i just got here i'm staying here, and i'm staying sub idc what anyone says
rogue is fun 
#pvp
harsh steppe
sharp sierra
I dk well see. With all these changes i think i might wow past me and move on. They clearly hate pvp
sour coral
Every 7 second cc is gone if I read it correctly
dull bridge
down to 6
harsh steppe
also maybe I can offer some outside perspective, but rogue is the most op class in game, there's a reason it's in almost every single comp
dull bridge
we'll see - long time 'til the patch
i'm curious if they're bringing rele back
since they're removing gladiator's distinction
sharp sierra
Not anymore. Rogue will be the least represented class at this point
shrewd canyon
also maybe I can offer some outside perspective, but rogue is the most op class ...
exept those are some massive nerfs wee are getting compared to anyone else
bold bison
it's absolutely devastating for Rogue, literally dogshit change, they need to redesign the class
radiant glen
u guys hyped for the new rogue changes?
harsh steppe
oh shit
spark egret
unconfirmed
tribal badger
sheeeesh
nova viper
Rogue will now be like a supporting character in Naruto. A cool ninja who's only cool and dies when the bad guy shows up 
spark egret
but it for sure looks like the glad mount
sharp sierra
Yea im pretty sure im just gonna cancel. There will never be a balance in this game and rather then keep getting pissed about bad change for my mental health im just gonna quit and move on. This game is terrible imo.
spark egret
I would be shocked if it isn't
tribal badger
Rogue will now be like a supporting character in Naruto. A cool ninja who's only...
tbh these changes r the opposite of that
jolly sierra
dracotter
tribal badger
if anything rogue being a cc bot (which it ends up being fairly often because it has so much cc its damage gets gimped) is more of a support character
marble oasis
jesus christ what are these changes guys
spark egret
dont worry no rogues are getting glad now anyway
marble oasis
holy fuck
tribal badger
nerfing cc across the board generally implies specs that rely on cc to land kills will probably get damage buffs
unless u imagine they r just planning to gutter several classes
harsh steppe
i'm def gonna take an extra ambien tonight for sure
nova viper
Probably a damage buffs
spark egret
nerfing cc across the board generally implies specs that rely on cc to land kill...
this is what im saying
nova viper
Probably
spark egret
they're not buffing our damage
ebcause of stealth
the community fucking hates rogue
marble oasis
they better make us actually do some stupid damage to offset it lol
tribal badger
also to be clear, the only singular TARGETED nerf rogue got
languid ravine
30k eviscerate lets goooooo
marble oasis
we've been nerfed none stop due to our CC and the damage
delete the CC i want our damage back
tribal badger
everything else is just in line with everyone elses cc nerfs
which is w/e
they remove the set bonus cc reduc, they bring it baseline to all cc
thats fine
marble oasis
well our kick also used to lock out 1 second longer now it's identical
tribal badger
yes those two sure
tribal badger
true
dull bridge
i'm also really glad they're giving us the ability to add pvp scaling to crafted armor
tribal badger
thats prob the biggest buff to casters honestly
harsh steppe
dull bridge
so scrubs like me can get 2nd ring with main stat
tribal badger
cause most embellishements r like 1% damage, less in pvp
so giving that up for precog is so free
wicked rampart
S2 caster cleave meta confirmed lol
dull bridge
yeah looks like it's gonna be a wizard season
crit nerfed too
i'm just gonna roll affliction warlock
fear duration didn't even get nerfed
(yet)
jolly sierra
with this they buried fire mage, destro lock and sub rog to the fkn ground
specially fire and sub lol
dull bridge
they probably adjust for the damage loss
wicked rampart
Idk sub gaining back their CS rotation will be decent
marsh gazelle
i didn't see any hoj changes
wicked rampart
Assuming the meta doesn't just hard shift back to orcs because of course they won't change the racial
marsh gazelle
did other classes get cc nerfs?
tribal badger
idk how many cc effects with durations shorter then 5s currently got nerfed
tribal badger
it seemed to be mostly cc with base duration longer then 5
dull bridge
i just wanna know if hoj is getting nerfed
it's down to 5 secs
marsh gazelle
oh
ok i'm fine with kidney nerf then
just blind sap change
still cringe but as long as it's not just us i suppose is less bad
bold bison
I'll take the blind sap changes and the kidney reduction, let's just have 1 min off Cloak and Evasion CDs, no energy cost on feint and a damage buff to make up for it
jolly sierra
do u imagine something like "Hardiness has been redesigned: Now reduces damage taken by 5%"
idle matrix
No more CC + flag caps.
jolly sierra
or straight removed
dull bridge
i can't really get over maim and kidney being the same button now
should've increased the cd on kidney like 4-5 seconds instead
sharp sierra
This gsme is 100% going to be a pve based game in a few months. Either pve or gtfo. The pvp pop is going to be dead. Mark my words
Imo this game is done. Period
jolly sierra
shut up pichu
wicked rampart
do u imagine something like "Hardiness has been redesigned: Now reduces damage t...
I always thought something like just giving them a damage reduction during stuns specifically would be good. Keeps to the same og theme
I don't see them full removing it
Ever
jolly sierra
I always thought something like just giving them a damage reduction during stuns...
would be balanced tho
wise breach
I'm sorry, I can't get over the blind change, I know sitting in a long cc chain is not fun, but that's the point od having teammates to stop some of that stuff, intervene the sap, flare the rogue, etc etc
sharp sierra
How pissed was pikaboo
wise breach
This is basically telling me Blizz is balancing around shuffle, coordinated PvP can fuck off
jolly sierra
3s and 2s are dead
sharp sierra
Was he very angry
dull bridge
I'm sorry, I can't get over the blind change, I know sitting in a long cc chain ...
it's a 2 minute cooldown too - literally on the same footing as 20-30 second cds now
wanton breach
time to play melee or caster cleaves and just ignore cc!
jolly sierra
me smash
unborn portal
time to play melee or caster cleaves and just ignore cc!
yep
scarlet shell
The fact that coordinated pvp has to die for SS lol…
unborn portal
s2 looks like no set up comps; just turbo or caster cleaves
positioned bad? barely punished
faint valve
what's happening? Can anyone write tl'dr version for me?
bold bison
removing trademark CC chain is making rogue another zug zug press W melee, if they don't compensate we'll be Z-tier
small girder
Just tuned in, what the hell is happening
dull bridge
the problem was cc wasn't even long cc chains - it was the piss cc and getting triple DRd in each DR category
they should've just deleted the third DR
potent pivot
Jesus christ
wicked rampart
lmao
potent pivot
Tf is going on
dull bridge
welcome to hell
spark egret
Jesus christ
tell me its ok daddy please
jolly sierra
zugzug
tribal badger
im just thinking about facing every single caster with a free precog next season
😴
kicks lock out for less time and every caster with precog
do they just not want us 2 kick
potent pivot
They’re changing our cc?
nova viper
Well
spark egret
They’re changing our cc?
blind sap is gone
potent pivot
Nerfing blind sap and kidney
neat bough
isn't this a big nerf to sub in pvp?
idle matrix
If they increase Ambush damage by 100%, then I'd be cool with these changes.
tribal badger
big nerf to sub and law yes
and whatever other pvp specs rely on crit for sustain damage
potent pivot
isn't this a big nerf to sub in pvp?
Not very big, but still unwelcome. Sub isn’t even over powered right now.
burnt wagon
make soylo award glad mount
nova viper
Why they just dont remove pvp?
small girder
Man, I recently got my rogue geared. Geez. Literally today
tribal badger
because these changes would probably increase the amount of ppl playing pvp not decrease
potent pivot
Everyone give feedback on the forums
idle matrix
Yeah, you won't be needing 'gear' anymore where we're going.
neat bough
secret + cb seem like a big burst, not sure if i overestimate the strengh of it
tribal badger
it would just decrease the amount of top players playing
potent pivot
That’s all we can really do 
burnt wagon
ye
tribal badger
reducing cc/setups, increasing pve gameplay, reducing burst (death in a stun)
wispy viper
i die 100 to 0 in 0,01
sharp sierra
Why they just dont remove pvp?
I believe they are purposely sabotaging pvp to get you to pve
tribal badger
all changes that make pvp more welcoming to ur average plebian
but def dumbs the game down a bit
burnt wagon
@wispy viper im rerolling to dh
potent pivot
i die 100 to 0 in 0,01
If you’re here just to troll, this isn’t the place
wispy viper
If you’re here just to troll, this isn’t the place
are u saying rogue cant kill ppl 100 to 0 in 1 sec?
potent pivot
secret + cb seem like a big burst, not sure if i overestimate the strengh of it
It’s strong, yes. But it isn’t broken strong.
wise breach
Have fun posting on forums when any pro rogue post is going to be met with a bunch of "get rekt rogues lololololol"
potent pivot
are u saying rogue cant kill ppl 100 to 0 in 1 sec?
Yes, I am
idle matrix
Ratings are discriminatory.
spark egret
That’s all we can really do <:dead:932888396316155934>
even trickz is defeated
we lost boys
it's over
sharp sierra
Lol
marble oasis
yup cheerleader class
burnt wagon
rogue still SS tier
sharp sierra
Already cancelled sub
wispy viper
havoc 1 ds 100 to 0
unborn portal
wispy viper
nerf pls
blissful yew
<:Despairge:974069530907267123>
All rogue players rn
wicked rampart
Well at least they said the beginning of the pvp talent revamp will also be happening in 10.1
wispy viper
well
blissful yew
Meanwhile rest of the world celebrating
sour coral
wispy viper
as havoc u only need 2 iq to play well
blissful yew
potent pivot
Overall I think blizzard has lost their backbone. Tuning based on the community’s cry babies.
It’s abhorrent.
sour coral
its silly the amount of misinformation going around, wait till the patch is live and watch.
the discord is acting like the forums now when it comes to doomposting its funny
tribal badger
i mean lets be realistic
burnt wagon
legitimately removing the ability to blind sap is a massive nerf to the skillcap of rogues, one expac ago we could reliably kidney sap. it's not a free interaction, it costs us a dance or a vanish, but it's a gamewinner, if you restrict the ability to do that we're just a stinky windwalker, or DH, or DK with one off micro-CCs for healers. i absolutely hate that change
idle matrix
This is an absolutely BRUTAL nerf.
tribal badger
who else
potent pivot
the discord is acting like the forums now when it comes to doomposting its funny
I’m sorry, are you new here?
desert hound
cuz c tier
rogue uinplayable
nova viper
It's been an honor, ladies and gentlemen. Was it fun for pvp? now we're going to beat some of the same dungs for a few months and kill dragons in the raid, because that's the only thing you can do in this stupid game. oh there's also solo which is the most random and unfair mode of all so good luck 
sour coral
the biggest change imo is that crit damage one thats gonna hurt
wispy viper
rogue uinplayable
BIG TRUE
bold bison
nah it's blind/sap for sure
spark egret
Overall I think blizzard has lost their backbone. Tuning based on the community’...
this is the most
based shit ever said on this discord
wispy viper
ok i am done
sharp sierra
I can see the next tuning.
All damage in pvp has been reduced by 99%.
potent pivot
ok i am done
Having some fun is fine
wispy viper
blizzard change on blind is alright
sour coral
Adapt, overcome, succeed. shrug
potent pivot
Joking is fine
potent pivot
But let’s be reasonable
harsh steppe
Adapt, overcome, succeed. *shrug*
amen
sharp sierra
Lol
dull bridge
Adapt, overcome, succeed. *shrug*
indeed
sour coral
the loudest complainers will be the fotm rollers, mark my words.
dull bridge
reminder that glads distinction is gone
sharp sierra
At this point id rather see:
Rogues have beeb removed from the game.
Developers note: to compensate all rogues have been given a free 70 boost
dull bridge
i hope they change orc racial with this
wispy viper
Having some fun is fine
look havoc is broken, havoc killed rogue 100 to 0 in 0,5s https://clips.twitch.tv/TsundereInventiveArmadilloPupper-KL4vXy5aOS8cySng
marble oasis
So who's ready for the PVP FaQ on how to PVE the other team down fastest
scarlet shell
Damn time to play casters
sour coral
with the recent buffs/changes to racials I think they want to make orcs/horde more desirable as it seems like the balance between high ranking pvpers is mainly alliance
dull bridge
this reduces the value of human racial too i imagine
sour coral
at least in 3s, which If memory serves is where they do most of their pvp balance
idle matrix
*Stealth has been removed from to Rogue's toolkit. We feel that it gave Rogues an unfair advantage in PvP situations that was not intended. Moving forward, we'd like to emphasize the gameplay loop of afk auto-attacking. *
dull bridge
i wonder if the %5 from the pvp embellished piece will still be around
wicked rampart
Notes say its gone too
scarlet shell
No outlaw changes???
nova viper
No outlaw changes???
Yea. Cryt dmg nerf
scarlet shell
Well time to learn sub, again
harsh steppe
wicked rampart
Plus side it opens up a bit more flexibility with embellished items and crafting gear in general for pvp
dull bridge
the forum post says they'll be looking at the specs that utilize crits to make sure that they don't fall behind
i personally doubt that they'll be going through with the blind changes, bare minimum they reduce the cooldown, which i wouldn't mind
wise breach
Not really, it'll still be as good when you have full sockets
wicked rampart
Just roll free sockets on everything in vault 🙂
jolly sierra
they should add pvp scaling as embellished
wicked rampart
they should add pvp scaling as embellished
It sounds like they are if I understand that part of the notes correctly
unborn portal
potent pivot
I like the itemization changes at least
jolly sierra
well, that is a good change if is true tho
potent pivot
Gearing will be nice
jolly sierra
so u can do a scaled lariat
wicked rampart
Yea the crafting changes are actually kinda lit for pvp
jolly sierra
or something similar
dull bridge
crafting changes are really good
jolly sierra
do u have the full quote?
wicked rampart
do u have the full quote?
dull bridge
hmm you won't be able to get pvp scaling and precog at the same time though, probably. since they're both embellishments
tribal badger
Wdym
tribal badger
Pvp scaling isnt a embellishment
Its point is to make embellished items better in pvp
Its just ab optional reagent
wicked rampart
hmm you won't be able to get pvp scaling and precog at the same time though, pro...
It would probably go in the ilvl slot, not the embellishment slot I'd think
But yea we won't know until we see it since they just say "optional reagent"
tribal badger
Exactly
dull bridge
are embellishments like fang adornments not optional reagents? then yeah
wicked rampart
are embellishments like fang adornments not optional reagents? then yeah
Well I mean literally anything outside of the base crafting materials are "optional reagents"
tribal badger
Its just that
That cost is like 1.5% dps
They would have called it an embellishment if it was an embell
Like they did precog
dull bridge
level setting is optional reagents, precog embellishment also probably optional reagent (?) so not that the same time
potent pivot
Pvp scaling isnt a embellishment
You can make embellished items into pvp scaling items wdym
tribal badger
Exactly
Thats my point
The pvp scaling item is so u can have things like lariat at pvp scaled ilvl
dull bridge
I was misguided then, it's no big deal either way
bold bison
even cdew thinks the blind/sap nerf is too much
wicked rampart
The only annoying thing is if they do put that in the current ilvl slot that means it basically locks it for pvp and you can't have a flex crafted item you use in pve and pvp
tribal badger
Seems pretty worth as a caster
potent pivot
even cdew thinks the blind/sap nerf is too much
wicked rampart
even cdew thinks the blind/sap nerf is too much
I gotta see this lmao
potent pivot
The man crying for Blind to be completely removed from the game?
dull bridge
damn, even cdew? we're really doomed
potent pivot
He thinks it’s too much?
wicked rampart
Oh jeez foxy too
dull bridge
Seems pretty worth as a caster
yeah would be pretty good to have a move speed or snare reduction exclusive with precog for melees
wicked rampart
That's bad lol
spark egret
wtf is this
toxic yarrow
everquest
dull bridge
blind goes to 6 seconds mark my words
spark egret
bold bison
I'm fine if Sub has a PvP talent to make blind 8 seconds
Assa can go be an ungabunga melee press W faceroll spec that's fine
potent pivot
Ngl I wouldn’t like that
dull bridge
mandatory pvp talents can go die in a fire
harsh steppe
wise breach
If Cdew is defending us, hell has frozen over
wise breach
If Blind goes to 6, is that even enough to reliably Sap?
dull bridge
considering you could sap kidney in SL, yes
wise breach
SL Kidney was 7s
spark egret
If Cdew is defending us, hell has frozen over
wait
is cdew upset at the change
no shot bro
gleaming pawn
If your ping isn’t great, you could see issues trying to sap from 6sec CC
spark egret
tame nexus
Memories . . .
dull bridge
you could still sap rele no? maybe I'm tripping
wise breach
I don't think so, but I played assa all of SL and never ran DS, so not entirely sure
harsh steppe
dull bridge
the patch has like 8-9 weeks, relax
wise breach
Hardiness is going to get nerfed if they have a brain
Make it -5% damage taken while stunned and call it a day
jolly sierra
Make it -5% damage taken while stunned and call it a day
that is what i said
dull bridge
who is hoarding race changes
i am
jolly sierra
shadowlands pvp 2: electric boogaloo
proper heath
Btw, Intimidate. The hunter stun to 3 secs. Is actually really bad for them.
Such a short window to trap
- orc . Thats 2.4 sec stun. 1.3 sec GCD. Thats 1 second to throw your trap.
jolly sierra
and warrior and dh ungabunga stuns reduced
but who cares they doesn't know how to read KEK
harsh steppe
so what does this mean about gear? i was gonna go for drakebreaker waist & wrist next, titanic ring too, does the new gear stuff change anything?
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/hyperdexia
jolly sierra
yeah ur boots
harsh steppe
oh cuz the cc reduction fuck i just got those lmao
wise breach
Probably 3 considering the scope of these changes
jolly sierra
and don't think we will get honor or conq boots w those stats
harsh steppe
can i still get titanic ring? do i go for conq boots after 10.1?
jolly sierra
go before to have them ready
velvet wagon
Rog dedge
harsh steppe
ok tysm
wise breach
The way it sounds, we'll be able to add a thing to the Titanic Insight ring to make it scale to PvP ilvl
velvet wagon
This spec is now c tier with this change
jolly sierra
do u have any class backups?
harsh steppe
velvet wagon
Guys rogue just got nuked
nimble idol
rip sap blind? ahaha
jolly sierra
now is kidney blind sap
karmic finch
No healer would trinket blind anymore
At least cs and gouge relatively got buffed
Now sub can have decent cs goes
radiant glen
Gearing will be nice
yeah i agree, gearing is looking so much better, at this rate we wont even need to spend honor on a trinket
velvet wagon
If rogue doesn't get any damage buffs it is so dead
tribal bay
Blind 5s on 2 min cd 😂😂😂
where is this
bold bison
where is this
jolly sierra
hope so
tribal bay
So play test it, realize it's dumb, revert it
i dont think reverting it is the right call
but increasing blind to at least 6 seconds
blind being 5 seconds makes 0 sense
and deleting hardiness
so its not an orc fiesta
bold bison
I can't imagine how tilting 6 seconds wouldbe, when we could send the 7cp kidneys into sap in SL it only worked some of the time, I'm not blowing an extra dance charge/vanish for the chance to get a sap
tribal bay
every class got nerfed lil bro
velvet wagon
yes and rogue got hit the hardest lil bro
fierce laurel
Mage is pretty bad too.
tribal bay
yup mage got fisted
they'll increase blind to 6 seconds
and we will be on par with mage fisting
they made fistweaving S tier
jolly sierra
got the vers mastery boots
wise breach
but increasing blind to at least 6 seconds
Yeah that's what I meant
Tbh though I'm not a fan of any of these changes
fading blade
The worst changes to Pvp ever
wise breach
Also fears are going to be OP af in comparison to other cc
harsh steppe
gz @jolly sierra nice
wise breach
The kick lockout duration thing too is...
I feel like the crit change alone would have been sufficient to stop the insane burst
jolly sierra
gz <@239851547935113216> nice
ty, but is very easy to get xd
raw bluff
they said they nerfed CC cuz they got feedback that CC was too polarizing for new players
now we just give feedback these changes are shit and they revert 🙂
jolly sierra
for new players? rlly?
jolly sierra
dude that in 2004 would be a laugh reason from devs
scarlet shell
a new player judging CC
wise breach
Twitter
jolly sierra
imagine hear new players which probably will leave in a month not for cc but for unga unga classes
desert hound
Twitter
raw bluff
they said that in the "Feedback" blue post
scarlet shell
change org never works lol
raw bluff
https://mobile.twitter.com/Froffsy/status/1633962365757554688
crazy how this dude thinks upset = wrong
scarlet shell
he will laugh at the petition
desert hound
crazy how this dude thinks upset = wrong
tribal bay
honestly
since they're reverting the 15% CC reduction
8 second CC was already at 6.8 seconds
since they deleted that and reduced CC to 6 seconds
its a 0.8 second nerf
uneven grove
yep, great changes so far imho
tribal bay
they wont keep blind at 5 seconds
raw bluff
they wont keep blind at 5 seconds
hope ur right
wicked rampart
Unless orc
tribal bay
if they dont nerf orc they're cooked
wicked rampart
I want to believe
raw bluff
Im honestly here for full orc lobbies that'll be funny af
wicked rampart
I mean it'll just be SL all over again
tribal bay
im not
dull bridge
Im honestly here for full orc lobbies that'll be funny af
not like we haven't seen it before
tribal bay
it's blizzard
if you can still say that after all these constant changes
then idk what to tell you bro
you might be lost
tribal bay
its a 0.8 second nerf to 8 second CC
wicked rampart
If orc racial gets changed, it'll be more likely now than any other time in the past by a huge margin
tribal bay
like what are you even mad about
spark egret
them bricking the blind sap interaction
tribal bay
that wont last bro
desert hound
They'll wait for everyone to racechange to orc and nerf it a month later
spark egret
that wont last bro
graceful ravine
LOL
spark egret
I'll just play keys
wise breach
doesn't matter pvp colors are ugly as fuck
Wdym, rogue set is one the best ever
spark egret
its pink
tribal bay
i love pink
wise breach
graceful ravine
GG
spark egret
mythic
graceful ravine
are rogues officially dead now
tribal bay
pink my fav colour
tribal bay
are rogues officially dead now
no
jolly sierra
i rlly loved the edgy red color for pvp
tribal bay
are rogues officially dead now
they will increase blind to 6 seconds to be on par with other classes
graceful ravine
oh theyre nerfing every CC
spark egret
I don't think the elite version will be the same shitty pink as the lock one
I mean if it follows the same color scheme as current tier
jolly sierra
i already imagine the color combo in my head
spark egret
then it will
jolly sierra
is awful
tribal bay
oh theyre nerfing every CC
and they deleted the 15% CC reduction
graceful ravine
oh so its all the same
wise breach
Regardless though, I plan on getting the mythic one by upgrading gear
graceful ravine
nothing changed?
spark egret
just like this tier
tribal bay
so 8 second CC right now is 6.8 seconds with 15% reduction
new CC is 6 seconds baseline
spark egret
I checked warlock and rogue they both had the same colors
tribal bay
its a 0.8 seocnd nerf
wise breach
Sort of, some ccs didn't get nerfed
graceful ravine
can still blind sap but its super small window
spark egret
Regardless though, I plan on getting the mythic one by upgrading gear
yeah you'll need to farm 17s for that
wise breach
So fear, clone are stronger than now
spark egret
or heroic raid
tribal bay
cheap shot also didnt get nerfed
wise breach
Yeah, that's fine, I do all that now!
tribal bay
so sub rogue got buffed
spark egret
ye
tribal bay
with the 15% CC deleted
tribal bay
sub stonks go up assa zug zug stonks go down
graceful ravine
but their cc is nerfed anyways
wise breach
with 150% crits though, will sub be able to kill in a dance go
spark egret
I think they're going to release catalyst sooner
wicked rampart
can still blind sap but its super small window
Not with the current proposed changes
But likely won't last given the immediate uproar
graceful ravine
i blame cdew for this
tribal bay
with 150% crits though, will sub be able to kill in a dance go
sub rogues stack mastery
wicked rampart
i blame cdew for this
Even Cdew said it was too far LMAO
spark egret
LMAO
small girder
Someone with Twitter? Been hearing rumours about Holinka tweeting about orc racial. I can't find it myself, but I don't know if Twitter restricts my access without an account (I dont have any social media)
graceful ravine
LOL
tribal bay
and secret tech with cold blood is 100% crit chanced
it will be a slight nerf to secret tech
spark egret
when your biggest ops become your biggest fans
dull bridge
with 150% crits though, will sub be able to kill in a dance go
we see overall damage increase probably
wise breach
I don't see anything from him about orc racial
dull bridge
that change is meant to counter random shit like the hunt and ds doming you from %70 on a dice roll
small girder
I don't see anything from him about orc racial
Ahh damn, was hoping for it to be true
tribal bay
yeah exactly
tribal bay
yes
dull bridge
I don't see anything from him about orc racial
first round of changes, we'll see more
wicked rampart
they have to nerf orc
Oh come on don't you want to see 4 second kidneys? 🙃
wise breach
Oh I agree, if these changes stick Hardiness is getting reworked 100%, there's no way
tribal bay
what they'll do is
sour coral
Everyone still freaking out?
graceful ravine
would kidney even be worth casting as sub?
raw bluff
get that race change money Blizz
uneven grove
this is net buff for sub rogues tho, no CC reduction, and cheap shot is not touched
tribal bay
this is net buff for sub rogues tho, no CC reduction, and cheap shot is not touc...
exactly
uneven grove
let's assume they won't forget to adjust orc racial with all these changes
wise breach
Eh, I wouldn't go that far, Blind change alone is enough to negate everything else
wise breach
I would like to believe that
tribal bay
it wont bro lmao
literally every pvp content creator has made a video saying its stupid as fuck
they arent just gonna keep that
wicked rampart
It's ok they will buff blind to 5.9 seconds 🙂
tribal bay
these are the same people who have blasted rogues for the whole season
potent pivot
Unlucky rogue Andy's
if this is all you join a discord server to do, troll and poke at people, you should probably find a more useful use of your time.
wise breach
Hopped on PTR, this looks like it's the normal raid set
tribal bay
Def hurts burst on sec tec/one shot builds tho
secret tech still trucks without cold blood
wise breach
Can't see the other tints
tribal bay
so i'm not worried about that
potent pivot
Hopped on PTR, this looks like it's the normal raid set
hataro posted a different tint than that from PTR earlier
@spark egret
wicked rampart
so i'm not worried about that
yea that's why I said it was fine, just pointing out that one shot potential goes down some for sub
But if that comes with buffing elsewhere (which it probably will) that's really only a net benefit
wise breach
These are pretty sick
spark egret
Hopped on PTR, this looks like it's the normal raid set
normal or lfr
dull bridge
honestly sectech is like double tap, it's so strong it's cluttering the design space a bit
potent pivot
LFR is usually a greenish tint
spark egret
so lfr normal heroic mythic
dull bridge
but on the other hand i like having a big ass finisher
spark egret
LFR is usually a greenish tint
the red is def heroic
potent pivot
Or silver
wicked rampart
These are pretty sick
Can you get one to see how exactly it slots in during crafting?
spark egret
and we know purple is mythic
tribal bay
honestly sectech is like double tap, it's so strong it's cluttering the design s...
not really
dull bridge
you think so?
potent pivot
and we know purple is mythic
I thought purple is conquest 
tribal bay
its not double tap
spark egret
purple was datamined as mythic
potent pivot
Ye I see it now
The lock one on the same pic is the pvp tint
From the original post
spark egret
nope
proven kayak
They added back the upgrade ilvl in pvp ?
potent pivot
Bruh
keen dune
Hopped on PTR, this looks like it's the normal raid set
Is the purple tint mythic or 1800? Or something else?
potent pivot
I’m literally agreeing with you
wise breach
Purple tint is confirmed mythic
spark egret
I’m literally agreeing with you
i want to argue and fight
wicked rampart
They added back the upgrade ilvl in pvp ?
?
spark egret
potent pivot
R.E.A.D.
wise breach
Can you get one to see how exactly it slots in during crafting?
Don't have enough conquest, but looking at the various options in the profession window, I don't see where it goes yet
This is interesting though
potent pivot
They added back the upgrade ilvl in pvp ?
I don’t think so no
wise breach
spark egret
as alt or main in 10.1
wise breach
Wonder what this will be
proven kayak
Nah I'm tweaking I misunderstood the vendor
spark egret
that set is so good
potent pivot
They added a way to transform all gear into pvp scaling gear through honor and conquest @proven kayak
dull bridge
i knew it
proven kayak
They added a way to transform all gear into pvp scaling gear through honor and c...
Ye took a while to realize I'm sleepy af
dull bridge
probably snare + root reduction
wicked rampart
Don't have enough conquest, but looking at the various options in the profession...
They did say they were reworking some of the crafting stuff in the patch too, maybe it'll be a new slot entirely then
Which would be sick
winged pike
some baffling changes
potent pivot
I'm probably playing lock
IMAGINE not getting that priest set dude
winged pike
interestingly enough it’s in the complete opposite direction of pre df seasons tbh
potent pivot
You are on crack
winged pike
whereas before it felt much more methodical and pre planned
now it’s gonna be slam shit randomly to kill meta
tribal bay
now it’s gonna be slam shit randomly to kill meta
bro right now
potent pivot
That priest set is absolutely insane
tribal bay
8 second CC is 6.8 seconds
but they're deleting 15% reduction
and making 8 second CC 6 seconds
its a 0.8 second nerf
blind wont stay at 5 seconds
proven kayak
Well it's easy to abuse people at ssr anyway so rogues will be in ok state like always even if it's not that good
spark egret
That priest set is absolutely insane
I'm so in love with the rogue and warlock set
the DK set is also going to be a banger
I have so much to do in s2
potent pivot
You mean on d4 and other games?
winged pike
blind wont stay at 5 seconds
they are probably thinking along the lines of blind being non combat so they are expecting you to cheap then blind into sap but already people pre the blind 🤷♂️
spark egret
You mean on d4 and other games?
potent pivot
Imagine resubbing to wow
potent pivot
Me too
spark egret
potent pivot
spark egret
my 30 days are up tho
tribal bay
im not
wicked rampart
You guys play wow?
tribal bay
is PTR free still
potent pivot
proven kayak
^
tribal bay
im a final fantasy main now
spark egret
till d4 drops
potent pivot
spark egret
There's a black and red version of the set
yep
spark egret
I think it is heroic
but we'll see
cause like they said this is mythic
mage mythic is also purple
alot of the heroic sets seem to have a red tint
unborn portal
Pvp tint when
spark egret
next ptr maybe
spark egret
@unborn portalthis is listed as the warlock elite
potent pivot
Lfr
spark egret
so I assume that all the elites will be that color
potent pivot
Maybe
wicked rampart
There's a black and red version of the set
Giga Nathria vibes lol
wise breach
Ngl though, this set looks better on a human male than NE female
upper kayak
Yo do we panic for the nerfs ?
unborn portal
Lfr is usually like ugly green
jolly sierra
got the cursed end match for today
jaunty mirage
cause like they said this is mythic
this is literally shredder from ninja turtles
jolly sierra
devoker, dark iron dwarf sham and demolock
wicked rampart
I can't wait to see it on my DARKSPEAR
potent pivot
Yo do we panic for the nerfs ?
Panicking is a waste of energy
spark egret
this is literally shredder from ninja turtles
we know
unborn portal
Yo do we panic for the nerfs ?
jolly sierra
tanked like 37 cr, enough for today
wicked rampart
Panicking is a waste of energy
How else do you expect me to get my exercise in for the day
jolly sierra
tomorrow is another day kek
uneven grove
https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-panic-chaos-fire-gif-4920...
there is one rule in wow, no matter what happens in a patch, one rogue spec will be completely broken anyway
my dibs on sub rogue in 10.1
since i think they will remove the stun reduction from orc aswell
uneven grove
yeah then i cba out 
graceful ravine
glad mount for shufflers when
uneven grove
cus i won't pay that money to change races on 3 characters
jaunty mirage
my dibs on sub rogue in 10.1
no chance its sub if all the changes go through
tawny kestrel
outlaws only strong trait atm is the cc @unborn portal
unless they get a massive damage buff or a burst cd
doubt it will be any good
twin burrow
Hi is rogue affected at all for 10.1?
unborn portal
outlaws only strong trait atm is the cc <@152243994791772170>
Gouge is fine bro /s
wise breach
Blind gouge is 9s, don't need to commit vanish, we're cool
twin burrow
Where's tarny where's trickz where's dayv
uneven grove
no chance its sub if all the changes go through
cheap shot literally will be better than kidney
graceful ravine
theres no way i would spend 5 cp on a kidney when i can cs
potent pivot
Hi is rogue affected at all for 10.1?
twin burrow
vanishes
tribal bay
no chance its sub if all the changes go through
bro?
what are you talking about
cheap shot wasnt nerfed lil bro
and 15% CC reduction got taken out the back
twin burrow
Did u just call him lil bro. What kinda porn u into
uneven grove
someone into degrading
tribal bay
Did u just call him lil bro. What kinda porn u into
are you projecting or smth
potent pivot
and 15% CC reduction got taken out the back
everyone will just roll back orc if orc doesn't change, so
twin burrow
I was kidding step bro
uneven grove
everyone will just roll back orc if orc doesn't change, so
do we even play 10.1 if orc won't be changed?
i am not even a rogue main
tribal bay
do we even play 10.1 if orc won't be changed?
no
twin burrow
I'm a little angry ATM I hope you can understand
uneven grove
and i won't play 10.1 if orc stays
tribal bay
if they dont change orc i pve on final fantasy
potent pivot
do we even play 10.1 if orc won't be changed?
i don't think it's that big a deal tbh
tribal bay
and touch grass
winged pike
they will tune dmg around the shorter cc
uneven grove
was DH stuns in the patch notes? can't remember
potent pivot
they will tune dmg around the shorter cc
i don't think so no
fiery eagle
how bad is it looking boys
wise breach
So with those crafting changes, it might be worthwhile to make Life-bound bracers and belt with vers/mastery and get them socketed going into S2
jaunty mirage
cheap shot literally will be better than kidney
yeah just saw that actually, didnt realize cs wasnt changed
potent pivot
the entire point they're trying to reach is where you don't get out CC'd into losing, while still leaving some room for outplay with CC at the same time
gleaming pawn
So much copium that we’re going to get even the slightest damage buff to make up for taking our CC out at the knees
tribal bay
i think its copium that people think blind wont go to 6 seconds
potent pivot
matches shouldn't be full-on scripted into a loss based off someone's CC capabilities (considering perfect play from all parties)
tribal bay
im making a PTR account to spam reports that blind sux balls
potent pivot
but if someone makes a mistake(s), that should still be punishable through CC etc
jaunty mirage
the entire point they're trying to reach is where you don't get out CC'd into lo...
its still the wrong direction imo
regular cc isnt really the issue
jolly sierra
racials is one issue
jaunty mirage
its every class having access to multiple micro cc thats the issue
too much micro cc is what lead to precog
graceful ravine
oh they pushed awc back to april 7
jaunty mirage
if they want to make big changes to pvp they need to look at micro cc/interrupts and mobility
if they want to change things big time then grow some balls and address the elephant in the room for the last 5 expansions
idk
id rather remove micro cc, lower overall mobility and make casters go back to actually casting
jaunty mirage
cheap shot literally will be better than kidney
yeah but slower meta is always more beneficial for assa
uneven grove
yeah assa is not reliant on crits at all tbh
graceful ravine
slower meta = mana game
uneven grove
we will see, ngl i liked to play my WW in bfa
so crits back to 150%
will make big difference
jaunty mirage
if the meta slows down as much as it looks like it might, assa will be the best i think
graceful ravine
bfa with crits at 150% was 10 min games no?
uneven grove
i would love to see tier sets gone in pvp instead of this crit change tho
jaunty mirage
bfa with crits at 150% was 10 min games no?
there were a lot of reasons games were long in bfa
its not necessarily a death sentence for burst specs
graceful ravine
personally i think the sweet spot of games is 2-3 min long
right now its less than 2 min for sure
uneven grove
bfa with crits at 150% was 10 min games no?
yeah, but in bfa we had OP tank trinkets in pvp, then 50%+ vers with corruption, and healers were more stronger than now
jaunty mirage
fire mage was the best spec in the game for most of the expac
graceful ravine
its so rare to use the 2nd set of 2 min cds
jaunty mirage
yeah, but in bfa we had OP tank trinkets in pvp, then 50%+ vers with corruption,...
lot more self sustain from dps too
like way too much
uneven grove
fire mage was the best spec in the game for most of the expac
true dat, and it was an only burst spec from combustion
jaunty mirage
yeah
but sub was pretty bad
just based on current changes
the biggest winners are gonna be arms wars and destro locks
really destro lmao
goodness destro is gonna be wild
and maybe some heavy utility specs like boomy and sv hunter
sv is getting an aoe disarm
unless im reading that wrong
bold bison
yeah it's like a disarm living bomb
lmao
don't worry though we get an additional slow on our dogshit distract PvP talent, thanks game devs!
setup comps are deader than dead, these changes are meant to make PvP universal so newcomers and PvErs can play more, the idea of a 'win condition' is gone, the win condition is now just do your raidboss rotation until someone dies
jaunty mirage
i mean i think they are just tuning for shuffle now
bold bison
anything with high DPS and consistent pressure is going to be insane, with less damage, no crits, shorter CC and an end to CC chains it's going to be a really apelike meta
jaunty mirage
which i suppose makes sense
bold bison
if there's no passive survivability buff for Rogues you can forget it
jaunty mirage
well its not no crits ever
bold bison
end of an era
meh 150% is barely a crit
that's 25% less damage on Lava Burst, Shatter Combos, SecTec goes
jaunty mirage
like i said fire mage was the best spec in bfa and its purely a crit based spec
bold bison
true, the crit based specs now will need a passive tuning buff to make up for it
Ele Shaman should be sweating
jaunty mirage
will be interesting to see if they make any more changes
bold bison
either these changes are really concrete, which means Blizzard are literally incompetent
or they're going to do more, in which case they shouldn't have released this half-baked shit
I've played since 2006, genuinely considering whether I should bother
literally never malded so hard at patch notes, not even close
jaunty mirage
really just have to wait and see how things play out i guess
curious just how much the meta slows down
i think assa will be fine though
the more the meta slows down the better assa gets really
doesnt rely on crits, doesnt really rely on cc chains, super high sustain and in a damp meta they arent squishy anymore
bold bison
I might be wrong but I feel like Assa is probably in the most danger just now, it’s going to be a meta that favours tanky classes with high sustain, warrior is already creeping towards S-Tier so the ladder will be swamped by them soon
Assa losing 30% blind duration, 1sec off kidney, 2 sec off kick and blind/sap on top of garrotte fix and deathmark/hemotoxin nerf is pretty bad
It becomes even less setup based (it was always kinda diet Rogue) and has to compete with the zugzugs
Plus healers all running precog is an indirect Rogue nerf
jaunty mirage
if the meta slows down to the point assa doesnt die in a stun anymore, thats basically a buff
thats its only real weakness
assa thrives in a dampfest pve environment
spice harness
we dont lose 1 sec off kidney its like, 0,1 loss because they are removing 15% from trinket set and pvp feet
potent pivot
we dont lose 1 sec off kidney its like, 0,1 loss because they are removing 15% f...
they haven't said anything about orc racial
proven kayak
we dont lose 1 sec off kidney its like, 0,1 loss because they are removing 15% f...
Orc racial exists
potent pivot
so if it stays, we essentially lose 1 second, yes
spice harness
eh no way it stays if they are making this changes ofc it existsđ
worldly girder
These cc changes are giving me diarrhea
proven kayak
They just want to attract more new players to ranked environment by fucking up the skill ceiling
worldly girder
I'm scared arenas gonna turn into a pve shit fest
Been playing frost mage in shuffle and it's already barely worth using poly there. This is gonna make it completely useless to cc
proven kayak
It's like lol season after season they try remove any skill expression and just win by numbers
jolly sierra
with a lot of wizards
worldly girder
Silver lining is it could make getting cc changes a bit more skillful, idk
Now you have to burn kidney to sap after blind
Or you could make a decision to just short goug e
I'm curious how this'll play out
I'm worried about the crit changes too tbh. I liked the fast paced meta
worldly girder
Yeah I'm hella worried about that
They were doing good by nerfing burst cds and buffing sustain. Crit change seemed unnecessary
jolly sierra
wlll be good for assa tho
proven kayak
You just have to play bruiser with consistent damage and hope you do more
proven kayak
Assa might be okay
jolly sierra
will feel like a circus
worldly girder
Lmao
proven kayak
Ye idk I think sub will be in a very bad spot if they don't totally rework the spec
potent pivot
eh no way it stays if they are making this changes ofc it existsđ
ngl i don't see them removing something that has been there for years
that will also make them a lot of money from race/faction changes again
worldly girder
They should keep blind 6s at least for sub only
They need to move more damage into evis out of secret tech too
sharp sierra
I wonder how dead pvp will be after this lol season. Rogues will be a rare breed
As snutz said this will be the final nail in the coffin
proven kayak
Most ppl who play rogue are dedicated and play them through every change
surreal barn
I think they are already kinda rare sub side. 1800 in NA was like what #600? Warrior @1800 was something like #4000
languid ravine
I feel like Sub is quantum tunneling and warrior is a tricicle on rails
proven kayak
I cba I play to take mogs and illusions while having fun changes never stopped me
Solo shuffle was the most fun I ever had playing arena
jolly sierra
i already have the xmog just wanna the illusion at this step
im at 2k w rog, but if doesnt works for now ill go w ret after patch
proven kayak
Got it early and unsubbed but came back cus of tavern thing
proven kayak
The only change I want is faster qs if possible
jolly sierra
who doesn't want it
vocal surge
ngl thou
jolly sierra
in my 3 matches today, one took 40, another one 50 and then the last and cursed one 1 hour 10
vocal surge
The sap and blind change aint bad
proven kayak
Maybe with those changes more healers will play
vocal surge
it took skill to pull tthat off in SL
jolly sierra
how tf i got a devoker an ele and a demo dwarves in the same match
vocal surge
but in DF its too easy to get that combo off
proven kayak
I played assa all seasons of sl
proven kayak
Yes
jolly sierra
that one was like hell