I wouldn't touch sub until they rework hardiness tbh
#pvp
copper maple
minor cape
i dont mind warriors
copper maple
seein the direction they go with cc changes, I still have hope
minor cape
its just the insane power of ret
copper maple
I did some random bgs on rogue for travelere's log and realised one thing. No matter what I'm rerolling for arena, rogue is still the most fun everywhere outside it
like bgs or wpvp
I'm not gonna have any fun on disc doing pvp wqs or random bgs for example
but I'd totally enjoy sweating my ass trying to ninja a base in a random arathi or something
bloody love it 😄
copper maple
my only issue with rbgs is it being hard to gather a group for
I'd love smaller bgs with smaller teams be the main pvp mode in wow, that'd be fun
objectives are always more fun than "go kill healer zug zug "
minor cape
why is it hard?
minor cape
habe you tried premade groups
copper maple
lfg is a mess often
minor cape
its quicker than shuffle
copper maple
i've only managed a couple rbgs there in my life
only cause of weekly quest in shadowlands
minor cape
i didnt have any trouble
with lfg 🤔
dont worry about joining those high exp groups 
they are just 1500 players who want to be carried
copper maple
maybe I'll try someday
but my game time ends in a week and I don't feel like paying more for now
jolly sierra
gratz, try getting 1800 too w rog if u can in end of season, for the xmog at least
remember, is just available for the season
vocal surge
That reminds me of a time in SL
where I had a friend help me in 3s
and we had this 2.4k XP healer come in
and proceed to die to a warrior on them
and complain that I suck (this is while I was practicing survival hunter, fairly new to the class)
and our counter argument was him being 2.4k dying to a single warrior when other druids in +1.8k can handle 2
jolly sierra
tier 0
grand haven
dull bridge
yo I'd play the shit out of a 6v6 battleground, team fortress 2 style. 1 healer per team, limited to max of 2 of each class per team, just objective capture or payload
i guess that's pretty much overwatch
tribal bay
my only issue with rbgs is it being hard to gather a group for
yea coz bg boring af
tribal bay
yo I'd play the shit out of a 6v6 battleground, team fortress 2 style. 1 healer ...
only if they drop me out of a plane (NOT a fking zeplin)
graceful ravine
only if they drop me out of a plane (NOT a fking zeplin)
also make the map smaller
copper maple
gratz, try getting 1800 too w rog if u can in end of season, for the xmog at lea...
The dps queues suck though
jolly sierra
The dps queues suck though
the price of the success
copper maple
Sure if I go 32-15 like I did on my disc, I might get the same amount of rating in a week (took me one day on disc though).
But there's no chance I'm gonna get such winrate on assa rog right now
Also to me some of the pve recolours of this season's sets look better 😛
copper maple
I would more likely give it a shot if I was a ret main instead 😄
minor cape
Also to me some of the pve recolours of this season's sets look better 😛
yes BUT red ones look sick with a spider
mount
copper maple
I don't like red colour much
Green and blue are my favourite
The only times I had red transmogs were Whitemane-like set on priest (back when it was human) and some res mog ob warrior to fit the aggramar sword
naive plank
T2 sets are to this day one the best looking items in the entire game
especially rogue T2
wintry dew
When did you start playing?
naive plank
When did you start playing?
On and Off since vanilla. Why?
wintry dew
Because usually we veteran players prefer older tiers to new ones, especially bloodfang
tardy magnet
yo, this might be a dumb question but does getting poly'd take you out of combat? e.g. you get poly'd, can you trinket it and restealth?
wintry dew
If you wait 6 seconds yes
tardy magnet
ahhh okay, thank you
wintry dew
Tldr don't do it
tardy magnet
yeah 💀
naive plank
Because usually we veteran players prefer older tiers to new ones, especially bl...
if they give a visual update to them(so they don't look like stuck in 2004) i'll wear bloodfang forever
copper maple
I bet there would be people complaining if that happens
Haven't played around wod, but I recall there were complaints about new models
But since there's classic wow, there's always a place to stare at 2004 looking stuff
dull bridge
people always gonna be complaining about something
copper maple
It's in our nature xD
jolly sierra
i prefer t3 tbh
that face mask w blue eyes looks intimidating af, like u were undead
the t2 is very overused imo
spring bough
i prefer t3 tbh
Original T3 best set in the game
Been trying to collect it on my new account thru the black market and it’s taking forever lol
copper maple
Stop talking in rich, I don't understand 😦
Anyway, ulduar sets are best
And t9 alliance, the one used by Shaw
jolly sierra
me neither, my head is fkn wide
copper maple
Idk why mog helm. There're these cool head customizations on many races
Why hide em
Also I googled rogue tier sets to remind myself what they look like and came across this cursed image
jolly sierra
dunno, i had a love in the air rose which i always use when is available
but blizzard decided to keep it for just that date REEEEEEEEEE
copper maple
They made draenei rogue possible together with tauren, didn't they
Still feels wrong
copper maple
Tell that to tauren
waxen meteor
s2?
copper maple
S2?
waxen meteor
isn't that s2 glad pvp set?
waxen meteor
yeah
copper maple
Corporate needs you to find the differences
Anyway, when is night elf heritage armour coming? I'd love that.
jolly sierra
They made draenei rogue possible together with tauren, didn't they
just sounds like a horse walking for the road, unless they use magic to make themselves silent dunno how tf can be stealthy
tawny kestrel
season ends in a month btw
scarlet shell
may 2nd yeah
wise breach
I guess I'm a Survival Hunter main in S2
tawny kestrel
chances of any changes to anything before a new patch prob not too high
so its a gg for rogues
scarlet shell
yeah M+ changes are locked down
tawny kestrel
for this season anyway
scarlet shell
entanglings gonna be so bruh
but whatever, i am excited for the priest and rogue set appearances thats all i want.
wicked rampart
RIP for not pushing rogue early lol
wise breach
There's bound to be a PTR build very soon with lots of rogue updates, right? 
wise breach
There's gotta be one more tuning pass after AWC
Tbh I don't even care about that, I'm more worried about S2 prospects
Things... don't look good
wicked rampart
I mean I won't rule it out since this has definitely been an exceptional patch with the amount of tuning changes they have made
But at this point it would just make more sense for them to focus on overall 10.1 tuning
wise breach
Though maybe we're better off being utter dogshit to begin the season
I'm also disappointed at zero talent changes for us
jolly sierra
maybe they thought we were neutered enough to do something
wise breach
Doesn't impact PvP much, but they murdered Kingsbane in 10.0.5, was expecting some rework there
Or to Exsanguinate
jolly sierra
so no changes
the real question is
how many time will we become viable again? don't thing the entire next season will be shitty for us if there is no changes
lucid citrus
I don’t even know what to play now lol
chrome schooner
Ret
scarlet shell
ret and pray that AWC does not show how busted it is so it wont get nerfed (it will be overrepresented)
copper maple
Being fotm isn't fun
jaunty spear
Guys, is assa with shadowdance and Master assassin viable?
jolly sierra
awc will kill ret
tribal badger
these queues need to happen faster so i can hit my 2400 and be done with ret
i just wanna finish unlocking weapon appearences
maybe ret nerfs will make ele playable again so i can just hit it on that
jolly sierra
gl, will take like 1 hour each queue
graceful ravine
10.1 is May 2
tribal badger
OOF
minor cape
yeah dude
double prot pally is free win
for rogue
my first 6-0 shuffle was in a double prot lobby where i would just sap paladin and one shot the dude with least defensives
copper maple
only lost the last one when the warrior did spin-to-win me out of stealth
jolly sierra
double prot is extremely easy cuz the protadins usually are negletctful af
so u can just cc the val'kyr and kill the main target
and they usually just focus in hit instead heal
copper maple
didn't gain much since my mmr was in a dumpster
cause I stopped playing after a loss streak
surreal barn
I’m ready just end the season now
quaint cedar
copper maple
the next one isn't looking much better yet
surreal barn
New season => showing a ladder with rogues getting shat on => new changes. Bring it baby.
Or we just bottom feed.
Right now the overall stats for rogue look decent but we just haven’t been queuing our mains lol
quaint cedar
Maybe. Idk it's just sad that other classes get to be excited about the pvp talent revamp and we just get told to go pound sand
It's not like blizzard does stuff with pvp talents that often. Guess we'll have to wait until next expac
jolly sierra
nah, is not that bad
usually they took pity when a class in pvp is underperforming
and buff the stuff
surreal barn
They’ll be doing something along with the cc nerfs. Prob give us +20% more gloom dmg
copper maple
give more survivability
quaint cedar
Yeah the entire rogue class is dogwater right now and 10.1 is going to make it even worse
Usually blizzard doesn't let an entire class just suck so maybe we'll get something
Still though May 2nd doesn't leave a lot of time and I'm not sure they are going to bother with major changes after that
copper maple
you don't get it guys, blind-sap combo was always busted!!!
quaint cedar
It'll be like
Backstab damage increased by 20%
Sinister Strike damage increased by 15%
Envenom damage increased by 15%
copper maple
you have to trinket blind it's so op daaamn
scarlet shell
anyways i am going to hop onto my Demonology warlock bc clearly we are close to a pet meta
quaint cedar
I made a post on the 10.1 PTR forums with suggestions on what to do with outlaw in pvp
Link in case anyone wants to see
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/outlaw-rogue-needs-help-pvp/1560936
Hopefully someone at blizzard reads it
And does something
All rogue specs are going to be in trouble in 10.1
surreal barn
I’ll queue outlaw when they rename it combat and lose RTB
copper maple
never been a fan of rtb tbh
quaint cedar
RTB felt alright before the pistol shot combo points from fan were nerfed
Now it feels like broadsides has way too much value
Doesn't help that 2 of the 6 possible buffs are total trash
scarlet shell
unnerf fan the hammer then
only got nerfed bc it was an outlier on the raiding charts
tribal badger
i think the nerf was more aimed at playstyle if anything
quaint cedar
Yeah I agree
tribal badger
the fth was less then a 2% dps nerf
scarlet shell
it was a wide af bar lmao
tribal badger
it was tiny
was 1.4% iirc total
they wanted to gameplay to change more
especially via buffs
scarlet shell
outlaw really shredded raiding and m+ damn...
tribal badger
now instead of just going builder > spender for 90% of the rotation you go double builder spender more often
and broadside actually changes the rotation
obviously it was a pve nerf aimed to make the pve gameplay different as well
not saying it needed those things in pvp
quaint cedar
I honestly wouldn't care if rtb got deleted. Since they decided to keep it though, would sure be nice if a third of the buffs didn't suck
scarlet shell
roll the bones needs more consistency bc some of its rolls are terrabad
but thats the gambling life.
quaint cedar
It felt great in Shadowlands
quaint cedar
You were never really stuck with a bad roll
scarlet shell
and i get 5 rolls its so thrilling
quaint cedar
Count the odds would give you the other buffs even if you rolled bad
tribal badger
tbf the rolls are fairly balanced rn, the only really bad one is GM
and GM makes u pretty tanky in pvp (still die in a stun xd) cause its leech isnt nerfed
quaint cedar
No buried treasure is useless too
tribal badger
BT is the second strongest buff pure ST damage wise
which sorta matters in pvp
but 🤷
it doesnt feel as good i agree
quaint cedar
That's news to me
tribal badger
i mean u probably dont notice how often u run out of energy when pumping someone ST even in a proc loop
quaint cedar
I always heard even from the pve folks that buried treasure is useless
tribal badger
but u do, BT makes that dissapear
nope BT, broadside, TB all fairly close strength
only outlier is SnC is the strongest by far
and GM is useless xd
quaint cedar
Idk I think that's a lot less relevant in pvp where you get micro CC'd so much that your energy regenerates a bit anyways
scarlet shell
grand melee is so awkward but whatever
tribal badger
ya that could be, i still dont think BT is useless, tbh u dont really notice RtB variance nearly as much in pvp
quaint cedar
I never felt like buried treasure was noticeable when I have it vs when I don't
tribal badger
even SnC doesnt feel as strong because law gets so much base proc chance from ur pvp talent
(bring back 15% stamina btw)
copper maple
They need to do something to bring more healers into the game
40 min queue vs instant pop is ridiculous
fiery hinge
Buff sub rogue main abilities such as shadowstrike/evisc relying on a cheese one shot isnt fun gameplay
copper maple
this alone makes we wanna quit any dps class or spec
quaint cedar
DF has been so awful for healers
Everything is a pve damage race with ridiculous dampening and MS
On top of that only 1 or 2 healing specs are ever viable at once
So you are constantly rerolling
copper maple
I've still managed to get a better result on a healer alt. Cause at least I can play the damn game
tribal badger
idk eary season felt like prevoker was good but not overbearing to face (as a dps)
but then they started buffing healers past where prevoker was
and everytime they did it just made that healer absolute pain to face
disc priest doing 50k dps for a week
now MW does that but also does 150k hps without spending mana
quaint cedar
First it was rdruid and prevoker, then disc only, and now just rsham and fistweaver
tribal badger
rshaman doesnt cast a single non hex the entire game
😴
thing is, prevoker and rdruid never even really got nerfed? prevoker got mana nerfs ig
but both r still fine
they just arent overbearing like rsham/fw
which makes me think they were never actually toxic to face
quaint cedar
Well rdruid did get nerfed a lot actually
Prevoker gets fucked by purge which is prevelant since disc was OP and now rsham is OP
tribal badger
did it i dont remember all that much healer nerfing other then a few wacky 1 shots
like rsham LB early in the season
quaint cedar
Yeah some throughput nerfs early on plus their talent trees get changed every patch for the worse
scarlet shell
i have not see a single devoker since launch
tribal badger
oh u mean the talent reshufling
scarlet shell
they are either the most cracked in pvp or are literally paper
tribal badger
devoker is like a ranged warrior with no utility that cant kite and also is squishy
they just always do a lot of damage
but its all hardcasts
tribal badger
and they have a massive CD go but its also like the most telegraphed go in the game
scarlet shell
and i only saw one in all of my solo shuffle games
tribal badger
ive seen 3 total, they do decent dam
quaint cedar
Yeah devoker is trash
tribal badger
but they r squishy and easy to shut down
prevoker is still decent honestly, the issue is they overnerfed its mana
quaint cedar
Probably the only spec worse than rogue right now lol
tribal badger
so it just autoloses in mana to every other healer rn
tribal badger
which isnt a huge weakness in soloq since games rarely go long enough
for healers to oom anyway
(or werent a few weeks ago, games r def getting longer as hybrid meta comes in)
scarlet shell
lmao, the poster child of the expansion and they just suck in pvp combat
i probably was not the only one who was thinking they would be the most busted at the start then nerfed to nonexistence
tribal badger
again prevokers fine rn honestly
im still going 3/3 4/3 at 2600 mmr on mine
its just not as strong as rsham or FW becuase they got massive boofs
scarlet shell
was talking about devoker
tribal badger
oh yea i mean devokers just like, an afterthought
idk if uve tried to play one
feels like ur missing half ur spells
scarlet shell
obvs Prevoker is really strong
scarlet shell
dream breath, emerald communion
quaint cedar
Yeah I thought devoker was pretty lame tbh
scarlet shell
they are like rdruid on roids
quaint cedar
Barely any depth
tribal badger
if they had 40 yard range they might be fun in bgs
quaint cedar
No spells
tribal badger
because they do do hella damage
in random spikes
but 25 yard range means u cant even play safe in teamfights
and ur spells r super flashy so u get honed in on instantly
quaint cedar
I don't get it either
In pve they take cheat death anyways
So it's not a pve thing
scarlet shell
blizzard believes they should be a invisible glasscannon
rn we are just invisible XDD
quaint cedar
At one point in beta we were going to be able to have both cheat death and elusiveness at the same time, so elusiveness was nerfed. But then those talents got made into a single choice node, and elusiveness stayed nerfed
tribal badger
eh classic issues
quaint cedar
🤷♂️
tribal badger
early in expac rogue was overtuned in everything
too much damage, too much control, too much tankiness 4free in the tree
so they nerfed all the tankiness across the board
instead of smol steps
quaint cedar
Yup and now we're made of paper lol
jolly sierra
there is not mid point
scarlet shell
then they forgot outlaw should be tanky and now i have to play a budget Sub rogue build.
quaint cedar
Even sub rogue is budget sub rogue now lol
scarlet shell
at this point, we have to pray that blizzard can slip in something before the changes get fully locked down before May 2.
but i am assuming they are already locked down
quaint cedar
I think it's safe to assume that if we don't see any major changes with this week's ptr update that we won't be getting any major changes in 10.1
quaint cedar
We could see numbers adjustments but we won't get anything new like everyone else did
scarlet shell
sub and assa should be high damage, low armor
outlaw should be mid damage, slightly high armor.
i am still a rogue at heart but i want to duel with my one handed swords and shoot my guns
quaint cedar
Same here man. I don't even want to be S+ tier, just let me be decent
I just want to be able to fight a warrior and not get squished in 2 seconds flat
jolly sierra
if cant be tanky then at least increase our healings xdd
copper maple
I want to disarm bladestorm 🙂
quaint cedar
I feel more like I'm playing as an annoying mosquito than a badass pirate
copper maple
I keep doing it instinctively cause it worked like that before
And feel dumb cause it doesnt anymore
pale storm
Does season end 5/1 then and new one starts 5/2? Haven’t played a retail season since legion
pale storm
thanks
scarlet shell
I feel more like I'm playing as an annoying mosquito than a badass pirate
unironically correct
rogue rn feels super annoying but completely destroyable
minor cape
Same here man. I don't even want to be S+ tier, just let me be decent
same
id rather be b+ tier all the time than s one day and shit another
jaunty spear
so wait the new season on 9th of may is the S2 launch of pvp pve ?
jolly sierra
yes
tribal badger
usually theres a week break between seasons (sometimes 2)
but season will almost certainly end on the 2nd
theyll announce season end 1-2 weeks ahead of time anyway
jolly sierra
are u all done with ur goals?
waxen meteor
no
wicked rampart
theyll announce season end 1-2 weeks ahead of time anyway
Already announced https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-mythic-and-pvp-season-1-ending-soon-332276?webhook
jolly sierra
<:PlatypusCosplayingAsBeaver:836584422412517397> no
hurry up, u are still in time
fuck forgot to get the curve from raszageth
surreal barn
I took someone into shadow duel last shuffle
He just stood there like what you gonna do
jolly sierra
maybe had a rog as main and knew sub is nerfed af
keen dune
What’s the best spec rn I’ve been away
surreal barn
Ret
potent pivot
What’s the best spec rn I’ve been away
if i was forced to pick i'd say outlaw > sin > sub, at least that's how it feels in my personal opinion
jolly sierra
ret
potent pivot
i wouldn't focus too much on which spec is best, they're all viable to their own degree
scarlet shell
they are all playable
just that rogue is so awkward rn as a class
and its gonna get much worse in 10.1
jolly sierra
ret elite? thought u didn't reached it yet
waxen meteor
oh, ret i am fine
it's just a nice to have
honestly i think i don't worth ret 2400
at least i should build some macros
and i didn't
jolly sierra
kk, tbh im just farming plants rn
waxen meteor
jolly sierra
after the 2k4 everything become free
wise breach
I should try to get elite on a class that can get me the remaining elite weapons
waxen meteor
everyone still plays in solo now has glad mount lol
wise breach
Which I guess is ret...
jolly sierra
without feeling i need to do something else
jolly sierra
I should try to get elite on a class that can get me the remaining elite weapons
try a warrior
waxen meteor
I think I did a lobby todya at 2350
jolly sierra
i recall a surv at 1k6 with a glad legion mount
waxen meteor
I am the only one without glad mount
jolly sierra
was bad af
wise breach
My warrior is level 52 
waxen meteor
jolly sierra
he ended 2-4 and just insulted ppl after round 2
waxen meteor
Yeah my second lobby today is same
Heal Druid insults everyone trash form round3
He ended up 06
But claimed everyone trash
waxen meteor
It’s double ret + demo + bm + monk other than himself
Surely it’s not an easy on e
But no need to insult everyone when you are getting 06
jolly sierra
just go next round and try again
but always happens
i recalled a guy which just trashtalked an enh sham
he called to go for him
then later the guy dies insta as healer
was funny to see, even if i lose that round
waxen meteor
It’s really embarrassing to say others trash when you are getting 0-5 ish…
dull bridge
are u all done with ur goals?
got 1800 in 2 brackets as healer on my first season healing, I'm happy with that
waxen meteor
got 1800 in 2 brackets as healer on my first season healing, I'm happy with that
Good for you!
jolly sierra
got 1800 in 2 brackets as healer on my first season healing, I'm happy with that
nice, nice
spring bough
somedays these solo q's are amazing and others its like getting deleted by some wild combos in about 10-15seconds lol
waxen meteor
Some lobbies are hard for some classes spec
Like I said earlier had a lobby of double ret demo bm
Imagine a sin replacing one ret
worthy crag
so do we know the cutoff qualifications for solo shuffle
tribal badger
sheeeesh still getting 60 points a lobby at 2100
slender cliff
is any of the 3 specs good in pvp?
tribal badger
ya u can still
it depends how knowledgable about pvp u are honestly
id say 1800 still isnt hard if thats ur regular rating levels (esp soloq)
if ur a first timer its def a bit rough rn tho
jolly sierra
the real question at least for me is
will week 1 of s2 be too hard to get 1k8?
with all the bullying we need to endure there?
tribal badger
jolly sierra
if glad won't be that gatekept w people maybe would do a shot in 3s
vocal surge
but u do, BT makes that dissapear
Pretty sure BT is still useless. Even if you got it in PvP, the effect is barely noticeable
you're normally trying to keep your teammate alive or trying to lockdown a target
tribal badger
well sure im talking damage wise
SnC, broadside, TD
dont do much when ur trying to keep a teammate alive or lockdown a target
either
vocal surge
It still adds pressure
tribal badger
pressure as in damage? which BT is fine for?
i think for everything outside damage bt is pretty meh
vocal surge
You get time to gain energy back between your CDs and cycles. But if you got BT before your burst
thats a huge rip
if you got anything else thou thats a huge +
tribal badger
idk
never felt like that to me
rtb feels barely noticable in pvp
dont really notice damage difference between rolls except GM
vocal surge
Ruthless Precision (as secondary roll)
Broadsides (Big damage)
True Bearing (More pressure)
SnC (Big damage
tribal badger
even SnC u dont notice like PvE cause u have natty 65% chance
idk about big damage for broadsides never felt like that to me personally
feels a bit nicer now that PS fills ur cp bar
tribal badger
i mean if ur bursting and ur not proccing ur doing zero damage
BS isnt making u do damage if u spam SS rn
if ur not looping thru ur procs and dispatch spamming ur not moving hp bars
vocal surge
You shouldnt be spamming SS
tribal badger
i guess i dont understand what u meant by all in ambushes
vocal surge
if you end up using SS, its prob best to reset or reroll RTB
tribal badger
i assumed u meant relying on ambush proc loops
vocal surge
Nope
Shadow Dance + AR
if you get SnC, just Ambush the entire duration
Broadsides, normal rotation
tribal badger
i mean i have never even considered nor would i try ambush spamming only in dance
even with AR id run out of energy 4s in
(unless i had BT)
i still just ambush > dispatch
but i agree in general looping with broadside is always better then spamming ambush with SnC
dont think thats related to broadside being strong tho
i think spamming ambush with SnC and not finishing is just inting
tribal badger
maybe in a 3s window?
vocal surge
does more damage than Dispatching
tribal badger
but if factor in dispatches 2set bonus for ambush
im pretty sure its more DPE to finish
maybe in a 3 second only window
3 ambushes would be best
energy not being a factor (cause usually ull also run out of energy trying to mash ambush every gcd of dance)
id be very surprised if u managed to get 5 or 6 ambushes in a dance
vocal surge
Ive managed to Ambush through entire SD windows before?
tribal badger
ye if u have BT or good procs u can but still sounds iffy to me
maybe i'll try it some time but i feel like without good luck id run dry
vocal surge
If your not maintaining SnD and RtB well, thats when you drop energy wise
tribal badger
sure what RtB roll gives energy tho :c
idk my experience playing law (only in soloq mind u) has been rtb buffs are eh
dont notice big differences in my dance windows between them except GM
dont really run into dry spells in pvp as law tho thanks to pvp talent
(bringback15%stam)
not like u do in pve
last time i mashed ambush and ignored finishers was when dance was giving ambush perma 50% damage buff :p
wuldnt mind having that back
vocal surge
just maintaining iy
keeps your energy high
if it drops off
you'll feel that energy deprivation
tribal badger
sure all the buffs (except gm) give resource efficiency in their own way
BT is just the most direct resource least direct damage
waxen meteor
did some 3s with war/priest/ret
then my ret got achievement world champion pop out
everybody knew me as a 3 day ret
narrow tangle
my friend who started playing last week with ret paladin is at now around 2100 solo shuffle rating
jolly sierra
look
graceful ravine
😮
waxen meteor
Did some 3s
then swap to solo
totally being raped
not using CDs
believing teammate
and die
graceful ravine
S2 - what if they make a hidden mmr mechanic that makes your 3s rating closer to your shuffle rating (if above 3k)
this would only affect the r1s and boost them closer to 3k in 3v3s, where they belong
jolly sierra
how they did with former seasons when they had glads and r1 in week 1? just increase their mmr?
worthy crag
feelin good
jolly sierra
gratz for sending ret to hell
graceful ravine
chad things
waxen meteor
feelin good
Awesome
jolly sierra
pretty fucking empty words
WTB glad mounts for SS
dull bridge
add ground mount to 2s and a pet to shuffle, done
jolly sierra
hope the fkn pet is a meta definer to worth the grind KEK
like the hunched skull pet from HOTS
waxen meteor
Got 80% Glad Mount players in Solos in afternoon
now everybody seems to be average player like me at night
waxen meteor
you live in differen time zone, you don't count, honey
floral meadow
hey guys. I have a very simple question as a returning player and newbie rogue, i did only play casters till now. When I'm in Arena i'm a little bit confused what I should do, if i'm on low energy. So let me give you a example: I'm running after a enemy which is low health (think about <20%), so I'm trying to do everything to finish him, and now i'm only on 20% energy. So it's not possible to use a finisher. What should I do?
- Start using for example backstep (currently i'm playing sub), this is what i usually do
- Wait for the energy to use Eviscarate / Secret techniques
- If possible, use some cd to get more energy
- do something else?
waxen meteor
hey guys. I have a very simple question as a returning player and newbie rogue, ...
maybe you should start with you spec first..?
oh i read more, clearly it's sub
floral meadow
what i basically want to know, because I think i'm doing it wrong, if i don't have enough energy, how to prioritze skills?
waxen meteor
hey guys. I have a very simple question as a returning player and newbie rogue, ...
In that scenario, imo, if you are out of burst cd/energy, go healer to cc
chasing more with backstab will basically never close
floral meadow
when i'm in these situations, i usually respond with DO DMG AT ALL COSTS and don't wait for my energy to come up
waxen meteor
rely on teammate and turn to cc healer is better
floral meadow
okay
waxen meteor
the key thing is sub normal dmg is too low
you can chase 2000 miles and get killed instead
floral meadow
does this also apply to assassination?
waxen meteor
more or less yeah
but sin has way less energy issue
and you can drink tea
you almost always have energy
but i guess the same question stays, when you chase without CD, can you kill
or is the additional dmg > cc healer?
but point is when out of cd, i think sin indeed can chase someone down
but at these weeks, it
is extra hard difficulty
floral meadow
as a basic rule, should I learn to either do something else (for example: cc healer) or auto attack till finisher is up?
(assuming that i don't have any CD ready which gives me energy)
waxen meteor
as sub, if you are at 20 energy ish as you described, and you have 0 combo point
you are basically going to do no dmg for 10 seconds
or more
floral meadow
ok
waxen meteor
depends on if you invest a lot if bleeding, but regardless, the bleed dmg should always be there, the backstabs + evis from 20 energy/0 cp will take forever.
floral meadow
thats why i should shadow dance right?
waxen meteor
yeah
floral meadow
ok
waxen meteor
My personal feeling is sub is really about the pace and read
Find the correct timing and do all you can do
other times your dmg is low
floral meadow
so why i did choose sub as my spec was because it felt like I have more defensive cd's (for example 2x vanish)
waxen meteor
you can keep using your energy but it won't do much diff
you do have way more survival compared to sin
waxen meteor
lol another ret/ret/bm/demo lobby
floral meadow
let me ask you another simple question
i'm < 800 rating
and if i wouldn't be a noob
would you choose assassin or sub?
to climb rating?
dull bridge
now everybody seems to be average player like me at night
monday evenings are rating farm hours
everybody qing to cap vault
dull bridge
does this also apply to assassination?
not really, assa does damage much more consistently
but as tarny said you don't really run out of energy as assa if you're playing properly
dull bridge
would you choose assassin or sub?
assa
jolly sierra
assa allows me to gouge the healer without losing dps and then return to kill target
if dotted
jolly sierra
depends of skill ceiling tbh
waxen meteor
you can win easily with sub as yourself
floral meadow
if you know what to do 😛
jolly sierra
lemme tell u a story
waxen meteor
you end up in long fight and you lose
jolly sierra
i tried to cap fast sub as 0 cr into shuffle
i lose 1-5 cuz i didn't knew wtf i was doing
or maybe cuz i was in blues
waxen meteor
my first ret and first sub game were both 6-0
then never struggled in 1800 melee blend
floral meadow
i think it's good fo rme to switch
as i said
i'm total newb
also returning after 10years
jolly sierra
go ahead
jolly sierra
<:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021> my first ret and first sub game were both 6-0
1600-1800 lobbies as rog are hell
jolly sierra
im his alter ego
waxen meteor
and tbh CATA i already quit for so long
Panda i am semi quit, very causal
i exit 3-3 fuck
with 2 games i died without bubble
jolly sierra
u recalled me w ret pre rework to climb to 1800
waxen meteor
my ego was playing too much to use bubble later than the other ret
jolly sierra
ppl just said "bUBblE?"
waxen meteor
both games he used bubble like at least 40 seconds earlier
jolly sierra
and they doesn't realize than is into GCD
waxen meteor
damn
nova pulsar
hey guys, in one of pikaboo's old videos, i noticed that he was able to quickly change his focus target mid combat, does anyone know how he does that?
jolly sierra
/flex
jolly sierra
but healer wasn't cced at all
bUbBlE?
copper maple
Bubble is on gcd? xD
potent pivot
hey guys, in one of pikaboo's old videos, i noticed that he was able to quickly ...
you can keybind /focus arena1/arena2/arena3
nova pulsar
ohhh okey, ty
jolly sierra
Bubble is on gcd? xD
yes
copper maple
Putting defensives on gcd in 2023 is a sin
jolly sierra
is the only restrict rets has to reach god mode
copper maple
For god mode they need auto bubble like back in legion
jolly sierra
i still recall that
was the shit than enabled the zugzug mindset for rets in that xp
minor cape
You just couldn't stun a human ret
must have been fun as a rogue
worthy crag
in legion you either queued into triple human on alliance
and orc relent on horde
esp rshams running spirit link pvp talent vs rogue comps
copper maple
I didn't play much legion, let alone legion pvp.
Used to raid at the time
What are those hotfixes? 😄
naive plank
is the only restrict rets has to reach god mode
I love how Blizzard find it perfectly fine a class to be this close to being virtually unstoppable and at the same time they keep nerfing every aspect of the rogue toolkit - stuns, dmg, finishers, tankiness
nova pulsar
man wtf is this, just started pvp'ing again in 10.0.7, everyone is getting rekt by paladins
minor cape
welcome to the club buddy
nova pulsar
is sin still the best choice for SS?
nova pulsar
ahhh, i dont mind tbh, i usually hate playing meta classes 😛
obsidian pulsar
Rogue is just dogshid since 10.0.5 unplayable into melee comps at moment without a caster on your team
U just get tunneled all game
nova pulsar
oh? would it be impossible to get rival this season then?
finally decided to main rogue after a long time since this seems to be the only dps class that is required for both pve and pvp content
surreal barn
Definitely
You can still hit 2k w sub it’s just kinda gimmicky. A lot of lobbies are ret, BM, warrior or you/ret/ret/x.
Your cc is more important than ever atm which I’d say is the best learning scenario. Not really sure wtf is going to happen once that gets dumbed down across the board.
nova pulsar
ohhh, so sub is our best choice atm huh?
i was still playing sin haha
time to switch, ty for the info ❤️
surreal barn
I hate assa in ret meta more lol.
A lot of people are liking outlaw right now but I can’t comment on it
nova pulsar
ohh
surreal barn
By a lot I mean the other 50 rogues queuing shuffles
potent pivot
ohhh, so sub is our best choice atm huh?
All 3 specs are still capable of reaching your goals, just play the one you enjoy and practice
nova pulsar
oh ok
lyric onyx
Yeah it’s definitely not impossible don’t know why people would say that
Just need patience and practice
fierce laurel
I think that carries over across seasons.
harsh steppe
oh thank the gods
ripe crag
ugh i have one month to win a few games over 1k rating, i only have 3% to go lol
You can do it!!!
Just throwing my hat in the ring here, but I'm having fun in solo shuffle as outlaw. I have to play a bit strange given the meta, but stacking versatility out the wazoo for survivability, combined with my CC has felt effective. I'm only 965 rated right now, as I'm still learning the other class abilities....
My gameplan often is to sap+blind the healer to get a decent lead at the start, then ideally I want to open on our target and hope the focus me.
With disarm, gouge, kidney, vanish, and my 4 defensive I can tank quite a bit and make a RET or ARMS burn their offensives on me, and I can get my cooldowns back faster than they can as outlaw. It's not bursty... it's a long game style.
My worse matchups tend to be against Devastator, and Fistweavers right now. RET is a pain in the ass, but the other two are far harder.
minor cape
devoker is a good rogue target
just wait or sap off his nullifying shroud and he dies in a stun
🤔
ret is literally the worst matchup imaginable
rn
for any class probably
ripe crag
I probably just need more practice against the devoker. I dont understand their abilities, but in my experience so far, they are the worst for having to chase down. They kite me harder than any hunter or frost mage.
Even with shadowstep, grapping hook, sprint and blade rush.
All while just cranking out huge hits on me...
minor cape
if you catch him once he presses trinket, if you catch him twice he ded!
wintry dew
ugh i have one month to win a few games over 1k rating, i only have 3% to go lol
How high have you managed to reach in solo shuffle or any other ladder this season?
topaz cedar
You can still hit 2k w sub it’s just kinda gimmicky. A lot of lobbies are ret, B...
isnt nahj like 2.2 rn lol
seems a bit cursed rn
cursed
wicked rampart
That's his EU rogue tho lol
topaz cedar
its the one he's playing
The high rating rogues rn just arent qing
they stopped playing SS after nerfs
fierce laurel
I haven’t played in a month and still 30th lol.
topaz cedar
wait are you the aussie
sharp sierra
devoker is a good rogue target
I’m playing on my ret right now and one just hit me for 202k crit with flame breath 💀
topaz cedar
ok so checked through the top 10 of the rogues on ladder, and of the like 3 who actually played games since the patch, not a single one has won any
minor cape
I’m playing on my ret right now and one just hit me for 202k crit with flame bre...
they can crit sometimes
for big damagr
sharp sierra
Yeah that was insane.
minor cape
and get random wins
but cmon sub can do 250k sec techs still sometimes and it doesnt help mucb
sharp sierra
I know ret is OP but still learning. Not sure if i should be using vanguards active tree or the second one with justicars veng, that one seems more like a cleave i’m guessing
sharp sierra
but cmon sub can do 250k sec techs still sometimes and it doesnt help mucb
Most i saw out of my secret tech is like 50k 😂🤦🏻♂️
waxen meteor
it's not really tru cmon sub can do 250k ST
topaz cedar
250k isn't super realistic but i do wish it was easier to stack mastery :/
waxen meteor
even if you have flag on, it's still not that easy..
sharp sierra
Vanguard keeps changing his talent
On purpose? Seems to be staying a steady on the armory. But obviously it doesn’t update real time.
waxen meteor
On purpose? Seems to be staying a steady on the armory. But obviously it doesn’t...
Last time I copied from him, he was clearly using a very single target focus talent, and assuming he will NOT be attacked
So he reduced AoE by a ton, and reduced survival
waxen meteor
2200-2400 MMR
minor cape
even if you have flag on, it's still not that easy..
i dont know what it is but w sophic devotion procs you can sometimes get that
sharp sierra
Okay, yeah that’s probably the one i’m using that has crusader auto attacks and final verd
waxen meteor
Okay, yeah that’s probably the one i’m using that has crusader auto attacks and ...
the thing is vanguard sometimes even keep the 3 target talent off
waxen meteor
but it's fair, 3 targets judgement just breaks cc too often
sharp sierra
he is not doing something right
Yeah not sure, my ST is ass. I’m fully geared. All conq, all trinketed, all tier
sharp sierra
Not sure, i’ll check in a little. Doing red arena right now lol
minor cape
my mastery is like 74% in pvp
topaz cedar
Honestly I just miss legion tbh
minor cape
i wish there was no sec tech
they have to balance a class around bullshit ability
😵💫
topaz cedar
I feel like a lot of capstones are kinda cringe honestly
like theres a lot of really wonky stuff that must make balancing hard
minor cape
for sure
minor cape
they should make macab baseline and remove sec tech forever
topaz cedar
46% p low
topaz cedar
Idk i feel like healers have been having stress migraines since season started
waxen meteor
and reached a quite bad position entering last month
topaz cedar
I didn't play SL though so maybe it started then
minor cape
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/lightnings-blade/sneakpe...
if you want to run tier set go for head + chest
waxen meteor
there are totally broken skills that's true
minor cape
your pants are crit
waxen meteor
but they tuned too much in wrong way
minor cape
and your gloves are haste
topaz cedar
your pants are crit
he crit his pants,,,
minor cape
he also has a crit ring and a haste ring
you should run mastery ring and blue mastery ring
sry, you have onr mastery ring
my bad
waxen meteor
sub gear selection is easy, go straight mastery...
sharp sierra
Okay. I’ll buy that stuff. And yeah i went the way i did with vault because at first everyone was saying to get the infurious stuff. Then haven’t been on rogue in a little.
minor cape
the other one should be blue mastery ring
minor cape
Okay. I’ll buy that stuff. And yeah i went the way i did with vault because at f...
you can stay w infurious stuff
its fine
topaz cedar
btw is replicating shadows actually worth it
minor cape
to be fair you dont need tier set at all
topaz cedar
rupture damage just seems so low
minor cape
because you will have enough time to put ruptures between your goes
to not have to do that
at least thats how i feel
sharp sierra
Yeah that must not be updated. Just hopped on rogue. I have haste ring and mastery. Not crit. But i’ll get blue mastery also
minor cape
and replace your gloves and your pants w mastery ones
also what is going on with the trinket
you see when you sec tech you have to use your on use agility trinket
badge of ferocity i think
waxen meteor
Backstab 2 cp when
minor cape
also you need sophic devotion on both weapobs
minor cape
Backstab 2 cp when
weaponmaster
sharp sierra
also you need sophic devotion on both weapobs
Yeah, was low on gold 😅
sharp sierra
Yeah i have that on both
waxen meteor
tbh backstab 1cp is kinda dated
minor cape
still shouldnt be 50k
even on current gear
you sure you use your sec tech on 7 combo points
in dance
with cold blood
topaz cedar
Honestly at this point id just like to not have to 180 whenever im at anima cp on gcd
I kinda straight up hate shadow techniques
minor cape
Honestly at this point id just like to not have to 180 whenever im at anima cp o...
thats how i chose 7cp build hehehe
topaz cedar
make a talent like the opposite of crusading strikes or something where backstab generates more every other cast or something and you just lose shadow technique cp
so i stop recreating 2008 cod montages every time im at anima cp
minor cape
fax
sharp sierra
Just did it on a dummy with dance and all cds popped and hit for 43k and then 19.5k ishx4
minor cape
tell me your rotation
minor cape
how da hell is this even possible
dude i literally go like gouge dance kidney shadowstrike cold blood sec tech and get 200k
w all the buffs of cpurse
we are missing smth here
🤔
waxen meteor
are we talking about dummy 200k or real life 200k
minor cape
right now dummy
sharp sierra
For that i was just gaining combos and then danced blew cds and used tech
minor cape
show us your build
waxen meteor
Dummy 200K is fairly easy tbh
topaz cedar
i mean u hit 230k
sharp sierra
On laptop, at work right nown😅
waxen meteor
it's 230
minor cape
my man got a pop
waxen meteor
ST is a 3 hit skill buddy
minor cape
oh boi
well now we know whats up!
also why are you using this movespeed or whatever thing
instead of vanish shield
thats weird as hell
copper maple
my man got a pop
Rarest moment caught on camera
waxen meteor
I am finishing ICC run while waiting Solo queue
topaz cedar
do ppl even play that choice node in general?
wouldnt the move speed one be more useful in SS anyway tho?
bc it gives 10% DR for 8 secs
dampening ramps up so fast i feel like ur absorbs would be nothing
minor cape
nah its shit
absorb is insanely powerful
this one
therr are two choices
run shield or dont use that combo point at all
and put into smth else
topaz cedar
does invig shadows reduce cd on blind
fierce laurel
Yes.
fierce laurel
Blind CD on vanish talent
harsh steppe
@wintry dew 1200 in 2s
wintry dew
Bro, im actually amazed how you almost finished the satchel for the pvp mount while in 1000-1200 ratings
xD
harsh steppe
aw thanks! i just realized i guess i could just do more 2s instead of trying to finish it in shuffle?
for some reason i thought it was only shuffle for the pvp satchel
wintry dew
I honestly thought you'd be like 1800 atleast, since you're always talking about pvp here, no offense xD
harsh steppe
ahaha i take that as a compliment
wicked scroll
I honestly thought you'd be like 1800 atleast, since you're always talking about...
that's so mean man
hes just a guy trying to learn >:(
wintry dew
I said no offense, dont be offended if he wasnt LOL
wicked scroll
@wintry dew im 3600 xp, if ur below that ur bad, no offense haha :P
see how that works? :)
be nice next time :3
wintry dew
i didnt say he was bad tho
i'm well aware hes new to the game
i was actually surprised he wasnt higher
but anyway, gratz on being 3600 xp
i only need 1800 for the mog so i'm gucci
copper maple
I've always liked talking about pvp, learning something new about my class or the other. But I'm like rival player at best.
I guess theorycrafting doesn't always translate into your own gameplay 🙂
wintry dew
Indeed
minor cape
what is theorycrafting
i mean, talking in this chat did actually help me a lot
but those were just certain tips
hyper is just overthinking
wintry dew
What is he overthinking?
minor cape
the theorycrafting part, not today, but sometimes
he will be 2400 next season you'll see
😎
wintry dew
I honestly thought you'd be like 1800 atleast, since you're always talking about...
@harsh steppe my wording was not the best actually. I believe that instead of "atleast", "already" would be a better word.
clear wigeon
<@256188402116984832> im 3600 xp, if ur below that ur bad, no offense haha :P
Lol ur bad
Go priest discord imposter
minor cape
lfg 3s high exp only im 3.8k multiglad (every season)
wintry dew
Lol ur bad
Actually 90% of us are
wintry dew
Where's the fun in that
minor cape
the fun is oneshotting dudes as a rogue of coursr
copper maple
It's annoying to lose a round because I didn't trinket at 90% hp to T H E H U N T
wintry dew
I thought DHS were nerfed a while back and were doing normal damage
minor cape
It's annoying to lose a round because I didn't trinket at 90% hp to T H E H U N...
did dh by any chance have a ret or a hunter or a lock on his team
copper maple
he did have a hunter
minor cape
I thought DHS were nerfed a while back and were doing normal damage
they still do big dam, they just dont kill
copper maple
but generally it was a double dh lobby
which sucked more then the recent rets I've met
minor cape
cmon dh burst isnt that bad anymore
wintry dew
Meanwhile I left my rogue at 2.1 and I'm now having fun with ret
minor cape
i just parked mine at 1.8 and play rbg
wintry dew
Pretty much at 1.9 now :3
copper maple
well apparently arcane shot can crit for 60k as well xD
wintry dew
I still suck at it tho, specially when it comes to bopping or spellwarding or removing ccs from teammates
copper maple
Idk I haven't touched sub
I've only died once to sub in recent memore
200k sec tec
copper maple
clunky stunlock gameplay
minor cape
well whatever you like
copper maple
not a fan anymore