lol
vocal surge
theorycraft moment?
spring bough
I keep going back and forth with it cause I think to get thistle I’d have to give up the wound talent. Don’t know if that’s worth it
And also acrobatic strikes
dull bridge
do you want thistle and dance?
vocal surge
Depends if theres a mortal strike in your team already
spring bough
Yeah it would be tea and dance. Don’t know if losing both those is worth it for tea
dull bridge
i played a dispatcher - thistle tea 7 CP build
feels good but probably around the same damage
spring bough
That tea ST build is a couple thousand DPS higher than the next ST build for outlaw pve but don’t know how that would translate
dull bridge
no find weakness gimps unfortunately for you to not go the dance path
vocal surge
Isn't it t he combo points your missing out on more?
vocal surge
Ye
spring bough
This is the build. Would have to modify it a bit
Ive been using float with 2/2 CTO over green skins and I feel like I do a hell of a lot more ambushes
dull bridge
This is the build. Would have to modify it a bit
this is so sad man
if you have to give up %75 of your utility and cc just to do competitive damage
maybe the tree is broken
scarlet shell
the budget sub rogue build
spring bough
Somehow that build does more ST damage than taking lethality don’t understand that lol
2k more lol
vocal surge
in PvE?
Having to redo my entire actionbar again
just to fit in some new abilities
I hate that I cant design my talent tree
without needing Fan the Hammer
vocal surge
ripe crag
This is the build. Would have to modify it a bit
This looks playable to me, actually.
There are times as outlaw where the fight has gone on so long that ive become energy starved, and I can see the thistle tea providing a decent dps boost to compensate for the loss in crit damage.
Big question about playstyle though... how does it feel not having the extra range on your melee attacks? I've based much of my outlaw playstyle around having more range than other melee classes, and being able to position where I can land globals and they cannot.
I've also landed many KB's while rooted, because my melee range was enough to seal the deal.
tribal badger
The problem with the tea build for pvp is
No acro is a crime in pvp
Cant imagine playing law with base melee range
spring bough
Haven’t tried it yet. But you can be energy starved without the right RTB buffs with the regular dance HO build
I went 2/2 CTO and that’s helped a ton. Usually get all the RTB buffs during every shadow dance with it
ripe crag
I went 2/2 CTO and that’s helped a ton. Usually get all the RTB buffs during eve...
I like the idea of giving up GW for CTO in the outlaw tree. Unsure about the Tea vs Acrobatic strikes on the rogue tree though.
I wish I could go test this out right now...
dull bridge
that tree also drops most of the mobility, both no acro and no mobility sounds like a bad time
hasty holly
playing without grappling hook sounds painful with no acro
vocal surge
dont forget less sprint uses
dull bridge
yeah if outlaw has something going for it's the absurd amount of mobility we have
hasty holly
it’s hard to go even with most other melee classes without cheesing the acro range imo
and without grappling hook it’s kite city
maiden quest
is there any world pvp at all ? if yes, where ?
copper maple
at pvp world quests mainly
vocal surge
Dont forget
without Acrobatic Strike
our Shiv also doesn't really allow us to attack other melees
while being out of their range
jolly sierra
outdoor zones where a fornite chest drops
i noticed
now u outlaws have all the spotlight
in this week lol
ripe crag
Any of ya'll have a line on PvP guilds that are recruiting in NA? I cannot find any on my server. I'm willing to play horde or alliance, and xfer servers.
ripe crag
outdoor zones where a fornite chest drops
Yeah. It's been my experience that those fights are super fun, if brief.
frigid spade
is there just some trick I'm missing?
Not sure if people missed this or if I'm being avoided lmao
vocal surge
rn going through some wacky withdrawal symptoms from WoW lol
Despite playing 3hrs, I got that urge to get back on alongside fatigue, boredom, and in general distracted
minor cape
Not sure if people missed this or if I'm being avoided lmao
we just have no clue
maybe they spam better
🤓
vocal surge
Not sure if people missed this or if I'm being avoided lmao
Depends
You can generally figure out where people are in stealth
Rogues and Hunters tend to move at a similar speed
Mages, Druids, and the others follow the same stealth speed
Assuming you generally know their speed
and the rate at which you can travel across the arena
you can determine the general point of position in each arena
There are also things to pay attention to
where traps are laid and the time it took from the start of the match to when it was planted within the Camouflage time span
flares are also a good indicator for hunter
Depending on the comp
Rogues tend to play careful against each other
Assuming double stealthies, the non-rogue stealthie will attack first
2nd follows close usually within Shadowstep reach
its safe to assume their in the same general direction their partner runs to when kiting yours
Sub and Sin both tend to run the same paths
while Outlaw is a gamble between a beeline or within the vicinity
Another thing to note is Dagger in the Dark Debuffs
If a rogue has Dagger in the Dark
that's pretty much your metal detector to allow you to find where the rogue is positioned
In this matchup (Frost DK and Hunter)
I pretty much bee-lined straight to the DK and sapped him
ran to opposite end of my starting position's bridge side and Blade flurried
vocal surge
For me, this is where hunters generally tend to be especially for the Spec im fighting against
But his actual position was down the ramp where I sapped DK off to the side
vocal surge
Why so much red
tryna keep it thematic w. my set lol
copper maple
Does anyone feel like rogue talent tree is quite restrictive?
vocal surge
In PvP ye
copper maple
Like I wish there was a way to grab Subterfuge without Shadowrunner
vocal surge
also Outlaw's forced to go Fan the Hammer
copper maple
would be nice to have more links there
vocal surge
Its the only way to really activate Audacity procs
copper maple
the bottom talents have no connections, you have to go 1 of the 3 ways, no options
for example, look at priests bottom talents
there're so many possibilities
an in general, a lot of links across the tree
vocal surge
Not sure if people missed this or if I'm being avoided lmao
Also if you want to know your current speed, I have this macro that I use to see if the speed im gaining is meaningful or not
/script cur, run, fly, swim = GetUnitSpeed("player")
/script ChatFrame1:AddMessage(string.format("Your current maximal speeds are: running %g%%, flying %g%%, swimming %g%%.", run/base*100, fly/base*100, swim/base*100))```The devs reinforcing the class icons as our talent trees actively hurts class balancing
copper maple
not sure what you meant there
vocal surge
The shape the talent trees make
copper maple
I dont think the shape matters
just link some more talents together without making it game breaking
vocal surge
Ye
dull bridge
looks like Mathias shaw
copper maple
I just sat 36 min of queue, needed to take a quick piss.
dull bridge
outlaw is Edwin vanCleef , sin is valeera
pale storm
dull bridge
all damage reduced by 3%
copper maple
I don't think rets are too imbalanced atm
dull bridge
i disagree
vocal surge
They are
super imbalanced
lmao
Even in PvE
5 ret paladins can complete a +21 M+ key
vocal surge
tribal badger
cause shield of vengence is not the issue in pvp at all 
30% 1m cd usable while stunned wall
is a bit more of the issue in pvp
but then i saw lightforged blessing and realized this is just more pve nerfs so w/e
vocal surge
There's literally no reason to focus target a paladin lol
because they're way too tanky to kill
minor cape
well pre rework there was actually
copper maple
Just kill someone else
minor cape
There's literally no reason to focus target a paladin lol
thats the thing
you cant focus them you cant cc them cant do shit
copper maple
If you have a priest I'd say you can try
minor cape
if you go another target they support em
copper maple
To kill them
copper maple
Rets at my mmr don't know what support is
minor cape
lets way for pvp changes
copper maple
They learn it when they reach glad
minor cape
wait*
copper maple
I remember a game where a ret could've bop warrior to save him, but he used it on himself and we lost. The next game he uses it on the other dps while I'm dying as a healer and we lose again.
That's the average ret for me.
minor cape
it doesnt even matter what they do they can still outpve you
🥹
every time
why even peel if you do nuclear bomb dam
vocal surge
Imagine 3s
all paladins running that Lightforged Blessing
and spamming Divine Storm for healing
minor cape
its like playing against 4 people
lets hope those nerf are enough
still some survivability reductiob
i guess
pale storm
Devs are ret mains confirmed
minor cape
god i wish devs were all sub mains
i played a game called star wars the old republic before wow and lead dev's main was busted every patch
wise breach
They may not win AWC, but they will definitely warp it
Could see people running mage lock to try to counter
vocal surge
watch it be all paladins and rsham
wise breach
i played a game called star wars the old republic before wow and lead dev's main...
Huttball is still the best BG I've ever played
Wish WoW had just cloned it
minor cape
dude what im so glad this game doesnt have its own hutball
its ass
😤
better than pandaria orbs tho
wise breach
Lol, I don't know, I loved it so much back when SWTOR first launched, was all I played
minor cape
i liked arena but they removed ranked so now im here
i liked that it was 4dps arena
so fun
and it was balanced around 4dps i think
chrome schooner
if they had kept the multiplayer aspect of the game alive, it would be a really cool game
sadly they decided to go the story way
which is nice, they have cool stories
minor cape
true, and story is not good anymore
chrome schooner
but you can feel that any endgame content feels horribly lacking
chrome schooner
ye I mean for sure these are better, still there are nice arcs after
minor cape
but you can feel that any endgame content feels horribly lacking
its a meme now
chrome schooner
but they will most likely never match the original 8 class stories
minor cape
they literally post 2 shitty dungeons a year
🥹
and 10 minutes of story every 4 months
and balance is bad
in swtor a hotfix like wow's ones is posted every half a year too
minor cape
yup
unfortunately
i loved this game
😢
the whole mythical space vibe
and locations and story and pvp
rip
ripe crag
Is this the qq channel?
Aside from the hot topic of how OP rets are. I have a question for ya'll
-
What class and spec do find most favorable to go up agaisnt in SS? Is there any one that pops out and you say, "this is a win"?
-
Aside from Ret what class and spec makes your butthole pucker when they are on the other team?
unborn portal
spring bough
log on, que, stand up to go do some stuff around the house, and the que pops already. did rogue just become a healer? lol
unborn portal
it tries to not pair you with mirrors of the same class; not many rogues playing, bound to get games faster 🙂
spring bough
yeah i spoke too soon someone declined and its back to waiting lol
quasi haven
can yall tell me why people pick master assassin or is that just a nelf thing?
in the assa tree
potent pivot
can yall tell me why people pick master assassin or is that just a nelf thing?
not a lot of good options. it's not just a nelf thing generally
quasi haven
huh
ive been trying different builds for fun since ive hit a wall
can the execute build work at all?
spring bough
first que of the day 2400 priest going 0-6 and I get 10 rating off 3 wins lol
potent pivot
can the execute build work at all?
it can, but i don't believe it is any more optimal than the most popular builds
worthy crag
are ppl still actively queueing sub or nah
spring bough
second que of the day boomy DCs and gets out of the game when he is at 1% and we dont get a win. think this is a sign to stop playing today LOL
upbeat kernel
So, seems that it's not a great time to play assass in solo shuffle
spring bough
not a great time for rogue in general seems like lol
upbeat kernel
if theres a ret on the other team, I just feel useless lmao
and there's always at least one lol
spring bough
third que 2 fistweavers for healers. yeah im done for the day lol
graceful ravine
Have you tried ret pally?
spring bough
this monk 2 milly damage 4 milly healing and outhealed the holy pal lol
upbeat kernel
yeah ret is disgusting lmao
tribal badger
also go ret if u wanna play 1 game every 1.5 hours
been queued since i got home 3 hours ago
ive played 2 games so far
wary spire
3%
icy gale
Primarily a PvE player and never really done any PvP. Can you get the 1800 set from this season next season if you get to the correct rating?
Or do I need to gear and learn and then push 1800 in the next 5 weeks?
icy gale
Is it even reasonable to attempt?
surreal barn
Do or do not. There is no try.
If you’ve got the hours to play then yeah I don’t see why not. If it doesn’t work out then you’re much farther ahead at getting the next elite set
icy gale
Not the elite I want. Just the purple one.
Is going in without trinkets to start just troll or should I do some random BGs toget the honor ones first?
low moon
its a pretty big boost
man, what do we do between solo que's here, this is ridiculous 😦
waxen meteor
There’s literally no reason to play without trinket
icy gale
Well I don't have them soooo...
waxen meteor
Item lv424 item is worse than a previous expansion trinket
icy gale
My question was is it worth to go do SS without or random BGs first.
low moon
i mean pick up the weekly pvp quest and knock it out prob gives you enough for one
you might actually be able to get crafted ones now that i think about it, hang on
icy gale
I know literally 0 about PvP.
waxen meteor
Start with bg
low moon
yeah you can, on the AH look for crimson combatant's medallion
waxen meteor
Going solo without knowing anything is horrible
low moon
icy gale
Ah sweet. Cheers.
pale storm
buy the green pvp gear off AH, you can get trinkets and everything, then spam BGs and do pvp quests, do the world pvp quests and the sparks quests, buy drakebreaker daggers, then start pvping, 2s, solo shuffle etc
icy gale
I'm 417 in my PvE gear. Is it worth dropping that much ilvl even with the pvp ilvl boost?
waxen meteor
Could start with 1on1
pale storm
you want pvp gear for the vers and you need the trinekts for the set bonus - since you pve you may have decent tier gear though, if high ilvl tier you can wear that depenbding on spec
scarlet shell
start with BGs
icy gale
I'm sitting at 20% vers.
scarlet shell
if you are horde, great!
icy gale
Guess I need more though.
scarlet shell
if you are alliance, you will hate your life
waxen meteor
Tbh alliance bg is way easier
At least in NA at night
But anyway
I think 1on1 is easier to start pvp
scarlet shell
EU horde are either tryhards or russian premades
actually forget what I said
make a Premade
waxen meteor
Going 10 on 10 gang bang you hardly learn anything
scarlet shell
dont solo queue its suicide
waxen meteor
1on1 I mean duel out of org etc
icy gale
Just need to find a premade to take on a total noob then.
scarlet shell
World PvP: You MUST be in a 5
waxen meteor
You can als watch others play
icy gale
And spend time dueling.
scarlet shell
if you world pvp alone you are gonna get ganged up trust me
icy gale
I just want the purple tmog xD
scarlet shell
but thats if you want to get 421 ilvl to make life a little easy
waxen meteor
My hunter is already almost full conquer 424 in arena
Reached lv70 like an hour ago
So easy
icy gale
You can als watch others play
Who would you recommend watching?
waxen meteor
I don’t know who is outside of your town dueling everyday
If you want to watch YouTuber probably pikaboo
But you need class 101
He teaches phd
icy gale
Oh you meant in game. I thought you meant stream.
Ye. Last time I did any PvP was wrath. Doubt any of it applies now so 101 is right.
ripe crag
Who would you recommend watching?
I'm going to second watching Pikaboo to learn rogue PvP. He is the best to learn from. He has great videos on breakdowns, but also just watch his games. He talks about what key abilities he is waiting for the enemy to use, and precalls his own abilities before he casts them. He has Grand Master game knowledge, and shares openly.
As far as getting into PvP where you are at now, just go in with your PvP gear into bgs for now. Get your trinkets, then start queuing solo shuffle and learning the game. Don't worry about your rating so much right now. It's going to be your PvP sense, and game knowledge holding you back more than your PvP gear at your iLevel. Just learn as much as you can, ask questions and keep improving until next season
Good luck!
spring bough
doing something like this smashing a round makes me love outlaw pvp then a couple rounds later doing nothing and getting smoked lol
icy gale
Thanks for all the answers folks.
icy gale
I just realised I got the sets mixed up. The one I want doesn't require rating.
Just conquest.
I'm such an idiot.
I thought the purple one was 1800 and the red one was 2400 with the mount.
wintry dew
Have you tried ret pally?
I WAS THE RET but i literally have no experience other than 1 week of queus
The broken part of the class took me to 2200 for now
Idk if I'm dreaming too high trying to reach glad in SS, but worth the try i guess
graceful ravine
have you tried.... double ret?
spring bough
i heard triple ret is where its at lol
dull bridge
doing something like this smashing a round makes me love outlaw pvp then a coupl...
looks like you showed those imps who's the boss my brother
spring bough
looks like you showed those imps who's the boss my brother
all that flurry dmg lol
jolly sierra
https://twitter.com/bigmoranirl/status/1643393653639880704?s=46&t=6N9-eUAWtCZNa3...
cmon blizz we are the lesser evil
let us come back
jolly sierra
I'm going to second watching Pikaboo to learn rogue PvP. He is the best to lea...
no, pikaboo is a extremely good player but an awful teacher
watch shadenox, is a multiglad which has guides and games with comments, always can get something from there
unborn portal
the most pointless lobby for everyone; except me 
https://gyazo.com/6133c2b5ef8e71d4f1211e66d5f38f82
(priest not rogue btw)
lmao
ripe crag
no, pikaboo is a extremely good player but an awful teacher
I strongly disagree, but everyone has different learning styles.
I would say that Pikaboo certainly isn't a single 100% to mastering the game resource. I need led to do a lot of research on my own to find value and learn to understand his commentary. But his commentary has been the highest tier I've found so far once I was ready to interpret what was happening in the game, and what he was saying.
Going to check put your other suggestion as well though.
ripe crag
the most pointless lobby for everyone; except me <:evilKEK:756708443653668995> h...
Hahaha. Grats! Be the change you want to see in the rating. 🙏🙏
jolly sierra
I strongly disagree, but everyone has different learning styles.
I would say ...
pikaboo can do very weird stuff with builds and being yolo in shuffle matches, he is mostly for entertainment, not for mainly learn
his guides also are very flawed, for example he said go athrophic poison overall for melee matches instead mind-numbing pre nerf
numbing was strong even in melee matches cuz it worked with both shiv and reducing haste in everyone
however can agree can be a good guide when he makes comments in viewer matches
ripe crag
Eh. Yeah. I hear you. He's certainly not a one stop shop for all the info for a total newbie.
Since you mentioned it, and I'm relatively new.... Do you know of any lists of what PvP effects Shiv can actually dispel? I've not found anything yet, and I've not locked down a single effect yet.
Also, what do you mean about pre nerf. It looks like Numbing poison still reduces attack speed by 18% from what I can tell from the tooltip. Am I interpreting something wrong?
jolly sierra
all enrage effects, like fury warrior ones
numbing is nerfed in pvp like by 66%, so is 66% weaker when is used against players
ripe crag
numbing is nerfed in pvp like by 66%, so is 66% weaker when is used against play...
Well then. I did not know that... is there a comprehensive source that is up to date on how talents and abilities interact in PvP vs the tool tip?
Aside from scrolling through years of patch notes posts...?
I try to keep up on the parch notes since I returned to playing. But have only been back about a month.
ripe crag
https://drustvar.com/pvp-spells
Thank you so much for taking the time to send a link. This does not show up in any google searches I've tried.
waxen meteor
277 rogues vs 7992 pallys
look at dh
lol
class dismissed
i did some 3s with my ret at 1900ish mmr
all 3 of us played with alt
was funny, we run into like only 2 teams without ret
we raped them, and my teammate was like, man, they logged on wrong character to play 3 or what
jolly sierra
these stats are crazy lol
tier 0
waxen meteor
you can totally tell DH's position from their discord
nobody talks about game
tbh i think warrior got 4147 mainly because ret wants a teammate with MS
jolly sierra
what tf are talking they rn in their pvp thread?
dull bridge
Thank you so much for taking the time to send a link. This does not show up in ...
No worries brother
waxen meteor
what tf are talking they rn in their pvp thread?
it was purely diablo for days
jolly sierra
warrior is good for zugzug shit and are not too nerfed
waxen meteor
then became gay pictures
jolly sierra
XDDDDDDDDDDDD
waxen meteor
i checked there like once a week or sth
there's literally nothing worth reading
and i do mean real gay pics
jolly sierra
they have remaining the furry porn pictures and they are done in their coping phasing
jolly sierra
still weird af to just post gay pictures in a pvp channel
they are coping a lot tho lol
waxen meteor
but it's like there are in average 3 glads in one lobby now
and i mean only the ones riding hte mount
jolly sierra
always happens
waxen meteor
who knows if there is anyone just riding something else randomly
jolly sierra
that glads
jolly sierra
how are u in CR right now?
waxen meteor
still 2200ish
did some queues last 3 days
wasn't able to push much higher
i didn't reach 2300
once reached 2370ish MMR but got a 1-5
jolly sierra
are u using final veredict or justicar vengeance?
if u use veredict w the 4 point talent u can delete ppl by 200k crits in wings tho
waxen meteor
lol i am annoyed for myself
i did a 5-1 lobby just now
after 4 games, i felt nobody ever went on me
so i swapped talent and gear a bit for more dps
then i died
jolly sierra
kek
can relate, today i went to a yugioh tournament and was fucked cuz i went cocky in the round i shouldn't
was perfectly winnable and fucked everything by myself
copper maple
these stats are crazy lol
So few DHs yet I got a double dh lobby recently 😀
nova pulsar
hey for outlaw pvp, do we use main-hand dagger and off hand sword?
nova pulsar
ohhh, so dagger in OH?
jolly sierra
dunno beyond that
nova pulsar
ohh, i vaguely remember something like this being the case in SL s3 or s4
vocal surge
you can use offhand daggers as Outlaw
