pvp

[waxen meteor]

Seriously

But i noticed my alt shummy here

[jolly sierra]

they announced more changes for 10.0.7

but not for rogues HAHAHAHA

[waxen meteor]

Tunny my shammy vs Davy the rogue

[jolly sierra]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-10-0-7-ptr-development-notes-for-february-23rd-much-more-class-331556

for real u were fighting against him? lol

[waxen meteor]

doesn't the name speak

[jolly sierra]

lemme check

[waxen meteor]

[jolly sierra]

dont see any rog F

[tawny kestrel]

did it

[pale storm]

ayy huge grats!!!

[jolly sierra]

gratz lol

now tell me how u chill out in high ranking

every time i climb without losing any match i panic

[tawny kestrel]

its my alt so i didnt rly care

just sent it until i hit a good lobby

[jolly sierra]

i see

[tender ferry]

Any of you skip out on bone spike or shrouded for rank 3 zoldyck?

[jolly sierra]

nope

[graceful ravine]

Grats dude that’s sick

[jolly sierra]

is weird than blizz doesn't add any hotfix in this time

maybe they are too focused in 10.0.7?

[waxen meteor]

had a fun lobby

sin/sub vs dest/demo lock

and priest + priest

[jolly sierra]

ouch

how did u ended?

[waxen meteor]

4-2

think one of the priest is just a bit better, that priest exists 5-1

sub really hates me for some reason, targets me forever even when i am with destru

[jolly sierra]

wtf

i ended 3-3 against a destro/ele/bm and pevoker/mw

the bm was almost 6-0

[waxen meteor]

i cheesed in 2s last two days with rogue/mage

mage in the end said he felt he wasn't feeling any value added from himself, just second kidney duel it ends

[jolly sierra]

oof

balanced gameplay

[waxen meteor]

so i am actually ultra scared from sub when i play sin lol

[jolly sierra]

i need to continue tomorrow, this hasn't ended yet

[waxen meteor]

damn 3-3 next lobby

it should have been 5-1

I feel so annoyed

it's like 2 dps agreed on a target, then heal yell a different target at gate open

then we have been just swapping in bad sync whole games

and that mother fucker healer did it twice

don't understand why a healer has to yell killing target out of blue, and only at gate open

[jolly sierra]

dunno

happened to me too w my alt ret

[waxen meteor]

ok 2300 again

hope i can have a good run

[jolly sierra]

gratz again

[waxen meteor]

2348

will tonight be the night

[jolly sierra]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

i still recall in outdoor when i used to kill ppl a lot a guy said i had no rio score and being a shit for that (i was active in pvp in that time lol)

[harsh steppe]

gm, will i actually be using shuriken storm in arena? guide says yes in aoe situations, but just wanna triple check

[potent pivot]

yes its also used as a builder somewhat regularly when outside of dance or out of melee range of targets or disarmed etc

[harsh steppe]

ahhh nice ok tysm!

[glossy moat]

Was tonight the night?

It’s been4 hours

[wintry dew]

Just saw the Reddit post xD

[minor cape]

my dudes

if you play subtelty build with ER

what do you use your blue points on except for sec tech

do i save them for dance eviscerates

or do i just spend them on ruptures and shit outside of dance

[tribal bay]

does feint work with fists of fury

[wintry dew]

Feint talented works with everything i suppose

[minor cape]

if you take the feint wall then yes

[wintry dew]

Or you mean the AoE?

Since fist is aoe i believe (frontal cone)

[tribal bay]

i mean the AoE

[wintry dew]

That's an amazing question... I do believe it refuses the damage but I'm not sure. But since we must likely run the talented feint, it's whatever

[stable urchin]

im hardstuck 1600 as sub 😦

its so hard

[wintry dew]

I was stuck at 1600 when randomly after equipping my PvE 4set, went to to 2.1 in a session

[tawny kestrel]

ye

fof is aoe so yes

feint even when not talented into elusiveness is good vs a lot of things

im 99.9% sure it works on secret technique too if u happen to fight a sub rogue

[potent pivot]

Ye I believe so

[waxen meteor]

No sadly, next game got a idler that didn’t move for rounds, ended up 2-4, did another game 3-3 then I just went sleep

[fierce crystal]

@tawny kestrel it does bro

[proper heath]

Hate those ! Dude is literally afk for 3 rounds and they happen to be your rounds . And then he comes back as a blizzcon winner on the other team

[raven belfry]

Soo any idea how the get omnibar and gladius working without fuckton of lua errors?

[potent pivot]

Are you sure they’re updated?

They should both work as far as I know

[proper heath]

works fine for me

[raven belfry]

hmm

i have all the newest addons but they usually run for a round or two and then my bugsack gets filled with errors

which ends up fucking up my keybinds and stuff

[potent pivot]

The only addons that have been giving me errors are DisableLOCCD and certain OmniCD functions

So I just haven’t been using em unfortunately

[lofty pine]

Is there some reason when you shadowmeld stealth in arenas that it wouldn't let you garrote immediately?

It works find on dummies, but for some reason in games it just won't apply

Maybe lag from being on an oce server or something?

[dark kernel]

What do y'all think about people commenting on arena DPS? I was told mine was low yesterday playing with an ex glad. 14K as sub and 22K as sin.

Feel like this is a weird metric, especially as sub because you sometimes have erroneous time when you don't want to shove damage and wait for kidney.

[jaunty mirage]

This in shuffle?

[dark kernel]

Not necessarily I played ranked 3s with a ret pally yesterday who has glad history.

He told me my dps was overall on the low side.

[jaunty mirage]

I mean regardless of bracket, dps is not the way you should be measuring sub performance

[dark kernel]

I figured that for Sub, but Sin he may have a point.

[jaunty mirage]

But some sub rogues can definitely pump

[dark kernel]

If I PVE arena as sub I'm going to do dog shit and have no dance for kidney or secret tech kinda thing.

Like backstab damage is white attack tier.

[jaunty mirage]

To do a lot of dps as sub you basically need to be hyper aggressive

But many times that won’t be the correct choice anyway

[dark kernel]

Right. Imo as sub you can only kill shit every secret tech go anyway.

I usually kidney dance SS eviscerate, ER cb tech and it's a kill or defensives then play waiting game.

Backstab between Go to get SnD and rupture rolling.

[tribal bay]

take gloomblade

[jaunty mirage]

You don’t necessarily need sectec to get kills

[dark kernel]

I take gloom blade when I got lingering shadows, but not veiltouchrf

[jaunty mirage]

But yeah outside sectec you’re definitely going to need help from your partners

[dark kernel]

Veiltouched

[tribal bay]

if you take gloomblade with dark brew builds you do skits dps

and you get shadowdance/secret tech resets way faster pumping 7 point eviscerates

while doing 30-40k gloomblade crits

idk why nobody likes builds like that

[dark kernel]

Got an import code

[tribal bay]

sub has really high consistent damage and burst but i think nobody plays sub like that because of how its historically played

[dark kernel]

I'm mobile ATM

[tribal bay]

i uninstalled wow

[dark kernel]

Lmao

[tribal bay]

but its not far off a pve build

tbh

[dark kernel]

So the reason I don't run gloom blade in my current build is I swap it for stiletto for faster sblades

[tribal bay]

but arena is very pve atm so it kinda works

i have stilleto and gloom

you drop improved shadow techniques and the 5% magic dmg talent

and take stilleto and it connects to the rest of the tree thru that

and you get replicating shadows from secret technique node and go finality/dark brew path

[dark kernel]

Yeah. I see that. That is a build I run, but usually only into melee cleaves.

May give it some more chances.

[tribal bay]

with subs defensives theres no reason you cant stay in like an assa rogue doing damage for CDR on secret tech and shadow dance

i just think most ppl hate the thought of that with sub because they arent used to it

[waxen meteor]

Sub DPS is low in long fight

but it has one of the best burst along with best cc

but it's normal, you can't expect people to know everything about our class or specs

[old dome]

Havent played rog since SL. What is prefered (meta lol) specs? I used to play outlaw in SL.

[dark kernel]

All 3 are very close right now. Sin is probably A+, Sub is A, Outlaw B

Outlaw 4pc is pretty banging though in pvp

[tight veldt]

like this?

been toying GB as well because it just feels better outside of dances

[old dome]

Thanks alot! Gonna try sin and see how it feels. Havent played much sin at all.

[dark kernel]

Sin is the easiest to grasp. You just want to keep 2 targets garrotted and ruptured and Kidney your kill target when off DR. The rest is focusing on living and using deathmark when the healer can't get out of CC.

[dark kernel]

I may try this. I've seen this swapping weapon master for First dance too, or removing Veiltouched.

[torpid swan]

what are the best 2v2 non-healer comps?

[fierce laurel]

One vanish??

I’d rather have two vanishes than the vanish shield.

No first dance??

[tight veldt]

i just clicked through, missed some stuff i dont actually use that

[potent pivot]

Yeah for pvp overall it’s a bad metric that way too many people pay attention to for some reason

Depends on way too many different factors that most people do not take into consideration

Your comp, enemy comp, arena match length etc

[dark kernel]

Yeah. I'm just heavily investing in pvp right now and trying to absorb as much advice as possible

I'm pretty much simultaneously watching every single road streamer there is

[potent pivot]

Biggest thing to pay attention to on details is death logs and CC

Even the enemy’s death logs can give you valuable info

[old dome]

Do I want vers/mast as sin?

[potent pivot]

Ye

There’s a gear guide in #pvp-faq

[little sequoia]

Good place to look into assassination burst openers

?

[jolly sierra]

my streak ended

-35 cr

my hands were numbing

the frost mage was deleting me outside burst, same for destro

people become sentient after 2k

fuck

seems like i cant zugzug anymore, i see

[proper heath]

Burst? Lol

We dont really have burst. We will never do secret tech damage.

[little sequoia]

I mean like

The button sequence I am using to optimally kill someone

Bruh don't delve into semantics

[graceful ravine]

holy smokes i didnt realize pika streamed this much, each box = 1 day of streaming

in a 2 yr period he only missed 14 days of streaming

[proper heath]

It shows someone who loves what they do.

He doesn't stream as a job, this is just him waking up and hanging out with his friends.

He just happens to also make alot of money out of it

[graceful ravine]

honestly if i made 1k a day id work 356 days a yr too lmao

[proper heath]

Some arenas ... you have no idea wtf is going on

[unborn portal]

ye homeboy drives a GT-R

[summer plinth]

got 1800 on my rogue. took like a week or so off. down 150 rating. won 4 of my 18 rounds this week...feelsbadman

[unborn portal]

not gonna lie

I feel like monday best day to queue

always climbing on mondays

[summer plinth]

Haha

Fridays is brutal apparently. it's been rough on ALL my characters ive tried to queue on today

[jolly sierra]

GUY 0-6

PPL WAS PLAYING LIKE SHIT

DIDNT LET ME SAP

AND JUST DIED

[rain verge]

Learning assasination is rough man

[jolly sierra]

learning my balls

[rain verge]

when yyou never played rogue before

[jolly sierra]

no way ppl just mongo run anywhere

i said

LEMME SAP

the mongo just run away to the other place

now i lose 160 cr just for dumbasses which just didnt know how to play

[unborn portal]

we go agane

[jolly sierra]

yeah i refuse to leave till i get 3 wins today

won 3, the monk was a fkn trashtalker

fuck for today

[unborn portal]

gz

[wise breach]

So boys, we're all playing Thug next patch

I know it's way too early and this is likely to get PvP modifiers, but I like to overreact

[jolly sierra]

uh oh

[wicked rampart]

I know the bow is strong but those seem like some pretty giga buffs for the reduction it's getting lol

[jolly sierra]

exccesive af

just for a weapon

[graceful ravine]

WTF

were pvp hunters using that bow?

[potent pivot]

I think some were ye

But def not all

[jolly sierra]

so now all hunt specs are S tier?

[graceful ravine]

not very common

[potent pivot]

They already are tbh

[jolly sierra]

F

[tight veldt]

nerf rogues tho

[potent pivot]

MM and Surv are much more low key than BM, but they’re both really good rn

BM is just the easiest spec in the game and busted at the same time

[unborn portal]

[potent pivot]

[unborn portal]

what do you guys use for step kick focus

I use Shift R step and shift e kick

but idk if should change

[potent pivot]

I just use focus step tbh

Typically if I go for kick I’ll targ arenaX then step-kick

But I’m weird

[unborn portal]

that is weird

[potent pivot]

Yeah I favor targ arena1/2/3 for a lot of stuff idk

[unborn portal]

I learned you can macro kick after step if you press fast enough but also have chance to step twice if press too many so thats not good

[potent pivot]

Yeah you can add a modifier into the macro for the kick

[unborn portal]

but then it will step again if I press it too many

[potent pivot]

Or just use two binds

[unborn portal]

which is what I am doing

maybe easier to press if I do step E and kick r

reverse them

[potent pivot]

Preference

[wise breach]

I do a cast sequence with a 3s reset for step kick

So even if I tap it 3 times it won't step again

[unborn portal]

can you share that

[sharp sierra]

E is my silence for every class lol

[potent pivot]

Not the worst idea sequences can just be funky

But maybe a small one like that is whatever

[unborn portal]

yeah I never used them other than "one shot" ones people made for fun

terrible normally

[unborn portal]

🤝 gentleman

[fierce laurel]

They work perfectly for step kick and sap because your client can buffer the commands

[potent pivot]

Yeah I just don’t prefer em

[fierce laurel]

Castsequence reset=3 shadow step, sap, null

What do you use to sap dhs?

[potent pivot]

I like to press all my binds individually for 99% of things

[unborn portal]

ok but does someone have the macro to copy paste idk how to make cs macros I just press button

[potent pivot]

[fierce laurel]

I just wrote it for you

[potent pivot]

Just replace sap

With kick

[fierce laurel]

Add a slash

[potent pivot]

My fingies

[wise breach]

/cleartarget
/castsequence [@focus,harm] reset=3 Shadowstep, Kick
/targetlasttarget```

[fierce laurel]

Didn’t they fix the clear target stuff

[potent pivot]

I haven’t seen anything about it being fixed

[wise breach]

Oh maybe, I don't know, I've just had it in there since it was bugged

[unborn portal]

I'll give it a whirl

ty

[proper heath]

These changes are a bit far away right

[potent pivot]

Maybe missed it idk

[wise breach]

Probably a few weeks away

My guess is late March for the patch

[unborn portal]

changes tonight

cant wait to bowdown to our paladin overlords

[proper heath]

tonight?

The fk?

[sharp sierra]

Only thing i want to do is get a shift modifier for focus for sap, blind and gouge

[unborn portal]

notrickz uses modifiers

hes saying he doesnt want same button to do 2 things like a cast sequence

[jaunty mirage]

hunters have never been one of the classes thats allowed to get ultra buffed and just stay like that, it will get pvp nerfs guaranteed

some of those buffs would be wild

like not believable kind of wild

blizzard is stupid but not THAT stupid

[proper heath]

ofc. Kill command +25% will literally one shot people.

They do like 100k crits atm.

and like every pet does a kill command. it's insane.

[jaunty mirage]

yeah

50% to cobra shot ahahaha

imagine

[waxen meteor]

What change tonight?

[sharp sierra]

I ran into a red a couple days ago in shuffle and that MF literally deleted me, they getting more lol?

[tame nexus]

Same, ran into one in random and he literally obliterated the bg, like he had 29 kills and below him was 11 kill. He was going 1v3s and all. Meh

[jolly sierra]

just downloaded an addon which marks the kill target instead leaving your dps comp as focus to check what are they hitting

[unborn portal]

Was a joke

[jolly sierra]

just saw how a dh was 1 shotted literally by 2 warriors in a skirmish

[sharp sierra]

They deserve it

😂

[jolly sierra]

i wasnt one of the 2 warriors

F

[sharp sierra]

I have to make a DH just so i understand their abilities.

[jolly sierra]

literal just charged spear dead

[sharp sierra]

All i been doing is que’in arena and while i’m waiting soloing old raids for titles and mounts lol

[waxen meteor]

DH ability is quite similar to us nowadays

Very easy to understand

Just more aoe oriented

[potent pivot]

the life

[potent pivot]

it's also not a common drop afaik

[sharp sierra]

Yeah i hate just reading through abilities to see which cooldown does what and connects to what. Leveling is fast enough now where i can just level one and understand them while using it to see how to counter or say oh fuck and run.

[proper heath]

It's official. The only lobby I'm afraid of is Sub rogue lobbies

I get deleted.

[unborn portal]

It’s always been a rogue eat rogue world

[jaunty mirage]

the most consistent counter to rogues for a long time has just been other rogues

[sharp sierra]

Yeah if i see another rogue in my solo shuf. I’ll stay sealthed the entire time until he opens. If he don’t open up then it’s just a 2v2 for the round 😂

If i see them almost ready to kill someone i’ll CD for full rupture garrote DM and then vanish again.

[fierce laurel]

My favorite lobbies are sin, ww, mage in that order.

[proper heath]

I need more practice be sub rogues . I get so much prac into every other class .

Sub just isn’t around that much . Definitely just need more games into them .

[tight veldt]

if you play Rott + DM, is it worth weaving a backstab into DM before using Reverb + CB?

[graceful ravine]

pika in a sick lobby rn

xaryu and nahj

[jaunty mirage]

sub only just recently started to click and im finally climbing out of the trenches, but i legit have such a hard time getting teammates to hit the assa rogue with me

which i dont understand cause i was under the impression assa just gets trained every game

[jolly sierra]

well i played again (didnt had to) and my MMR was shit

[graceful ravine]

rip nahj

[jolly sierra]

did it align if i win 4-2?

F for nahj

[tight veldt]

rip nahj

[jolly sierra]

won 0 cr, but tbh i care for the mmr the most

[graceful ravine]

LOL imagine queueing into this

[jolly sierra]

wtf

[graceful ravine]

omg they were only 2100

queueing into pika at 2600

what is this game

[jaunty mirage]

lmao

[unborn portal]

Hahaha

[tribal bay]

remove veiltouched its not even that good and take double vanish then if you want the vanish shield keep it otherwise drop that for the first dance

[tribal bay]

that just isnt true though subs spec design at the moment has really good sustain damage with consistent short burst windows

[tribal bay]

lol yea i've heard a few ppl like venruki saying they dont mind sub rogues atm because they're like the only answer to assa rogues 😂

[jaunty mirage]

It’s not that sub is incapable of it

It’s more like you don’t get a lot of value out of it

[graceful ravine]

do you get sbs charges back if used to kill totems?

[fierce laurel]

I don’t think so. Totems are immune to the debug

Debuff

[waxen meteor]

Does honor badge expire after season?

[proper heath]

Lol do you have enough of them to care?

[waxen meteor]

Not really but my alt is newly 70

[rancid cipher]

Which enchant on cloak for pvp?

[proven kayak]

I dobt think so

[plucky sage]

Homebound speed

[little sequoia]

I got to 1793 last night

Took a 2/6 L and lost 33 points

Im so close I can TASTE it

[fierce crystal]

U will get it fam , easy blast

[little sequoia]

[glossy monolith]

So as a newer player to wow/rogue would you say assn rogue has good survivability or are they squishy? I find that I just get melted so easily but I could be using abilities wrong

[little sequoia]

You are turbo squishy

Took me so long to learn how to play defensively

[glossy monolith]

Well darn, I understand that there can’t be a class that does it all. I’m just so new that i die fast and then I don’t have any fun

[little sequoia]

Practice living and CC

Skyrocketed like 500 rating after that

[fierce crystal]

Ye Rogues tend to not run enough

And watch omni bar for cds to pre feint etc

Also its good to write in starting room of ss if ur gonna use defensives for first or 2nd go etc

[chrome schooner]

That's kinda clickbait to feature the name of a known & successful player who is not you in both the title and the thumbnail but hey

[graceful ravine]

Sounds like the vid is endorsed by Raz tho

[chrome schooner]

Still. If you don't know that this YouTube channel is not his you'd 100% click on the video thinking that it was made by him and it's not. Definition of clickbait, regardless of how good the guide may be!

[tight veldt]

I mean the account is labled as, "Torpid"

idk who is looking at a thumbnail and going, "ah fuck yeah must be Raz instead of Torpid" or who knows that the character is someone elses transmog.

[chrome schooner]

lmao

I don't know people transmogs

Maybe look at the rest of the picture :p

Anyway

Uninteresting topic to debate

[tight veldt]

You mean the brief glimpse of R1 Raz that i had to double take? First thing i noticed was Torpid posted a new video, didnt actually catch it was featuring Raz till you said something.

But hey, lets bash for clickbait instead of "hey thanks for the post mate!"

[chrome schooner]

I simply wish people would try to stand out on their own because what they do is good - which very well may be in that case

Rather than ... leech some fame ? If the words are correct

[tight veldt]

Appreciate the post mate!

[tight veldt]

Creating on a youtube account that often features guides, and using the R1 players insight to provide creditable content is... leeching?..

[chrome schooner]

Oh no, using better players as insight is good

Making it so random youtube roamers would click thinking it was actually made by them is

imo

Then again, it's not an interesting topic to debate

You can stay with your opinion on it and me with mine, does that sound about right ?

[olive cosmos]

The point of the guides - Are to help people, I am good at teaching and helping, and they are the masters of each class!

The best players aren't always the best teachers, and the best teachers aren't always the best players! This is a mix of both to get reliable information with someone explaining it from a genuine helpful spot! Debate away though! I appreciate you guys checking it out ❤️ ! I'm here to help people, Raz worked with me, I didn't like steal a name! We are friends !

[potent pivot]

self promo is against the rules

[olive cosmos]

ahhhhh

i take it back

i am nobody

like from game of thrones

im the man with no face

who posted a pvp video

WHOOSH leaving

[little sequoia]

@potent pivot mind me asking why self promotion if done tactfully is wrong

[potent pivot]

it's just against the server's rules

[unborn portal]

I cant be !!!!mackavelli ?

ya self promo on discord servers/ twitch streams is just a common nono and ettiquite

fast track way to be banned / muted etc

[potent pivot]

yep

if you let one person do it everyone would start flooding channels with their new videos etc

advertisement in general is just a nono

[graceful ravine]

What if it’s someone else that post the link to the vid

Like “look at this cool guide” etc

[unborn portal]

I think thats different right

like if someone asks for a specific video or rotation example etc

[potent pivot]

yeah that's typically fine, as long as it's not obviously just trying to promote someone

[graceful ravine]

Sounds like a loophole cos I’ve def posted vids before but not for advisement

[potent pivot]

yeah

it's usually kinda easy to tell because most vids that get posted are from known/well-known people

[graceful ravine]

ya true

[potent pivot]

a lot of it is used for example too like Mack said

and is partial to the conversation at hand etc

[graceful ravine]

Def a cool guide tho, great job on it

[potent pivot]

i think the same thing goes for someone who uses YT to upload there vods

for vod review

but those usually don't get posted into public channels, more in DMs

[proper heath]

Wheres this guide?

god knows I need one.

[potent pivot]

[graceful ravine]

YouTube torpid

[proper heath]

He just flexed in the first 3 seconds of the video. I'm in.

[olive cosmos]

LOL

Yeah, i’ll be honest , I only posted it because it’s like genuinely helpful, not bragging about anything about me, and i’m not sure where to share helpful things! The guides do quite well on their own, just aiming to help as many people as possible , a lot of people don’t have time to learn everything about a class when they are busy crushing irl during the week, so thought something like this could help get someone on the right track with only minimal time to play , the games a lot of fun when certain things make sense - but of course i preach playing how you want! That’s sort of just some direction

Open to anyones advice on where sharing something like that would be appropriate

[proper heath]

It was genuinely helpful dude! And you can brag if you want. Those Biceps didn't curl themselves! you go girl! That was hard work and you should put them in the video!

[potent pivot]

i'm not really sure where posting it would be appropriate, i just know this discord server's rules don't allow it

you can maybe try some of the pvp focused discords, but they may have the same rule idk

[olive cosmos]

what about in general, like any other online places that look for that stuff?

I def see that it would become a spam fest if allowed

[potent pivot]

i'm sure there might be some forum out there, but i'm not a content creator so idk

[olive cosmos]

I just started because people were asking for some help, so new myself here , i have a good network of awesome people like raz who are down to share cool things about their class wouth people, so thought why not share it to those who are interesting HMM

all good

HOPEYOUR SATURDAY CRANKS rogue fam

[proper heath]

@potent pivot Can we talk about his video here?

[potent pivot]

tbh i don't know

if it's only going to further perpetuate it's promotion i'm going to say no

as it really shouldn't have been in the first place

[proper heath]

Yeah its' why I'm asking. I also dont know it's a weird grey area.

[potent pivot]

yeah

[proper heath]

Shrug oh well

[potent pivot]

i don't want to come off like an asshat, but i want to make sure the rules aren't thrown to the wind either

yeh

[kind nova]

what's a good way to track kick of enemies as a caster

what addon

[potent pivot]

omnibar

[kind nova]

is that omnicd or omnicc?

[potent pivot]

it's omnibar

its a separate addon

[plucky sage]

Omnicd is ally cooldowns next to party frames, omnicc is cooldown numbers on actionbars, omnibar is enemy cooldowns

[proper heath]

@kind nova Omnibar
Mine looks like this. I made a separate bar on the side of my character to see it easier.

Got the idea from Chas. Used to have them in the middle of everything . ew.

[potent pivot]

i like having em above my actionbars, but everyone has diff preferences

[pale storm]

Can you DM me the link please

[proper heath]

Thats where my regular omnibar is. 😄

[olive cosmos]

got you

[plucky sage]

Ah it's you!

I saw the sub guide you did, was great

Learned a lot about stopping caps and 1v3s

[maiden cliff]

what's a good 2s partner for outlaw?

[jolly sierra]

a disc

[little sequoia]

we got IT

[open minnow]

gz

[jolly sierra]

gratz

[harsh steppe]

is this the best sub guide atm?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGNY7Fpboz0

[potent pivot]

videos can become outdated rather fast so maybe not

[harsh steppe]

Is ER still garbage like he says at least?

[tawny kestrel]

no

[harsh steppe]

ok ty

[tawny kestrel]

everyone plays er

[harsh steppe]

ok good cuz i like that one lol

and if anybody has an updated decent sub basics guide lmk plz ❤️

[olive cosmos]

goated

[jolly sierra]

does feral drood uses MS?

[plucky sage]

yes, pvp talent

[jolly sierra]

gotcha

[plucky sage]

and gets spread with primal wrath (the aoe rip) so pretty damn strong

[jolly sierra]

i see, thought it was a passive like with monk RSK

in a more simplistic way

[jolly sierra]

another question, if i reapply garrote after i used exsanguinate because expired and i have rupture active

does it disables rupture exsang?

[unique lance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNYcotWc1J4 thistle tea reminder

[tame nexus]

No, it doesnt, Rupture will be with Exsan, new Garrote will be a normal one

[jolly sierra]

gotcha

[potent pivot]

[clever blaze]

i got a spare spark last night, the infurious boots or a vers mast lariat? i got conq boots and gladiator's amulet on atm

[potent pivot]

boots

that's one of the most important pieces you want for pvp

[clever blaze]

awesome thanks a bunch

[jolly sierra]

i met another rog which got duelist in this season

talked a little w him in skirmishes, the guy was using avoidance stat plus zen malygites

he felt more tanky, is that a good idea?

[potent pivot]

the zen gems aren't like, a terrible idea, but i guess it kinda depends how much vers/mastery you already have atm

but the avoidance seems like a hard sell to me

[jolly sierra]

i calculated his stats

he had 35% versa, me 32% and he 36% mastery vs my 41%

ah, the difference is a 1,5% reduced dmg

vs a 2% less damage, its seems

seems like a trade

i can even fake the versa to get more

with racial food

[potent pivot]

don't forget to factor in the DR on the vers as well

[jolly sierra]

i'll check that in paper tomorrow

yeah got that

[potent pivot]

it's not a huge difference, but a difference nontheless

kk

[jolly sierra]

i told him too about that too

[potent pivot]

yeah i mean even with DR on stats it can still be beneficial

just depends on what you want out of it

if you don't want to lose the dmg for the defensiveness etc

[jolly sierra]

i checked his dmg

and his garrotes were stronger

but overall my dmg was better

dunno why, im confused

[potent pivot]

like his ticks did more dmg? or he just casted it more

was he nelf

[jolly sierra]

more dmg from ticks

undead

[potent pivot]

hmm

more restealths mid game?

[jolly sierra]

i was using BM trinket vs his insignia

maybe was that?

[potent pivot]

still tick avg dmg wouldn't be higher

he'd just have more ticks in general

[jolly sierra]

no, i say, his individual garrotes

were stronger

i had like 8k dmg vs his 11k

[potent pivot]

oh like individual casts

[jolly sierra]

in every tick

[potent pivot]

i mean that could be crits changing it up

[jolly sierra]

were regular

but i won't overthink anyways

[potent pivot]

yeah idk

unless his insign proc'd and he got like an extra half tick

[jolly sierra]

still curious about his avoidance, maybe can be good for games in general

some ppl here even were about to use cheat death against monks

or warrs

cuz spear, fof and stuff like that

[potent pivot]

yeh some ppl do

[jolly sierra]

🤔

[potent pivot]

even r1s

[jolly sierra]

well, there are some research for tomorrow after work

[potent pivot]

can be quite good to use cheat vs anything that can 'one shot' you

[jolly sierra]

for me is shit tho, everytime i use that i instadie anyways

dunno if is bad luck

but when i for example ToD a rog

he triggers that shit and survives

for me just triggers and dies in that sec

[potent pivot]

yeah idk i've never really had that issue

i've been killed through cheat, it's not a 100% savior

but it's a very reliable way to get in a reaction to one shots

or give your healer a chance to react as well etc

[jolly sierra]

can give a try, but im still fan of elusiveness

[potent pivot]

ofc

elu is better into most things

cheat just has good value vs some where you'd die through elu anyway

[jolly sierra]

like a sp or a frost mage?

or a demo

[potent pivot]

no like one shots that'd kill through feint anyway

is what i meant

[jolly sierra]

140k glacial spikes

or fkn ele procs

[potent pivot]

ele maybe idk

i haven't had any issues with either running elusiveness apart from the random ele proc fountain here and there

[tame nexus]

Can i cloak against ShadowBlades? I forgot

[potent pivot]

part of it yes

[tame nexus]

Thanks

[potent pivot]

you'll still get hit by physical dmg

idk if shadowblades is honestly worth cloaking against

[jolly sierra]

if he shadowblades usually will try to technique too

[potent pivot]

maybe if there's nothing else you'd cloak

like if they have a mostly physical dmg partner

[potent pivot]

which is physical dmg mostly

the main target takes physical dmg

[jolly sierra]

ah thought was shadow purely

btw look

[potent pivot]

and iirc the clones do shadow but it's a smaller portion i think

[jolly sierra]

elusiveness w 2 enchants

almost a -5% dmg from aoe

[potent pivot]

yeah but how much aoe dmg are you actually taking that is important

spear dmg, maybe secret tech if it works on it's main target dmg

[jolly sierra]

yeah, but a 5% is still huge for shuffle

[tame nexus]

does spear count as aoe?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[potent pivot]

idk feint is already a 40% aoe reduction

[jolly sierra]

a 45% in mitigation windows plus a 5% outside seems like a good deal tho

[potent pivot]

there just isn't much aoe dmg like that in pvp

[tame nexus]

Dono, any bit of survibility matters as dampening gets higer, no?

[jolly sierra]

are u sure?

[potent pivot]

i don't think it'd even work on secret tech because it's a targeted ability

[potent pivot]

compared to speed that literally everyone has so you are worse than them at kiting?

[tame nexus]

hm

[potent pivot]

idk, to me it seems like a really hard sell

[jolly sierra]

remember ppl was even dropping once fleet footed

you will still be fast tho

[potent pivot]

that's because speed DRs hard after a certain point

with all the speed enchants+fleet footed you entered that DR

[jolly sierra]

then seems not like a bad idea

[potent pivot]

maybe if you start taking fleet footed

[jolly sierra]

im taking it

[potent pivot]

but idk it seems pointless imo since it'll literally only work on spear hit dmg

not all the other dmg they do after throwing the spear

[jolly sierra]

bladestorm

[potent pivot]

ye

[jolly sierra]

warbringer

[potent pivot]

and prob FoF

[jolly sierra]

lemme check more

remember

[potent pivot]

won't work vs 95% of dmg from other classes

[jolly sierra]

windwalker has

xuen dmg
fof
sck

[potent pivot]

as sin i'd probably take leech over avoidance if i was like, forced to drop any of the speed

[jolly sierra]

i like leech, but the problem is dampening

[tame nexus]

i had very high leech at end of SL, was great tbh

[waxen meteor]

@potent pivot

i know it's not you

but just for fun

[potent pivot]

yeah vs ww/warr i can see the slight benefit, but it's kinda meh. and i'm not about to switch pieces with diff enchants

[potent pivot]

he found me

[jolly sierra]

100% sure almost all classes does aoe dmg

in pvp

still recall dhs

essence break
inmolation aura
blade dance

eye beam

mage has arcane sphere and surge

and even touch of the magi tho

[potent pivot]

if anything is considered a targeted aoe ability it doesn't count

[jolly sierra]

are u sure?

[potent pivot]

ye

[jolly sierra]

🤔

[potent pivot]

that's why it wouldn't affect things like secret tech

etc

[jolly sierra]

well gotta go sleep

ill sleep like shit tho

see you tomorrow guys

[potent pivot]

gngn hope ya sleep well

[jolly sierra]

the thing is not sleep well, however my time sleeping lol

[waxen meteor]

It's funny i tend to heal rogue a lot more than others when playing heal

in bg

[potent pivot]

because rogue has like, one of the worst self healing kits in the game

[jolly sierra]

yep

[potent pivot]

that's why i think vanish shield is so good tbh, like yeah it's hard to justify taking it with some builds

but you can just vanish mid combat just for the shield and keep going

all sin has is leeching poison and vial

we have amazing defensives, just shit healing to go along with em

[waxen meteor]

No, i think it's just personal preference haha

[potent pivot]

dh for example has blur, nether, darkness, and really good self healing

dk also has good defensives+self heals

[waxen meteor]

DH self heal is actually kinda conditional

its survival is a lot overated

the gap between blurs are very fragile

but it does can run 2000 miles away to escape

nether is great, but it's a talent point choice between a burst vs survival

[potent pivot]

ye i'm not saying they're hard to kill

just comparing kits is all

[waxen meteor]

The problem of DH self heal is that it's not reliable...

When you are lucky

it's crazy...

when you are not... there's none heal...

[graceful ravine]

anyone have a clue how a warrior can cast die by the sword twice within 20 seconds?

does holy priest have CDR on other ppls defensives or something

or am i going nuts

[proper heath]

Holy priest does. But it wouldn't be within 20 seconds. A full channel symbols reduces defensives by about a min. and die is 2 min cd

[graceful ravine]

https://streamable.com/ppr732

you can see he DBTS in the beginning of the clip and again at 20 secs later

[proper heath]

So he d oes symbols

So I assume symbols reset almost all of it

is die 1 min cd?

Am I nuts?

let me check

100% it was a fully channeled symbols

[graceful ravine]

its 2 min but idk if theres a talent

[proper heath]

ohh it's 1.5 min

thats why

yes symbols fully reset it

[graceful ravine]

thats busted sheesh

[proper heath]

So you see

he die

symbols. and then 20 sec later he uses it again

so roughly 1.5 min cd. -1 min from symbols

So when I play with my dh partner. he can do 3 Blurs back to back

He presses blur. Just as it's about to end. I can symbols. He presses blur again instantly, and the rest of the symbols channel fully resets his blur for the 3rd charge.

[graceful ravine]

disgusting

[proper heath]

This intent to kill talent is awesome. I randomly have more shadowsteps.

[rancid cipher]

Can rated pvp drop Spark thingie?

[proper heath]

I have never seen a bottle essence drop

[quasi wren]

I am having a problem when enemy team is focusing me as a rogue, could you give me some tips ?

[vocal surge]

ngl

it'd be nice if they reverted the Leeching Poison nerf

for pvp only

[velvet wagon]

What is the typical response to warrior bladestorm speae

Spear*

[mental latch]

boycott wow until they nerf arms

[velvet wagon]

Can you shadow step out of it

If you are in a certain position

[proper heath]

It's so hard to give uesful tips without seeing what you are doing. I'd highly suggest recording urself playing. And then showing us a clip.

Or else the best we can say is the generic "use evasion when melee are hitting you"
Use cloak of shadows on low hp vs casters
Vanish when you are in danger and have no more buttons.

[proper heath]

Standard response is try disarm immediately as he spears. He will be on global. If he bladestorms your disarm because you are slow, slap yourself, and then press evasion. Dont make your healer panic. because you will fall really far behind. Just press evasion.

When you see arms. Assume he has spear, you want to shut it down, Kidney him or disarm when he spears, hold the global. Know it's coming. And you'll be ready.

[chrome schooner]

Tbh the meta right now is to not play Spear so it's not really the best practise to hold your stuff for it

Just insta disarm every single Colossus Smash, and he can't do anything

[quasi wren]

Thanks! I'll try and record some games as well to seek for tip, I've reached 1.7k quite easy after getting Conq gear but now I keep struggling a bit 😄

[proper heath]

I can help, critiqueing specifically what ur doing wrong from a clip. is 10x more helpful than giving you generic random advice. that might not apply to you.

[shut temple]

is there a build commonly used that uses arterial precision and dragon tempered blades together?

[proper heath]

it's in the pvp faq

[hasty nebula]

Is there some place to get some coaching? I recorded a game but even after rewatching im not sure what to look at 😦

I mean can I just drop a clip here?

[tardy rock]

Avatar is off gcd so spear + avatar happens in same gcd you can’t disarm spear

You can only disarm warbreaker and if not evasion

Not much else to do, feint is good as well

[plucky sage]

You can pre evasion spear and walk out of it though iirc

[proper heath]

wait why can't you disarm spear with avatar?

is there some interaction I'm unaware of?

You're saying spear, and pressing avatar which causes the bladestorm is basically instant

[tardy rock]

Ye and bladestorm immune to cc no?

[hasty nebula]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRx9OJg1doM

Please critique me 😉

[quasi wren]

This is probably the biggest critique

Joking, I'll watch the vid and try to help as much as I can

[tight veldt]

First thing i caught is why pump into unending resolve on the warlock? Gouge and swap to the warrior

also against the Provo, make sure to stay behind them/to side at max range. you got rooted from standing too close on the sap

[hasty nebula]

Haha ikr

[hasty nebula]

Thansk!

[hasty nebula]

Good one, thanks for the tip 🙂

[hasty nebula]

Yup, that was an awkward one

[proper heath]

you actually play really well. You're just missing your timing by a tiny bit . Like game 1 . You did a ton of damage in the opener while the healer is not cc'd. You had blind. All the damage gets healed up. And then you went for blind that got broken becauese the healer was in the middle of everything.
Game 2 . You did great blind pala had to bubble. You had the game. You should then duel the paladin in the next kidney and you win.
You are doing alot of duels that are on healers praying the dps kills them. Its good sometimes. But most of the time. Trust your own ability. I'd much rather duel dps and kill them myself, then duel healer. and pray my dps is good.

Game 3. you sapped healer. and PUMPED the warlock, but you didn't follow up with cheap on him when he was running in the bomb. that woulda forced trinket or emerald.

your cc is good at the start, but be consistent with follow up. No gaps.

It will get you very far.

[graceful ravine]

what binds do you use to cheapshot/sap offtargets? arena123? couldn see a focus target on your screen

[hasty nebula]

Thanks for the feedback!

I find that when i duel to try to kill I usually have no energy

Do i just pool 5-6 combopoints and near full energy?

[hasty nebula]

Ya I use arena123

[hasty nebula]

Do you have a tip for a good opener? I usually leave gaps with sblades>cheap>dance>evis>er>sectech>cheap

Do I go for cheap after ER and pray I dont hit 5 combopoints?

Really appreciate it btw!

[tight veldt]

i started playing the reverb build > stech and like it alot

with ER + CB being 45 seconds, i can usually burn a trinket on the opener w/ sap + blind

and then just full go onthe kidney

or just 1 shot in the Shadowy Duel after they've wasted everything on the first go

[hasty nebula]

What is the reverb build?

[tight veldt]

i think its pinned as Rotton + DM

[proper heath]

yes duel has a heavy cost. thats why you save dance and Symbols. Duel, Symbols. Guchi.
The gap I'm referring to is your cc on the healer.

Dont let him heal for free. Your cc needs to overlap

I love that at low rating. Everyone is on stun dr. The Evoker healer has rolled through with Stun breathe. And now everyone is on triple dr stun 😄

[hasty nebula]

Gotcha, appreciate you

[proper heath]

You play really well. Just clean up the edges.

[jolly sierra]

have you seen the guide a guy posted yesterday? thoughts?

was in a youtube channel

[proper heath]

On youtube? not the Tiktok one?

I only saw the guide on onlypans

[plucky sage]

Torpid's guide (done with Raz input)

[whole moon]

can i make a shadowstep mouseover macro

even if its just to a friendly palyer

player

[jolly sierra]

so, was it good?

[proper heath]

When you're sitting for 20 mins waiting for que to pop... to realize... you aren't in que ... 😢

[jolly sierra]

eksdee

[graceful ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuQjRmNMW98&ab_channel=Venruki

very good insight

tldr solution is to add in a MMR "bomb" like 200 mmr boost to everybody retroactively

[potent pivot]

like for 2s/3s?

i could see it tbh

if too much time goes on many people will miss their window to get their wins in etc

also kinda agree with the rating system needing a revamp

[fierce laurel]

Yeah. The 2400 glad status was a way of hiding how many people are playing but not it’s not even enough to support the same number of glads it used to.

A 200 mmr bomb would be cool if they like spread it out over your next 100 games or something. That would also incentivize people to play more too.

Right now, why would I even push for glad when it’s going to be easier later.

[potent pivot]

i mean that same notion sorta applies to every season in the past as well

because of inflation it's always been a bit easier to reach your goals later in the season

[fierce laurel]

True but participation is at an all time low so we don’t get natura inflation either right now.

[potent pivot]

i agree with what he was saying about there should be more rewards for every bracket, and a reworked rating system so that it promotes playing them the entire season instead of playing more in the last bit of the season

but yeah i see where you're coming from

[tawny kestrel]

seasons should just be shorter

[potent pivot]

participation is insanely low atm

[tawny kestrel]

the middle part of the season where its dead lasts too long

[potent pivot]

i mean if they make seasons shorter they have to make more rewards etcetc

creating more work for them ig

[tawny kestrel]

they did it for legion

just have the same set for 2 seasons

and same gear

[potent pivot]

hmm

i didn't play in legion so i didn't see it

[tawny kestrel]

just have to figure out some new reward, maybe an illusion or some shit

but ye

doubt anything will happen

[potent pivot]

you don't think it'd be better to have the same length but better reasons to q?

[tawny kestrel]

there will always be middle part of the season after ppl get full gear where ppl dont rly q

[potent pivot]

yeah it's a bit copium, but one can dream

[tawny kestrel]

cus as mercer said, no reason to q until later when inflation is higher

[graceful ravine]

Blizz been responsive to public feedback recently so I’m hopeful

[tawny kestrel]

only ppl that q mid season are streamers/boosters

[potent pivot]

if it was reworked to be more like other pvp games that could be solved i think

[jolly sierra]

did season started at dec 13th?

[graceful ravine]

Just give glad mount to SS

Problem solved

No inflation needed!

🥹

[jolly sierra]

kek

[potent pivot]

think so

[jolly sierra]

lemme think

[graceful ravine]

But put it at 2700

[potent pivot]

the lazy way out though

[jolly sierra]

it will finish at may tho

max

we are in mid season technically

[tawny kestrel]

2.7 solo shuffle is sadly like 2k in 3s

[jolly sierra]

blizz is hearing a lot of feedback recently

but in this couple of weeks there are no news

maybe they are just focusing in 10.0.7

[potent pivot]

we haven't even been able to get rogue's bugs fixed in months

[jolly sierra]

rn

[potent pivot]

[warm lance]

Bro

My guild in classic only needs to do 2 more hard mode bosses

[potent pivot]

[warm lance]

Realm top 100 thats pretty goooood

[fierce laurel]

the #1 ss sub rogue has tight spender over subterfuge and i'm having problems dealing

[jolly sierra]

gouge < pray in the weak in SS as assa?

[tawny kestrel]

americans play gouge

no1 in eu plays gouge as assa

in solo shuffle anyways

[jolly sierra]

so, gouge is better?

[potent pivot]

whaazz does iirc

[tawny kestrel]

no

[potent pivot]

yes

[tawny kestrel]

he did in some awc games

not anywhere else

[potent pivot]

i don't think that's true

[tawny kestrel]

[tawny kestrel]

every time i have faced him he has not once played gouge

but ye

[tawny kestrel]

murlok.io is correct for sure

[potent pivot]

armory as well

[tawny kestrel]

just cus some1 logged out as something

does not mean they play it

[jolly sierra]

🤔

[tawny kestrel]

as i said

"in solo shuffle anyways"

[jolly sierra]

prey and lets go?

[tawny kestrel]

no1 in eu plays gouge as assa in shuffle

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

that says a lot

well, i still have 1 gouge as panda

[tawny kestrel]

youre the 1 trolling rn

[potent pivot]

maybe less do

but not no one

[tawny kestrel]

none of the top rogues play it in solo shuffle

i have yet to face a single one playing it

as assa

[jolly sierra]

also, it increases the dmg of your partners too

so maybe im trolling too lol

[potent pivot]

either one is a fine choice

[jolly sierra]

i technically have 2 gouges rn

[potent pivot]

yeah playing panda maybe not as worth

[jolly sierra]

fine enough then

[potent pivot]

i think it'd still be good vs casters

[jolly sierra]

yeah, is very good against casters

[potent pivot]

even as just an extra interrupt in yolo mmr

[jolly sierra]

maybe will pick it in wizard

[tawny kestrel]

gouge is perfectly fine

all i said was

americans play it

no1 in eu does

[potent pivot]

yeah that's fine, i just don't agree with the 'no one' part, but it's all good

[tawny kestrel]

how can u disagree with it

[potent pivot]

can agree to disagree

[tawny kestrel]

u cant disagree with facts

not a thing

[potent pivot]

i don't see it as a fact

[tawny kestrel]

ah

ok

[potent pivot]

you do in your experience, and that's ok

not disputing what people played against you

[tawny kestrel]

😄

[jolly sierra]

ª

[chrome schooner]

on one hand there is a guy actively q'ing amongst the top rogues every second day, on the other hand someone who says "no I don't think that's true" without being there to check, but checking loadouts of people after they dc'ed not knowing why they dc'ed with that loadout

"difference in opinion"

cough

[sharp sierra]

anyone can help? I've unlocked red helm and shoulders on a cloth class but every alt i level it shows the red head/shoulders as locked rather than unknown

does that mean you can get them without the rating?

tried finding some info on it but failed so far

[potent pivot]

Just because someone didn’t play vs you using something doesn’t mean “no one” plays it

[sharp sierra]

for example.. never played a plate class but it shows as red instead of unknown

[potent pivot]

Forget murlok, armory, whatever. It’s just a straight up dull stance to take and in no way do I see it as being a fact

[potent pivot]

Without the rating I highly doubt it, that’s probably why it appears in red

[sharp sierra]

just a bit weird how the non rated conquest one shows as unknown rather than locked (red)

[potent pivot]

Yeah, idk. But it shouldn’t let you use the achievement mog unless you’ve reached the achievement on that particular class

[sharp sierra]

weird one

[waxen meteor]

The mog thing seems to be buggy

[waxen meteor]

The difference in gouge may also due to the presence rate of hpal maybe

When hpal opens aura mastery, having a gouge can be situational useful

[jolly sierra]

i think is useful w locks when the bastards casts chaos bolt

they usually bait the 1st cast

[unborn portal]

kicking chaos is best

[warped anchor]

You can't gouge precog anyway

And every warlock will play it

[jolly sierra]

sometimes will be in unending doing that

but usually the 1st chaos bolt is fake

[warped anchor]

Faking with bolt is pretty risky, usually fake with fear or shadowfury

On my lock I only bolt if they don't have kicks or I have precog

[jolly sierra]

well is true, i also saw CB with unending a lot

but

is precog bugged?

sometimes it just triggers even without intending an interrupt

[warped anchor]

Nah its probably just someone else missing kick on your team

[jolly sierra]

kk

[warped anchor]

And yeah chaos bolt with wall can be cc'd

[jolly sierra]

with gouge, yeah

[warped anchor]

Kicking fire is fine sometimes too

Incinerate does a lot of damage

[jolly sierra]

can confirm

i got killed by those shits sometimes

[warped anchor]

Rogues are rough as destro

Assa ones

[jolly sierra]

i know

in the guide from the guy from yesterday i saw than when he wanted to burst heavily he used exsang w dots up and then DM

maybe for SS will be a good idea cuz ppl don't think so much

[warped anchor]

I don't play exsang so no idea

[jolly sierra]

gotcha

i play both MA and exsang

[warped anchor]

Also haven't played my rogue in shuffle in months

[jolly sierra]

well that says a lot too, i wanna drop my ret till rework

[potent pivot]

ye that's always kinda the case when running exsang, either you use ex/DM separately or together for bigger burst

[jolly sierra]

but 1st i wanna 1k8 min w it

[jolly sierra]

or use both and then just DM

the guy said u don't wanna hold exsang for too much time\

[potent pivot]

wdym both then just dm

[jolly sierra]

using exsang with deathmark in 1st burst window

then 2 min later just deathmark

[potent pivot]

ye

[jolly sierra]

dampening will do the work anyways

[potent pivot]

either way can work

[warped anchor]

I've gone back to casters lol

[potent pivot]

depends on what you're facing or what you're trying to do at the opener

[jolly sierra]

destro?

[warped anchor]

Mage and lock atm

[jolly sierra]

ofc not with devokers/pallys/survs

[potent pivot]

i don't think it's smart to blow you're full load on the first opener

but maybe the 2nd kidney or so

[jolly sierra]

ofc

[potent pivot]

ye

[jolly sierra]

the 1st kidney is to bait

the 2nd is good cuz u probably will blind healer then kidney burst the dps

and the healer will have -20% healing w blackjack

think even using ER will trigger some defensives at 1st kidney

[unborn portal]

blow load early and often

[warped anchor]

Think as long as you get cds the deathmark is good

[jolly sierra]

noice

after my humillation at 2k need to rethink some stuff

[formal parrot]

hey, just a quick question here. Am I able to still get the season 1 conquest gear after new season? not the elite set just the normal 382 one

[jolly sierra]

yeah ofc

[formal parrot]

awesome! really dying to try pvp and get the transmog from it for rogue

[jolly sierra]

nah dont bother is u are not aiming for the elite set

[wise breach]

Usually not until the next expansion

Generally Blizzard adds the past season transmogs to the vendor for marks of honor at the beginning of the next expansion

[dusky flower]

I just realized our category is in the miscellaneous section LOL

[potent pivot]

[dusky flower]

savage really

[tribal bay]

well yr

ye

[scarlet plover]

how mandatory is ER in pvp? I've been looking at builds and most have it and I was wondering if its like a must pick or face a major dps loss

this is for assassination btw

[jolly sierra]

mostly

it empowers a lot ur envenoms

[dusky flower]

blue point envenoms. also its easy to get blues since its always in 3/4/5

[potent pivot]

ye it's one of our strongest talents on the class tree

[scarlet plover]

ah ok so def mandatory then

thx

im just learning rouge for the first time so I was thinking about switching to more passives to reduce button bloat

[potent pivot]

yeah button bloat is pretty big this expansion, but it's the same for most class

just takes getting used to

[harsh steppe]

can i add a way to unstealth if i'm already stealthed to this macro?

[potent pivot]

You would just change it to /cast stealth

[harsh steppe]

so

/cast !stealth
/stopattack
/cast stealth
?