pvp

[tribal bay]

thats what i like to hear

[potent pivot]

if you have a friend that can call the mechanics for you it's ez

[tribal bay]

im not even gonna read the guide

[potent pivot]

lol

[tribal bay]

watch me come back in 5 minutes humbled

[potent pivot]

then be prepared for a bad time yeah

[woven jolt]

Uuuh you can probably manage to p2 fairly easy

[potent pivot]

without knowing what to Kick or anything?

[woven jolt]

Wait
No
How the fuck you would do Interphase blind

Nvm

[potent pivot]

LoL

the guides were made for a good reason

[woven jolt]

The guide was made So I could ignore it as Sin and fell good because I finished the fight earlier triple dotting

[potent pivot]

multi dotting is like

a requirement

[woven jolt]

It depends
Both the Guide and common sense 2 target Axe guy and Warlock dude
And leave the Girl almost Perma-Blinded

[potent pivot]

i don't think so no

blind wipes your dots

[woven jolt]

You don't need to Hit Her at all
Besides maybe when the runes happen so you can spend energy while running

[potent pivot]

imo the caster is usually dotted less because you should be kiting around the arena

[tribal bay]

i got trucked

[potent pivot]

getting kicks out when possible to keep him following, but he won't always be on the move

[tribal bay]

i know why i need step now

that was fried

[potent pivot]

i mean, you do if you want to try and avoid the soft enrage making things progressively harder

[woven jolt]

If u 2Target, you arrive to the Soft Enrage always with the Girl and Caster alive at like, 20ish%

[potent pivot]

i would never recommend anyone ignore dotting sigryn

the bosses share health in a sense so the more 3t you do the faster the challenge ends

[tribal bay]

bro that guys more than 45 yards

wait i understand

im not reading the guide

[potent pivot]

you have to pre position for the ice

[tribal bay]

yeah

got it

[woven jolt]

Always almost hugging the purple beam

[potent pivot]

you can also jump over the beam

if you ever have to run across the map

but has to be toward the far half of it iirc, not towards the middle(idr exactly)

there's also plenty of video guides that tell you everything but yeah

[woven jolt]

Guideless remember

XD

[potent pivot]

that sounds really unenjoyable

unless you did it back in Legion maybe

[woven jolt]

Pff
Back in Legion you had the Vale era pants

[potent pivot]

mechanics were still the same

[tribal bay]

50% no guide lessgo

i've got this

[woven jolt]

You had Infinite health and could sit on the Interphase for a decade waiting for CDs

[potent pivot]

that's only a quarter of the challenge

but hellyeah

[woven jolt]

P1 is extremely long even if Optimized
So you're doing fairly Well

[dusky flower]

oof

[potent pivot]

famous last words

[woven jolt]

[lucid citrus]

anyone playing outlaw?

[woven jolt]

Yeah, need help w something :?

[lucid citrus]

hows it feeling?

[tribal bay]

damn alright

i think i need the guide

[woven jolt]

Outlaw Will always feel good
But the performance is not really there

[tribal bay]

phase 2 was confusing kekW

not sure im smart enough to figure that one out

wait that was only the intermission

[woven jolt]

You Just do healable dmg

[lucid citrus]

i see

[potent pivot]

the intermission?

[potent pivot]

yer

[woven jolt]

I don't think that's p2 bro xD

[potent pivot]

if you watch a guide you'll get to p2 ez i'm sure

then it's just a dps and positioning game

[tribal bay]

yea gonna watch a quick vid apparently i've gotta find him in between all those mirror images

[woven jolt]

Not really

[tribal bay]

when they spawned i was like um wtf they're all casting bro

[potent pivot]

just check out a vid ye

[woven jolt]

Hes hidden, you can see him as a traslucid image casting, or in the Minimap

[woven jolt]

KEKW the mental image of reaching Intermission blind
And then you find a bazillion mirror images casting Death novas

Nah bro I'm out

[tribal bay]

exactly what i thought

opened youtube straight away

[waxen meteor]

This is a weird weekend

Keep losing

[tribal bay]

cringe

blew my secret tech before those ads and had nothing

[dusk spindle]

yall got any septic wounds trackers or WA?

[vocal surge]

Its a spec that'll leave you frustrated

even w. 4p early on, theres just classes that do more dps than you without it

and unlike other melee classes

your damage doesnt really have much of an impact

especially once we're going up against specs like Warlock and Mail+ users

Current Outlaw's iteration is pretty much a Sub Rogue without stealth

Since your kinda forced down the Ambush build just to be able to do some damage

When it comes to offering value to the team comp, Sin and Sub has more to offer

more ways to kill and lock down a target

while Outlaw only has a 30s reduction to blind with range

but since we dont have the damage to kill while healer is going through our Blind with potentially Sap to follow, it kinda defeats the kill potential

[tribal bay]

sub rogue without stealth?

doesnt feel like sub rogue to me

subs good

[vocal surge]

It feels like a Sub rogue to me since your really reliant on the Shadow Dance window to deal actual damage

sinister strike hits as hard as a smacking someone with a balloon on a string

and you cant really play out that brawler fantasy Outlaw is suppose to be

[tribal bay]

shouldnt you be getting enough ambush and pistol shot procs

and feedback loop with dispatch

to rely on dance?

[vocal surge]

You can get bad luck

[tribal bay]

isnt that how outlaw works i havent played it much tho i hate it

yeah

unless u roll skull and crossbones right

[vocal surge]

and then you'll have to wait till you get a proc

out of sometimes 15 sinister strikes/ambushes

before you can go back to slipping and sliding

on procs

[tribal bay]

yea its a cringe design for pvp i wouldnt bother with it if im honest

i watch pshero play it and get aids

[vocal surge]

Ye

I had an opener

where I got no opportunity procs

through Subterfuge and Shadow Dance

and then no audacity proc from that FTH Opportunity

[tribal bay]

ye then you literally do nothing

disc priest does more dps

[vocal surge]

and to top it off

you cant play other builds

like GSW and Summarily Dispatched

because energy go oom

[tribal bay]

there might've been an argument when outlaw had the 10% stamina talent

but they nerfed that

[vocal surge]

and if you did manage to get past that energy problem, you dont produce enough CDR to continue doing damage

[tribal bay]

and then nerfed some other stuff i dont understand

did those nerfs impact the ambush feedback loop?

[vocal surge]

not really no

only our cleave damage

the biggest hit Outlaw did take was with the energy economy

and Enduring Brawler which was way too late

both being on prepatch

[tribal bay]

yea sub is the same outside dance its hard to get cooldowns back with spenders because no energy so i went with a diff build

what was enduring brawler

i didnt play SL

[vocal surge]

Its first inception was a 20 stack buff

[tribal bay]

so i only know outlaw in its current state and it feels bad

[vocal surge]

1% stamina and sinister strike proc chance per stack

[tribal bay]

oh wtf

thats busted

[vocal surge]

3 seconds in combat to gain 1 stack but 1 second out of combat to lose a tack

it was a really good talent

because all the other pvp talents were at best mediocre

[tribal bay]

pvp talents need a rework across the board tho

they reworked all our talent trees then ignored the pvp talents

[vocal surge]

in S3 or S4, Enduring Brawler got nerfed to go up to 15s

[tribal bay]

so things aren't even working with new talents when they probably should

[vocal surge]

yeee

and in Dragonflight Prepatch, they removed the stamina

the thing is

Stamina is really good for Outlaw

[tribal bay]

well ye wasnt outlaw and arms warrior like giga busted at some point

[vocal surge]

Fury*

[tribal bay]

because of arms busted ignore pain

ye true

[vocal surge]

itbwas Outlaw and Fury

[tribal bay]

like they couldnt die or some shit

sounds toxic

[vocal surge]

outlaw was op due to borrowed power

covenant and soulbinds

synergy w. our set bonus and blunderbuss broke the camel's back in S4

since they fixed the interaction that season

The reason why I say borrowed power is because S2 Outlaw was really well balanced

you couldnt zug zug like S3+ Outlaw

and get awanwith anything

the stamina let you do damage going in and then walk out to recover via crimson vial andnrecuperate

but you couldnt stay in stealth for long

[tribal bay]

but tbh like

[vocal surge]

otherwise you'd have to wait a very long time to regain stacks

[tribal bay]

rogues shouldnt RP as warriors

[vocal surge]

Ironically we didnt play as warriors

till S3+

[tribal bay]

having all the rogues toolkit then RP'ing as a warrior with 20% stam is pretty fried

i can see why its a pve spec now

[vocal surge]

in S2, we were mostly kiting

which let us gain stacks of enduring brawler and maintain it

because we can die if we zug zugd like a war

or do no damage if we played too passively

S3+

Double kick w. Invigorating Shadowdust

and massive CDR on defensives

let us become giga wars

and S4 blunderbuss undermined our rotation

that it pretty much gutted a lot of the rotation

and just let us go rampant

because remember

we had Prepared for All

which hit its max rank S3

4.4s cdr on Evasion everytime you dodged an attack

and 8.8s cdr on Cloak of Shadows if you successfully kicked

[tribal bay]

yeah that sounded toxic

[vocal surge]

yep

S2 the best I could do was maybe a 1v2

by S4

easily 1v5

thats with a tank and a healer

I wished I recorded that fight lol

because it was 3 rogues (1 of each spec) and a war tank

and I cleaved the rogues down that they all almost died while my hp barely dropped to 60%

and their tank nearly dropped dead from how cancerously op outlaw was during thatntime

and even the healer had trouble keeping up because of all the evasions I got from them attacking me

and Prepared for All feeding that cdr

found a clip show casing Prepared for All back in Shadowlands

bottm left on keybind Ctrl + X

in 10 seconds (5s in till DK dies)

Evasion's CD dropped by almost 1min

and thats from Prepared for All

as far as Outlaw survivability goes

Players had 110% stamina by S2

Enduring Brawler added 20% onto that 110%

which is 22% stamina

but if you went Kyrian Mikanikos Soulsteel Clamps and Relentless Brooch

thats a very fast get out of stun/incap

add Hardiness as Orc and stuns were kinda nonexistent

[tribal bay]

bahahaha wtf

[vocal surge]

also to add salt on the wound with Shadowlands Stamina

Kyrian Phial + Mikanikos auto consume phial when you drop under 35% hp go brrr

Phial scaled with all those hp buffs

alongside a nearly free Crimson Vial (3 energy cost due to Nimble Fingers max rank)

and you had recovery stonks

so at 132% hp

Phial healed for a lot

it healed for 20% more

than what other classes would get out of it

Recuperator was recovering about 1.5% of your hp per sec

if we remove stamina modifiers

[proper heath]

I miss soulshape

The one and only ability I wish was brought over.

[vocal surge]

now in Dragonflight*

best wayy to play Outlaw is to pretty much play it like sub rogue

[proper heath]

Outlaw does insane dmg

More than sub if you press dance. it's insane.

Combat sub rogue. so awesome

[vocal surge]

Honestly I think Sub does more damage than Outlaw

Since the damage can be done in bursts

Outlaw's dps looks very stonks till you realize its just consistent dps

theres no burst or anything, just a line

add ccs in there and the line becomes a downward slope

[proper heath]

No shot. Dude. And outlaw rogue during dance and AR is absolutely insane.

The burst and sustain is broken

Just no one plays it and rather play sub, because it's a sub rogue.

[vocal surge]

Ive gone through a lot of openings

[proper heath]

if they nerf assa. I promise everyone will play outlaw. The spec is legit very very good.

[vocal surge]

the most I do w. 4p would be 60% of someone HP

In Shadow Dance

then damage becomes nonexistent afterwards

plate wearers shrugs off that dps, same with r druids

if people stand around, its easy to do massive damage

[proper heath]

Promise. the sustain is almost unhealable.

[vocal surge]

doubt

as someone who mains outlaw in pvp

[proper heath]

How do you think Nahj is 3.1. The spec is great, but most of rogues atm are representing assa and sub. Also because the gear requirement is interchangable for assa and sub. Mastery verse. And outlaw requires hard commit to crit.

think you are selling outlaw short. Go play vs a good outlaw rogue in 2s. You'll understand.

[vocal surge]

ive ratio' nearly every outlaw rogue I came across

since SL S2

only lost to 1 mirror because healer couldnt bother to press Shadow Word Death 6 times

it was 1 button press from my healer away from winning that 1 mirror match

and it was a hard carry too on my end

I remember that match as clear as day, Blades Edge Arena on the right side of the bridge facing North

priest and enemy outlaw rogue stacked and I was cleaving them both down

they CC'd my healer, I popped Evasion brought both to their knees

rogur vanishes, priest hits 2% hp

stopped via cheapshot and disarm

my healer doesnt do anything but press heals when I need healing then sits like its a fury warrior carrying them

you can also ask @unborn portal how I play Outlaw

even in the forums,Sekkelx brings up a good point about Outlaw's dps in Shadowlands

Quoting directly from his forum post

"Since the 10.0.5 release, the damage has been feeling disgustingly low. I have played outlaw throughout the entirety of Legion, BFA, Shadowlands & I will keep playing it during Dragonflight; but my point is, I firmly believe that the damage output it dishes out currently in pvp may be in one of the worse states that I have seen it to be in so far in terms of sheer numbers. I have tried multiple ways to play it in pvp, different talent setups of ALL kinds, the “meta” one, the one I usually run, even new setups, but every single ones just come up short. Before the patch, the damage was fine, not ridiculous, not horrible, it was fine. It wasn’t anywhere near as ridiculous as it was during Shadowlands for the last few seasons, but it was actually playable & enjoyable."

Heres the forum post if you wanna read it
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/outlaws-damage-in-pvp-needs-to-be-looked-at/1500503

I've had my 4p since the 3rd day of the last month if your wondering if I had my set

[proper heath]

I'm reading comments. and most people think he is wrong. And people are agreeing with him because he has a nice mog....

[vocal surge]

stat on my Outlaw's pretty much 32% crit, 9% haste, 13% mastery, and 33% vers

[unborn portal]

nice mog low rating no care

[vocal surge]

its probably because people assume PvE damage equates to PvP damage

[proper heath]

regardless. Not here to debate personal opinion. My opinion is my opinion and yours is yours. The fact is . outlaw can get high, they are on the ladder at some of the highest ratings. They are underrepresented. And playing vs good outlaw rogues. They feel very strong. They are in a good place.

[vocal surge]

Yeee

[gleaming pawn]

I have no dog in the race but, even Nahj has gone on record about how low Outlaw damage is, etc. he likes the spec, and he has done well with it but most R1 players can play anything up to 3k

[tribal bay]

i dont think they will

all the people that have climbed as outlaw also say its shit

pshero plays it every day and says its the worst spec in the game while looking stressed as fuck trying to make it work on stream

[proper heath]

yeah because they can press N on their keyboard and respec to assa.

Assa just king atm.

[tribal bay]

sub is much better than outlaw i can almost guarantee everyone will just play sub if assa got a significant nerf

[vocal surge]

^

[proper heath]

And blizzard has been incredibly on point with their buffs and nerfs for pvp. Hotfixes every other week. If they felt, this spec is truly dog shit. They would have buffed. As they have done to boomkins, mistweavers etc.

They clearly have the math necessary to show , they dont need to change it right now.

[vocal surge]

Not really no

[tribal bay]

more like

[vocal surge]

Arms Warrior's Overpower buff pretty much deleted Outlaw's main form of defensive

[tribal bay]

the other 2 rogue specs are already really good

why would we make all 3 too good

when 1 of them can just be a pve spec

[vocal surge]

And every buff has turned Dragonflight more and more to SL but worse

atleast Legendaries and Soulbinds could provide some leeway for exotic non meta comps

which could give some silly entertainment like the Drain Life warlock build that was prevalent in S3+

but in S1

or Outlaw / MM in S2

which was funny watching people zug zug me when they should be going on hunter instead

even if it meant getting dangerously close to 10% hp before vanishing

[minor cape]

i would legit play outlaw if damage wasnt that low

[dusky flower]

I have three rogues. I fucked up and bought outlaw gear on my main... it's been pain. Its fun at times but when you burst for 60k and then watch a secret tech [which is a lame finisher] hit for double. It's not a fully dog shot spec. But it doesn't compare to assas or sub in the slightest.

[tribal bay]

gear isnt that huge of a deal that it makes the other specs unplayable

[dusky flower]

True, gear is easy enough to get again for sub. But still a low key capped I wasted all those conquest capped weeks on outlaw.

[potent pivot]

why would you want to track it?

[tribal bay]

bro mage tower is aids as fuck

why cant i get past 20%

why does this class suck so hard at cleave

[potent pivot]

_>

you'll get it

keep at it

[tribal bay]

if i spend my secret tech on the adds the boss doesnt die fast enough

if i secret tech boss i run out of things for adds

i actually have aids

[potent pivot]

idk in SL the adds were dealt with by using shuriken tornado and black powder

[supple pulsar]

Get nythendra trinket from emerald nightmare

If they didn't nerf it ull see what happend

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm not sure that helps much anymore

could still be ok but the tuning is diff now

[minor cape]

double

my man secret tech sometimes hits for 230k or some shit

and outlaw is like doing okay damage but then when you have to actually kill

you cant

which is a shame cause it seems like a super fun spec with that vanish cooldown and roll the bones

[tribal bay]

black powder does fuck all

no idea why

because it pumps in any other scenario

[minor cape]

pve?

dont they go like shuriken storm black powder 700 times in a row

[tribal bay]

doing mage tower

yeah in dungeons

im not doing 200k dps in here tho

[potent pivot]

you should be able to kill the adds in like ~3 powders

[minor cape]

trickz

can you explain

secret tech gets cut in damage on 5+ targets right?

but in arena it does not damage any adds

would it still be cut?

[tribal bay]

it doesnt?

[minor cape]

nop

[tribal bay]

good

[potent pivot]

it does on pets and shit

[minor cape]

so it doesnt damage but still gets cut

[potent pivot]

if you cleave onto a bunch of things

[minor cape]

bruh

so if i play

vs demo or uh or some shit

on my rotten deeper strat build

[potent pivot]

i don't think it affects the damage you do to your main target

[minor cape]

do i go for er reverb

[potent pivot]

wdym by cut damage

[minor cape]

oooh

so same dmg on main?

nice

[potent pivot]

are you talking about reduced dmg at 5+?

[minor cape]

yes

so like it affects all targets except main

if 5+

[potent pivot]

yeah that shouldn't really come into play in arena much

[minor cape]

nice ty

[potent pivot]

i will double check

[minor cape]

well doesnt matter that much

if main damage still the same

they should have made secret tech single target in pvp

[potent pivot]

even if you're cleaving with it that much

i don't think it'd affect your talent choices

it'll still do a lot of effective dmg

[minor cape]

true still like 40k a hit

on those testing dummies in valdraken

[tribal bay]

nope

[potent pivot]

what do they do in the video guide?

[tribal bay]

hes doign weird shit

rupturing them

and eviserates

taking ages

[potent pivot]

but did he beat it tho

[tribal bay]

somehow hes getting crippling poison up first global 3 shuriken storms i didnt get a single crippling up and just had to throw my last attempt

he used cloak

apparently i need to back pedal but i bound S to rupture

lol

[potent pivot]

yeah you really need to back pedal

that's kinda important

otherwise the room will be covered fast

you can also take Night Terrors

but you'll do a bit less shuriken storm dmg i think

[tribal bay]

i got the furtherst when i did this but i didnt have tornado

then i ran out of stuff to use

ill try again ive got an idea

[potent pivot]

looks like in fuu's guide he sec techs them then shadow strike->evis to finish them off

[tribal bay]

maybe it was my baiting

of the aids

i think thats what it was

[potent pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/475024539693219850/916683394274971708/Final_Phase.mp4

[tribal bay]

because i wasnt back peddaling

[potent pivot]

well for baiting the adds you want to run as far away as possible kinda

[tribal bay]

i mean the big guy

[potent pivot]

as long as you can get back to the boss quickly after killing em

[sharp sierra]

its so funny when ele shamans are still considered casters

when they havent casted once in the last 2 mins of a round

[tribal bay]

yeah

[tribal bay]

let me tell you why that is

its really simple actually

THIS GAME IS A FUCKING VIRUS ON UR PC

thanks for coming to my TEDtalk

[sharp sierra]

i honestly dont see a difference between enh shaman and ele shaman

they both use lightning, lava and whatever

0 spell casts, same spells

[tribal bay]

yup im actually deleting the game until next season when i finish this aids im doing

im sick of everything about this shit game

[sharp sierra]

"sit lock sit ele sit spriest"

yeah if they only took any dmg

i get 1v1d by disc priests for gods sake

pvp is always an afterthought and i see why the majority plays pve

[plucky sage]

Sucks to be you

[tribal bay]

demo locks dont die but the other 2 die

disc priests can die too

and ele

but ye has to be fast

[sharp sierra]

Can you get the x-45 out of the green heart shaped carton you get for doing the instance

[tribal bay]

if i wasn't forced into doing 8 m+20's every week i'd probably enjoy pve

[sharp sierra]

Yeah i like pve but not enough to do every dungeon over and over again. And type out a full essay, give my social, bank statements to get invited to a group.

[vocal surge]

tru

[mental latch]

are battlegroups still a thing in WoW? can you play with all other realms in rbg / arena

[sharp sierra]

given how much solo shuffle canibalized 2v2 and 3v3

i kinda doubt

[proper heath]

no cap. fr fr.

[sharp sierra]

what mmr

[proper heath]

2.9k

[sharp sierra]

damn

[proper heath]

Trying to push my 2nd rogue. can't push or lose if you can't get que

5head

[sly tangle]

Anyone know where to learn First Aid profession in Dragonflight please?!

[proper heath]

its now tailoring

[tribal bay]

i did it

and ill tell u what the prob was the whole time

i just shouldve been in AoE talents and not overthinking it you can send secret technique on the boss and it comes back up just in time for the adds you just have to send it super fast and use full ST raid build

was easy as fk once i got rid of all the dead weight AoE talents

[potent pivot]

gratz

[austere egret]

which poisons should I use as assa?

[plucky sage]

All of them

[wise breach]

Deadly Wound Crippling Numbing

[fierce crystal]

mind vs casters

atrophic vs melee

[sharp sierra]

deadly amp crip numb when i have warrior on team

[glossy moat]

@proper heath I raise you this

3.1k mmr

I think it finally popped last night at 2 hours 10 mins

All that to go 1-5

[proper heath]

Imagine when you and I que for solo, we have time to go shower , make and eat dinner, raise our kids, fix our credit score, before que pops.

The worst part of it is, after any amount of waiting, you're not even in the mood to do shuffle anymore.
like you are pumped when you pressed que... and after an hour, you're just in another headspace.

[minor cape]

i can never seem to get warmed up when shuffling

every shuffle is like first shuffle

[glossy moat]

That’s literally what I do. I went and showered, went to the store near me, grabbed a snack. Checked queue. Payed on bed and watched 3 YouTube videos and then was about to go to bed and it popped

[minor cape]

please give us a 2v2 dps queue

🥹

[glossy moat]

Felt. And then you go 3-3 or lose and it’s like damn. That was dog ass and then queue it up the next day, win 2 and the cycle starts again

[minor cape]

for insta pops

its almost always like i queue shuffle, then see its 25 mins or some shit, invite my friends to play 2s, and once he logs in i immediately get a pop

when you dont even want to play it anymore

healers whine about solo shuffle being hard for them all the time, like dude at least you get to play it

🤯

[proper heath]

I love how for both of us , the "Average wait time" is like ... bro... it's just 12 mins... chill... 🤣

[sharp sierra]

imagine 2v2 solo shuffle without healer requirements

the literal death of organized arenas

[minor cape]

would be a shitshow but a fun one

[glossy moat]

“Bro I said 12 mins from now, if you keep looking I’m gonna make it longer”

[minor cape]

i hate how healers are

tbh

game has to rely on dampening instead of making healers not top people in a second

or mana

im all for a gamemode with no healers

[sharp sierra]

pvp sucks for the casual player lets be real

its easier to hit 2.2k in m+ than it is in pvp

[minor cape]

nah its fun

i just think healers are in a spot where they can kinda heal too much to the point where the game has to have dampening

[glossy moat]

@sharp sierra quiet the opposite

I’ve seen more 14-1500 players at 2200-2400 in solo shuffle than I’d like

ESPECIALLY assa rogues

Pre bleed/Ms nerf they were soooo busted

[minor cape]

shuffle would be the funest shit for a casual

if only the queues were faster

a casual dude might have 3 hours to play

and 2 of them are in queue

[glossy moat]

I mean it doesn’t get that long until you reach 2.8+

Actually 2.8 is quick depending on time of day

But 3k+ is the long stretch

Had my fastest queues around 2.1k-2.4k

[paper iron]

doing 39 bracket with my hunter and got some 70 geared hunter synced for this bracket. Dude is owning the whole place.

40 kills

[sharp sierra]

isnt that solely because they had to do a couple m+ and raids for tier and then to stop

ah u mean pvp

[dusty willow]

i just reached 2900 and i see no point of playing

full fucking pvp gear

everything i do from now is useless

any reason to?

[open minnow]

top10 🙂

[dusty willow]

i see nothing on this

i even got ce as outlaw

[open minnow]

nice

[dusty willow]

wanna play pvp together

whats ur spec we can reach your 1800 idk If youre already 1800, im down for anything

[open minnow]

i play heal since a few days in a team

its rly funny

[dusty willow]

2x2 i can solo pretty much until 2200

whats ur mmr

[open minnow]

1,7 on solo

played 150 games now

[dusty willow]

damn im down

[dusky flower]

lol 540 2v2's fuck with me

[open minnow]

😄

[spring bough]

frozen devo 44k crits for a round win is so awesome lol

finding out i like outlaw in pvp more with 2/2 cto over greenskin lol

[keen oasis]

Can u cloak enemy deathmark or only pre cloak it?

[lunar granite]

U can't cloak it at all

[sharp sierra]

go into pve and show these m+ andies

[obsidian moon]

U can dodge deathmark

[torpid coyote]

Guys I was playing around as Outlaw and something keeps knocking me out of stealth on arena matches, anyone know why that keeps happening?

Is the subterfuge bug back but for sap or something?

[sharp sierra]

subterfuge bug?

i know of mw and hunter pets removing you out of stealth for no reason

[torpid coyote]

A bug around the first month or so that caused grappling hook to remove stealth if you grabbe subterfuge

I tried to replicate it in a skirmish game but couldnt manage to figure out what was going on

I've heard some buffs like the crafting Incense can knock you out of stealth so I dont know if there's other similar class auras that might be causing the problem

And I'm sure it wasn't someone hitting me because it didn't get me in combat, I managed to restealth just fine a couple of times

It happened during the opener after I hooked forward and sapped their healer.

And it repeated around 4 times out of the 6 matches

[clever prawn]

is there a macro to throw on all 4 poisons for arena?

[worthy widget]

anybody else thinking that the queues got unbearable?

or is it just me hitting 1600

[hasty nebula]

Is there a reason for not getting a mace offhand for vers/mastery @ 424 ilev?

Instead of drakebreaker dagger which is 421?

[worthy widget]

cuz u need daggers for sub/assa

[bold bison]

fast offhand is pretty big PvE DPS increase vs. slow, whereas offhand damage doesn't matter at all really

but I feel like the increase is mega negligible in PvP

no-one can tell the difference between a sub with a 421 dagger and a 424 mace in OH

[spring bough]

going 6-0 feels so good lol

[potent pivot]

Daggers better

[potent pivot]

You can tell the difference in combo point procs

[spring bough]

no more conquest cap farm up two dags lol

[bold bison]

not necessarily a good thing when you're playing ER I guess

[potent pivot]

Doesn’t matter if you’re playing ER or not

[bold bison]

sure it does, you think you're about to send the animacharged evis on 3cp and ShT ticks over to 4

[potent pivot]

That was the excuse in SL, doesn’t really matter for ER anymore

[bold bison]

the worst feeling imaginable

even worse when it's a 2cp animacharge

[potent pivot]

All the top players are using dagger

Even when playing ER

[bold bison]

I am too

[potent pivot]

Promise you it doesn’t matter lol

[bold bison]

I mean that's literally what I said

[potent pivot]

I’m saying ER doesn’t matter

[bold bison]

doesn't matter at all, won't feel any different or look different to others

[potent pivot]

Not that weapon doesn’t matter

[bold bison]

ER doesn't matter to me because I go sideways when I hit my animacharged CPs

you'll still get ShT proc with a mace, a dagger is probably a few hundred DPS extra sustained dmg with 100% uptime

but if you want to mog a single thunderfury and use a mace offhand I doubt it will lose you a single game

[potent pivot]

That isn’t what you said before

You said no one would notice, obviously everyone does. It might not lose you a game but that’s anecdotal

[bold bison]

am I smoking crack here

you said you can tell dagger because of CP procs. I said that's not always a good thing because you could send a 3-4cp finisher on accident. it's a minimal difference either way

I have no strong feelings about this

[potent pivot]

nah, it's not a huge difference. but it's noticeable

using a slow OH is kinda pointless if there's a fast one with good stats

3 ilvl on your OH is kinda w/e compared to running a slow wep

[bold bison]

yea but

sick mog

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

having a whole lot of fun with this outlaw build. lil diff take but its pretty fun feels tanky BQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJIRkEBikQCJBJJRSIikkkkIAAAAAAARJJ4AlkASQAAAA

[dusk spindle]

sometimes i like to play with ZR and idk if it stacks with septic wounds so i would generally like to pop it with ZR and kingsane*

[potent pivot]

ZR?

[dusk spindle]

the increase bleed and poison damage when target iis below 35%

[potent pivot]

ah zoldycks

but septic wounds is the tier set bonus

there's like 0 reason to track it

it does stack

btw

[dusk spindle]

wait 4PC is only bleed damage or is it both poisons and bleed?

oh okay nvm, just realized it doesnt affect kingsbane all

[potent pivot]

2pc is weapon poisons

4pc is bleeds

[dusk spindle]

ok, thank you!

[spring bough]

back to duelist with outlaw after the fth nerf feels so nice lol

[vocal surge]

are we getting another nerf?

[spring bough]

no lol. i got duelist before the outlaw nerfs and lost it after. finally got it back

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

off to elite without greenskin or ima atleast try lol

[potent pivot]

one thing i will say about this

outlaw is pretty tanky already with the build most people run, it's biggest issue is the lack of dmg

but if it's working for you i don't see anything wrong with it

[spring bough]

i might be superstitious about crimson vial talents cause ive won a few where im at like 5-10% health lol

i just need to be ontop of hitting it everytime its off cd though cause i forget sometimes

[vocal surge]

True

So close to duelist e-e

[spring bough]

2131 and ima keep pushing till i dont win lol

[vocal surge]

tryna push my way to duelist with no pvp addons as Outlaw

[spring bough]

sounds rough id screw up my stuns without a dr counter lmao

[vocal surge]

honestly, it isn't very bad

just getting rolled by specs like Sin rogues

because of their ability to hit hard casually

or warriors overpowering through Evasion

[potent pivot]

why?

[vocal surge]

I just dont have addons installed

and im too lazy to go set them up

only got my pve ones active

[potent pivot]

[vocal surge]

x)

I should have time on Monday to go setup some stuff for PvP

[sleek belfry]

why intentionally play at a lower level

[vocal surge]

🇱 🇦 🇿 🇮 🇳 🇪 🇸 🇸

[sleek belfry]

this game has so many barriers to a fair match in pvp you really should embrace addons imo

[vocal surge]

Yeee

[sleek belfry]

weakauras alone are huge, let alone UI stuff

[vocal surge]

the only WA I have is the one I made in SL

which is hp bar, energy, combo points, and RTB buffs + Feint and SnD

pain

lost rating I gained

-48 for 1 loss (2-4) >.>

[proper heath]

Lol !!!

That hurts

-50 for one loss . Ooooooof

[jolly sierra]

happens

i lost 60 once

for 2-4

[tribal bay]

would be fun as hell bro

[tribal bay]

thats why i stopped playing with ER it feels like shit as sub compared to assa where it feels so smooth

[deep monolith]

has anyone else noticed that evoker cauterize sometimes does not fully dispell all bleeds and poisons when deathmark is applied?

i think it may have to do with bleeds not being considered debuffs because of the duplication

[unborn portal]

[graceful ravine]

seems like inflation is working slowly... last week 2400 in 3s is #360

today its #404

[potent pivot]

did they already start injecting mmr

i know they brought it up in a post the other day

[graceful ravine]

they said itll start the 10th week

are we in the 10th week?

[potent pivot]

they said they didn't inject any for the first 10(?) weeks which was obviously a mistake

idr how long it's been since season start tbh

with the addition of rss seems like inflation needs to be active starting on week 1

[graceful ravine]

they said inflation wasnt in RRS

which is crazy so all the inflation is due to actual players playin the game

[potent pivot]

no i'm saying in 2s and 3s

[graceful ravine]

i know

[potent pivot]

oh

yeah

3.3k rss already

[graceful ravine]

thats good for the game

now give it some rewards and its gg

[potent pivot]

mmr not being affected for leavers

probably had a role to play in that

a bit

[spring bough]

30 min que for a priest to go 0-6. all dps 0 rating and priests went +-72 each lol

[spring bough]

finally passed 2200 with the law. 166 till elite feel so close

[vocal surge]

ngl

that ring from Vault of the Incarnates looking mighty tasty

[potent pivot]

.>

which one?

[vocal surge]

Seal of Diurna's Chosen

ilvl 421
750 Stamina
301 Critical Strike
909 Versatility

[potent pivot]

idk how worth that it'd be to farm tbh

unless you're gonna use the pve crafted helm as well, which breaks cc and iirc is nerfed in pvp

[vocal surge]

The stats on it is really good for Outlaw

[potent pivot]

ye but like

how good is that really going to be compared to just using a 2nd conq ring

to be worth trying to get a mythic ring

[vocal surge]

main difference boils down to versatility

also I already got 2 of my Mythic Raid slots done

[potent pivot]

yeh i mean if you're already mythic raiding then why not ig

[vocal surge]

it has yet to come from G-Vault ;-;

[potent pivot]

you could just craft a 418 signet with crit/vers afaik

[vocal surge]

already got a crafted 418 ring w. crit/vers

[potent pivot]

have you actually killed the boss it drops from

[vocal surge]

its literally the first boss

[potent pivot]

oh pog

[vocal surge]

that drops the ring

xD

[potent pivot]

i have looked at basically 0 pve things so far this expac

i checked a few trinkets and effects early on

[vocal surge]

Makes sense lol

[unborn portal]

@potent pivot 20 a week inject kinda crazy

[potent pivot]

tbh i think it's fine considering we went so long without any at all

[unborn portal]

really depends on season length

[potent pivot]

there's only going to be a certain amount of weeks until the season is over so they had to bump it up from the usual amount

we're already over half way through the season as far as i can tell

[unborn portal]

[potent pivot]

10.0.7 around the corner

already on the ptr

etc

[waxen meteor]

so how's ret in 10.0.7

[jolly sierra]

ask the same lol

[tribal bay]

damn

i might be more addicted to mage tower than SS now wtf

[sly tangle]

HELP - How do i stop dying to Decay everytime I harvest Rousing decay herbs

[graceful ravine]

@waxen meteor hello 😄

[waxen meteor]

It supposes to be a chill game and a valentine event then log off

for god sake, again?

[graceful ravine]

nope not me

[waxen meteor]

sub + surv

K really not you

Chill and log out ..

[jolly sierra]

cloak of shadows? lol

[lucid citrus]

anyone have a good outlaw build?

[keen oasis]

Don't you just have to jump lol?

[sly tangle]

I spam jumps still dead

[potent pivot]

#pvp-faq ?

[paper hornet]

bruh 58 min ques at 2600 arms 40+ min ques on fresh rogue i just want some gear

[proper heath]

this is the life you signed up for

Welcome to solo shuffle.

[rancid cipher]

Should I craft head or feet 1st?

[potent pivot]

Feet

[glossy moat]

Zzzzzzz

@proper heath

[spring bough]

Logged in yesterday morning hit solo shuffle que and it was an instant pop. Don’t think I’ll ever get that lucky again lol

[proper heath]

Ur sub aren't u bitch. Because those aren't the rankings for assa 😄

[graceful ravine]

That’s either an old screenshot or not for rogues

Im past 3k and im like ranked 40 something

[proper heath]

It's almost like... we survived the nerfs.. and we still be climbing

Speaking of. When these disc nerfs coming.

[glossy moat]

Not for rog, just hit 2.5 on my rog

I need two accounts, queue on both

[proper heath]

Hehe was about to say. Those dont look right to us if it was rogue 😄

[glossy moat]

I’m thinking about making an eu acc since I’m in korea, will be similar ping maybe even better and just queue on both at same time lol

Yeah haha. Just barely delving into high mmr on rogue

Only so many hours in the day. Secured safe r1 on sham so ima play other classes now

[proper heath]

Play other classes? BLASPHEMY

You must make more shamans. And get them to the same ranking. And only have shamans.

We need more shamans in NA for sure.

[spring bough]

The elite rankings are by class for solo? If I were to hit 2400 later today I think that’s 10th on outlaw for US that would feel so good to be a top 10 lol

[jolly sierra]

ye by class

so MMR in shuffle isnt afected by inflation?

[wise breach]

Should be

[jolly sierra]

gonna check later, i need to gear up the alts, specially the ret lol

[potent pivot]

Don’t think so @jolly sierra

Shuffle should be all generic inflation from people playing

[jolly sierra]

well, need a confirmation

[potent pivot]

It was confirmed

The other day

[jolly sierra]

agh

[potent pivot]

In the blizzard post about pvp

[jolly sierra]

well, then i'll play w rog again very soon

[potent pivot]

2v2 and 3v3 mmr injection for manual inflation should start this week iirc

[jolly sierra]

yep

[proper heath]

I didn't see the roadmap. Does nayone know when the next season starts?

[jolly sierra]

10.0.1

bah

10.1.0

are fkn confusing the numbers

[wise breach]

That post never specified that inflation is only 2v2 and 3v3

I read it as the 20mmr per week will be applied to all brackets, but could be wrong

[potent pivot]

Could’ve sworn it said shuffle wasn’t getting it

Though I could be wrong

[proper heath]

I would safely assume not solo shuffle. That would be insane.

We'll be seeing like 4k rating by the end of the season if its inflated

[wise breach]

Well I should be able to tell you sometime this next week, I haven't queued shuffle in a couple weeks

[proper heath]

Solo shuffle is getting inflated every day.

[wise breach]

From participation yes

But if the other system is also in place my MMR will have gone up from sitting

[proper heath]

yeah. No need to artificially inflated it. I'm sure the devs know that

Or else... if you walk into shuffle and cast 1 healing spell... lose all 6 games... and still + 150 rating by the end of the season

[potent pivot]

You may be right I don’t see it specify in the post

But I agree with Sonnics inflating shuffle would just be weird

[wise breach]

Yeah I don't disagree that shuffle doesn't need it in general, however, there is an MMR cap at the very top, and it's a bit awkward for those pushing for Crimson Legend

[potent pivot]

It’s already on track to hit 3.5k+ on its own

[jaunty mirage]

yeah this was the major discussion in most pvp forums

they never specified, so its def possible shuffle gets the inflation too which would be hilarious

2v2/3v3 with inflation will still have a hard time competing with normal shuffle

giving shuffle inflation you might as well remove the other brackets from the game

surely they wont

[jolly sierra]

found this pic from outdoor in SL pre event when killing nathanos was a thing

glad he is dead

[proper heath]

People will be like "I'm 4k Solo shuffle. 1700cr 3s tho".

[jolly sierra]

min 4k xp

[jaunty mirage]

hahaha

[proper heath]

My Monitor is 4k

mmr has to catch up

[potent pivot]

[jaunty mirage]

have you seen that dk clip someone made

err

dh

[proper heath]

What happened

[jaunty mirage]

sec ill see if i can find it

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/103v9wt/demon_hunters_pov_when_they_hit_2400_in_solo/

[proper heath]

lol!

[jaunty mirage]

yeah its kind of amazing

was from the start of the season when dh was completely out of control

[jolly sierra]

so edgy

[potent pivot]

[wise breach]

Tbf though shuffle rating past 2.4 doesn't matter unless competing for Crimson Legend

As long as inflation makes it easier to push for gladiator, it should bring some people back to 3v3

[jaunty mirage]

yeah just depends how much easier

[sharp sierra]

Bruh leveling a war is ridiculously fast. I went from 26 to 60 in about 5 1/2 hours just queuing chrimied Bc dung’s as prot.

[tawny kestrel]

except it cant cus mmr is hard capped at 3300

[potent pivot]

It was a joke

[obsidian moon]

does secret teq work on blue combo point?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[obsidian moon]

thx

[quasi wren]

Is any PVE piece worth using in PVP ?

Lariat for example

Also, is it worth using Mythic Tier set instead of Honor gear ? (at least to get 2pc)

[plucky sage]

Yes and yes

Lot of top ranked players run 418 lariat and mythic tier gear is 421, 3ilvls in PvP won't break you.

[wicked rampart]

Mythic shoulder and I think helm tier are actually 424 so no brainer there

[quasi wren]

Thanks boys:)

[dusky flower]

@quasi wren just use the catalyst to swap your conquest gear into tier. And from what I've seen the neck is only like a 1% increase and just super min max

[quasi wren]

Yeah, I am missing 1 more charge for 2pc for PVP

[radiant glen]

i hate awc

[sly tangle]

HELP - Anyone know why this macro isn't working?

I want to press 1 for Mutilate, shift 1 for fan of knives, ctrl 1 for poison knife

[wicked rampart]

What works/doesn't work with it currently? Only thing that jumps out at me is missing spaces after the close brackets for FoK and PK lines, but I don't remember if that's necessary syntax or just how I've always formatted mine for readability

[sly tangle]

I just figured out why doesn't work, I have shift 1 and ctrl 1 on action bar. I need to remove those keybindings first , then macro works.

[wicked rampart]

That'll do it too lol

[fierce laurel]

Why not just put fok and poisoned knife there and not use macros
I’ve been doing that since vanilla.

[wicked rampart]

I'd imagine just personal preference on saving bar space if you condense them all into a macro instead, esp for things you don't need to worry about tracking CD's on

[compact lava]

What should your mindset be as an outlaw in rbg? Should you be in group skirmishes or trying to win 1v1s?

[lavish idol]

some advice, sub rogue in solo, do you struggle vs double melee (warr ret etc) groups?

[lavish idol]

also is solo queue 20 mins normal? first time I queued was 3 min

[spring bough]

Is it wins over 2400 that give the concentrated primal to make the 418 lariat?

[fierce laurel]

Yes.

[spring bough]

That’s going to be rough to do as outlaw lol. Pvp neck it is for me. Hopefully can finally get that elite title later tonight

[wise breach]

It's not worth trying to farm concentrated primal focus from PvP

Drop rate is abysmal

Better off running M+

[candid viper]

In RBG's? Doing as the leader tells you. Mostly guarding flags or trying to ninja.

[normal widget]

is this intented behaviour if I have 5 stacks of wound poison on a target use poinsed knife it resets all the stacks? this seems like a bug or not?

[potent pivot]

it's in the pins

[normal widget]

oh ty lol

seems dumb

[plucky sage]

If it's capping flag like in AB, you want to control a cap. You sap sap sap to spin people out of cap. You stall until your backup arrives. You 2v1 if you have to blind fight, and cloak and vanish out and sap again.

[potent pivot]

yeah it's kind of annoying

[normal widget]

good have mostly never used throwing knife

[plucky sage]

You protect flag carrier or kill EFC with other stealthers to run past the brawls

[compact lava]

but whats the strength of playing outlaw in comparison to the other two spec?

[normal widget]

so are you guys all maniacs playing without weakauras for ressource/cp in arena? Came back from only doing pve and now my eyes are mostly glued to my weakaura in the middle of the screen and I have no idea whats going on

[plucky sage]

Well sadly sub is the king for this role. Although outlaw has low blind CD so it can work too. You can still sap blind cloak vanish etc, which all help you to stall and spin out enemies' caps

[potent pivot]

WA pack for abilities no

WAs that pop up when enemies use certain abilities yes

there's multiple ways to track energy/combo points without using a WA

[plucky sage]

Yeah WAs aren't as nice or necessary in PvP. Situational awareness>tracking CDs via WA since you can just check bars. You don't need a 99 parse DPS log to win at PvP, you need to make decisions based on what's happening around you.

[compact lava]

is their sustained aoe damage ever useful compared to other classes?

[plucky sage]

Yeah, personal resource display for hp/energy/CP, and some individual WAs for like psyfiend alert or Wabanner alert

[plucky sage]

Not really, not in PvP

As a rogue you don't want to be in a brawl since warriors and DKs and DHs have a much better kit for it.

[normal widget]

do you have any good links? have found good ones yet only from sl

[potent pivot]

if you go to Mes stream he has links

[plucky sage]

Your strength as a rogue in RBG comes from your insane cc and manoeuvrability

[potent pivot]

he made a decent pack

[plucky sage]

You can still do a good job as outlaw in RBGs, just do rogue work not brawler work

[normal widget]

ty

[plucky sage]

Like the stuff I described

[compact lava]

it sounds like i will just be fulfilling the role of the other two rogues but doing a worse job bc i can't really 1v1 as reliably?

[plucky sage]

You can, plenty of outlaws above 2400 in arena so they're not useless. Plus outlaws has 90s blind rather than 120s. And CDR on vanish. You have sap and blind etc and 2 rogues can do a lot of work stalling a cap if they work together. If other rogue is sub he can do most of the cc the other guy while you 1v1 a target.

[normal widget]

is system shock a bad pvp talent as assa? I just checked and havent seen many play with it from the murlok.io website

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't call it bad, but it's definitely not a popular pick considering it's basically just more damage. we have decent utility pvp talents.

it's amusing to use it or Creeping Venom because people have 0 clue why they are 90% slowed

[bold bison]

Sub PvPers - hold a go for 5-10 seconds so you can press CB SecTec - or send a mini-go and hold your CB SecTec for the next one?

assuming early game with CDs still to trade

[potent pivot]

kinda depends on the situation and how badly you may need the damage, but in most general cases get sec tech back first

also depends on dance charges etc

stun DRs, etc

[fierce laurel]

2996 ss rating. Dammit.

So close.

[potent pivot]

on the cusp

[jolly sierra]

gimme ur valor to reach 2k1, i lost my balls again even without losing

[fierce laurel]

If you only go when you have sec tec you’ll never win games.

You can do other things to increase damage like kidney healer cs both dps instead so your other dps can’t be peeled either.

[bold bison]

I know, I'm asking if it's worth delaying a go if you only need 5-10 sec for those to be off CD

[fierce laurel]

If you’re looking for an amount of seconds to wait for sec tec before going there isn’t one.

[bold bison]

I've been doing micro-gos with just dance and strikes

I guess much like all sub gameplay it's situational? if there's no immediate need to counterpressure or peel but we have a win condition I hold for a bit, if not send a micro-go and get some CDs

[lofty pine]

Which assassination spec is best for Solo? Been trying them but too novice to really tell which to focus on learning with

First time playing rogue since hemo was still in game

[potent pivot]

Any of the builds in #pvp-faq should be good, you can also check out murlok.io or other sites to see popular choices

[jolly sierra]

the most popular in shuffle is the DTB one

murlok.io has the top choices in talents, watch there what to choose

[vocal surge]

Anyone else noticing bots in Solo Shuffle?

[jolly sierra]

nope

just noticed in alts it become easier

[vocal surge]

watching a friend play

and this mage casted Ring of Frost

and instantly cancels it

then avoids multiple interrupts on his main abilities and gets precog off

despite them nearly being done casted

[potent pivot]

there's definitely been a rise on certain actions being botted as far as i can tell

i don't think there's like full-on bots pvping, but there's def some sort of automatic function scripts floating around that i've never seen before

[jolly sierra]

the most noticeable tho are the insta rop or the insta shadowmeld

in this season, but didnt watched any of them personally

[potent pivot]

yeah the RoP one is a dead giveaway

there's really no telling what is truly going on unless we start seeing ban waves unfortunately

[jolly sierra]

do u expect any banwave soon?

[potent pivot]

and with most of the characters using stuff like that are likely quite low CR i wouldn't be surprised if we don't see any sort of action from blizzard about it

honestly i don't, but you never know

i haven't been hearing about bots farming out in the world at all since SL so maybe blizzard has actually cracked down on them, or maybe they're just going unnoticed by the community as well

[vocal surge]

There was also the video from a streamer

where he came across a 3k rated Shammy bot

[potent pivot]

_>

[vocal surge]

you watch the bot stand at spawn

[potent pivot]

i'd have to see that

[vocal surge]

perfectly do his rotation

and not get interrupted at all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZQJwdI948c&ab_channel=Supatease

Not a fan of the clickbait title

but at least he shows the bot lol

[potent pivot]

that is fucking insane

really makes you wonder

are those .1 second root dispels in some lobbies robots?

[vocal surge]

only if its repeated

consistently

[potent pivot]

a big thing i notice is when dispels are late/don't happen or if they are instant

[vocal surge]

also if bots can reach +3k in SS

Doesn't this challenge the validity of Gladiator titles and mounts?

and the prestige of getting it

[potent pivot]

i mean

that's shuffle

[vocal surge]

because what about 3s

[potent pivot]

i highly doubt there's a bot that can reach r1 title range

[vocal surge]

Eventually bots will reach it

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idk

sounds easily detectable

if they have been consistently banning people for getting piloted glad mounts and titles for years

i feel like they'd be able to ban any bots in that range on 3v3 ladder

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Yee

Its still food for thought

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yeah i mean it's wild the lengths people will go

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Yeee

I'd would chase for that Crimson Glad mount if it wasn't for the fact that Outlaw cant kill when they need to kill

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have you given the other specs a shot?

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Haven't had time to go farm out the gear for Sin and Sub

been doing exams and studying for college

if theres 1 spec I would learn thou

It'd probably be sub

since its the closest to Outlaw currently

than Sin

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idk i almost think sin is

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Not really

Sub and Law both have the run away style to go reset

since Outlaw requires stealth to do damage and opportunity procs

Sub is a lot more bursty and can setup kill windows

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_>

i kinda think it's the opposite

for outlaw i mean

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Outlaw is suppose to be in your face

doing damage

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if you're not getting high uptime/cleaving as outlaw that's kind of an issue

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But with how strong Arms Warrior are

with Overpower

you end up playing really defensively

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granted i have barely played it this season i'll be real, but still

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Ye

I have times where I popped off with Blade Flurry

But the other main issue

is killing

I've done Blind --> Saps into healers

but cant deliver a killing blow

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because outlaw is more consistent damage

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and the player I want to kill is at 40% hp

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not really a burst playstyle

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Ye

At least in SL S2

If I had a window of opportunity like that

my consistent dps would kill

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sure, it obv lacks dmg rn

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since 12 seconds is more than enough to kill someone at 40%

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but in it's core playstyle i would def say sin is closer. sin just has actual dmg

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ye

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you can probably hit good rating with sin atm by just doing damage and lobbing CC on the healer periodically

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prob +2k

also working on my pvp setup

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sub is a lot more in and out, but even sub in RSS/3s doesn't need to run for resets super often

but it's definitely more reliant on it's burst windows

didn't you say you play with like, no addons? or am i thinking of someone else

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Ye

I play with no addons

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that's gotta feel rough

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x)

I was at Rival 2

at the start of Dragonflight S1

the only actual addons I use

would be WAs (a tracker I made to keep tabs on my resources like HP, Energy, and Combo Points as well as SND and RTB buffs)

and Details to see who's top DPS and who to CC

the WA I made

Making a new one to be a lil' bit more immersive instead of looking at bars

also prob gonna make a couple other WAs

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wip one

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