pvp

[tribal badger]

we're back boys

👏

[jaunty mirage]

Lmao

If you press it enough time though it adds up to 380k

[tawny kestrel]

outlaw feels a tiny bit better now

still shit but ye

[spare drift]

Anyone know any good open world PvP streamers? Hoping to find fun content on Twitch/YouTube for rogue, (similar to bajheera for war or solitarypop for hunter)

[raven cliff]

I got like 200 honor, 0 conquest, and something like +76 rating - though my matchmaking value decreased

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah previously you wouldn’t get anything

[jolly sierra]

previously u wasted ur time in queue basically without any changes in your score

[jaunty osprey]

bruh

3-3 last 5 lobbies on this guy and down 33 rating

[stable urchin]

fml got into a lobby with a tank

rip

[spice harness]

does orc racial now decreases stun duration by 10% more then pvp set bonus ?

I thought it was 5% more

that makes it pretty good right

[proper heath]

It is.
PvP Trinket set bonus 10% + Crafted Piece +5% = 15%
Orc Racial 20%
5% Total Increase.

[proud moat]

Does Sub want the tier set?

[spice harness]

ah right crafted piece, damn

is it still best horde spec for rogues ?

[proper heath]

For Horde? yes. But go Night elf to be competitive.
Undead is also not bad.

It's not bis. But if ur horde, you ahve options

[spice harness]

Yeah I wanna be horde

[rose wigeon]

ew horde

[raven cliff]

What do I do against a Demonology Warlock or a Beastmastery Hunter in arena? Like there's no way for me to get away and reset, so I'm basically cornered as soon as I leave stealth

[jolly sierra]

survive 3 rounds

[jaunty osprey]

are you playing sin?

if so, why are you trying to reset

[tribal badger]

does sub even go for resets anymore

most sub players im seeing in soloq just run during goes to try to los the cds not to try to reset

and otherwise play it like sin between dances (maintain some ruptures, be disruptive)

[jaunty osprey]

they def dont

but if he was sub, at least he could farm for dance off the pets

[proper heath]

While getting farmed

by the pets

The irony

[waxen meteor]

do we know when 10.0.7 will arrive?

[raven cliff]

No, I'm playing Ass

Oh, and I'm Assassination also

[jolly sierra]

around april

[jaunty osprey]

Sin is Ass, same thing lol

no reason why you’re trying to reset

you don’t wanna lose your pressure

keep your bleeds up and keep pressuring em

[tribal badger]

lining is still valuable as you still line most of their damage if you line the casting pets/bm pets (cant cast KC) during goes

but ur not doing it to get resets and its actively reducing ur pressure

so keep that in mind

[raven cliff]

[humble python]

Whats the difference between rotten and finality builds for sub? and how does the burst rotation change if I play one or the other? And I also see a few rotten build run gloomblade, whys that? And why does most sub only use 2 set and not 4 set?

And why does number 1 sub in solo shuffle Howton not use any tier set?

[fierce laurel]

You take ER with finality

[fierce laurel]

Tier isn’t worth losing verse mastery.

[jolly sierra]

question wtf is this?

a guy dropped it shortly before dying in a bg

[raven cliff]

"Go dest" they said
> I sit on the Destro while the others sit on the Aff
> I switch to Aff instead
> The others switch to Dest

[harsh steppe]

what ranking is this specifically?

[raven cliff]

2400+

[wicked rampart]

It's also a fairly low drop rate from the boxes

[harsh steppe]

oh god fml
ok tysm

[wise breach]

Yeah it's M+ or bust for those effectively

[unborn portal]

I was human then switched to NE

ne is goated

[waxen meteor]

it's very low drop rate

or i am just super bad luck

[severe hazel]

guys how do u open with sec tech build and echoing? do you make sure that sec tech always hits a blue point? i find it quite hard / not reliable

[tribal bay]

use echoing at 0 combo points then secret tech straight away and it will be on a blue point

might have to slightly turn your characteer around so it doesnt auto attack and give you a free combo point

[severe hazel]

how do you approach the opener tho keeping target stunned and getting the combo points from dancing

[tribal bay]

read shadenox's icyveins guide

it's pretty good

[severe hazel]

aight will do

[tribal bay]

has all the different openers/what stuns to use etc

[severe hazel]

havent seen that one yet

thanks bro!

[tribal bay]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/subtlety-rogue-pvp-guide

[crimson cape]

When should I get slice and dice up? Assassin. Garrote x2, rupture, mfd, kidney, shiv? S n d? Echo? Venom spam?

[tribal bay]

lmfao

hemotoxin from 35% to 30%

huge nerf assa's dead bois

[harsh steppe]

did I make this right? this does no damage seems like

[final vessel]

well the macro isnt gonna change the damage.

/cast Cold Blood
/cast Secret Technique

[jolly sierra]

fuck i got a demo/surv/destro match

barely won 2 times

[tribal bay]

when are you using it

has to be inside dance and at 7 combo points

[upper wing]

How’re the outlaw buffs

[harsh steppe]

yes

[tribal bay]

how much damage is it doing

and whats ur ilvl

mine hits for at least 300k

[tawny kestrel]

dispatch crits for around 50k now

[harsh steppe]

pvp ilvl 412

[tawny kestrel]

plus minus

so its not that awfuol

awful*

[tribal bay]

what are we looking at here

this is healing done

[pale storm]

That’s healing done, not damage

[harsh steppe]

Oops

[tribal bay]

also

if your target moves after secret technique it wont hit 3 times

which is what happened here

[harsh steppe]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[tribal bay]

so you use secret technique and it hits them once then 2 invisible "shadow clones" hit another 2 times

[harsh steppe]

so i always have to stun before

[tribal bay]

thats why its crucial to have them stunned

yep

[harsh steppe]

ahhh ok tysm

[tribal bay]

and this probably wont apply seeing as their stunned but just to be aware

if you take acrobatic strikes then secret tech is bugged with that talent and the same thing happenms

it will only hit once from 8 yards so you still need to be within 5 yards for it to hit 3 times

[harsh steppe]

yes i use that

ahh ok tyty hopefully they fix that soon

[potent pivot]

just depends how much burst you're trying to do. if you're talking about in your first kidney opener, then you can leave it for afterwards. gar, shiv, rupture, ER, envenom etc

can get slice up after kidney falls off usually, don't really want to waste a global of your kidney on SnD

for sub? i don't think i've seen anyone playing seal fate ngl

[harsh steppe]

does it hinder me in anyway to have slice & dice and shadowstrike on the same keybind on my stealth bar

[potent pivot]

i was talking about stratagem on the class tree in that context - i think a lot of the top sub rogues have been dropping it in comparison to ER

[potent pivot]

not really, considering you will almost never want to cast SnD during a Dance really

[harsh steppe]

sounds like a small but in there

[potent pivot]

only time i can see you wanting to cast SnD during a Dance is if you're go goes terribly wrong and you're running off mid-Dance and wanting to press SnD

super niche almost never gonna happen kinda thing

would always be better off trying to rupture or evis before running off

[harsh steppe]

ah ok
is it okay to use skills on my stealth bar period? seems sketch to me but maybe it's cuz i just started playing rogue

like is there lag time or something when it switches

[potent pivot]

i have all the same exact things on my stealth/non-stealth action bar spaces

there is a small delay yes

[harsh steppe]

ah ok

[jaunty mirage]

yeah i was talking about deeper strat

[potent pivot]

for example if you have backstab/shadowstrike on the same bind, you can accidentally press backstab after Dance is active if you press Dance->strike bind too quickly

[harsh steppe]

is there a way to just turn off the stealth switch for the action bar?

[harsh steppe]

ok ty

[jaunty mirage]

just recently ive seen a bunch of people playing dark brew with deeper strat instead of ER, is what i was saying

[potent pivot]

i'm not sure if you can in blizz settings, idr, but i know you can with addons

[jaunty mirage]

not really sure why, cause if youre playing deeper strat idk why dark brew build would be better than rotten but im also not r1

[potent pivot]

idk i feel like i've seen more people swapping the other way around

[harsh steppe]

ok cool tysm ❤️

[jaunty mirage]

swapping to what though?

[tribal bay]

it is a pve build if you took that its because you would take gloomblade as well and try do damage outside a go which most ppl dont do

[potent pivot]

towards ER

[jaunty mirage]

main build most of DF has been dark brew with ER

[potent pivot]

it was a bit more mixed before

between stratagem/ER

[jaunty mirage]

ahh well idk then haha

[tribal bay]

thats the sub pve build

[jaunty mirage]

ahh ok

[tribal bay]

it sims for the most damage

so people playing that are trying to do damage without any pvp talents

[potent pivot]

what

there are some top players that play deeper

[jaunty mirage]

what does that mean

do damage without pvp talents

[potent pivot]

it's just less than before now, iirc

[tribal bay]

ignore left side of tree

only take damage talents

[jaunty mirage]

ohh ok

just purely going for max damage

[tribal bay]

yes

[potent pivot]

think we're talking about 2 different things

[tribal bay]

but

[tribal bay]

kind of

[jaunty mirage]

i guess it would be max sustain

[tribal bay]

yes

[jaunty mirage]

since im pretty sure rotten build is still the most burst

[harsh steppe]

what's the best way to do this secret technique stun while in dance?
dance > kidney > er > tech?

[harsh steppe]

oh boy

[tawny kestrel]

remove shadow blades

[tribal bay]

how come?

[jolly sierra]

we have the author here

[tawny kestrel]

cus it wont do anything for the burst other than fuck up ur anima charged combo points more than likely

[tribal bay]

ahhhhhhh

bro

true

thats so annoying

[tribal bay]

if you also keep it on a separate bind to keep track of it still u can macro symbols into dance to make it easier

plus cb+sec tech are already macro'd so it's not as bad as it looks

[harsh steppe]

tysm ❤️ yah it doesn't look that bad with a few macros, tysm

[jolly sierra]

wtf is this

2 demo locks in a row

[harsh steppe]

but don't i want this part of sb during that rot?

[tribal bay]

well the thing is if shadowblades gives you extra combo points it could totally fuck up your burst because secret tech wont be on a blue combo point

[harsh steppe]

& i guess I need shadow dance, what should i take off for it

@tribal bay ahh is there no way to prevent this?

[tribal bay]

your builders dont do enough dmg

for the 50% to be make or break

[bold bison]

O_O 300k? I have 82% mastery and I can only hit the dummy with 0% versa for 260k max

[tribal bay]

mine hit dummy for 300-350k even without cold blood it still hits for at least 250k sometimes 300k

[bold bison]

wtaf

[fierce laurel]

5% magic dam or vanish shield or step cd

[tribal bay]

5% magic damage isnt that good

i'd get rid of that

[tribal bay]

thats why actually

0% versa

versatility is giga buffed in pvp

i have 30% vers then high mastery from lariat ig

[jaunty mirage]

from what he has selected, id say vanish shield or even replicating shadows would go first

[hoary bear]

ty for the tip my man

[bold bison]

ye but

that's all stars aligned, weapon enchants procced, symbols, badge

82 mastery 32 versa, only think is the lariat proc, but it's not THAT much surely?

[jolly sierra]

i think i will drop hemotoxin

xdd

[harsh steppe]

@tribal bay @fierce laurel tyty

[tribal bay]

replicating shadows is a lot of damage

vanish shield depends on rating imo

when healers are learning its good to have

[tribal bay]

dance macabre stacks

[sharp sierra]

i can see your reasoning

but other talents suck ass

[bold bison]

what rotation are you doing for a 300k sectec? the one above is kidney dance evis ER sectec

[tribal bay]

i dont use ER thats probably why

i felt like all my animacharged combos weren't actually hitting for 7 like they're meant to

[harsh steppe]

so i'm trying to make the 3 main buffs as simple as possible, including badge, obviously a tryhard would have a billion keybinds for everything, but my brain can only handle 2 atm...
should i macro badge, symbols, dance on one, & blades, badge, on the other? i was going to originally go with shadow dance & badge / shadow blades & symbols of death, but i want to keep that symbols/dance for the rot above, & idk if i can handle 3 macros for different buffs... or should i?

[tribal bay]

you could probs macro dance/symbols/badge into 1 macro

then just use shadowblades separate

u dont want shadowblades macro'd with badge because it knocks u out of stealth

[harsh steppe]

perfect! tysm

[tribal bay]

as long as you also have them on another keybind tho

because they wont line up like that

[harsh steppe]

just bought two of these to retain my old main's name, decided to main rogue let's GOOOO

[unborn portal]

Why would you do that

Do you think we’re having fun here?

(We are)

[tribal bay]

LOL

why not just slightly change it

all my toons are Notfat(x)

[harsh steppe]

no way the name has to be perfect lol

[potent pivot]

@unborn portal

[unborn portal]

What

I didn’t ping

[potent pivot]

Someone must’ve deleted their own message

[unborn portal]

Ask the mods it wasn’t me

See the thing is

I don’t have any shame I’ll just ping

@potent pivot

[jaunty mirage]

yeah it does but it sort of depends on the build youre going for

[dusk spindle]

Just lost like a days worth of SS because a monk and warrior was throwing

[unborn portal]

[jolly sierra]

dropped a lot today, but won some cr

tomorrow will continue

maybe i don't need to play at nights

[proper heath]

It's weird. At the start of the season. I refused to play with Gouge. And now I can't see myself playing without it.

Growth...thats growth

[waxen meteor]

ok after fucked by weird pikaboo game i had been losing till now

finally took a break and got a 60

still more to climb

[waxen meteor]

I am taking gouge now as well...

I refused to use it as well at season begin

there were a couple of scenarios that i felt i do need it

it's surely not that useful in all games, but the replacement talent doesn't seem to be too powerful anyway

[jolly sierra]

join the gang guys

[dull bridge]

gouge is the best spell in the game after kidney shot

[proper heath]

I think we didn't need gouge because people died in the opener.... gouge who? They ded. 🙂

[waxen meteor]

there was one time, a mage after my intruption just went all ahead casting and killed my teammate in front of me

i was like man, i need some

he was also dying but priest is healing like crazy close

if i had a gauge would have won

[lost hemlock]

@potent pivot yo you got a second?

my boy @full ferry needs some help with the pvp basics if you're free

[waxen meteor]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1068193089342165092

[lost hemlock]

ye he might need a slightly more personalised introduction thats why i tagged notrickz

im sure he'll help him out when he's back

[waxen meteor]

for sure!

[proper heath]

What @potent pivot gives personalized help? I didn't know that!
he never gave me any 😦

I didn't know that package was available.

[graceful ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ayvINxBGM&ab_channel=WoWDaily

haha

[jaunty mirage]

Lmao

Not wrong

Best counter to rogue since like bfa has just been another rogue

[graceful ravine]

so will rets be meta in 10.07

should i be preparing an alt

[waxen meteor]

go for it

paladin anyway best class for mog

can equip almost anythin

[full ferry]

dm me if you can!

[jaunty mirage]

Bm hunter

Insane dmg already and they are getting a buff

[graceful ravine]

im inclined to think theyll tune that down

[jaunty mirage]

They did

[graceful ravine]

the 10.07 changes?

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah

[graceful ravine]

oh i see it

[jaunty mirage]

The initial buffs have been tuned down but it’s still a bunch of dmg buffs without pvp modifiers for a spec that already did maybe the most damage lol

That kill command buff is actually wild

Also watch out for MM potentially

[graceful ravine]

no rogue changes for 10.07 yet

[jaunty mirage]

Death chakrams still hasn’t been given a pvp modifier on that buff

[graceful ravine]

but i would bet nerfs inc

theyre prob waiting til after awc to nerf rogues

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah probably

Just gonna shift to a sub meta most likely

[graceful ravine]

hunter buffs with sub meta

gg

[jaunty mirage]

Assa will get nerfed and they will give some small random buff to sub and it will be the best spec again

Yeah honestly

If they let that chakram buff go live

Thug is gonna delete anyone without an immunity in the opener

MM chakrams is currently like 80k damage lmao

[proper heath]

What are chakrams irl

[jaunty mirage]

Isn’t it like a thrown weapon

The circle things

[proper heath]

that can't be real irl

Like a real weapon used in wars

[jaunty mirage]

Apparently it was

[jolly sierra]

indian used it

[waxen meteor]

Hunter is very different playstyle than rogue though

I had a hunter in SL s4 right before it ended

but honestly i felt so strange playing it

[waxen meteor]

many combos to learn

and tbh cheat death on kidney cd is a must learn

and btw, cheat death kill HP bar is annoying as fuck

lol was happy with a 5 mins queue

end up with only 5 people entered

First time ever seen this

it's not blocked you to enter because 5 out 6 clicked on accept

6 accepted but 5 entered

game dropped before round1..

[proper heath]

lol

[jolly sierra]

is notrickz dead?

[waxen meteor]

Is there a enhancement buff this week?

i see so many of them this week

[proper heath]

yep.

and fury warrior

[grizzled basin]

QQ: doing a skirmish during solo shuffle queue is delaying/pausing the solo shuffle queue ?

[harsh steppe]

what's better?

#showtooltip Shadowstep
/cleartarget
/cast [target=focus] Shadowstep
/targetlasttarget
or
#showtooltip
/cast [target=focus][] shadowstep
i've seen both macros suggested, not 100% sure

also are there any macros not suggested in pins/faq that are good to have that most don't know about that may be nice to have?

[plucky sage]

Well, I don't see the point of adding clear target and then target last target. When you focus (action) anything, you get to keep your current target which is essentially the same thing

[harsh steppe]

yah that's what i was thinking

[plucky sage]

So for me, it's just:
#showtooltip
/cast [@focus] Shadowstep

Or target=focus whatever

[harsh steppe]

ty

[orchid plinth]

Unless there is a bug in the game which Shadowsteps your target instead of your focus when your focus is out of range

[plucky sage]

I use in game modifier options for focus anyway. Haven't had that issue personally

[raven cliff]

I'm using this sap macro from the #pvp-faq

#showtooltip Sap
/cleartarget
/targetenemyplayer
/cast Sap
Thing is, it doesn't seem to work for finding stealthed enemies? It targets the nearest player, but if someone shows up between me and my current target it doesn't clear my current target or switch target to the other player

[potent pivot]

[harsh steppe]

anybody know what this addon or wa is called that shows pika's skills that he's pressing?

[tawny kestrel]

trufigcd

[stable urchin]

isnt it better to just make arena 123 and spam those? I swear i see so many complicated macros that make no sense. keep it simple make your own macro

[harsh steppe]

ty raz

[raven cliff]

Possibly. My issue is that cleartarget doesn't seem to work for targeting a new player closer to you once you have a target

[stable urchin]

now that i googled it people say arena 123 is unreliable so idk

[raven cliff]

#showtooltip
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/targetenemyplayer [noharm][dead][stealth]
/cast [@target, stealth][stealth] Sap
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
And speaking of keeping it simple, I'm trying this one now. Seems to work fine against target dummy. Will try it in SS and report back 😄

Nope, also unreliable..

[stable urchin]

honestly i stopped using any

i dont care i just hide and wait xD

[potent pivot]

Did you put /cleartarget then /targetnewtarget

Or enemy player after the /clear

[potent pivot]

Imo it’s the most reliable way of targeting, besides things like sap macro where you may want to sap someone out of stealth etc

[stable urchin]

does anyone know if unhinged can proc inside duel? thinking about cheesing some games with a war friend

[whole moon]

this is going to be a super open-ended question but what should my goal be in the sort of "downtime" between opener and trying for a kill. really new to actually trying at this game lol. are you swapping targets trying to keep bleeds applied to everyone or more just focusing on one or 2 and peeling or cc when necessary (arenas/shuffle).

oh I'm assa btw

any help appreciated :) dms open too

I think rn my biggest problem is just a lack of knowledge of other classes spells and spell interactions

[hazy pewter]

I'm not the guy who should be answering this but mines been 1: trying not to die, 2: setting up for the next go (getting bleeds up, maintaining stuff, positioning, etc)

[unborn portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/212658070986162188/1081211404935237813/image.png

[stable urchin]

trying not to die is the best advice anyone can give you tbh

i got to 2k as sub trying to learn the spec simply because I have 2 vanishes lol xD

i dont even have my burst down properly yet

bleeds on multiple targets is always nice if you can do it

[unborn portal]

you playing rupture build on sub?

[stable urchin]

was talking about assa but sure rupture does alot of damage as sub too

[fluid plover]

Shuffel simulator is pretty free for assa, just play around go's don't tank to much dmg your still a leather user. you face warrior dk/ret/monk just trinket spear stun and insta evasion

[whole moon]

thanks homies. youd be surprised just how much stuff seems like common sense for someone thats played for a long time but is completely lost on new people

[unborn portal]

I really enjoy the cast sequence macro I got from here

for step kick

only one I use

[whole moon]

does it work with 1 press or do you have to press it twice

i was trying to figure that out yesterday

sequence just dictates the order right

[bold bison]

man i'm getting dumped right back down into the dog leagues as sub, I've just gone 2-4 in four consecutive lobbies, I don't know how to play around games where a WW, DH or Frost DK puts everyone on stun DR first global then dies before I can even do a proper go

I almost feel like I'd be better off playing a full duel one-shot cheese build honestly

[jaunty mirage]

Dayvanie has basically advocated this

Swap to a normal build once you’re out of the rat leagues

[bold bison]

what's the difference between a cheese build and a regular SecTec/Dark Brew build?

flag?

[jaunty mirage]

yeah basically

cheese build goes just shy of the rotten

and you essentially just take flag instead of rotten

[bold bison]

aah it's a totally different build, is there somewhere I can see the build?

[jaunty mirage]

i dont have a link but you could prob just check either of dayvanie's rogues

im sure the sub builds are the same and afaik thats the main one he runs

[waxen meteor]

cheese is significantly harder after this week HP buff for me

was like at the edge to cheese

but lots can get out of duel with like very low HP

[jaunty mirage]

yeah

i mean

its just closer to the SL version of the cheese now

[waxen meteor]

but obviously if you get to cheese with a 70%HP dude it's over

[jaunty mirage]

yeah

thats what the SL one dance build did

get everyone's trinket and then hve someone help bring kill target to like 80%

[waxen meteor]

and tbh more and more healers knows how to react

[jaunty mirage]

yeah thats the big one atm

[waxen meteor]

i don't even know myself it those aoe stuff actually works

[jaunty mirage]

ive gotten feared more in duel by priests this week than at any other point

[waxen meteor]

but healer are throwing stuff to the area

and those fucking 500k+ HP locks

not cheesable

[jaunty mirage]

lock legit needs to be at 50% or less before you duel lmao

[waxen meteor]

it's actually easier to cheese melee

[jaunty mirage]

for sur

its easier to cheese almost anyone over a lock tbh

id rather cheese disc priests than locks

[waxen meteor]

yeah i was playing sub even last week and run into double 500K+ locks

i think the lock actually had multiple gear to swap

the first game i was able to cheese but then next game he got significant higher hp

[jaunty mirage]

lol

[bold bison]

how do you send the cheese, flag kidney duel dance evis strike sectec?

[harsh steppe]

how am i supposed to get my combo points up for the first go kidney?

[bold bison]

hit stuff

sap healer, cheap DPS, shadowstrike x 2 on kill target

[harsh steppe]

sap doesn't give me combo points?

[bold bison]

but cheapshot on one target and shadowstrike x 2 on another will give you enough for a kidney

[harsh steppe]

ahhh ok perfect tyty!

oh wow that's perfect

[wintry dew]

never did

[harsh steppe]

yah i misunderstood snorkle's reply aha

https://tenor.com/view/imma-be-honest-im-a-noob-connerbobay-im-just-starting-amateur-newbie-gif-19069154

am i messing something up? thought i'm supposed to blind > sap offtarget always? at least that's what pika said in his guide?

[sleek belfry]

they legit need to mute chat for shuffle

i wonder how many temp bans increased with shuffle release

[potent pivot]

The first dance talent also gives some points

But yeah you can just build beforehand

Typically want your kidney done before pressing Dance

[harsh steppe]

ok sweet tyty

[wicked scroll]

How is sub rogue in pvp? does anyone know?

is it good atm or

My friend and i are playing outlaw/prot warrior and he thinks sub might be better for this comp, i'm not sure though. I dont have very much damage when i play sub. Maybe im trying the wrong spec or something

[wintry dew]

all 3 specs are good, cant say for sure about outlaw, but from what i read and see, all of them are good

but also, all of them have a different role in an arena

[wicked scroll]

I dont think sub is viable atm though

anytime i play it i just die

[wintry dew]

how long have you been playing sub?

[wicked scroll]

only a few weeks, but i've played outlaw since legion :P

[wintry dew]

https://check-pvp.fr/solo-shuffle/eu/all-realms/all-factions/4/259,260,261/rating/desc/1

[wicked scroll]

my friends keep telling me that sub is really good but i just don't see it haha

[wintry dew]

thats the rogue ladder

a lot of sin rogues because we super strong in the current meta

[wicked scroll]

ahhh

i've been watching a few outlaw rogues and it looks super good once u get the hang of it in pvp though

some mawrat guy i think

[wintry dew]

yet the top 10 rogues, 6 are sub

[wicked scroll]

i recognise im bad at it

i just enjoy the outlaw rogue spec the most :D

[wintry dew]

thats solo shuffle ofc

top 15 is raz, he's frequently here in discord and he plays outlaw

[wicked scroll]

ahh yeah i heard about raz

hes good

[wintry dew]

Besides him we have a lot of high rated players here so hangout a bit and they will eventually pop up

[wicked scroll]

ahh nice :D

[unborn portal]

ZEN

[wicked scroll]

omg hey mack!! I'm just trying to learn rogue haha ;)

[bold bison]

What is this mean trolling, can’t you see we’re all hurting from massive 5% hemotoxin nerf Zen, no need to rub salt in the wounds

[wicked scroll]

:(

[hazy pewter]

every time I look at rogues armories from 3s they're also mostly sub

iono if they're all just loggin off in sub or what

[wintry dew]

Solo shuffle my man

You gain individual rating for each spec

So i guide myself from there

I can't trust 3s queue BCS i don't really watch any streamers 😦

[plucky sage]

Not at all good

[plucky sage]

Sub wins rogue matchup Vs Assa afaik, so a lot of the pros end up playing sub because of the giant mass of assa rogues on ladder. I could be wrong but I think I recall Raz saying something along those lines on stream.

[hazy pewter]

makes sense

[plucky sage]

The only people able to make outlaw work in shuffle are really good. And Raz himself being the top outlaw, says it's dogshit if his teammate isn't doing damage.

Think about it, Assa and sub do bleed /shadow damage, outlaw just does physical. And yeah outlaw has a shorter blind CD and CDR on vanish, but no burst. Sub has the same advantage of strong cc but also does 5x bigger burst than outlaw ever can.

[copper maple]

Getting tolviron in a ranged dps lobby in soloq is such a torture

Never felt more useless

Also had a personal record of 33 mins of queue @ 1600 mmr

[wicked scroll]

I dont trust raz hes kinda sketchy with his replies lol

[proud flint]

how is sin in pvp atm guys

[plucky sage]

Well try outlaw, you'll see. It's not just Raz, pretty much everyone that plays it says the same

[plucky sage]

Great

[proud flint]

what about the nerf tho

[plucky sage]

I also tried outlaw, even got all the right stats for it.

[plucky sage]

5%? Come on.. that didn't break the spec

Not even close

[proud flint]

I thought going sub.. i see many going sub atm so i thought the nerf is kinda crazy

xd

[plucky sage]

Sub is good because of lots of cc

And that works out well in shuffles

Assa still very potent and totally viable

[proud flint]

sweet

[wicked scroll]

i think when a good outlaw rogues plays the spec it'll be so good

its a hard spec to play

[plucky sage]

It doesn't do much damage

Pros are playing to to see how far they can push it

Doesn't mean it's objectively good

But hey, if that's the playstyle you enjoy then by all means..

I'm an outlaw main, but I keep it to PvE. Went Assa for PvP because outlaw felt so bad

[wicked scroll]

ahh i see lol

[plucky sage]

Also gearing for Assa means I can easily switch to sub if I want, whereas committing all my conquest to outlaw stats was gonna limit me to exclusively playing that

[wicked scroll]

Nah im just waiting for like pshero or mawrat to stream more outlaw and i think they can easily get top of ladder

[jolly sierra]

now i decided something new and started doing cheap shot in off dps if is melee, some of them even trinket it lol

cheap shot, silence the off and main target if is caster and then kidney in main one

[unborn portal]

outlaw many apm, scII training school

[copper maple]

I'm tired of being put into games with 0 cr people. You'll be lucky to not lose any rating, to gain some you better 6-0 every game.

Also the 30 min queues make me miss sitting in lfg.

[unborn portal]

they are not “really” zero cr

There is invisible mmr that Carry’s over between specs

So like if you’re 3k assa you’re not gonna be in zero cr lobbies as sub

[harsh steppe]

wake up earlier, that's what I do @copper maple

[unborn portal]

Mondays are free games in NA idk if it’s just anecdotal though

[gleaming pawn]

that's just the casuals trying to get games in before reset

[sharp sierra]

i think i found out which class is the most popular

[plucky sage]

Nahj streaming outlaw right now and answering a bunch of questions about it.

"sub is good because you can cc and put pressure on the enemy team. Outlaw has no pressure, like none." His words not mine

[unborn portal]

[plucky sage]

Other thing he said "even at only 2400, it's hard to win games as outlaw. There's not much you can do to stop your team from dying"

[potent pivot]

It’s actually doing quite well IMO

Can be a bit more tanky than assa, but not quite as tanky as outlaws potential with CDR

[unborn portal]

[potent pivot]

Trolls

[vocal surge]

He's not wrong about it too lol

[wicked scroll]

[vocal surge]

Once your team starts dying, the best you could do

would be Vanish --> cheap shot people for 3s

and then lose all the damage you had going

or Shadow Dance -> Cheap Shot

and once your rotation breaks, that's all your damage gone

whether it be bad luck from no opportunity procs or being CC'd long enough to put you back to square 1

Damage can also be random

Could pop all your CDs and the most you do is 200k before people CC you (This is far more common)

or you would absolutely shrek people for +500k in 6s (~2% of all matches has this happen for me)

Talent wise, you can only really run GSW + HO since its the only build that does damage that would make people react

Every other build does no damage due to builders doing no damage or just straight lack of energy

[plucky sage]

"outlaw is trash. One of the worst specs in the game right now. They do less burst than healers." Nahj, 1 minute ago 🤣

[vocal surge]

Yep

You know what I found funny

was people paranoid for Outlaw's return

people pointing fingers at our set bonus like it'll be the unnerfed version

[dull bridge]

i was excited for dispatcher but it's impossible to use in pvp

[jolly sierra]

still recall the guy which called me toxic elitist because i said outlaw was underperforming at start of DF

[dull bridge]

why would you play outlaw to do sustained damage when you can play assa and do sustained damage without requiring 0 ramp and minimal uptime

[keen warren]

cuz having a gun is cool

[jolly sierra]

cuz fun tho

[dull bridge]

don't get me wrong outlaw is my fav spec in the game

it just excels at nothing

[jolly sierra]

at least u admit it

XD

[keen warren]

I only play law and it is def pretty junk

[jolly sierra]

i used to play outlaw in BFA

then when i become competitive around s4 switched to assa

[ancient scroll]

Is assa easier to learn compared to sub? Kinda want to get into pvp but as a rogue

[jolly sierra]

yes

[hazy pewter]

https://www.twitch.tv/dyllbarx/clip/NaivePoisedMoonPunchTrees-rVyMlJaAt2HH4wGi?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

[proven kayak]

20 seocnds of cc nothing dies and almost rogues die XD

[jolly sierra]

how the fuck endured that amount of time alive that poor monk

[jolly sierra]

ffs how common become demo locks recently

literal almost all my matches has 1

[tribal badger]

tbf outlaw had better kill pressure early in the expac

because it hadnt received like 3 nerfs yet and nightstalker bug made dance a legit kill window

when it lost that it became much harder to get kills

[jolly sierra]

thought nightstalker was bugged and just was flavour

[tribal badger]

yes thats currently

for the first month of the expac or so nightstalker was bugged and adding 0 damage to any ability except ambush which it gave 50% additional damage

then they fixed ambush

(and left it at 0%)

so ambush did 50% additional damage for all of dance

[jolly sierra]

and now?

[tribal badger]

now nightstalker doesnt do anything

0%

[jolly sierra]

F

[tribal badger]

yup

dance windows were legit "burst" windows in pvp for law in those first few weeks

cause ambush and the HO procs off it were all doing 50% more damage during dance

quite nice

[jolly sierra]

yeah seems like

[tribal badger]

honestly one of the biggest thing feels like it suffers from rn is 100% of its current build damage is physical

feels like vs heavy plate lobbies you just dont have good kill targets

u do so little damage vs armor

[jolly sierra]

can agree, and don't bypass dmg like assa

but what about find weakness?

[tribal badger]

even sub does a fair portion shadow now

FW is nice but its not full armor bypass

still feels rough if u gotta train a plate

outlaw just plays like a sustain damage dealing kill enabler which sub just feels better at rn

(cause sub can also kill people with a setup and can setup more often then law)

and has more bleed/shadow damage as well

[jolly sierra]

i see

[tribal badger]

i still play law and i love the spec, just wish you had any option to do semi "burst" damage

[keen warren]

At least we beat up mages real good

[jolly sierra]

did that buff felt well this week?

[tribal badger]

it feels alright

realistically its a very small buff

for HO builds (which r pretty much the only thing to play in pvp rn) dispatch is like 15% of ur damage so a 15% buff on it is only a ~2.25% buff to ur raw pressure

maybe some people will try out kir builds again or more finisher heavy builds but they seem pretty bad

[jolly sierra]

better than nothing tho

if u are lucky, perhaps will have ninja buffs like assa in shadowlands around s1

just buffing stuff cuz yeah

[dull bridge]

they forgot why they added enduring brawler and moved the Stam to the class tree

then nerfed it because it was too good in PvE 😄

they have ptsd from shadowdust so they walked back on all of the SL s2 changes

[jolly sierra]

petition to ban prot matches pls

gotta go sleep, hope tomorrow can win more and get back my shit

is impressive how this kind of matches calls the worse of each one lol

[vocal surge]

i'd say its more that armor wasnt as high

and there was a lot less stamina and damage going on

[tribal badger]

could be its a mix of a lot of things

[vocal surge]

yeee

[tribal badger]

adding stamina to the game was intended to slow the game down tho, feel like outlaw benifits from slower games where less kills happen in short windows

but the armor scaling def hurt

that being said, you could legit 100-0 someone in a dance with procs when the bug was live

ambush was hitting redic hard

[vocal surge]

I dont think stamina slowed the game down

[tribal badger]

like doing as much damage as it does now in full gear w/tier

[vocal surge]

but Float like a Butterfly

since we used Elusiveness for the 30% damage reduction on feint

and spending CPs reduced Feint's CD

The stamina from Enduring Brawler (20 stack) was just the cherry on the top

not to mention Prepared For All

for DF

Outlaw suffers from big things

Talent Tree strongly oriented to PvE, lack of energy (Fatal Flourish nerf), and builder/finisher damage

[tender ferry]

Lack of finisher damage goes for all rogue specs

Why the fuck does Evisc/Dispatch hit for less than builders

Rupture hits hard for sub/assa but that’s about it

Secret Tech hits hard but it’s a meme

[potent pivot]

evis can hit pretty hard. how is tech a meme?

[tender ferry]

Evisc can hit hard if you have finality and all of the modifiers

Tech is a meme because it’s an optional talent with a lot of cheesiness surrounding it

[potent pivot]

i mean that's kinda the point in having all of the modifiers though

it can't hit hard outside of that or it'd be broken inside of them

[tender ferry]

A 7pt finality crit Evisc hits for maybe 70k

[potent pivot]

i don't think tech is really that much of a meme, it hits hard

the only drawback is it ticks

[tender ferry]

Meme in the sense in that it can be buggy and has a rep for cheese. The ability itself hits hard

I just don’t like it tbh

[potent pivot]

i think their main design point has been trying to move away from major burst, dying in 1 CC cast, while also trying to keep games fast

[tender ferry]

That’s a lot of sub right now, though. Secret tech duel one-trick

[potent pivot]

if you allow evis to do too much dmg we'd just move back into a "3-2-1" set up meta for sub

it's kinda nice atm i feel, doing dmg outside of dance etc even if it's mostly rupture

[tender ferry]

Yea I love that rupture slaps as sub

It just feels so disjointed

[potent pivot]

i'd def like it if sub had more sustain

[tender ferry]

I wish we still had hemo or garrote

An alternative shadow dot build with brew

[potent pivot]

i just think it's hard for them to design it that way and keep it's burst under control

[waxen meteor]

i feel sub is awkward in design

we can see apparently designers want to kill all burst

but sub is all about burst and doing meme at normal time, (other than rapture build gives us one way out)

[tender ferry]

It’s like they wanted to move sub into a more consistent pressure play style with more dance time and fat ruptures but they still have cheesy shit to appeal to that crowd

A foot in each pool at the moment

[potent pivot]

pretty sure we have less dance uptime than we did in all of SL atm

[tender ferry]

SL was the start of that change

[potent pivot]

ah ye idk much about pre SL

wasn't around for like, MoP-BfA

[tender ferry]

Like they started in SL with more dance time and the new breakthrough in dragon flight is rupture hitting hard as shit out of nowhere

Rupture was an afterthought previously

[potent pivot]

ye

only ever used it to stop others from stealthing practically

[tame nexus]

Rupture was buffed to remedy cleave for sub

[tender ferry]

Now give back hemorrhage and have it synergize with rupture

[tame nexus]

Currently it’s higher than Assa rupture

[potent pivot]

i think that'd push sub too far towards being similar to assa

[tender ferry]

I guess

I feel like there’s a little more space for some rot

[potent pivot]

i don't think adding another dot works, thematically

and i don't think adding another dmg amp, even through a debuff, would be beneficial. with all the amps and modifiers we have atm

[tender ferry]

True

Design isn’t easy

[potent pivot]

it's almost like sub needs a short CD builder

or just a short CD ability that does actual dmg

[tender ferry]

That’s basically secret tech

But I just hate it

[potent pivot]

something with like, 8-25ish seconds max

that can be used inside or outside of Dance, and be beneficial at either moment

[tender ferry]

That’s why I’m addicted to gloomblade at the moment. I can’t play without it

Actually doing some damage outside of windows feels nice

[potent pivot]

yeah i can agree with that

[waxen meteor]

yeah you can't do double bleed for sub

tbh i feel the name assassination should be more burst

but anyway been years

[waxen meteor]

yeah i think the problem is without rapture the dmg is a bit too low

and energy also so low

[vocal surge]

current Outlaw is Sub's future lol

[tender ferry]

Dude I’ve been thinking the same. “Subtlety” implies slow and quiet to me, like bleeds or poison. Assassination implies quick and gtfo

But, alas

They’ve made their decision

[potent pivot]

well, an assassin uses poisons

[tender ferry]

Sure, an assassin uses anything

[waxen meteor]

No

[potent pivot]

subtlety-in the shadows

[waxen meteor]

Assassin uses fierce poison, not slow cooked one

[tender ferry]

But when I think assassin I think a sniper or Assassin’s creed or fuckin JFK/Abe Lincoln

[waxen meteor]

so if poison deals 100 times more dmg than today it's fine

[tender ferry]

Quick and sometimes flashy

[potent pivot]

idk i don't see anything wrong with em thematically tbh

[tame nexus]

Assa was the heavy hitter and Sub was the bleed spec in their time

[languid ravine]

What is more "subtle" than dying to creeping poison and bloodloss without noticing?
However you can also argue that "Subtlety" rogues are very unassuming and therefore maximum surprising when they clone jutsu your stunned buttocks

[tender ferry]

Definitely within the realm of subjectivity at this point but it’s fun

[tame nexus]

Later on they swapped their identities

[potent pivot]

well back then they had almost no core identities

[tender ferry]

Assa used to be fat mutilates

Sub was hemo

[tame nexus]

Yea

[potent pivot]

back then you were just a rogue imo

[tame nexus]

Then player base cried as usual for finisher doing not big dmg, etc; usual stuff

[tender ferry]

God I remember when mutilate first dropped. So hype

[languid ravine]

Sub in WoD was very precise timers on dance and a chunk of tiny offgcd generators that all add up

[tender ferry]

You hit with BOTH?!

[waxen meteor]

mutilate was a big dmg skill

[tame nexus]

Yea was lovely how you killed by control and big mutilates

[tender ferry]

Don’t mind us boomers reminiscing

Gameplay is good now, though

But it is weird how the fantasy swapped

[tame nexus]

Lol

[languid ravine]

I think it happened like this: putting the bleeds and poison onto assa felt very natural, also Pirate Rogue yarr harr

but then they were left with Subtlety and no clue what to make with it

[potent pivot]

combat rogue

[languid ravine]

so some guy say "yo mate, just make it kiddy rogue and paint it purple"

[tender ferry]

Subtlety rogue will become hokage

[languid ravine]

and thats how they swapped identities

[tender ferry]

That’s the fantasy

[potent pivot]

yes

ninja rogue, pirate rogue, hitman rogue

[tame nexus]

I couldn’t play the purple zoomer; felt so bad

WoD one was nice

[tender ferry]

Subtlety = glow purple

Dance or duel or shadow blades

It’s purple time

[languid ravine]

ya WoD one was like Burst Assa(now) but you had to burst apm your fingers and that is aka "skill"

[potent pivot]

we need real shadow clone jutsu

[tender ferry]

I was so underwhelmed by the Secret Tech animation

[languid ravine]

Sub now is make 2 macros and just spam your shit during dance every 50 sec or so

[tender ferry]

The tooltip makes it sound so cool

[potent pivot]

didn't Tech have a better animation at one point

or am i trippin

[tender ferry]

I can’t recall tbh

[languid ravine]

I miss shadow nova/Dreadblade nova 😦

from le legion

I think sectec used to be more instant or something

[potent pivot]

iirc it actually spawned clones

[tender ferry]

There should be a glyph that lets you naruto run when you sprint

[tender ferry]

Damn. Gib back clones

I was promised a clone

[potent pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXV6BN-5dJU

only footage i can find of it

they just pop in and do a strike animation

[tender ferry]

Oh shit it really did

Secret tech also has to be one of the buggiest abilities ever

I feel like it’s had a variety of issues forever

That vid was from BFA and it had issues even then

[potent pivot]

that's from right after it was fixed it seems

"fixed"

[languid ravine]

based take: Either simply fix SecTec by always hitting the main target (new clones spawn at new position if target moves)
OR accept moving out of it is part an intended counterplay

ah wait it is actually bugged with the talent isnt it

[potent pivot]

with what talent?

[languid ravine]

acrobatic strike range

I remember reading the clones wont all hit if used at 8yards from target

[potent pivot]

ahh

[graceful ravine]

2v2 is so dead you can hardly scroll down to see the entire list lol

[tepid willow]

those yolo 2s players on shuffle

[proven kayak]

2s were the boosted bracket healers looking for +400 cr of their max cr to carry em so it's ok

[vocal surge]

especially in S3/4

when priest healers were being hard carried by fury warriors

[tribal bay]

Correct

[jolly sierra]

hey look at this

[harsh steppe]

should i go ahead and make my ring & use it or just wait for my conc primal inf?

[hasty nebula]

382 vs 411 ilev way too big diff

[harsh steppe]

ahh ok tyty i'll just wait then

[hasty nebula]

get the conq and honor rings

both mastery rings

and then get good for 418 😉

[harsh steppe]

ohhh

ok ty

[hasty nebula]

its what i do at least, i think u can also get conq crit ring

[harsh steppe]

what's better, mastery honor ring & conq mastery ring, or two conq rings?

[harsh steppe]

where do you guys keybind shadowstep party 1/2

do i really need a blind focus macro?

[tawny kestrel]

u dont need anything

but it makes things easier

[harsh steppe]

trying to find keybinds for all these atm, little overwhelmed, mained mm before this & had one stun lol

[tawny kestrel]

just try different things

keybinds are personal

[harsh steppe]

yah i'm putting my target arena 1/2/3 on mouse scroll up/click/down, so i think the longer cds, like blind, i could probably not worry about

[tawny kestrel]

shouldnt just copy some1

[harsh steppe]

yah you're right, ok ty

[wicked scroll]

how big is the assa shiv nerf?

i heard its like unviable now

thought about trying assa

[sullen umbra]

I use focus blind for sure but I feel like you don't want all of these as focus macros. there are many times it comes in handy to cheap shot and kick other people.

[lilac arch]

Hi I'm getting back to WoW after a while and I would like to play assesination Rogue. Can someone send a screenshot of their keybinding and skills positions? PD: Better without using extra mouse bottons (Mine doesn't have!)

[wicked scroll]

@inland falcon can help[

[bold bison]

how did I just have the physical part of evis hit for 102k non-crit

[harsh steppe]

sorry not sure wym... so you're saying i def need a focus blind, but you're it comes in handy to have focus cheap/kick, or that i don't need those?

[wicked scroll]

you didnt

[bold bison]

but I did

[harsh steppe]

ig what i'm really asking, & i know keybinds are very personal and different things work for different people, so let me rephrase: i am very smol smooth brain, & prefer as minimal keybinds as possible lol; so i want to know what are the absolute must haves for focus macros, 3-4 max, maybe 5

[bold bison]

I play with focus blind, focus sap, focus kidney and focus step+kick

[sullen umbra]

I do not use focus kick or cheap shot

I could see focus step kick being really useful, but i think its important to have those off of macro as well.

[harsh steppe]

ahhh ok

focus step kick? what's that look like? that sounds op af

[bold bison]

it's just:
/cast [target=focus] Shadowstep
/cast [target=focus] Kick

[harsh steppe]

wow

[bold bison]

idk if it's the right way to do it, maybe it burns your extra stack of Shadowstep

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-amazed-woah-shocked-mind-blown-gif-17460895

[bold bison]

press twice within the step global and it works

[harsh steppe]

hell ya

[hazy pewter]

I wonder if its worth trying to go for the 418 ring at this point since its likely the one we'll replace with the annulet

[languid ravine]

I have this exact macro, but instead I manually click the focus nameplate, and press step and kick seperately like a TRUE PRO.
And then I use tab-target about 5 times until I shuffled through every single Hunterpet back onto the kill target

[languid ravine]

btw use /use and also use /use [@focus], because saving letter space is a good habit because 255/255 symbol macros exist, and no need to press space after ] xd

[lavish idol]

Hey, I was lucky to get the Diurna ring, is it worth using it in pvp too with flaming cowl for the proc?

[dull bridge]

doubt it

[jolly sierra]

no

is pvp nerfed

[lavish idol]

I did think so, but shaman in my group was trying to convince me 😛

[jolly sierra]

tell him to disenchant it

[lavish idol]

second question, is it worth keeping the strife item 2 set bonus or just aim for full conq gear

drakebreaker I mean

[unborn portal]

drakebreaker only applies to wpvp; assuming sub or assa you want the drakebreaker 421 gear for pieces you cant stack conquest gear vers/mastery

(belt and wrist for example)

[sharp bough]

Hello pals

How outlaw rogues can pvp in this patch/expa?

[tribal badger]

it can sure

its arguably the worst rogue spec

def not meta at all rn compared to the primary pvp specs of other classes

[sharp bough]

idc, How is the opener for pvp/rotation in this expa

2 ambush->kidney->BtE?

[unborn portal]

outlaw cares the least about opener

[tribal badger]

the opener is open > do cc > do the dps rotation ye

u play HO build so its usually ambush

could be cheap shot also tho

u dont have any burst windows

[unborn portal]

outlaw piano spec

[tribal badger]

so ur opener doesnt really matter

[sharp bough]

Ik, but with the New talents i think is a New opener right?

a

[tribal badger]

u just play HO build like its pve while doing cc and stuff

theres not really any tricks to it

[sharp bough]

Sec

Wth

Wait, at least in 2v2 explain me plz

Zap kill target->7 cp off target and cc->kidney kill target and dps with every buff on?

[tribal badger]

sure

u still do the general rogue stuff

[sharp bough]

Noice

[tribal badger]

sap the target ur not going

cheap/kidney the target ur going

do pve rotation into them

u have no specific burst sequences cause outlaw cant burst

u just sorta pve train a dude while offccing the other dude

[sharp bough]

Understood, thx ma'frend

Question, shadow dance is still worth in pvp after nerfs?

[proven kayak]

anyone tried full haste on assa?

[tribal badger]

yes u still play dance

[sharp bough]

Hm...

Kay

Dreadblades?

[tribal badger]

no

kspree

[sharp bough]

a

I'never felt kspree do damage in any expa

[tribal badger]

maybe some more people try out DB with the dispatch buff but its a dps loss in pve to ever press DB as HO build

it doesnt do damage

u use it for DR/root breaks

[sharp bough]

Is really good now?

[tribal badger]

no

none of the 3 talents u can take there are any good

u take kspree cause its a DR/root break

u dont press it for damage

[sharp bough]

It removed ROOTS?

[tribal badger]

yes

[sharp bough]

Since when

[tribal badger]

idk

[sharp bough]

[tribal badger]

i didnt touch it last expac so

but it does now

[sharp bough]

Dude

Then nice

[tribal badger]

ya it is nice

plus it has a 35% dr on it now

[sharp bough]

But it still can be interrupted?

[tribal badger]

with hard cc yes

[sharp bough]

What is that

[tribal badger]

damage reduction

[sharp bough]

a

Well the root dispell is still good

[tribal badger]

ye

plus the other options r pretty bad so its w/e

[sharp bough]

ye i see now

Outlaws can shadowstep-kidney now?

Trough evasion/parry*

[tribal badger]

yes

u get step and grapple now

[sharp bough]

broken

Thx pal time to gear myself

[potent pivot]

yes

[proven kayak]

@potent pivot any goos

D

[potent pivot]

it's fine, mastery is just better

it's playable, just does less dmg

[tribal badger]

plus mastery lets u play 2 specs if u wanna try sub out

so no real reason to go haste

gear set only works remotely for 1 spec and its not even the best fori t

[vocal surge]

I tried Dispatcher and GSW but the big downside is lack of energy, you have a lot less mobility, and CDR than HO+GSW

after that, theres insufficient damage in the builder to pressure the enemy

I will say thou

Dispatcher at max stack felt really good to use

it felt like taking chunks out of your target

[sharp sierra]

2s as hpally is so weird to play

u run out of mana just by existing

[proven kayak]

I've played mastery up to 2,4k before i did a break an now raised an alt thinking of playing it with haste

[neat dove]

when fighting dks/warlocks, why do people use gloomblade/backstab/mutilate instead of fan of knives? I feel like gloomblade and backstab especially deal so little damage, the extra combo points from FoK should be more valuable?

[strong wedge]

Is assassin dead in solo shuffle?

[neat dove]

no

[strong wedge]

Just switched back again from sub and couldnt stay alive at all. Matchup was against UH, beastmaster, ret.

[neat dove]

i mean assass was arguably already the go to target before

literal glass cannon

[tawny kestrel]

feel like thats a common misconception

u arent actually that squishy if u play correctly

if u just sit and tank all the damage then ye u will die

[strong wedge]

I was kiting away but just go from 100 to 0 after rejoining fights. Def. did something wrong but felt like there was nothing to be done.

[neat dove]

probably was the gargoyle lol

it can be worth to kidney it

[jolly sierra]

lets tell u an example

just played against dk/arms/dh lobby

won 4-2

just sprayed FoK and used battlemaster against them

and shadowstepped to healer when was needed

[strong wedge]

Thanks.

Will do that more if getting hard focused.

[jolly sierra]

think cooler

when i lose is because

1. i got very fucked lobbies (BM/demo/WW)
2. im way too nervous

[proven kayak]

Tbh I like more sub than assa in ssr nowadays

[jolly sierra]

question, are hunt bow hotfixes live already?

[sharp sierra]

wtf

[tender ferry]

What’s the point of Master Assassin on Assa if you just want to spam empowered garrotes while you can?

I’ve always taken Exsang but I’m trying to wrap my head around why you’d ever want Master Assassin

[jolly sierra]

new record

lemme see where i left my screenshot

try surpassing this

[sharp sierra]

holy fuck

XD

[jolly sierra]

restealth and proccing crits

[dull bridge]

no point

don't play MA

literal waste of talent point

[potent pivot]

up until awc everyone played MA over exsang

[dull bridge]

I'm pretty sure I've seen people play exsang

but wouldn't be the first time pros made a suboptimal talent choice lol

[potent pivot]

ye i mean before awc/early season

very few played exsang after it was nerfed

[dull bridge]

not like it matters, both are pretty weak nodes

[potent pivot]

ye

exsang just actually does something worthwhile

an extra button to press to close out a kill etc

[dull bridge]

exactly

[devout marten]

you gotta teach pvp players to exsang before the vendetta

they keep sending 5 second deathmarks and failing to kill me

[proper heath]

but in those 5 secs.

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

At least at the start of dragonflight 😄 😄

[sly tangle]

Dragonflight: The 10.0.7 Content Update is Coming Soon
Anyone know what new content they adding? Is it new raid and higher ilvl gears?

[wintry dew]

No

Just a new ring everyone gonna get

And a new zone

That in theory already exists

[tribal bay]

yes but ive literally globalled someone doing this

literally finished a round in under 5 seconds

and the next round everyones like "wtf just happened?"

[devout marten]

yeah i mean

you will still global them

if you exsang first

the deathmark bleed damage itself is piss

it's like 20k over its entire duration

if you exsang first it's like double damage

[night olive]

doesn't exsang only apply to the current dots on the target?

[devout marten]

no

well

yes

[night olive]

then isn't it best to dm first with max combo points and then exsang and just mutilate for the rest?

or am i misunderstanding something

[harsh steppe]

am i supposed to sap > blind or blind > sap

gm

[devout marten]

deathmark itself is a bleed