pvp

[jolly sierra]

will see how they instatrinkets it

literal they uses trinkets just to unstuck their characters

[sharp sierra]

My last lobby was arcane mage, fire mags, Boomy then obviously 2 heals.

That sucked. 3/3

Alright boyz. I got assa nerfed by switching to it and next is sub. Say bye to sub in two weeks lmao

[tame nexus]

They were stacking, Blizz said its a bug and fixed it

[jolly sierra]

crap

[tawny kestrel]

[sharp sierra]

Lol raz this makes 6 specs in a row that ive switchee to not lasting more then 2 weeks before they nerf it. Feels like blizzard is shadow watching and nerfing anything i touch

I have no explanation

[tame nexus]

Shows what an opportunist you are? ><

[jolly sierra]

go to ele

[sharp sierra]

Lol

[jolly sierra]

and nerf it

[sharp sierra]

Haha. I figure since outlaw and assa suck now im dying to see if they do it to rogues one only viable spec left gutting the whole class

Well see

[dull bridge]

assa doesn't suck now

stop whining

[sharp sierra]

Its still better then outlaw but pretty bad

Those nerfs were noticable homie

[tawny kestrel]

how can u say assa sucks

[sharp sierra]

Dots tickle now

[tawny kestrel]

do they

i think 20k garrote ticks is still kinda good

its also only your empowered garrotes that are getting a slight nerf

[sharp sierra]

Dont forget deathmark nerf which already dispellqble

[tawny kestrel]

ye so that doesnt matter

if youre unironically sitting here saying assa sucks after these nerfs

going from s tier

to whatever

i have no words

[sharp sierra]

Im not saying its dead. But its prob c tier

[tawny kestrel]

jesus christ

[sharp sierra]

Low b tops

[tawny kestrel]

u gotta be a paid troll

[tame nexus]

or a very bored panda

[sharp sierra]

Lmao

[proper heath]

God damn. Assa sucks.

unplayable now

Resto druids do more dmg now.

[sharp sierra]

Thank u!

At least someone else gets it

You know its bad when a healer can out dmg u

[green star]

Guys
im currently playing 2v2 as assa with disc
hard struggeling against demos and afflis
is there a way how we can kill them?
thx for any answers

[sharp sierra]

Yea reroll

[proper heath]

Exactly. Tiem to reroll

[sour coral]

This persons been trolling since last night, Don’t listen to them. Warlock is a hard matchup for sure though

[proper heath]

I can't believe we are like Z tier now.

Is there a tier below Z? Za? Because a is after Z, we starting the alphabet over? thats where we are at.

[jolly sierra]

hey

[proper heath]

Demos might not be the best target to go, depends on their partner. Demos are notoriously hard to kill.
Go the affliction, because kicks on him shuts down alot of his dmg.
Killing them is same as killing other classes, They 2 Major defensives, Dark Pact, and unending resolve. (Healthstone as well)
Keep track of when they use it, and when they dont have it. CC healer. Or just press all your buttons and disc priest also do damage. and push them over.

When you play with disc, you wanna pressure them hard, Disc isn't an amazing healer for dampening, but they do alot of damage. So you dont want to give the other team time to breathe.
Just full gas no breaks. Discs do their best work when they are ahead, becauese then they can do damage and heal.

[green star]

Thx mate!
Against demo was with fistweaver, we got skrewed buy incap stun fear rotation and i couldnt restealth thx to the pets
Affli was with druid, we just melted away

[proper heath]

I would encourage you to record ur games. And you can reach out to me if you want to.
I've had fellow rogues send me their recording for critique, and we found out they didn't ever press rupture. Or never pressed blind. One rogue never pressed kidney ever. Basically they weren't using essential parts of their kit.
We wouldn't know your issue without seeing it.

Like the rogue not pressing rupture was missing like 40% of his dmg. I mean no amount of strategic advice is going to help with that.

[sharp sierra]

Oof

[plucky sage]

Well no, unless you waited for DR to finish on cheap shot

[scarlet shell]

are you getting paid to say all this nonsense

even if you are dead on correct, no one will clap for you anyways

[wise breach]

Is that with Amplifying?

[sharp sierra]

Yes

Wanted to try it so just kept using combo points to refresh rup on everyone and slice and dice. Once i got the stacks that’s when i kidney, echo and then envenom spam on blue points.

[mystic magnet]

Is kyrian on sub better than 7 combo points

I think all the top players are using kyrian but I like 7 point

[jolly sierra]

alright enough for today

got a ww and 3 bm in a row

lose like 100 CR for that xd

next time will stop at 2 losses in a row

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-the-feeling-well-marc-wheeler-twilight-zone-i-know-how-it-feels-i-can-relate-gif-21893952

[jolly sierra]

guys what is the website where u see the recent pvp matches with win/losses?

[potent pivot]

pvp logs?

or xunamate

[jolly sierra]

pvplogs was tho, but is down at least here

nvm found it

[jolly sierra]

damn i knew the matches were rough af today after checking up

hope tomorrow has better luck

[sharp sierra]

until 10 cet?

sigh

Wtf. 8 hour

[jolly sierra]

holy shit

see ya tomorrow lol

[dull bridge]

have y'all played around with the dispatcher build at all after the dispatch damage buffs?

[sharp sierra]

thats something you dont see every day

900k hp lock

[dull bridge]

although dance is fun and all i don't really like being the cc bitch and dealing 0 damage - although i can't even tell if it's more damage

• i fell so bad when i get a bad roll with the dance build - feels so much better to play with cto and loaded dice to offset bad luck

[tribal badger]

KiR build does even less damage tbh

feels pretty meh but i havent played that much with it

if i try it more this week i'll probably play dance anyway tho, the dance KiR variant is way ahead of the Er KiR variant (in pve terms) rn

cant imagine the ER one is doing more damage

[dull bridge]

er feels super awful to press when you have 7 cps

[tribal badger]

yup

i think u probably wanna play dance for kir build anyway

ambush just hits 2 hard

plus set bonus

plus cto

[left spoke]

Holy shit the dooming in here is pure gold

[tribal badger]

wdym we just got buffs last week

outlaw pov

[proper heath]

It's over

[left spoke]

Don't think I've seen cunts arguing with people that's literally double their cr for a whole night before

[jolly sierra]

raz vs pichu lol

btw this disturbs me

[left spoke]

What's their first blood position ?

[jolly sierra]

how many chances in average they have to do the 1st kill in the match

[left spoke]

Ye as In what place are they ?

[jolly sierra]

emmm

21th

the 1st one ironically is ret

XD

[sharp sierra]

rogue stealth bug is super annoying

[left spoke]

Yea they're essentially a non kill target most lobbies

[jolly sierra]

im really expecting a lot of nerfs if they become buffed to compensate their pve bow after 10.0.7

no way that kind of changes can arrive to retail

i talk about this

prepare an alt, 10.0.7 start will be very tough for rogues

[worthy crag]

sin nerfs in?

[fringe merlin]

@sharp sierra

[jolly sierra]

no, just stomping

[left spoke]

Erm those numbers have been nerfed

Kill Command damage will be increased by 10%, down from 25%.
Barbed Shot damage will be increased by 12%, down from 25%.
Kill Cleave (talent) will now transfer 60% of Kill Command’s damage, up from 50%

But I agree this is still very unneeded

Last thing PvP needs rn is more dam

[jolly sierra]

yeah, i say

they are S tier right now in shuffle

if those buffs are live, will be even more absurd

[left spoke]

Youre also forgetting 8% more hp

100% more chakram dam is pretty big for sv\marks too

On my sv chakrams is 5% of my dam so that alone is a straight 5% st buff

[jolly sierra]

i know, is disgusting af

so that is the reason to day to prepare an alt

cuz a lot of stuff will be disgusting at start of 10.0.7

[left spoke]

Eh I'm sticking to my sv hunter

It's been fun so far , logged 1500 rounds on it

[jolly sierra]

kek

im parking my ret

reached 1k8 and has full conq

will be funny af

[left spoke]

I have a boost from buying df

[jolly sierra]

i never use that stuff tbh

[left spoke]

Ret will 100% come out the Box more disgusting than pre pre pre pre pre nerf dh

[jolly sierra]

agree

always with reworks become very disgusting

expect a fiesta at 1st week

[left spoke]

I alrdy have PTSD from stepping to my healer at the corner of mugambala

Only to get final recked divine tolled for 200% overkill in sl s1

[waxen meteor]

Rework prbly never considers pvp modifier etc.

[left spoke]

Also every wog was a lay on hands

[jolly sierra]

the funniest thing about ret pre nerf in DF were the 200k decrees

[left spoke]

What did vanguards call it

"sustained burst"

[waxen meteor]

[left spoke]

[waxen meteor]

i love that

[jolly sierra]

"balanced gameplay"

[waxen meteor]

my little hpal is exchanging conquer point to ret gear now

normally when we have s2 coming, is s2 honor > s1 conquer or not

[dull bridge]

AT LEAST it looks like they're losing undispellable freedom?

[waxen meteor]

who needs mobility when you attack from 23 yards

[dull bridge]

i think s2 honor is usually a tiny bit above s1 conq but i might be talking out of my ass

[jolly sierra]

yeah, s2 honor gear has duelist ilvl

[waxen meteor]

but with DF system, duelist or not have same pvp level

[jolly sierra]

unbound is in the main pally tree

[left spoke]

Don't think it matters too much, honor is piss easy to get

[jolly sierra]

KEK

[left spoke]

Well it becomes dispellablen

[jolly sierra]

but u have back the 30% mov buff

[left spoke]

But isn't the base cd 30sefonds ?

[jolly sierra]

25

[left spoke]

[jolly sierra]

[left spoke]

I welcome our male BE overlords

[jolly sierra]

i was playing fem zanda

free lay on hands

[left spoke]

Isn't it a channel ?

You'd have to bubble to get it of?

[jolly sierra]

yep

but if u run to a pillar or something can get the full heal

or even u can have it dispelled and then u will have full hp

cuz healer + ur own heal

[left spoke]

The most fried part is that Rets don't queue into other rets in shuffle

[jolly sierra]

nope

the thing which make he fear them as rog too is about they be able to use defensives in stun

at least 1, but still good to mitigate if u precasted stuff like eye for an eye

and autocast healing when they are low hp

they will have this

baseline

with this

and with this, this compesate a lot their lack of defensives in live

[left spoke]

Da fuq

They can use a 30% wall every 40seconds?

In stuns

Reminder that hunter wall needs 4 talents to make our wall a 2.4min cd not usable in stuns for 6 seconds

[jolly sierra]

yeah, they will

imagine a kidney go without smokebomb or a huge thing like deathmark

they just will use that and stop potential deaths

[dull bridge]

usable while stunned
this is my biggest pet peeve

ok locks can do it fine

LG gonna bulldoze awc with ret rogue

[vocal surge]

I thought Blessing of Freedom was already dispellable

else mages wont be able to steal it off of pallies

[waxen meteor]

RET currently has good cd of 30% reduction as well

it's about the baseline reduction

it's not 40s but not bad i think 1 min now

[karmic python]

Rotation and playstyle for sub rogs in ss?
Andy advice/tips?

[sharp sierra]

can rogues use this to tmog:

https://www.wowhead.com/item=159840/teebus-scorching-straight-sword#comments

sword that is

[potent pivot]

#transmog

[fierce laurel]

Destro destro ele sub lobby.

[crystal furnace]

Improved Garrote - Fixed a bug that prevented Improved Garrote's PvP Multiplier from applying. Damage bonus will once again match the tooltip value of 30% (base 50%) in PvP Combat. What does that mean? What is the damage before and after this change? how much of a nerf is it

[potent pivot]

it's not a big nerf at all

it's purely garrote from stealth doing slightly less dmg

[crystal furnace]

i see

[faint vessel]

Can someone tell me what spells and/or buffs I should absolutely pop evasion with as well as cloak of shadows and feint so I can create a weak aura? Using sub rogue thanks!

[minor cape]

this can either go really good or really really bad

🥹

[minor cape]

isnt it too situational

[tribal bay]

Warrior spear and avatar ig

Since can’t cloak out of it anymore

[harsh steppe]

morning all ❤️
do i need to put /stopattack or /stopcasting on gouge?

[cloud silo]

hey all, any opinions on the build I made? https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/dragonflight-talent-calculator#4--259$afgrsv0RQ0PbONwNMGGFqzedc0LKKJEED1I+deeffhhinpq0rrsstuvxxyBCFHIc1DKK*0e1f2a

[harsh steppe]

also can I put macro shadowblades to anything? (not kidney/dance/symbols/ss/eviscerate/er/cb/secret tech/cheap shot obv)

[minor cape]

you can actually make a macro to pop all your shit for a big go but you also need separate shadow blades

[harsh steppe]

yah & i don't wanna do that, i have my main buffs & sb separate atm, but i always forget to press it

[minor cape]

then why macro

[harsh steppe]

so i don't forget to press it

like rn it would be better to macro it to backstab than not using it at all

[faint vessel]

I know what you're trying to do, you want to not lose stealthed after gouge, and no, it wont work.

[night olive]

Cut to the chase is really nice, not sure why you wouldn't take it

[harsh steppe]

no i just have gouge on my spamming keybind, so i end up sometimes breaking the incapicate on it

@faint vessel

[faint vessel]

you can add /dance after casting gouge lol

[harsh steppe]

hm nah i'd rather save dance for my burst

[cloud silo]

easier and better sustain and burst in my opinion, no idea what I should lose to take cut. I took the kidney talent in this case that will auto cast cut - meaning I wont have it like 5 secs.

[night olive]

Ah didn't notice

[harsh steppe]

also i'm still a little confused on the secret tech glitch:

• so i have to be 5 yards within the enemy in order for it to glitch, right? but do i have to stay still the whole time, or can I cast it & then move?
• can they move in those 5 yards of where I cast secret tech & still get hit, or do they have to be completely still the whole time?

[cloud silo]

does it seem ok to you? Haven't tried yet. Im trying to increase my dmg output cause when Im with bad teammates on shuffle I seem to lack the final dmg to kill them.

[minor cape]

when doing gouge turn sideways so you wont hit the target after gouge

or stopattack y

[harsh steppe]

perfect, tysm

[cloud silo]

unless you're talking with someone or you're in 2v2 gouge aint worth it, they're breaking it a lot - your teammates I mean

imo..

[harsh steppe]

well it still gives a combo point & is cheaper than backstab

[night olive]

I'm not really qualified to tell you. It seems alright, I think I've seen some rogue on the 3's ladder run something similar but I'm not sure about the kidney pvp talent tho

[bold bison]

it's a microstun meta, gouge is hugely OP to stop casting etc

[potent pivot]

Gm! Nothing wrong with adding them to it

[sharp sierra]

patch notes anywhere?

[polar shard]

whats a good build for sub rn ?

[graceful ravine]

specs for 10.07

[lucid citrus]

God damn lol

[waxen meteor]

OK at least it's not tier list

just how much the change it is

[twin burrow]

how do you get a highest level lariat, like how do get the primal infusion

i have all the mats but the epic stone

[bitter osprey]

U get concentrated primals from m+ mainly, get them guaranteed from the chest upon completing a +16 key or higher

Ive seen a few drop from mythic raid bosses too

[twin burrow]

16 confirmed ?

Would you say it's a 15-20 percent per m+

[chrome schooner]

It's 100% drop chance from 16+ keys

As he said, it's "guaranteed" if the key is 16 or higher, you just need to loot the chest at the end

[bold bison]

you get one guaranteed per mythic raid boss

[wintry dew]

Mythic boss kills also award concentrated stones

And i believe it's guaranteed

[wicked rampart]

That's what they are talking about

[wintry dew]

"I've seen some drop"

It's not a chance to drop afaik

[wicked rampart]

and then this was said

which is accurate

[wintry dew]

Thank you for confirming my blindness

I didn't read the last sentence B4 I wrote

[wicked rampart]

Tbh pvp got giga shafted with crafting thingies

[wintry dew]

I know, it's sad

[wicked rampart]

With the rate you get boxes in the first place making them 100% from boxes once you have the rating still would have been pretty close to just grinding 16's with a good group

Idk why they made it so toxic lol

[bold bison]

I think they should drop above duellist tbh, even 2100 is significantly harder and a bigger time investment than doing 16s. after all you're still gated by sparks, and it's only 418 stuff, while even Drakebreakers from doing a couple of WQs a week is 421

[harsh steppe]

what are the best 2s partners for sub?

[wintry dew]

Disc or mage afaik

[harsh steppe]

ty

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/fenneko-aggretsuko-laugh-ha-ha-ha-gif-11717134

ret time

[waxen meteor]

it just says big change

doesn't say it's good or bad

although we all know the reality

but i am kinda surprised to see protection paladin in meta defining section

does it mean we will actually fight in lots of tank games?

[jolly sierra]

we know is 100% S++ according to PTR

and yeah, think we will see a lot of prot matches REEEEEEE

crap those are the most toxic matches overall

[waxen meteor]

but we are expecting 10.0.7 to live before season2?

[jolly sierra]

yeah

s1 is expected to finish in may

that patch is expected to arrive in early april, so

[waxen meteor]

so gladiator ret ready

i am farming conquer with hpal

[jolly sierra]

according to roadmap

do u have ur ret fully geared already?

[waxen meteor]

god healer queue is so nice

[jolly sierra]

i just wanted 1k8 and have the elite xmog for now

to use a blazing ashbringer w it

[waxen meteor]

it's quicker than skirmish

[jolly sierra]

is that good w holy?

[waxen meteor]

for the queue?

[jolly sierra]

not queue, gameplay itself

[waxen meteor]

yeah, 90% of time the queue is instant or semi instant

well maybe beacuse i am new, but as long as nobody hits me, it's alright

[sharp sierra]

whats better for ass. 2 conquest dagger or 1 conq dagger and 1 trophy dagger

[jolly sierra]

ah nice

[waxen meteor]

but i feel i am so fragile

also my gear is very low as well

[jolly sierra]

u get used when u play rog tho

ah that changes a lot

[waxen meteor]

yeah and i think i run out of mana also faster

[graceful ravine]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/11274-Patch-10-1-Preview-Embers-of-Neltharion?fbclid=IwAR2pbnie5756lo7ang0zHN7i2E38FU2FPRtRkigh6nUttwklsfYZUKM9KJU

[waxen meteor]

but when you have only honor gear that's expected

[jolly sierra]

yeah, holy is the worst healer in SS tho

[graceful ravine]

Seasonal affixes are being retired in Mythic Plus. There is no longer an additional affix at keystone level 10.

WHOA

[waxen meteor]

tbh, i don't know if it's really surviving a lot better with better gear

[jolly sierra]

does that means u will be playing EZ mode in mythic+?

[graceful ravine]

Patch 10.0.7 releases on March 21 in North America and March 22 in Europe.

[jolly sierra]

i still recall sinful affix

[waxen meteor]

the hell, in 2 weeks?

[jolly sierra]

OHHHH faster than expected

[waxen meteor]

you gotta reroll now

[jolly sierra]

cum

[waxen meteor]

no tier set already even rerolling now

[jolly sierra]

prepare ur fucking rets guys

this will be funny

[wise breach]

AWC 3 days after patch

[graceful ravine]

LOL

damn thats so scuffed

they have 3 days to test specs and balance

[waxen meteor]

Feels good to be a pro

I didn't add any gem to my ret gear yet

just in case new ret will have very different gem preference etc.

[graceful ravine]

no mentions of pvp in this 10.1 preview

smh

[fierce laurel]

I assume there will be flavourful trinkets that are bis

[graceful ravine]

pikas team might be really strong with thug cleave

hunter buffs and sub untouched

[jolly sierra]

bring back cosmic aegis

[fierce laurel]

Bring back my chain leash of healing absorb.

[jolly sierra]

100% sure will be zen malygite again

[potent pivot]

1 conq 1 drakebreaker

[potent pivot]

Ohhh shiiiit

[graceful ravine]

they need to do m+ solo shuffles

[fierce laurel]

Lmao. So dungeon queue.

But make it m +

[graceful ravine]

but for m+ yea

[fierce laurel]

I would at least have my second crafted piece by now if they have done that

Still at 19

[graceful ravine]

thats insane cos you got 2k games played

[fierce laurel]

Yeah.

Rough go

[karmic python]

and someone noticed how hard the assa nerf is in pvp?

[jolly sierra]

A tier as min

[potent pivot]

Ngl I would never ever want to try that

[graceful ravine]

they said that about solo shuffle too

[potent pivot]

Solo q pvp is a lot different than pve

Getting to the end of a 30+ minute dungeon and someone inting the last boss? Nty

[sharp sierra]

whats the verdict. 2 X conq daggers for assass or 1 X conq and 1 X trophy dagger

[jolly sierra]

hey look at our future elite xmog model (mid one)

[wise breach]

Shredder

That's the mythic raid version according to the blue post

Easy enough to get through M+ and catalyst though

[jolly sierra]

pvp color is the last one in the right side

[waxen meteor]

not bad

[fierce laurel]

Isn’t that just the wod or mop set again?

[jolly sierra]

seems like wod pvp s1 set

[fierce laurel]

Yeah.

[jolly sierra]

the lock set seems like a bfa set

[gritty sphinx]

for Solo Shuffle, what is best to play, Sub or Ass?

[pale storm]

sheesh that rogue set with the darker/black elite (if it is similar to the lock elite colourings) will be insane

[jolly sierra]

hope the tint is not that lock pinkish one for all pvp elite sets

[bold bison]

if they made the grey deeper and the pink hot pink it would be a sick elite colourway

[graceful ravine]

any leaked pvp mounts?

[inner yew]

Any recommended builds for sub rn?

for 2s

[jolly sierra]

not yet

[fringe merlin]

Not like we’ll get the pvp mount 😂

Only a small handful are getting glad this season sadly

15 inflating a week for 10 weeks is only like 200-300 total.

Being 2.1 plus right now is insane in 3s

[copper maple]

Is there any way to undo item conversion at the catalyst?

[jolly sierra]

maybe he was talking about vicious one

[graceful ravine]

i hit 2.3 in 3s this season

then got nerfed 3x since then

now im doomed LOL

[fringe merlin]

Damn bro that’s wild

Congratulations

assa nerfs we’re huge 😦

[graceful ravine]

theres no hope in sight

[proper heath]

What’s this graph ?

[harsh steppe]

LET'S GOOO

[languid ravine]

thats what rating this guy at at which times

[toxic yarrow]

Cool get 1400 kappa

[harsh steppe]

soonTM

[potent pivot]

I replied to your earlier question already

It’s also in the faq

[sharp sierra]

My b

i missed it

thank you!

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

I don’t think so

[waxen meteor]

i think anything with a 5 seconds countdown before you can redeem

you cannot undo

[waxen meteor]

omg, my rpal got a 60

[rain verge]

Jesus assa sucks now

[gritty sphinx]

yes, I think I will stick with Sub now

[spark egret]

I think thats mythic

at least that's what wowhead has it listed as

we don't really know tbh

but its so good

DK is also super good

so is pala

and warlock

[jolly sierra]

i said the model, not the tint

[spark egret]

oh ok

[jolly sierra]

the tint will probably be the pinkish one tho

ew

[spark egret]

it's still so fucking good

[jolly sierra]

welp

the design is pretty good

gladly will farm it

[spark egret]

ye thats what I mean

we'll see in a couple days

ptr drops soon

[jolly sierra]

i'll go ret for this patch till nerfs tho

assa is A tier tho but better get something new than something present but nerfed

[novel lake]

starting to mess around in solo shuffle... is there a time of day when queue isnt bad?

[proven kayak]

i have fun with sub but after hitting certain rating im bored any other fun melee to play cus dh is boring af i tried it and its boring

or maybe i shall play caster like ele or smth

[gleaming pawn]

try Ret, it can be quite challenging to be successful but it's also poised to be super broken in 10.0.7+

[jolly sierra]

ret challenging?

is literal just charge 3 holy power for seraph and wings and then go brrr

yeah, is funny af

[gleaming pawn]

challenging in that when pressured, you can die really easily

and once your bubble is down, you're not long for this world

[jolly sierra]

that is the only issue

but the dmg is EZ af

question, is EU lagged for u?

ah i see the problem nvm

[dull bridge]

if you want complex rotation you can try outlaw or ww

if you want complex decision making try survival

kyrian shadowdust outlaw was peak gameplay for me, you had something coming off CD every global

[jolly sierra]

look, for BM

[dull bridge]

they also made most of the changes not apply to pvp

[jolly sierra]

like barbed and cobra

would be ridiculous

[dull bridge]

yeah i didn't think that shit was going in pvp anyways, surprised they even kept the KC buff in. at least they nerfed their cd

[jolly sierra]

xd

[potent pivot]

the priest set is god tier

[dull bridge]

BM is lowkey broken imo, dead simple rotation, very easy to have %100 uptime

[spark egret]

it is very good

[jolly sierra]

BM is S tier RN

[scarlet shell]

stun the pets and the hunter is useless

[dull bridge]

yeah just ward his jungle

[winter seal]

Don’t push past river

[unborn portal]

One sec guys just winning blizzcon 2024

Lmaoo

[little sequoia]

Image 1: havoc dh to 1800
Image 2: Sin rogue to 1800

Hmmge

[unborn portal]

A win is a win

[sharp sierra]

Rogue
Assassination
*Garrote base damage has been reduced by 45% in PvP combat. (With realm restarts)

[jolly sierra]

shut up pichu

[sharp sierra]

i love u too

[jolly sierra]

furry

[sharp sierra]

lol

[graceful ravine]

any high rated rogues here? how are the assa nerfs in shuffles? noticeable or?

[jolly sierra]

played at 1k9 bracket

and won 5 and then 4 in a row

dunno if it counts

[torpid swan]

Anyone have any advice for a thug cleave (sin/surv/pally) struggling against melee cleaves?

[sharp sierra]

Is there a breakdown for sub's burst rotation with Clarity and Secret Tech? Is it Cheap--Blades--Clarity--Symbols/ColdBlood--Secret Tech? Or does clarity fit in elsewhere? (for 300k+ secret techs)

[sharp sierra]

ty

[waxen meteor]

hmmm i am pretty sure my team had 5 kills before last round, how comes i lost last round then quit as 4 win

there was a hidden tie?

[jolly sierra]

how weird

[waxen meteor]

45 mins queue now...

[jolly sierra]

F

[tribal bay]

warrior is so fucken fun js

[tribal bay]

execute crits to close off a kill outisde cooldowns is just such a valuable thing to have and is extremely satisfying.

[tribal bay]

i suggest reading thru the icyveins guide its written by shadenox hes a good player

[sharp sierra]

@tribal bay shadenox wrote the sub guide? he's definitely insane but afaik he's a sin player. i'll look at it though. e: and so he did

[waxen meteor]

Normally good players plays everything great...

[tribal bay]

he's a rogue player lol

i assume he just plays what's good at the time

is all this disabled in PVP

[sharp sierra]

not really. he's the anti-nahj. only touches sub when it's undeniably better than sub. like the first weeks of SL. otherwise he's predominantly a sin player. based on his youtube posts

[jolly sierra]

but he still plays well the spec, even if he doesn't like it

remember a lot of multiglads and r1 plays well the class itself, rather than just 1 spec

[dull bridge]

does the new item go into the neck slot?

[dull bridge]

the item for these gems

i went through the troubles to find out that it's a ring, which is great

[sharp sierra]

jfc. all I said is that i was suprised [a mainly sin rogue] would write a sub guide. He's the petkick of sin rogues, so I understand he would write the sin guide. But, similarly, if petkick wrote the frost guide, i'd be surprised.

[dull bridge]

idk if you're ever hitting a 300k st without shit like dark arch or prey

[sleek belfry]

i mean a lot of multiglads are just generally good at rogue, without actual micro understanding

like pikaboo

[dull bridge]

mine hits for 250k against a cloth if i have the sophic proc up

[sharp sierra]

almost def not in a real situation. but against a target dummy it "should" hit more than 300k. but i cant get it consistently.

[sleek belfry]

not enough people play this game for pvp to be competitive. so like comparing a r1 3v3 player to a challenger lol player in terms of game knx and micro just doesn’t work. shouldn’t idolize too much

[proven kayak]

If you think that chall is harder than r1 in wow you must be a bit lost

[sleek belfry]

l

[dull bridge]

it's probably your procs switching it up.

5cp
dance symbols
kidney
er
Evis
ss
st

with blades up ss gives 4 CP so if you get a techniques proc you might miss the animacharged CP on the 4th CP - might use a /stopattack in your st macro

[sleek belfry]

you need to turn away from your target to avoid sht

that’s always been true

and the % of lol players that get challenger is about .01 too, with like 70000x the player base so you’re cooked Ank lol. let alone the skill cap difference between genres

but of course you don’t actually know that

[dull bridge]

what percentage is rank 1

Challenger is %0.01

of the ladder

[sleek belfry]

the point is the player base is MASSIVELY larger for lol. and it’s compensated so you have higher skill “pros”

[dull bridge]

comparing the skill of the players of 2 games has to be one of the dumbest dick measurement contests I've seen

[sleek belfry]

i’m saying don’t idolize one random r1

as per the conversation about ass one tricks vs multi spec players

palumor just learned in the middle of this season that feint reduced damage by 20

[tribal bay]

exactly

[grizzled basin]

Do new stat buff apply to on going bleed / poison ?

For example I have rupture and Garrot up on the target, I use tea, the mastery buff applies to those already existing bleeds ?

[sharp sierra]

You goto reapply the rupture with the mastery increase and also shadow dance for bigger rupture if you wanted

[plucky sage]

Well you can write a guide and not be the best of the best at that spec. He plays it to a high enough level where you will benefit regardless. Likewise, a R1 sub rogue might be crap at writing guides, take for granted all the information that a noob doesn't know and skip over it.. whereas shadenox has experience writing and making guides and so there we are. You don't need to be the #1 player of a thing to be able to teach it. And yeah, pros play "rogue", not just one spec. I've become better at rogue since I forced myself to play all specs

[harsh steppe]

when should I be using shadowblades since it can bug out in the opener?

[chrome schooner]

Waoh my feelings

I'm actually the one idiot who played SL S1 as Sub after the first week and before 9.0.5 Covenant buffs, arguably the worst moment out of the entire expansion though :p
I can play Sub quite alright

It's just that I generally dislike how they made it work at the moment, the gameplay is not pleasant imo, so I'm not investing my time in pushing comps with that. Run run run, get the correct spells back run in, gouge/blind/stun, step Kidney press oneshot run again, there's more thrilling

[harsh steppe]

also should i be spamming shiv every time it's off cd? or save it for when i really need it

[bold bison]

how do you guys deal with lobbies as Sub where people can't live for more than 1min? I always need a few goes to help set up a win, but I just got 1-5ed in a lobby where my teammate died early every game while I'm still trying to get through ppl's CDs and get their trinkets

[harsh steppe]

cry

[minor cape]

you can peel

[minor cape]

nah

shiv is a very powerful tool for slowing melee dudes

[harsh steppe]

sweet tysm ❤️

[minor cape]

or maybe making your target stay in bomb sometimes

[harsh steppe]

oh good idea

[minor cape]

you can just disable a warrior sometimes by just shiving him

you can also fight a shived warrior by abusing bigger attack range

and not take any damage

[harsh steppe]

ok sweet tysm
what about shadowblades? can i use it after my ruptures since i can't use it in my opener?

[minor cape]

why cant you use it

in your opener

i do at least xd

[harsh steppe]

apparently it messes up with secret tech

[minor cape]

nah it doesnt

how so?

just do like

er - cb - st

when you have 0 combo points

pretty sure it will be fine

[minor cape]

nah man

er gives you 2 3 and 4 combo point

you just have to be facing away or using stopattack so you dont accidentally get a proc of shadow technique

otherwise on 0 cp you can always get a blue point st

you can sometimes hold your shadow blades if you are sure your opener will be fucked

but if you dont press blades you loose a lot of damage

[harsh steppe]

oh wait so i can use it in my opener? this is the ideal opener rot in the guides, but i've been avoiding using sb at all because of this mess up burst thing he said, i think the writer chimed in too on it as well a while back
but you're saying i can do the rot as planned if i face away after when? or attach stopattack to secret tech?

[minor cape]

yes thats kind of it

but you know

sometimes there is no way to press kidney

cause no combo points

if its opener and shit

so you have to press dance and then kidneu

[harsh steppe]

yah i've been doing cheap shot > ss for combo points for the opener's kidney

[minor cape]

i did that first

but i found that dance kidney is best

[harsh steppe]

ooo really

[minor cape]

you can cheap another target and then dance kidney main targeg

this way you only DR once

and then you can cheap the kidney target

and thats more stun

than just cheaping

but might be wrong

🫡

[grizzled basin]

Ok thanks

[harsh steppe]

oh nice
so if i make my macro like this, i can start using sb in my opener again?

[minor cape]

i never used stopattack and i just face away

[harsh steppe]

probably better to do that, what skill are you facing away after?

[minor cape]

but the idea is you have to echoing on 0 combo points, NOT hit your target while you are on gcd and then cb st

faving away after Er

[harsh steppe]

i think i get it, sorry still learning w/ my smol brain lol
so i can safely macro shadowblades into my main buffs macro & as long as i face away during er on my opener, i'm good?

[minor cape]

yes

but make sure you can pop your stuff without blades

and pop blades w another button

also

[plucky sage]

You're right. 6s + 1s > 2s +3s

[harsh steppe]

tysm

[tawny kestrel]

np

[drowsy oyster]

Great discussion. Learned things..adding to my docs

I run a different spec but echoing will happen too later

[proven kayak]

Does people really run secre tech anymore

[drowsy oyster]

I use 1 of Perturb's variations and LOVE it for RBG/BG/WPVP

[pale storm]

Can you link?

[drowsy oyster]

BUQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFAAABAAAAAAAESSSikAJSSCkAkkkkkEHoISSDJJlkEARAAAA

I use that 1. Suits my playstyles

will link the guide as well which features perturb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p7NvhGfPO4&t=674s

[pale storm]

Awesome, thank you 🙂

[drowsy oyster]

there's a Sin guide too featuring Raz but that spec is for later so i won't link that. esp since i enjoy it alot less haha

[pale storm]

Yeah, I’ve watched the sin one, little outdated since the specs got updated and a few things I wouldn’t personally do, but looking to jump into Sub

[drowsy oyster]

Nice. Getcha

[cosmic seal]

Hello there
How does the nerf of assa feels?

[minor cape]

i also play that one

but most people here prefer

the ER and dark brew

stuff

but dudes the opener shown in this video is not that good for arena

especially shuffle tbh

[drowsy oyster]

that's what i love about it. i stick to it until i "master" it then when i need to i'll just switch things around easily because i understand exactly WHY i picked the talents i picked + how they feel when i play with them. and later when i choose to change for whatever reason i know exactly why too. i prefer that over copy/pastying blindly like most people

[drowsy oyster]

exactly, the more chaotic/less time the more adaptations are needed. the way it should be

[minor cape]

i just mean the gouge thing

its not that hard to master you just gouge and do normal opener but have one more cp

[harsh steppe]

i love gouge so much

💕

[drowsy oyster]

oh ya makes sense. thanks for clarifying. @minor cape / Gouge as sub is soo fun hahaha. addicted to using it now ❤️ @harsh steppe

[harsh steppe]

ahaha yep

[minor cape]

demon hunter should be immune to gouge and cheap shot

cause they are blind

[drowsy oyster]

and getting a "free" combo point for it feels so satisfying lol

[minor cape]

yeah but results in a slower opener which leads to getting stunned and fucked

[drowsy oyster]

i just meant in general while in combat. / ya,true

[harsh steppe]

i put it on one of my spamming keys since i'm still new & it's literally improving my cr just by randomly pressing it lol, learning to use it properly slowly is icing on the cake

[minor cape]

same, i put it into a more comfortable keybind

when i realized how good it is

[drowsy oyster]

exactly this! the keybind part + what hyper wrote

so i started at where hyper was once i began using it and now it's a high priority keybind

[minor cape]

free half sap 🫡

[drowsy oyster]

i didn't realise players use their thumbs for more than space so i will slowly begin practice that and see where that takes me. that's a long-term learning project so won't rush or prioritise above other things

[drowsy oyster]

yes

[minor cape]

zxcvb are awesome keybinds

[drowsy oyster]

indeed. i have gouge on c

[harsh steppe]

what can i take off for improved shadow techniques?

[drowsy oyster]

backstab is 1 option but im guessing that build synergises with it but the "cap stones" don't lend themselves to too many options

quick decisions is another addiction of mine

2nd row the solo one

[fierce laurel]

No you need 8 to go down.

[drowsy oyster]

true

forgot

only reason i tried answering was to learn from it haha

and "helping" with a direction for him to go towards depending on how hyper prioritises. knowing what you don't want also helps at times

[jolly sierra]

didn't saw anything different after reset TBH

[fierce laurel]

Like that’s the standard build for a reason. You could take the vanish shield out or something but the reality is that you don’t need imp shadow tech.

[jolly sierra]

a little slowpoke, but all rogs i met in pvp as sub are using it xd

[fierce laurel]

5% damage is better.

[harsh steppe]

ahh ok tysm mercer

[drowsy oyster]

ya, in my mind i didn't see a "real" option that would make me choose it with what i know now. while up til last month i prioritised wrongly from a damage perspective

but i also didn't care for damage since i wanted to learn about control first of all. then after a few rbg games when my cr hit 1.6k it felt wrong not to begin prioritising damage

i use oldschool core values when deciding what to learn. like the pros from like 2008-2014 ish

[languid ravine]

this guy gets it. Me personally I use zxcv to toggle between actionbars similiar to alt mod

[drowsy oyster]

the modern "meta criers" just arent my cup of tea. rather deep learn for mastery longterm

thanks for adding that @languid ravine

[bold bison]

I actually think vanish shield is way better than veiltouched in the dog leagues where healers panic and can't keep you up vs. melee cleaves

so many teams under 2k just run at the rogue and win

[languid ravine]

its a little bit tryhard but eh my neurons can no longer handle anything less xd

[drowsy oyster]

haha

true @bold bison for me i'll use what feels right depending on the problems i feel i'm having but since so many are religious about following the top 1 player etc i stay silent @ certain stuff haha

[harsh steppe]

@minor cape tested out what we spoke earlier and i’m doing big deeps now, tysm again! gonna use /stopattack on ER for now having a hard time turning away to miss that proc during gcd, hoping /stopattack doesn’t hinder me in any way, but def already seeing big results, ty

[drowsy oyster]

same reason i try things others are scared of. but then at least I have the understanding of why it fails in all situations. until i suddenly need the thing that is said to "fail"

[minor cape]

💪💪

[bold bison]

keep grinding king, glory awaits

[bold bison]

true that, I am using this off-meta dog build:

also with 2 x Deeper Strat instead of Echoing. I think Vanish CDR is too much fun, and Flag is a good guaranteed kill on so many classes

[graceful ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKSIcPAdr7s&ab_channel=WoWDaily

hahahaha bis clip

[bold bison]

lmao I've never seen Xaryu get salty before

[drowsy oyster]

nice, will keep that build for future reference when i test new things out

especially since i like having different ways of bursting

with flag my 3rd fake burst could become close to dangerous. interesting. time tells

[drowsy oyster]

I've seen him salty x times x years ago but nothing actually came close to this. The Gym Xar is a different breed than the old gamer Xar

[graceful ravine]

anyone would be on tilt

entire enemy team at 5% and you lose in 5 seconds from full health

[drowsy oyster]

He actually wants to kill someone // @graceful ravine True for most (98%++). But I view shuffles as "whatever you plan fails so improve at adapting". And that's before even entering my 1st shuffle cause I'm learning other stuff

It's like the oldschool Gladiator mindset; focus on what you can control and adapt to the rest more and more

[minor cape]

why flage

and not rotten

[bold bison]

300k SecTecs

once I've got through a sap go, a blind go and bomb go there's usually someone I can tap inside a duel

flag takes my mastery from 80% to 140%, big stonks

[minor cape]

whaaaa

how does that work??

i might take it instead of rotten too

[bold bison]

it's gimmicky, but it slaps

[surreal barn]

I get on some kinda win streak and they throw a double prot pally SS in for good measure

😂

[bold bison]

flag > kidney > duel > dance/blades/symbols > evis > strike > sectec

[minor cape]

sounds cool

i should give it a try

[drowsy oyster]

thanks for the breakdown!

entire breakdown*. the stuff above included

[pale storm]

is there any point you could change to picku p cloaked in shadows?

[drowsy oyster]

i'm the wrong person to ask since i'm early in my learning curves but someone more experienced will answer. single best discord hands down 💯

also, not that usual crying about nerfs 247 rofl

[dull bridge]

pojke syndrome

getting too bored of just healing so you want to go cc and end up throwing the game

[graceful ravine]

why bother cc healer at 56% dampening lol

[proven kayak]

That doesn't sounds bad

Up to what rating you play this

[hoary bear]

hey guys

since the latest assa nerfs, how do you think about sub?

is it worth to switch or is assa still the way to go

[tawny kestrel]

u can play what u want

both assa and sub are good

[jolly sierra]

tbh i didn't noticed anything w assa

[sharp sierra]

is outlaw that bad?

haven't tried that yet

[tawny kestrel]

its quite shit

but u can play it

[sharp sierra]

i wonder if blizzard does this on purpose when all 3 specs are dps

not wanting all 3 to be viable

[tawny kestrel]

all of them are viable

assa and sub are just significantly better than outlaw

[sharp sierra]

ah

[torpid swan]

wait i dont get it. isnt the idea to stop attack after echoing reprimand so it doesnt mess up your anima charged sectec?

so shouldnt stock attack macro go at the end of ER?

[minor cape]

thats what we figured out later

[harsh steppe]

yes, i put it after ER
you can just turn away too

[sour coral]

question about the drakebreaker stuff if im low level and pick it up will the upgraded stuff be equal to the level 70 version when I upgrade?

[pale storm]

In conjunction with these changes, Gladiator’s Distinction will no longer provide 10% CC reduction and the new season’s professions items will no longer grant 5% CC reduction.
https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/1541381-feedback-pvp-updates-in-embers-of-neltharion/

[spark egret]

Holy fuxk

Blizz removing blind sap

I'm done

[harsh steppe]

lol

[spark egret]

This company is dogshit

[harsh steppe]

looks like we are getting a couple nerfs too

[spark egret]

Holy shit

[nova viper]

[spark egret]

Fucking dumbfucks

They better buff our damage

[sour coral]

Looks like its a control nerf across the board tbh

[spark egret]

To compensate for this shit

[bold bison]

this is DOGSHIT

[novel karma]

That probably opens a window for damage buffs yeah

Maybe sub can do actual damage again

[nova viper]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-rogers-nightmare-clown-gif-5401671

[little sequoia]

HAHAHAHA

[nova viper]

Hello i'm rouge

Im pvp

[sour coral]

if everyone's cc is adjusted its fine if its just us its not but judging by warlock and shaman and spriest being on the list looks like they are addressing all the long cc.

[nova viper]

Where my Red nose

[wise breach]

What the flying fuck is happening

[unborn portal]

holy fuck lmao

my rogue after seeing these notes

[spark egret]

here's the issue

[sour coral]

oh yeah this is a nerf to ALL pvp cc not just us

[spark egret]

you buff damage on a class coming out of stealth

so the community whines rogue 1 shot out of stealth

cause they nerfed control

lmfao

ac tually mentally deranged brain damaged devs

[fierce laurel]

Wait. Is this real

[unborn portal]

yep

[sour coral]

ALL pvp cc is being nerfed

[spark egret]

it doesn't matter though

[sour coral]

6 seconds seems to be the max duration they want

[spark egret]

our whole class is built around CC

lmfao

[wise breach]

Note that trinket cc reduction bonus is being removed

So for most cc this is not a huge change

[sour coral]

Critical strikes now deal 150% of base damage and healing in PvP combat (was 175%). thas gonna hurt

[spark egret]

why

so everyone rolls orc

again

??????!?!?!?!?!?!

hello?

[wise breach]

Fuck

[spark egret]

no shot they are this fucking stupid

[wise breach]

Didn't even think of that

They have to remove Hardiness

[spark egret]

that's the reason it exists lmao

[harsh steppe]

but i just switched mains to rogue...

[little sequoia]

Rip

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-turn-around-kid-wrong-door-gif-4930555

[spark egret]

welcome to the circus

[sour coral]

looks like orcs back on the menu boys

[fierce laurel]

Of hell yes.
Sub is back to Cs x x x cs x cs x combos boys.

[spark egret]

@potent pivot please come

I beg you

help us

[bold bison]

I would literally rather see 'Rogues deal 50% less damage in PvP' than this blind/sap change

fucking gorillas

[sour coral]

its not just a rogue stun change its everyone across the board. adapt, overcome, be better instead of whining

[fierce laurel]

ROGUE
Dagger in the Dark (PvP Talent) has been redesigned – Each second while Stealth is active, nearby enemies within 12 yards take an additional 2% damage from you for 10 seconds. Stacks up to 6 times.

[sour coral]

Ditd was a dead meme talent and idk this might make it ..okay?

[shrewd canyon]

Blind duration decreased to 5 seconds in PvP combat (was 8 seconds).
This change is intentional to playtest Rogue’s not being able to Blind into Sap.
Sap duration decreased to 6 seconds in PvP combat (was 8 seconds).
Kidney Shot duration decreased by 1 second per combo point in PvP combat:
1 point – 1 second
2 points – 2 seconds
3 points – 3 seconds
4 points – 4 seconds
5 points – 5 seconds

this is roughà

[sour coral]

the interrupt change was weird imo

[nova viper]

Rouge is meme again?

[wise breach]

Kidney change is fine, it's 5.1 seconds now, 5 seconds in 10.1, it's whatever

As long as Hardiness is reworked

[chrome schooner]

the pvp set bonus doesn't go away

where is this post anyway ?

[sour coral]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2634343-Patch-10-1-PTR-Development-Notes-PvP-Druids-and-Cross-Realm-Guild-Notes?p=54062795#post54062795

enjoy

[idle matrix]

Yeah, wait, now we have zero 7s CC options available. No flag caps?

[stray tusk]

Not much of a PvPer but sapping out of a blind seems like something that has been a thing since the inception of PvP, this seems like a brutal change

[wise breach]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonflight-embers-of-neltharion-ptr-development-notes/1541379

[sour coral]

IMO its not the end of the world because ALL cc is being changed. these are global changes, not just to us.

that crit one though is gonna hurt

[idle matrix]

Not even sap n' cap, though.

Nothing lasts long enough to cap a node.

[spark egret]

it hurts us the most

[spark egret]

because we are balanced around CC

[wicked rampart]

Yea the only super meaningful things are going to be the blind change and the kick change for rogues tbh

[spark egret]

other classes arent

[stray tusk]

This class is supposed to control the battlefield

[idle matrix]

Not even sap n' cap, though. Nothing lasts long enough to cap a node.

[keen dune]

Rip blind into sap

[spark egret]

specifically because we have more CC than any other class

we have less damage to compensate

[tribal badger]

the rogue one is specific tho

[spark egret]

I mean assa does bonkers dam

but

still

[tribal badger]

they globalled moved 8s ccs to 6s

they moved blind from 8 to 5

and even noted they did it JUST to prevent blind saps

[fierce laurel]

You can still KS blind sap

[sour coral]

aside from a few all classes are designed around their cc. Sub maybe moreso as its a control spec but this also allows them to aleviate some of those burst talents into more base damage outside of cooldowns

[rustic glade]

welp subs actually dead in pvp now probably sin/outlaw only most likely

[spark egret]

not to mention this completely fucking ruins skill expression

[fierce laurel]

Or cs blind sap

[sour coral]

spec* not classes

[spark egret]

[idle matrix]

It means we literally have to kill a target to cap the node now.

[sour coral]

and no its not dead, everyones quick to OMGDEADCLASS nowadays its silly. Adapt, this is nothing new

[tribal badger]

nerfing crit damage is rough for law sustain

laws already pretty mid spec for pvp

but hopefully they tune around that sorta stuff

[stray tusk]

This is quite literally unprecedented

[spark egret]

this is the problem

rogues have too much CC

forums and reddit "wahhh rogues too much CC"

blizz nerfs CC and buffs damage

[idle matrix]

These changes mean we literally have to kill a target to cap the node now.

[spark egret]

"wahhh rogues kill me out of stealth too easy"

[sour coral]

yes and now it can be buffed to adjust for that nerf in cc. You can buff damage without buffing their burst now

[fierce laurel]

I can’t express how happy I am that cs 3gcd cs 1gcd cs 1gcd combos are back.

[sour coral]

But again: we'll se ewhen stuff goes live. Fotm rollers will be gone and the other folks will stay as normal

[idle matrix]

I hope that Blizzard somehow made these changes without consulting the dev, and that they'll snap them back next week.

These changes are absolutely perplexing.

[wicked rampart]

These are for 10.1, we have plenty of time for iteration

[sour coral]

plus lets be fair everyone will be playing ret paladin come that patch to get in on its bustedness

[spark egret]

everyone rolling orc again cause blizz literally has the memory of a goldfish

[sour coral]

12 days iirc?

[dull bridge]

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what the actual fuck

[spark egret]

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[rocky basin]

5s Cc on a 2 min CD lol

[idle matrix]

Not having a 7sec CC for anything means no capping nodes without the kill.

[wicked rampart]

Man Tricks gonna come back to this channel burned to the ground lmfao

[sour coral]

https://tenor.com/view/on-fire-pizza-gif-6074641

[spark egret]

he'll see the patch notes and he will burn with us

[keen dune]

New awesome pvp talent “added 2 seconds to blind” -blizzard (probably) 🤡

[fierce laurel]

Did they forget to change disarm?

[idle matrix]

Oh, yeah-- CDC is probably right ^^

[wicked rampart]

No disarm effects are over 6 seconds are they? They probably felt they were fine there since it's not total loss of control

[dull bridge]

they did not

they gave survival hunters disarm

[idle matrix]

"Teacher, wait! You forgot to assign us homework over the weekend!"

[sour coral]

stuff like shadowy duel and smokebomb I think are where blizz wants to focus when it comes to rogue specific cc as those are fairly unique instead of different flavors of stun

[fierce laurel]

They dropped affixiate from 5 to 3 so it’s not just cc over 6 that’s effected.

[nova viper]

They should remove all rouge cc

[idle matrix]

But not touch Rogue CC

[wicked rampart]

They also didn't touch gouge

[sour coral]

y'all are so whiney its hysterical

[wicked rampart]

So obviously they felt some things were fine where they were

[spark egret]

removes an interaction thats been in the game for 20 years

"yall are so whiney"

[dull bridge]

you ain't seen any whining mate

[spark egret]

and it's not just on the pvp side

[jolly sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNv2RHR62Rs

welcome

[spark egret]

we have a collective 0 notes for balance in pve as well

[dull bridge]

these are obviously big changes and everyone is righfully astounded

[fierce laurel]

Lmao. Gouge 1 sec less than sap.

[sour coral]

things change embrace it or reroll shrug

[spark egret]

or

blizz can fuck off

[pale storm]

blind into sap has always been a staple in the rogue class, back in tbc/wotlk only good rogues did it, now everyone knwos about it, but it is literally the rogue flavor, losing that uscks

[spark egret]

and go quit over work from home

and get some better devs

[jolly sierra]

now gouge will be a staple

[dull bridge]

i can't believe one thing they changed was fucking dagger in the dark

the talent everybody hates

that they didn't remove for some reason

[sour coral]

yes blind into sap was also friggen cheese. Chain CC like that is fun for no one(aside from the chainer tbh) a predictable move every time

[idle matrix]

Yes, but Sap and capping was not cheese. It's a part of the class.

[harsh steppe]

🤡 notanymore

[sour coral]

Sap capping IS cheese dude

[idle matrix]

Not having any 7s CC is absurd.

[pale storm]

ninja capping bases is WHY you play rbgs as a rogue

[dull bridge]

"everything i don't like is cheese"

[idle matrix]

No it's not cheese. Defenders need to stand far away enough from node to avoid it.

[dull bridge]

god forbid classes having unique identities

[sour coral]

Ninja capping yeah, sure why not. Sap capping? is horrible, while it gets the job done its just dirty

[dull bridge]

it's rogue - it's supposed to be dirty

[spark egret]

you main mage

you're dead to us

[idle matrix]

They should put a 10s duration on Stealth.

[spark egret]

leave the discord

[sour coral]

Clearly blizz disagrees sub is shadow rogue now

[fierce laurel]

Poly capping trap capping fear sapping.

[idle matrix]

It's too cheap.

Such a cheese.

[spark egret]

literal mage imposter

typing misinformation in pvp channel

[sour coral]

lmao

[spark egret]

I'm on to you

[sour coral]

oh no I havent been playing rogue since 2004 and dont see the baseline issues with its playstyle whaaa

[fierce laurel]

Honestly the blanket cc duration and crit reduction will turn everything into a dampener meta now.

Like RMP is done.

[idle matrix]

"NotaHunter42069"

[pale storm]

Shotzo the type of mage to not put up a table at start of a game

[spark egret]

SE

I TOLD YOU

HE'S A PLANT

we got him boys

[sour coral]

considering Ive been here longer than you? sure. a plant why not

[bold bison]

legitimately removing the ability to blind sap is a massive nerf to the skillcap of rogues, one expac ago we could reliably kidney sap. it's not a free interaction, it costs us a dance or a vanish, but it's a gamewinner, if you restrict the ability to do that we're just a stinky windwalker, or DH, or DK with one off micro-CCs for healers. i absolutely hate that change

[fierce laurel]

Both fire and frost mages just took 1/7 damage cut.

[spark egret]

nah just fucking with you bro

but I am not happy

rn

[sour coral]

is fair to be angry about the changes tbh

but its not just us that its hitting

[pale storm]

it takesd away from class identity

[sleek belfry]

has nahj reacted yet

lol

[sour coral]

this is a global control change as it seems like they want dampening games for more "viewership" for arena /rbg events

at least imo

[dull bridge]

i don't know man dampener games aren't really that fun to watch

i watched ret warrior shaman mirrors on awc, shit was awful

[sleek belfry]

honestly if they didn't include this precise language: "This change is intentional to playtest Rogue’s not being able to Blind into Sap."

but that just salts it lol

[sour coral]

shows more skill than blowing all your cooldowns in a short game swifty style and leads to longer viewers which means more ads which means more money

[sleek belfry]

talkin about my boy gaetan troll camp in awc lol

[jolly sierra]

blindsaplol should rename himself to gougeblindsaplol

[wise breach]

But then you DR your sap

[jolly sierra]

fuck forgot it

[sleek belfry]

blindsapdhnow

[spark egret]

no one is watching

arena pvp

0 people

none

it's dead

wow esports is a non starter

please

[sour coral]

they do when it involves giving away a free mount lol it friggen 3d prints money for them

longer games means more ads means more people "watching" its all statistics to them

[spark egret]

no one is watching to begin with

0 x 10 is still 0

lmao

[sharp sierra]

Lmao did they just nerf rogues again.

[jolly sierra]

HAHAHAHAAH

[spark egret]

oh brother

[sour coral]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-joker-batman-here-we-go-gif-3430376

[sharp sierra]

This is hilarious why are they hating so much on rogues lately

We do less damage, our cc is gone now too

Just remove rogues from the game

[dull bridge]

kidney is maim now

btw

[sour coral]

This is a global pvp change, the biggest change is that sap /blind one but people will adjust

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleto-skeleton-fire-hell-burn-gif-26129219

rogue disc rn

[sour coral]

or they'll just reroll, either way

Rogue still maintains its niche with stuff like shadowy duel and smoke bomb imo

[fierce laurel]

Kidney blind sap

[sharp sierra]

I expect a lot of people will not play rogue much anymore at this rate

[fierce laurel]

RMP is dead. Flat out

[sharp sierra]

Horrible changes to a class whos main objective is control and xx

[jolly sierra]

seems like that

[sour coral]

Disagree, the people that enjoy the class will adapt and adjust as always the fotm will go to the next popular thing

[dull bridge]

this is just flawed logic

everybody must give %20 of their apples to the monarch now
apple harvester loses %20 income, orange harvester loses %1 income
orange harvester to the apple harvester: stop bitching everybody lost %20 of their apples

[sharp sierra]

I feel like blizzard at this point is purposely sabotaging pvp out of their game

[dull bridge]

rogue was the cc class - obviously they get hit the hardest by these changes

[sharp sierra]

They really just want people to pve or nithing

[sour coral]

we still have more CC than the other classes in question and unique ones that are outside this (Again: shadowy duel/smokebomb) This is literally a change to prevent sap capping and stuff for longer games watch they are gonna push out another card game mount for watching pvp streams or something with 10.1 im willing to bet money on that

[languid ravine]

Let's pretend for a second that Blizz will somehow manage to not completely break the game for a few months: Maybe it is a good thing that rogues can no longer CC one guy for 30 seconds in a row

[sharp sierra]

Is hunter freeze trap getting nerfed too

Its like 7 secs