LOL such bad memories
#pvp
proper heath
plucky sage
hahahahahhaa indeed
waxen meteor
I remember in TBC/WLK you can pick the talent so it's close to 100%?
jolly sierra
god wizard lobbies w monk and ret are fkn shit
however w rog
literal is a damp match, boring af
and if u go there u are dead
gleaming pawn
that's just wizards in general
jolly sierra
that match w my ret was
destro/ele/demo
2-4 finished
meh my ret is irrelevant till rework
time for the funny shit as assa
gleaming pawn
if by funny shit, you mean melee pain-train lobbies that just sit you every round đ
jolly sierra
you can just dot up and wait for dampening
cuz this guys are coward enough to stay in pillar
warm lance
You can really fuck em up bad tho
warm lance
Melee blenders on assa suck sure, but you can really hurt them bad if they get greedy
jolly sierra
the 2 latest wizard matches i've played w my alts were literal sitting on pillars and let dampening fuck everything
potent pivot
jolly sierra
now my head hurts by tiredness so im done w panda
was against ele/BM hunt/warr
so don't think was easy lol
ornate canopy
how much vers and mastery are u guys aiming for as % in pvp as assa
potent pivot
don't really aim for a % besides 30%+ vers
everything else just falls into place if you follow the gear set in #pvp-faq
ornate canopy
heres wghat i dont understand
me and whazz for example have the same gear ilvls etc
he has 26% = 5,1k vers
i have 29% = 5.1k vers
how does this make any sense
and hesfull versa mastery gems and im mastery vers gems
so confused
jolly sierra
Trickz vs NoTrickz
who wins
ornate canopy
makes me wonder if i should regem versa matery instead
jolly sierra
are u using mastery/vers gems or vers/mastery gems?
ornate canopy
mastery vers
hes using versa mastery
we have the same ilvl inside and outside pvp
proper heath
ur stats logged in are different than what ur seeing on websites
ornate canopy
we have the same number of versa
proper heath
dont forget that.
ornate canopy
but diff %
proper heath
Your vers talents dont show up on websites
ornate canopy
even rings im mastery
jolly sierra
its fine
potent pivot
yeah i think you're good homie
jolly sierra
its good
ornate canopy
waiting on making the ring soon
proper heath
Dont worry about your stats my dude
jolly sierra
that is not low
ornate canopy
yea im just confused cz i didnt knw talents dont save on the site
proper heath
Yep.
Dont look at websites for stats. Just look at trends.
You getting the same % of verse as whaaz, isn't going to get you his rating.
Dont worry too much about that stuff.
Just send it. and practice .
Not to mention sometimes murlok isn't updated. And talents and stats look wonky. Then ur really in for misinformation
graceful ravine
without ER still?
Lining up all your cds is hard enough, adding ER to the mix would be another cd I have to âwaitâ for before my duel kill
severe hazel
guys if i want to socket the pvp neck i need to but r1 r2 and r3 of the thingy and use them in the correct order? is that correct?
jolly sierra
r2 r2 r3 works well
proper heath
guys if i want to socket the pvp neck i need to but r1 r2 and r3 of the thingy a...
thats sexist. What about the girls? WHy you only talking to the guys?
jolly sierra
u welcome
proper heath
<@201883219396657153> im sorry friend!
I'm just pulling your leg. There are no women here.
potent pivot
i was about to say he's just trolling
potent pivot
I'm just pulling your leg. There are no women here.
don't be so sure 
proper heath
I did meet my first female rogue the other day. True.
jaunty mirage
Lining up all your cds is hard enough, adding ER to the mix would be another cd ...
Oh yeah for sure
We run almost the same build tbh
I just take rotten instead of flagg
But flagg prob better if youâre trying to 100-0 someone in a duel
jolly sierra
we had a woman here a couple of weeks ago
wanted someone to teach her instead reading guides
lol
tender ferry
Why would anyone ever go with the Rotten build? Damage feels so much lower
Is it just to purely focus in on maybe instagibbing someone?
jaunty mirage
cdr is usually the reason
Yeah thatâs most of it
I tried flagg for one game though instead of rotten and it seemed more dangerous at least on the goes
I suck at killing people in a duel though lmao
lucid citrus
thats tough haha
jolly sierra
XD
waxen meteor
So long the queue..
okay, there must be a GM in this chat
everytime i complain about queue, i enter
waxen meteor
what is that form
graceful ravine
+300 more rating duh
waxen meteor
same as main.. so drop form?
copper gazelle
in mage rogue 2s. is shaman just a hard counter? or is there a strat for facing ele/enh + healer?
my friend and I have jsut started out, not really pvpers.. playing assa and frost mage. And we shit on a lot of teams, but anything shaman is auto lose
woven jolt
Shaman is a skill check towards your mage, since you're a hard counter to THEM
Main thing is that they need their healer on them 100% of the time, they are a glass cannons
copper gazelle
whats the mage do?
jaunty mirage
there should be a catch up for catalyst tier
Def sucks bringing up a new char right now since youâre in blues AND have zero tier
Gear wise I mean
jolly sierra
prey
austere egret
is outlaw viable for 3s?
graceful ravine
sure if you hate your life
austere egret
đ
tepid willow
become a blade flurry monster
woven jolt
Outlaw is viable yes, but don't expect doing fancy stuff
you're there to bring dps to the table and nothing else really
jolly sierra
if you play as outlaw in a 3s and u face and assa dont complain if he does more dmg than u
woven jolt
lots of "kicks"
woven jolt
Does he really? Outlaw is easily the biggest padder on 3s, but their dmg is fake
jolly sierra
hoping than the nerfs in that time arrived soon for me lol
blade flurry goes brrrrrrrrr
woven jolt
They also can't die
Outlaw is fairly fun
It's a refreshing side to rogue gameplay really
God RBG's are something else in these hours xD
dusky flower
so ive got a nelf and dark iron which would you guys pick for sub and assa? assa nelf? sub DI?
woven jolt
We played against this double Brew team like 4 times in the span of 7 games
woven jolt
so ive got a nelf and dark iron which would you guys pick for sub and assa? ass...
Swap it
woven jolt
We played against this double Brew team like 4 times in the span of 7 games
And god Fire breath CC is annoying as hell xD
Sub rogue needs every single stealth they can get, and Dark Iron could use being able to re-stealth normally without care for bleeds
dusky flower
Sub rogue needs every single stealth they can get, and Dark Iron could use being...
i like it ty
jolly sierra
woven jolt
It's decent, but unnerfed prey is kinda toxic in Outlaw and Sub
so they have kept it nerfed since the end of times
tribal bay
true i kinda think gouge is too good to not take
not having it feels weird i keep trying to press it
il just drop 5% dam
woven jolt
Gouge is better the higher you go Yeah
Rogue does not struggle that Hard with securing kills
proper heath
Gouge is bis once you get used to it
You gonna randomly win whole games with it . One of the reasons assa is so insane atm
dusky flower
i cant seem to get into enjoying assas not sure wh y
dusky flower
i miss the launch secret tech that was wrecking havoc in wpvp
dusky flower
i took advantage of all that dmg 100% lol god it was fun
tribal bay
i cant seem to get into enjoying assas not sure wh y
i felt like that at first too
but assass is actually pretty fun when you play it more
tribal bay
You gonna randomly win whole games with it . One of the reasons assa is so insan...
yeah honestly gouge is really really good deffs need it as assa imo
going from sub who has so many cheap shots available i felt naked without anything as assa lol
dusky flower
maybe ill give it a try when my last alt rogue hits 70
proper heath
i cant seem to get into enjoying assas not sure wh y
Dont know whats not to love about assa
Dot them.. literally afk eating chips while they die
dusky flower
truuuue
i just gotta learn it a bit more i guess.
wish my server had power levelrs
tribal bay
i just gotta learn it a bit more i guess.
yea it takes some adjusting at first like its really easy to die if you arent trading CDs properly
is everyone using badge??
i keep forgetting to press it outside of deathmark
maybe passive trinkets better for me?
dusky flower
id just try to remeber badge
for stuff that i forget ive made a small TMW for when its off CD in a easy spot to see to remind me
tribal bay
yeah true its just on a weird bind
proper stream
whats our sub rogue opener look like atm? playing sectec ER
minor cape
whats our sub rogue opener look like atm? playing sectec ER
you play dance combo points?
proper stream
not atm
minor cape
and do you play rotten
proper stream
nah im playing danse db
i will play rotten soon. Getting my groove back as havnet pvped in a few seasons
minor cape
with rotten it's dance kidney shadowstrike eviscerate er cb st
or for quicker opener it's dance kidney er cb st
if no kidney then you just have to cheap first
and squeeze in another cheap
with dark brew you can pretty much do the same if you will take those 4 cp from dance
you also pop your buffs of course
your on use trinket
your blades
if rotten symbols from the start for that thicc crit
proper stream
sweet appreciate it
minor cape
you can also try to stack as much danse macabre as you can before you er st
but its kinda slow and you might get stunned
also make sure you do er - cb - st when you have 0 combo points
because otherwise you might land on a non blue point and secret tech for 20k
đ„č
proper stream
yea the main thing i was wondering was if its like
cheap ER evis cheap strike / hope for blue cb sectec
or er into sec tec
tribal bay
cheap ER evis cheap strike / hope for blue cb sectec
this is written by shadenox
has a few different openers
its good
tribal bay
good to see this guide got updated and now they dont tell you incorrect info
i noticed 1 thing might be wrong and im not sure if its me or the guide
minor cape
which one
plucky sage
What's the difference in usage between the Rotten and Dark Brew build? On paper the Rotten seems so much better, with vanish CDR and bonus combo points after symbols..
Is the Rotten more for big burst and dark brew for sustained damage?
tribal bay
tribal bay
which one
this takes you out of stealth and doesnt proc subturfuge
so you cant use cheap shot
plucky sage
Shadowblades doesn't break stealth
tribal bay
yes it does
plucky sage
It doesn't
tribal bay
try it right now
minor cape
tribal bay
oh wait
minor cape
you try it!!!
plucky sage
Aha there it is
tribal bay
pressingf all my shit
minor cape
kekekeke
plucky sage
Macro shenanigans
plucky sage
Show us your macro
tribal bay
its called swifty
tribal bay
#showtooltip shadow blades
/cast symbols of death
/cast shadow blades
/use 13
trinket
i think
plucky sage
Even if you have blades, symbols, trinket, dance, it won't break
minor cape
trinket then
plucky sage
I guess dance yeah but then you're back in "stealth"
tribal bay
its breaking stealth and thats all it is
plucky sage
But yeah pointless to have it in anyway
tribal bay
no dance
minor cape
im pretty sure dance and trinket will brrak stealth
plucky sage
Ya
tribal bay
yeah i think its trinket
plucky sage
It's trinket
tribal bay
trinket is already in dance anyway i think thats my pve macro
minor cape
i have a macro that uses blades trinket dance symbols
tribal bay
because my whetstone is 2 mins
minor cape
ama?
tribal bay
i have a macro that uses blades trinket dance symbols
i thought about this for pvp but im used to manually pressing most stuff in pve so it would probs confuse me more
plucky sage
Well I asked Nahj about those macros and he said bad idea
As did Makiavelli on this disc
minor cape
it works for rotten build
plucky sage
Their reasoning was decent enough
plucky sage
I see
tribal bay
yea if i macro something i have it on a prime bind too
its just for opening
outside the opener you manually press stuff
minor cape
its like when i want to do a big go i press this macro and kidney and kill the dude
tribal bay
what shares a DR with blind?
bro why the fuck are resto druids allowed to press cyclone and ruin my game
are they actually brain dead
bold bison
why is than when I queue into sub Rogue, no-one touches them, but when I queue as Sub Rogue I get 4 x melee zug zug lobbies who never tab off me
let me reset my SecTec CD reeeeee
spark egret
how much haste we having again
fierce crystal
As much matery as poss
If u cant get mastery take the ring for haste
No more that that is needed
fierce crystal
what shares a DR with blind?
Cyclone, db, fears
plucky sage
Well no.. blind and sap are not on the same DR
potent pivot
how much haste we having again
On assa?
potent pivot
Think it usually comes out to like 4-8%
Depends on what youâre using
Incaps are a different DR
fierce crystal
Mby it so, kek
fierce crystal
I remove then
potent pivot
No worries
spark egret
double
havoc
arms
and an evoker
@potent pivotyo what other addons should i use
potent pivot
What are you using rn?
potent pivot
Thatâs it?
potent pivot
Lol
potent pivot
I prefer regular gladius, but Ex is fine if you like it
potent pivot
you mean omnicc
OmniCD Omnibar etc
potent pivot
OmniBar yes
spark egret
what is omnibar for
tawny kestrel
potent pivot
If you know enemy Stormbolt comes off CD in 5 seconds and you know you yourself are not on their stun DR then you have a much better chance to pre the stun
Pre feint, pre evasion, etc
plucky sage
For someone who is bad at PvP and new to rogue, what fundamental thing should I try to improve first? Cross CC things, avoiding damage, or doing damage?
potent pivot
@spark egret bigDebuffs and FlyPlateBuffs are also big tech
plucky sage
Also, is rotten build burst and dark brew build for sustain damage? Which do you pick depending on matcups?
spark egret
too many fucking addojns
potent pivot
For someone who is bad at PvP and new to rogue, what fundamental thing should I ...
You can try to focus on one thing at a time to get used to them
potent pivot
just get addons so the game plays iteself
You use elvui weak auras and dbm too Iâm sure for pve
spark egret
"oh boy im new to pvp cant wait to play!"
"btw timmy you need these 6000 addons before you can begin to play"
"no thanks ill go download league"
plucky sage
just get addons so the game plays iteself
It doesn't.. imagine trying to track in your head 3 different people's offensive and defensive CDs. You think you can? Then by all means don't get omnibar..
spark egret
doesnt gladius already do that
plucky sage
But if even a guy like pikaboo going 6-0 at 3k mmr, is using omnibar, then yeah I think it's valid to use it
spark egret
You use elvui weak auras and dbm too Iâm sure for pve
well I mean elvui is literally just preference
you don't have to use it
its just an all in one package
rather than needing, raid/party frames, bar addon, bag addon, name plates ect.
plucky sage
"oh boy im new to pvp cant wait to play!"
"btw timmy you need these 6000 addons...
You don't need them. Maybe after you plateau. For example being a total noob, I'm not using Omnibar yet because I need to get better a fundamental stuff before I'll be able to look at omnibar and know what to do with that information
potent pivot
I wouldnât recommend Elv for pvp either
I know some people prefer it but itâs target and focus frames are trash
spark egret
as opposed to what
potent pivot
Base ui
potent pivot
It does not
spark egret
base ui doesnt show anything
potent pivot
Bro
spark egret
on focus frame
plucky sage
Mate ask yourself why literally not a single PvPer uses ElvUI
potent pivot
I had this discussion with someone else the other day
spark egret
and you can set it up yourself
plucky sage
Is it because focus frame "doesn't show anything"?
potent pivot
Go to whaazz stream
spark egret
spark egret
I was just wondering what addons you use and what those were for
potent pivot
Ye
spark egret
I've been using elvui forever it's 100000x more customizable than baseui
potent pivot
I said all the main useful ones iirc
plucky sage
Also, is rotten build burst and dark brew build for sustain damage? Which do you...
Can you answer this Q please NoTrickz, not sure when to use which?
spark egret
addons and macros should be banned from pvp
potent pivot
I donât switch those builds out based on match ups
plucky sage
I should get is the nameplate cooldowns or whatever it is
Well ElvUI can do that too, you have to configure which debuffs and buffs you want to highlight larger. Since ElvUI does it all why not just configure it that way?
potent pivot
They are both burst builds tbh
plucky sage
Oh, I see
spark egret
Well ElvUI can do that too, you have to configure which debuffs and buffs you wa...
because then it's annoying for pve
I don't have anything on my target frames
plucky sage
I feel like rotten does more burst because of the CP you get from symbols. Can insta sectec
spark egret
I turn it off cause its annoying
plucky sage
I don't have anything on my target frames
I'm talking about the nameplates
Which afaik you can setup buff and debuff filters for and choose which ones are highlighted, hidden, or secondary (not highlighted)
Which is what flyplatebuffs does
potent pivot
Not sure tbh. If not there needs to be because that shit is nice
plucky sage
my hot take
It's a shit take. Imagine not having focus and arena targeting macros. Cool, have to become a clicker noob clicking arena frames to set up cc in a microsecond.
potent pivot
Which afaik you can setup buff and debuff filters for and choose which ones are ...
The big thing I like about base frames is you can have buffs/debuffs show over someoneâs character portrait as well
plucky sage
Yeah, Bigdebuffs right? I love that addon
potent pivot
Like the important ones will show nice and big over their portrait
Iirc yeah
What some people donât get is
In pvp having a little information redundancy is a good thing
spark egret
It's a shit take. Imagine not having focus and arena targeting macros. Cool, hav...
press button have the game play for you
potent pivot
Like if someoneâs defensive presses show in 2 places instead of 1, thatâs fine
Makes it easier to see peripherally
plucky sage
I mean I get it, people like ElvUI but personally, the aesthetic is awful and the config is Jack of all trades, master of none. Individual add-ons are so much more powerful for their specific use cases.
potent pivot
press button have the game play for you
If everyone else is using it what can you do man
You kinda gimp yourself not tracking things correctly
wintry dew
Yes
potent pivot
Lol
spark egret
If everyone else is using it what can you do man
yeah I mean
thats why I said it should be removed
plucky sage
press button have the game play for you
That is disingenuous nonsense. So you shouldn't bind CDs and rotations by that logic, because you press buttons and things happen. You should have to type out a command for each spell, that's real skill
/s
potent pivot
Theyâll never do that at this point
I agree to an extent
BUT
The game itself should have these things
spark egret
YEAH
potent pivot
The game UI should show enough information for you to react
This isnât league of legends
Where people have like 6 abilities
tribal bay
arms cant touch me bro
how
tribal bay
arms warriors just want my kok
i lost a lobby before because i think i wasted heaps of CC just trying to get him off me
spark egret
I think it was trickz told me just like
tribal bay
instead of trying to kill him
spark egret
proper heath
THEY RUN!
tribal bay
im death marking in the open is that a mistake
tribal bay
ive 1 shot a few ppl
in smokebomb
with healer cc'd
but not always then ive got like no dam
tribal bay
mfd kidneyt garrote shive rupture tea exsang deathmark kyrian spam envenom
plucky sage
cant wait to just be done with this
Done with what? Why don't you just go play league and call it a day?
spark egret
getting the vicious saddle
then im done with pvp till next season
unless the elite set sucks
proper heath
im death marking in the open is that a mistake
I'm kidding dude .
I'm obviously joking.
but I prefer an offensive plan
than a defensive one
tribal bay
I'm kidding dude .
ya i know but i sensed the sarcasm thats why i asked
because im literally death marking in my opener
tribal bay
Nah I just try and kill someone straight away
But I know what I need to do now
Set up better then do that
Sometimes Iâd even death mark before exsang and it literally melt someone so hard if the healers not expecting but it only worked a few times and I wasted my death mark too many times so stopped doing that đđ
tacit crane
Its better to use deathmark at high dampening levels though
Because it puts so much pressure
There are some matchups where deathmark is straight up useless though
Like against prevoker
spark egret
ngl this purple set
looks good too
I kinda wanna get the stone so it can have the lightning too
bold bison
can anyone recommend some high level sub Solo Shuff gameplay videos or streams? I feel like the secret techniques are a little too secret
I have the same problems as assa as soon as I reached the 1800-2100 elo meat grinder - melee lobbies that go me and healers who overlap CDs
spark egret
that's just how it is as assa
bold bison
ye I have that problem as sub too
but if we lose a lobby I'm going to see what I can do to improve instead of blaming teammates
spark egret
with sub like
you shouldn't die as easily
so they won't go you if you show you are not dying
bold bison
I definitely live longer with the 2nd vanish and shield
spark egret
assa they will go you one cause you're squishy
bold bison
but they absolutely do still go me lol
bold bison
most of my sub games are 2min+ while Assa games tend to go 1min or so
but they're long against melee because I'm pillaring and hiding in stealth a lot, rather than getting uptime to reset CDs faster =/
would be good to watch someone playing Sub in solo so I can kinda understand the playstyle better
I would say I play well in 20% of games now, sapping blinds, getting successful duel kills etc
the rest of the time I do nothing, contribute nothing, occasionally CS stuff and die
minor cape
if your games as fast as fuck
on sub
go rotten build tbh
instead of dark brew
you can do more goes this way
as opposed to doing rupture stuff and waiting
đ€
you should really not die that much as sub
especially w rotten build i think
bold bison
I guess I don't die THAT often, but there's definitely a timer on me if the melee decide I'm the guy
minor cape
which melee is it
bold bison
warriors and DHs usually, it's solo shuffle lol
I started yesterday and played up to about 1900 before I ragequit a game and lost rating, but my winloss is like 50/50 now
tribal bay
I would say I play well in 20% of games now, sapping blinds, getting successful ...
Raz
Watch his vods
bold bison
perfect will do
I just played the most frustrating round
2-4, every loss happened within 1 min after I got a trinket and set up a duel go, my other DPS just flopped
I never know what to commit for peels
either I disarm and gouge and it's not enough, or I send a dance and can't do a go on next kidney DR
spark egret
christ blades edge is the worst
unborn portal
christ blades edge is the worst
simply jump off and step behind someone when they walk off
minor cape
simply jump off and step behind someone when they walk off
this man is speaking facts
unborn portal
give em the ol razzle dazzle.
sharp sierra
Can you send gold to a different char on a different server?
unborn portal
unborn portal
happens
last night went 1- 5 because no one died
then i usually die I feel like
following round 3 melee dps and 1 shadow priest and we go 5-1
potent pivot
Can you send gold to a different char on a different server?
Nop
sharp sierra
Nop
Ass đ©
Just hit 40 on the priest and need like 4k for flying đ lol was hoping i could send it from my rogue.
spark egret
happens
literally had a warlock at 1% hp
and our mage didnt use any cc on the healer while I had no blind
literally their healer ran across maldaraxxus
and heals without either of my partners doing anything
i have cancer now
craggy furnace
Boomer question: Does anyone have a weakaura for the shiv debuff? I tried to use the one on wowhead and it says the shiv version is to old or something.
bold bison
I genuinely found assa easier at 2200+ than in the 1500-2100 bracket
apparently disc priests need to be duellist not to dome on top of you when you've already pressed cloak and evasion
wicked rampart
Can confirm not fun lol
spark egret
yeah most of the wow community is stupid
what can we say
you would think rogues can perma self heal, never die, do 100k dps at all times
CC everything
all CC cdoesnt break
wicked rampart
Anybody have thoughts on strats for sin/disc into surv/rdru in 2's? Kept running into a team last night around 2k-2.1k mmr and it just felt brutal every game
spark egret
the literal brain damage, brains leaking out of their nose takes I've seen
on the state of rogues
in the last 2 months
delete the community council we don't deserve an opinion
yep
yeah bro like
I challenge any of these mfs to play into like arms/Uh; arms/ww as assa
then come back to me and tell me assa is OP
like assa damage is big
but you are fighting for your life every round
but sure lets give ret 100 yard range on everything
jaunty mirage
Are they saying that about shuffle though?
spark egret
and let them 1 shot you from narnia
jaunty mirage
In regular 3s I could see it but assa is kinda squishy in shuffle
spark egret
it's based on 3s
jaunty mirage
4set assa is definitely kinda free in 3s
Shuffle idk though
Thereâs much easier classes to get shuffle rating
Ahh yeah then they are idiots
Well
Maybe not idiots, people just hate rogues
bold bison
I kept failing my duellist game on my Assa Rogue so I swapped to DK and got 2300 in a couple of days
don't see a lot of DKs in AWC...
jaunty mirage
Uhdk in shuffle is a vibe
Rarely ever get targeted and you can just pve damage every game
bold bison
feels nuts to sit a stun vs. melee cleaves and live
I swear you feel invincible
ironically, until an assa rogue touches you, then you die
jaunty mirage
Yeah
Dk has always been rough into assa
Assa/fury/dh has always been hard for dk
spark egret
bro
this fucking day
IS DEMONIC
BLADES EDGE
EVERY GAME
actually
so aids please god
remove this shit
tawny kestrel
you guys need to stop blaming your class so much, you canât keep coping. at some point you just need to realize you have to get better
sadly rogue is one of the classes where youâre rewarded more for being better. if you arenât that good then youâll get punished more
it is what it is really
spark egret
assa is not great in solo
spark egret
im getting trolled
I swear to god
im fisting my monitor
if I get this stupid map
anymore
jaunty mirage
Hahaha
tawny kestrel
itâs a pointless discussion if you continue to be delusional
but assa is good in every single bracket
itâs simply a learn to play issue
jaunty mirage
Are you talking to me or the other guy hahaha
spark egret
just learn to play when double melee hamfist you
for 5 mins
yep
just learn to play
tawny kestrel
the delusional part was to hataro
melee lobbies are rough yeah, but you donât get those so often that youâre stuck at x rating because of it
spark egret
raz double melee is every game lmao
tawny kestrel
no
jaunty mirage
just learn to play when double melee hamfist you
Now imagine being a caster into that lobby hahaha
At least assa still does full damage while being trained
bold bison
itâs simply a learn to play issue
the difficult part for me is that how to play better, like trade defensives, when to choose dmg vs. when to throw an extra gouge or kidney onto healer is kinda... gatekept
most of my PvP knowledge works on an 'if X then Y' basis - I'm in a spear and the healer is CCed, instant evasion for example
but there are a lot scenarios I don't have an answer for
tawny kestrel
yeah it can be hard to learn stuff for sure, but that is all it comes down to
bold bison
guides tend to focus on stats, talents and damage, rather than strategy and playstyle
jaunty mirage
Every spec needs a bicmex
bold bison
I'm actually trying to teach myself Sub by watching your VODs Raz, a lot of it moves so quickly I can't imagine I'll ever have the awareness to plan 6 globals ahead and track multiple DRs in my head
spark egret
but there are a lot scenarios I don't have an answer for
yeah
arms holds w
and you cant play the gam,e
but you can kite
bold bison
I try to handle arms at lower MMR by forcing them behind pillars to get their healer stuck in the open
most of the time they press W right out of LoS
jaunty mirage
Fair
spark egret
I'm only playing this shit for a mount and costmetics
fierce laurel
Why the fuck does ignore pain not have a cooldown.
Itâs so much better than feight
minor cape
melee lobbies are rough yeah, but you donât get those so often that youâre stuck...
i mean yeah
also i dont think double melee is impossible for rogue
đ€
like its possible especially if ur sub
you can disarm kidney gouge whatever
minor cape
yeah true
spark egret
I don't even think anyone here is saying they're stuck at a certain bracket because of certain matchups
we were talking about the clowns on reddit and forums bitching about how OP assa is
minor cape
fax i think assa is allright
jaunty mirage
Tbf 4set assa is OP
spark egret
they're worse than league pros
just whine and whine and whine
never try and solve the meta
jaunty mirage
Even after the nerf
spark egret
always just whine to blizz this is op thats op
minor cape
i think assa is okay rn
jaunty mirage
I mean thatâs just wow pvp since the beginning haha
spark egret
fucking dickheads like venruki and cdew
minor cape
like
spark egret
leading the charge
minor cape
thats how most games are
jaunty mirage
Now the next best spec is the OP one
minor cape
dude da hell
minor cape
i played a shit ton of dota
spark egret
wow players are literal babies
minor cape
it was literally it
spark egret
it was literally it
razor recently, was op. People solved it. It's not op anymore lol
jolly sierra
is rlly assa tier set THAT nerfed?
minor cape
i dont know man
jolly sierra
i feel 4set as the same
minor cape
i havent played dota since 2017
jolly sierra
compared to reset
minor cape
or 2016
jaunty mirage
is rlly assa tier set THAT nerfed?
I mean no, thatâs the issue haha
jaunty mirage
Issue with assa 4set is itâs just free passive damage
jolly sierra
I mean no, thatâs the issue haha
niiiiiiice
spark egret
like havoc
minor cape
i just remember those pacthes where a hero would be broken af
jaunty mirage
So even with a 50% nerf itâs still incredibly good
spark egret
same with shadow
minor cape
then patch came
spark egret
havoc literally was broken
minor cape
and another hero was broken af
thats how games are
where there are classes/heroes
whateve
spark egret
top healing, top damage, insane cc
jolly sierra
the thing which rlly deserves to be nerfed RN are ele and BM hunts
specially ele
fuck eles
minor cape
remember aghanims mirana that had quadripple starfall and would take out creep waves in a second đ€
jaunty mirage
Bm is probably fine tbh
minor cape
and heroes also
jaunty mirage
Bm bejng good effects rogues more than other classes
jolly sierra
dunno how i did 3-3 against BM and ele yesterday
minor cape
rogue is going to get gutted in 10.1
yup just the assas tho probably
jaunty mirage
I donât know if bm is S tier, imo itâs just very solid all around
jaunty mirage
Why would rogues get gutted in 10.1
spark egret
therefore they are going to get gutted
minor cape
yes the enchancement rogue
jaunty mirage
Rogue has never been gutted at any point in this game haha
minor cape
isnt rogue like good in every patch
jaunty mirage
Absolutely zero danger of rogues suddenly being bad
spark egret
no
jolly sierra
from skillcapped
spark egret
maybe in pvp
jolly sierra
(AKA. guys which does their research)
minor cape
from skillcapped
this is not fax
ornate canopy
any1 has a weak aura for when PS sac etc is used on me
jaunty mirage
Because it doesnât kill anyone
jolly sierra
cuz is behind demo and destro's shadow
minor cape
true
jaunty mirage
And has lots of ramp up time
jolly sierra
is like outlaw
jaunty mirage
Which isnât great for shuffle
minor cape
i think demo is kinda eh
jaunty mirage
Demo is very setup based and has very few bad lobbies
Doesnât get targeted a lot as well
jaunty mirage
Probably the tankiest lock spec
But also most of their damage is from pets and instant stuff
So you get less value training them
minor cape
i see
jaunty mirage
Like even in a melee lobby
jaunty mirage
If there is a rogue the rogue will get trained over the demo
jolly sierra
think someone in icy veins guide said demo was a very bad spec in melee lobbies
jaunty mirage
Hahaha
minor cape
well its the casters vs melee cleave thing except demo still does damage
jaunty mirage
Thatâs why you never go to icy veins for pvp stuff
minor cape
icy veins sometimes has outdated info
jolly sierra
that guy does almost all the guides
jaunty mirage
Demo is possibly the best caster in the game into a melee lobby
minor cape
like dudes say in sub guide that you can open w marked for death kidney
noone runs marked for death
jaunty mirage
Yeah
minor cape
đ„č
jolly sierra
kek
jaunty mirage
Demo is super solid itâs just kind of boring
Very âdo nothing and winâ spec
Your pets are doing damage and you just kind of keep cursed up and fear stuff
Curses
jolly sierra
that is the reason ppl hates demos that much
cuz literal they scratch their asshole while they spam pets
jaunty mirage
Itâs like the lock version of bm hunter just with a slightly higher level of difficulty
jolly sierra
i still recalled when in wod i tried to go demo for pve
minor cape
its literally playing a lag machine
jolly sierra
i was fkn shit so i rerolled to ww monk
jaunty mirage
Itâs a very specific playstyle
Definitely not going to be for everyone
I donât mind it but Iâd rather just play destro
jolly sierra
dunno why, im not good w casters, had to admit
jaunty mirage
Yeah thatâs pretty common tbh
minor cape
if i played lock i would definitely play destro
jaunty mirage
Lot of people are much better at one over the other
jolly sierra
the thing is admit ur strengths and flaws
minor cape
i did however play caster in one game but only in pve
jolly sierra
so u can git gud where u are "good"
jaunty mirage
so u can git gud where u are "good"
Well that and also just playing what you like
jaunty mirage
Biggest problem people who fotm chase is that they will inevitably end up on a class they donât even like, just because itâs good
vocal surge
I try to play for fun
vocal surge
But with so many FOTM players
jaunty mirage
Tbf for some people winning is the fun part
vocal surge
it becomes unfun playing against those meta specs
jolly sierra
ofc, why would u have fun by losing a lot?
minor cape
Tbf for some people winning is the fun part
winning on a class you like is twice as fun
vocal surge
and incredibly frustrating knowing if the class wasn't op, you'd win the fight
jaunty mirage
winning on a class you like is twice as fun
Yes
jolly sierra
haha this is funny, camping a flag in a bg
jaunty mirage
Play what you like and one day it might be busted and you will have a blast
jaunty mirage
Hahaha
minor cape
i broke a sap nerf rogue
vocal surge
minor cape
rogues do it from behind 
spark egret
REEEEEEEEEEE NERF ROGUES THEY KILLED ME IN OUTDOOR
did you know rogues could kill in vanilla without gear on
nerf class op since 2004
jolly sierra
rogues are the pvp class by default
any rogue which just pve is a fake one, fite me
jolly sierra
fakers
tender ferry
Any of you playing sub and intentionally avoiding 4pc?
potent pivot
Any of you playing sub and intentionally avoiding 4pc?
A lot of people are yeh
jaunty mirage
sub just goes 2pc?
plucky sage
BM hunter and 2x lock lobby
Should I feel bad that I got absolutely rocked
I had no idea how to live through all that shit.
spark egret
almost there
13% to go
fuc kme
it takes longer to get the saddle t han t he damn vicious mount
or maybe it just feels that way
probably cause Im actively trying to get tit
plucky sage
Came really close to not doing it
jolly sierra
F
plucky sage
objective:
survive
But yeah I think I underestimated how fucked I was
Should have been more patient
jolly sierra
in that kind of matches ur objective is just survive
are hard af, so don't expect a 6-0
with a 3-3 and trying again should be plenty, because OOF
jolly sierra
ME SMASH
plucky sage
are hard af, so don't expect a 6-0
Yeah ok I'll keep that in mind
spark egret
@jolly sierra
jolly sierra
more explosive and faster
jolly sierra
ME WIN
vocal surge
Fresh 70 Arms warrior
crafted pvp gear w. honor and 2p of Conquest crafted
walk into Solo Shuffle
2 matches later, already Rival MMR
past my Outlaw Rogue that I know in and out how to play
tame rivet
man war and dh comps jesus
vocal surge
also
almost won a round
casting abilities out of a spellbook
that closes everytime you get CCd
while doubling my Outlaw rogue's dps
rigid fox
Does blur work the same as evasion? If we hit a DH from behind we can go through blur? I feel like tthey got 360 angle lol
vocal surge
blur covers their back too
rigid fox
So we cant hit through it ?
jaunty mirage
correct
waxen meteor
Does blur work the same as evasion? If we hit a DH from behind we can go through...
No
Blue is 50% evasion rate though
But it works against attack from behind and works during stun
And itâs 1min cd
And it reduces dmg taken with talent everyone picks
So even you can choose to gamble but it doesnât seem to be a good deal anyway
jaunty mirage
Blue is 50% evasion rate though
incorrect
waxen meteor
how
jaunty mirage
its been bugged
since like bfa
gives 80%
people have tested it a bunch
straight up bugged the entirety of SL and currently still has not been fixed
so they have an 80% dodge from behind on a 45s cd, welcome to the hero class
jolly sierra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cFj6T9lOtM
share this in your beloved anti-rogues class discords
sharp sierra
Bruh why the hell have i been questing on my priest. Just started doing dungeons and itâs over a level per dungeon. Is it always like that? Iâm only level 50 and chromied to wod or is there something going on giving me more xp right now
If itâs always that way the war is next with insta queâs
spark egret
yeah I gotta level my lock later
I think I can hit 60 pretty fast but
60-70 is painful now without cobalt
sharp sierra
Yeah since i came back a few weeks ago i leveled my rogue and lock. Now iâm doing my war and priest. Especially if itâs always this fast through dungeons.
They were my mains back in vanilla-wotlk
jolly sierra
is this possible?
waxen meteor
lots of gears are bugged now like this
tulip yacht
why no exasanguinate for pvp?
waxen meteor
my DH also has so mutliple gear like that
dumb bug
and you cannot level up those gear anymore
waxen meteor
Like this one, you will not be able to level to 9/9 already
brisk solar
Hey, should you guys go sub over assas in 2v2 double dps
waxen meteor
I would prefer sub
brisk solar
Im playing with a MM so im dotting and leaping:P thinking sub might be better aswell
spark egret
whenever I queue into hpal
waxen meteor
with MM it's basically sub for certain
brisk solar
Aight, ill try it out. is it a harder spoecc then ass to learn tho?
jolly sierra
my rog has a gloves like that
fierce laurel
Isnât 408 elite?
jolly sierra
the thing bugs me the most is the pve ilvl too, yeah
isn't elite the latest upgrade level?
wintry dew
yes