native saffron
how to play against monk in arenna?
#pvp
radiant glen
kill
obsidian pulsar
is the alliance 25 horde kills quest gone ? its not there in valdrax after todays reset anymore?
wintry dew
My ret friend just got rank6 suffle, i'm not the one there but im so fucking hyped LOL
jolly sierra
any EU player available here?
graceful ravine
are we rioting
graceful ravine
ret still S tier after nerfs?
is this the most garbage set bonus ever?
5% agi? thats less than an enchant
bold bison
ret still S tier after nerfs?
S+
tribal badger
5% agi? thats less than an enchant
Thats only half the 4set and what enchant gives u perma 5% agility
obsidian pulsar
is the alliance 25 horde kills quest gone ? its not there in valdrax after todays reset anymore?
tribal badger
Is it possible alliance is no longer the less active faction in wpvp?
That quest is just supposed to be a bonus for the smaller faction
Its just always been that alliance was the smaller faction since bfa 
Did human rets swing the bar back
jolly sierra
ask dark irons too
obsidian pulsar
i did it the last 5 weeks and now its gone for alliance?
tribal badger
i'll check if horde have it later
its also possible nobody has it if factions r balanced
dull bridge
i thought it depended on your shard
potent pivot
are we rioting
Lol...................
wanton breach
I've always been a ret main ever since 10.0.7 - don't throw me in with the lot of you fotm rerollers
chrome schooner
so yes we had already very very few good talents since they killed hemotox
so we had one, ONE way to escape ret war trains for 4s
and they remove it
tribal badger
i thought it depended on your shard
not for the weekly quest lol
i dont think horde has ever gotten the weekly quest and i get sharded into alliance heavy shards quite often
the quest is just based on faction participation in warmode as a whole
dark gulch
any EU player available here?
yeah, i'm EU player but i'm not logged in atm
atomic loom
With the changes to blind cc duration is there going to be any way to sap off a blind or sap mid game anymore
chrome schooner
you can sap off a blind if you blind off a stun
or you can still sap out of 6s cc duing which ppl weren't touched
atomic loom
@chrome schooner thanks!
copper maple
so yes we had already very very few good talents since they killed hemotox
🫡 F to hemotoxin
Was a good talent, got bugged.
"Oh we gonna nerf it to the useless state, but keep in the game for a while. Oh, now it's gone btw lol"
pale storm
are we rioting
look at the text on the middle sprint tooltip on that page though 'Increases your movement speed by 250% and makes you immune to roots and snares. Lasts 2.5 sec. Unable to attack or use other abilities while sprinting.' looks like maybe they are looking to rework baseline sprint?
20 second CD - so maybe baseline sprint is going to be 40 second CD + Increases your movement speed by 250% and makes you immune to roots and snares. Lasts 5 sec.
with improved sprint
jolly sierra
yeah, i'm EU player but i'm not logged in atm
don't worry, is not urgent
waxen meteor
I've always been a ret main ever since 10.0.7 - don't throw me in with the lot o...
everybody is
what you talking about
is there a lobby without ret anymore?
dull bridge
look at the text on the middle sprint tooltip on that page though 'Increases you...
where are you seeing this? i couldn't find anything like that in the datamine
dull bridge
that's weird but most likely a legacy spell that's currently unused
potent pivot
I know these are trying times to be a rogue homie, but let’s try not to bash/hate post the devs
wanton breach
i can see why burst of speed is too strong
jolly sierra
w that, sprint would be 20s cd, but only staying till 2.5s, so
why u need to disable any other ability there?
if will just stay for 2.5s?
dusky hazel
do you DM exsang or exsang DM in pvp?
magic mason
Can i play 2v2 with a different faction ?
jolly sierra
exsang DM
spring bough
ive seen some laws using take your cut maybe time to switch it up lol
spring bough
9 people use it lol
jolly sierra
welp
try it
tbh ptr just leaves me extremely impatient
we are very fucked RN and didn't see any good change
what have we got RN
CC general nerf
sprint changes
pvp set bonus removed
crit nerfed
anything else?
waxen meteor
exsang dm
potent pivot
Can i play 2v2 with a different faction ?
yes, you can
magic mason
Thank’s !
pale storm
w that, sprint would be 20s cd, but only staying till 2.5s, so
why u need to di...
I think the talent rework would mean sprint would be 40 second CD and 5 second uptime of 250% and resist/remove snares, the pvp talent would change it to 20 second CD but only 2.5 second duration
This is just speculation from the tooltips
jolly sierra
with that stuff i think we should use cancelaura
if we can
or just add manuv to base talent tree
from blizz part
ruby drift
or just add manuv to base talent tree
Nah
Fuck blizz man. Legit made the worst trees possible
Had so much promise until half your points is spent on baseline abilities
dull bridge
cries in bte crit 😦
jolly sierra
tbh i expect rog changes besides this
cuz in first build rog wasn't mentioned in anything
hope can be something good
copium
yes
sub is shit too
cuz the last nerf
look, even R1 and multiglads here had said this is one of our worst moments
now u feel depressed and how rog is atm
narrow tangle
I'm kinda new to game and i feel overwhelmed in arena
I just wanna achieve 2k before season 2
jolly sierra
go ret
bold bison
I just wanna achieve 2k before season 2
how's your rating atm?
narrow tangle
idk 2k sounds nice
personal achievement
i could be okay with 1900 or 2100 as well
narrow tangle
how's your rating atm?
1200
bold bison
how many games played?
narrow tangle
checking
dark copper
Just hit 2.4k as outlaw, took 1k games 
narrow tangle
very few actually 51 rounds and 20 wons, i mostly played 2v2 with my warlock friend
narrow tangle
are you full in purples?
almost
bold bison
oh that's cool then
narrow tangle
missing 3 conquest gears
bold bison
aim for 1800, elite set for end of the season is a good goal
jolly sierra
2s is deflated af
bold bison
if you really want to improve, watch your own games back and identify your mistakes
you'll be playing against rank 1 players from like... 1600 in 2s lol
narrow tangle
i hope to post a before/after at the end of season
narrow tangle
you'll be playing against rank 1 players from like... 1600 in 2s lol
2v definitely feels harder then solo shuffle for me
I want to play solo shuffle but queue times is sad :'(
jolly sierra
try using a farming profession
and picking plants and ores
so u can get gold meanwhile
bold bison
if you queue 15 min for a lobby that's 15 min for 6 games - 2.5 min per game. plus you don't need to find a partner
it's worth
narrow tangle
so i have to watch my own games and try to play more solo shuffle rather than 2v
ruby drift
Yeah but ss is hardly a good place for a rogue
jolly sierra
at 1k8 dont think so too much
mostly are pallys
but at 1k8 are the ones which were at 1k2
so maybe won't be too hard
bold bison
so i have to watch my own games and try to play more solo shuffle rather than 2v
yes I think there's more value in rewatching one single game than there is queueing 50 games without considering why you're losing
rememeber - you can always outplay other players regardless of your class, them being meta just makes it harder
any time you lose, just consider what you could ahve done differently - did you peel, did you do your burst right, did you trade defensives correctly, were you positioned well, did you go the right target, could you have called a swap etc
ruby drift
but at 1k8 are the ones which were at 1k2
Not so much from comp standpoint although that does hurt rogue a lot in some lobbies
Moreso that zug zug teammate warrior double leaping and charging as gates open and constantly fucking your drs etc
sharp sierra
mostly are pallys
How are pallys still after the nerf? Been leveling an alt the past couple days.
narrow tangle
thanks for your useful positive advices~to all
jolly sierra
Not so much from comp standpoint although that does hurt rogue a lot in some lob...
yeah but ret presence fucked up a lot the CR
so is a lot fucked up rn, not only for rogues
jolly sierra
How are pallys still after the nerf? Been leveling an alt the past couple days.
still a lot
there are like 2000 rets at 2k1 atm
2nd dps is warrior
seems like battlemaster is mandatory
surreal barn
Ive had to drop battlemaster to secure kills lol
jolly sierra
and what about deaths?
surreal barn
Lots of running
jolly sierra
beh
surreal barn
I really think they should bake shadowstep reduce cd when used on friendlies
jolly sierra
same
spring bough
doing more damage than a ret in solo right now and it feels wild. spamming ambush even at full CP when shadow dance or subterfuge is up and it works lol
jolly sierra
can u advice valanar a little?
vocal surge
is Valanar playing Outlaw?
bold bison
holy fuck I am so sick of this game
I've been on my elite game 7 times today
7 times a healer has been going 6-0 then inted the last game with me so I go 2-4
and now some godtier SPriest goes 5-0 into a ret lobby and decides to just stop doing stuff in the last game, sending me to bed with a 1-5
I just want this to be over
I've also gone 6-0 three times today
thanks for the encouragement though
jolly sierra
is Valanar playing Outlaw?
think so
potent pivot
I just want this to be over
You’ll get there homie, don’t give up the grind
I believe 
bold bison
season won't be over till a month
that's the worst part, I can't imagine spending another 4 weeks doing this
back down to 2337, tapping out
jolly sierra
that's the worst part, I can't imagine spending another 4 weeks doing this
im holding all my mmr to stack till some weeks later
cuz we are still in tuning
i know
dull bridge
and now some godtier SPriest goes 5-0 into a ret lobby and decides to just stop ...
shitters gonna be shitters my g, stay strong
jolly sierra
Vermillius is typing...
narrow tangle
is Valanar playing Outlaw?
im playing assassination atm
vocal surge
Might as well finish it since it'll go to waste if I deleted it
jolly sierra
then lemme tell u what can u do
use shadowstep a lot
consider using exsanguinate and using it as a second burst window
narrow tangle
i can try outlaw as well, rogue is fun
jolly sierra
usually deathmark is win condition when is used for 2nd time in the same round
try to sap/sap/sap then blind
in lower brackets if they trinket the blind u can kidney, that fucks a lot their dps
vocal surge
- Shiv is both an offensive and defensive tool for you.
Slowing Poison Shiv
70% Movement Speed Reduction, 84% Master Poisoner
Defensively Strong vs
-Warriors
-Retribution Paladins (outside of their Hand of Freedom)
-Rogues
-Monks (that are running away with no teleport)
-Hunters (when Feign Death is on CD)
-Demon Hunters (forces them to use all their mobility to catch up to you backpedaling)
-Shadow Priests
-Destruction
Offensive Use
Use on Healer when locking down your kill target in Smoke Bomb. This increases the amount of time you have before having to use a CC option to continue the kill pressure. Not recommended for use against Mistweavers since they're able to avoid you from shivving and Fistweavers stay too close anyways.
Numbing Poison Shiv
12% Casting and Attack Speed Reduction, 14.4% Master Poisoner
Only good for casters that are not in the list for Slowing Poison.
- Feint is your best friend.
- You can nullify the Warlock's Demonic Circle Teleport (PvP Talent) by casting Grappling Hook at the last second. The game will register you've grappled successfully and will pull you from the enemy warlock's Teleport Circle to your Grappling Hook's destination.
- Have a Blade Flurry macro that allows you to cast and then cancel aura it when you want to use Gouge, Blind, or Sap on a target next to you.
- Shadowstep Kick and Shadowstep to Ally Macros help a lot both offensively and defensively.
- Have a timer for Kick's Interrupt Duration (5 seconds, 3.5s vs Paladins with Concentration Aura, Aura Mastery Concentration = Immune to Kicks)
- If you need to kite around the pillar and you have Acrobatic Strikes, hug the pillar and auto attack through it to apply Slowing Poison then grapple to a different pillar (let your teammate know before hand and make sure you're able to get away before doing this) and restealth.
- Warriors will try to Charge to you as much as possible and Warbringer hits hard. You can get Warriors to waste their Heroic Leap and Charge uses by using Grappling Hook, Shadowstep, and then a simple CC (Cheap Shot, Kidney Shot, Gouge, etc.) in the middle of their charge animation.
- You can stop The Hunt by CCing the Demon Hunter before they make impact with you. If you Shadowstep or Grapple Hook away, there is a good delay before the damage is applied to you once the Demon Hunter reaches your Target Point.
jolly sierra
consider using gouge too, u can shadowstep, jump and turn to healer face and cc him
if u have an enemy in low hp
u can kidney the healer instead
will be more pressuring in that context
narrow tangle
about 2, I didn't know feint is that useful I took cheat death talent instead 
i should change to elusiveness i believe
jolly sierra
nah
use cheat
is ok
even high ranked rogues were using it till pre 10.0.7
dunno about now atm
vocal surge
Feint's still good to use
reduces damage from AOE abilities
Blade Storm, Final Verdict, Divine Storm, etc.
vocal surge
Ye
jolly sierra
try dotting 2 targets too
to keep the pressure
if u use cheat death
try holding it until u are unable to
abuse pillar gaming, if u have kidney up try baiting one of them behind a pillar and kidney them
dull bridge
which expansion is the fastest to level through
i need to level my, uhhh, second rogue
vocal surge
just spam Timewalking Dungeons
potent pivot
i need to level my, uhhh, second rogue
cataclysm
all the zones near Cataclysm Undercity
WoD intro quests at a certain level
lots of guides to leveling on YT
can also pay like 200k to get lvl boosting i think
waxen meteor
i don't know how you guys get high CR as ret
i am doing 1 hour queues
yesterday, close to 45 mins queue, i dropped and slept..
today... it feels the same...
so far..
waxen meteor
yeah
it wasnt really a fight
heal monk just auto die every game
was a Demo/Feral/Bird/Ret lobby
spring bough
2 back to back ques with 3 ret paladins. can they like update the que algorithm to not do that pls lol
waxen meteor
2 back to back ques with 3 ret paladins. can they like update the que algorithm ...
i think the queue logic is to avoid same specs
the problem is only ret are queueing
it's a meta queue game now pff
vocal surge
Anyone here got PTR 10.1?
ashen sparrow
I’m pretty new. Is there a website I can’t find with resources for capturing stuff in battlegrounds? Like how to do it against what classes etc?
potent pivot
I’m pretty new. Is there a website I can’t find with resources for capturing stu...
you can usually find youtube videos to help out with BG stuff
or if you have any questions about how to handle specific classes you can try asking here
idk of any written BG guides
ashen sparrow
Ok. I will look at YouTube more. A lot of the guides are 2 plus years old. Are they still semi relevant?
jolly sierra
this tabard looks fkn good w antorus HC/furious glad pally set
def will go like this for pvp
potent pivot
Ok. I will look at YouTube more. A lot of the guides are 2 plus years old. Are t...
in general most things are pretty similar
damage outputs and other smaller things have changed, especially with the new talent trees etc
but if you can find any BG guides from Shadowlands or Dragonflight they should be pretty relevant for general learning information
jolly sierra
we can give you tips about what to do too
jolly sierra
i have a doubt
if u shiv a druid and he shapeshifts
does the shiv slow and eff itself dissapear?
vocal surge
S2 Outlaw's Stat Prio for the 10.1 set seems to be more haste oriented
potent pivot
tbh i think outlaw s2 will be a mix of haste > mastery > crit
outlaw mastery is a lot better than it was in SL
potent pivot
is mastery even good for outlaw?
it is decent now because it was reworked going into DF iirc
it's still like
meh
and it doesn't really affect gameplay at all, even less so than sub or sin's mastery
vocal surge
I dont feel like mastery is good
potent pivot
but with crit being nerfed, and haste being kinda w/e i think outlaw will want a mix of all 3
vocal surge
Still feels good to go Haste > Crit > Mastery
potent pivot
have you tested it
vocal surge
Im in PTR
potent pivot
main gauche does decent dam
vocal surge
and im playing around the set bonus
potent pivot
mm
potent pivot
yeh it's not all about how much damage 1 hit does
outlaw is all about consistent dmg typically
vocal surge
Ye
But still
im sacrificing a lot of crit and haste
to raise what's normally one of the lowest damage source
Soulrip didn't reach the DPS that I had when going Haste > Crit > Mastery
jolly sierra
i'll update ptr and log in
vocal surge
For enchants
jolly sierra
ah nvm got a better idea
vocal surge
Its probably better to go Crit or Haste
and Crit/Haste gems
since we're almost at 40% versatility
jolly sierra
vermi can u wait me in ptr? to test this too?
jolly sierra
15m max, this shit need to update
vocal surge
Ok
jolly sierra
and didn't open yet lol
vocal surge
Im on Lycanthoth
vocal surge
lol
jolly sierra
is updating now
this country claims to have the 3rd fastest internet worldwide
lets see how true it is
logging in
tell me ur name there
vocal surge
you Rafflesia?
vocal surge
ok
jolly sierra
its over
it triggers at dispell
this will be good shit for future
wanna practise something?
vocal surge
Starting with 0/4
jolly sierra
too lazy to get the other one
vocal surge
Sure
vocal surge
x)
jolly sierra
now, macros fucked up w lang switch
vocal surge
Did you import em?
jolly sierra
yeah
but EU spanish was removed
from available languages here
so i disabled all
duel again
jolly sierra
now
jolly sierra
sure
vocal surge
rip toys lol
jolly sierra
XD
vocal surge
2/2 is decent
jolly sierra
what about 4/4?
vocal surge
Which one do you feel hits harder
vocal surge
Does it work?
jolly sierra
dunno
but if i need to think
4/0 from the new one is better
cuz will be upgraded w new ilvl
vocal surge
33k DPS
jolly sierra
wanna check again, i didn't healed well
vocal surge
Ok
vocal surge
42k DPS
jolly sierra
test again 4/0
vocal surge
the full set 10.1?
jolly sierra
ye
jolly sierra
kk
jolly sierra
i have one
jolly sierra
go
vocal surge
36k DPS
vocal surge
Really?
vocal surge
33k
jolly sierra
that in 1 reset
vocal surge
Yee
jolly sierra
so, ur conclusion?
vocal surge
Soulreave requires build up from Soulrip to do damage
but issue is we're losing a ton of good damage from the 2p and 4p from the previous tier
lol
vocal surge
Yeee
Also should mention
We spam ambush in 2p/2p
in Subterfuge and Shadow Dance
and only Dispatch when we're low on energy
vocal surge
Ye xD
vocal surge
The Maneuverability one?
vocal surge
As far as tier set pieces go stat wise
vocal surge
S2 vs S1
Head is prio
Shoulders are equally good
Chest is decent
Hands is on the lower end
Legs is bad
jolly sierra
think about the base stamina too
vocal surge
Yeee
jolly sierra
we have like 25 ilvl in difference
vocal surge
26
jolly sierra
well
seems like hc has around 428 ilvl as tier
in case we get 1k8 at week 1
we will have timegate, so maybe we will just have a wep at week 1
also check this, imagine at 450 ilvl
maybe will be bis for s2
copper maple
also check this, imagine at 450 ilvl
Will probably (and hopefully) be reduced in PvP.
jolly sierra
we will see, but if is not is a very patch solution to rog survivality
vocal surge
could be
adding Regenerative Leech on top
and your looking at a Second Winding rogue
jolly sierra
hope they fixes our survivality for that patch
dull bridge
S2 Outlaw's Stat Prio for the 10.1 set seems to be more haste oriented
god bless
dull bridge
w. 14k Soulreaves
that's pretty dogshit
jolly sierra
in the practise it wasn't
this guy mixed 2 tiers from former season and 2 from current
and i barely was able to react to the dmg
in 4set from the new tier was easily manageable
vocal surge
x)
rose wigeon
where do you buy the gear on ptr
vocal surge
Stormwind City, Trade Destrict
Goblin on the Pedestal next to the weapon shop
and 2 npcs on the side of the AH for set pieces
thats for ally
unsure for Horde
vocal surge
in 4set from the new tier was easily manageable
should mention this is prenerf 10.1 tier set
w. 7% agi
in a future build, they're nerfing 4p to 5% agi bonus
Soulreaver is unchanged
tribal bay
where do you buy the gear on ptr
org
jolly sierra
Soulreaver is unchanged
nice, then is even better to use 2/2
vocal surge
yep lmao
and even if they fix the 2p on the new tier set
its still pepega balancing
bold bison
back down to 2337, tapping out
I was 2395 last night
not sure I can handle this level of tilt
never felt so useless
just doing setups with piss damage until we lose
harsh steppe
hang in there snorkle ❤️
surreal barn
Temporarily or for the future
Ngl fistweaving is fun af if you’re just looking to queue something else while sub is in the dumpster
bold bison
just for a few lobbies so I can get the achievement then play something fun
I did think about fistweaving but I've always been terrible at healing
copper maple
Can fistweaving be called healing in terms of playstyle?
bold bison
you need to cocoon people sometimes I guess
actually I'm touching Ret, disgusting rat spec
might try Demo Lock, at least that requires some interesting gameplay
surreal barn
I mean you need to bop and freedom as ret
bold bison
lol
244 Sub games, 8,524 Ret games across both regions. That Dans and Dark Shadow nerf was super necessary
obsidian moon
buff rog dmg 100% still not gonna be good in this ret meta
wintry dew
Meanwhile most of us leveling ret
I'm one of them.
Couldn't go higher than 2.2 as assa, let's see where I'll be able to reach playing ret 
vocal surge
0 Outlaw Rogues
wintry dew
Truth be told, ret gameplay feels amazing
(atleast the m+ build that I've been running on the tw leveling up)
There's no down time ever
plucky sage
Truth be told, ret gameplay feels amazing
Just because of this
wintry dew
Honestly, ret/arms/rogue(assa/sub) feel super familiar to me
plucky sage
I'm glad they got the rework but I don't want to play while it's strong, I have enough fun on feral/sub pvp
copper maple
How are they similar? Both burst in a stun?
wintry dew
For me, somehow the gameplay
That's a personal feeling
Idk the gameplay makes sense
plucky sage
Well idk , Assa feels like feral because bleed uptime and even then still different
But sub Ret doesn't seem similar, to me at least
copper maple
Feral has pretty much the same skills to rogue in terms of rotational abilities
plucky sage
Like dance cc gameplay vs... wings ungabunga
wintry dew
I mainly sub pve
plucky sage
Feral has pretty much the same skills to rogue in terms of rotational abilities
Yeah, easy to switch between Assa feral
copper maple
Combo point builder, a stun out of stealth, a cp spender stun
plucky sage
My binds are almost identical
copper maple
Bleeds
plucky sage
I mean even meld rake is like meld cheap shot
copper maple
I've started leveling a druid past 60, but for some reason it feels boring
wintry dew
But without cd
plucky sage
PvP is fun
wintry dew
XD
copper maple
I have nothing to press besides rotation and tigers something
plucky sage
But I like pve on outlaw and marksman hunter
copper maple
And incarn for big dam rarely
plucky sage
I have nothing to press besides rotation and tigers something
Incarn is fun
Especially in pvp
copper maple
It's like 3 min cd
Besides that it feels boring
Ret probably has more buttons to press
plucky sage
I like it
copper maple
Also I'm still not sure if shapeshifting is fun for me personally
plucky sage
Primal wrath bug dam and free big bites procs
waxen meteor
Yeah lots of people think Druid boring
copper maple
I'll probably level a monk instead
wintry dew
I would truly advice people to try ret, atleast level them to 70 in tw
plucky sage
And I have 17% bonus speed on druid
waxen meteor
It looks most interesting class on paper
copper maple
I wouldn't say druid in general is boring. Resto looks a lot more interesting
copper maple
But I heard it got screwed mid season with talent tree changes
wintry dew
Rework made the gameplay super different
waxen meteor
But mostly because I chose tbc mission I think haha
Yeah new play is way better
As they explained they merged a lot of unnecessary skills and talent
wintry dew
But I heard it got screwed mid season with talent tree changes
Yep mid season nerfs made ret players quit the game
wintry dew
Atleast in PvE, the blade of justice talent that spawns a concecration on the enemy (10s CD) is huge
copper maple
Yep mid season nerfs made ret players quit the game
No, i meant rdruid talent tree changes
Idk when or what there were
wintry dew
No, i meant rdruid talent tree changes
Mb mb
copper maple
The only healer I've played properly is disc and I realised I've got really used to abundance of damage reduction cds. Something many other healers don't really have
copper maple
I tried holy priest and it felt weaker in the current bursty meta
waxen meteor
Hpal is not that fun now
copper maple
The healing output is strong
waxen meteor
Priest is the fun healer since it has dmg as well
Good pace
Hpal dmg can be ignored although you need to try to pretend you are attacking for combonpoint
copper maple
But it seems to rely on healing increase cd and spamming heals onto the target
Which seems fine unless you get kicked
At least holy doesn't have a defensive which your solo shuffle mates will run out of lol
ashen sparrow
but if you can find any BG guides from Shadowlands or Dragonflight they should b...
Thanks for the reply. When I left wow rogue was not an op damager but I could cap on almost anyone. Almost lol. Trying to get into the swing of things and don’t care about nerds since I don’t know any better
wintry dew
When did you left wow?
ashen sparrow
Looking for a few streamer mentors who explain stuff. If anyone has some pm me. RBG is my favorite.
ashen sparrow
When did you left wow?
End of cata early mop
ashen sparrow
Was 2200 in 3s as RLS and my job was lockdown and pressure. Never felt up to me!
Yeah. The daggers were amazing!
Op not up
wintry dew
Mop with both burst of speed and subterfuge, which was super op because you could go in and still be stealthed for 2/3 secs
ashen sparrow
I leveled in mop but didn’t hear or play. Irl stuff took over. I know that I don’t know anything anymore lol. I can’t even get a damn sap macro set the way I like! I need mentors!
wintry dew
I have a crown in ff14 but not here 😦
(mentor joke)
You can most likely Google sap macro and a bunch will appear
wintry dew
Because you can have the usual /cast [@focus] Sap
Or the other one more complicated to write down where you target the nearest target and sap, amazing vs other rogues/druid/hunters
Or even the 1/2/3 arena targets macros
ashen sparrow
Yeah. That one. I have the sap macro for target and focus sapping. Also. A lot of my targeting macros are kinda buggy. They work like 60% of the time. I’m too new to understand lol
wintry dew
If they work 60% of the time they straight up work, you must be doing something unusual for them not to go off
E.g: blind focus macro, if you are not in range, you bet it won't work
ashen sparrow
I can see that. I also am having some latency issues too. I should just go to target dummies and work the bugs out.
wintry dew
That's the best you can do honestly
ashen sparrow
Truth. Thank Royal
wintry dew
Np my man, glad i could somehow help
tardy magnet
is there any dominant rogue spec rn for solo shuffle, or are they all around the same?
im kinda hopping between assa and sub, but im not really feeling a difference
tardy magnet
i meaaaaaaan
i am considering leveling an arms warr right now to be honest
but then i feel bad for leaving my rogue
wintry dew
Their gameplay feels good
vocal surge
Atm, all the rogue specs just fall when it comes to climbing Arenas
I don't recommend ya playing Outlaw unless you really want to try it then maybe farm the set pieces from this patch
unborn portal
I love spreading misinformation
tardy magnet
the only problem rn is getting gear for my rogue
solo shuffle is an absolute pain on low gear at this point
vocal surge
Yep
Best way to farm it is on a class like Ret
or War
theres also the daily 60 conquest when capturing Supply Crates in WM
w. 10 characters, thats 600 Conquest daily
In a week, you can prob buy 10
tardy magnet
the one problem with that is i gotta level a warr/ret
and i do not have the attention span for that
unborn portal
Pay for a leveling boost
People do it for gold you just afk
I think it’s 15k a level
Or do timewalking it’s like 3 hours of dungeons
wintry dew
TW only 60-70
tardy magnet
my warr's level 60 so i'll just spam some tw dungs with sum netflix
wintry dew
Some cata dungeons have good skips
wintry dew
Best name ever
copper maple
Rogue in retirement until 10.1
Can't wait for blind nerf?
sharp pumice
killing as a rogue doesn't seem bad at all, but jesus christ could I get more squishy
"lol just feint"
copper maple
Just hide in stealth
sharp pumice
really helps in arena matches
especially against demon hunters
and now that everyone has a pulsed aoe that will yank you out of stealth
copper maple
I see it as a viable strat if you have ret from a week ago on your team xD
sharp pumice
ez2400
sharp pumice
then MAYBE sap/blind healer
on a serious note
I am just like
getting yanked out of stealth a LOT
with no damage/debuffs/anything noted by the combat log
the fuck causes that usually
gilded sand
Is rdru nature's vigil breaking stelth still a thing?
copper maple
Stealth always had weird issues at times
jolly sierra
neither assa
nova viper
cringe
jolly sierra
just hide
potent pivot
sub playable?
Everything is playable
Sub is kinda feelsbadman atm but all 3 specs are still viable to an extent
nova viper
Sub is kinda feelsbadman atm but all 3 specs are still viable to an extent
XD 20 years making game
modern marlin
i just learned sub ... to do some pvp bruh
why you do this
Questions to the room, what order do you upgrade your honor gear to conquest gear?
mainhand >head/chest/legs first > rest?
dull bridge
main hand while getting set pieces with trophies of strife
modern marlin
the vaultdelver set yeah?
wait no warmode gear? i thought that doesnt work in arena/bg?
dull bridge
bloody token gear can be upgraded to 421 Ilvl tierset pieces
pale storm
i just learned sub ... to do some pvp bruh
I just started playing sub the week before the recent nerfs, was loving it, now getting kills is so much harder :
jolly sierra
will we get updated drakebreaker for s2?
modern marlin
bloody token gear can be upgraded to 421 Ilvl tierset pieces -> so the pvp world gear can be upgraded to the lockbreaker set?
rose wigeon
You dont use drakebreaker for tier its just for off pieces that dont have mastery like offhand belt bracers
tribal badger
i imagine it will just scale up like all world quest gear does between seasons
newly obtained stuff will be new baseline higher ilvl, upgrade to 3 under w/e conq is again
but i havent confirmed this on ptr
scarlet shell
oh lord i cannot wait for the rogue sets
i might pick up outlaw again
even tho fistweapons should be used on also sub and assa but oh well
jolly sierra
yesterday i was w vermillius testing stuff in ptr
2 from current set and 2 from next set is very good for heavy pressure in pvp
also, if ur deathmark is dispelled the assa bonus 4 *does * trigger
so we can have a best time against pallys, evokers and survs
jolly sierra
keep waiting
jolly sierra
we tested 4set from new tier and wasn't as pressuring as mixed ones
waxen meteor
Think it’s sin
tribal badger
doenst surprise me sins new 4set looks kinda oof
reducing ur deathmark burst to give an extended lower burst window instead
waxen meteor
jolly sierra
apparently is the safest option rn
tribal badger
well laws 4set is actively a dps loss to try to use rn
and its 2set is fully bugged so
thats not surprising
2set does 30% of ur ability damage not 5% but 4set still bursts it like it is 5%
dull bridge
i miss duskwalkers vendetta assassin 😦
tribal badger
trying to test laws set on ptr rn is a bit of a wash
jolly sierra
kek
midnight walrus
any1 got some pvp talents for sub rogues i could take a look at?
midnight walrus
and any pvp macros?
potent pivot
and any pvp macros?
There’s talents and macros in #pvp-faq
midnight walrus
okay
midnight walrus
yea, i did 🙂
potent pivot
For the most updated info
midnight walrus
alrighty! ty
untold remnant
Who still has fun on rogue in the new patch?
jolly sierra
fun? is a torture
nova viper
Who still has fun on rogue in the new patch?
rouge is fun
naive plank
gotta love how a pala just came in world PvP stunned me, crit me 3 times in 3 seconds and insta dead
dull bridge
outlaw yes, sin is just yellow feral
i'm really bothered by the kidney duration nerf purely on the grounds that it's now literally the same ability as maim
in what world does rogue, THE control class, not have the best stun in the game
feral gonna be giga busted if that new pvp talent makes it to live
grand haven
minor cape
i'm really bothered by the kidney duration nerf purely on the grounds that it's ...
kidney stays the same
if not on orc of course
dull bridge
i don't mean the duration of the cc, I'm talking about relative power
dull bridge
currently: kidney has longer duration on same CD
10.1: maim and kidney have the same CD and same duration
I'll let you figure out which one got buffed/nerfed
minor cape
oh cmon
i will hate to play against feral
fucking cat will chase me the whole game
and dot me with his bullshit
and also stun me
you know whats also weird
that kidney needs combo points
and his shit doesnt
hmmmm
tribal badger
maim is a finisher
wdym
r u sure ur not confusing it with rake stun which is their version of cheap shot
wise breach
minor cape
r u sure ur not confusing it with rake stun which is their version of cheap shot
oh i did
for sure
minor cape
never mind me i have autism
waxen meteor
wait for team liquid to bitch about maim
minor cape
and dont know much about other classes
waxen meteor
when will some druid rapes them
plucky sage
Yeah but bash is nice, 4s? Free stun with bash
But it's a talent some people prefer incap roar
tribal badger
feral just runs around pveing everyone n doing 60k dps
waxen meteor
when ferals are good we are normally bad
minor cape
am i doing something wrong or is feral actually that good vs rogue?
waxen meteor
yeah feral nowadays just bleed all field
tribal badger
i mean they play different style
they dont rlly do setups outside jungle
most ferals just do infinite bleed rot
no rogue spec can rot rn
we dont have the damage 🥹
minor cape
i mean assas kinda can
waxen meteor
not a word in my dictionary anymore
plucky sage
Not on the same level as feral
tribal badger
eh sin and outlaws rot doesnt rlly do pressure anymore
plucky sage
We have basically aoe bleed non stop
plucky sage
And we try hit all 3 players with it as much as we can
tribal badger
ur more effective just being disruptive and ST banging on rogue specs
plucky sage
It's like aoe exsang rupture
waxen meteor
throw an easy CD for deathmark is enough nowadays
minor cape
playing vs feral feels like you are on a timer till his bleeds will kill you and you have to kill someone faster
minor cape
but assas dies easier to be honest
tribal badger
well feral can use its walls during stuns cant it
waxen meteor
when you got kidney on him, he is going to be in bear mode much much longer
plucky sage
I kite kite kite
tribal badger
plus skin
minor cape
like i just go assas once and he evasions or some shit, i go assas twice and he just dies
plucky sage
Bleed everything, kite
tribal badger
and bear, u just shut down their damage harder going them
tribal badger
but they can be quite tanky
waxen meteor
when he is bear, y shut down the dmg
plucky sage
No one can catch me
minor cape
when he is bear
waxen meteor
Most games i just go feral when there's one
minor cape
i dont hit him?
minor cape
but for sub?
plucky sage
Yeah but people see bear form and don't want to waste their resources on a bear, so they get off you, and then you go cat and rot some more
waxen meteor
and anyway you multiple doting
waxen meteor
yeah
tribal badger
and ya sin doesnt rlly care about the armor
waxen meteor
just straight force him in bear
minor cape
oooh
waxen meteor
then it's 2dps vs 1dps + 1 semi tank
minor cape
so if everyone goes feral
plucky sage
I ate 2 edibles for my flight, kinda regret not blasting the entire packet and getting completely whacked
minor cape
he doesnt do dam
waxen meteor
not exactly but it can reduce your pressure by a lot
minor cape
I ate 2 edibles for my flight, kinda regret not blasting the entire packet and g...
dude i would fucking die from paranoia
plucky sage
Hahahaha
Ya but the paranoia I'm fine with, honestly I feel like I could be 3x more high for this bullshit
I hate flying
minor cape
not exactly but it can reduce your pressure by a lot
now i know what to do against them nice
plucky sage
he doesnt do dam
Yeah honestly training feral sucks as feral
You're forced into bear and then your damage just drops
tribal badger
if the other partner is doing good damage id recommend swapping targets on thorns tho
waxen meteor
plucky sage
But a good feral will put bleeds up before bear, and knows he can chill for 10s in bear and not lose damage
waxen meteor
yeah it's hard to avoid initial dmg
and there are lots of times good feral will catch good break between gos
and go kitten on you
minor cape
i once thought i had enough damage to kill a feral through thorns, big mistakr
plucky sage
Hehehe yea
That shit slaps melee
I insta swap when I see thorns
Not worth the extra pressure you put on your healer
dull bridge
a good feral counters rogue for sure, depending on spec
minor cape
touch of karma and thorns were those spells that i learned the hard way when i was starting the game
minor cape
well touch of karma for sure is powerful as fuck
cause you cant really beat monk while he has it activr
plucky sage
a good feral counters rogue for sure, depending on spec
I agree. The bleeds make restealth really hard, roots makes connecting hard, and thorns is thorns
minor cape
the worst part is your vanish doesnt do much
waxen meteor
I think sin is okay against feral
minor cape
like his bleeds are so huge
jolly sierra
touch of karma is weak
minor cape
you dont heal at all
waxen meteor
you don't like each other
jolly sierra
u can bypass it with a healer
waxen meteor
they don't like you as well
minor cape
its dispellable?
jolly sierra
i talk as monk alt and former main, in shadowlands that shit wasn't enough to let u live
plucky sage
Good info thanks Very Interesting Female Panda
jolly sierra
kek
chrome schooner
can't*
jolly sierra
wut
minor cape
wait
jolly sierra
u can counter the redirect w that
minor cape
i said it many times this chat gives me more skill than actual game
minor cape
dont play your monk anymore i will kill you on rogue
chrome schooner
& it's longer than cloak
jolly sierra
ofc not
jolly sierra
100% sure the magic debuff was the redirect
and the other one just an absorb
minor cape
or is it?
chrome schooner
the redirect has 2debuffs
one that you can remove
the dmg
and one that stacks it
you can't remove the latter
jolly sierra
yeah i know that, but the dangerous one is the redirect
nova viper
Its funny. Retri oneshot you in stun -"Pog, good class, good change"- Rouge do the same -"uga buga nerf bliz!!!!1!1!1!1!1!"-