pvp

[surreal barn]

Which I would love to watch 😂

[pale storm]

Pretty sure Snupy streamed an all ret rbg and they smoked the other team

[surreal barn]

If there is a clip for that link it haha

[wintry dew]

Havent done PvP in a while, queued for shuffle, 2 rets. Yes, they are a BIT overtuned

nothing major

https://tenor.com/view/sweat-gif-20377139

[pale storm]

Here is a link where he tested the new enchant on a dagger

https://twitter.com/snupytv/status/1638928107833815045?s=46&t=AqKD-O46lq5b5odKxaJ4xg

Snupy (@snupytv)

Here it is on a dagger

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Here is 10 ret rbg

https://twitter.com/snupytv/status/1638627617443045378?s=46&t=AqKD-O46lq5b5odKxaJ4xg

Snupy (@snupytv)

10 ret rbgs went pretty good

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[graceful ravine]

this awc is gonna be hilarious

looking forward to it

even pikas team is playing ret/hunter/sham lmao

[waxen meteor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/11zbrrq/df_s2_duelist_illusion_shadow_flame/

Doesn't fit bow that well, but seems alright for others

[jolly sierra]

wait can illusions be used in ranged weps?

[fierce laurel]

I only queue sub

[wicked tide]

i mean since ret buffs

[fierce laurel]

No I don’t play this week.

[wicked tide]

yea i played on my alt

2500-1700 now

lol shit is comedy

[jolly sierra]

OHHHHH THE MISERY

[wicked tide]

i just wanted to see how unfair it actually felt b4 the nerfs TBH

[vocal surge]

Soulrip feels weaker to me

than the S1 tier set

Could be the combat log being pepega thou

Actually

This has potential

So

I'd argue

its not worth hitting BTE to hit off 4p

[dull bridge]

wise man

[vocal surge]

my highest Soulreave was 34k Crit

But it resets my Soulrip

so Soulrip will drop from 15k per tick

down to 750/tick then ramp up to 8k

[dull bridge]

wdym resets, does the 4p proc put up a new soul rip from its own damage?

[vocal surge]

So

Soulrip is accumulated damage

and it ticks for around 75% to 80% of the stored damage of Soulreave

and its a constant tick

It also doesn't crit from what it looks like

[dull bridge]

yes it's so it doesn't double dip

[vocal surge]

However the moment you Soulreave, it can crit

but it resets the damage output of Soulrip

Which means the damage you going already w. soulrip drops drastically

for a small burst that can be covered in 2 ticks

[dull bridge]

you never lose damage by popping 4p

that doesn't make any sense

[vocal surge]

Soulrip does a lot of DPS

more than 4p and AGI bonus

[dull bridge]

4p damage is based on soul rip damage

[vocal surge]

Ye

[dull bridge]

it's by definition more damage

[vocal surge]

Soulrip does 75% to 80% of the stored damage per tick

Soulrip ticks every second

Before pressing Between the Eyes to let go of all that Stored Damage

Soulrip was doing 14747 DPS

on its own

Soulreave then hits for 36k

and then Soulrip has to re-ramp

[dull bridge]

look
scenario A: there's 10k damage stored, you don't do anything and it deals 10k damage over however many seconds
scenario B: you press bte and do 20k damage instantly and gain agi

I'm hoping that it's obvious which one is better

[vocal surge]

Could just BTE someone other than your main target for 1 CP

to just have the AGI

and continue ramping the soulrip on your main kill target

then reset before it drops off

4p 7% AGI activates regardless if the target has Soulrip or not

[dull bridge]

1. bte pops all soulreaves
2. popping soulrip is always more damage

[vocal surge]

If it pops all soulreaves

then its prob not worth using off CD

[dull bridge]

what part of "popping soulrip is always more damage" is confusing to you

[lucid citrus]

anyone using the new ring?

[vocal surge]

Yeee

Not using 4p and instead using S1 2p/ S2 2p yielded more DPS for me

over 2p + 4p from new set

8k DPS difference

alongside 1 talent pick difference since 2/2 didn't pop BTE as often, placed that in Count the Odds

[dull bridge]

nerfed by %75 in pvp, unless there's a filthy good combo that performs despite that it's not worth it

[potent pivot]

It looks pretty good for outlaw at least

[dull bridge]

which gems are those?

makes sense since we scale horribly with 2 of the 3 secondary stats

but i don't mind haste as much

and crit is going to the gutter in 10.1

[potent pivot]

Scaling is a meme

But the same gems outlaw is running in pve afaik

[tame rivet]

ask me, i have 1.3k solo rounds on pre-rework ret 🙂

[pale storm]

How much rating did you climb this week?

[tame rivet]

well, I managed to get 1.8k before rework, mind you I'm first pvp season, and climbed only 300, to 2.1k - I don't deserve it, but I'll take it, and I'll quit pvp until ret becomes stable, I just wanted the enchant, 300 cr in .. almost 2 days of queue, but 1 hour queues - I'm still quite bad in terms of game sense

but i can imagine how a seasoned player could jump to over 2.4k in no time rn

ret's disgusting and turned into a facemash class atm. im waiting for the damage nerfs and hoping its survivability won't get touched too much, pre-rework if ret was focused bubble would go up in 10 seconds (in solos)

[pale storm]

Keep pushing while Ret is insane, get that 2.4 tabard my guy!

[tame rivet]

I would, but it's getting hard even at 2.1, I still have a lot to learn tbh - atm the issue is that people don't respect ret burst, if they do, I can end up with 0/6 shuffles easily

but that's just due to my lack of game sense

i'm happy with 2.1, it's way more than I expected anyway

[jolly sierra]

then i'll do it for u

wait for me 2k4

[tame rivet]

you go! if you can, do it!

i really don't think I can

[pale storm]

Only way to get better is to play, record games, watch replays and learn from mistakes

[tame rivet]

^ this tbh; I sometimes get someone watch me play via Discord and tell me where I mess up, helps a lot

[pale storm]

Yeah, definitely

[tame rivet]

what I learned, after raging so much, as long as you don't play for rating and play to improve, things are lookin bright for you

[uneven grove]

pls enlighten me before i smash my desk

is this normal damage breakdown for a fcking sub rogue?

7 shadowstrike pressed in 2 minute game

[tame rivet]

watching that from ret perspective looks like extremely low dmg

[jolly sierra]

final veredict goes brrrrrrrrrr

[surreal barn]

This is so hilarious

[jolly sierra]

ret logic in a nutshell

[tame rivet]

can confirm

[copper maple]

I read "nice feet" at first 😄

[jolly sierra]

XD

[light estuary]

i'd think wheelchair class would have a feet fetish 🙂

[jolly sierra]

and be a streamer simp

[spring bough]

My favorite ret experience was last night. Ret just decided every game he was going to chase and only attack the healer. Safe to say healer got deleted all but one time 😂

[jolly sierra]

XD

[spring bough]

God damn this ring got hot fixed for the outlaw combo but I see that other gems are getting buffed…. Rogue luck continues lmao

[waxen meteor]

didn't follow the ring topic, is it super good for outlaw pvp?

honestly didn't even really activate outlaw this season

[spring bough]

They just nerfed the humming gem to 20seconds ICD so there goes a decent amount of damage it was doing

[dull bridge]

the combo wasn't really rogue specific was it

can just replace humming with another damage gem

[spring bough]

I guess any DPS could have used the combo that did magic damage cause that’s what procs the humming gem and our poisons count as magic

Seems like humming still better than freezing but they are apparently buffing the other gems according to outlaw channel

[quaint cedar]

I was wondering how outlaw was proccing magic damage, I didn't think of the poisons

[spring bough]

So the nerf was 20seconds on poisons procing humming not twilight so it’s only a 1% loss they are saying

[quaint cedar]

Interesting

so now that they crit does that go off our actual crit chance? outlaw has such high crit

[spring bough]

I think so? Someone just linked a sim showing freezing is top ST lmao. This is wild outlaw channel going nuts. Freezing could be better than humming in pvp with its slow

[lucid citrus]

lol damn just as i upgraded the humming

so we replace that with the freezing now?

[spring bough]

I’m holding off some people simming higher w freezing others aren’t 🤷‍♂️

Prob just going to end up copping one max it and just real world test it lol

[potent pivot]

This is prob your best bet ngl

Pvp and pve being much different could result in you wanting something different

The more people testing in pvp the better

[dull bridge]

also I've been playing dispatcher fth with thistle tea

feels less energy starved than the ho dance build and i don't need to despair when i get a bad roll

[jolly sierra]

are u sure a statless -75% pvp multiplier ring will be a good idea?

[spring bough]

No idea lol. About to find out and play more games. Gotta get a freezing gem so I can compare to humming

[jolly sierra]

pls dont test in shuffle

[waxen meteor]

i havne't logged on rogue basically

since i finished the quest on new map

[jolly sierra]

i didn't entered into the new map

yet

queue times are way too long

[lucid citrus]

yeah i just tested the ring against a guard druid and freezing ice storm only did 5.5k on a full go for outlaw lol not worth

it shows well on a pvp dummy so it is deceiving

[tawny kestrel]

cus it isnt nerfed on a pvp dummy

just tried stuff too

ring did 5-6% of my damage

as outlaw which is one of if not the highest % gain from the ring

so dunno if worth

[jolly sierra]

a regular stat ring would be better tho

[spring bough]

wow im killing rares in the reach and ally tagged one and some dude multi boxing 5 DHs came in and just decimated them LOL

[jolly sierra]

even the blue pvp one

[potent pivot]

don't think the stats on a ring are worth that % tbh

[jolly sierra]

in pve sure, but in pvp with all that nerfs

think is better

[potent pivot]

for sub it's more than likely not worth, i'd say it's def not worth as assa

but for outlaw it's pretty big

[potent pivot]

nerfing 5% dmg by 25% is only -1.25%

[jolly sierra]

check more

[potent pivot]

it's not that big a difference

but it's a bit harder to quantify accurately the - from the secondary stats, though i wouldn't say they're worth 4%

[tawny kestrel]

does the ring procs interact with frozen devotion at all

[potent pivot]

dunno tho for sure tbf

[tawny kestrel]

like would it make frozen devotion proc more

[potent pivot]

i don't think so, but can def look into it

[spring bough]

bout to do a solo and see what overall is looking like after 6 rounds lol

[modern python]

how are we feeling about the CC changes in particular? will rogues still be strong in 1v1 and 1v2 or is it going to have a big impact on finesse classes?

[jolly sierra]

don't

pls don't shuffle

[waxen meteor]

for all shuffles i did from last afternoon

i think i did 6

only 1 game had 1 ret

other games had 2 or more..

[modern python]

you won all of them?

[waxen meteor]

doing at roughly 2k-2k2 MMR

it's funny everyone is complaining abouut their rank drops

[modern python]

have the CC reduction changes already hit or are they 10.1?

[waxen meteor]

10.1

won't see that probably for a while

[modern python]

what sort of impact do you think it will have?

[waxen meteor]

well hard to say on paper

[modern python]

I am wanting to play a class that is really good in 1on1

[waxen meteor]

i personally don't like it

i honestly think blind - restealth - sap is a classic thing for rogue

taking it away is sad

[spring bough]

over 6 rounds rings procs did 6.5% of my damage. not too bad but idk if thats worth losing the vers

[waxen meteor]

% cannot tell value in such case easily

[modern python]

do we think rogue will still be one of the strongest 1v1 and world pvp classes?

I'm trying to work out if the damage to CC is going to make zugzug classes almost always stronger 1v1

[waxen meteor]

it's extremely hard to predict

everything is bounded to dmg

[modern python]

hmm ok ty

[dull bridge]

%6.5 doesn't sound that bad

i'm having trouble believing secondary stats would give you the same amount of damage

[spring bough]

after a second que its pretty consistent with the 6.5%

[lucid citrus]

what are the 3 stones youre using

[dull bridge]

let's q i got my snd up

[spring bough]

twilight/blood/humming

[wise breach]

Humming got nerfed hard with the 20s icd

[spring bough]

just copped the freezing one time to get 20 more dormants to upgrade it lol

[jolly sierra]

NEW RECORD

my comp is a ret

got 4

went 5-1

what a fkn match

imo rets will inflate a lot the cr with all their BS

in the bracket

[lucid citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dont-say-nicolas-cage-wow-really-no-kidding-gif-5343842

[waxen meteor]

It’s good

This week there’s 57292573820 high cr ret

[jolly sierra]

agree

[waxen meteor]

Then when they are nerfed

They feedback

[jolly sierra]

found one at 2k2

[waxen meteor]

Or they don’t log in again

[jolly sierra]

and died like 5 times

inflated af

[vocal surge]

I find it hard to win a game

if its 2 ret paladins

if its 1, its manageable

[waxen meteor]

Yeah

And now the lobbies are kinda one at least

[waxen meteor]

And tbh I don’t know why they still go for dps

It’s easier to go healer

[vocal surge]

yeee

[spring bough]

havent tried this freezing in arena yet but im out here hitting mobs and the thing crits for 70k

4 hits on an elite mob 35k normal avg and 70k crit avg lol

[waxen meteor]

70s sounds good

[dull bridge]

how many procs per minute

[spring bough]

45 seconds to kill the elite 3 procs 141k dmg so 75% of that in pvp and prob less still lol

[vocal surge]

[jolly sierra]

3 pallys now and a dk

the dk, gladiator went 0-6

[vocal surge]

Ooof

Thinking of doing 3 +15 or higher keys for 3 more Concentrated Primal Foci

[jolly sierra]

are u sure?

u need it?

[vocal surge]

Ye

No

[jolly sierra]

:l

[vocal surge]

But having a higher base ilvl for PvP gear is better

[jolly sierra]

emmm

[vocal surge]

Imagine

[jolly sierra]

i estimate than this season will end at may

[vocal surge]

ilvl 418 Boots over 386

Ye

[jolly sierra]

ah well

sure, go ahead

[vocal surge]

yee

[jolly sierra]

@waxen meteor any news from ur ret?

[waxen meteor]

no i get online normally later

[jolly sierra]

XD

[scarlet shell]

i just saw a ret paladin eat two healthbars

well time to reroll

[spring bough]

after one round im thinking this humming hits more than the frozen gem lol. time to get another and test stormings up next loll

[spring bough]

yeah humming > freezing in pvp. humming did more in one game than freezing in 6 lol

[jolly sierra]

got rextroy in a 2s match

crap this shit is deflated af

[vague summit]

is Sin still viable?

[dull bridge]

yes

[left spoke]

Just boycott queueing tbh

I think most people aren't queueing rn

Unless they're Ret

[jolly sierra]

im the ret

for this week

[left spoke]

A spec not blatantly broken as shit destroying the ladder challenge (impossible)

From dh to sp to feral to arms to ret

I swear it has to be on purpose

[ruby drift]

Incompetence**

[waxen meteor]

glad wow isn't a gotacha game

[left spoke]

fotm rerolling has never been easier

[jolly sierra]

this season is chaotic af

[vague summit]

love the name

[tribal bay]

yeah but if they changed this back it would be cringe as hell

and nobody would play

[old brook]

did they really nerf sub in pvp? and not the others..? wat

[dull bridge]

everybody playing whatever they want is great for the game

random op specs don't get to fly under the radar because only their mains are playing them

[old brook]

Agreed. We always had to sacrifice cooldowns to do it or commit heavily to dropping combat. Lowering the skillcap zzz

[dull bridge]

also most classes have similar long cd/duration disables nowadays - warrior fear (8 seconds), ret blind, dh fear off the top off my head

these are all aoe

kidney is going to be literally the same button as maim in 10.1

[waxen meteor]

i don't like bring down uniqueness

[dull bridge]

me neither

[waxen meteor]

there needs to be differences between classes

balancing doesn't mean make everything the same with different animation and names

then why do you need these classes and specs

[old brook]

fr

[vocal surge]

agreed

[faint vessel]

What stones you guys use for sub in pvp?

[ionic dune]

Shhhh blizzards hoping nobody notices and thinks they are just good at balancing

[dull bridge]

none

[vocal surge]

starting to use more addons and more keybinds

[sharp sierra]

Has anyone tried to spend conquest on boxes yet to fully gear an alt and if so how much conquest did you have to spend to fully gear the alt

[nova viper]

Sub is op know

[minor cape]

sub still good

still huge dam in a go

still stuns

the dps on dummy is same pretty much, secret tech still goes 240k for me

what im still trying to understand is if new ring is worth it

yes damage is reduced for pvp

but may still give more damage

than what we have now

[naive plank]

Am i the onyl one having issues with ret palas after the patch? they are literally running over me...

[minor cape]

no you are not

they are bonkers and have 65 wr

rn

so dont queue ur main

till its fixed

[naive plank]

I just returned to the game, so not looking for arenas

but in BGs and world Pvp im dying in 1 hammer of justice

also any good tips against warrior? seems like Im having a hard time against them as well

[surreal barn]

Open hard on them when they are <20% health

If they don’t die vanish and try again later in the bg

[naive plank]

what abotu when I get charged by one

Basically but the time I break free from CC pop evasion, 50+% of my hp is gone...

[surreal barn]

In bgs vanish shield is pretty nice for surviving and stealthing back to the pack

Can also disarm, it’s a 1min cd

[naive plank]

basically trying to do the same

but my current main issues are Hunters, Warrios and Ret Paladins

[surreal barn]

You’ll get the hang of it. Just need to queue some more bgs

[naive plank]

probably... Queued arenas for the weekly Q, gotta say i'm terrible at them

[minor cape]

you cant do much w ret right now

[minor cape]

disarm when they dont have immunity

shiv them with crippling to slow them

stun them A LOT

pop evasions

[surreal barn]

If they have all their cds you really have to try and get a reset in bgs at the moment they have an answer to a lot when guarding bases

[minor cape]

yeah sometimes you just run from a warrior

[naive plank]

I think 1 of my biggest mistakes is sometimes I try to do more dmg instead of just stunning them

[minor cape]

and vanish if speared

[naive plank]

btw, for sub in which point you apply rupture on them and spend some points on SND?

[minor cape]

also if warrior is just running towards you (not charging) try to gouge

after dance

first you apply rupture

then slice and dice

outside of go i mean

[surreal barn]

A great oh shit button in BGs is shadow duel. If you are getting trained and an enemy healer is near you can just duel them and gtfo

[minor cape]

you never rupture when in dance

[naive plank]

so opener > dance > ST > dance ends and THEN rupture + SND?

[minor cape]

no no

do you play cdr with 7 combo points?

or echoing

[naive plank]

currently Echoing + Danse + Dark Brew build

[minor cape]

do you play 4cp?

on dance

first dance talent

[naive plank]

yes

[minor cape]

if so you need to gouge or cheap offtarget

[naive plank]

if that helps

[minor cape]

then you go like this

pop your trinket, blades, maybe symbols -> pop dance -> kidney shot -> shadowstrike -> eviscerate -> echoing -> secret technique

then if you want you can dance again and just do your shadowstrike eviscerate thing

and after your go is over

then you put ruptures

and then you slice and dice

[minor cape]

id honestly play rotten in bgs

check out pikaboos build

[naive plank]

I haven't tried it yet

[minor cape]

its cool

[naive plank]

but after played some games with this one in bgs with does one

feels kinda not very well suited for BGs

at least in most cases

[naive plank]

so basically after I blow everything and the I go to my "sustain dmg"

[minor cape]

yeah kinda like that

[naive plank]

which is sustainably not existing for years..

[minor cape]

well your build is very much

sustained dam

id tweak some stuff tho

check out murlok io

for builds of best players

[naive plank]

I'm trying...

[minor cape]

btw raz says brew build is good everytime so i might not be saying correct things

[minor cape]

if you play brew stuff then need to have gloomblade pretty much

and energy thing is not needed at all

improved shadow techniques

or whats it called

the shadowblades cdr is better

[naive plank]

I was planning to test btw kinda this build, but instead of echoing

to go for vigor

but dunno how viable this would be

[night olive]

This still holds after this patch's nerfs?

[minor cape]

i dunno

i never managed to make it work anyway

and he said it was my l2p issue

🫡

[minor cape]

there was some build like that but it makes completely no sense

for bg

you need big burst and not sustain

because fightning on mid is not smth you do as sub

[naive plank]

facts

too bad I suck big time at arenas

and really don't like 3s...

[minor cape]

try shuffle it's pretty fun

[naive plank]

tried yesterday... 1 holy paladin and 2 retries in the roaster of 6

not gonna say i got raped

[minor cape]

well queieng rn against ret is insanity

[naive plank]

unless I dump Cloaked in shadows for goombles for arenas

can't see from what else I can take

[minor cape]

in this build people usually drop vanish shield

[naive plank]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/subtlety/DAPUVQQREUFChSJEYEBQOUFQVEVFAoEQoKFBA

is Mark + Secret Strategem viable?

[minor cape]

there is no marked

now here

echoing is better than deeper strat

but it's the build

[naive plank]

got it

[minor cape]

pretty much

also drop unbreakable stride

for prey on the weak

and cheat death for feint

[naive plank]

pretty much my feel is like, blizzard decision to create this type of talents so good, but in the end they failed miserably to a degree... since I'm forced to 2-3 builds... everything else is just not good enough

[naive plank]

fair enough

[minor cape]

there are a lot of viable options actually

but for arena

[naive plank]

I feel like everything revolves around 2-3-4 things

[minor cape]

still rotten and brew builds are most popular

rn

[naive plank]

and if I try something different the output is just not good enough

my 3 problems with sub tree --> ST gated behind silent storm

Sepsis. I have no clue why that talent even exist...

Flagellation does seem to be very used as well

[fierce cosmos]

sin rogue talents pls?

[minor cape]

someone sent his build

with flagelation

i also tried

you can do 300k secret tech pretty fun

the thing with flag is it boosts your mastery

[naive plank]

was this build with Thisle tea ?

for some mastery stacking?

[minor cape]

nah it was rotten

just no actual rotten talent

instead there was flag

the dude who sent it said that he first gets all cooldowns then flags a guy and one shots in duel

[naive plank]

so where do you put flag? just before ST after the usual rotation we talked about?

[minor cape]

no

you have to flag, hit him for a bit then do your go

to stack mastery

[surreal barn]

@minor cape I used with thistle yesterday on my alt but brew build no ST

[naive plank]

also when they will make evis to hit again as the old days

[minor cape]

it does

but with brew

you do have stacked mastery

right?

[naive plank]

btw, should I stick to crimson set for pvp for now

or go for the drakebreaker 4 piece?

[surreal barn]

Drake 4pc only works in world pvp

[minor cape]

the best way is to stack some drake items

and some crimson items

to get maximum mastery

except main hand dagger

it must be crimson

you can use 2 piece tier set as well

head and chest

if you want to

as to rings

you should have one honor ring and one conquest ring mastery both

or crafted mastery ring instead of honor one

[fierce cosmos]

any1 got sin rogue

talnets pvp they can share

[minor cape]

should be in pvp faq

[naive plank]

oh... not in BGs?

[minor cape]

nop

would be op as hell

[naive plank]

welll, I suspected as much

it was too good to be true

😄

[naive plank]

currently using crimson main + drakebreaker off, since that's what I have

[naive plank]

Haste has no use to me for sub right? unless i'm missing something

[minor cape]

yep get as much mastery as possible

if no mastery then crit

[naive plank]

just changed some stuff, managed to get over 30% mastery with 17-18% crit

which is way better

[minor cape]

hmmm

it should be much higher

you wearing blues?

mastery would be more than 60%

usually

[naive plank]

well that's with crimson glad dagger main, and everything else is the blue crimson + 1 drakebreaker

41% mastery(but i'm not in arena or BG currently)

[minor cape]

mine is 62 outside pvp

and ive seen some dude have 69

so yeah

[naive plank]

can you link me your armory?

[minor cape]

need those items

Adskydroch on ravencrest

[naive plank]

but I have not a damn enchant except of sophic devoution

[tawny kestrel]

cutoffs for titles are out btw if anyone cares

[naive plank]

also I havent' upgraded the crimson set... they are level 1

[minor cape]

crimson set scales right away

oh man here is raz

now we can ask

would you still play dark brew in battlegrounds?

@tawny kestrel

[tawny kestrel]

random bgs or rated

[minor cape]

lets say rated

cdr is crucial isnt it

[tawny kestrel]

ye just play cdr

[minor cape]

ty

[naive plank]

are you playing echoing in there too?

[tawny kestrel]

nah typically you'd play mfd for bgs

[minor cape]

oh wha

[tawny kestrel]

i mean all of this depends on map

idk what u are trying to do here

so its hard to answer

[naive plank]

mfd?

[minor cape]

marked for death

[naive plank]

I got back to the game after 3year pause... I'm trying to not get raped

[naive plank]

oh... so my logic there wasn't that wrong after all

[tawny kestrel]

but what is the purpose of your build

i dont know what content u do

if u wanna cap a base u need x build

if u wanna do damage u need x build

[naive plank]

well, I plan to do mainly BGs

I'm not a fan of arenas

[minor cape]

whats up with mfd? whats the use case

in bg

[tawny kestrel]

yeah ok but bgs is a bit of a wide concept

mfd is for capping bases

[naive plank]

I'm well aware, sir. Every tip is highly appreicated tho

[tawny kestrel]

ok basically

u need different builds depending on the map

but if u are just doing random bgs

it doesnt matter

[naive plank]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/sylvanas/addommor

so what's wrong with these items, that I get only 41% mastery....

[naive plank]

well I don't think I can find a RBG team at this point so...

[minor cape]

nothing wrong they just blue

you also dont have infurious boots

and infurious head

[naive plank]

worth upgrading it to level 5 or not?

[minor cape]

and some are not drakebreakers

ehich should be

no

it doesnt do anything

[naive plank]

though so

[minor cape]

they scale to the same ilvl

in pvp

anyway

[naive plank]

that's from LW right?

[minor cape]

whats lw

its crafted item

[naive plank]

I though so, asked if it was from leatherworking

[minor cape]

prolly

just use crafting orders

its not very expensive

[naive plank]

just watching your armory... I have the same chest(pve one) as you

should I use it in the pvp?

[minor cape]

why is that a pve chest

it scales to 424

does it say that in your chests tooltip?

[naive plank]

unless I'm missing somethig...

[minor cape]

i think

you have to get in a pvp way

for it to work

[naive plank]

how should I know what scales and what not if they don't write it... ffs

[minor cape]

either from great vaults pvp section or upgrading a pvp item with catalyst

[minor cape]

cause yours doesnt

you got it w pve

[naive plank]

okay, now it all make sense

yours got me confused a lot

[minor cape]

thats your tier set

that you could use two pieces from

or you could also not

it doesnt matter too much

some people use head + chest from tier set, some just use infurious hood

and db chest

[naive plank]

what was the way to change pve gear to pvp, I'm brainfarting, and I'm sure I have done it recently

[minor cape]

nah you cant do it

[naive plank]

or it was to change it to "set piece"

it was fot set pieces

[minor cape]

you can upgrade purple db chest

for set piece

with revival catalyst

google catalyst system

revival catalyst

[naive plank]

changed 2 pieces with drake, to get to 45% mastery and 15% crit..

will get there with some purples

[harsh steppe]

do we know anything about what they are doing to counter our major debuffs in 10.1 yet? gm

[naive plank]

but thanks, with 15-16% mastery now, things should be way better in bgs now

[naive plank]

nothing, so we can be sad

[minor cape]

we will be okay as usual

dont forget we ourselves will not be cced as much and we will have a free symbols on dance

[harsh steppe]

hmm true

[naive plank]

free symbols?

[minor cape]

and longer cheap

[harsh steppe]

we are gonna be a bit more sustain over burst tho right?

yah cheap is gonna be super op i think

[minor cape]

i dont think so

but idk

lets see

[harsh steppe]

ah ok

[minor cape]

[harsh steppe]

i'm just so impatient i want to know so bad

[minor cape]

rogue never dies

[harsh steppe]

free symbols will mean many more mini GOs though right?

[minor cape]

hopefully

[naive plank]

what free symbols are you guys talking about? when I was looking at the patch notes there was only a mention for kick?

and the other cc related changes

[harsh steppe]

it's the tier set 2 bonus

looks really nice

4 set not so much but def gonna go 2 set

[naive plank]

oh..

so free symbol when we enter dance

nice

[harsh steppe]

yah gonna be lots of mini GOs

[wary spire]

Noob question, but how should I deal with warrior or/and dh zug zuging me on asssa rogue? Sure, i can get away from them while I have my evasion/disarm/vanish, but after that each shadowstep is countered by leap/charge and once in in execute range it's over. How do I even apply pressure in that situation if I'm the one getting pressured to hell?

[naive plank]

I have the same issue with these both classes as Sub

now you can add to that Ret Pala

where I just vanish and GTFO

[potent pivot]

Have to use your CC kit and try to keep pressure up while also trying to survive

Keep in mind your CC can be used defensively if needed

[naive plank]

wtf, why even sin rogues run on mastery with only 5-8% haste

[potent pivot]

Because it’s the best choice

[naive plank]

last time when I played(BFA) haste for sin was viable

[twin burrow]

I feel bad for you trickz lol

Kudos

[wary spire]

That's all well and good, but let's say I kidney war, he trinkets, I get focused, I escape with vanish, it's 3v2 for my team, now what? Show myself, get focused, evasion, evasion runs out, disarm, get disarmed myself, blind war out of despair, it instantly breaks by my teammate and here I usually die. Maybe I have a second kidney and it doesn't even on dr, but by that time I made very little pressure and enemy healer has a lot of cooldowns.

[copper maple]

If you leave in soloq, the round isn't counted, right?

As a win/loss

[harsh steppe]

no you definitely lose a lot of rating

[copper maple]

I feel like I was at 3 wins at the last round, someone left and I stayed at 3

And got 0 rating 🙂

[harsh steppe]

oh if they do then the match gets calculated based on the wins/losses you have

[wary spire]

Yeah. After a losing streak it is possible to go 4-2 and get 0 rating.

[wary spire]

So, is there a fatal flaw here somewhere? Or the real solution is to level a ret and join the zugzug movement?

[vocal surge]

Have you tried Defensively shivving?

[copper maple]

These rets are weird. They have all the damage possible but often still do something dumb like running from the healer and lose you a game.

Feels like everyone's rating depends on when a ret brain farts

[karmic summit]

İ think best course of action is to try pve till ret gets nerfed

[wary spire]

No, I cannot say I have.

[vocal surge]

It slows the warrior down to a crawl if you have slowing poison on

and it gets better if your at the edge of Acrobatic Strike

as your in the sweet spot where they cant charge or leap at you

and if they try to Stormbolt you, it takes them the entire duration of the stun to start hitting you

[wary spire]

Hm. I don't think I'm good enough to measure the sweet spot, but I haven't even considered this strategy before. Sounds cool.

[vocal surge]

You can tell your in the sweet spot as your hitting the edge of your ability's range

[wary spire]

I'll try that, thanks!

[vocal surge]

like white but a step back and it turns red for being out of range

[floral meadow]

hey guys. I leveled yesterday to lvl 70 with my rogue and today i'm fully honor geared with unrated bgs. I'm struggeling a little bit now:

• Whats the next step in gear progression? Play ranked -> get conquest gear?
• Should i upgrade my honor gear with honor points? What should i do with the honor i get now?
• Should i get other gear pieces from "some where else"?
• Beside that world pvp is fun, should i do the world pvp quest?
• What else should i know?

thanks!

@harsh steppe which faq pvp guide do you mean?

[harsh steppe]

the ones in the sidebar here

[night olive]

You should for sure do the trophies of strife quest each week anyways. No use finding out you want them later on only to be time gated by a weekly

[floral meadow]

ok, thanks

[harsh steppe]

np

[wary spire]

But wait, wouldn't it be countered by piercing howl?

[vocal surge]

Piercing Howl isnt as slow as Shiv

[wary spire]

I see. I thought both were 70.

[vocal surge]

Shiv w. Improved Poisons is 84%

[wary spire]

So other than leap->charge or spear they can do nothing for ~16 seconds with both shives used if I can mange to stay at 6-7 yards?

Is there a play against the spear btw? Pop a feint and pray?

[spring bough]

I always switch to disarm over maneuverability when I see a warrior too if you’re not rocking that pvp talent

[naive plank]

anyone here using Omnibar? It constantly throws erros to my interface, or just freezes my action bars

[wicked rampart]

Self promo is a no-no on this server, just a heads up

[unborn portal]

yes

[harsh steppe]

i mean it’s related to the guys question

[unborn portal]

I answered him hyper already

in another discord

[harsh steppe]

huh?

[wicked rampart]

Doesn't matter, I've seen others get nuked for it, just trying to give you a heads up

[unborn portal]

lmao

[harsh steppe]

if it’s related to the question i thought it would be ok but mb
and idk what’s going on in other discords?

[wicked rampart]

If it's relevant to them just DM it next time

[unborn portal]

oh im just letting you know

not flaming you for your video or anything

but yea It might get taken down

[harsh steppe]

i see guides posted here all the time

[unborn portal]

gonna make a guide on how to avoid getting your guides taken down on rogue discord

[lucid citrus]

It’s probably not their own guide so they are not self-promoting?

[unborn portal]

they said it is

[wary spire]

I'll post anything if you pay me.

Technically not self promotion then.

[lucid citrus]

All this can just be easily avoided if you just DM the person next time👍🏽

[harsh steppe]

he said he was a noob & asked on how to get started w/ pvp gear, i made a specific guide for noobs on how to get started w/ pvp gear... i was just trying to help him out

[vocal surge]

Pretty much and you can predict the spear

If you see their arm go back like they're grabbing a spear and there is a good distance from you and the warrior

you can Shadowstep him

or a nearby ally to avoid the Spear of Bastion

If you do get pinned by a spear, you can also break out of it via bugs

Haven't been able to replicate it 100% but shadowstepping out when getting pulled in breaks the spear's pull

[potent pivot]

Probably best to DM it as someone already stated above, just to be safe

[lucid citrus]

@harsh steppe https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/215503271068958722

It’s in the rules my dude

[unborn portal]

no one is flaming you for trying to help

its just rules apply to everyone

🙂

[potent pivot]

On a technicality if it pertains to the discussion at hand then it can be considered okay, but if it’s one person asking a question you think correlates to your video then as said it’s safer to just DM

[wary spire]

Huh. Wow, didn't notice that. Cool.

[potent pivot]

Just have to try to keep up enough pressure so that they aren’t always gunning at you. A good offense can help with defense.

[vocal surge]

^

[potent pivot]

Ik especially vs those 2 classes it’s easy to get overwhelmed by their pressure, but if you keep dots rolling on them, shiv when you need to etc etc

[wary spire]

My gear is not the best currently. Started playing again like three weeks ago, rocking a 2p tier and that 4 piece warmode stuff. Will probably lose majority of dmg races.

[vocal surge]

As long as you have a decent stat ratio for your spec

you should do decent damage

its also good to practice up on your rotation

The difference between knowing and not knowing your rotation is pretty big

[unborn portal]

verm doing outlaw dam

scary

[vocal surge]

Back when Outlaw was big in S4, I would completely destroy other Outlaw players in the DPS race because I knew how to optimize my damage even if it was a small amount

[unborn portal]

ok lets not say destroy

lmao

[vocal surge]

In 2s, I did destroy other Outlaw players

even if my healers were bad

and the enemy Outlaw team was in general better

[unborn portal]

send games tonight verm

[vocal surge]

Aye

Need a partner

[unborn portal]

me

priest is 424

[vocal surge]

lesgo

rn im still setting up new pvp UI

[unborn portal]

thank god

[vocal surge]

New Nameplates, clear UI

compare to you know

my old setup lol

and then gonna get a CC tracker

also gotta setup my filters for pets and adds

so my screen isn't cluttered by Minions

also gonna make spammable macros

that will allow me to target specific targets

like totems, banners, etc.

[wary spire]

I got this part.! Garrote, rupture, crying, sbs, alt tabing to forums, shiv, kyrian thing.

[vocal surge]

and another one to swap back to targets (Arena Targets 1 - 3)

[spring bough]

It makes me feel better when I see pshero playing outlaw going through the same struggles I’ve had all week. Getting deleted by paladins 😂

[unborn portal]

yes pls

[naive plank]

bro

literally 5minutes ago

[unborn portal]

which arena addon are you getting

gladius or

[naive plank]

I was deleted by 1 pala in 1 stun time

[vocal surge]

no gladius

gonna find an alternative

[spring bough]

I think sArena is a similar one to gladius if you haven’t tried that if I’m remembering the right name

[unborn portal]

I liked gladiusex on my rogue since you can change dr's icons
instead of showing another classes stun icon you change change it to "Kidney Shot" icon instead for stun icon etc

No need to guess if that dr icon is a stun or something

[vocal surge]

yee

[dull bridge]

at least it wasn't a half Dr hoj

welcome to the club

[naive plank]

that's my life since the update...

[vocal surge]

Ooof

I almost won against a double paladin round w. a lock on my team

I was about to hit Evasion when I got nuked for half my healh bar

[dull bridge]

saw a 250k justicars vengeance yesterday, no dark arch too

[scarlet shell]

so is paladin actually that busted

[vocal surge]

yes

[dull bridge]

%100

[vocal surge]

you cant 1v1 them as Outlaw either

[scarlet shell]

and kiting them does nothing

if i was a ranged guy for example

[minor cape]

it doesn't matter if you are ranged or melee he will get you anyway

[dull bridge]

locks seem to be their kryptonite, especially if the healer doesn't track amplified weakness

[minor cape]

there is no defense against him

there is no stunning him

there is no pveing him

there is no outdamaging

😵‍💫

[vocal surge]

slowing poison and lock curses

once they're out of hand of freedoms

you can shiv them for free damage

and control em like cows

[unborn portal]

Mass dispel

[minor cape]

you can

but then its still kinda busted

that his damage is twice the normal dps

and its not even dh fluff

its actual dam

[supple pulsar]

Havn't seen a single rouge in shuffle last days

[minor cape]

that means those rogues are damn good

[pale storm]

Blood elf rogues stonks up? Arcane torrent their bubble

[waxen meteor]

lol

you mean the small shield if you are lucky?

[pale storm]

Haha yeah 😅

[minor cape]

my man if you will get close enough to use it the ret will already kill you

[waxen meteor]

Double ret is almost impossible to win if you are melee

[quaint cedar]

I got deleted by a triple ret team in 3s the other day on my hpriest

Was fun

[plucky sage]

🤣

Nowhere to be seen!

[plucky sage]

The good news is this can't last for them

[quaint cedar]

Yeah 100% ret will get nerfed, just a matter of when

[plucky sage]

Everyone's doing such a good job rerolling, Devs will have to respond. I reckon when we creep back to top spot we gotta keep it low key

Like warlocks, pretend life is hard

[quaint cedar]

I just hope it's soon. I just want to play my rogue

[plucky sage]

I feel you

In the meantime just PVE'ing personally

I can shuffle on feral and it's okay

[bold bison]

I've love to see the official CR changes and spec participation this week

[vague summit]

lol

prob BM hunters

[minor cape]

so being a good rogue again

hehehe

[scarlet shell]

how did ret not get nerfed in the most recent hotfix

at least tone down the numbers if its a data patch or smth

[waxen meteor]

Normally it will take one or two weeks

I don’t think it’s good either to tune down to ground and rebuff

Too many adjustments look so unprofessional

Although it already looks like that

[bold bison]

I cannot think of any other time in the history of WoW that a class has been this good in PvP, and it's unbalanced the ladder so much

been watching R1s on Twitch all day struggling at 2k on their alts

[jolly sierra]

cuz they take 1 week as min

[bold bison]

there's always a FoTM class, but you legit don't see anything close to the volume of Rets

I can't think of one class that's been this bad, Stampede Hunters, Echoing Reprimand Rogues

[jolly sierra]

btw, managed to get good internet this time so i won't lose cr for random dcs

stampede hunters, oh boy how fkn hated them back in the day

[potent pivot]

I remember some pretty fried stuff lol

[bold bison]

it's usually one big spell or something, but the sustain pressure, self healing and defensive toolkit of Ret means they burst like an Affli lock the entire game and can never die

since the start of Shadowlands we've been in a 'post the death log screenshot' to Discord meta, but Ret have 3-4 buttons that can proc that xD

I've parked my Rogue for a while, playing lowbie Shadow Priest. it's like WoW on hard mode.

[jolly sierra]

u did well w parking the rog

is an awful idea to go rogue at this week at least

[bold bison]

I sent 38 boxes to my Ret, fully geared as soon as the patch landed, played one game that was the easiest 6-0 of my life and have never touched it again

it's not fun or rewarding to play

[scarlet shell]

its free CR

free real estate

at this point its not like blizzard ever gave a damn about pvp

i might dust off my old Paladin and play it to 70 ngl

[bold bison]

I'm surprised Ret queues aren't like 40 min because of how many are playing

[jolly sierra]

keep playing, is free elite

or duelist

[bold bison]

nah 1 and done

maybe once it's balanced

playing Pala right now is like buying a piloted arena boost, you may have the titles and transmogs but you didn't earn it

[jolly sierra]

yeah, but is funny

that is the reason to go ret now

[waxen meteor]

Hey I shared my first ret solo as well

easiest 60 at initial mmr

It’s not even a game

As shared I won 3 rounds within 10 seconds

Out dmg 2nd dps by double in 6 rounds total

But at higher mmr it’s not that easy

I guess first issue is you normally get another ret or two in the lobby

So it’s sort of still up to yourself skill now

[minor cape]

they didnt fix it cause they need to test it for a little longer

i guess till reset

[waxen meteor]

And it’s mobility issue is still partially there

Vs frost/lock combo ish it’s not that easy

[minor cape]

hotfixes didnt yet fix any of the numbers

[waxen meteor]

Hotfix normally goes for fixes right?

[minor cape]

yup

for bugs

[waxen meteor]

Class tuning normally goes in only at Tuesday

[minor cape]

also you are saying its not as easy on higher ratings... probably but then again it has 65% winrate its not normal

[misty rivet]

newbie here, what is the recommended spec for rogue intro into pvp ? From other forum people said best rogue spec is ret paladin right now but I am genuinely asking as i plan to start pvp

[dull bridge]

assassin

[minor cape]

y

easiest

[waxen meteor]

I am just saying not that easy

[minor cape]

but if you want to have at least some fun go sub

[misty rivet]

which one offer more value in rbg ?

[minor cape]

sub

[waxen meteor]

Well this week is not a good week to start pvp

One of the worst weeks to start pvp

It will frustrate you for no reason

[minor cape]

assas and sub are both playable in rbg but they kinda do different stuff

[waxen meteor]

Tbh I like sub in rbg s lot more

I don’t think sin is good

[minor cape]

outlaw is fun too but not as good rn

[waxen meteor]

But it’s playable

[minor cape]

but totally playable

[misty rivet]

I am just farming comp stomp this week and probably start rbg in next week. Hopefully, i won't get globalled by toon with wings that are all over places right now

[waxen meteor]

If you start pvp overall, this week is not the week

[jolly sierra]

unless u go w ret

[misty rivet]

what strength that sub has to offer in rbg ? based on some reading most of the rogue role is to D flag or cap flag

[minor cape]

yes and sub is better at thag

for sure

[waxen meteor]

Single unit tasks

And great flag killer

[minor cape]

assas is probably doing some damage farming and shit

[jolly sierra]

assa is good in flag maps

[misty rivet]

thank you for the genuine answers, i found the wrong forum and people asked me to reroll ret paladin instead

[jolly sierra]

sub most in base ones

[misty rivet]

i will prob try sub then and start watching the posted guideliness here

[jolly sierra]

ah ofc, here we would tell u that jokingly

[waxen meteor]

Shadow duel can help a lot in flag carrier kill as well

[jolly sierra]

but rets will take like 1 week till a nerf

so better go preparing urself for next weeks

[waxen meteor]

also sub has quicker cd overall

[unborn portal]

[waxen meteor]

And less counters

I mean if you go gangbangs in rbg, prbly sin does more dmg

But why have a rogue

[misty rivet]

makes a lot sense. Since i am new, they will prob asked me to guard base or ninja one

hoping someone doesn't have trinket cd or trinketed sap

[waxen meteor]

Sap open flag

If they trinket - blind - open flag

That works for a lot of specs that guard right under the base

But obviously at higher rank people aren’t that noob

If you start as new you could probably see some scenarios like this

After you open base, your primary goal is not to kill

Of course if he can be killed go get it

Survive and interrupt make sure base turn your side, or let it be neutral as long as possible is a major goal

——

Also you can go hard at kidney, because lots of specs if they trinket kidney, blind and open base

[dull bridge]

i think i'll play pink outlaw from now on guys

[unborn portal]

[scarlet shell]

my first class was a rogue

i regret everything

[dull bridge]

with magic kidney and magic blind and big evasion! you also get magic adrenaline rush that gives you the magic between the eyes

it's basically outlaw!

you even get the yellow combo points!

[naive plank]

btw guys, what mice are you using for playing?

[dull bridge]

i got a corsair scimitar recently, it's been pretty good

[vague summit]

Naga trinity

ive had it for 5 years and 2 deployments

[naive plank]

I'm having hard time to re arrange my keybinds

now trying to figure out what to put on mouse ubttons

[vague summit]

how many buttons and what spec

[naive plank]

sub,

[naive plank]

a few

[vague summit]

u move with WASD?

[naive plank]

they are binded to moving yes

basically I want to put spells on Q, E, R, Z, X, C, R, F, T, G, V

[jolly sierra]

HOLY FUCK IM CUMMING

GUYS MY FIRST ELITE W CYBERPUNK 2077 SETUP

[naive plank]

congrats

[jolly sierra]

thank you

[naive plank]

sorry for the stupid question, wtf i Cuberpunk 2077 setup

[jolly sierra]

third world adapted setup

[tawny kestrel]

ret paladin

[naive plank]

at least someone found your G spot at last

[jolly sierra]

yeh but look at my 2013 laptop w taped ethernet cable

[dull bridge]

grats brother

wait it's ret pala

[jolly sierra]

yeah, not too much to flex

[dull bridge]

nvm

[jolly sierra]

i'll try w rog when i have best stuff

[unborn portal]

ok I had a good laugh

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/if-your-struggling-vs-ret/1552991

[naive plank]

TLDR? Is crying mentioned in there?

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[unborn portal]

he said to swap race to lightforge draenei because they take less holy damage

[naive plank]

https://tenor.com/view/mental-gif-10786390

I may haven't played the game in 3 years

[dull bridge]

wow official forums are honestly probably the worst place on the internet

[jolly sierra]

pay cash for something which will stay for like a week?

why

[unborn portal]

yep

[naive plank]

but that's a bit much

[jolly sierra]

nah 4chan is worse

[unborn portal]

I browse once a blue moon but rn with ret tears its a gold mine

[dull bridge]

(as far as wow is concerned)

[unborn portal]

nothing makes me want to stop playing wow more than their official forums

so I dont read it

but we make exception until patch

[jolly sierra]

something which makes me stop playing are ret, dh and warr mains

their comments i say

btw, what happened w pichu? i checked than left the server

[scarlet shell]

4chan is unironically better than wow forums

[jolly sierra]

u sure?

[dull bridge]

I'm tempted to agree if you're not browsing /b/

[scarlet shell]

oh if you go in any old catagory your braincells will die of loneliness

[jolly sierra]

here we have a lot of 4chan based websites

and are the worst shit i've seen, the shit they talk about and the way they do that

[spring bough]

Just saw a ret go 0-6 what is life

[scarlet shell]

i am assuming the ret got targeted so hard

like kill on sight

[plucky sage]

Indeed indeed

[jolly sierra]

or was stomped for another ret or just pressed random buttons

like average ret

[dull bridge]

rets have global taunt right now

[scarlet shell]

true and real

[jolly sierra]

anyways, who do u think will get the nerf hammer alongside rets for this week?

[plucky sage]

Gz too bad Ret got it before Rogue.

[jolly sierra]

nah, with my current stuff was almost impossible to get w rog

ret tbh was just ooga ooga me smash big dmg me win

[spring bough]

Ret didn’t bubble 6 games in a row