wintry dew
408 = elite
#pvp
proper heath
What is heroic ilvl
marble oasis
minor cape
honestly its not that bad in terms of gameplay
waxen meteor
lol it's funny it says 8/9 though
spark egret
i went 4-2
minor cape
ALL YOU DO IS RUN AROUND
crystal furnace
is there a kidney shot/shadowy duel bug? I kidney and immediately duel, and they arent stunned.. this is constantly like 3-4 seconds after "stuns expire" on dh/warr/shams
or maybe its a huge bug with gladiusEx / threat plates both being wrong on DRs, /shrug
potent pivot
or maybe its a huge bug with gladiusEx / threat plates both being wrong on DRs, ...
Duel bugs gladius ye
dark kernel
Sub rogues. What are you guys running. Lingering shadows build for bigger ruptures, or the 5% magic damage.
Rupture seems to hit so noodley for me I'm not sure about investing in making it stronger.
spark egret
why the fuck
is a brew
in this solo
why are tanks
allowed in pvp
yeah im just throwing this one fuck blizzard
crystal furnace
the issue is with kidney shots being immuned same time as i duel, so duel doesnt have time to bug out gladius and show wrong DRs
any macro fix for when duel stops YOU from being able to see the target for 2 seconds lol, like target last enemy macro?
inner tartan
questions is gsw beter the cto in pvp for damage based outlaw
potent pivot
questions is gsw beter the cto in pvp for damage based outlaw
think so ye
spring bough
questions is gsw beter the cto in pvp for damage based outlaw
ive been going back and forth with this. seems like i do a hell of a lot more damage with GSW. i did something ballsy and dropped float like a butterfly for 1/2 cto with GSW and that has been rocking the damage
unborn portal
I wanted to push glad s1 of DF
in 3's
but bigly deflate
depending on season length maybe 20 rating injection go hard
spring bough
why do i feel like people throw games all the time now. just had a warrior after round 1 claim another rogue was using some bots / cheats and then after that he wouldnt use CDs in matches
"that rogue is cheating. he is using some kind of meld bot its nuts" lmao
jolly sierra
persons are cunts in pvp sometimes
but they doesnt know than can be banned for that lol
spring bough
when a healer is going 0-6 and a dps is tanking its so hard to win lol
oh 5 rating away from the next level? yeah here is a match with a "bot" and an 0-6 healer GG
jolly sierra
that happens sometimes too
u can get a very good healer and a dumpster one in the same match
then u get 3-3 and hardstuck
potent pivot
"that rogue is cheating. he is using some kind of meld bot its nuts" lmao
these kind of bot scripts do exist apparently
idk about a bot, like, PRE-melding a stun or something
don't think that is possible
graceful ravine
If only these hackers put a .5 sec delay on it
Would be undetectable and play like gods
But they do .1 sec and get reported
potent pivot
but there's apparently bots which perform reactive play
jolly sierra
or the insta interrupt bots
do u still recall the guy which needed bots to reach 1k8 as monk?
throwing rops in the word barrier?
potent pivot
ye
jolly sierra
what is the point of botting if u will eat the ban later?
spring bough
he said he was melding some lock ability
and said he did it twice lol
but then the botting rogue lost 3 rounds lol
jolly sierra
lemme see
spring bough
holy shit how does flame shock do 332k damage in about 10 seconds of a match LOL
jolly sierra
proper heath
I need hacks , I’m too straight and honest
And people running circles around me
They cc me when I try to reapply poisons mid game . That’s toxic .
fleet verge
I haven't played in like 3 weeks and now I'm trying to finish my rogue alt out to 1800 with a cold and warriors are running at me and I probably just look like this
fleet verge
Shuffle is easiest because no one wants to pvp with me bc I'm very bad
I got to 2k as DH but I don't feel good about it
jolly sierra
just got rival II yesterday and almost full gear
but even w that i have no balls lol
fleet verge
lmao fair
Is there a preference over execute vs full bleed/poisons builds for non-coordinated teams like shuffles?
jolly sierra
imagine, now is not cuz im playing like shit but because im thinking ill get wrecked
emmm
tbh im using the standard build with some points in tiny toxic blades
worked well for me
fleet verge
what'd you give up for tiny toxic?
jolly sierra
sure XD
open minnow
fleet verge
this is my demon hunter brain talking, but how does SBS usage go? Do I just make sure it's rolling on targets and use it as a ranged filler when needed?
jolly sierra
i use it in kidney windows
fleet verge
gotcha. Will try it out if I ever get into a shuffle queue this century 
Losing 100 rating from a 2-4 match hurts real bad
jolly sierra
that is extremely low mmr tho
fleet verge
went from 1740 to 1500 yea
jolly sierra
can u record a match if u can?
fleet verge
if I keep losing I definitely will, I'm just having a weird string of bad plays
jolly sierra
sure, gl in this one
fleet verge
(thats code for I'm playing very poorly and don't want to show it)
jolly sierra
dont worry, no one will bully u here
fleet verge
Was running for my life last match against a BM + MM comp
fleet verge
70k kill shots hurted
fleet verge
shamans can purge bops right
jolly sierra
yes
tribal bay
Kyrian low key sux as sub I’m sorry
Actually feels smooth as butter as assa feels dog as sub
There’s a new spot
tribal bay
Rupture seems to hit so noodley for me I'm not sure about investing in making it...
Rupture pumps
tribal bay
this is my demon hunter brain talking, but how does SBS usage go? Do I just make...
I use it to hit animacharged combos and when ppl are to far and I’m capped
tribal bay
juicy 7p envenom
Yeah then as sub you auto attack and fuck it up
Janky asf I’m making my own build without those wasted talents
jolly sierra
sure go ahead
jolly sierra
i've gone 3-3 3 times in a row and gained.. 1 rating
cmon u already fixed ur MMR if u are gaining points
keep going
tribal bay
Yeah but if you’re tilting then don’t play anymore for a bit
Watch an episode of a show or something and come back
unborn portal
i've gone 3-3 3 times in a row and gained.. 1 rating
WE TAKE THOSE
tribal bay
Theoretically as sun if you had to choose between deeper stratagem and cold blood what would you pick?
As sub*
fleet verge
there is a destro, a frost, and a shadow in this shuffle
save me
another 3-3, 0 rating. 🥹
inner tartan
ive been going back and forth with this. seems like i do a hell of a lot more da...
ok and were is outlaw strong point in pvp rn
waxen meteor
we actualyl did it ❤️
gRAT!
waxen meteor
706 rounds
I am a bit over that but still haven't reached elite yet
drowsy monolith
man don't let that mean anything cus it doesnt
my 709 vs some maniacs 50 rounds vs someone elses potential 5000 rounds
waxen meteor
yeah i am cool, with first season back to wow after 10+ years, i am happy with duelist +
drowsy monolith
jesus thatäs fuckin great man
waxen meteor
but i am not too far from elite but never reach it, so i am a bit annoyed
drowsy monolith
keep playing like that and you'll be posting it soon too
i kept climbing to 2350 ish
i think 4 times i fell under 2k
waxen meteor
i think 4 times i fell under 2k
I can feel you
jolly sierra
i'll try reaching duelist for now, but taking a lot of breaks tho
waxen meteor
Don't worry i stuck at 2200-2300 for weeks now
waxen meteor
I think my problem is still the read of game
jolly sierra
well i think u can get 2k4 max for end season if u are already like that now
waxen meteor
need to know better and check what's going on
drowsy monolith
i made the swap to play battlemaster trinket legit every game
waxen meteor
well i think u can get 2k4 max for end season if u are already like that now
yeah but stuck at 2200-2300 forever doesn't feel good
jolly sierra
battlemaster seems very useful for stun bastards like warriors
waxen meteor
and atm even sub2200
after a bad lose last night
but anyway i wasn't really focusing on the game last night
too much distraction
jolly sierra
<:Sadge:717407928906416130> yeah but stuck at 2200-2300 forever doesn't feel goo...
i know, i was very frustrated in shadowlands when i was hardstuck at 2050
waxen meteor
nothing to blame
drowsy monolith
nice!
jolly sierra
no compromises or waiting for a partner for logging in
drowsy monolith
yeah i lov ethat
drowsy monolith
i've been playing minecraft just to chill while i wait for queues
jolly sierra
yep
drowsy monolith
find thatt inner chill
waxen meteor
nothing to complain no one to blame
jolly sierra
some ppl is crazy af when is alone
drowsy monolith
yeah
jolly sierra
but for some persons is soothing af cuz u are all in urself
and can notice a lot
instead a partner pointing all shit at u
waxen meteor
To read what's going on will take me a while
I am too focus on target
not enough read on other people
i think that's my primary issue
drowsy monolith
i had a period where i started playing way too defensively
waxen meteor
No i mean the killing target haha
drowsy monolith
cause i got nervous
jolly sierra
ahhh happens to me too
i take a lot of deep breaths if i win when im doing that lol
drowsy monolith
i can firmly say the way to go is just yolo garrote everything and spread as much aids as pobbile
waxen meteor
Well dayve said we are offensive class, we kill them before they kill us
or we lose anyway
drowsy monolith
yeah
waxen meteor
drowsy monolith
just blow cds
man
i had a billion games where i died with shit up
cause i was savcing it for clucthces
rather die with no cds left
and work from there
when not to blow vanish for extra garrotes
jolly sierra
i tease a lot starting w exsang in opener
just wanna bait all cds as possible
else i fkn die
drowsy monolith
tried that but never managed
jolly sierra
well i think im going too fast w that
waxen meteor
2 gcd for exsang + dm is annoying
jolly sierra
think ER is enough
ppl uses defensives w that too
sometimes im dumb enough to use that with just 1 bleed
so it expires fast without too much pressure
im seriously thinking in just using it as a safe death landing for late game
drowsy monolith
hahaha i have whiffed a billion death marks
2 seconds left on garrote and then dm
norupture
just die irl on the spot
drowsy monolith
i pretty much save it
every game
pop it around 1 minte 2 minutes in
after im sure the poison sipels are gone
or if i can at least get a kidneys worth of value out of it
jolly sierra
yeah also happens to me than in the heat of moment i just straight kidney shot w DR instead watching the dismishing remaining time
need to fix that
for now im in a winning streak but feels frightening af tbh
drowsy monolith
yeah
my advice
just queue
send it
lose or win who cares
eventually you'll whittle tjhe anxiety down
jolly sierra
yeah i will
specially after having 110 remaining CR for 2k1
my latest match left me scared tho
was an ele a BM and a warrior
won 3-3 with CR difference but OOF
big trauma
anyways im going to sleep need to work tomorrow like almost all ppl
see you later guys, keep going
tribal bay
i made the swap to play battlemaster trinket legit every game
Really
Did you notice a change in damage
tribal bay
i had a period where i started playing way too defensively
I was doing that yesterday and I lost both lobbies after going 6-0 twice by being super aggro
Lost all my progress
drowsy monolith
my damage was about the same
in all my games
it's rare as fuck to just get to pump a massive garrote + rupture and shiv death mark
and then just get full value out of it
i'd rather have a lifeline avaialable all the time
DM damage is more than enough without the trinket
tribal bay
True I forget to hit my trinket outside death mark half the time anyway
Might just get a BM trink seems like a good op
waxen meteor
I feel there's some kind of logic in solo queue
once it starts to reach 30 mins, you sort of get in no matter what
tribal bay
once it starts to reach 30 mins, you sort of get in no matter what
What do u mean
crystal furnace
whats the best shadowy duel cheese for BGs n such?
feel like im not doing the order of attacks right
minor cape
no cheese
get all defensives
shadowy duel
do your secret tech thing
just need enough energy
cause shadowy duel costs a lot
might need to get some classes to not 100% health first
crystal furnace
oh, forgot my kidney shots keep getting immuned with no stun DRs up as i duel, thats why i stopped playing lol
tribal bay
oh, forgot my kidney shots keep getting immuned with no stun DRs up as i duel, t...
Just pump arenas brus it’s where the fun is
mental latch
anyone find that in rbg's, when it comes to 1vs1 vs a monk, warrior or DH you just get absolutely dicked on? i play assa, got 40% vers fully geared and im just getting absolutely chunked, 160k rising sun kicks and 160k mortal strikes - as an assa the highest crit you ever see is a 50k envenom
by the time bleeds do anything your basically dead
main drift
What spec would you call the "Easiest" for a "beginnder - im playing assa atm, and feel like the APM is extremely high 😛
long topaz
What spec would you call the "Easiest" for a "beginnder - im playing assa atm, a...
Assa, apm is higher on both other specs.
main drift
I was considering Feral instead - anyone knows anything in that way around? 😄
plucky sage
Feral isn't gonna be easier than assa, it's about the same. Except more snapshotting which with Assa you only have to worry about empowered garrotes
main drift
Makes sense
plucky sage
Also feral has weaker defensives, barkskin and wall are ok, evasion and cloak are much better.
tribal bay
anyone find that in rbg's, when it comes to 1vs1 vs a monk, warrior or DH you ju...
Press evasion then put up bleeds and exsang into deathmark into kyrian and 7 cp envenoms
They won’t survive that without a healer
plucky sage
What spec would you call the "Easiest" for a "beginnder - im playing assa atm, a...
In terms of classes in general, the easiest are warrior, DK, DH
(melee wise)
tribal bay
anyone find that in rbg's, when it comes to 1vs1 vs a monk, warrior or DH you ju...
Like all those classes rely on physical dam and if the DH uses the hunt then cloak it
bold bison
You do practically nothing outside of a dance and try to set up kills with Danse Macabre stacked Cold Blood sectecs
But I think the rotten build plays more like SL
The Kidney nerf and PvP trinket CC reduction effect impacted Sub the hardest through
keen magnet
You do practically nothing outside of a dance and try to set up kills with Danse...
can you tell me your opener/burst rotation?
bold bison
I'm playing BUQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFAAAJlEAAAAAAAhkkkIJQACSiIJJJJJJRKik0QkQSAEBAAAA but there's room to experiment
get 1cp - dance - Kidney - strike - evis - echoing - sectec - cheapshot
then either send an evis if you land on an animacharged CP, or wait and do a triple DR cheap into evis
keen magnet
thanks im gonna test this
bold bison
as usual with sub tho there's no fixed rotation, that one there works well with a duel to nearly oneshot someone
but some goes you want to kidney the healer and just do a cheapshot stunlock on DPS, just depends on what your team mate is doing tbh
you're a support class that can do big pump for 3-4 seconds twice a minute basically
your rupture does a shitload with that build so keep it up between goes and peel/disrupt
bold bison
4 of the top 10 solo shuffle players on EU are sub
keen magnet
i tried it in a couple of duels
i dont think its much of a difference between the regular sectec build
still shit
keen magnet
i would love to know what they do
keen magnet
you can watch Ras VODs, he queues Sub in solo
can you link me something?
keen magnet
thank you
tribal bay
can you tell me your opener/burst rotation?
bro honestly the kyrian builds feel like dog shit
i made my own and its doing way bigger damage and has sustain outside dance
sacrificed hardly any burst
keen magnet
can you show the build?
tribal bay
ill PM it to u i dont think the admins like ppl sharing rando builds around but u can decide for urself if u like it
i reckon its super bursty and it has really good sustain i rly like it
plucky sage
Can you describe what you changed at least?
tribal bay
i got rid of kyrian because i hate it and it feels bad
and i took the energy talents on the left
and on the spec tree i took gloomblade and weaponmaster
tribal bay
having 150 energy and thistle tea seems pretty good to me because i wont run out of energy using cheaps etc or during duel
yep
7cp
i dropped cold blood
havent even noticed a diff in damage without it
plucky sage
Oh, interesting
tribal bay
i felt like kyrian was scuffing that whole build somehow
it feels bugged or some shit
plucky sage
Like not giving full CP damage on anima charges?
tribal bay
yeah
plucky sage
I felt that too
tribal bay
feels way better without it
plucky sage
I'll give it a shot later
tribal bay
and i can still take cold blood if i drop thistle tea and seal fate im gonna try both variations
bold bison
do any of you guys know if there's a way to configure Gladius (or a gladius alternative) where I can give all stun DRs the same icon (like kidney), all gouge/blind effects the gouge/blind icons?
plucky sage
You mean like if a mage sheeps you'll see blind icon on DR when you're on rogue?
Doesn't sArena do that? Nor sure, but worth checking out
bold bison
thanks I'll take a look
that's exactly what I meant btw
my brain sometimes isn't fast enough with like... fear icon
jagged moon
How high can you probably climb in solo shuffle if you just smorc a target with assa and throw kicks/blinds/saps/disarms on other targets?
tribal bay
Doesn't sArena do that? Nor sure, but worth checking out
i think it does
orchid plinth
do any of you guys know if there's a way to configure Gladius (or a gladius alte...
Diminish allows u to right click the category and enter a name/id:
I THINK GladiusEX has something like that as well?
tame rivet
why don't people play with elusiveness/cheat death anymore?
potent pivot
why don't people play with elusiveness/cheat death anymore?
they do
tame rivet
murlok.io top 50 people on both 3s and solo shows 0 of them use that talent, unless the interface is bugged.. again
potent pivot
the interface has been bugged since the 10.0.5 talent tree updates
so everything except where talents were moved shows correctly
potent pivot
it's just where feint used to be and where arterial precision is now that are bugged or w/e
tame rivet
dam, guess someone lied when they told me it still shows feint but applies to new talents
I see, thankies Trickz
potent pivot
np, if ever in doubt just check people's armories
you'll see clearly everyone still takes elu
tame rivet
yup, i'm heading there right now, should've done that first hand 
i've also seen quite some people running the set shoulders with haste vers - are they ... a better option than the conquest crit vers ones?
potent pivot
i've also seen quite some people running the set shoulders with haste vers - are...
yep
tame rivet
hmm, may i ask why?
potent pivot
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste=/=Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Crit>Haste>Mastery
potent pivot
you already get more crit than you'd want from the tier set
idk why you'd ever buy crit shoulders
unless you're talking about outlaw specifically
tame rivet
a gift from the vault probably, can't remember tbh
aight, time to use them catalysts then, thanks again
proper heath
idk why you'd ever buy crit shoulders
Pfft ,Full crit gear and gems. Master assas. Talent SEPSIS! See where I'm going? #shadowlands #stepsis #livingmybestlife #inflation
tame rivet
solo shuffle queue gets more and more atrocious by the week, in terms of time
proper heath
Yep, You have to set aside at least 1 hour to do 1 solo shuffle. 45 mins for que. 15 mins for shuffle.
alpine tinsel
Y'all what makes chaos bolts cast on multiple targets?
sly tangle
HELP - Anyone has a list of all the consumables for PVP? I feel I'm missing something important... 😭
sly tangle
Yeah consumables buffs
Like The Mad Duke's Tea and all the consumable buffs you can use
warm lance
sly tangle
<:hmmge:917892342705430529>
You and everyone are probably missing some very important buffs, that's why I ask if anyone got a list noted down
potent pivot
You and everyone are probably missing some very important buffs, that's why I as...
nope
potent pivot
Y'all what makes chaos bolts cast on multiple targets?
Havoc or something. one of the core destro abilities
potent pivot
there aren't any
sharp sierra
How is destruction and aff in pvp? Ran into a affliction in solo shuffle and he looked pretty useless.
potent pivot
aff was really good at the start of the expac, feel like they fell behind a bit now
destro is really good rn
sharp sierra
Destro is fun. I had a lot of fun with it back in wotlk.
Demo i always hated even back in the day when i came back a month or so ago i started leveling my lock first and got to 66 and just don’t like the demo style so went back to the rogue.
Affl was probably my favorite lock spec back then
My best time in wow was right before BC came out. Me and a friend used to run around world pvping killing whole groups of 5 with me being a lock and him a priest.
light estuary
which healers can dispel posions/bleeds (death mark)?
sharp sierra
Dwarf stone form 😅
frozen falcon
survival mending bandage
sharp sierra
Dung scaling is weird. Ran a dung with a mage that ran right in and blinked into a group of mobs while i’m on my priest so in my head i’m like okay i can see how this is going to go and he 1 shot everything the entire run. Then i chromie to cataclysm to just run some old dung’s and i couldn’t even keep a tank topped off running out of mana
jolly sierra
HELP - Anyone has a list of all the consumables for PVP? I feel I'm missing some...
u have bandages as consumable and versa food if u are panda
just that
light estuary
which healers can dispel posions/bleeds (death mark)?
lol bump
sharp sierra
Druid can do poison.
Don’t think anything can take off bleeds except a pally bubble.
Which is my mind is why dwarf is the best rogue race.
They can cloak to remove everything but bleeds and then stone form to get rid of the bleeds
sharp sierra
lol bump
Sham pally and Druid can get rid of poison
And pretty sure nothing get rid of bleeds except stoneform for dwarfs.
warm lance
Evokers remove bleeds
And thats dps and healer
Also DI Dwarf removes everything with racial
sharp sierra
Yeah i want DI dwarf for another rogue and mag orc but don’t feel like putting the time in.
brisk solar
Man, Having such a hard time going from assas to sub and get damage out. any good video explaining rotation and such that are upp to date?
Is rotten better den DM DB?
proven kayak
sub is not that bad after a big break played sub and seems cool
light estuary
ty @sharp sierra@warm lance
tawny kestrel
Man, Having such a hard time going from assas to sub and get damage out. any goo...
what kind of damage are u expecting to get out exactly?
sub wont look like it does a lot of damage on details or anywhere
brisk solar
I dont know it just feels like wet noodles from time to time
brisk solar
Yeah thats what i was looking for and did not se any dmg there
tawny kestrel
practice
brisk solar
Okey so it's even more setupbased then im playing it like then
tawny kestrel
its not necessarily setup based
but u need to make sure u get ur ER cold blood secret tech out as often as u can
brisk solar
oh, im not even specced into Er atm.. brb:D
tawny kestrel
😄
minor cape
you can play wout er
i do at least cause faster
🥹
but u need deeper strat and secret strat for that
brisk solar
Yeah thats what im doing atm. But im gonna try ER and se if i feel the deeps
Looking at the rotten build that is linked on the pvp-faq page. they go Er but not sectec at all tho. kinda combining rogue talents from rotten but going sectec build on sub side then
minor cape
try pikaboos build
i tried er build too but dont see the point in wasting 1 more gcd
to do the same secret tech
unless its the dark brew no rotten thing
mortal isle
Been playing assa in solo shuffle the last couple of weeks; struggling vs demon locks and DHs just shredding me, any tips?
Feel like I can't kill them and they put too much pressure on me or my teammate unless they horribly misplay (sit in kidney smoke etc).
brisk solar
ikr adskaya
haveing alot of combo points all game vs every 45 sec. but im gonna try and se if i get burstier
brisk solar
Yes true, thank you for replying:)
bold bison
It’s significantly more difficult than Assa which can basically tunnel vision the kill target up to duelist, but significantly more rewarding to play imo
Especially difficult with a team that uses short duration stuns on everything lol
brisk solar
Yeah sub feels more fun if you can get the hang of it indeed!
graceful ravine
we actualyl did it ❤️
grats!!
drowsy monolith
thanks ❤️
graceful ravine
sheesh the mdi has 26k+ views rn on warcraft twitch
thats more than double the awc
graceful ravine
sub rogue isnt a noob friendly spec, esp with random triple dr stuns that happens at that cr
but they also trinket air and use defensives randomly, youre gonna need to recognize those win conditions quick and capitalize on it
keen magnet
i'd like to think that i have a decent understanding of rogue, got 2.3k last season
not saying that im the best
but this iteration of sub
idk
cant make it work
graceful ravine
are you triple ccing ?
keen magnet
i tried some 3s with a couple of friends today and it went a lot better
graceful ravine
sub is a set up spec, you gotta cc to win, if you zug zug in the middle you will lose
tawny kestrel
as you can see from my damage im not pve'ing them xd
by the looks of it u arent doing really anything
ur damage is extremely low
while u shouldnt be doing the same as the rest of them, 4 mil when theyre all at 10+ mil is really really low
are u getting cold blood + secret tech out off cd?
and keeping ruptures up
keen magnet
im not keeping ruptures up
tawny kestrel
what talents are u playing
keen magnet
tawny kestrel
ah
keen magnet
what talents are u playing
im gonna try this build now
tawny kestrel
👍
sleek belfry
i don't think the build dif is gonna explain the damage diff tbh
minor cape
nah he switched to more sustained build
minor cape
ooh oke
sleek belfry
❤️ in a league promo but will peep asap ty
tawny kestrel
dont think u have to try that to tell that its awful
minor cape
yeah true
still wondering if some dude would occasionally take aoe pve build and surprise some melee dudes 
would be funny
nvm
crystal furnace
vs'd a 6-0 warlock, i'd ignore that match
keen magnet
its just weird that sub relies on a pve ability and a bleed to do damage
tawny kestrel
what would u like it to rely on
keen magnet
hard hitting evis
fierce crystal
Its not sustainable to rely on a finisher
keen magnet
maybe
bold bison
My Evis often hits for 100k+ during big goes
keen magnet
atleast remove the pve ability to be our only big damage
kyrian sub from SL was fun
felt rewarding and was fair to play against
tawny kestrel
evis hits hard too
u can play a build without secret tech if u want to
its just more cc reliant
tawny kestrel
i think its just this
BUQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFAAARLBAAAAAAQIJJJSiIJSSCCAJRSSScASSSBJJkEARAAAA
snow whale
Does anyone have a build without kyrian ? Hâte it
crystal furnace
How about a build with the biggest one shot when you catch someone without trinket?
snow whale
Sounds great
crystal furnace
i mean i want that build lol
snow whale
lmao
graceful ravine
How about a build with the biggest one shot when you catch someone without trink...
biggest cheese build
graceful ravine
the cdr version is fun too, does slightly less damage tho
crystal furnace
whats the attack order for the first one? flag right before kidney? secteq at the end? throwing in a backstab for danse?
graceful ravine
Assuming no trinkets - have snd/rupture on target and 7 CP
- Flag
- Kidney + Duel
- Sblades,symbols dance, Evis
- SS
- Secret Tech + CB
- SS
- SS or CS
- Evis
they should die within the duel, depending on class
jolly sierra
when do u use battlemaster? all the time or just with specific classes?
bought both insignia and battlemaster in conquest, but need more info about the latest
tawny kestrel
that site is fried most of the time
tacit crane
Really? Huh
snow whale
How many sets pieces do we go as sub - 4 ? Or 2 with conquest ?
bold bison
depends on your build
snow whale
I’m not really good so the most straightforward id say
Trying dm db atm but can chamgr
Change
bold bison
DM/ER/SecTec is probably the most 'straightforward' since it can do big boorst, whereas Rotten builds need more setup
tawny kestrel
rotten is just worse but ye
bold bison
so the big cheese build is full mastery gear/no set, whereas Rotten and other builds can beenfit from 4-set
raz is here, listen to raz not me
snow whale
Ok
tawny kestrel
what u said is correct dont worry 😛
basically as sub atm
a lot of people seem to think u need perfect setups and stuns on everything
u really dont
main thing u should do is make sure u get ur big damage out as often as possible
(cold blood + secret tech)
snow whale
I’ve seen 3 diff build on the faq
tawny kestrel
ye ik
u can play a few different ones
dark brew is the most consistent
americans might tell u differently
but eu has better sub rogues
so rather trust that
(up to u ofc)
snow whale
Ok thank you
bold bison
raz if you get peeled on your go before the sectec would you send it after dance ends, or hold for next go?
tawny kestrel
depends if u committed cold blood or not
bold bison
nah I have it macroed from PvE
tawny kestrel
then just hold
snow whale
So basically i go DM DB build with kyrian and no set
tawny kestrel
if u forced cds without using ur shit then u can chill
tawny kestrel
So basically i go DM DB build with kyrian and no set
ye thats the best
snow whale
Ok thank you man
tawny kestrel
a lot of people in here like to think theyre stuck at x rating due to their build or whatever
the truth is
as sub
potent pivot
but eu has better sub rogues
can we not do this
snow whale
One last question : how many stacks of DM is ok before sending sectec ?
tawny kestrel
its not ok to say why im saying what im saying?
potent pivot
like ye i'll agree some of the 'big' na rogues got weird takes
bold bison
One last question : how many stacks of DM is ok before sending sectec ?
you want a strike/evis/echoing usually before it
tawny kestrel
One last question : how many stacks of DM is ok before sending sectec ?
u just do the rotation
potent pivot
but let's not start the 'eu is better/has better'
tawny kestrel
ok mate
potent pivot
in 3v3 they are close
snow whale
Thanks a lot Raz
bold bison
if you play the First Dance you can get 1cp, dance+cds / kidney / strike / evis / echoing / CB sectec
snow whale
Thank Snorkle trying it right now !
tawny kestrel
One last question : how many stacks of DM is ok before sending sectec ?
2 different rotations, one with kidney and one with cheap shot
Cheap shot: dance > cheap > symbols > evis > echoing reprimand > cheap > turn to the side if u wanna be consistent so u dont go over 4 combo points to land on the anima charged combo point > secret technique
Kidney shot: Kidney > dance > symbols > evis > echoing reprimand > cold blood > secret technique > shadowstrike or cheap shot up to u really > evis
the more u play the more of an idea u will get when its good to do what rotation
kidney into gouge on healer is good in shuffle a lot of the time
tawny kestrel
in 3v3 they are close
i figure most ppl in here are on about solo shuffle, so thats what im basing it off
and i dont think NA has any die hard sub rogue players, eu has 2 at the very high level
so thats why im saying what i said
unborn portal
nahj used to be no?
potent pivot
yeah but i don't think you can really say who is a better player based purely upon shuffle
unborn portal
now in DF he is other specs
tawny kestrel
its not just based off shuffle but sure
tawny kestrel
yeah kalvish is the only one id trust atm, nahj is good but still plays rotten as sub
bold bison
2 different rotations, one with kidney and one with cheap shot
Cheap shot: danc...
thanks Raz, someone told me to get 1cp then dance > kidney for the big go and I've been doing that even though it feels awful
unborn portal
kalvish lokey goated with the sauce
unborn portal
tawny kestrel
thanks Raz, someone told me to get 1cp then dance > kidney for the big go and I'...
ah thats troll
if u wanna kidney then do it before dance
potent pivot
yeah kalvish is the only one id trust atm, nahj is good but still plays rotten a...
i mean they're both good builds, i'll agree i prefer brew too tbh but yeah
jolly sierra
top 10 anime fights
🇪🇺 vs 🇺🇸
unborn portal
as sub you can just open with 2 ss (idk if they play subterfuge atm) and build kidney
jolly sierra
react w ur votes
snow whale
2 different rotations, one with kidney and one with cheap shot
Cheap shot: danc...
Thank you guys, for taking thé time
jolly sierra
kek
unborn portal
Im no weeb
snow whale
I read thé guides but so much things to master
unborn portal
BUT
jolly sierra
BUT
jolly sierra
eksdee
bold bison
I read thé guides but so much things to master
the good news is the more you play sub and try to manage cross team CC and multiple DRs and CDs, the better you'll be at Assa when you switch
going back to Assa feels like playing in slow motion
jolly sierra
or when might guy opens all the gates
poor legs
bold bison
i only like Sub because it frustrates 4 x melee lobbies than press W on me only
tribal bay
i tried er build too but dont see the point in wasting 1 more gcd
I’m with you it feels bugged or some shit like it doesn’t actually hit a 7 cp
potent pivot
I’m with you it feels bugged or some shit like it doesn’t actually hit a 7 cp
how so?
tribal bay
main thing u should do is make sure u get ur big damage out as often as possible
With that logic
Is a gloomblade/150 energy/thistle tea build would be good then
Because you can reset your secret techs so fast
tribal bay
how so?
Whenever I hit evis with kyrian it was maxing out at like 30k
Then when I took normal 7 cp I was doing 90k evis crits and it became my biggest damage
Could literally pump so hard all of a sudden
bold bison
potent pivot
was anything else different about the builds? or maybe DM stacks were diff
tribal bay
was anything else different about the builds? or maybe DM stacks were diff
Could be more globals
bold bison
that's an animcharged evis
tribal bay
Because I took 150 energy and tea when I was testing
tribal bay
Nah I dropped kyrian and cold blood
potent pivot
there's a lot of different modifiers you gotta watch when testing things like that
tribal bay
You just drop tea and take cold blood for better burst
But I feel like kyrian is scuffed idk
potent pivot
especially if your rotation changes during dance
tribal bay
Yeah true
Just deffs felt the diff when I went full 7 cp’s was doing 70k - 80k burst just stuffing around the kyrian builds were a lot less
But I didn’t play in shadowlands
So I might just be bad at using it
jolly sierra
Yeah true
so, have u tested that build in rated?
to tell us how are u going? XD
genuiely curious
tribal bay
nah i was working last night and just hitting dummy im about to que now
jolly sierra
i'll pvp now in rated, but w pally and monk, which are more needed in gear
the panda can wait till i grow some balls to keep rating
dusky flower
holy i suck at pve lol mage tower is crushing me atm
jolly sierra
holy i suck at pve lol mage tower is crushing me atm
can tell u how i did it EZ
dusky flower
im all ears i neeeeed this mog
dusky flower
ill take a look into this for sure. its embarrassing how far im getting
jolly sierra
crusader gaves str yes, but heals you A LOT with a very good proc chance without internal gcd
dusky flower
ty, maybe this takes a few months of my grind of this thing
jolly sierra
fought like this
check the legos but ignore the cloak and the daggers
are from mop, unavailable currently
bracers are from legion hall, gloves crafted from LW, rings are from shadowlands, crafted too
the trinket is from nyxondra
potent pivot
crusader gaves str yes, but heals you A LOT with a very good proc chance without...
this isn't recommended anymore
jolly sierra
used is post nerf, are u sure?
potent pivot
there is really good guides for Mage Tower on Wowhead and even YouTube
potent pivot
used is post nerf, are u sure?
yes, the new Dragonflight MT tuning is different
jolly sierra
:/
dusky flower
im just real bad lol
dusky flower
outlaws is "easy" im just shit
potent pivot
i'm just not a huge outlaw chad
jolly sierra
for me back in the day the easiest was xylem one when i didn't had feint lego
potent pivot
xylem is probably the hardest one if you're not good at doing pve damage on sub
jolly sierra
crap the ilvl is fkn shit rn
dusky flower
how many legendaries can i wear in there?
potent pivot
none really
jolly sierra
nah is better prydaz tho
potent pivot
none of it has a big impact
potent pivot
using good talents and stuff is a much bigger deal
potent pivot
what
jolly sierra
crafted items has something called "relics of past" so u can adapt them for the ilvl u want
dusky flower
thanks for the tips but ill come back to this in a few months lol this is sad
been watching guides on it since it left. and the add just dont spawn to get cleaved its super cool
potent pivot
crafted items has something called "relics of past" so u can adapt them for the ...
i don't think that's how MT works
jolly sierra
i don't think that's how MT works
u can scale them to 163 then it goes decreased to 150
but u have the proper stats
adapted
potent pivot
yeah i mean using items with good stats is good ofc
jolly sierra
i did the MT back in the day, and when it returned too
the thing was having them at closest ilvl possible to scaling
jolly sierra
meh, that can be still scaled w chromie time
potent pivot
gem stats from the correct era helped
dusky flower
did you guys do the sub and assas ones?
jolly sierra
i did assa one
potent pivot
but your talent choices will be weird compared to anything you're used to
potent pivot
pve gear stats will likely be slightly better than pvp gear
but they're def completable in any gear
dusky flower
im only 372 pve LOL
dusky flower
i seen some one say crit mastery which seems odd to me
potent pivot
you use pve stat priorities in pve
jolly sierra
if u wanna some advice come here to ask again, im glad to answer
dusky flower
pve outlaw prio is crit vers though for m+?
potent pivot
pve outlaw prio is crit vers though for m+?
that's m+
jolly sierra
in assa i just did it w crit haste
potent pivot
you're not really doing m+ in MT
jolly sierra
when mastery is bis
potent pivot
either way i wouldn't worry so much about gear and stats
bold bison
there needs to be an option when you queue with a fistweaver to just accept a 3-3 before it starts and zone back out with your conquest
jolly sierra
imo crit haste are best unless haste is useless in a spec, like with monk
potent pivot
the big thing is doing the mechanics etc
dusky flower
yeah which is just rng lol
potent pivot
how is it rng
dusky flower
for the outlaw MT?
jolly sierra
the thicc demon is RNG
dusky flower
the add placement and movment.
jolly sierra
yeah
potent pivot
all of the MT are pretty scripted
jolly sierra
due to outlaw itself
potent pivot
you can control the positioning
dusky flower
of where they spawn?
potent pivot
no
dusky flower
lol then its rng
potent pivot
i would hardly count that as run-breaking rng
dusky flower
never said "run breaking" but all good lol
jolly sierra
the only RNG there are the dices from outlaw
if u have very bad luck then is F, cuz the leech proc was the king there
potent pivot
you can do it without it
but ye it's quite strong
at least it was in SL mt
any leech in solo content is big
jolly sierra
after feint lego turning off is bis tho
potent pivot
can't imagine doing the assa challenge without leeching poison tbf
potent pivot
gotta take marked for death
MFD->dispatch all of em
you can also take leeching poison as outlaw now
dusky flower
ive got the build im just bad lol
jolly sierra
we have a MM hunter in our team, guess the target
potent pivot
we have a MM hunter in our team, guess the target
dh or monk?
potent pivot
ive got the build im just bad lol
you'll get there, stuff like MT is trial and error
dusky flower
yeah so far my PR is 87% then she full healed LOL
i dont even care about " i did mage tower" i just want the damn mog
potent pivot
yeah
fleet verge
I did Xylem for MT, love me some Xylem.
I noticed he's a lot more finnicky on sub compared to Frost DK or Havoc though
potent pivot
how so
bold bison
I remember doing Xylem during Legion for sub appearances, it was pretty tough them with the big Symbols/DFA burst rotation
fleet verge
His razorice had really weird interactions with shadowstep compared to just double jumping or death striking out of them
like 30% of my deaths were just to shadowstepping and spawning right in the middle of the cluster and dying
jolly sierra
dh or monk?
im the monk
boreal basin
can a hunter turtle in stun?
jolly sierra
the hunt was the target
fleet verge
Shuffle queues as sin rogue are pain. 30 min queue times ;-;
potent pivot
like 30% of my deaths were just to shadowstepping and spawning right in the midd...
you can position before the ice spawns so that you can shadowstep xylem
fleet verge
yup, thats what I eventually did
potent pivot
or just mouseover step and outside piece of ice
because stepping xylem can be a little wonky as well
tawny kestrel
can a hunter turtle in stun?
no
fleet verge
I just remember you had to play very specifically as sub compared to havoc where you just faceroll the encounter
potent pivot
if he ports to the far side from you it'll be out of range (at least it was in SL without conduits working)
now sub has an actual talent giving step range so maybe it's diff
fleet verge
Kinda regret not going sub for solo shuffles, though I'm sure sin is probably overall easier.
jolly sierra
3-3, we got a good healer vs a shit one
fleet verge
the healer diff 3-3 is always painful.
fleet verge
I did 5 3-3s in a row last night and gained 2 rating, hurt my ego and soul.'
jolly sierra
im buying a conq cloak
fleet verge
Still figuring out rogue pvp, I feel like I'm missing some essential piece of the pie.
potent pivot
im the monk
what
tawny kestrel
surely people realize that mmr is what matters when it comes to gaining cr
fleet verge
DK and Havoc you just unga bunga kill target
jolly sierra
the 0-6 healer was a MW monk which never bring up us in bad moments
fleet verge
surely people realize that mmr is what matters when it comes to gaining cr
im aware it just hurts still
tawny kestrel
it is what it is
jolly sierra
what
i was playing as monk, with a MM hunt as partner
2 mong cleave in enemy team, guess the target
sorry context
potent pivot
i was playing as monk, with a MM hunt as partner
ye but the other team was dh/pal/monk no?
potent pivot
yeah i didn't get the context (i still don't) =)
jolly sierra
what happens w mmr if u won 3-3 but u still earn CR?
jolly sierra
i see, my MMR was higher than my CR
tawny kestrel
depends on the mmr of the other dps
jolly sierra
so it drops?
tawny kestrel
ye if ur mmr is higher than ur cr then u gain rating
it depends on the other dps mmr
typically if u arent at mmr cap then ur mmr just stays the same
tawny kestrel
bm hunter is so good atm
tawny kestrel
mhm
jolly sierra
yeah i didn't get the context (i still don't) =)
nvm, was just like
im a WW monk, my partner is a MM hunt, my enemies a DH and a ret
guess the kill target from them for us
bold bison
Thanks for the advice earlier Raz, I’ve literally gained 300 rating since simplifying the kidney go and doing some cheap shot goes
tawny kestrel
any time mate
think its a common issue as ive mentioned a few times
ppl think they have to do a lot more than they need to
so they just end up doing less
by trying to do more
jolly sierra
at least R1 here are helpful instead being cocky and sending them to search to google kek
ah raz sorry for ask u again but
do u feel any moment where u need to use battlemaster trinket the most?
bought a conq one and just use it against warriors
tawny kestrel
i dont even have a bm on either of my rogues
jolly sierra
uh
tawny kestrel
ive thought about buying one but always forget
its fine sometimes but its rare tbh
jolly sierra
kk, ty
fleet verge
I'm wondering if a big issue for my sin plays is I'm not utilizing my kidneys/blinds on healers enough for windows
I tried to focus entirely on that last match and it seemed to go pretty well rather than just trying to mongo damage
jolly sierra
can u share a clip? XD
fleet verge
I really need to start shadowplay clipping tbh
fleet verge
damn you bought that PC in mists of pandaria 😔
fleet verge
braver than the troops though doing pvp on a 2013 laptop
jolly sierra
dunno how tf i was able to reach 2k1 in this shit tbh
fleet verge
alright, got 3 wins so I'm 1620 now. gonna call it there for tonight 😎
potent pivot
jolly sierra
nice, hope you win more tomorrow
tribal bay
shadowy duel is actually disgusting
woven jolt
Yep
Extremely versátile
It's one of the main reasons behind Sub being so scary
Or annoying, if you're using it for peeling
dusky flower
Lol 5 hours of mage tower and I might be close to being a boomer that can't rogue.
dusky flower
Notricks and I were talking about it earlier. I'm trying outlaw
And it's going awful
I give 0 shots about pve I just want the mog lol
woven jolt
Outlaw benefits the most from cheesy items since It's 100% pad dmg
Also Outlaw's pve rotation is basically what you do on PvP regardless, so the swtich isn't that hard
dusky flower
Yeah, I get all this I just can't do it lol
woven jolt
I used the Emerald Nightmare Pod trinkets and Crusader Enchants
Did all 3 rogue specs under a Day
dusky flower
I started playing wow in SL lol
woven jolt
is the mog good
It's a Silver and Black recolors of the Legion Tomb of Sargeras Tier
tribal bay
when you first start to pve you get clapped by random shit
woven jolt
Yeah I wasn't considering that
Re-wiring brain
woven jolt
Mage Tower sales back your ilvl to "Legion* levels of power
However, since ALL old content got scaled down, weird shit from old is Stupidly busted
woven jolt
I haven't made it past 70% LOL
Oh fuck is that bad huh
dusky flower
5 hours.
I'm aoe cleaving. I have trinkets. I understand the prios. I'm just dogwater
potent pivot
I'm about to just pay a homie to do it lol
careful man 
dusky flower
What? Can't make my homie a meal while he checks out my toons?
potent pivot
lool
woven jolt
and black powder everything
Sub's Mage Tower is pure ST tho
potent pivot
Sub's Mage Tower is pure ST tho
not quite
tribal bay
just use terros build
tribal bay
raz build
woven jolt
But they insta Die to Sec Tech
tribal bay
and whetstone
potent pivot
tornado helps
dusky flower
How long have you guys been playing wow for?
potent pivot
just use terros build
there's a build on wowhead
potent pivot
specifically for MT
woven jolt
How long have you guys been playing wow for?
Since 6 yrs old xD
Beginning of Cata
tribal bay
How long have you guys been playing wow for?
since i was 8 but i only stopped sucking at it in shadowlands and i didnt play SL for long
dusky flower
Rip me. I'll get this set in 2030 then KEKW
tribal bay
why do i need 45 yard step
potent pivot
multiple reasons
1 shadowstepping xylem when you get surrounded by razor ice in p1
2 shadowstepping his mirror images/his true self in intermission
makes the entire thing easier
woven jolt
It's honestly a MUST
Not because of the yrds but more so the CDR
dusky flower
Which is the best to grind? Mt spec wise
potent pivot
It's honestly a MUST
Not because of the yrds but more so the CDR
it's both tbh
potent pivot
Which is the best to grind? Mt spec wise
if you don't see yourself making the outlaw one, probably sub
assa's is very mechanic heavy but 0 rng
sub's has some slight rng, but it's mostly skill based
woven jolt
Assa is linear af
But It's hard
dusky flower
I mean I can't make it to phase 2 or half way to phase 2
tribal bay
sub has an easy single target rotation
potent pivot
outlaw's just seems that way because she heals
tribal bay
so if u can do damage as sub ur halfway there ig
potent pivot
the more you get it down the less she gets healed
dusky flower
I'm about to go find a roblox server at this point lol
woven jolt
Sub is probably the easiest since It's not mechanically intensive
It's a pure dmg check
It depends on how you want to classify "easy* tho
potent pivot
a lot of people struggle with the kiting in p2 on sub's
woven jolt
I found Assa to be the easiest
woven jolt
a lot of people struggle with the kiting in p2 on sub's
People don't know how to tank 