There's no way it will actually happen
#pvp
copper maple
tribal badger
is sap capping still a major thing in rbgs? i thought every team worth half a chopstick sat specs u couldnt sapcap vs anyway on flags
or is this just a random bg thing we r talking about
fierce laurel
I’ve seen people sit veng dhs
tribal badger
sure u either sit someone who can stop u when ccd (pet class) or u sit someone who can sit 40 yards away and still stop you by mobility or w/e
veng like to sit behind a wall
veng is good for the latter
kind dawn
So our class isnt gonna be fun to play anymore in 10.1 ?
They gonna make rogue a little bit more tanky since they taken away our only true defensive cc
?
copper maple
It's the first ptr notes for a patch we will see months later
I wouldn't panic too much... yet
kind dawn
If these changes stay same our class is done for
copper maple
🫡
kind dawn
Sad day to be a rogue main
kind dawn
People might quit
burnt kraken
U mean pve?
kind dawn
No pvp u not seen new changes they making to cc n kicks
supple pulsar
Better play dh than classic ngl
kind dawn
All classes got nerfed cc
But the rogues will feel it the most imo
And i dont want to play a different class tho i like the way rogue plays
I like being able to control the fight
lucid citrus
sameee
burnt kraken
Not by so much if you count in the 15% trinked bonus is getting removed
But blind is a brutal nerf
Thats how i win many games as sub
kind dawn
But they didnt reduce the secs on roots or snared tho
burnt kraken
Not fear either xd
copper maple
I wouldn't care if it was just 5 sec kidney nerf.
burnt kraken
Kidney is barely nerfed, its 0.1 sec
kind dawn
Kidney usually used to score a kill tho
burnt kraken
5.1 before (conting tricket bonus) 5.0 now
copper maple
The only positive is supposedly they will change orc racial
kind dawn
We wont be able to kill anything soon cc over the heal with use a cd or something and top off people
tribal badger
think thats just a lot of hopium from people in here
not any actual input from blizzard about orc racial
historically they dont give much of af about racials being op in pvp
when they do it takes very long times for them to respond
kind dawn
The only positive is supposedly they will change orc racial
No orc master race
Humens get a free trinket
copper maple
Night elf is best rogue race since wotlk, fight me
tribal badger
but new devs new outlook on pvp clearly so who knows
kind dawn
Night elf is best rogue race since wotlk, fight me
I agree night elf is like master race for alot of classes shadow meld is so good
But im horde
copper maple
You need some luck to meld consistently
kind dawn
Or skill
kind dawn
Idk if i see a storm bolt flying at me and i meld thats not luck just saying
Meld poly
copper maple
I peaked at 2k doing 2s with SP in shadowlands prepatch, I do not posess skill
supple pulsar
Meld fear infernal stun
kind dawn
U just got to be paying attention or Anticipate it
copper maple
Sure some obvious things are easy to meld, but not a lot
supple pulsar
Actually more than u think
copper maple
Gone are the days of bloody maledict
Gone for good
I melded a kidney in skirmish once in my life
supple pulsar
Good ol day of hardstack corruption trinket into 30s of cc 
copper maple
But I wouldn't say meld is great to avoid kidney shots
supple pulsar
If u track Dr
copper maple
I'm failing to track enemy drs in soloq, getting old
copper maple
That's even harder
copper maple
I blinded a full dr healer recently cause he was spam cycloned and i was tunnel visioning
Still won though xD
Average soloq experience
harsh steppe
i can't figure out how to track dr tbh
i have big debuffs, diminish, omnicc, omnicd, & idk where it is
night olive
gladius
harsh steppe
i have gladius
burnt kraken
Just use gladius and its next to the arena frames
harsh steppe
so can i delete diminish then?
drowsy oyster
(And so i had to take a break from the cord 4 months, AFTER saying that there was no crying 💞🤣💞)
harsh steppe
ok i just popped my kidney, i don't see it anywhere?
dull bridge
this is ui gore
supple pulsar
so can i delete diminish then?
No
Diminish is for ur own Dr
Gladius doesn't show ur own Dr as far as I know
Mby weakaura or tmw can do it too
harsh steppe
yah that's what i need, i dont see my kidney dr anywhere
where is my diminish? i have it enabled
harsh steppe
😕
kind dawn
There a addon called demish
harsh steppe
yes, i have it
dull bridge
it's supposed to be to the right of their trinket
kind dawn
On curse
dull bridge
but i don't see a stun Dr in the screenshot
harsh steppe
ik that's my problem lol
supple pulsar
Either ur kidney get dodged or u don't have stun Dr enable
harsh steppe
i just hit kidney on druid, you can see the kidney dr on the right side of gladius for him, but i can't see my own diminish
yes it's gladiusex
graceful ravine
your own dr is a separate addon
harsh steppe
yes i have it, but ig i need a different one
burnt kraken
I would suggest not having your spells in the corner maybe 🙂
harsh steppe
what spells
fierce laurel
I just make a stun DR WA and stick it by my nameplate so I know when to line up disarms
harsh steppe
can it track kidney sap etc
edgy patrol
So how does everyone feel about 10.1 
My rogue may actually never see the light of day again 
edgy patrol
honestly yeah, classes that just smash face
graceful ravine
blade flurry does 0 dmg
edgy patrol
outlaw never relied on big cc so they may have supremacy tbh
supple pulsar
blade flurry does 0 dmg
Let me cope 
harsh steppe
so how can i track my own DRs?
edgy patrol
on yourself?
harsh steppe
yes
supple pulsar
so how can i track my own DRs?
With diminish
edgy patrol
I got an addon for that
harsh steppe
diminish doesn't work
supple pulsar
It work
edgy patrol
Do you use any unique personal frames?
harsh steppe
i just showed several screens that show it doesn't...?
supple pulsar
Just enable Dr stuns on urself
harsh steppe
i do
edgy patrol
i just showed several screens that show it doesn't...?
you tried 'toggle test mode' to see what is up?
it may not be appearing in the right place
graceful ravine
next patch u can just ignore all drs
harsh steppe
it pulls up my arena frames, which i don't use
edgy patrol
Jesus christ you aren't asking about your own frames
your own drs
you mean drs on the targets?
but yours?
that doesn't exist
harsh steppe
you said toggle test mode, that's what i did
harsh steppe
idk anymore =/ thanks for trying to help though
edgy patrol
There's no such thing as what you are asking for
It doesn't exist
Like, all dr is the same
there is no 'personal' dr
each target drs against ALL cc equally
harsh steppe
why do i need diminish then
edgy patrol
based on the 'type' of cc
edgy patrol
why do i need diminish then
So you know how long stuns that hit you will last
so you know how long stuns on target, pet target
So that DR tracker can appear above unitframes
nameplates***
harsh steppe
yes
edgy patrol
So that's it
fierce laurel
On the right. Past the pvp trinket
edgy patrol
You've got it
harsh steppe
it's a part of gladiusex right
edgy patrol
it's a part of gladiusex right
it can be
these are dr trackers on my own player frames
that is what 'player' is
it is the dr tracker on stuns that you receive
harsh steppe
so the dr on my kidney in that pic you put up just now, only qualifies for that one enemy? i could get a full kidney on a different enemy?
edgy patrol
so the dr on my kidney in that pic you put up just now, only qualifies for that ...
yes
harsh steppe
i thought it was universal, like kidney had it's own dr
edgy patrol
i thought it was universal, like kidney had it's own dr
nonono
harsh steppe
while i have you guys looking at my ui, any suggestions on what i can improve?
jolly sierra
6 tints, no pink, hope exists guys
wise breach
Locks can keep all the pink
jolly sierra
give them all the pink and give us the edgy black and red for pvp
spark egret
spark egret
https://www.wowhead.com/es/news/new-season-2-death-knight-tier-set-tints-in-patc...
if pvp is the red color
im fucking done
please don't force me to play this dogshit again
I mean it's not red is heroic
and purple is mythic
seems to be the color scheme for other classes but who knows
proven kayak
well there is no way those ppl are not AI generated
jolly sierra
u say? mostly is something w red or black/brown
tbh there are still 2 tints missing for rog, hope is not fkn pink
bold bison
while i have you guys looking at my ui, any suggestions on what i can improve?
Where’s your focus bar?
spark egret
u say? mostly is something w red or black/brown
Yeah I'm only going off of other classes and besides its listed as a raid item in ptr
If you check the red ones
I agree with you it's most always been red for pvp
fierce laurel
So what’s everyone going to do with twice as many globals in our cs sub goes?
Cs evis er sec Cs ss cs evis looks gross.
tribal badger
type on the forums complaining about blind sap nerf
its my partners job to kill the dude anyway
bold bison
Assa is still A tier, Sub still sleeper S tier in the hands of great players
10.1 looking omega sketchy
hasty nebula
What do you guys do in melee cleave solo shuffle lobbies as sub rogue?
Espec when theres fistweavers too
waxen meteor
What do you guys do in melee cleave solo shuffle lobbies as sub rogue?
Go healer
upper wing
As a rogue pvper these changes will kill my class. Rogue needs chain CCs to kill anything. I play assa and my bleeds/poisons don't do enough before I get mowed down be melee or self heal class. Dks just wreck me and I have to be playing against a bad warrior to actually win a 1v1 against them. I will reroll war, or maybe even ret, if these changes make it to live. Rogues will feel just so bad. Mortal strike is just too good to not play arms. Rogues shiv was already reduced too btw. Just a little better than mortal strike now. Our toolkit is being taken away lol
tawny kestrel
jolly sierra
mucho texto
upper wing
It’s good that they did the CC nerfs, but bad that they won’t buff warriors
harsh steppe
Where’s your focus bar?
i didn't have a focus there, but it's underneath my target bar
lunar granite
👻 👻 👻
unborn portal
while i have you guys looking at my ui, any suggestions on what i can improve?
I hate it 🙂
languid ravine
I m 2k ass rogue and I am hardstuck at 1.400 on Sub
wtf even
it feels like the universe is griefing me whenever I click on sub
last round I wasnt able to change talent due to a bug
unborn portal
different gameplay
languid ravine
yes I am aware
copper maple
Just realised relentless is gone in DF. Is being a human kinda useless now?
Was leveling my warrior who happens to be one
harsh steppe
I hate it 🙂
ahaha
grizzled basin
So everyone back to orc again ? I will miss 10.0
proven kayak
I always have a backup orc rogue just in case but if games become snooze fest I will definitely stop play
edgy patrol
Guys Xaryu looks like he is going to cry in his video about 10.1 😭
bold bison
he made some good points but when it started it had the same tone as a #metoo apology video
edgy patrol
he made some good points but when it started it had the same tone as a #metoo ap...
I KNOW
That was my exact thought
I agree with him largely though
Even if I main FW, I don't enjoy full melee cleave metas
light estuary
the only way Blizz can compensate for CC nerfs to rogue is to allow our backstabs/ambush to deal 60-80% of healthbars like back in Vanilla 🙂
and make "out of combat" happen after 3 seconds
jolly sierra
behead holinka
languid ravine
I always have a backup orc rogue just in case but if games become snooze fest I ...
you do realize, that when 'Crowd control' becomes relatively weaker, that also means that Orc Racial becomes less valuable, right?
jolly sierra
ffs got a match w 2 warrs and a surv now REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
faint vessel
so you know how long stuns on target, pet target
Not stun lasts on target but knowing if you stun him again using the same type you wont get the full stun duration (i.e u cheap shot him 4 secs and u follow up with a full kidney, u wont get 6 secs instead ull just get 3 secnds of stun instead until DR resets bec its diminished.
edgy patrol
yeah that's defaulted in gladius
faint vessel
I actually use a different addon, its called Diminish
edgy patrol
I actually use a different addon, its called Diminish
both work :)
edgy patrol
you do realize, that when 'Crowd control' becomes relatively weaker, that also m...
It gains value because prior every race had access to it through trinkets, now no race does
And relentless trinket is no longer in the game
So just orcs and mag'har have access to this
Mag'har only works on like...hex, though
halcyon timber
the only way Blizz can compensate for CC nerfs to rogue is to allow our backstab...
Harder ambushes + backstab would be largely welcomed.
languid ravine
It gains value because prior every race had access to it through trinkets, now n...
no it doesnt gain anything
I literally explained that it will lose value
now if other the other races lose even more value then congratz
graceful ravine
@fierce laurel can you send me a non-gap opener for sub? with ER
languid ravine
Gnome meta is over everyone, time to uninstall
edgy patrol
now if other the other races lose even more value then congratz
they lose value because they don't have the trinkets anymore...?
orc is the only race that is basically keeping that trinket bonus
Also, a lot of CC isn't getting nerfed
Cheap Shot, Leg Sweep
two great examples of things that are just 3 seconds instead of 4 for who? Orcs.
languid ravine
hello stop smartasshatting
languid ravine
I m nót reading 3 pages of change,ogs for 3 months in advance
all I said was orc will lose value
edgy patrol
all I said was orc will lose value
orc already has 0 value
it is gaining, because it currently has 0
20% is more than 0%
languid ravine
what is orc reduction
edgy patrol
20%
languid ravine
right now
edgy patrol
it does not stack with GS
languid ravine
so it will reduice blind by 1.6sec
edgy patrol
no, stuns
if it did all CC
oh my
that'd be stupid
but blind is going to be fucking 5 seconds in 10.1
languid ravine
okay so it orc always reduces stuns by 20%
edgy patrol
yes 
edgy patrol
Oh no
You misunderstand
Currently it isn't doing anything
the orc racial has 0 value (Well technically 5%)
because of Gladiator's Distinction
languid ravine
that is hilarious
edgy patrol
The racial is literally useless currently
languid ravine
okay I didnt know that
edgy patrol
My point is that due to the removal of GS, it will be useFUL
edgy patrol
👁️👁️
edgy patrol
orc still better than nightborne xd
Oh god don't remind me of Nightborne
languid ravine
3 min cd on that 2 sec root
languid ravine
edgy patrol
it is garbage
I wish they had "all magical effects 20% less duration"
I'd play the fuck out of that
but it'd be op
languid ravine
its okay they have the cool unique feature to summon a letterbox for the whole raid
edgy patrol
:x
languid ravine
oh wait what is that, a toy that can do that?
edgy patrol
me when nightborne racial in my inventory
languid ravine
I just went 1-5 in a 1300 lobby because people think it is a good idea to facetank UHD/feral and faceroll their keyboards
edgy patrol
I just went 1-5 in a 1300 lobby because people think it is a good idea to faceta...
This whole reason is why I refuse to dps in solo shuffle
languid ravine
Its completely fucked, anyone who says differently is out of their ass
the low ranks are skewed massively to pve specs
edgy patrol
the low ranks are skewed massively to pve specs
I mean, would you call warr a pve spec?
maybe uhdk
languid ravine
pretty much yes
for reference I played outlaw for 6 years or so
and my warrior is 1600 after 2 weeks
edgy patrol
all the orc racials btw hehe
languid ravine
XD
edgy patrol
and my warrior is 1600 after 2 weeks
:x
Warrior is so smoothbrained
keep in mind blood fury is showing as 1 attack power/int because this is a level 1 toon
jolly sierra
i went 2-4 at 2k cr today cuz i faced a surv and 2 warriors in the same lobby
dull bridge
but blind is going to be fucking 5 seconds in 10.1
I'll eat my socks if 5 second blind with 2 minute CD goes through
edgy patrol
Don’t worry guys warrior fear is longer than blind
mfw monk para is almost same duration as blind
edgy patrol
I'll eat my socks if 5 second blind with 2 minute CD goes through
it will
and we will all cry
even 6 seconds is still sappable in some cases so they gotta make this a no-no
edgy patrol
I'll eat my socks if 5 second blind with 2 minute CD goes through
watch rogues just only play with evokers so we can have oppressive roar and still blind-sap
edgy patrol
i went 2-4 at 2k cr today cuz i faced a surv and 2 warriors in the same lobby
surv hunter getting a disarm in 10.1 too 
jolly sierra
this thread will go REEEEEEEEEEEEE at 10.1 day one if all those changes won't revert at time
jolly sierra
surv hunter getting a disarm in 10.1 too <a:pain:952234471497822258>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
edgy patrol
it will disarm primary target, then explode and be aoe on other targets after
jolly sierra
sounds very good for shuffle
edgy patrol
it will be very good
I don't get why they don't do what surv hunters want though
which is: a defensive
this is like pseudo-that
I guess
dull bridge
they're getting %8 Stam and Ros in the main tree which opens up a pvp talent slot
i mean we
edgy patrol
it is interesting
dull bridge
i main SV hunter now 🙂
edgy patrol
idk if ros being pvespeccable will even matter
with it what
being crit only
just make it work like old corpse shield
that'd be nice
dull bridge
tbh it will also be less value since crits are going down in potency
edgy patrol
yeah
it just won't matter that much, like it already sometimes doesn't
sotf is too long cd too
dull bridge
yeah need 2 talent points just to make it usable
unborn tartan
so is assa ass now?
jolly sierra
will be good if doesn't get nerfed at 10.1
cuz is very likely to be a dampening meta
edgy patrol
cuz is very likely to be a dampening meta
Will it not just be even more cleave?
jolly sierra
Will it not just be even more cleave?
no, the meta is favoring wizard lobbies with all those changes
specially precog one
potent pivot
either that or the CE mount
nvm it's not even a mount
apparently it's a boss
dungeon or raid boss or somethin
potent pivot
how so?
graceful ravine
using a reskin of a mount as a boss
potent pivot
what is it a reskin of exactly
graceful ravine
Looks like glad mount
potent pivot
i don't think that qualifies as a reskin exactly lol
plus mounts and bosses probably have to be programmed quite differently
prob same skeleton, which will likely just be enlarged in comparison, but the same is true with the 100 dragon mounts and like 20 dragon bosses in the game already
potent pivot
that has to be a mount bro
well, it isn't
based on what multiple people were saying this morning it's a boss of some sort
would love it if it was though
waxen meteor
LOL
why is everyone is glad mount these days
doing alt arena
also glad mounts * 2
I blame to easy to do alt 🙂
sharp sierra
pikaboo and carl are so drunk right now
lol
carl is talking shit about another streamer
haha love it
wicked rampart
based on what multiple people were saying this morning it's a boss of some sort
There are 2 versions of it, one with a saddle and one without, so possibly still a mount
full ferry
for starting off on rogue pvp what spec should i play? sub or assas
inner yew
Whats the best sub rogue build currently?
toxic yarrow
Might as well re roll lol
long shore
Reddit echo chamber and herd mind set. Best to just avoid forums and worldofpvp. Most of the time it’s just whining, weird flexing and nothing constructive
minor cape
nah i was just sending stuff here because its hypers post 🫡
minor cape
/r/worldofpvp is even worse than the forums
fax
proven kayak
you do realize, that when 'Crowd control' becomes relatively weaker, that also m...
you do realize be the only one who has reduction in stun is better thna having not at all even when the stun duration is reduced so they getting reduced aswell idk how come with such a thought process
hasty nebula
Have you guys noticed
If you open out of stealth
Press dance
and immediately vanish after
The bonusbar:1 macro detects you not in stealth?
copper maple
Maybe it has something to do with vanish not immediately putting you in the actual stealth. It happens a couple seconds later when vanish buff falls off.
hasty nebula
Ya that might be right
See the Q? I can only backstab
So it stays that way
Even after I waited 10sec after vansih
So this is open from stealth>immediately dance>immediately vanish
copper maple
What's the bonus bar macro anyway? Never used it
hasty nebula
Bonus bar is like the new in stealth macor
But its for all types of stealth
sdance
vanish
stealth
subterfuge
copper maple
I thought it's stance macro and they just merged all these together
I still remember the pain of setting binds for shadow dance on old wotlk client 😄
Ideally you want two separate binds for BS and SS.
Last time I played sub I had them both on one button (caused some annoyances sometimes, but not often). Now since ambush is often used outside stealth for both other specs, I changed my binds.
harsh steppe
dammit @minor cape you caught me lol
legit kind of sad because i'm having so much fun on my rogue main, & it just sucks that these nerfs come right after i switch, i'll be having fun but then the nerfs keep coming to the back of my mind, or things i've heard like "rogue dead class" here & elsewhere
i'm glad i made the post tho, some brought up some good points, particularly the guy that listed all the things we still do have, so i'm going to keep maining rogue & stay off #wowtwt for a while lol
harsh steppe
i knowwww but it's hard when you hear things like that lol
i'm definitely not a fotm or meta class player, but i'm not in the total carefree zone either, i'm kind of in the middle
chrome schooner
I mean
Sure it COULD be that rogue has one horrible season
Although i'm not so sure about that
It happened in the past as well
But everytime a class as a whole is bad, blizzard does something
Even to Rogue
tawny kestrel
im sure rogue will be perfectly fine
just so turns out rogue players are in general some of the biggest doomsayers
harsh steppe
ahaha you got that right, i mained hunter before this, & i thought they were bad, jesus 🤣
wise breach
Eh, for me it's not so much about whether rogue will be viable, I just dislike the dumbing down of the game by removing things like blind sap and going towards more of a PvE playstyle
Hope I'm wrong, but crit change plus less cc seems like it would lead to more double melee or double caster comps, and I hate both of those
Who knows though, not going to worry about it
Gimme my Shredder mog and I'm happy
tawny kestrel
wait and see how it feels
maybe its good, no1 can know until it comes out
not like blind sap is completely gone u can still play around it
just stun into blind into sap
works too
sharp sierra
Eh, for me it's not so much about whether rogue will be viable, I just dislike t...
Wait, what did i miss?
wise breach
Wait, what did i miss?
10.1 changes, you must be living under a rock 🙂
sharp sierra
10.1 changes, you must be living under a rock 🙂
😂
All i see is dagger in the dark, distract, and kick lasting 2 seconds less.
minor cape
they are doing some talent reworks
and a lot of stuff will change
so we might just be better in some other thing
but yeah for now dagger in the dark and distract reworks feel like an insult
🥹
sharp sierra
Yeah they don’t seem like much to me. The kick does suck. I can’t find the talent rework that everyone is mad about i guess. Can you link it if you know?
If they’re that bad thankfully i have the hero class they call a warlock fully glad geared and everything 😅
minor cape
nah they basically cut every classes cc
but rogue gets extra cut
like kidney will be the same, cheap will be a bit longer, but blind will be 5 seconds instead of 6.8
which makes you unable to blind sap
and kick well you know
😦
sharp sierra
Why does that ruin blind sap?
harsh steppe
as long as we remain the cc stealth class i’m in
and we still have more ccs than any other class
sharp sierra
Yeah all my arena wins come in form if MFD kidney healer then burst. So as long as kidney good i’m fine haha
chrome schooner
Why does that ruin blind sap?
because ppl don't leave combat in only 5s
sharp sierra
Oh, honestly thought it was exactly 5
sharp sierra
Feels more like 30 seconds when you’re waiting for a resealth and people are running at you 😂
sharp sierra
Lol damn
minor cape
This is why every 8s cc got put to 6 but blind got put to 5 instead
but we can still sap off someone elses cc
sharp sierra
But locks can still fear healer away and then amp+exhaustion them so they have no way to make it back to their dps in time
That shit is so OP i do it all the time on the lock
sharp sierra
Yeah, locks are so good. They’re literally a hero class
I have a rogue lock war and priest to 70
And i play them in about that order.
Then i have just about every other class 30-50
chrome schooner
but we can still sap off someone elses cc
yes, but still not as many as before
sharp sierra
Besides shaman, never even logged onto one.
minor cape
i want to make myself a destrolock i guess
sharp sierra
Yeah, they’re crazy lol. Tank and high damage. Plus locks are probably the best soloers in the game.
Might level the ret too 😅 could have him 70 in like 2 days just insta q dungeons the whole time as prot heal
faint vessel
Can someone list all the dots that can bring us out of stealth after vanish and cloak of shadows buff wear off?
dull bridge
all dots
sharp sierra
If you use cloak and you still see a dot on you after. It’ll bring you out of stealth if yours in it.
tame nexus
Can someone list all the dots that can bring us out of stealth after vanish and ...
It’s not isolated to dd/dot; any dmg will unstealth you. That said it looks like they changed engineering backfires on that.
harsh steppe
what’s the easiest way to tell i have dots on me? just memorizing all the dot debuff icons?
coarse sable
is drakebraker 4 set bonus worth it vs honor gear prior to getting conquest gear?
inner yew
Is Sub 4set not worth using? I see alot of the top sub rogues not using ti
radiant roost
Could anyone please confirm for me how Deathmark works? Does the ability effect work on active bleeds or only newly applied bleeds? Thank you !
tame nexus
Could anyone please confirm for me how Deathmark works? Does the ability effect...
It’s dynamic, will affect previous bleeds, bleeds you apply during and when DM wears off all dublication ends; it doesn’t snapshot
pale storm
Is Sub 4set not worth using? I see alot of the top sub rogues not using ti
You want to go all vers/mastery pieces, mastery being your best stat
sharp sierra
Lmao, all lock specs getting buffed in 0.7
tame nexus
They definitely need more sta, flimsy they are
proven kayak
Is Sub 4set not worth using? I see alot of the top sub rogues not using ti
It only works in wpvp
sly tangle
HELP - Anyone know win condition for Solo Shuffle? I have the most rounds won (4 out of 6) among others and didn't win??
sharp sierra
They definitely need more sta, flimsy they are
Lmao just about all their spells or demons are getting increased damage.
copper maple
HELP - Anyone know win condition for Solo Shuffle? I have the most rounds won (4...
By winning you mean gaining rating?
dull bridge
It only works in wpvp
what
dull bridge
is drakebraker 4 set bonus worth it vs honor gear prior to getting conquest gear...
drakebreaker doesn't work in arena. if you're freshly gearing get your set pieces by catalysing upgraded drakebreaker gear and spending your conq on main hand -> mastery ring -> big mastery pieces
dull bridge
sub rogue 4set only works in world pvp?
narrow tangle
just curiousity why most people don't take gouge?
unborn portal
sub rogue 4set only works in world pvp?
you are thinking of the wpvp set
tier works in arena/bg/rbg/solo shuffle
the drakebreaker gear set only works in world pvp
unborn portal
just curiousity why most people don't take gouge?
few reasons
- too many button
- if press it bad and you dr the wrong person, team mate get angry
its a good ability
unborn portal
and thank you btw, that's a solid answer
assa or sub; sub I feel like you always take
copper maple
gouge can be also be a desperate pseudo interrupt
especially in soloq, where everyone messes DRs anyway 😄
dull bridge
you are thinking of the wpvp set
that's what I'm saying, op said tier set only works in wpvp which is false
copper maple
whats the counterplay to feral besides race chaning to dwarf?
dull bridge
press kidney when he's not bear
dull bridge
is this shuffle
dull bridge
yes
maybe someone more seasoned can answer but they don't have great control or great defense so setting up cc on the healer, not getting cleaved and just pve dpsing to force him off would be my answers
unborn portal
forcing him into bear if possible is nice
copper maple
the one round against him we decided to target him he actually died
so i guess thats the strat
btw, does numbing have any effect on melees?
hasty nebula
In soloshuffle
vs ww dh arms
What target order?
unborn portal
btw, does numbing have any effect on melees?
read spell description friend 🙂
slows attack speed
copper maple
wow no way
i mean, I can bloody read it
but does it have any real effect on their dps?
copper maple
or would the other poison reduce the damage more?
9% attack speed or 3.6% flat damage reduction
hasty nebula
What do u guys do vs meleecleave lobbies?
I consistently climb when im in a lobby with 1-2 castesr
But full melee lobbies are 1-5 or 2-4 for me usually
spark egret
surreal barn
I run away a lot
harsh steppe
rq just wanna thank you all for being so nice & kind & supportive here, been in a bunch of discords and i can honestly say this is the most friendly wow class disc i’ve been in, thanks everyone you guys are awesome
unborn portal
bold bison
What do u guys do vs meleecleave lobbies?
Between kidney goes you need to take advantage of crippling and acrobatic strikes, it’s about doing maximum damage and maintaining dot uptime on both while not getting meleed. You can do stuff like shadowstepping around to their healer etc. also kite them away from your own healer while staying in line, makes you easier to heal
rain verge
How tf do you deal with monks
it's insane how much dmg they do, while healing
Talking about mistweavers ^^
hasty nebula
Between kidney goes you need to take advantage of crippling and acrobatic strike...
Ty!
I just have a hard time competing with their dmg as sub
I mean rupture does a lot but usually not enough 😉
languid ravine
you do realize be the only one who has reduction in stun is better thna having ...
the point is: stuns not as important -> stun reduction is not as important
but I didnt even know it currently does nothing with trinket set bonus and boots reduction 
and the thought process is fucking 5th grade maths what is there not to get
but I admit, there is a scenario where stuns become shorter AND more important at the same time so Orc might be op and we will all have so much fun playing max dampening full Orc lobbies every round
languid ravine
actually wrong again, if short stuns are important it will be a oneshot meta, even more fun!"
bold bison
I just have a hard time competing with their dmg as sub
Oh you’re playing sub? Try vanish shield into them, use shiv to slow, shadow step around, you can even duel the healer as a defensive CD
you can swap veiltouched for cloaked in shadows, also run cheat death instead of elusiveness
sly tangle
HELP - Anyone know if conquest gear can use revival catalyst to turn into DrakeBreaker's set?
potent pivot
HELP - Anyone know if conquest gear can use revival catalyst to turn into DrakeB...
that's only for turning it into tier set
sly tangle
so doing world quest is the only way to get drakebreaker?
i don't know how to find these pvp world quests
potent pivot
i don't know how to find these pvp world quests
you just go to the designated zone
and wpvp, do regular WQs and kill rares
look for trophies/sparks groups in LFG
there's usually one big spot that's kind of a war zone
sharp sierra
What would you all think that instead of them nerfing cc due to burst windows and such they just gave every spec and i mean everyone an interrupt including healers who didnt have one and a disarm
I think that would allow all to have better control of burst windows
unborn portal
and make all abilities in the game the same yep
sharp sierra
Lol
People dont realize that you cannot compensate a cc based class for these changes. If these go through, rogues are officially dead. There is legit zero reason to invite a rogue to anything pvp. Its just dead weight. The entire rogue population is going to quit or reroll.
Just my opinion but well see.
unborn portal
bold bison
Everyone with interrupt and every caster with precog would be insane
unborn portal
ngl if they changed the rogue class design people would lose their shit
bold bison
Every bad caster would die without doing any damage and every good caster would be perma CC immune bloodlusted gods of death
sharp sierra
Thats the only thing i can think of @unborn portal blizzard cant be this dumb knowing how this can affect rogues as a class. Either they plan on redesigning the entire class is based around or removing them from the game. Theres no other options
unborn portal
tho tbf
in the notes themselves
they said "this is to play test rogues NOT being able to sap after blind"
jolly sierra
bruh the s2 vicious mounts are snails xd
jolly sierra
i use the bear usually in bgs
jolly sierra
how tf u have a rooster
proven kayak
bro sometimes sub lobbys are very questionable
proven kayak
not wrong
tribal bay
How tf do you deal with monks
kite out of faeline stomp then stun them a lot
unborn portal
(faeline stomp is the ground effect that is purple/sparkles that looks like a tree)
sly tangle
HELP - Anyone know how I find world pvp quests on map? I need bloody tokens bad but i don't see these quest givers?
pale storm
2 are up each day, they are the world auests with the crossed swords
unborn portal
HELP - Anyone know how I find world pvp quests on map? I need bloody tokens bad ...
you also get bloody tokens just from doing wpvp
theres 2 really popular spots
some circle area in azure span (north-ish) cba to remember the name atm; you can get powerups or whatever, not a fan
and an island north of valdrakken
mainly when the pvp quest for the boss is there though
jolly sierra
(faeline stomp is the ground effect that is purple/sparkles that looks like a tr...
*blue cock
languid ravine
queue for 30 mins - play 3-3 - two of the losses is teammate dying 3 sec into the opener
fuck this game
unborn portal
im making healer alt for that reason
languid ravine
only problem with that is all the healclasses suck except priest, but then you are playing a priest
maybe shaman though 
yo where are the totem emotes or who is that "I was playing on my shaman the other day" guy emote
I DEMAND
jolly sierra
pevoker is crazy good
sly tangle
Can you guys help me find pvp world quest please? I need bloody tokens bad
This my in game map
languid ravine
its in a valley near algetha
unborn portal
Can you guys help me find pvp world quest please? I need bloody tokens bad
it should look like some swords crossed instead of a !
could be different zone atm
sly tangle
its in a valley near algetha
I flew near algetha but I don't find anything here
sly tangle
I am NA
unborn portal
sly tangle
there are no cross sword on my map
unborn portal
something like this
literally same map
wait is this your first 70
dont you have to unlock wpvp via story line
and quests n shit
sly tangle
I did this Extermination quest an hour ago, where can i find the next one?
tawny kestrel
u cant just continuously spam them
unborn portal
you get a bloody token even without the quest
you can just sit there and pvp
can form a group if you want to
actually if you form group I'll join u I need some on my alt lmao
sly tangle
I have warmode on, do you know when will the second pvp quest spawn?
scarlet shell
tawny kestrel
I have warmode on, do you know when will the second pvp quest spawn?
theres 2 per day
tawny kestrel
unironically think sub might be broken in 10.1
since cheap shot isnt nerfed so u can now do actual cheap shot rotation
which is a massive buff
overall i think rogue is not gonna suffer the most from the change
jolly sierra
what about crits?
harsh steppe
unironically think sub might be broken in 10.1
that's what i want to hear
tawny kestrel
what about crits?
will suck a bit ofc but its not that massive
jolly sierra
ah i see
tawny kestrel
being able to do cheap shot rotation will add more damage than the crit nerf takes away
the only real thing that changes is blind
obviously kidney is already 5.1 seconds
with 10% from trinket and 5% from crafted item
dont think rogue is gonna get fucked as much as people think
tawny kestrel
its the usual shit with rogue players
see something
instantly say its over unviable cant play
jolly sierra
but imo is still a mistake to fuck up ccs just cuz new players doesn't react well to them xd
tawny kestrel
no1 can know anything until its live
jolly sierra
what about testing in PTR?
tribal bay
what about testing in PTR?
not many people testing yet
jolly sierra
well, the patch has still a plenty of time in test
they are more pending for ret tho
wise breach
I don't see any meaningful PvP testing taking place on PTR tbh
They'll schedule a play the devs thing for a couple hours and that'll be that
It's hard to test PvP outside the live environment
jolly sierra
fuck then dunno what we can do tbh
wise breach
Test it out whenever they do schedule and provide feedback then, not much else
Unlike past expansions, they have been consistently making tuning changes and obviously want to improve PvP, if this doesn't work out, I fully believe they will adjust accordingly
tame nexus
Whats changing regarding Crit? I missed it
wise breach
Crits are going back to 150% in PvP
tame nexus
Aha thanks
languid ravine
I can only get 1 socket per week... right???
waxen meteor
I can only get 1 socket per week... right???
Yes
languid ravine
phew
would have been cringe to lose a bunch of sockets coz I was too lazy to do research xd
wise breach
Need to wait for future PTR patches to confirm, but the way it looks, I think we can save 3-4 sockets next season by making and socketing crafted gear during S1 and upgrading it to 450 in PvP in S2 using those new crafting reagents
Lets us get vers/mastery belt, bracers at max ilvl too
wise breach
Just wait until they also have a disarm in 10.1 🙂
I've been playing my surv hunter, it's so fun
jolly sierra
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
hope tomorrow if it takes one hour again at least doesn't match with a ww, a surv or a demo
sly tangle
Anyone know which dates I can pick great vault reward? is it monday only?
potent pivot
Anyone know which dates I can pick great vault reward? is it monday only?
You get new items every Tuesday (Wednesday if EU iirc)
If you want to wait to pick a reward you can wait and pick it whenever
Vault rewards also stack so they will never be overwritten
tribal bay
I've been playing my surv hunter, it's so fun
are they doing well atm?
ik jellybeans does well with it but last time i was watching him he was saying how it's hard to fit into most comps in SS as surv
wise breach
BM probably works with more 3s comps, but I'm just doing 2s and shuffle
paper hornet
htez u in here oce trash?
unborn portal
I would love for secret tech to get nerfed and we play old gameplay 
I dont like sec tec but its not going away prolly
but ya nerfs happen and everyone acts like sky is falling
tribal bay
I would love for secret tech to get nerfed and we play old gameplay <a:NoIdeaWha...
evis doesnt do enough damage
to nerf tech
unborn portal
I think the most important thing to remember is the notes said "this is to playtest rogues not being able to sap after blind" its not saying 100% getting rid of it; its just unprecedented
ye
Im aware
dull bridge
just make blind deal 1 damage per second
it makes sense, homie has dust in his eyes
problem solved
plucky sage
Vault rewards also stack so they will never be overwritten
Oo didn't know that
potent pivot
htez u in here oce trash?
harsh steppe
what are the most important keybind/s to have near each other?
plucky sage
what are the most important keybind/s to have near each other?
That's entirely up to you really. But I like grouping offensive CDs near each other
harsh steppe
good idea
plucky sage
Like symbols and shadowblades are often pressed together so made them close to each other
harsh steppe
where do you have cheap shot & shuriken storm bound?
plucky sage
Cheap shot is on spam ability in stealth
So backstab and cheap shot share one
I don't use shuriken storm
harsh steppe
ohhh i think there is a slight lag delay when switching bars i believe, but i can put them near each other that's a good idea
harsh steppe
I don't use shuriken storm
what do you use to get energy?
plucky sage
Well you never need to press backstab during dance or stealth
So don't need it on stealth bar
Shadowstrike is 1 cheap shot/backstab is 2
plucky sage
what do you use to get energy?
I didn't know it gave energy thought it was a PvE thing and I play outlaw in pve
E is eviscerate q is rupture
3 is fan of knives, 4 is sectec
harsh steppe
oh nice, mine are similar
what's your shift e & shift q?
plucky sage
Shift Q is shadowblades, shift e is symbols
So I can press shift q shift e together, and then easy to reach the rest of the rotation
harsh steppe
tysm great tips
harsh steppe
ooo i like that one a lot
harsh steppe
what about crimson vial
plucky sage
That way I don't have to think about it too much
plucky sage
what about crimson vial
Alt+2
All defensives for me are alt something
Alt+ 123qe
Easy to reach
And hard to press by accident
harsh steppe
tysm ❤️
plucky sage
Np
The only problem is
I put sap gouge on the same buttons. So in Stealth sap and out of stealth gouge. The problem is I can't gouge during dance, but it's not a major problem
harsh steppe
the biggest issues im having atm is having dance on F & cheap shot on 1, since i need those together often it's hindering me a bit, but you gave me some great ideas
oh & shuriken storm is great for getting full cp very fast, but i have it on f1, so i need to move that somewhere close too i think
plucky sage
the biggest issues im having atm is having dance on F & cheap shot on 1, since i...
Yeah I mean, I should find a spot for storm I guess. But you only use it on 3 targets right?
My kidney is F
harsh steppe
no you can use it on 2
plucky sage
I have cc in that sector so it's all easy to reach but also out of the way of rotation
Dance for me is shift 1
harsh steppe
what's your focus cheap shot?
plucky sage
Then I can easily 1 for shadowstrike and 2 for cheap shot
harsh steppe
oooo i like dance on your shift 1
plucky sage
what's your focus cheap shot?
Should be shift 2 but tbh I just tab target cheap shot
plucky sage
Should be shift 2 but tbh I just tab target cheap shot
(should be* based on my focus logic)
harsh steppe
yah i have focus cheap shot & like 6 other focus macro binds but tbh i only use focus kidney and focus dismantle atm
plucky sage
Yeah I have focus for kidney, blind, sap, gouge, and kick
And step
But all shift of their binds so easy to remember
harsh steppe
lol yah fuck ctrl
plucky sage
i think you just solved all my problems
Kek
harsh steppe
my brain is a bit smol so i think i need to lower my focus macros & just use the really important ones
plucky sage
I spent a lot of time working through the logic of it, kept coming quitting and coming back to wow with old keybinds that just felt wonky
So sat and reworked everything into a logical process and multiclassing is now super easy, everyone has things that do similar shit on similar binds
harsh steppe
yep i do the same
plucky sage
Bar a few exceptions but overall easy to setup a new alt
harsh steppe
alts? what does that word mean? 🤣
plucky sage
my brain is a bit smol so i think i need to lower my focus macros & just use the...
Yeah well one thing I was told was to just bind what I can deal with and work the other stuff in later
harsh steppe
good idea yah i need to do that
magic mason
Hello,
What is the best spe for pvp (bg or 2v2) ?
Ty 🙂
plucky sage
Hello,
What is the best spe for pvp (bg or 2v2) ?
Ty 🙂
For 2v2 don't bother if it's to play double dps
plucky sage
Bg sub or assa
Sub is more fun for me in BG
But assa works fine
Outlaw is meh, damage just doesn't cut it most of the time
magic mason
Thanks 🙏🏼 !
gritty sphinx
How come having full conq gear isn't as good as having full blue gear?
harsh steppe
? it is much better, much better stats
the only blue piece you may want is the blue mastery ring, for more mastery
night olive
what do you use to get energy?
Assuming you meant combo points here?
harsh steppe
oh woops! yep that's what i meant
i mean i know the skills that give energy, just wasn't sure what he used specifically to get a lot of cp fast, since he said he doesn't use shuriken storm
night olive
Cool cool, just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing out on energy 😛
gritty sphinx
I see people in SS with 1.4K+ smashing the dps in blue gear
more than I see people in conq gear doing
it's shit
harsh steppe
faint vessel
As a sub in wpvp I struggle against hunters with pets… how do you deal with them?
bold bison
is solo shuffle bugged in EU? I've queued for 1.5 hours, got 3 lobbies and each of them ended before first round
harsh steppe
should i be using black powder at all in arena?
bold bison
should i be using black powder at all in arena?
literally never
harsh steppe
ok just making sure ty
bold bison
you shouldn't have it talented in any build
harsh steppe
tyty
jolly sierra
is solo shuffle bugged in EU? I've queued for 1.5 hours, got 3 lobbies and each ...
nah, just ended 2-4 xd
next time i'll go rsham or hpal after they using their resources
as kill target
harsh steppe
which should i be using until i upgrade my db belt?
bold bison
I waited 3 hours for my first lobby
1-5 into arms/feral/BM
Priest did not press 1 dome, or 1 swap for 6 rounds
twin burrow
I know that priest his name is midnightpoke he's actually a YouTuber doing a challenge no swaps to elite
plucky sage
i mean i know the skills that give energy, just wasn't sure what he used specifi...
Ah wait I thought you were talking about the aoe finisher
Yes I use shuriken combo builder, it's bound to 3
harsh steppe
ah ok tyty
plucky sage
which should i be using until i upgrade my db belt?
Is that the last piece of conq you need? Drakebreaker is easy to upgrade, you can do it Wednesday
harsh steppe
i don't need anymore conq, i just need my db belt upgraded & my db bracers
harsh steppe
which?
plucky sage
Otherwise buy outlaw stuff
harsh steppe
oh im sub
harsh steppe
nah
plucky sage
Or save the conquest for new season stuff idk
harsh steppe
ah ok
ok ill use the conq belt for now until i upgrade my db belt, ty
how do i upgrade it? seems so complicated
plucky sage
Upgrade dB?
Or what
NPC to the right of honour vendor
Otherside of PvP dummy
Just talk to them, click the + sign
harsh steppe
sorry i meant this
i googled it and i think i get it from a sparks quest? but i don't have that quest at the npc it shows me on wowhead 😕
plucky sage
Hmm
You should have it
Do Valdrakken intro quests maybe
Jus take all quests in the target dummy room
harsh steppe
i haven't done the val quests on my rogue, just my main, but i finished the story
plucky sage
The NPC for turn in is not the same as the NPC that gives it. Also just join a sparks + 25 kills group in group finder and ask them to share it
harsh steppe
how many trophies do i get for each weekly sparks quest?
plucky sage
i haven't done the val quests on my rogue, just my main, but i finished the stor...
Then you should be fine but maybe the open oritentation: Valdrakken one that makes you visit all the important npcs
Idk
8 per week
Only takes 2 weeks to upgrade chest belt and bracers
faint vessel
The NPC for turn in is not the same as the NPC that gives it. Also just join a s...
I do this solo lol 😂 I wait until someone close to dying and kill steal and run away
plucky sage
No man just find a damn group why punish yourself
faint vessel
Adrenaline rush
Are points wasted in haste (alacrity) its a two point spend to get a second dance not sure if a second dance is worth it in pvp?
pale storm
I feel like easiest way is just wait until there a pvp quests up in the zone, they give 25 sparks upon completion, you can do drake races for 10 sparks, looting assassins is like 15 sparks I think, supply drops, or just join a group and farm 1 spark per kill - but for solo play, I just wait for the world quests
bold bison
i googled it and i think i get it from a sparks quest? but i don't have that que...
do you have war mode on?
gritty sphinx
Anyone using gloomblade build in SS?
plucky sage
do you have war mode on?
Good call, that's step 1 of course xD
Haven't had warmode off since forever so didn't even think of that
wicked rampart
copper maple
I wish soloq would give closer lobbies in terms of rating. I'd rather sit a longer queue than go 4-2 and gain 0 rating (or lose rating going any worse than 4-2).
How do people even manage to climb
stuff like this
potent pivot
stuff like this
Everyone’s mmr in that match is pretty darn close
supple spade
I wish soloq would give closer lobbies in terms of rating. I'd rather sit a long...
your mmr is lower than your cr, which means that you lost your previous game pretty hard
after this game now, your mmr and cr will be the same
so if you go 4-2 you should get like +50
bold bison
Anyone using gloomblade build in SS?
no but I've been considering going ST raid build for solo and playing like I'm Assa to see how the damage looks
ahead of 10.1
potent pivot
plucky sage
Oof. I have sap/gouge on the same keybind, even though of course it would be nice to have them separate in case I want to gouge some off target during dance.
Bicmex you playing some rogue?
copper maple
so if you go 4-2 you should get like +50
Didn't happen though 😄
copper maple
Everyone’s mmr in that match is pretty darn close
But cr isn't. I don't have the screenshot of it, but can be calculated from this one if needed.
copper maple
also do you have cheap shot and kidney shot on the same keybind
It's kidney with shift, cheap shot with no modifiers.
supple spade
Didn't happen though 😄
no but
your mmr was lower than your cr
so now that you went 4-2
wicked scroll
nah
thats not how it works bicmex
lol
if you win more than you lose = gain rating
supple spade
your mmr and cr are the same
SO NOW
if you go 4-2
you will go up
this 4-2 only made it so you didn't go negative
because if you have less mmr than cr
you would have gotten - for going 3-3
modern rose
Hello
modern rose
you would have gotten - for going 3-3
This is interesting can i ever get rating if i go 2-4 ?
supple spade
yes billy!
if your mmr is way higher than your cr (for example, if you're on a big winning streak)
then you can even gain rating by going 1-5
wicked scroll
but sometimes i lose rating when i go 5-1
modern rose
Wait that is fantastic news! Thank you for the quick reply ❤️
copper maple
To me it looks like it depends on everyone's cr.
If you're the lowest in the lobby, you can gain with 2-4.
Which also happened to me a couple times
supple spade
no it's just based on your own personal mmr
copper maple
By your logic you can go on a winning streak and keep climbing even if you go 1-5 one game.
So if you're on a losing streak, you're extra screwed.
supple spade
yeah, that's how it works
you get punished for doing bad
and rewarded for doing good
if you go 0-6 2 times in a row
your mmr will now be WAY lower than your cr
so even if you go like
6-0 next game
you'll be getting +0 still
or maybe like +10
copper maple
I'll see what's my mmr now if I get a game
potent pivot
But cr isn't. I don't have the screenshot of it, but can be calculated from this...
Yes but that’s what mmr is
It’s your match making value
jolly sierra
how sleeping does affect my pvp performance? yesterday slept 2 hours and this night just 5
copper maple
So next game I've got I was 1518 mmr with 1521 cr. Gained 47 cr for 4-2 game in a lobby like that. Not sure what to take from it.
