But either way, I don't see a reason why my mmr should change way more than my rating. It's not like I'm going 6-0 or 0-6 game after game.
#pvp
copper maple
potent pivot
Your mmr is what tries to push you towards the proper CR for your skill level based on wins/losses etc
copper maple
So if I lose hard a couple times my mmr is like "Nah mate, you're to bad for 1500 cr, better not gain any rating this game xD"
sharp pumice
mmr is heavily influenced by streaks
positive or negative ones
if you win 20 games in a row your MMR will explode while your CR will climb normally
losing 20 in a row does it as well
not sure if it's round-sorted or lobby-sorted as far as MMR for solo shuffle lobbies
languid ravine
I had a Disconnect from Arena 16 hours ago, blizz can I not have deserter for 16 hours please jesus fuck
modern rose
But either way, I don't see a reason why my mmr should change way more than my r...
you gain an avg of 50 mmr a win and lose 50 a loss
copper maple
why the hell conquest items become unrefundable instantly after equiping?
I've bought a neck instead of ring (they honestly look the same)
jolly sierra
N O R E F U N D S
languid ravine
literally the game warns you loudly about this when you try to equip a new conquest item
sharp sierra
I've bought a neck instead of ring (they honestly look the same)
I did this same thing on my lock when it was the last piece i needed to start arena. I was so pissed because afterwards horde lost the next 4 BG’s
copper maple
it'd make sense to disallow refunds after enchanting and stuff
why equiping
good thing I haven't done that when conquest was capped, I'd be mad
copper maple
sure, but I find it unnecessary
I don't see a scenario where refunding equipped pvp items could be abused hard
languid ravine
yeah, all the survival chads are here in the rogue discord
playing Path of Exile probably
jolly sierra
get out from my shuffle matches surv mains REEEEEEEEEE
languid ravine
oh god I just found out after 300 dragon riding quests; you can cheat skip the final ring (start/end) by using the clock quest item
harsh steppe
Because hunter discord PvP channel is just BM enjoyers
can confirm lol
fierce laurel
oh god I just found out after 300 dragon riding quests; you can cheat skip the f...
You mean restart?
nova viper
its good? I dont know how assa work 
sharp sierra
How you get the CD numbers on the debuffs you put on them? Above the dummy’s health bar
limpid ledge
What poisons do I use as an Ass Rogue in PVP? I have b een told many different things thus far.. just thought id ask here.
potent pivot
What poisons do I use as an Ass Rogue in PVP? I have b een told many different t...
Deadly/Wound and Numbing/Crippling
Atrophic isn’t a terrible choice in place of numbing but it’s kinda w/e
potent pivot
How you get the CD numbers on the debuffs you put on them? Above the dummy’s hea...
Usually an add on like Plater or KUI nameplates
nova viper
Yea i use BigDebuffs
torpid swan
question about sin opener: is it ok to cs-garrote melee offtarget before jumping on main target? or does that give too much time for the other team to respond?
prolly better to just cs and jump to the next target for a cleaner opener right?
jolly sierra
got another surv
but this one didn't used mending
won 4-2
kek
i'll continue tomorrow, i slept 2 hours yesterday and 5 in last night
fkn summer
sharp sierra
Usually an add on like Plater or KUI nameplates
Thanks
sharp sierra
BigDebuffs
Thanks
dull bridge
rolled a prevoker just to try out healing
healing shuffle at the trench ratings might be the worst thing I've done in this game
i have triple the respect for shuffle healers now
waxen meteor
haven't checked chat weekend, do we have more nerf this tuesday?
jolly sierra
nah
lime venture
So what have we decided to reroll to???
odd helm
was gonna come back to wow after a few months off and i see they've been smoking meth
plucky sage
So what have we decided to reroll to???
Rogue obviously
harsh steppe
#rogue4lyfe
wintry dew
People do love leveling alts to reroll to xD
sharp sierra
Yeah i always have atleast 1 alt for days i just don’t feel like sweating in arena but want to play and i’m not a big pve fan so that’s out of the question.
burnt kraken
Yeah the effort between winning as sub rogue and lock in shuffle is huge haha
sharp sierra
😂💀
When you only been back almost 2 months after 15 years away from pc gaming it’s still tough 😅
Funny too because they are 2 of my main classes, followed by war and priest
faint valve
its good? I dont know how assa work <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
What do you mean by "it's good"? 😛
sharp sierra
What do you mean by "it's good"? 😛
Probably his combat log to see if damage numbers are in right order
nova viper
What do you mean by "it's good"? 😛
I mean good dmg by spells in pvp rotation. Sorry english is not my first language
faint valve
I mean good dmg by spells in pvp rotation. Sorry english is not my first languag...
it's really hard to say, PvP is something different than PvE, there's no "PvP rotation" and the dmg is mostly based on your gear and your opponents, but it doesn't matter that much because most of the people are fully PvP geared so we can say that it's kinda constant on some level
faint valve
I think I should've been playing PvP only on the weekends. The ~30-40 min queue times are crazy.
dire sonnet
Is outlaw competitive with sub? or is sub just better? I know assa is the best right now but I don't like playing it that much
unborn portal
I would say sub is better than outlaw atm yes
bold bison
sub is one of the best specs in the game, outlaw almost certainly one of the worst, if not theworst
tribal badger
dont think its quite the worst but it might be the worst rogue spec yea
unborn portal
I actually don’t know what the worst spec is atm
dire sonnet
I thought all three rogue specs were split between top tiers on most lists
dire sonnet
Yeah but assa is ahead of most specs by a lot no?
unborn portal
2-3 tiers higher depending who you ask
Mmmm it dropped down a little and will drop more
bold bison
well OL is the least played spec at every rating bracket, it's for sure in the dumpster tiers with Fury, Enhance, Frost DK
bold bison
can't think what's worse then
I don't think there are any specs that are unplayable don't get me wrong, but OL gotta be in the competition for worst spec
dire sonnet
Also, what sort of damage should my sustain be sitting at outside of the burst? Cause I'm pretty sure I'm doing gutter tier damage on sub but I have no idea why
unborn portal
if im not mistaken; sub is actually more prevalent at higher ss rankings then assa
bold bison
Yeah but assa is ahead of most specs by a lot no?
I think they gently nerfed Assa into A tier now, it's not nearly as dominant as it was. still has a massive place in the meta ofc
unborn portal
Also, what sort of damage should my sustain be sitting at outside of the burst? ...
you will not top meters as sub
dire sonnet
In most games I'm sitting like 4th though
bold bison
unless you win in opener you will be last on dmg
dire sonnet
I mean in the solo shuffle I just did I was like 1mil damage behind all the other dps
bold bison
before the nerfs a disc priest would beat you sometimes
unborn portal
sub allows you to get really gimmicky kills, you have bomb / duel, a lot of cc, secret technique pumps
dire sonnet
So I'm actually fine then?
unborn portal
just because you do least damage doesnt mean you cant win
bold bison
So I'm actually fine then?
are you winning games?
dire sonnet
Cause I'm spending more time looking for stuns etc, which works in actual arena but not solo shuffle
in 2s I was on like a 15 win streak but I can barely get a round in solo shuffle
unborn portal
idk what your set ups look like or talents / rotation
bold bison
you need to adjust your playstyle for shuffle, low rated lobbies can be difficult
if you play the Echoing Reprimand/Replicating Shadows build you can do more overall DMG maintaining Ruputre between goes
dire sonnet
I'm using the DM/DB build from the sub faq at the moment
bold bison
tell your DPS to just do damage and use their stuns/disorients on the 2nd DPS, make sure every go you're creating a 3v1
dire sonnet
Is there a build you guys think is better for solo shuffle?
dire sonnet
idk what your set ups look like or talents / rotation
I think I do trip up on the priority outside of the burst, in solo shuffle I keep forgetting slice and dice
My opening on sub is way less clean than assa though I think, but it feels easier on assa to just double garrote kidney or rupture
bold bison
slice is big for your burst go, it means you get extra CP on your shadowstrike because of premed
I would argue Slice uptime is more important than Rupture
dire sonnet
Okay that's something to change then I've been putting rupture on prio
bold bison
you should have time for both tbh
peel between goes, shiv stuff, disarm cooldowns etc.
but there's a load of advanced decision making in Sub in 3v3 (solo or not), you need to be able to adjust to what's happening around you and help your team find the kill
you're the quarterback
dire sonnet
Maybe my opener in general is just really bad on sub also, is there something on here that goes over the opener?
bold bison
kinda hard to call anything an opener because none of sub is scripted - the only 2 things that are scripted really are kidneyshot goes, and cheapshot goes.
in the opener try to get a sap, stun the off-target and kidney-go the kill target
you can then read the game to decide if you need to follow up with a blind
or if the go is over
dire sonnet
in the opener try to get a sap, stun the off-target and kidney-go the kill targe...
I'm definitely messing this up then
sap is so rough in low mmr solo shuffle too though people just wanna go before you even get a chance
bold bison
you can also sap healer, gouge off target, stun kill target depending on your team-mates - if you're playing a Ret for example their HoJ is better on offtarget than your cheap
just communicate with your team mates honestly, I know it can be really rough at low rating to co-ordinate
the good news about low rated games though is that if the team sucks you can really easily bang someone in a duel
dire sonnet
Thanks for all the tips though guys this has been a huge help, I was so unsure if me being 3rd to 4th on DPS was a huge issue or not
bold bison
every time you have kidney/dance ready, create a 3v1 with your available CC. if you do - you will win more games than you lose overall
good luck king
dire sonnet
I played DK before this in a meleecleave so I'm used to the insane burst/sustain they have
In 2s CC for wins was so much easier, think I just need to grind out the mechanics more and see the situations to climb
unborn portal
are you playing secret technique?
sharp sierra
try heaing in ss
13 seconds straight cc
i can see why cc is getting nerfed
and its deserved
dire sonnet
are you playing secret technique?
Yeah I am
chrome schooner
try heaing in ss
This is just a very wrong way of thinking
Yes, when you need to heal and get CC'ed you can't press buttons
But you have to understand that this also applies to the DPS dealing damage to the people you heal
They will ALSO be CC'ed way less
Which means that they will rampage the people you are trying to heal a lot more
You won't get as many safe moments when the guy gets feared or poly'd or whatever and stops having 60k dps for a few seconds
Now people will get to press their spells a bit more
plucky sage
13 seconds straight cc
This should mean the opposite healer is in the same situation
chrome schooner
Only to find out that it's actually impossible to keep outhealing the dmg of 2 dps forever
So now you'll just lose just the same
But through your healing instead of while in cc
Even worse feeling
plucky sage
The supporters of cc changes seem to think their team is the only one dealing with long cc chain. In solo shuffle you literally play with and against everyone, so the reasoning is totally invalid.
plucky sage
If all cc is reduced
That means enemy DPS is gonna be doing more damage, it's gonna be harder to peel warrior DK training a healer
sharp sierra
im sure you feel really good to sap and blind the enemy healer
then put them into a micro cc when they trinket
plucky sage
Without that
What does rogue bring exactly? That a DH or warrior or DK can't do better ?
chrome schooner
The CC change discussion isn't about Rogue
Even in match-ups where there are 0 Rogues
plucky sage
You can't say that, since it's not live
chrome schooner
The CC dealt to enemy DPS and enemy healers will be affected EXACTLY as the CC on YOU as a healer
plucky sage
Unless you've been sweating on the ptr
chrome schooner
They will also have more healing uptime and DPS uptime
It won't make healer life easier
plucky sage
Exactly
sharp sierra
it would atleast remove the fake cast till you die if you're getting trained
or probably remove sap into blind then kidney trap
sharp sierra
interrupts are getting reduced too?
plucky sage
right cope time
People like you seem to think two things:
- only your team is benefiting from the changes
- only your healer is getting chain cc'd thus needing the changes
chrome schooner
yeah ? If you fake it anyway where's the problem ?
chrome schooner
Or you actually WANT the game to be as dumb as
sharp sierra
people dying in global is not fun
chrome schooner
"I cast, I don't try to fake, I get kicked, but it doesn't matter because it's too short to matter me like"
Is that the message here ?
If yes well, that's pretty sad
plucky sage
this is to slow the meta down
How does the meta slow down with less cc?? There will be even larger windows for damage
sharp sierra
XD
plucky sage
The damage is the problem
sharp sierra
circlejerking experience
plucky sage
With smaller cc, then more damage?
plucky sage
What are you talkin about
chrome schooner
Funny
sharp sierra
literal echo chamber
chrome schooner
Lower CC > less people in CC > people having more time to deal damage > faster meta
Show us otherwise
I'm curious to see the arguments
plucky sage
Describe how more uptime slows things down
plucky sage
Are you 12?
sharp sierra
worthless talking to
chrome schooner
Nah but just explain to us then
sharp sierra
apparently thinking positive about something is bad
plucky sage
Do you know the definition of "argument", or for you is the only meaning of argument "people fighting with words"
sharp sierra
just gtfo
plucky sage
apparently thinking positive about something is bad
We just want your reasoning
We gave ours
Less cc, means more time active, means more damage going out and faster game
You say the opposite
We're asking how you come to that conclusion?
plucky sage
just gtfo
You're unable to answer and getting hostile and your only réplique is "hurr Durr circle jerk"
chrome schooner
He dreamed it
unborn portal
I’m not with raven but the cc reduction doesn’t slow the meta down
chrome schooner
That's how
unborn portal
The crit damage nerf does for example
chrome schooner
"BUT GUYS IF I'M NOT BLIND SAPPED THE META IS SLOWER"
plucky sage
I’m not with raven but the cc reduction doesn’t slow the meta down
That's what we're saying.
unborn portal
So idk why he is saying the cc part is
chrome schooner
Which has nothing to do with CC
unborn portal
Yep
plucky sage
The crit damage nerf does for example
Yeah but to me that's a blanket chznge that's gonna need a lot of fine tuning of class stuff
Hopefully they adjust
Because with that outlaw just gets worse than it already is
Since our only "burst" is from BtE if you can even call it that
unborn portal
ya idk he weird
tribal badger
outlaw relies on crit for its sustain damage
is more worrying
it gets hit by the nerf to crit damage cause it crits 60% of its abilities
it doesnt even do burst
ur sustain damage is made off of crits
jolly sierra
tf is happening here
well reading that, ccs wont slow down the meta, but potential and predominant wizard matches will do
checked by myself wizard lobbies and are slow and boring af
just pillar hugging and dampening waiting
tribal badger
i mean thats ur fault for pillar hugging and dampening?
run out and fight those wizards instead
(and die horribly)
candid condor
candid condor
I have been summoned.
wintry dew
It seems like a forbidden word as been written
chrome schooner
The guy wrote something forbidden earlier but it got insta deleted
candid condor
For what its worth, if youre weird enough to get worked up over an argument and hitting filters, getting some fresh air and touching grass is a valid alternative instead of continuing to type.
jolly sierra
O O F
chrome schooner
I thought it was some bot action
jolly sierra
yeah, is automatic
i wrote someting quoting a guy once and got instadeleted and with orange police coming here
candid condor
fading blade
Koffing just hit that nerd with the sickest kidney ive ever seen
wintry dew
This discord actually helps people with their tempers. Forbidden word? Na na na, koffing police department on the way
jolly sierra
2 day cc
potent pivot
jolly sierra
so, what now?
candid condor
Nothing.
jolly sierra
:l
candid condor
I hoped you would be entertaining continuing the convo as to how cc was going to slow down the meta.
Errr.. A lack of cc
wicked rampart
checked by myself wizard lobbies and are slow and boring af
yea but with kick and CC reduction, on top of having free precog, I could see caster cleaves potentially being even more oppressing than melee cleaves
jolly sierra
yea but with kick and CC reduction, on top of having free precog, I could see ca...
agree 100% that is the reason think meta will suck instead cc reduction itself
cuz precog being almost baseline for casters
but
can be good
noobs will complain now for being unable to unga bunga in next season so they will be nerfed to the floor KEK
is assa didn't get nerfed again for 10.1 then i think will have very good presence at pvp cuz dampening
and currently being very good for wizard lobbies
unborn portal
the execution build might be the play for longer games, getting people low will be a death sentence with damp
jolly sierra
zoldyck build u say?
bold bison
if the precog change/kick nerf creates a caster meta Assa will be pretty good with a Warlock/SPriest to act as their daddy, but if we end up with an ungabunga melee meta you're going to get trained down before Zoldyck can matter tbh
jolly sierra
yeah, maybe we can flex build for that patch
if become wizard, try a little zoldyck build, if not, our usual one for now
unborn portal
bright forge
Question: I'm a noob and like 1500 rating. I've been playing assa but feels like I'm not dealing enough damage. Should I try out sub? I usually play double DPS 2's and triple DPS 3's with friends
unborn portal
- hows your gear looking?
- do you know the assa rotation? (its easier than sub btw)
- 3x dps is insane
- show talents
sharp sierra
"How does less CC slow down the meta"
Catching up my guess would be. Mainly healers get CC with less CC healers will be able to heal more which slows the game down.
bright forge
1. hows your gear looking?
2. do you know the assa rotation? (its easier than su...
- I've got all the basic conq purps with enchants. No gems yet.
- I usually open with garrote on 1 to two targets, keep rupture/s&d up and drop deathmark/exsang pretty early usually just cause we always run damage.
- Agreed. Lmao. None of us wanna play healer and we're irl friends so it's ok
- Can't ATM but will send it later. It's very close to one of the builds posted in the assa pvp faq
Okay it is similar to the full bleed/poison build but I've realized I haven't spec'd into echoing reprimand... Is that crucial to my damage dealing?
chrome schooner
Catching up my guess would be. Mainly healers get CC with less CC healers will ...
Stopping damage is what slows the game down
sharp sierra
Stopping damage is what slows the game down
Yeah i understand. I’m just guessing that was his thinking.
chrome schooner
Oh
Well
The fact that he was unable to answer when two of us asked shows that he didn't really have a thinking
sharp sierra
😂
chrome schooner
He just plays healer on one char, got CC'ed a long time a couple times, and went full mald mode, that's all
sharp sierra
Yeah i just finished gearing my healer today.
So tomorrow i’ll be trying arena
Got the rogue max geared and the lock all glad geared
plucky sage
Nice. I'm lucky, feral alt so literally just needed healer weapon and I'm good to go resto if I feel like it
But I know I'm gonna be such a shit healer
unborn portal
I also got my healer to 70 over the weekend, time walking go crazy
disc is fun so far, only did 2 solo shuffles but holy hell my blood pressure also gonna go crazy
Enemy healer got dc'ed by mind control 2nd game though
plucky sage
What do you use for party 123 targeting? As a DPS player I'm struggling to find a good bind setup for those without having to rebind stuff on DPS (to maintain consistency)
copper maple
You mean which buttons?
I have mwheel up for arena 1, mwheel down for arena 2 and mouse button 3 for arena 3. For party all the same with shift modifier (with shift mouse 3 being self target).
unborn portal
What do you use for party 123 targeting? As a DPS player I'm struggling to find ...
I use sort group to force order of group; Im always 3, scroll wheel up is party 1 and scroll wheel down is 2 and then I can make a modifier for self cast
waxen meteor
Go healer
easy
Healer won't last too long regardless, they will be killable, once they see r1 works, then it will be a healer kill contest
waxen meteor
rdruid and hpal are both easy to swap..
plucky sage
I use sort group to force order of group; Im always 3, scroll wheel up is party ...
Yeah that's how I did it when I used to play resto druid, but I use mwheel for movement abilities these days like sstep sprint grapple wild charge etc, gonna be hard to redo muscle memory :/ I'm gonna experiment with mmo mouse and see if I find something along those lines
Maybe go back to mwheel for targeting and use side buttons for movement stuff
unborn portal
x is my sprint ang g was grapple to mouse coursor
dull bridge
I don't think reduced crit damage necessarily implies a slower game, at least explicitly. I think any class that explicitly relies on crits is going to get a blanket damage buff on their damage (unless they explicitly want to nerf those classes). The reason for the change is to cut down on high damage abilities randomly critting and doming you from %50 hp. It doesn't make any sense for classes that rely on the crit stat to deal comparable damage (looking at you outlaw) to be punished. That's also why chaos bolt has the "always crits" modifier, so you get less variance. Obviously fewer random deaths means longer games on average but I don't think it necessarily means less overall dps - unless they're trying to nerf all specs except aff lock and demo lock, those that really don't have crit scaling in their kits.
bold bison
I just got griefed so incredibly hard by my own team mate
got palas bubble and trinket
his MW is behind the pillar
I kidney bomb with a flag/coldblood/sectec go
and my WW rings the bomb
knocks the pala into line of his healer
I want to unalive myself
bold bison
hahahaahahahah
most 'I got griefed' scenarios are like... you could have played better to avoid it
but that is the epitome of grief
plucky sage
Nah but in this scenario there's nothing you could do
You had the setup and everything in place
But his brain just autopilot
I guess he didn't register the friendly bomb colour
wicked rampart
Maybe he's using that ring bot some people had for ringing domes lmao
potent pivot
wicked rampart
I've given up on trying to understand queue times lmao
jolly sierra
destros are EZ thro
but demos
more with an elite DH which idk what the fuck was doing there
oh look the pinky elite lock tint doesn't look that bad
lucid citrus
Is there an addon to have your arena frames to have the enemy healer on a specific? (for example: Arena 1 & 2 are dps and Arena 3 is healer) or does that doesn’t exist?
lucid citrus
Ahh gotcha
jolly sierra
look, finally a match without demos or survs
tribal bay
im at 1k6 w the alt and tbh i dont think this is normal lol
i think they will consistently get worse until the end of the season and then slightly improve at the start of every season and consistently get worse again and repeat
wicked rampart
Is there an addon to have your arena frames to have the enemy healer on a specif...
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/framesort is the main one I'm aware of, but I'm not sure it does enemy team, it may only do your own party
night olive
Pretty sure there's nothing to sort enemy team
wicked rampart
And even if there was, it would probably break in solo anyway lol
night olive
At least it won't sort their ArenaX tag
jolly sierra
this kind of situations makes me more resolved, fuck everyone i'll kill them all in next match
but hope faster queue
night olive
I don't even know why you'd want to desert with 30+ min queues x)
night olive
you don't lose mmr if you desert mid game?
night olive
haha that sucks
jolly sierra
i deserve hell i know
night olive
it is what it is, ppl will always exploit where they can till they fix it
somehow doubt they care tho, i see posts about it from early december lol
jolly sierra
nah, if they would care they would fix it already alongside queue times
languid ravine
they should just make solo shuffle 4v4 or 5v5 boom queue fixed
jolly sierra
pls no
languid ravine
why not
4v4 we d have to play 24 rounds until the shuffle is over
that means much more accurate mmr <-> skill correlation
amazing
fix two problems at the same time
jolly sierra
are u serious lol
scarlet shell
5v5? is it no different between league of legends and this?
tribal bay
languid ravine
looks acceptable on first glance, now use your minds eye to add diminishing returns
0.75 sec storm bolts XD
tribal bay
i reckon they should've just nerfed DRs
full -> half -> immune
and then add a DR tracker to the default UI
languid ravine
that would have been too simple
"make CC more meaningful" according to Blizzard means: <It's almost better to take out that stun Talent point and move it to damage>
and what the heck is leg sweep doing at 5 sec??
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING FACEPALM EMOJIS
there
night olive
not sure where he got that leg sweep is 5 seconds. It's not on ptr notes
Ah it's cus they remove cc reduction and apparently they have a modifier that makes it 5 seconds, didn't know
languid ravine
they probably just forgot Monk tbh
jolly sierra
monk indeed has a modifier in pvp
jolly sierra
yeah but from stats to the facts
night olive
what?
night olive
yes i believe you, I'm just asking if anyone knows how I would go about finding the stats for pvp
since wowhead doesn't show it
I guess all cc except evoker stuff is here for anyone wondering https://www.wowhead.com/guide/diminishing-returns-in-pvp-6024
lucid citrus
he got tilted
left spoke
Surv enjoyers eating good in 10.1
jolly sierra
i swear
in 7 more days
ill go w my ret fully buffed and fkn massacre them
every fucking demo and surv
jolly sierra
they actually buffed the blade
left spoke
potent pivot
yes i believe you, I'm just asking if anyone knows how I would go about finding ...
wdym
jolly sierra
they just removed the modifiers
waxen meteor
https://mobile.twitter.com/VanguardsTV/status/1633627681228214273?s=20
Isn't vanguards the top1 ret in NA
unborn portal
he usually is no?
graceful ravine
just saw this comment on reddit
"Cheap shot would actually have it's duration increase, so they could cheap shot -> blind -> sap and still have kidney for the kill target."
😮
tribal bay
"Cheap shot would actually have it's duration increase, so they could cheap shot...
i think the problem is pressing blind is a combat action
graceful ravine
is it?
tribal bay
i think it is yes
wicked rampart
That was my thought, it definitely still puts you in combat in PVE
graceful ravine
i dont remember being in combat when i blind from stealth, maybe i never noticed
tribal bay
also to do that you would need to be in shadowdance or stealthed for the cheap shot
that would only really work for sub i think
if it did work that is
waxen meteor
Yeah i just tried
it doesn't
but cheap shot -> blind lol
sub is the only spec i guess
fierce laurel
I’m already doing KS->blind->sap the trinket.
waxen meteor
it's kinda annoying in 1on1 isn't it?
graceful ravine
sub stocks rise upppp
graceful ravine
ppl will have to trinket blind anyways
so nothings changed
well only if theyre stunned first into a blind
i guess that changed
languid ravine
but cheap shot -> blind lol
sub is the only spec i guess
just be Nightelf lul (and melee range or subterfuge range)
(and use your racial for a chance at sapping)
and cherry on top, maybe I m wrong here but towards the end of cheap shot the blindsap target can not be hit by combat inducing abilities, or else it will still be in combat after blind xd
waxen meteor
just be Nightelf lul (and melee range or subterfuge range)
For the horde
jolly sierra
fuck how become so tilted make me drop 300 CR?
i have 4-2 in a row now, but at which price?
languid ravine
have you been playing solo shuffle?
that is literally the answer of how to become tilted
at this point I am becoming tilted just thinking about solo shuffle
copper maple
Whenever you lose a game and start thinking "I need to queue asap and get my rating back omg", it's often best take a break instead. I feel like that's how I've started many losing streaks in different games.
faint vessel
Isnt sap and blind 8 secs now?
tribal bay
Isnt sap and blind 8 secs now?
not with the 15% CC reduction no
proven kayak
Tbf you can open with blind and sap off that, a lot high rated people play it like this anyway
nova viper
<:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021> For the horde
Red is dead
minor cape
https://mobile.twitter.com/VanguardsTV/status/1633627681228214273?s=20
dude what
they nerfed ret?
oh oke
it's ptr with rework
it would be funny as fuck if they nerfed ret now
wintry dew
The best way to gain rating as a ret rn is not queuing
neat bough
sub stocks rise upppp
did i hear sub stock rising 👀
sharp sierra
what
i dont remember even chatting in the last 20 rounds of solo shuffle
i got reported cus i couldnt keep people alive 👌
according to reddit, telling a toxic inting russian go to ukraine is bannable
tawny kestrel
get owned noob
harsh steppe
pwned
grave current
hey completely new to DF Rogue what spec should i start to get goin
harsh steppe
welcome to the dark side
sub is basically god of everything & the universe & should be worshipped
jk assassin is #1 atm i believe, but sub is still really good
grave current
i heard assa got nerfed to the ground
harsh steppe
everything is getting nerfed to the ground in 10.1
but we still got 3 months
grave current
so assa you say okay ty
harsh steppe
np
copper maple
according to reddit, telling a toxic inting russian go to ukraine is bannable
People who say this often can't distinguish russians and ukrainians
grave current
and for assa we go 2 daggers ?
copper maple
and for assa we go 2 daggers ?
Can't mutilate without 2 daggers so yes
wicked rampart
scarlet shell
master shredder
wise breach
Purple still the best though
scarlet shell
if purple is mythic, then yeah i might as well attempt to raid, just this once.
copper maple
Anything but red is ok with me.
I kinda miss elite sets having a bit of extra detail tbh. I've been enjoying parts of BfA s1 alliance elite set a lot (despite the fact that they robbed us of cooler gloves at some point).
potent pivot
plucky sage
i heard assa got nerfed to the ground
Lol
spark egret
Elite set? https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1100374.jpg
Ye I'd say for sure that's the elite
spring bough
Did they confirm which colors are the elite set? I feel like if S1 is crimson S2 is going to be that red lol
pale storm
which color is missing from raid list then? should be the pvp elite
wise breach
The bottom two don't show up in the appearance tab on the PTR yet, so those are likely the two PvP tints
spring bough
wtb some new pvp back sheathe samurai swords to go with the new set
wise breach
I could see the Trading Post having something like that
Hanzo Sword is good fit already I think
spring bough
felsteel longblade too
scarlet shell
hanzo swords i use for my DH
spring bough
a good fit would be if we could get back warglaives lol
scarlet shell
inb4 they add a samurai set to trading post
spring bough
wraith chill warglaives with the blue elite set omg
vocal surge
I got the ring
harsh steppe
gzzz
faint vessel
As sub how do you 100-0 someone in wpvp?
harsh steppe
spring bough
55% to 0 this lock in 0.9 seconds feels so god damn dirty
4/6 on first solo of the day overall and the last round with the lock death. felt so wicked lol
jolly sierra
fine i went to sleep after that boiling tilting, lemme check that tints
faint vessel
This doesnt work reprimand was nerfed, besides if you open with kidney u dont have enough combo points for a full 6 sec stun
jolly sierra
well we need to do some comparison to discard no pvp tints, lemme turn on the potato laptop
harsh steppe
that's what it says in the pvp guide
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/subtlety-rogue-pvp-rotation-and-playstyle
jolly sierra
green or blue one are the elites
and knowing pvp historial about tints im more leaned to blue this season
harsh steppe
@faint vessel
bold bison
omfg just disable arena for tanks
or solo at least
go do 3s, fine, but don't make me join a double prot pala lobby
spring bough
prot paladins? lol
bold bison
jokers
spring bough
i usually stay in stealth or get blasted lmao
jolly sierra
delete protadin matches in SS
bold bison
everyone else got 2-4 because they needed the DH to win
I had to queue 40 min for that joke
spring bough
these ques are taking forever. finally got back to duelist this morning tryna make a run on that elite finally
any1 notice Pika using the health trinket for his outlaw builds? i am intrigued lol
jolly sierra
that ravenx guy ended leaving the server?
harsh steppe
@plucky sage thanks for your help again I finally got them finished today let's fucking GOOOOOOOOO
you were right, open orientation / df quests on my rogue i think it was tyty ❤️
spring bough
cobalt GY campers are lame asf lol
dull bridge
that's what it says in the pvp guide
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/subtlety-rogu...
i don't know who writes the rogue icy veins guide but iv guides tend to be not too reliable
if you're starting with combo points imo you want to kidney after you dance
wicked rampart
I mean I think the thought process there is the guide is assuming you are running The First Dance (which it states in that rotation) which generates CP's when you use dance, so rather than waste free CP's you get to 0 with kidney first
dull bridge
True true I'm tripping
bold bison
I'm playing a weird Sub build down the Vanish CDR side, but with flag for doing a really big kill attempt once someone has trinketed, but I'm finding something odd
If I do a 7cp SecTec with my build, it hits for 229k
spring bough
sounds like a one shot lol
bold bison
if I play the regular build and do an Echoing Reprimand go with SecTec it hits 272k
but the shadow part only does 18% more dmg
but with veiltouched, black powder and dark brew it should be hitting 31% harder
faint vessel
Is that in arena with a 424 ilvl?
bold bison
PvP dummy, symbols+badge with no weapon enchant procs
faint vessel
Whats your ilvl
faint vessel
Thats a solid number ah super high nmastery have u tried the rotten instead of reprimand?
Can you tell me howd you get bis? U went on a mythic raiding binge?
fierce laurel
but the shadow part only does 18% more dmg
Do you take 7cp with the rotten build? Are you triggering deeper by evis first? Are you aware of how macabre works?
bold bison
build #1 has no ER and Flag instead of Rotten
build #2 has ER and the extra magic dmg modifiers
bold bison
Do you take 7cp with the rotten build? Are you triggering deeper by evis first? ...
yes yes and yes 🙂
bold bison
Can you tell me howd you get bis? U went on a mythic raiding binge?
I mythic raid and M+ to upgrade crafted stuff
bold bison
Also weapon procs are about 25%
ye i'm testing without saphic procs
faint vessel
Damn i dont have time
fierce laurel
And you’re making sure you have the same macabre stacks for each?
bold bison
And you’re making sure you have the same macabre stacks for each?
so interestingly, by the time the shadow clones hit the ER build has an extra stack of DM, yet does less dmg
the CDR build goes dance > evis > strike > sectec > strike which is 3 stacks when clones hit
ER build goes dance > evis > ER > sectec > strike which is 4 stacks
fierce laurel
I wonder if it’s bugged and clones don’t get brew and deeper daggers.
I wouldn’t be shocked.
bold bison
definitely feels like one of the modifiers isn't registering
not that it matters I guess, I've just been hitting dummy between queues for muscle memory purposes
bold bison
Damn i dont have time
you can get close, the only big crafted pieces I have are shoulders and ring tbh, the rest are available through PvP
fierce laurel
Well if this is the case then everyone sending 4 point evis’ are doing it wrong.
dull bridge
wasn't there some funny business with sec tech at the beginning of the expansion? like details not registering the shadow hits, maybe there's some funny coding with shadow clones being treated as separate entities or sth
fierce laurel
I’m going to test that more. Not that it really matters. I think the rupture is too good to give up.
Can you test just a 1 pt sec tec with and without dark brew/deeper?
See if it actually does more.
Deeper daggers not strat
potent pivot
I wonder if it’s bugged and clones don’t get brew and deeper daggers.
You can check iirc
You just have to make sure Pets is checked in the blizzard combat log settings
fierce laurel
Not at work I can’t.
potent pivot
wasn't there some funny business with sec tech at the beginning of the expansion...
They are treated as pets, yes
fierce laurel
But they do damage based on your damage because find weakness does increase the shadow component.
I did test that
copper maple
Can anyone name the website where you can see what talents people use in arena and whatnot? I remember in bfa there was thelootdistrict, but I think there's a different one these days
dull bridge
But they do damage based on your damage because find weakness does increase the ...
why would find weakness increase the shadow component damage? it's an armor debuff not a shadow damage debuff
copper maple
Cheers
fierce laurel
why would find weakness increase the shadow component damage? it's an armor debu...
Why would replicating shadows put you in combat?
Why doesn’t flare give you subterfuge?
Why do the shadow clones not attack outside of normal range if you have acrobatic strikes?
Why does shadowy duel clear your target?
Why can you shadow step out of spear of bastion?
Why do melee abilities have a wider arc of attack than auto attack?
copper maple
Interesting, some talents I didn't really consider are the most picked 😄
Feel kinda stupid now
dull bridge
Why would replicating shadows put you in combat?
Why doesn’t flare give you subt...
I was asking a legitimate question lol
fierce laurel
If you step while you’re getting snapped you break it.
Same with blink or grip or anything
surreal barn
So you run out and step as it’s pulling in?
copper maple
That's some game changing stuff
fierce laurel
Yeah but it’s super tight timing.
copper maple
I thought you're doomed to sit it since cloak doesn't break it anymore
surreal barn
queues dumb and dumber there’s a chance gif
fierce laurel
Even if you expect it, you gotta practise it. And it’s super hard to get the timing right if you’re snared.
surreal barn
If I’m screwed sometimes I duel the healer so I don’t get trained I’ll have to practice the step
copper maple
Is blindside and the talents above it actually bad?
spring bough
these ques taking forever today feel like the avg wait time is 30min
dull bridge
Is blindside and the talents above it actually bad?
they're not
it's just that the other talents are much comfier to play with
copper maple
like which for example?
dull bridge
serrated bone spike, doomblade, shrouded suffocation, intent to kill
jolly sierra
can zoldyck be relevant for wizard lobbies at future?
dull bridge
why specifically for wizard lobbies
jolly sierra
dampening playstyle
dull bridge
you'll deal less overall damage with zoldyck + ap compared to shrouded suffocation + sbs
zoldyck + ap is good for killing in setups
jolly sierra
i see
dull bridge
but in dampeners if nobody goes below %35 that's literally 3 points you're spending for nothing and you gave up %20 garrote damage at all times
copper maple
serrated bone spike, doomblade, shrouded suffocation, intent to kill
I've had all of these except intent
wicked rampart
It would probably be easier for you to just post your current build and we could tell you from there rather than guessing lol
dull bridge
I've had all of these except intent
then you don't have dtb
which i didn't write there because it's basically mandatory lol
spring bough
how many ques to get about 175 rating at duelist. win 3 at 4/6 seems like it might do it
jolly sierra
do u have a streak?
spring bough
i think ive won minimum 4 rounds the last 3-4 ques
spring bough
sweating bullets over here closest ive been to elite all season lol
jolly sierra
dude everytime im close to duelist always i got something which counters me and i drop hard
this game rng hates me
copper maple
I tried playing some other talents. The occasional free Ambush felt better tbh
jolly sierra
in last match at 2040 cr i got a devoker, a dark iron demo and a ele
chrome schooner
Out of curiosity, does someone know whether you go with a fresh mmr when you change spec in shufle, or do you impact specs mmr by playing others ?
I know logically it shouldn't, but blizzard coding is ... its own
copper maple
Also getting a lobby with 3 zug zug and fistweaver is a joke. Can't even blind the guy cause he's basically a third zug zug.
jolly sierra
some ppl said it gaves a lot of mmr at alt specs
but usually is like 1500 mmr at 0 cr
night olive
wdym
When I searched for leg sweep on wowhead the pvp multiplier was one. The only place I could see that the duration was 5 seconds instead of the normal 3 was in the diminishing returns list. It just boggles me how inaccurate and unclear wowhead can be sometimes.. unless I'm missing something
spring bough
ive hit duelist 3 times this season and every time i get to 2200 i somehow end at 1600 and have to work back
jolly sierra
crap i wish ur luck
spring bough
i found that with fistweaver if you just train them it stops them in their tracks lol
copper maple
i found that with fistweaver if you just train them it stops them in their track...
someone else was dying most of the time
mostly a warrior
jolly sierra
usually the fistweaver is flamed hard in shuffle
spring bough
just dont stand in the purple on the ground screw a fistweaver lol
jolly sierra
cuz ppl complains about healing
copper maple
I dont see anything on the ground, everything is a mess
spring bough
it sucks when you have literally the firstweaver and both dps training you though that is rough. happened last night and it wouldnt stop lol
copper maple
when 5 people stack on each other
spring bough
i think when that happened last night i went 100 to 0 in like 0.5
chrome schooner
some ppl said it gaves a lot of mmr at alt specs
does playing alt spec lower my main spec mmr is what concerns me most
jolly sierra
does playing alt spec lower my main spec mmr is what concerns me most
ahhh is that
sorry, i don't have the answer
chrome schooner
'cause like, I played assa somewhat high, then I wanted to experiment a meme build as outlaw, turned out I started with 2.6 with full mastery gear and a meme build so I lost a lot of games before being able to see what I wanted to see
then I went higher as assa
jolly sierra
hmmm
chrome schooner
And now I am wondering, well, if I play Outlaw AGAIN, to play it seriously this time, will it impact assa
jolly sierra
did u compared the mmr the 1st time u joined?
jolly sierra
:l
chrome schooner
but since it got me to 3368 I'm like well
jolly sierra
think u will have the answer
jolly sierra
if u requeue just ONCE
jolly sierra
welp
tbh would be good if blizz show us our current mmr instead showing it at matches
chrome schooner
yep
spring bough
if you hit elite does that title stay forever or just the season
cause ima rock it all the gd time if i finally get it today lol
spring bough
RIP to that cause OL in 3s to get that would never happen lol
wtb an update to solo shuffle to keep titles lol
these elite swords with berzerking illusion are too dope
tawny kestrel
@chrome schooner u wont fuck with ur mmr dont worry
jolly sierra
i like flames of ragnaros
tawny kestrel
being high in 1 spec will make u start with a bit higher mmr in the other specs
but u wont lose assa mmr by playing outlaw and losing
jolly sierra
so is intended to have a little more mmr?
spring bough
who here is the elite elite elite champ and has 2400 on all three specs lol
dull bridge
i run this build against melee lobbies, hunters, demolocks and fistweavers. it's a bit cheesy if there are no pets but one time i got an unholy dk + demo lobby and I had 30 second uptime every 45 seconds on %24 agility
fistweavers deserve to be cleaved like the m+ trash they are
spring bough
lol fistweavers getting ripped on but ive seen a few 3k ones so its gotta be working lol
dull bridge
they're not bad, i just think it's a degenerate playstyle
jolly sierra
crap my legs feels so weak, maybe i overexcersise them yesterday
spring bough
the guy i played against today his character name was literally Fistweaver
jolly sierra
at least can play calmer without any need to move
rain verge
Hi Team
Im starting to get up there in RBGs (1600 rated) and im running between Sub and Assa, i feel like Assa does more dmg, but i almost always encounter other Sub rogues
Is sub ahead of Assa in RBGS?
unborn portal
a good sub will kill you / defend / attack better
jolly sierra
sub is always above assa at same skill level
copper maple
If you think that's degenerate, remember legion mws with crane?
they gained cc immunity if I recall correctly\
rain verge
Okay, i thought so too, then it's still me struggling with playing Sub
potent pivot
When I searched for leg sweep on wowhead the pvp multiplier was one. The only pl...
Ahh gotcha
tawny kestrel
Hi Team
Im starting to get up there in RBGs (1600 rated) and im running between...
it depends on what map
you should be able to play both
rain verge
I can play both, but i am struggling with Sub. I play sup around 1400-1500 rating in 2s
But i feel like i have no grip of how the spec is played
:p
tawny kestrel
do u have a team u play rbg with or is it mostly just random groups
rain verge
Pugs
tawny kestrel
ah
unborn portal
I can play both, but i am struggling with Sub. I play sup around 1400-1500 ratin...
you can sap then cap; if they trinket sap, blind then cap
rain verge
Im the biggest ninja capper in the game
thats not an issue, it's dmg to fc as sub thats an issue for me
tawny kestrel
always play assa on fc maps
unborn portal
^
tame nexus
Okay, i thought so too, then it's still me struggling with playing Sub
Sub has a steeper learning/setup curve
jolly sierra
look at the new crafted cloak
spring bough
well my momentum to elite gone lmao. 3-3 after this lock went 5-1 and just destroyed everyone lol only went up 12 rating >.>
spring bough
162 rating to go lol
unborn portal
we are all going to make it
tawny kestrel
What would you play on maps like Eye of the storm
sub on base maps
tame nexus
look at the new crafted cloak
Interesting, is stat budget as standard?
jolly sierra
Interesting, is stat budget as standard?
seems like
spring bough
currently 5-0 off priest swaps ive deleted each healer 5 times as outlaw and they are so mad im hella hype
jolly sierra
just got 6-0 into the low cr hell
harsh steppe
nice
jolly sierra
that boosted a lot my mmr so maybe can get my 2k back soon
harsh steppe
spring bough
damn ended up 5-1 and the boomy got flammed to never play boomy again LOL
spring bough
this felt good tho 102 till elite
spring bough
warrior whispers me after "you only got that lobby cause im on a work call" LOL
tame nexus
seems like
Neat then. Its interesting how ppl pass/overlook on utility/def effects in favor of dps in WoW. I once had aa argument with a m+ mate of mine. He hard wanted me to drop 120 avoidance for 20 dps (sim) gain on a slot ...
jolly sierra
warrior whispers me after "you only got that lobby cause im on a work call" LOL
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
jolly sierra
Neat then. Its interesting how ppl pass/overlook on utility/def effects in favor...
i could drop def effects if i have enough defensives and healing
but if not, seems like the rule
tame nexus
i could drop def effects if i have enough defensives and healing
We were at a point where general survival was the issue, not the overall dmg.
tame nexus
He was, we talked on it for about an hour with no resolution
jolly sierra
bruh
spring bough
3-3 and 49 rating im shitting bricks lol
2339 on the way to elite sweating bullets here
unborn portal
I believe
jolly sierra
CMON CMOOOOOOOOOOON
spring bough
wish these ques went fast lol
jolly sierra
don't feel nervous that fucked me the 1st time i was almost to duelist
literal w my hands numbing
spring bough
yeah my heads are clams
im rocking some unorthodox outlaw spec and im never changing it now lol
it must feel so bad to get hammer of wrathed by the healer for the KB lol
jolly sierra
report KS
plucky sage
im rocking some unorthodox outlaw spec and im never changing it now lol
Please share screenshot I'm curious. Also, grats on going so well with Outlaw, hope you get elite!
Another thing is, you would do well to hack your mindset a bit. Like tell yourself you're on the way to 3k, that this is just another match in a longer road to 3k (your actual rating)
harsh steppe
^
plucky sage
Your brain will sabotage you if you let it believe 2400 is your peak
spring bough
BQQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFAAAJkERSE4ASCJSSgkEJRiIJJJhAAAAAAAElkAlkAJBBAAAA is my build. went away from lethality for leach and recuperator and went for crimson vial talents and crimson vial pvp talent over maneuverability
harsh steppe
r1 or bust baby
plucky sage
Noooo I'm on phone in bed that's why I wanted a screenshot xD anyway I'll check it tomorrow
spring bough
been in a que 20 min waiting to get this last 61 rating its so tiring sitting here waiting lol
jolly sierra
OOF
plucky sage
No no no change that mindset. It's not the "last 61 rating"
It's just the next game that you'll 6-0 on your blitz to 3k on your Zero to Hero blue gear challenge to be R1
Ok
plucky sage
Say it out loud 5 times
plucky sage
Thanks!
spring bough
yall gonna have me chanting at my computer LMAO
jolly sierra
btw wtf happened with that guy ravenx? seems like he left
plucky sage
Interesting, you went with flurry talent over KS?
spring bough
i been rocking that since 0 rating lol
plucky sage
yall gonna have me chanting at my computer LMAO
spring bough
i try to keep it up 100% of the time it smokes pets and such
harsh steppe
you go this welinth! also remember there are many 3k+ outlaw rogues
https://www.pvpleaderboard.com/leaderboards/solo/us/rogue/outlaw
spring bough
i used to rock the extra 2 yard melee talent but swapped that for grip and got rid of SS
harsh steppe
i got to have that talent every inch matters 😉
plucky sage
Also no blinding powder! I thought that was the ONE thing that outlaw could benefit from was the short blind cd
spring bough
never used it lol
plucky sage
Very unique build ngl
But seems to be working for ya so that's great. So many people just copy top ranked players builds but it's nice to see you're just going with what works for you and your playstyle.
Anyway gotta hit the hay, good luck with your next match
languid ravine
This is the reason I take Gouge on every Rogue Spec, so I can GOUGE MY EYES OUT
harsh steppe
gn anon
spring bough
man small bump in the road lost a round with a dude at 1% and went 2-4 >.>
gg 49 rating lol
dull bridge
homie I'm sorry but wth are you doing
spring bough
thriving rn lol
jolly sierra
man small bump in the road lost a round with a dude at 1% and went 2-4 >.>
well, ur day is ended
try again tomorrow
dude dunno why i hate guys irl and ingame which lecture me from nowhere lol
why that kind of persons wants to control everything? xdd
languid ravine
it's because their whole lives have been a lie and they dont realize
jolly sierra
a guy whispered me to focus the arcane mage to kick him, the problem is i have high ping all the time, so i don't guarantee a sync interrupt, then i gouge instead
was after the game, i won 4-2, but damn
just whispered him "dont lecture me" and then kept whispering in the window lol
languid ravine
If I learned one thing after playing rogue for 8 years
jolly sierra
dude, i come from a bad streak, ofc i know how to play at 1k7 hell
languid ravine
its that everyone else knows Rogue class better than me
scarlet shell
same people celebrating the rogue cc nerfs lol
harsh steppe
i have
/say sorry still new
macroed because i get triggered when stuff like that happens lol
jolly sierra
bruh lemme play alone, if i mistake then is my fault
i literal stepped to him and hid w him in pillar w cheat death just triggered in front on him and nothing
languid ravine
worst part is "kick mage" is just a straw on the camels back and you know camels really dont give a shit about straws on their backs
jolly sierra
i could perfectly complain about his fkn healing but no
languid ravine
I mean its gotta be a HUGE pile of straws
like meters tall or something
did anyone do the math
harsh steppe
jolly sierra
worst part is "kick mage" is just a straw on the camels back and you know camels...
was arcane
but even like that
unless is critical constructive feedback instead passive aggresive comments ended by 🙂 i would read
else i send ppl to fuck off
ended for now, my computer is having HUGE disk raising spikes in usage
won't risk CR for framing screen
potent pivot
assa and sub sets are the most boring things i've ever read
sharp sierra
assa and sub sets are the most boring things i've ever read
4pc looks decent. I get that it’s on DM’s CD but while it’s up it’s pretty good, i guess lol.
harsh steppe
is that the new pvp set?
sharp sierra
Get some pretty big damage echoing afterwards and spamming envenom.
potent pivot
is that the new pvp set?
next season's tier sets
sharp sierra
The 2pc is decent(ish)
harsh steppe
ah ok
sharp sierra
Extra 2-3k ish damage every 2 seconds constantly.
harsh steppe
yah that 2 set is def nice
potent pivot
i'm not saying they're bad sets
sharp sierra
dance giving symbols is nice
Yeah
potent pivot
just.. not very interesting
harsh steppe
true lol
sharp sierra
Ahh okay, yeah, honestly i think assa in general is boring.
potent pivot
assa is a lot less boring this expansion
it has so many more buttons now
a lot more capabilities
sharp sierra
Probably because when i started rogues we’re always about maneuvering to get behind and backstabs and stuns.
Now assa is just applie dots, keep dots up
potent pivot
sub and assa playstyle is very similar rn
jolly sierra
boring, but decent, i take it
imo that kind of bonuses are the least leaned to be axed to the floor
potent pivot
the assa set might actually make kingsbane even better
jolly sierra
cuz are simplier
potent pivot
send DM, then KB when DM falls
jolly sierra
seems like
and the 4set fixes assa true struggling w dispells
so u can keep the pressure
i repeat, i take it
harsh steppe
does this mean there is hope for 10.1?!
sharp sierra
Honestly i’ve just been hitting rated honor cap for vault and then playing lock or priest. I’ve been having more fun on those.
Disc priest is fun in arena. Especially when people train you and they can barely do shit. Plus you get a shit load extra honor for being a healer
Unlocking dark iron now to make a shaman and i have to say BFA had to be the worst content ever made.
I didn’t play from wotlk until DF but i’d say it’d be a good guess to say bfa was everyone’s least favorite xpac
sharp sierra
Oh okay, yeah i don’t think i did anything in wod since i been back.
potent pivot
sharp sierra
But boralus and Zul are horrible, no flying and it taking so many hours to get i thought it would have to be that haha
jolly sierra
wod lacked content
compared to BFA being fucking shit
imagine the persons which needed to fly in BFA after xp and then check the requiremets lol
also, the pve trinkets
scarlet shell
i heard next patch they are removing pathfinder requirement and letting people fly in bfa
potent pivot
But boralus and Zul are horrible, no flying and it taking so many hours to get i...
yeah i just wouldn't level through bfa tbh if i were you
cataclysm+WoD intro is usually the fastest
proven kayak
shadowlands without flying in places like revendreth made me mostly to alt f4
proven kayak
this is actually so boring
but its good
jolly sierra
i heard next patch they are removing pathfinder requirement and letting people f...
hope that
u need to admit, wod is very good to level up and farming stuff
its only issue was the lack of content, else would be a very good xp
proven kayak
the only expa i played was vanilla/tbc/wotlk then i played again at SL
unborn portal
cataclysm+WoD intro is usually the fastest
Time walking is so free for leveling
I got 60-70 in like 3 hours
jolly sierra
i played since wotlk every xp
unborn portal
I’m sorry
proven kayak
i only played cus of covid times
jolly sierra
enjoyed legion the most and SL the least alongside cataclysm tho
potent pivot
Time walking is so free for leveling
ye and the brawler pvp event thingies
jolly sierra
cata had a lot of deathbriger's will and gurthalak in arena
proven kayak
can u get stuff from brawlers guild at timewalk ?
jolly sierra
i still recall in cata some pricks kicking u from HC dungeons just cuz u were in full pvp gear
dude, literal the fkn shitty gear dropping there was blue lol
scarlet shell
oh yeah ofc bfa is long and convoluted
i still like Zul >>>>> Bor
i like boralus but i cant with drustvar for example
languid ravine
bfa could have been amazing, but for NO reason blizz just ignored every single problem, feedback and solution and crammed one system onto the next, borrowed power was like 65% of your dps in 8.3 and every thing was timegated as hell
scarlet shell
it was so alt unfriendly
languid ravine
also somehow "pvp scaling" made it so your character was weaker (!) the more sockets you have on your gear
scarlet shell
i am still waiting for the day that Shroud of resolve is account wide
visions of nzoth had to be the funniest pvp patch
random one shots, ungabunga
infinite stars
languid ravine
tank beam :^) highest dps in M+ xd
jolly sierra
pvp in bfa was shit
languid ravine
and guess what, just fix accessibility and numbers and boom: corruption best system ever
but that would be too simple
jolly sierra
u literal had to pve else u would never get geared for pvp
cuz the fkn chest barely dropped 2 items and the upgrade trophies were extremely hard to get
dull bridge
don't forget about drest
jolly sierra
god fkn drest coin rolling
dull bridge
also i like sub and assa sets
outlaw set is dogshit
won't change gameplay at all
bte quadruple crit should've stayed baseline
languid ravine
I think its fine on tree, so you wont be forced into crit at all times