pvp

[tribal badger]

ive heard it can break cc still

[tawny kestrel]

frozen for outlaw

[harsh steppe]

same lol

[tribal badger]

did they fix it breaking cc with its cleave?

i havent bothered with it

[tawny kestrel]

no

still best tho

[grave basin]

anyone knows if the new ring coming in .07 is gonna be worth the grind to get?

[bold bison]

2nd thing I've read about this ring, what does it do?

[grave basin]

choose 3

[surreal barn]

I’m thinking it might be why sub got spanked the way it did

Losing that versa kinda stinks though

[scarlet shell]

how did i get first place in trial of style vs people who store brought transmogs

[potent pivot]

[scarlet shell]

imagine an ability working as intended in wow

cries in Screams of the void

[bold bison]

idk they all seem kinda mid. most Dragonflight embellishments and weapon effects (Dragon staff and Hunter bow aside) seem to be capped around 2% damage, I wouldn't be surprised if this thing was just tuned the same way

[surreal barn]

Idk I just imagined someone playing the one shot build with triple storm infused pre-nerf

They were probably like hell no they need a nerf before this goes live

[copper maple]

What are those?

Some "fun" mechanic on par with inner rings of azerite armour?

[wise breach]

It's the new ring we get on Tuesday, it has 3 primordial sockets and no secondary stats

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/forbidden-reach/primordial-stones

[copper maple]

Doesn't feel like it's worth dropping a normal ring for it. Especially the PvP ring with PvP ilvl.

[wise breach]

Going to assume this is going to be fixed when it goes live https://twitter.com/QE_WoW/status/1635433623162699776

Questionably Epic (@QE_WoW)

@WarcraftDevs If you combine the Wild Spirit, Storm Infused and Prophetic Twilight stones on the PTR you get a nice (almost) infinite DPS combo. The DPS stone procs the healing stone which procs the DPS stone and so on. Seems good.

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You can upgrade the primordial stones to 424, but short of stupid interactions like the above, I agree, I'm not sold on this for PvP

[graceful ravine]

INFINITE dps u say

[wise breach]

This one seems like the best one if it has no ICD

[copper maple]

If it's a base 424 (not pvp ilvl), it's probably gonna be a grind to upgrade.

[waxen meteor]

Need a TLDR version of Ret update

we gonna play it today right?

[copper maple]

👨‍🦽

[wise breach]

They gained some more survivability and more consistent damage as I understand it, but I haven't really looked at it in too much detail

[surreal barn]

Did they ever get that teleport they were begging for

[tribal badger]

no

[bold bison]

1 min wings, 30 sec execution sentence, some mobility and harder to kill I believe

but ofc the dmg on their pops is less

[tribal badger]

their charger got a little bit stronger and they got more range on a bunch of spells

didnt actually get any new mobility

[waxen meteor]

yeah but also all skills become range

[waxen meteor]

ret gets mobility through skill range buff

[copper maple]

Imo all rets needed was basically freedom for the duration of the charger

[waxen meteor]

who needs mobility when you cast 3008035840 miles away

[copper maple]

Is it like surv hunt?

[waxen meteor]

didn't think from that direction

i guess yes and no?

will need to log in and check

and copy from some elite ret first

i hardly read my ret skills in detail

[copper maple]

Nobody does xD

[bold bison]

they didn't get that dumb heroic leap ability?

[copper maple]

I leveled a warrior knowing avatar is a big dam button. Apparently it also break roots, who knew? 😄

[spring bough]

i feel like this is going to turn into an all day maintenance.... just went to 9am PST now lol

[waxen meteor]

isn't it always like that lol

[lucid citrus]

whats this maintenance for?

[surreal barn]

Our neutering

The procedure is almost complete sir

[forest root]

Hey guys, new rogue player here. Are we as screwed as the content creators be acting?

I made my rogue yesterday so I could poop on people in open world pvp but I'm a tad worried

[surreal barn]

Nah you’ll be fine.

[forest root]

Is sub the go to?

[waxen meteor]

Hard to say

Sub -> More read and timing, burst in need, average constant dmg even with rupture build
Sin -> More constant dmg, low burst, you can zug zug in a way (since you say you are new)

but overall, tbh the nerf is real

you can feel it

[forest root]

Wondering if rogue will still be the 1v1 king pretty much (that is open world/bgs)

I'm like super new to rogue and fairly new to the game. I've been playing about a month

But I enjoy open world 1v1s and ganking the most. Wondering if feral might be better for me if rogue got hit that hard

[waxen meteor]

I don't think rogue is 1v1 king anyway these days

but i don't do world pvp that often like decades ago

the gear also makes it worse, ultimate pvp gear isn't that good in pvp at open world

it's just 408 ilevel

[forest root]

It should be good, it scales to 424 once you enter combat

Conquest does at least

[waxen meteor]

yeah it fails occasionally

maybe it's all fixed now

[forest root]

What would you say is 1v1 big dick then

[tribal badger]

shadow priest r very strong in 1v1s rn

wouldnt ever wanna face one without a pillar

tons of healing and cds to rotate through and gobs of instant damage

same with destro honestly

survivals pretty good in open world but there isnt that many survival players

not sure what else tbh

[forest root]

I tried destro, absolutely hated the lack of mobility

[tribal badger]

sure most of the very strong 1v1 specs right now wont be able to chase you (just survival)

the thing is if u stand and fight they ust win but they cant ever force u to commit

you can always just vanish and leave

[forest root]

Are you talking about rogue

Or s priest

Because I know nothing about s priest

[tribal badger]

the rogue being the one running

the priest and lock being the ones who cant chase

but r quite scary to face in an open field

[forest root]

Gotcha, I don't mind not being able to chase, but I hate being like sat on, makes me panic a bit not gonna lie

[tribal badger]

well they cant kite that well either

[forest root]

I tried sham the past few days but it feels crazy awkward to me

[tribal badger]

they just r super tanky have tons of healing and tons of cc and instant damage

eles also strong but doesnt have the same instant/passive healing of the other two

[forest root]

Maybe ill give spriest a go then

[tribal badger]

much easier to gank ive found

[forest root]

Wonder how hard s priest is. I kinda had a hard time learning sham

[tribal badger]

to be clear king of wpvp is a wishy washy term

things like spriest and destro might be able to 1v1 anyone who stands in their face trying to fight them

but they have no ability to engage or disengage fights

[forest root]

I had an incredibly easy time learning hunter MM and BM and DH but I know those are pegged as easy

[tribal badger]

they are at the mercy of more mobile classes just running away to reset

ferals probably pretty strong in wpvp just dont see many of them also

[forest root]

Good to know, that sounds great but also bad at the same time. Loved my hunter because 9.9/10 times people can't run

But I found that if people simply outlived me, sustaining themselves through my burst I was screwed

Aka sham, s priest, destro

Guess a class cant be the best at everything

"Rolls disc priest"

Lmao

I'm assuming an spriest has some sort of slow

[tribal badger]

not good ones

you have channeled slows and psyfiend

nothing instant

[spring bough]

so tomorrow is the day solo shuffle with minimal to no CC cant wait

[chrome schooner]

what

the cc nerf isn't tomorrow

[spring bough]

isnt all the stuns and everything getting reduced tomorrow?

[chrome schooner]

no

[spring bough]

or is that 10.1

[chrome schooner]

it's 10.1

[spring bough]

so just wild n crazy paladins tomorrow then guess thats not too bad lol

[forest root]

What's a clever spriest name

Quick!

Nevermind, I named her Shadowussy

Like a bussy

[waxen meteor]

lock overall is not fun in world

you can be extremely good

but it's hard to finish a kill due to mobility

it's a passive way to fight

where in arena it's kinda easy

opponent cannot just be gone

[tribal badger]

its sorta like "if u stand here and fight me i win but u can always just leave"

[waxen meteor]

exactly

[tribal badger]

thats spriest also fwiw

[waxen meteor]

you don't feel the 'victory'

[forest root]

I see, who do you think is better 1v1 tho then, like in an arena

Spriest or destro

Let's say nobody runs from you

[waxen meteor]

In Arena you can't just walk away

[tribal badger]

in arena 1v1s? probably spriest, more instant damage, doesnt get pillar abused as hard

nobody running? hmm

might be destro

more spell schools more raw damage

[forest root]

I should rephrase that

[waxen meteor]

I remember the days sitting outside of Ogrm like 8 hours a day

[forest root]

Open world but the enemy doesn't skidaddle out

[tribal badger]

also self cast heals for out of combat healing when they reset

[waxen meteor]

just doing 1on1 duels whole day

[tribal badger]

i think shadow just because in long drawn out fights lock will run out of healing but spriest doesnt

[forest root]

Ya thats what I'm thinking

[waxen meteor]

then lock is already good, why need a new character

[forest root]

Idk why but lock just turns me off completely. I tried playing it and got it to 70, full honor gear and it just didn't tickle me

[tribal badger]

both are good in that situation tho

[waxen meteor]

lock is overall not a 'fun' class

even when it's extremely good

similar as shammy

[forest root]

Ya it simply wasn't fun for me

Had nothing to do with pvp issues

Spriest fun!?

[waxen meteor]

Tbh i think rogue is most fun class, but probably that's also why we are here lol

it could be a whole bias situation

[forest root]

Shammy felt so fuggin clunky for me. I regret leveling it to 70

[tribal badger]

honestly survival has always been my favorite wpvp class

[waxen meteor]

when you talk with rogue main players, which class is fun, result is clear

[tribal badger]

mixture of stealth, range, mobility, cc and damage

like it got a part of everyones toolkit

decent vs melee and casters

[forest root]

You guys just seem to have a cool discord, I enjoy it here

[waxen meteor]

Hunter is just a bit too much different in play style, it's fun

[tribal badger]

can kite melee and do damage, can stand in melee and do bigger damage to ranged dps

survivals pretty neat

[forest root]

I just want people to regret ganking me

But I also want to gank lmao gang gang

[waxen meteor]

Then rogue doesn't do it haha, if other run at you first.....

we lose 30% win rate already

i mean you lose the initial stealth opener which is important for rogue

[forest root]

Ya rogues get tossed on my hunter if I attack them first but if they get on me first it's a done deal

[waxen meteor]

I mean your focus is very unique

i think both rogue and hunter can be nice

[forest root]

A got 1 big problem though, I know I lean towards ranged classes. Always have

[waxen meteor]

1on1 performance is not a very steady reference, it comes and goes

each patch may kill you or move you to the top

[forest root]

Definitely

[waxen meteor]

I guess from the discussion, go for rogue/hunter/druid can be nice

Druid is still really good at world

[forest root]

Druid like..balance?

[waxen meteor]

and can run 2000 miles an hour to avoid being killed

[forest root]

Or feral

[waxen meteor]

i think more feral

balance is also good

you run fast

[forest root]

Reeeee feral is so boring to me

[tribal badger]

ferals def very strong

[forest root]

It just dont feel impactful watching a cat bite people

[tribal badger]

bleeds prevent running

hyper mobile

lots of healing

[waxen meteor]

it's less fun, but it's annoying when you try to kill a druid in world

[tribal badger]

boomkin suffers from being a caster

[waxen meteor]

sometimes they just freaking out runs you in speed

[tribal badger]

most casters that arent omega tanky and heal heavy suffer in wpvp

its hard to kill a chicken but they wont really threaten u while they tank u

[waxen meteor]

imagine in the world map you can just become bird

pfff

[forest root]

I think I may go spriest?

[waxen meteor]

SP doesn't vary too much from Lock i feel

[forest root]

I shit on boomys as my hunter

[waxen meteor]

in term of game play feeling or fun level

[forest root]

Realllllly

[waxen meteor]

i think rogue & hunter probably fits you more

[forest root]

Thats sadge

Hunter is my main lmao but I'm bored of it that's why I'm window shopping

[waxen meteor]

So go rogue

[forest root]

And with the big scary nerf bat that all the streamers are talking about on rogue makes me worried about wasting my time making a rogue

[waxen meteor]

or at least, go melee

that's different

[forest root]

DONT YELL AT ME IM SENSITIVE

[waxen meteor]

don't worry, it worries even some real r1 rogues

[forest root]

When is da patch

[waxen meteor]

no one knows

[forest root]

That might hurt rogue pp

[waxen meteor]

anyway give it a try

lv up and gear up is so easy nowadays

you can easily tell if you like it or not in BG

but playing melee and range can be a lot diff

you were on lock/hunter all range

[forest root]

Ya im a big ranged lover

I have a warrior toooo

But not for me

I think I have a ranged fetidh

Fetish

But what I want isn't in ranged chars that isn't a hunter

[waxen meteor]

I like range in all other games

but i love rogue in wow

and it makes me playing rogue/assassin in other games in the end pff

[tribal badger]

the ranged hunter specs r actually the worse hunter specs for wpvp in my eyes

they lack the tools survival has

[waxen meteor]

like diablo4 is out last week

i checked rogue first

[tribal badger]

they r great noob/pve geared people stompers tho

good for killing someone before they realize they are getting ganked

not great for ganking actual pvpers

[forest root]

So I have a secret, I played for about a week in shadowlands (and I hated it so I quit) but I played rogue for a few days and it felt hard as fuck for me to learn

[waxen meteor]

but even real pvp players can be chilling and relaxing sometimes

[forest root]

And I dont want to go through that again

[waxen meteor]

if you give marksman a free cast opener, you are semi dead

especially they are at a weird place to reach

[cobalt pewter]

This might be obvious to those who engage in pvp and pay attention, but warrior burst is significantly higher than that of a sub rogue (or any rogue spec).

All rogue specs represent the lowest forms of burst damage available besides healers and tanks.

[forest root]

Ya im a MM and I do ignorant damage

Like 130k kill shots

[waxen meteor]

MM normally attacks me from nowhere

it's even hard to find where they actually are pff

[tribal badger]

the problem is when u open on a fully geared tanky caster who isnt afk and after ur opening shot into rapid fire the target is still at 50% hp

pops a dr and starts walking at u

thats when mm feels monkaS

"wait you were supposed to be dead now"

[forest root]

YUP @tribal badger

Thats literally me lmao

[waxen meteor]

what if they sit at top of a rock you cannot reach?

[tribal badger]

then they just walk out of range and wait

[forest root]

Thats hilarious that you said that kir

Because Thats me 10000%

And in tired of that kinda stuff happening

Shams can even do that by the way

[waxen meteor]

MM is still good, but you need to kite well

[forest root]

If they survive opener, sham will shit on an MM

[waxen meteor]

MM is still 5 yards more range than most casters right?

or is it old history

[forest root]

I actually have no clue. I know I can sit outside of range of a warrior

[tribal badger]

yes a bit more

[forest root]

But idk about casters

[tribal badger]

depends on ur mastery

outranges everything except boomkin which has a 46 yard

[forest root]

I think ill try out s priest so I can be a goth mommy and if I regret it after patch and rogue doesn't eat a boot, I'll go rogue

Last time I played rogue (shadowlands) it was too hard for my pumpkin brain

[waxen meteor]

But who can you kill more than lock with sp

Aren’t going to same scenario..

[forest root]

Level 60s lmao JK

I dont do that

[waxen meteor]

Rogue surely has a different learning curve

[forest root]

Uh you have a point though

[waxen meteor]

But it’s really fun

[forest root]

I can 1000% see how it would be fun

I just had a crazy hard time with the curve that I gave up

I just like ranged so much more than melee 😦

Why am I like this

[waxen meteor]

You are not the only one

Lots of people struggle on rogue at first

[forest root]

I wonder how paladin will be on the rework

[waxen meteor]

Ret is sort of only melee that doesn’t have slow

You can pick a slow talent (which is normally not selected in arena build)

[forest root]

Ret is ranged soon from what I heard

[waxen meteor]

But coverage is low

Yeah we will see tmr

[jolly sierra]

hope they doesn't born dead with all the nerfs they received

[forest root]

Ya they keep nerfing the good things they changed

I'm gonna spriest is for now, dont hate me @waxen meteor

But if it ends up being dog shit for me I'm going rogue

[waxen meteor]

No I simply block you

[forest root]

I'll probably know within the next 3 days if I hate it

No don't do it I like you no homo

[waxen meteor]

[forest root]

Is it possible to make groups of 200k hp gold farmers sad with spriest

Because that's one of my fav activities on hunter

[tribal badger]

probably but more work then an mm or rogue probably

spriests burst has a bit more buttons

[forest root]

No shit?

Is rogue not harder than s priest

[tribal badger]

i dont think either is particularly hard, just different

[forest root]

I want to be a God rogue but I think my brain won't allow the playstyle

[spring bough]

the ques for this game play mind games with me. hit my switch swap to work comp for about 30 seconds hit my switch back to my gaming desktop and boom que is gone LOL

[dull bridge]

i had fun going assa with the m+ build, garrote rupture CT is usually enough to kill everyone

[forest root]

good to know

I'll def try it out of spriest isnt for me

I'll know in 2 days im sure

[jolly sierra]

just read 10.0.7 notes

is that great the change to +35% crit damage for pets in bestial wrath?

(reduced by 40%)

also, they just leave earthgrab available for shams

the other one which reduced mov speed was removed

[tribal badger]

the reduced move speed one is baseline now (?) and replaced by earthgrab if u talent into it

[jolly sierra]

lemme check

straight removed, no more info in notes about anything else

ah nvm i read bad

[tribal badger]

earthbind totem is already baseline

[jolly sierra]

but is ok if it replaces it

[tribal badger]

ya

[jolly sierra]

1 less problem

[tribal badger]

now u just dont get to have both if u talent earthgrab

[jolly sierra]

have u seen anything buffed now? dangerously buffed i say

[tribal badger]

resto got gigabuffed but it probably deserved it

pvp wise not rlly

maybe hunters because they are attempting a net neutral pve tuning to replace the pve bis bow but i havent seen if its adjusted for pvp and they tend to overshoot those things anyway

[jolly sierra]

they adjusted stuff for the compensation in pvp

lemme see

that in general

this, w stuff not being affected in pvp

for me the chakram is the worst offender tho

[unborn portal]

[vocal surge]

dang

didnt expect people to be afraid of spriests in 1v1s

as rogues

[jolly sierra]

why should 1v1 be relevant xdd

just go w poison wpvp grenades, a drakebreaker 2set and a lot of healing pots and its done

[vocal surge]

spriests is one of those classes you can fold without using offensive CDs

by standing at the edge of your acrobatic strikes

and baiting their fear

then going all in

[jolly sierra]

and run to los

reset

go

then reset

[vocal surge]

dont really need to break LoS

they just fall over that easy

[jolly sierra]

the problem is when they dot u

but tbh u can just use a healing pot

[forest root]

I never see spriests die easy in 1v1 open world

[jolly sierra]

who tf cares about wpvp rules

[vocal surge]

Yeee

[forest root]

You talking about arena 1v1?

[vocal surge]

at least wpvp 1v1 applies to 1v1s in arenas for spriests

the longer they live, the more dangerous they become

so you just run them over

[forest root]

Rogue runs everyone over I swear

[jolly sierra]

if u are in arena and in the rare case u are facing the priest cuz everyone else is dead

just open in him and run to pillar

then reset

[vocal surge]

yeee

[jolly sierra]

dampening or turning bored do its job

[vocal surge]

I just find spriests really easy to deal with I honestly wouldnt mind giving them a defensive to help cope

[jolly sierra]

in assa are VERY easy

garrote, dots, kidney, run, repeat

[vocal surge]

ye

[jolly sierra]

the hardest for me overall are survs, BM and demo locks

in wpvp maybe a heal or a full geared tank

cuz dampening doesn't exist there

[forest root]

Why demo locks? Because pet sticks to you?

[vocal surge]

Double Axe Toss

[forest root]

Oh ya true

[vocal surge]

is enough for them to ramp hard to 100 to 0 you

[jolly sierra]

double axe toss and exccesive amount of shit in ur screen

[vocal surge]

cant even sap their pet because of that 1 talent that makes the damage they take transfer over to the pet

[forest root]

The reason I ask is because im trying to decide between spriest or lock for bgs and open world fun. I want to be a class that people will regret ganking

[vocal surge]

Warlock

[jolly sierra]

lock

go demo and ppl will wish u death

[forest root]

I want agry whispers in my inbox

Angry*

[jolly sierra]

pandaren assasination rogue then

[forest root]

I'm honestly surprised to hear that you guys shit on spriests

[jolly sierra]

meh

[vocal surge]

you'd be surprise how easy it is to kill spriests

[forest root]

Spriests kinda dogs on people 1v1 usually in my small experience

[vocal surge]

without having to do much but a pve rotation

and some occasional fear baiting and ccs

[jolly sierra]

u just need to wait for dispersion fading and then go full

and they are easy dead

[vocal surge]

just dont let them cast anything on you before they disperse

ie Mind Games

[forest root]

So lock is that much better huh?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[forest root]

Can lock fugg up rogues

I feel like nobody fuggs up rogues who get first hit

[vocal surge]

found it

Warlock talent is called Soul Link

[jolly sierra]

axe toss on stun

[vocal surge]

Axe Toss go brrrr

[forest root]

Can a lock axe toss when they are stunned?

[vocal surge]

yes

[forest root]

Oh sht I didn't know

[vocal surge]

it also ignores Evasion

[forest root]

I have a 70 lock but never took him past honor gear

I'm actually leveling an spriest right now

[vocal surge]

not to mention

Demo Locks have been getting buffed

non stop

[forest root]

True

I wonder how hard demo is to learn

[jolly sierra]

just went 0-6 as monk w a brewmaster

the guy was trolling hard

[waxen meteor]

nothing

[spring bough]

wait 45 min que for a feral druid to get smoked first two rounds and leave lol

[forest root]

I'm having a hard time finding a recently made guide

[vocal surge]

Oof

no rating gained?

[jolly sierra]

i was arguing w a fistweaver which lose almost all matches

the guy whispered me cuz in match i say "go monk he won't run away", he readed me and whispered me after matches

and said "i disagree about ur point, i did almost all ur dmg and more heal than the disc"

then i said "well i don't do too much dmg cuz im cceing, and that matters the most if u are getting cleaved and trying to heal a lot"

"sometimes i almost don't do dmg but the other dps does and kills others cuz im cceing the healer"

abstract

fistweaving in cleave matches is a no-no

bruh i was at 2k and dropped to 1850 cuz a sudden DC

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

i swear, i take back my 2k and i finish till some weeks

[full ferry]

any1 wanna play 2s? im new and i need to learn but i can kinda do good dps

[dusk spindle]

y we dont use haste anymore?

[potent pivot]

we have a lot of energy talents available this expansion

so the tiny energy regen you get from haste kinda has less value now

having some is still good as assa for dot ticks, that's about it

but still isn't stacked because mastery is just better dmg output

[vocal surge]

oof

[plucky sage]

No, sorry, I just made my own :/ the default is decent, idk, what didn't you like about it and what do you want to change? I can maybe help you edit it to float your boat more

[jolly sierra]

1929/2000

fkn cursed luck

[waxen meteor]

You are soloing forever

[jolly sierra]

some void lord wants to me to be stuck forever at 2k

the attempt of gatekeeper for the match was a multiglad gnome warrior

[spring bough]

FYI shadowlands s3/4 elite set won trial of style

Pvp weps with wraithchill if you wanted to know lol

[vocal surge]

lol

btw

the Elite Tabard for this season goes good with the Lifebound Head and Chest

[jolly sierra]

nice gatekeeping, the guy had the glad mount from this season too

tbh i didn't like that tabard

looks like a valdrakken citizen cloth

[vocal surge]

true

same with the cloak

at least its still wellmade

compare to the SL prestigious cloak n tabard

[jolly sierra]

sl gear looked weird af

like something made by picasso

the warr tier from former season looked like minecraft crafted armor

[vocal surge]

lol

[jolly sierra]

1972/2k

should i finish? last match took like 40m to appear

[pale storm]

You got this, ez 4-2 next round

[jolly sierra]

im hungry af

will wait 30m max

else i'll finish

[tribal bay]

lots of CDs

destro is easier

and better

[jolly sierra]

he wanna go outdoor

think is still very simplistic if is just for that

[vocal surge]

should try

[jolly sierra]

just throwing axes, using coil then a fear then spam the shit out

[vocal surge]

once im out of college, gonna grind the last 202 rating before reset

[jolly sierra]

go ahead

im tired af for the 150 dropping

cuz a fkn sudden dc

[tribal bay]

oh right just open world stuff?

heaps good for that

[jolly sierra]

yeah

was asking for pvp stuff at 1v1 and outdoor

[jolly sierra]

2016 cr

well guys

im parking this panda here for a couple of weeks

[pale storm]

Hell yeah! What was your last lobby?

[jolly sierra]

boomy/feral/warrior

at 2k2 mmr

ended 3-3, like in latest match

so my cr is balanced now

[jolly sierra]

tell holinka to go to hell for me

[jolly sierra]

they just buffed ret

blade of justice now increases dmg w mastery, crusader strike and judgment has increased dmg too and final reckoning now is long till 12s instead 10

[spring bough]

I’m 4 ques off elite again but at this rate that’s gonna be like 2 hours of queuing lol

[jolly sierra]

keep going

u have a good computer setup i think

[wicked tide]

anyone know when the sub rogue damage nerfs go live? I dont see them on the patch notes for tommorow

[jolly sierra]

im poor so i don't trust my stuff

[dull bridge]

i think tomorrow, they appeared on a separate post that also buffs hpriest

[wise breach]

Man, demo locks make me want to punch my monitor

There is no spec more tilting than that

[jolly sierra]

feel my suffering

i got like 3 in a row pre nerf when i was climbing

[waxen meteor]

I should have played more prenerf 😦

still not 2400 yet

but i have been really playing few games these weeks

been out in different meetings

[jolly sierra]

i wanna reach duelist

but im tired of this shit of constant dcs or some bad luck streak

so im going safer by dropping now at 2k and waiting till end season announcement

[worthy crag]

have you tried taking a deep breath between each round

[jolly sierra]

yeah

fuck it

in the 2k match i was playing before losing 150 cr i was in fight doing my shit against a dk and a warrior

then in a moment the screen got framed and 30 sec later dced

tried to log back, BOOM ported back with a 15m deserter and a cr lose

[worthy crag]

rip

[jolly sierra]

now i retook the 2k

but rather prefer to wait, to be fresh and with inflated mmr

im going ret for now, will be temporal i promise

oh look

free tier piece by getting 1k8 at 10.1

[wise breach]

It's a PvE version

Heroic ilvl, but that's awful for PvP

Not sure why they keep insisting on all these other methods instead of just opening the catalyst early

[forest root]

ya I like bgs and open world stuff the most

but id gear a little bit in arenas for conq

[waxen meteor]

it looks like the last fix killed new ret

[jolly sierra]

can be a good filler for week 1-2

but yeah, why HC at pvp?

[jolly sierra]

they buffed it a little

but anyways, u US players will tell us how is everything

as always for tomorrow XD

[plucky sage]

Doesn't Chile count as US region? Or are you playing EU from Chile? So 200 ping AND crappy hardware?

[potent pivot]

its really not that bad actually

[plucky sage]

Yea was about to say

[potent pivot]

much better than getting 0 tier for however many weeks

[plucky sage]

They're upgradeable

[potent pivot]

ye you can turn PvE items into PvP scaling items etc afaik

[plucky sage]

That last one

Sounds like it'll be like m+ gear that you can upgrade with Valor

[potent pivot]

next season is looking promising gear acquisition-wise

[plucky sage]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

i'm gonna give the season a shot, but i can actually see myself rerolling for the first time ever

[plucky sage]

I've been pugging the heroic raid, but not really doing any m+, so I'm hardstuck at 400ilvl in PvE and wouldn't have any way of upgrading that unless I spammed m+

[potent pivot]

i've done like 0 pve this season

[plucky sage]

(unlucky with some drops, I'm still using 389 cobalt assembly ring lol)

[potent pivot]

think i still have that in my bags tbh

[plucky sage]

I normally don't but wanted to try for once, see if I could get AotC by myself

No guild, pug only

I'm still only 7/8 tho :/

[plucky sage]

I mean, legit outsims 400 ilvl rings that's why I'm still wearing it

It's strong

[potent pivot]

yeh pugging can be a pain

why not just join an aotc guild

[plucky sage]

Oh yeah, has been.

[potent pivot]

or even a mythic guild that allows casual raiders to come to heroic

[plucky sage]

I can but the issue was mostly that I can't fit in regular schedules

Easier for me to play when I have time, and often that changes week to week

[potent pivot]

ah

[plucky sage]

This might be better tbh

Then I can join their "casual raid"

Slower progress but less strict with attendance

[potent pivot]

yeah i was mythic raiding in SL and the amount of time it takes up+all the extra time you have to spend grinding stuff

just wasn't it for me anymore

[plucky sage]

Yeah I feel you. I do prefer PvP, always have

Just felt like I needed to give it a go for once

[potent pivot]

well a lot of mythic guilds 1 shot every heroic boss

and clear the entire raid in like 2 hours max

as long as they're not selling their carry slots there's a bunch that'll bring along whoever in the guild

[plucky sage]

I used to half ass normal raids with shitty guilds for a few weeks and just be a pleb with shit gear every xpac and then leave the game

Dragonflight keeping me interested though so that's nice

[plucky sage]

Yeah fair enough, but I'm not on a big server

Our top guild is 4/8 mythic I believe

[minor cape]

i tried to do pve, it was the worst possible experience ever. Like 15 minutes of lfg to enter and see the tank dude die on first boss and everyone leave

[potent pivot]

also some mythic guilds need people to come along and funnel their raiders the drops

[minor cape]

0/10 not doing pve ever again

[potent pivot]

gotta have a little more determination than that lol

[plucky sage]

The joy of being on a server like Tarren Mill I imagine xd

Hahaha no kidding one attempt at a pug 🤣

That's weaksauce

[potent pivot]

when i first came back to the game in SL it took me like 2 months+ to get into a good guild and get CE

[plucky sage]

I remember getting my normal raz kill at 2:55 am just before reset

[minor cape]

it had 2 more similar attempts

[plucky sage]

After 3 hours of reforming a pug because people kept leaving

[minor cape]

well yeah pugs suck ofc

[potent pivot]

had to pug heroic, find a heroic guild, get good logs, find a mid-tier mythic guild, then the final jump to a good guild

i server xferred like 3x

[plucky sage]

Damn

[potent pivot]

was determined to get CE

[minor cape]

pve is so gatekept dude

[plucky sage]

Yeah I want to get into a "good" guild but my logs are a bit shit. Partly because this is my first xpac playing rogue, and partly because on my laptop I play with 6fps on fights like Primal Council so it's really hard to get a good parse when your pc is just adding 200% difficulty

[potent pivot]

[plucky sage]

I would love to get it just once tbh. When I get my real PC back it might be worth doing what you did

[sonic siren]

oh noooo

[potent pivot]

yeah you really need a decent performing machine ngl

[plucky sage]

On the new raid tier

Oh for sure, I have no illusions about that. I got some purple parses in heroic even with this shit laptop so I know mechanically I'm fine on outlaw now, just need smooth FPS to get that consistency

[potent pivot]

i mean, i can see where you're coming from. but if you led a mythic guild would you recruit someone that didn't look like a good pick?

it can be a huge waste of everyone's time if you recruit someone who isn't experienced

[minor cape]

my man is having that mythic++ experience

[minor cape]

it's not like if you have some okay gear you need any experience at all for a low level key

[potent pivot]

purple parses and aotc is basically all you need to find your way into a mid-tier mythic guild (one that clears like half the raid on mythic usually), then you just work your way up from there

[minor cape]

dudes would literally check you through a plugin for mythic 2

[potent pivot]

i'm talking about raiding

[minor cape]

oooh oke

[plucky sage]

True, on lower skilled guilds there can be like 20% of raiders consistently getting grey parses on normal and never improving.. it's super discouraging and just slows progress down to a near halt lol

[potent pivot]

i don't really think m+ is gatekept at all

[minor cape]

for raiding ofc

[potent pivot]

m+ is very simple. run your own key and build the group yourself

that 1 thing does wonders

can easily go from m0 gear to doing +15s in a couple weeks

[plucky sage]

That's reassuring, I think 10.1 might be a good patch for me to do that then! Getting my PC to Europe in a few weeks

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm ngl i would try to skip Normal raiding guilds altogether if your goals are to get into mythic

[plucky sage]

Of course

[potent pivot]

they can be fun environments with great people

it just isn't a competitive environment

[plucky sage]

I have some on my server who I know will take me, just need to show better parses than current

Hard to get good parses with the laptop AND pugging. But if I join fresh for the new tier, better PC, I can pull it off. Also I lost my job so raid schedule is no longer an issue either 😅

(I can get unemployment benefits so I'm not stressed)

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/traitor-gif-21942304

[harsh steppe]

ty i appreciate it! so all i'm wanting is for the target marker (the square, skull, moon, etc.) for my party members on the party frames as well. the reason i want this is because in the heat of the match when i see someone needs help or i need help & need to shadowstep to a party member, the target markers on the nameplates are small and i also am not sure which icon is who, having the icons on the party frames as well would make it so i can instantly tell who is who

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-pvp-optional-reagent-slot-for-crafted-gear-in-patch-10-1-ptr-331947?webhook
uh does this mean that my grind for the primal conc has been worthless...?

[wintry dew]

What do you mean worthless?

That's 10.1, so anything we do now will be worthless by then xD

[harsh steppe]

ohhh woops i misread thought it was 10.7, mb
i meant like would i replace the titanic ring / lariat with the gear i'd be using this new reagent for but since it's 10.1 i'm assuming yes aha

[wintry dew]

I still have to read the post again just to be sure if I understood it correctly.

Also, why you farming primal conc?

[harsh steppe]

it's bis

[wintry dew]

Oh ok I see, using the ring 418 vers mast is better than both 424 pvp

Since you can only have 1 mastery ring

[minor cape]

so anyways dudes

will we all be using new ring tommorow or is the versatility loss too much

[wintry dew]

I believe we'll have to test it first

[subtle karma]

any recomendations on how to counter bears 1v1?

assassination rogue for the record

[wintry dew]

I don't believe we are supposed to counter them

[subtle karma]

bears are like the only thing I cant kill :/

[wintry dew]

And most likely they kill you

[subtle karma]

yup. just swipe/thrash/moonfire me to death lol

[wintry dew]

Well that damn CD, i can't remember the name

Where you hit them but you're the one dying

[subtle karma]

sounds like it might be a thorns effect on incarn?

or barkskin, one of the 2

[minor cape]

dude thats like the class im having the most problems with

too

for some reason

like cant disarm him cant kill him

cant really slow as far as i know

once you are out of shadowsteps dude just bites me forever and dots me to death

[subtle karma]

I don't have to much troubles slowing them when they are the fc cause they don't wanna shift out of bear and die, but I just cant kill them :/

[minor cape]

i dont mind not killing a feral as long as he doesn't just eat me to death

🥹

[subtle karma]

I can gear ferals. they arent the issue.... its guardians I cant deal with :/

[minor cape]

oh i thought you were talking about ferals

isnt feral a bear too or what is he xd

[subtle karma]

nope. bears.... I need 2+ people with me to get em when they are running a flag or 1+ people with me to cap a base

feral is kitties

[harsh steppe]

at what rating should i get the lariat/titanic ring? this mythic+ grind is insane, gonna take me even way longer than i thought to get to m+16, & i see some high rated players without them
i do think the better stats the better one can do in pvp tho so i do want them eventually, but what cr should i get before i worry about them? 2500, 3k, etc?

[inner glen]

Guys is the new onyx amulet good for PvP worth getting ? For rogues

[surreal barn]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-pvp-optional-reagent-slot-for-crafted-gear-in-patch-10-1-ptr-331947

Woah

[copper maple]

Can't wait for some broken pve trinket to slide into pvp meta with that 😄

Nvm

I thought it's for all gear, but it's for crafted

[bold bison]

that's actually nice

[surreal barn]

Some current crafts would be crazy good at that ilvl

[bold bison]

double mastery ring, lariat etc

[surreal barn]

Someone is going to do it with the decayed patterns and it is going to smack so hard.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=193460/venom-steeped-stompers

[bold bison]

do secondarys still DR above a certain rating like in Shadowlands?

[surreal barn]

No clue I honestly haven’t done much theorycrafting outside of talents this xpac.

[bold bison]

just wondering how Sub Mastery scales. In Shadowlands PvE Sub always banged at the start of the patch with new weapons, but fell off once stats inflated. If there's secondary DRing and poor stat scaling as well as the burst nerfs and crit dmg reduction in 10.1, I worry about Sub

[copper maple]

If season 2 pvp ilvls will be 437 and 450, should we save up honour for next patch? Feels weird replacing s1 epics with s2 blues though.

[fierce laurel]

Sub was terrible in raid. What do you mean.

Like maybe Kael shields with MA and phase 3 of the council fight- but everywhere else it didn’t keep up to the light cleave or single target.

[potent pivot]

It was still seen as the best rogue spec very early in the first season iirc

[minor cape]

right now it scales really good

no?

does it even have dr

[bold bison]

I mean post-Nathria, all 3 specs sucked then. Flag Sub was really juicy in Sanctum and Kyrian Sub started insane in Sepulcher before falling off hard

might just have been lacklustre legendaries and tier bonus that did it in Sepulcher tho

[forest root]

are all the changes for rogue coming today?

[unborn portal]

10.0.7 is today yes

[spring bough]

Outlaw time to shine today somehow someway 😂

[unborn portal]

[spring bough]

Anyone have a good WA or addon that tracks Druid HOTs? I got chewed out about not watching those last night lmao

[unborn portal]

on your target or

just under the player frame

[harsh steppe]

when are they gonna fix this shit

[pale storm]

I believe there is a script you can run to stop showing Lua errors

[harsh steppe]

oh really? does anyone know it perhaps

[waxen meteor]

isn't 10.0.7 today?

[harsh steppe]

ye

[pale storm]

Type /console scriptErrors 0 in chat and press “Enter” to turn off all Lua Error messages, I’ll recommend that you also do a /reload after using the first command.

[harsh steppe]

oh thank the gods, tyty i'll do that asap ❤️

man maint is a long one today ugh

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

[potent pivot]

Post Nathria-meaning Sanctum? All 3 rogue specs were insanely good in Sanctum

Maybe not for like week 1-2 progress without any Dom shards, but ye

[jolly sierra]

eu from

[harsh steppe]

so what is everything we need to do after patch today

[jolly sierra]

keep pushing

[spring bough]

It’s makes me feel good when I watch a Pshero outlaw solo shuffle and he gets deleted the first two rounds. Looks just like some of my games 😂

I don’t understand how he rocks cheat death and presses feint 0 times lol

[jolly sierra]

the same reason he played sub necro in s1

cuz he wanted to lol

[forest root]

so what rogue is looking like BIS for 10.7

and is it easy enough for an idiot to play

[unborn portal]

assa easy rotation

[forest root]

is it actually or is that a troll

because im legit brain dead

[unborn portal]

its the easiest rogue spec

[jolly sierra]

assa but u need to endure for a couple of weeks demo locks and hunters

[unborn portal]

but you are squishier

[jolly sierra]

cuz the dumbasses in PvP HQ forgot to nerf them

#fireholinka

[spring bough]

Them locks are crazy right now. Some disc priest was idk 80% yesterday and I see the lock on my team turn cast 3 chaos bolts and healer was dead

[jolly sierra]

yeah that happens when u let the lock cast

also their dmg w bolt is delayed

so u need to do something seconds before or u are long dead w those 3 CB

[waxen meteor]

3 shit bolt is good

[plucky sage]

Ouch, I know your pain. South Africa into EU was hard. Respect for being so high on Rogue in that situation. If you were in Sweden with a proper rig you'd probably hit 2400 in a few hours

[waxen meteor]

I read people are saying that after ret rebuild, it's hpal gets more buff in the end?

ret built
ret nerfed
hpal still buffed

[forest root]

sub better than assa but assa easier ye?

[plucky sage]

Yeah ok, basically you're saying you want vuhdo to be as close to default raid/party frames as possible, just showing marker on unit frame. Makes sense. But you can also just increase size on nameplate and add a class icon indicator too? Idk. Anyway vuhdo can be set up for that easily. Or just import frames from wago.io and try them all. It's easy enough to delete a profile

[surreal barn]

Is ptr still up

[waxen meteor]

don't know is sub better at this version

but anyway sub is normally always better at 1on1

[forest root]

do locks kill rogues or nah

[waxen meteor]

lock can never kill a rogue in open world

if rogue doesn't want to die

[forest root]

but like, can rogue still kill

just fine

[minor cape]

from my experience locks kill anyone if left to freecast

lock is not as easy of a target as ele shaman

still can burst him

so its not a hardcounter

i think

in no way

[forest root]

im mainly talking about 1v1s (I know 1v1s is taboo) but its the pvp I like the most

[minor cape]

you can destroy a lock i think

especially non demo

[jolly sierra]

im handicapping myself tho, but at least is possible to climb, but w twice the effort, big respects for u too for being ranking in pvp in that context

[minor cape]

the damage class that can actually 1v1 a rogue is mage

but im too low skill to know for sure

[plucky sage]

Brother I moved to EU now :) so I'm just enjoying the ping despite super low FPS

[jolly sierra]

gratz for that, maybe for me meanwhile with a proper setup should be plenty

i have a guy helping me here with prices, so, maybe will be soon

[plucky sage]

How long are you still gonna be there for? Is it an indefinite contract?

[harsh steppe]

ah ok ty i'll try to give vuhdo another chance then

[jolly sierra]

yeah

maybe must stay here till i get enough cash to move away

[plucky sage]

I'd just level a US rogue, it's not that bad. Just "pause" your progress in EU.

[forest root]

the new gear comes after patch right?

the higher ilevel stuff

[jolly sierra]

meh, was once in US

was an awful experience to play xd

[waxen meteor]

[jolly sierra]

the main problem in US are ppl from different countrys straight rejecting to play w other ones

or is for historic conflict reasons or for extremely bad reputation like w ragnaros

[forest root]

coming from an american that plays on EU servers I can tell you why but itll hurt feelings

[jolly sierra]

do it, u are in safe floor

[forest root]

I personally dont mind playing with eu obviously

but theres a lot of russians

and russians/french people have a bad reputation

as very toxic

[jolly sierra]

yeah i know

[forest root]

so ya thats most likely why

in my personal opinion

[waxen meteor]

NA has some very bad reputation servers as well right?

[forest root]

I've personally felt this too

im sure they def do tarny

[waxen meteor]

anyway i do just solo queue

[jolly sierra]

ragnaros and quel'thalas are the most

[waxen meteor]

who cares

[jolly sierra]

the problem compared to eu

[waxen meteor]

you shit talk, next round i go at you

[jolly sierra]

is than they DCs a lot

and refuse to talk in english

[forest root]

yup, this too

[waxen meteor]

it's funny because some healer trash talks more

[jolly sierra]

yeah

[waxen meteor]

which eventually leads to being targeted and die

[jolly sierra]

yesterday for me was funny

cuz the duelist geared boomy was blaming the healer for no healing

and was even funnier

[waxen meteor]

some healers are okay to heal and support and cc, but not good at survival

[jolly sierra]

because didn't noticed i was gouging and kidneyeing him

but sometimes straight blames everybody

also i had a mistweaver and said was a good idea to play against a cleave team fistweaving

cuz he had enough healing to stand everybody

[forest root]

the other day on my hunter I went 5/6 and this war went 1/6. He shit talked me everytime I got into his group

and I was in the 1 that he won lol

[jolly sierra]

XD

just tell him

ME WARRIOR

ME SMASH

[forest root]

calling me dogshit and what not

[waxen meteor]

yeah there are trash talkers that are bad

[forest root]

I told him dude..usually if you go 0-6 - 1/6..you're the problem

[jolly sierra]

in other one i got a surv w legion glad mount which lose almost everything

[waxen meteor]

i don't mind people blaming me when i play bad, or he is simply better

regardless of the tone

[jolly sierra]

was trashtalking me for free and i said

[waxen meteor]

but i don't like people shit talk when he/she is hte problem

[forest root]

ya if I play bad ill straight up say "I screwed that last match up"

but I was SLAYIN

[jolly sierra]

k boosted glad

[jolly sierra]

in that case they are just straight noobs

[waxen meteor]

yeah

[jolly sierra]

period

[waxen meteor]

anyway i don't feel bothered by those people

so many years of playing such games

[forest root]

is the new ilevel gear coming with patch

[waxen meteor]

i am super chill lol

[jolly sierra]

nah

with 10.1

don't buy a lariat

[forest root]

oh dang I better get goin then

wtf is a lariat

[jolly sierra]

elemental lariat, a neck which is good for pvp

but requieres a shit to be optimal

[forest root]

id probably never see it nayway because im bad

also im waiting to see what happens with rogue to play rogue

I just like this discord :d

[plucky sage]

Best discord

[jolly sierra]

everybody love us

[forest root]

this is def my fav class disc and i dont even play rogue

[wintry dew]

Rogue discord best discord

[jolly sierra]

im still curious about ret discord

how rotten is it?

[plucky sage]

Go find out, I've never been personally but if you go in knowing its reputation it could be funny to witness

[jolly sierra]

need to check, sure

but after buying bread

brb

[waxen meteor]

Rogue discord best discord

[unborn portal]

[forest root]

im only playing demo lock right now because you guys said its a pretty decent against rogues lmao

[plucky sage]

know thine enemy

[vocal surge]

Lariat's pretty nerfed in pvp

[waxen meteor]

good against rogue doesn't mean good against all

[forest root]

heehaw

it is what it is brother

I just want to be a mini boss

[jolly sierra]

[fading blade]

Is this ring disabled in Pvp?

[harsh steppe]

is wow back up yet i am running errands and can’t check

[fading blade]

I sure hope so

[tame wadi]

Hi, new to PvP. Was wondering if theres a special way to Sim your gear for pvp?

Want to look at what gear of mine to upgrade

[fading blade]

Vers mastery gear

[forest root]

what about demo

[tame nexus]

You wouldn’t need sims tbf, read the #pvp-faq throughly

[fading blade]

Think you close your eyes and slam spells

[forest root]

😦

[tame wadi]

Mostly looking for suggestions for what gear should be a priority to get first

[copper maple]

Usually weapons

Then armour that gives the most stats like head/chest/legs.

[tame nexus]

MH weapon 1st, second if you have a considerably low ilvl OH, pvp freedom trink, then go for highest Vers+NeededSeconadry per spec. In #pvp-faq you can find gear lists

[tame wadi]

Thanks everyone! Will go and buy the stuff tomorrow incase my vault drops pieces like the weapons

[tame nexus]

Ah yea, also if you got 418 crafted daggers, then start with other pieces

[tame wadi]

Ah great for me then

[tame nexus]

Lariat got nerfed for pvp due to gem count requirements; so go for conquest necklace also

[surreal barn]

We still down?

[dull bridge]

you should upgrade the the emblem trinket last

go main hand with conquest while getting your tier sets up with trophies of strife

[copper maple]

I've played a solo shuffle on a fresh char. Got a lobby with two proto pals, so no healers xD

[jolly sierra]

what a fucking awful intro to shuffle

lol

[copper maple]

Chances are this was someone's first ever shuffle

The lock wasn't having fun being tunneled and not getting help of a healer for sure

Btw, does anyone know if you can farm old raids while in the queue, or will it be paused?

[jolly sierra]

u can

but if u are in start and don't kill any boss u have to do it again

[tame wadi]

Gotta say, really surprised on how much I'm liking pvp as a new person to it

only downside is the bloody wait times for solo

[copper maple]

If i kill the boss i keep the progress, but have to run from the entrance i guess?

[jolly sierra]

if u kill the boss then the trash before it wipes out\

if u got teleported

[graceful ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhRZDLQV1LY&ab_channel=Echo

oh damn

[sharp sierra]

lol watching whaaz play sub

its so garbage in pvp now

damage is terribad

[bold bison]

EU is still pre-nerf

our patch isn't until tomorrow

[jolly sierra]

yeah, i can still playing

[sharp sierra]

its horrible lol

he does like no damage in a kidney

health bar barely moves lmao

[jolly sierra]

but bullshit, i wanna rest from rog for now

[bold bison]

tbf if you play Sub like you're an Assa Rogue the scoreboard damage isn't always bad

[sharp sierra]

if whaaz is saying its shit

[bold bison]

he's playing really heavy setup gameplay, but Lock/Spriest/Warrior is not a good sample of how much burst Rogue does because they all have a lot to mitigate it

[sharp sierra]

you know its dead

[tawny kestrel]

whaazz hasnt said its shit tho xd

[bold bison]

he's not saying that though

[sharp sierra]

he didn't have to. his tickles were enough

[bold bison]

I mean he's still on 10.0.5, there is no nerf on EU yet, that's the same damage that Sub has been doing to dominate the top of Solo Shuffle for months now

and he went 4-2 at 3400 into 3 hard classes

the lesson here is that you can outplay damage nerfs

[jolly sierra]

u still owes us an apologize pichu

rog didn't fkn died in assa after nerfs

[graceful ravine]

come play rogue on d4 instead

[wicked tide]

NA just went live and its showing reduced damage on macabre stacks but no on dark shadow

[jolly sierra]

how are rets there?

[wicked tide]

stealth buff? can't see why one buff would display correctly and the other wouldn't

not sure yet just went up

[dusk spindle]

i just see like 20 rets inside valdraken hitting target dummys lmao

[plucky sage]

Always great to let vault come first, I like your prudence

[jolly sierra]

yeah they wanna hone shit before thrashing ppl tho

im watching vanguards

he is setting talents

just in time XD

[dusk spindle]

lol, i wanna que for SS but im scared of fighting 3 rets

[jolly sierra]

u will face 1 (or 2 max if u are unlucky)

he has this

[dusk spindle]

true, but still scared of my team getting 1 shotted by a ret pressing bubbles and their damage in the first 20 seconds of the match

back to SL season 2

[bold bison]

powerlevelling my ret now in case it's OP

got 14k conquest to spend on boxes

[wicked tide]

yeah its broken

[tawny kestrel]

https://twitter.com/leekatv/status/1638262599065415685?s=20

Chris (@leekatv)

End of Season PvP rewards will have the rank cutoff extended by duplicate/alt characters by the same player https://t.co/QFydbaIJfK account for rated arenas, rated battlegrounds, and rated solo shuffle.

https://t.co/3a1QuVzupP

Twitter · Mar 21, 2023, 7:33 PM

[jolly sierra]

GOD

THEY PUT SPELLWARDING FOR RET

OH SHIT

[wicked rampart]

That's actually huge wtf

[dusk spindle]

nah just need a total of 150 games played and ending at .1% of the season, so u cant just get glad at the start of the season (i assume)

oh wait nvm i read that very wrong

[jolly sierra]

ret has an absurd amount of self healing now

[bold bison]

hybrids with infinite heals are so toxic

good CDs are fine, but Ret, Feral and Enhance border on broken when their heals are overtuned

[jolly sierra]

his heals are almost equal to his dmg

is absurd

i wanna see the SS

got the shuffle

got trolled by the 5/6

damage is pretty absurd, topped a match in 2s

[bold bison]

stones nerfed by 75% in PvP

ring is dead

[bold bison]

lmao just saw Vanguards win this 2v2 game

[jolly sierra]

yeah dude is fkn crazy

def will play my ret tomorrow

already got his build

this but w crusading strikes

HOLY SHIT

[bold bison]

https://clips.twitch.tv/TemperedSingleTardigradeSoonerLater-nNgyLHJM639yAHZD

it's happening again

[jolly sierra]

yeah

my dad come to the room asking why im laughing so hard

dude just look

is absurd

[gleaming pawn]

hopefully they wont wait for next season before they nerf their healing in pvp, otherwise we're in for Ret SL healing all over again

[jolly sierra]

100% sure will be nerfed

but in 2 more weeks max

[jolly sierra]

vanguard called S tier

for ret

[jolly sierra]

no borrowed power shit here ty

[vocal surge]

rip potential for Primordial Stones

[jolly sierra]

killed at day 1

nice

[vocal surge]

useless ring

[jolly sierra]

i've seen no rogues in his matches

just warrs, locks and hunts

[copper maple]

Was playing on my fresh blue geared warrior in some yolo zug zug cleave lobby. I die after a while using all my defensives and my healer says "you really gonna die like that (as in so easily)?". Guy was sitting with his dome off cd 😄

I'd use it instantly in a game when everyone just stacks and cleaves each other.

[plucky sage]

That is so fucking OP

[jolly sierra]

yeah, i watched it in live

he literal 1 shotted that dude, but was the 1st one like that in the streaming tho

[waxen moon]

GG sub rogue, again

are we going to assa now

[wise breach]

I'm leveling my ret

[jolly sierra]

do it

i parked it at 1k8 some weeks ago