pvp

[proven kayak]

I dont like play mirror matches

[jolly sierra]

literal the dmg was just tickles

[proven kayak]

So I play the least picked spec between sub and assa

But with ssr that's not a thing

[jolly sierra]

tbh i like solo shuffle

more than regular arena

[proven kayak]

Same

[jolly sierra]

to be an experiment, is going well tho

[proven kayak]

Trying to find the noon boosted healer or mage was too much effort

[edgy onyx]

can anyone send me a code for assassin solo shuffle?

or is that pinned one still good

[jolly sierra]

agree, 2s was literal the glad boost bracket and 3s is just dead

[potent pivot]

the ones if the FAQ should still be good, you can check murlok.io to see what's popular also

[jolly sierra]

and now we have gatekeepers

so fuck it, i just play shuffle now

[edgy onyx]

i likeshuffle but i literally die waiting in que so ive only played like 40 rounds in like a month and a half

adhd be like

NO WAIT PLAY NOW

[vocal surge]

I find it funny how people in the forum wants solo shuffle to die out

[proven kayak]

BMQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFEtkIJISSJBAAAAAAQCASCAAAAAAgUCBtkQSSSKpkkQCJRSCA

[vocal surge]

When it has the most inflation out of all the Rated brackets

Sure its zug zug city

[jolly sierra]

just 40? OOF

[vocal surge]

but I rather have that over waiting +2 days to maybe play 5 games

before the partner I find DCs for 1 loss

[jolly sierra]

is funny af than solo shuffle is being affected by artificial inflation

[proven kayak]

Same

[jolly sierra]

so u literal can sit for some weeks and get free mmr

[proven kayak]

Every boosted ape leaves after 1 loss even if it was his mistake

[vocal surge]

I had that healer

that was carried by Fury Warriors

[jolly sierra]

well, if u win against that ape in the 1st match u win the mmr

[vocal surge]

not press Shadow Word Death that could've won the game

so many times

[jolly sierra]

the problem is if u lose w him tho

[vocal surge]

after having the enemy outlaw team on their knees

[proven kayak]

Well your rating doesn't count if you got it as a holy priest at sl or as a dh in early df

[jolly sierra]

and they are the most toxic ironically

[vocal surge]

Aye

[jolly sierra]

the fkn healers

saying U FKN BAD HOW TF U DONT POSITION URSELF

[proven kayak]

Healers are most toxic players I played this week and flamed me round 1 and won all 5 after

[jolly sierra]

GG BAD TEAM

yeah is hilarious

just blaming everyone but them

[edgy onyx]

thanks 🙂

[proven kayak]

He literally said nice damage while I was sub in a lobby with frost mage ele destro and boomie

[edgy onyx]

i got into a lobby and immediately someone goes "this rogue looks iffy" lol

[proven kayak]

People are just dumb and they only want easy rating

Like it matters if you get rating of passing 3 buttons

Most of ppl are mad cus more people can link achievements now from pvp

And they lost the boosted privilege

[jolly sierra]

one of the priest in my shuffle rounds was amused cuz i was using gouge to troll the healing

[wicked rampart]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-season-2-rogue-tier-set-tints-in-patch-10-1-embers-of-neltharion-331794?webhook

[jolly sierra]

not complained for my dmg, which was shit cuz i was going between healer and dotting dps

the other dps did the job lol

[worldly girder]

I read all the shuffle hate messages and don't respond to them, I stare at my monitor like the frontal pepe stare emote

[jolly sierra]

that is the good point about shiffle

shuffle, no boosters

[worldly girder]

Sometimes getting shit on in chat is a good learning experience tho. Had a glad mw yell at me cuz I wasnt walling early enough on my lock. I'd pop it at 60% after I lost so much hp

[jolly sierra]

we need more comments like this instead flaming the dps

[worldly girder]

Those moments feel good too hahaha

[jolly sierra]

yeah, shit happens

but sometimes is not that constructive tbh xd

im watching ptr rog talent tree

literal intact for 10.1 for now

the only big change is dagger in the dark

the real question is

now we have crafted items pvp scaled for that patch, which stuff will be bis?

a crafted ring?

[edgy onyx]

i join a 2s listed for pushing 1.8k and the dude is these stats and when i ask if he can disc instead of shadow so i can play comfier but im fine with shadow he just logs off instead LOL

how do i find someone to push rating, the only people playing are these 39% winrate people 😦

[jolly sierra]

just go shuffle

2s is dead

[edgy onyx]

the raid boss is too strong for me to handle

10-20 min ques

and nothing to do while i wait :<

[jolly sierra]

F

try farming plants tho

[edgy onyx]

herbalism?

i guess that works my alt is an alch i just havent done profs on this toon yet

[jolly sierra]

and mining if u can

so u can get gold

while u wait

oh look

[worldly girder]

Just realized they didn't touch cheap shot or gouge

[tribal bay]

yes

exactly

[worldly girder]

Might be a net postivie for sub

[tribal bay]

yes

some crit damage shaved off secret technique

not a big deal.

[worldly girder]

Can actually fit a global between 2nd and 3rd cheap

[tribal bay]

yup

[worldly girder]

If they buff agi from the trinket bonus, we might be chilling if we can get chunk evis again

[jolly sierra]

and is an indirect buff

to cs

and gouge

cuz u won't have cc reduction anymore

[worldly girder]

Even without tech I feel like dance windows are spicy with shadow strikes and evis

I'm getting hyped, let's hope blizz doesn't Nerf gouge and cheap

Also hope they nerf hardiness cuz everyone's gonna go bakc to orc I think

[jolly sierra]

imo they should compensate the set bonus with a dmg reduction instead

[tribal bay]

tech trucks without cold blood anyway

[jaunty mirage]

gouge is gonna be a big cc now similar to like wrath

[tribal bay]

it doesnt even need to crit to do big damage

[worldly girder]

I think that's what the stam bonus is for. Which I prefer cuz healers can't Insta top outta nowhere and gives larger windows for execute mechanics

I love gouge, pre ordered DF right away when I saw it on the tree during beta hahaha

[jolly sierra]

get used to gouge guys

[worldly girder]

I was already playing it on sin cuz it felt gross playing without it

[jolly sierra]

i love it

u troll a lot w that

[worldly girder]

Yeha exactly lol

[jolly sierra]

shadowstep jumping, turning 180 degree and gouge healer like in vanilla when u don't have blind

[worldly girder]

Getting a win from a cheeky micro always feels so good

[tribal bay]

same

[jolly sierra]

i get free wins w that too

if i need more seconds i use racial

[tribal bay]

way too useful to not take as any spec

[jolly sierra]

underrated talent

but btw that is the method to micro cc w gouge

cuz it requires to go in front to use

[graceful ravine]

cc nerf with Crit nerf means dampen meta where teams win on mana

Kick nerfed and every caster gets precog

Destro/rDruid/X will be toxic

[jolly sierra]

sounds amazing for assa or aff tho

if we get back for damp meta

[graceful ravine]

no way assa will be good for s2

Blizz won’t allow it

[jolly sierra]

maybe they won't notice

at start

but

[graceful ravine]

Last 2 awc seasons full of rogues

They won’t allow a 3rd

[jolly sierra]

isn't destro affected by crit reduction too?

[graceful ravine]

Ppl complain too much

[jolly sierra]

that will happen, ppl hate us

[graceful ravine]

yea but caster cleaves with locks is really good in dampening

[vocal surge]

I honestly would say Sub or Sin are gonna be meta again lol

is there any set bonuses announced?

[jolly sierra]

sub dunno w cc reductions

and crit

but assa will shine if they doesn't do anything

[vocal surge]

rn Outlaw is gonna be in a worse spot lol

[jolly sierra]

well, almost always is the meme spec xd

[vocal surge]

even with our S3/4 stats (+30% crit and vers w. +15% haste), it just doesn't do damage

It has potential which is the sad part lol

Just gets cucked by its PvE buffs and nerfs

[jolly sierra]

maybe will get ninja buffs

[sharp sierra]

funny people on reddit saying oh dont worry they'll buff those hit hardest with cc nerfs with damage to compensate lol not likely when they're aiming for lower burst meta

i have no idea how theyre going to compensate rogues for this

[vocal surge]

^

[sharp sierra]

not sure if anyone watched pika's stream

feels like he wants to quit but doesn't want to say

dude's been playing rogue since beginning

[graceful ravine]

This is his life, he ain’t gonna quit lmao

[jolly sierra]

what did pikaboo said?

[vocal surge]

^

[sharp sierra]

he's not happy about it at all but was speechless

literally kept say i have no idea how to respond to these changes

nahj didn't take it well either lol

[jolly sierra]

bad sign then

[graceful ravine]

Nahj doesn’t take anything we’ll

[sharp sierra]

pika spent half his stream just starring at his character screen

[jolly sierra]

bruh

[graceful ravine]

Rogues could get 50% buff and nahj still says it sucks

[sharp sierra]

did you read his post in the forums?

[jolly sierra]

like this?

[graceful ravine]

Link it

[vocal surge]

link the stream

[sharp sierra]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-pvp-updates-in-embers-of-neltharion/1541381/8

that's nahj's reply

he does have valid points tbh

[waxen meteor]

damn opened the day with 0-6

[jolly sierra]

at least u didn't got the devoker, DI demo and ele lol

[waxen meteor]

well i think i play not bad but just 0-6

[potent pivot]

at least he makes a lot of good and informative feedback

[waxen meteor]

plenty of cc, and no death

[graceful ravine]

His post is good

[waxen meteor]

and also good dmg even

[graceful ravine]

Mainly referring to his general demeanor

[potent pivot]

yeah i feel you

[jolly sierra]

try again, you are not done yet

[potent pivot]

but at least he puts that into positive energy, or at least productiveness

[jolly sierra]

i was in streak and took that literal as "go to sleep for today lol"

like a punish

[potent pivot]

he doesn't just doom and gloom and shit post

[jolly sierra]

at least didn't whined like cdew

the real question is, will he be heard as R1 by blizz?

[vocal surge]

Prob not

[jolly sierra]

cuz seems like the company is hearing noobs instead

[graceful ravine]

Can blizz hear noobs and put mount in shuffles!?

[harsh steppe]

how bad are these nerfs, really though? my dream has always been to one day hit 3k on a toon, even if it takes years… are there even going to be 3k subs if all these nerfs go through? is everyone overreacting or are we all really that fucked?

[jolly sierra]

we need to buy the noobs

to make them talk lol

[potent pivot]

it's going to feel pretty shitty for those of us whom have been playing rogue for a long time.

when the game first came out blind was like twice as long as this.

[waxen meteor]

well the game should listen to both middle class and r1s

[vocal surge]

Blizzard should be listening to both the noob and pro community (1:1), just looking at what is causing problems in the lower brackets

[waxen meteor]

listen to noobs is dumb

but r1 players are still too rare in term of populations

[vocal surge]

Because if they listen to the noob community too much, it'll be really pepega balancing

[waxen meteor]

and the gap with normal players is too big to understand game in same level

[vocal surge]

and if they listen to the pro players too much, the skill gap is going to be too big

[waxen meteor]

yeah

It's the middle class and r1s

[vocal surge]

GTFO had this problem and I dont want this issue to happen in WoW

[waxen meteor]

filter out noobs that exist everywhere on internet

they think they are important but they are not

arena doesn't serve only for top 0.5% players

[jolly sierra]

noobs are way too unrealistic

[waxen meteor]

but if you are too bad to play, the balance won't matter for you as well

yeah noobs should be ignored

[jolly sierra]

cuz they are just watching the top of the iceberg

in rating

now blizz seems to turn into a most ppl pleaser

literal take mass reports as bans

[dull bridge]

noobs only opinion is parroting shit they hear from their favorite streamer

[jolly sierra]

or common 90% no serious stuff as relevant

[waxen meteor]

please more people isn't wrong.

but you need to guide noob to play better, not adapt game to noobs

[jolly sierra]

the question is what are they pleasing

[waxen meteor]

and you need to listen to majority of mid class for better exp.

[jolly sierra]

cuz ccs is what makes pvp complex

[waxen meteor]

and you listen to top players for ultimate design

[jolly sierra]

if they whine about that instead adapting

then we are doomed

[dull bridge]

wow is really bad at this

[jolly sierra]

yeah, hear mid class, like hardstuck1k6 ppl

they played enough

to have their word

but the 250 cr w 300 matches done won't tell you any serious

cuz they are not realizing anything

and yeah, they exist

not for being elitist, but how u said, hearing 100% the noobs will ruin future pvp

sadly they are the most community rn xd

[waxen meteor]

it's for everything

on this planet

filter out the voices that don't matter

[tribal bay]

it was also on a 5 minute CD lmao

[waxen meteor]

like you cannot discuss how universe works with primary school student

[jolly sierra]

what if those kids said is way too complex and they straight remove it from books?

[tribal bay]

listening to noobs is dumb but you even see rank 1s complaining about the CC thing

[sharp sierra]

what blows my mind is 2 things:

1. why is blind 2 minutes still if 5 sec only
2. why would you waste a CP on kidney for 5 secs when CS is wayy better now

[tribal bay]

watch lontars stream one night

when hes trying to heal

[waxen meteor]

wait, what's happening?

[jolly sierra]

relax leaf, those are the 1st wave of changes

[waxen meteor]

is this some news i missed

[tribal bay]

and hes just getting chained by every CC in the game on separate DRs

[sharp sierra]

yea

[waxen meteor]

they are going to make blind 5s and kidney 5s?

[jolly sierra]

maybe cd will be reduced too if it stays

[tribal bay]

yes

[sharp sierra]

yep

[tribal bay]

its on the 10.1 PTR now

[waxen meteor]

omfg

[tribal bay]

but i dont think 5 second blind will stay

[sharp sierra]

pretty much

[waxen meteor]

if it happens i quit

[tribal bay]

it will get increased to 6 i think

[jolly sierra]

dude that is the reason we are discussing here lol

[sharp sierra]

tarny: already unsubbed

[waxen meteor]

no joke

[sharp sierra]

lol

[tribal bay]

they nerfed every CC in the game @waxen meteor

[uneven grove]

tbh if top players would design pvp it would be utterly shit

[tribal bay]

go on wowhead and read

[waxen meteor]

yeah it's like Michael Jordan coaching bastketball

[potent pivot]

barely mattered

[waxen meteor]

Dude, why do you pass, only 3 people guarding you

Just jump, and shoot when others fall on the ground

[jolly sierra]

cdew deleting rogues

[tribal bay]

he doesnt agree with this

[waxen meteor]

may i have a portal

[tribal bay]

none of the content creators do

[jolly sierra]

i know, even he said was excessive

[tribal bay]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/dragonflight-embers-of-neltharion-ptr-development-notes-1541379

[worldly girder]

Just realized that these changes are an indirect buff to pandaren

[tribal bay]

with their racial?

their racial sucks

[jolly sierra]

cmon rich boy buy noobs opinion and make them say constructive stuff

[worldly girder]

Yeah

[jolly sierra]

hewwo

[tribal bay]

i still dont think its going to be good

[uneven grove]

i have to go pandaren on my monk, it's way to classy anyway

[tribal bay]

the way the PTR is right now

[waxen meteor]

wow if they want to change it to 5s blind and 5s kid

[tribal bay]

if you arent orc

[worldly girder]

Maybe not for rogue cuz of gouge plus nelf is op

[waxen meteor]

what's the purpose of having pvp

[jolly sierra]

u have free versa food for rated

[waxen meteor]

just do more zug zug

[worldly girder]

But it might be solid for some other classes

[jolly sierra]

and a gouge which cleans everything and works from back

[tribal bay]

you can blind into gouge

it wont stay 5 seconds

thats ridiculous

[worldly girder]

Blind into gouge into kidney is still gonna be a solid 14s of cc

[tribal bay]

if mage gets 6 second poly and 6 second ring of frost

[worldly girder]

I still think it should be 6s at least for sub

I was surprised too to see it that low

[tribal bay]

we get 6 second blind and 6 second sap

[worldly girder]

It's the same duration as monk para now lmao

[tribal bay]

which is on a 20 second CD

with talent

[worldly girder]

Yeah

[jolly sierra]

guy what about us infiltrating in forums as noobs and complain to fix everything lol

[tribal bay]

play PTR

and post on PTR forum

[potent pivot]

[worldly girder]

Just don't post from a rogue character, forums have a bit of a bias against them hahaha

[jolly sierra]

agree, i need to post as a warrior

[worldly girder]

Or mage, they know we're all in cahoots

[potent pivot]

the more complaints they see that are thoroughly worded and well thought out, the better our chances that the changes are edited or not made

[sharp sierra]

I said it once and i'll say it again. The devs can't be this dumb. they are purposely sabotaging pvp out of the game. its pve or gtfo

[worldly girder]

Yeha post as a gigazug class like warr or sham or something

[tribal bay]

not at all

[jolly sierra]

holinka is dumb af

[sharp sierra]

lol

[tribal bay]

they're trying to make it more accessible to noobs

[jolly sierra]

since a lot of time ppl asked to fire him, dissapeared

then reappeared

[tribal bay]

so people keep playing the game

[sharp sierra]

by making it zugzug?

[jolly sierra]

and is w this

[tribal bay]

yes

[sharp sierra]

thats just dumb

[worldly girder]

Stupid sexy holinka with his big muscles

[tribal bay]

its not dumb its a business move

the more accessible it is to the average person the longer someone stays subbed

[worldly girder]

I do agree that some of the changes aren't bad tbh, cheap and gouge are technically buffed from these changes

[jolly sierra]

https://www.wowhead.com/es/npc=85698/brian-holinka#english-comments

here ur responsible

[tribal bay]

if you're shit at wow arena and getting chained CC'd you just stop paying to play the game

[worldly girder]

Blind is jsut too low for its cd. If they make it 90s it'd be fine though

[tribal bay]

make it 45 seconds

not 90

[jolly sierra]

if u are playing classic and whining about cc chains in retail then u didn't got it

[worldly girder]

For 5s duration I don't even disagree

2min for a 5s cd is demented

Cc*

[tribal bay]

one thing im surprised about

[worldly girder]

Always healers that stand in the middle of the lap map eating cc for free that complain

[tribal bay]

is the kick duration was given to PvE players as well

idk if any of you have done much m+ this season

but you literally need that duration

because of how overtuned everything is spamming 1000 spells at once

[worldly girder]

Pve mob spells don't have an icd when kicked?

[jolly sierra]

does kick matter? i thought after that npc instacasts again

[tribal bay]

they dont?>

[worldly girder]

I thought mobs stop trying to cast the spell if they get kicked for a bit

[tribal bay]

i thought it was the same as a player

[jolly sierra]

some are stubborn

[tribal bay]

they get spell locked

[jolly sierra]

and casts again

[tribal bay]

maybe they dont im not sure

[worldly girder]

That's what the post said, they said there's an internal timer

But some spells keep going

I think they said they'll monitor it

[sharp sierra]

i miss ghostcrawler

😦

legacy players will remember that name

used to hate on him so much but he was prob the best dev since then

[jolly sierra]

he left riot already

[vocal surge]

Best game designer

[tribal bay]

they need to fix thiefs bargain too

[sharp sierra]

^

[vocal surge]

Also

can we talk about how rogue hasn't received really good pvp talent changes

[jolly sierra]

veil of midnight too

or control is king

[vocal surge]

Is Control is King bugged?

[worldly girder]

Big PvP talent revamp soon, hopefully they fix some of these rogue talents

[jolly sierra]

no, but is shitty

[vocal surge]

Fair

[dull bridge]

hasn't nightstalker been bugged for the longest time

[tribal bay]

thiefs bargain would be sick if it worked

yes

it has

[jolly sierra]

think about wound poison resetting

[dull bridge]

they removed bunch of pvp talents

[vocal surge]

For me, I find these pvp talents underwhelming for Outlaw
Veil of Midnight
Drink Up Me Hearties
Thick as Thieves
Take your Cut
Boarding Party
Death from Above

[dull bridge]

most likely new ones are coming

drink is pretty good actually

[tribal bay]

death from above sucks for all the specs

pshero plays it sometimes tho

idk why

[dull bridge]

DFA is just a meme

[jolly sierra]

death from above is funny

and can works well sometimes

[vocal surge]

I used to use DFA in SLs

in the 1950s bracket

[jolly sierra]

it bypasses cc

[dull bridge]

you can use it to immune stuff if you time it right

[tribal bay]

yeah true

[dull bridge]

and a bit of added mobility

[vocal surge]

but it does so little damage rn that its not worth swapping out for something like Disarm or Maneuverability

[dull bridge]

but not really worth it

[waxen meteor]

ok got a 4-1

[potent pivot]

dfa is fun to mess around with tbh

[waxen meteor]

with one tie

fuck those tie games in solo

[potent pivot]

it has been quite good in the past

[waxen meteor]

so bad

[jolly sierra]

and a 10% more dmg from a blue combo is just 10/10 would cum

[waxen meteor]

and how is possible i run into 4 glad mounts in 2 solos today

[jolly sierra]

u hit lottery

[vocal surge]

Veil of Midnight is so bad, the buff expires before the enemy reacts

[dull bridge]

thick as thieves is also really good imo

[waxen meteor]

some with the r1 title even!!

[vocal surge]

and even if they did react, classes like Monk or Warrior can bypass it

with their stuns

[jolly sierra]

2s is not enough

[vocal surge]

Thick as Thieves also feels unrewarding to play ironically lol

[jolly sierra]

if will be that short then just make it work in back

[vocal surge]

Should also affect you at least

Sure its a free press a button walk away key

[waxen meteor]

so thursday becomes a bad day to play as well

[vocal surge]

but if your playing with a healer, no real reason to use it

[waxen meteor]

man i got a round, both teammates pulled out the same glad mount

i was like

wtf

exact same one

fuck

[dull bridge]

veil is horrendous
take your cut and control are on the brink of being ok
boarding party is a fun concept but MS isn't really worth talenting for

[jolly sierra]

happens to me too

[vocal surge]

Boarding Party for is me extremely niche and situational

[jolly sierra]

and u are like "look at my pretty matching mount lol"

[vocal surge]

its only good to use next to wheelchair teammates

outside of that, its never really used

[jolly sierra]

nah at least we can agree most talents are shit

in pvp

and we are stuck in the common ones (manuv/disarm/smoke bomb)

[vocal surge]

Make Dismantle baseline pog?

We're just forced to use it vs melee

why not baseline it

[jolly sierra]

dunno

[vocal surge]

also yeesh

Sub rogue's pvp talents are bad lol

[jolly sierra]

at least they left decent dagger in the dark w the rework kek

[potent pivot]

don't think that base lining a purely pvp ability is worthwhile tbh

[vocal surge]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

every dismantle in the game is a pvp talent afaik

[vocal surge]

Dagger in the Dark rework is partially in

for Sin and Outlaw

[jolly sierra]

12% more dmg during 10s is very good tho

[dull bridge]

yeah it's too good to baseline

[jolly sierra]

then make manuv baseline

[vocal surge]

Yee

Dagger in the Dark for Sin and Law

[tribal bay]

shadowy duel is clutch

and thiefs bargain would be skits if it worked

[vocal surge]

doesnt g et removed on the first ambush

but when the debuff expires

Yee

But in general, there doesn't seem to be good talents in Sub's tree

outside of the same ones

Shadowy Duel, Smoke Bomb, Dismantle, Maneuverability

[waxen meteor]

what?

[jolly sierra]

i say, pallies are getting unbound freedom in talents

so why not manuv?

[waxen meteor]

i think sub tree has many good ones

we don't have enough talent point is the problem..

[tribal bay]

yeah

[waxen meteor]

tbh just 2-3 more talent points, sub is king

[tribal bay]

yup

[waxen meteor]

imagine doing both ST and Rupture build

[vocal surge]

also while we're on talent points

[tribal bay]

and the left side of tree you sink so many points into utter garbage to get invigorating shadowdust

[vocal surge]

give us free shiv or blind lol

[tribal bay]

you can do that

[vocal surge]

Arms Warrior gets both Defensive Stance and Battle Stance for free

[tribal bay]

you literally just do the pve talent build

[waxen meteor]

Yeah then you auto die

[jolly sierra]

we are untouched in that patch atm

maybe will get something soon

[tribal bay]

how?

[waxen meteor]

single step no shield of vanish?

[tribal bay]

u get double step

no vanish shield

[waxen meteor]

pve build doesn't have double step, but anyway, you need to sacrifice a lot

[tribal bay]

and no step range

pve build takes improved shuriken storm

you just swap that for step

obv u use some common sense and dont copy the import string

but u can mostly copy the pve talent build with a few minor adjustments

[waxen meteor]

no i get you

but those talents are really important else where than dmg

[tribal bay]

i think step range should be baseline

or double step for sub

and we can put the point we usually put in double step for step range

[waxen meteor]

the thing is sub is just capped by talent point

just 2-3 points, you sort of get everything

[tribal bay]

yeah

its aids br

bro

in PvE as well

so fkn aids man

the whole left side of tree sucks

sinking so many points into symbols talents just to get to CDR

symbols isnt even that good

[potent pivot]

the entire point of talent trees is to make meaningful decisions, not get everything

you give up survivability or utility for damage, or vise versa, etc

[waxen meteor]

sure

but sub is so close to get it

tbh even 1 point

[tribal bay]

sub needs 1 point

so you can take gloomblade without sacrificing anything

then it would feel really good

[potent pivot]

i think they mentioned giving everyone an extra point at some point in DF

but i could be completely hallucinating that memory idk

[jolly sierra]

give us that in general tree REEEEEEEEEEEEE

[vocal surge]

Think Flagellation is good for sub rogues?

[waxen meteor]

yeah

so deadly before double hp buff

nice, wife interupted 1 solo game

-200

[jolly sierra]

F

[waxen meteor]

[jolly sierra]

once my cat jumped to my desk and disconnected the ethernet cable with the shockwave

[vocal surge]

F

[potent pivot]

[unborn portal]

earthern writ off hand enchant?

[potent pivot]

for?

[waxen meteor]

DH

[eternal oriole]

It's over boyos

[potent pivot]

or maybe, it's just begun

[tribal bay]

yes

[jolly sierra]

https://www.wowhead.com/es/news/new-season-2-priest-tier-set-tints-in-patch-10-1-embers-of-neltharion-331785

6 tints for priests

make ur conclusions

[potent pivot]

green is prob lfr and silver normal is my guess

is purple is mythic then red is either heroic or conquest

[jolly sierra]

one of them is elite

and no one is pinkish

[waxen meteor]

ok so dropping 200 isn't too much an issue

5-1

[jolly sierra]

gg

[vocal surge]

pog

[unborn portal]

I aint even gon cap

[jolly sierra]

keep going

[unborn portal]

the new armor sets look dank

so do the outdoor ones

[potent pivot]

yo the outdoor stuff looks insane

they ain't fucking around with the art next patch

[unborn portal]

Yknow I thought about it

As weird as changes are

Cheapshot still being 4 seconds

Kinda sideways buff

Maybe I’m coping

[graceful ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2I71kPbP4U&ab_channel=Pikabooirl

[dull bridge]

wasn't expecting this video at all

[graceful ravine]

i guess these changes would make healers better

and therefore shuffle queues shorter

ideally

if they could get it down to 1-2 minute queues.... would be sick

im ready to reroll the highest pve spec

cc useless, just zug zug

with everybody having precog and kick being 3 secs, literally not worth to step kick ever

https://i.redd.it/6qjq2l4qssma1.png

this looks like a solo shuffle mount right?

armor very similar to s1 glad mount

but on a smaller dragon

[jolly sierra]

looks like a glad mount unless they are recoloring like in SL

[waxen meteor]

zug zug

ret it is

[jolly sierra]

me paladin

me blast

[dull bridge]

wow players gonna whine

nothing new

[graceful ravine]

theyve always done recolors in every pvp season in existence

also they wouldnt use the same colors for s2 as s1

[jolly sierra]

then according to ur logic, that will be the vicious mount tho

[graceful ravine]

the model is one of the smaller dragons

they wouldnt put gladiator on that

[jolly sierra]

looks like an otter

merged w a dragon lol

[stable urchin]

Orc master race again?

[stable urchin]

Also cheap shot duration remains the same?

[minor cape]

yes

still dont like those changes at all

but as mentioned, cheap is getting buffed which is kinda cool

passively buffed

[stable urchin]

Yeah finally we can do good cheap shot dance goes

Before everyone goes orc

[minor cape]

well honestly this stuff

is not that bad

i mean we also get reduced stuns on ourselves which for rogue is pretty bjg i think

i just hate that all this stuff makes game more zug zug and less based on cc which is horrible for sub and i dont want to play any other class

[boreal vessel]

The meta shift to more zug zug is idiotic

[worldly girder]

is the ability to get the 2400 elite weapons account wide?

like if i get elite on my rogue, can i buiy the 2H axe on my warrior?

[stable urchin]

Also crit nerf kinda bad for sec tech

[nova viper]

Well

Assa is only good choose on pvp now?

[velvet wagon]

PvP discord saying rogue has highest throughput of any melee dps

I actually cannot talk to these mouth breathers

[minor cape]

they might buff subs other aspects

if not then they are fucking insnae

[harsh steppe]

fr

[minor cape]

some people have to understand that if a class feels bad to play against doesn't mean it's op

[velvet wagon]

Half these people haven't even played rogue

And they say it's highest throughput melee dps

[minor cape]

even assas rogue is not it's bullshit

[nova viper]

But i wanna Play rouge

[minor cape]

what even is highest throughput

dh with his fluff or wha

xd

[velvet wagon]

Probably feral/fury/dh

[minor cape]

true

basically warrior and dh and druid if it doesn't get killed faster

but not in any way rogue

[harsh steppe]

so i know the guide says to get two crimson rings or a crimson & the titanic, but looking at the top 4 subs, 2 of them use 2 conqs & 2 of them use conq & honor mastery rings... so i don't really have a confirmed answer... i think i want to get the titanic ring but that will take a long time, so should i stick with conq/honor mastery rings or go 2x conq?

[minor cape]

ye go for one conq mastery and one honor mastery

i tested 2x conq and its less damage

than mastery conq & mastery honor

[harsh steppe]

ok tysm! so all i need now is the DB wrist, waist, & titanic ring right? that it?

[minor cape]

yeah pretty much

but why you have 6 vault delvers

or its conq?

[harsh steppe]

i have 2 vault delvers for set, rest is conq

[minor cape]

oh oke

[harsh steppe]

sweet tysm

[bold bison]

Orc 10,000% gets nerfed or removed

[velvet wagon]

Guys does warrior hard destroy rogue

[minor cape]

assas probably sub not so much

[sharp sierra]

what

[minor cape]

nerf rogue 🫡

[harsh steppe]

is sin going to be the only viable spec after changes?

[minor cape]

naah

we still ok

[harsh steppe]

ok fewfty

sub still able to 1v2 after?

[marble oasis]

loving how blind a 2 min CD is having a 40% nerf and no one except rogue see this. just discard it with an "oh well they got extra nerf moving on" >.<

[wintry dew]

Wondering what you mean with the 1v2 thing xD

[harsh steppe]

well rogue besides hunter is the only class i've seen able to occasionally 1v2 in arena
sometimes pally too tho

[wintry dew]

In 1500 rating maybe

[minor cape]

let us low rated players live 🫡

[wintry dew]

Because the whole 1v2 thing isn't really... How do I explain it ..

[harsh steppe]

ah ok yah i've never gone more than 1800

[minor cape]

me too

im like 1700-1800

1v2 is a nice bonus

in 2s

i did win some 2s through a blind sap

xd

1v2

[harsh steppe]

ahaha

[wintry dew]

Same, I'm a 1.8/1.9 player in 2s, 2.1/2.2 shuffle, and i rarely see the 1v2 happening successfully

[minor cape]

im like super low rated in 2s so makes sense

1300 or smth

never managed to get that double dps to work 😦

[bold bison]

There are too many proposed sweeping changes that impact Rogue significantly compared to other classes. Rogue class design has always been: high control, setup based kills, high skillcap but extremely vulnerable if cooldowns are traded poorly. Our stun/kick lockout/CC chain potential has always been the longest because without those particular elements we’re just an extremely subpar melee class. If you tweak the meta to lower the skillcap and make setup gameplay massively inferior to melee and caster cleaves, you have to increase damage and survivability to make Rogues another melee zugzug W presser.

[minor cape]

yeah thats what i thought

if they nerf those stuns

they need to buff other things

[wintry dew]

Afaik from what I read above our only significant change will be the blind

[minor cape]

but effectively biggest nerf here is blind

ye

[wintry dew]

No more blind into sap

[bold bison]

There’s a reason most ‘skilled’ players dislike Assa, it’s a hybrid between Rogue gameplay and Warrior/DH/DK/WW. People were so mad at Assa this season because we had a nutty Mortal Strike, did unpeelable damage and we could still do stuff like Blind Sap

[minor cape]

like sap is 0.8 seconds less, kidney stays the same, cheap gets buffed, gouge gets buffed

what im concerned about

is that double dps in 2s that was shit before is now even more shit so i guess im not playing 2s without a disc priest anymore

[bold bison]

2s is deader than dead with this

It’s legit a bracket for the highest damage melee plus the meta healer

[minor cape]

true

you either play disc assas or something that might counter disc assas

and next patch will be the same

just not disc assas maybe

[bold bison]

Legit I think they will make Rogue/Mage dumpster specs for a couple of patch cycles to encourage participation

I can’t see this as anything other than an attack on RMP

[minor cape]

rmp in 3s and rm in 2s is literally the coolest pvp thing in this game

i hate how they nerf it

[burnt kraken]

Not even nerfed

[minor cape]

in favour of boring garbage

[burnt kraken]

They killed it

[minor cape]

[bold bison]

I thought Pika made some good points though, I can’t see this helping inexperienced players, theyre going to get smorced so hard by Turbo/TSG/Walking Dead. Then imagine a low rated player queuing into a triple precog MLD on a big map??

[wintry dew]

What's precog? I literally can't remember

[bold bison]

Theyll just get run down and die to piss between goes because their healer got overwhelmed

[marble oasis]

his biggest point about CC not being impactful has never been the truest thing ever.
It was the little shitty spam stuns that demo lock had that was the problem not resource requiring ones

[wintry dew]

Oh boy

[marble oasis]

PVP aoe spec here we come xD

max deeps

[bold bison]

It’s becoming an emebellishment so every caster/healer will have it

It’s so unbelievably easy to fake low rated players

[harsh steppe]

they said playtest though... so it's possible it may not go through right?

[marble oasis]

i don't trust blizzard. if there wasn't this level of shock/outrage they would bury it

[bold bison]

Its going to be like late WoTLK Wizard arenas when Bloodlust was useable

[bold bison]

It’s possible but a) not enough people play on PTR and feed back and b) when they’re committed to a change this big they don’t tend to change their minds

[marble oasis]

so outlaw cleave meta inc ;p

[bold bison]

Like this shit is clearly a huge development philosophy shift for them, they’re not going to turn around and say ‘actually nah nvm lol’

[harsh steppe]

ugh

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-lloyd-theres-a-chance-jim-carrey-gif-11098164

[plucky sage]

Fuckin hell

No blind sap then wtf is sap for, a few seconds of no heals in the opener? Ugh

[burnt kraken]

Yeah blind and kick are the big L for rogue

We legit have to cs into blind to be able to sap of it? Just makes things even more micro cc friendly

[vocal surge]

I dont even think Outlaw's gonna make an appearance since crit damage got nerfed

and it relies on that crit damage a lot

[spark egret]

who let Holinka cook

[tribal bay]

gouge into blind

[tribal bay]

and its thing was also it has the rogues CC tooltkit :/

now it has bad damage and no CC

[vocal surge]

yep

[burnt kraken]

True but then u skip sap completely

[bold bison]

I’m pretty sure you won’t be able to sap off blind at all, last I checked casting blind counts as a combat action so it will be 6 seconds after you press it before combat drops and you can sap

[burnt kraken]

And too small window to kill

[bold bison]

There will be no blind sap at all

[twin burrow]

U guys know rogue kit been busted in pvp since vanilla. Times change. Game needs an overhaul. He who was first will one day be last, oh times they are a changing

[tribal bay]

why play a rogue then

lets all just play warriors and demon hunters

[twin burrow]

Cause your not a fotm Mets slave

[tribal bay]

how original and fun

[twin burrow]

Play rogue cause you enjoy it

[tribal bay]

no seriously tho

[twin burrow]

I'm serious

[tribal bay]

why the fuck would you grief so hard and play rogue?

[twin burrow]

Ok ur too invested emotionally

[tribal bay]

are you a masochist

[vocal surge]

Its just a unique spec that has its own form of play

that doesnt leave you falling asleep

[twin burrow]

Yup and looks cool. I made a rogue in 05 cause of the bandana lmao

[vocal surge]

the only other spec that is similar to rogue

would be ret pal

but thats it

[bold bison]

There’s nothing being proposed to offset it. I play Rogue because I like the high skillcap and setup based gameplay, if you remove the setup and lower the skillcap you’re just a reskinned melee without the cleave pressure

[vocal surge]

^

[tribal bay]

exactrly

[twin burrow]

You still have the same kit

[tribal bay]

why would you play rogue

bro 5 second blind isnt the same kit

sapping in the open isnt the same kit

[twin burrow]

So don't play rogue you fairweathers

Have fun pressing 3 buttons

It's the same kit, literally

[bold bison]

You don’t have the same kit, blind sap is a win condition

[twin burrow]

U can't argue that

The tech may be different but same kit

[tribal bay]

rogue becomes a useless class without enough damage when you take away its CC

[twin burrow]

Sub is best melle in solo the most popular ladder

Jeez guys get a grip

[bold bison]

Lmao yeah the changes aren’t live

[twin burrow]

If the changes ruin the game then we can be pissed but we haven't tried

[vocal surge]

Btw does the ptr have gear sets available for testing or nah

[tribal bay]

i dont think so

i was trying to stuff around on my monk

but they might add some idk

[bold bison]

We don’t need to try dude, Blind/Sap is gone, Crit change means we can’t kill in a duel, we only have bomb now

Right now blind is rarely enough alone to kill, the sap is low key mandatory

[twin burrow]

The Meta right now doesn't even need blind sap and be honest how many games are u blind sapping

[bold bison]

Every game over 2 minutes

[vocal surge]

depends if my teammate breaks it or not

[twin burrow]

I've blind sapped 3-4 times on my elite run lol no gouge either. It's not a cc meta

[velvet wagon]

What

[bold bison]

It’s a deliberate shift to cleave meta, setup is dead

They said they’re reducing CC to encourage participation

[vocal surge]

the best I can do is hope my teammate has enough damage to kill when I Kidney or Blind the healer

[twin burrow]

If the meta needed blind sap would they take it away ?

[velvet wagon]

You are putting the healer essentially 16s behind, or using trinket

Do you know how stupid you sound

[twin burrow]

What other class can do that ?

[vocal surge]

hunter

mage

druid

[twin burrow]

Nope

[vocal surge]

freezing trap -> intim

[tribal bay]

this is actually bait

[vocal surge]

tar trap (root)

[velvet wagon]

But rogues throughput is balanced behind the fact that you have more control

[vocal surge]

then freezing trap again

[bold bison]

This

[velvet wagon]

Assa isn't nuking people in those 16s lol

And neither is sub

Sub is legit zdps after 2 goes

If you don't kill in 2 goes you may as well FF

[twin burrow]

Yet it's the best spec in solo atm

[bold bison]

I’m not even saying Rogue is dead,
I’m saying it’s dead without a pretty significant improvement to throughput

[velvet wagon]

Correct

I would personally be fine with 6s blind

5 is too much

And make kick 4s not 3

[tribal bay]

5 is fukn fried

yeah 4s

[twin burrow]

Games changing

[velvet wagon]

This spec is dog water if they go ahead with these changes

[tribal bay]

and take feint off the gcd

[twin burrow]

It's gonna be homogenized

[bold bison]

I would accept blind sap being reinstated; maybe bomb/duel off global@

[twin burrow]

Completely

[bold bison]

That’s what we’re saying though, they’re homogenising without giving us the ungabunga melee pressure

[twin burrow]

How awkward are Dr stuns gonna be now.. like 1.5 second strangulatrs lol

[velvet wagon]

If you kidney into stun DR now you are legit dead

[twin burrow]

Bruh we do have the unga bunga u must channel your inner zug and SS to teammate hide

[velvet wagon]

People saying assa has highest throughput of melee classes and I sleep

Legit everyone wants to see rogue deleted cos they got sapped into blind

[twin burrow]

I think these changes overall may feel better , at least I hope. Casters seem to be busted

[velvet wagon]

And greeded trinket

[vocal surge]

isnt the meta dominated by casters outside of solo shuffle?

[tribal bay]

10.1 is going to be hogwarts legacy online

its gonna be cringe af

[twin burrow]

That would make sense since solo is all melle lol

[tawny kestrel]

right now? no, rogues

[velvet wagon]

I mean warlock is probably one of most broken specs with these changes even in melee zug meta

[twin burrow]

I got to 2200 on my warlock in 130ish rounds.

[velvet wagon]

No nerf to fear, precog base kit

[twin burrow]

Played lock once in legion

It's getting buffed too lol

[velvet wagon]

Okay they got hit with crit dmg

[twin burrow]

Blizz said they will modify classes with crit essentric builds

[velvet wagon]

But they don't even cast chaos bolt anymore hardly

[twin burrow]

Nope

Cb is a luxury

And tickles half the time

[minor cape]

cant wait to do 25% less dam on secret tech too

🫡

[twin burrow]

It's the 100k incinerates and constant instant casts

[velvet wagon]

What are they buffing to destro

[twin burrow]

Yes

[velvet wagon]

I can remember seeing they getting buffs

What are they

[minor cape]

they legit have to rework sub in 10.1

with this shit

[twin burrow]

Immolate 15% incinerates 10% inquisitors gaze 270% (no cap) and then pregoc baseline

[bold bison]

DW distracting mirage slow buffed

Stonks

[twin burrow]

Thank God

[velvet wagon]

They will give rogue flat % Inc to dmg and call it a fay

Day

[tribal bay]

just take more consistent damage talents

literally run pve builds

[vocal surge]

give outlaw +40% sinister strike damage and the rest 10%

[velvet wagon]

Rogue is like the Lee sin of wow

[twin burrow]

Listen I agree that chipping off our dicks with removing blind sap is crazy, it's sacrilege. it's.the end of an era

But I also think we've been kings for a loong time

[vocal surge]

at that point

why not chop off warlocks?

[twin burrow]

No king rules forever my son

[tawny kestrel]

give outlaw a burst cd

[tribal bay]

yeah

[vocal surge]

ye

[novel karma]

killing spree back to killing ppl maybe

[twin burrow]

Because warlocks haven't been triggering non rogues for a decade

People don't like dying in a kidney , they rather be able to line or stop a cb

My friend was like bro how they nerf kick so hard not counter spell I'm like Brody you don't cast spells lmao u don't have that crux

[velvet wagon]

Nerfing kick to 3s is trolling

[twin burrow]

Really not though

[velvet wagon]

From 5s to 3

[twin burrow]

At least when all classes get hit with it

[tawny kestrel]

every other kick has been 3 seconds for ages basically

every 15 sec cd kick is 3 sec

so its fair

hunter kick is 3 seconds and its 24 sec cd

so

[velvet wagon]

Because it's ranged lok

Lol?

[tawny kestrel]

mage and lock kick is 6 seconds

24 sec cd

[velvet wagon]

Most rogues are investing step with their kick

[twin burrow]

Kick into gouge into ks prolly really fun to die against

[tawny kestrel]

thats a choice tho

at least u have the choice to

other melee dont

[velvet wagon]

Rogues always had best interrupt

[twin burrow]

Rogues also have 8 yard melle range now

[velvet wagon]

Trolling to give same as warr

[twin burrow]

You can kick around pillars lmao

[velvet wagon]

Idc if rogue is dedge

But these changes troll

[twin burrow]

At the end of the day you need this attitude from this gif

[velvet wagon]

Lol

[twin burrow]

We're sounding like them now, nerf rogue nerf rogue now we're like wahh we're nerfed we're nerfed

[velvet wagon]

Everybody always cry for rogue nerf but never played the spec

[bold bison]

The Blizzard company is not happy with Rogues - that’s okay, I’ll still keep playing that garbage

[velvet wagon]

They cry rogue have highest melee dmg kekw

[twin burrow]

We all know vanilla rogue bis baby

[velvet wagon]

Rogue kidney on cd is auto win

When they never played rog

[twin burrow]

Yeah venruki spouts boomer slander towards rogue

'just ks and win' okay guy

Let me win awc rq

[velvet wagon]

Lol

[potent pivot]

Too early for more dooming

[twin burrow]

Gm tricks I've tried to rally the morale

[potent pivot]

[twin burrow]

Brad is NOT HAPPY let me tell ya

[potent pivot]

I’m not either tbh

But I’m not gonna doom just yet

[twin burrow]

I played good cop for a bit.

[tribal bay]

yeah i loved 5 min blind

10s gouge was good

[twin burrow]

I love dagger rogue in vanilla but cba with all the trinkets

[tawny kestrel]

its still a bit early

maybe the changes are good

just give it a bit and see

[twin burrow]

There we go

We legit don't know and it can also not go through

[tawny kestrel]

yeah

[twin burrow]

Go to the actual forums if your gonna doom so they see it

And by they I mean bots

Use hot keywords your local parsing program would love

Brb , someone's gotta open this McDonald's

[tawny kestrel]

ah saving up for faction change to orc

[potent pivot]

Lmao

[bold bison]

There is surely a less than 1% chance Hardiness stays as it is

[tribal bay]

im keen

if it stays

faction change my monk to orc and fistweave main

[tawny kestrel]

ye doubt they let orc be the way it is

[night olive]

does shadow dance increase all dmg by 30% or only stealth abilities?

[sharp sierra]

This change is a mass ELE on rogues

[night olive]

Nvm seems like all

[faint valve]

What the fuck is that Kidney Shot nerf, are people from Blizz really so dense? lmao

[bold bison]

Meh, I could take the kidney nerf, the blind nerf is the big one

[sharp sierra]

I told u ELE

[bold bison]

Let’s all do our Raid Boss rotation and whoever trades defensives more efficiently wins after 3 minutes

[night olive]

ELE?

[faint valve]

Feels kinda unfair considering that rogues first need to build up combo points before the stun. Compared to other classes that can just one click - instant stun others. But yeah the blind is also ridiculous.

[sharp sierra]

Extinction Level Event @night olive

[night olive]

lol

[sharp sierra]

lol

I guess thats why they call ele shamans that

[bold bison]

Ele just got a 25% nerf with the crit dmg reduction, every cloud has a silver lining

[hard raft]

Does set bonus matter in pvp? Do we try to keep tier pieces instead of pvp gear?

[bold bison]

Great for Assa, useless for Sub, not sure for Outlaw

[hard raft]

Great, thanks

[vocal surge]

Outlaw is big

Its just that we dont do damage. So the gains from the set bonus offsets the nerf to the bug for Ambush's damage being higher during stealth

also 2p depends on how many combo pointa you spend

8%/16%/24%/32%/40%/48%/56%

[sour coral]

why does the alliance seem to be more active in warmode on like every server despite horde outnumbering in alot of things it makes no sense

yes i know its not an offical pvp format but like its fun lol

[bold bison]

I think it’s just a leftover pattern of behaviour from when the war mode incentives were giga good for alliance.

[plucky sage]

You can catalyst conquest gear into tier, and get 424 PvP ilvl

[tribal badger]

i think its due to pvp sharding behavior more then anything honestly

at least from the way i understand it

warmode shards try to balance the number of horde/ally players

meaning whenever u zone into a new shard ur more likely to get placed into a shard where ur faction is outnumbered (because its trying to balance it out)

[sour coral]

that makes more sense because it feels like that

[tribal badger]

the issue is many players when they enter a shard where the other faction is steamrolling them just turn wmode off/jump shards via lfg

so ur constantly draining off the players trying to balance the shard

i play several toons on both factions and both sides say this exact thing (y is it that horde r always in groups in warmode/y is it alliance always have 20 people in a group in warmode)

i dont think its really one faction does it more then the other

[sour coral]

its certainly annoying when youre trying to get chests and its swarmed 5v1 lol

ah well is life

those warmode crates are pure dopamine rush when you snag it though

[tribal badger]

im so glad they brought them back honestly

bfa had such good wpvp

[sour coral]

https://tenor.com/view/eyes-beauty-gif-9706488

[tribal badger]

the days of mob vs mob in nazj still live in my heart

I remember first earning my slayer of the alliance title early on in bfa ppl didnt really know how warmode rewards worked yet

id gotten marked as an assassin and shipped back to zuldazar

the alliance formed a raid to try to climb the docks and murder me, the horde formed a raid (without me in it) to protect me

fight probably lasted 45m

and i just parkoured around the docks until i got my 10 kills for the title

I miss wpvp like that

[sour coral]

yeah its half the reason i play tbh

like dont get me wrong organized stuff is fine and dandy but when you are running around the world and you see someone messing with a lowbie or admitted guilty pleasure someone is attempting to solo something they shouldnt.. the adggers come out

[sly tangle]

Can you guys teach me how people get ilvl 421 Drakebreaker set please?

[tribal badger]

buy the 408 stuff

upgrade it using the weekly sparks quest currency

or w/e the currency is called

one of the pvp area weeklies it to collect 100 resource from a zone in warmode

the reward is 8 currency (i dont remember the name)

that currency is used to upgrade the 408 drakebreaker to 421

used to be on a vendor but now you just use the same upgrade npc that honor/valor gear uses

[sour coral]

ah so the lowbie sub 70 stuff cant be upgraded to 421? good to know

[tribal badger]

dont believe so

[pale storm]

Trophy of strife I believe is the currency name

[cobalt pewter]

lmao 5 second blind

[idle matrix]

Hoping for 100% bonus Ambush damage to compensate.

[harsh steppe]

good morning everyone ❤️
lol i had a nightmare that they removed blind sap & nerfed all of our ccs loll fewf glad it's over

[idle matrix]

Thank goodness it was just a dream.

A horrible, horrible dream.

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-fuck-morgan-freeman-stare-gif-6152513

[idle matrix]

I was worried that w/o a 7s CC anymore, we'd have no way to cap a flag node in BGs without actually killing the defender.

[waxen meteor]

5 sec blind is bad to get to restealth

[copper maple]

The cc nerfs have a lot more implications than I thought at first.
But isn't bg cap 6 seconds long?

[fierce laurel]

The first whole number above 5 yea.

[copper maple]

Then BG cap is still possible.

[fierce laurel]

How?

In almost every scenario 6 is larger than 5

[copper maple]

Is blind 5 in patch notes?

[fierce laurel]

Oh buddy.

[copper maple]

Didn't read properly cause I'm in denial phase