pvp

[potent pivot]

If you only got matched with healers if there were 2, one for each team

[gleaming pawn]

good lord, 3v3 triple dps would be absolutely awful

[jolly sierra]

triple dps would be a shitshow

[potent pivot]

Yeah the spec/class imbalance would suck so bad

[plucky sage]

No it wouldn't be different binds, just visible Vs hidden action bars. If I don't have the PvE weakauras on I'll want to see cooldowns somewhere, like on my bars

I play all 3 specs, but have arranged my bars to be the same across all where possible. Like sap, cheap shot etc don't change binds

But adrenaline rush is swapped with shadow blades or thistle tea, etc

[potent pivot]

Having 2 UIs for both is fine

But def try to keybind the same across all content

You can make certain auras only show in raid/dungeon/pvp

[plucky sage]

Yeah I'm just gonna have to make a second action bar profile and set weakauras not to load in arena

[potent pivot]

Just have to minimize the amount of stuff you manually swap or have nothing you manually swap optimally

[plucky sage]

yeah that was my issue

I'm gonna go to the drawing board

so player, target, focus frames etc work both in pve and pvp

[potent pivot]

Nessper plays both pve and pvp pretty competitively and I don’t think he manually swaps anything

[plucky sage]

arena frames and boss frames etc etc

Raz does too

but he doesn't use weakauras

[gleaming pawn]

sounds like you have a very invasive WA package. There's no reason you can't have a simple CP/CDs wa group up in Arena so you aren't looking down, relying on the shit default frames, etc

[plucky sage]

well, idk maybe he uses raid weakaura stuff, but not rotational weakauras I meant

and he's 8/8 m

[plucky sage]

It's not that

it's that I play on a 14" laptop

so have really not a whole lot of real estate

this problem would be non existant on my normal desktop PC and screen, but I won't have that for several months so trying to make this crappy laptop setup work

[potent pivot]

Everyone has different preferences

[plucky sage]

yeah for sure

[potent pivot]

I’ve gotten cutting edge and used a WA package in raid but not pvp

[plucky sage]

I prefer hidden actionbars and essentials showing on weakaura

[plucky sage]

yeh for me seems like the ideal setup

anyway this laptop story really depresses me but whatever

[unborn portal]

Can you turn down ui scale

To fit more

[plucky sage]

I'll get my desktop back some day and it'll be like waking up from a coma

[plucky sage]

I can but then things are very hard to read

and causes eye strain

so I reverted back to normal UI scale

[unborn portal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-watchin-cat-watch-cats-of-internet-cute-cat-gif-17661352

Just stare closely

[plucky sage]

yeah lol

xDDD

[gleaming pawn]

yeah, just mush your face against the screen. It'll all work out 🙂

[plucky sage]

so obvious can't believe I been so oblivious

[potent pivot]

Lmao

[gleaming pawn]

losing your desktop, does that mean you lost your monitor(s) as well? I play on a laptop and just have WoW up on a 24" monitor

[neon slate]

Is infurious head BIS and you just tier all the other 4 slots?

[fierce laurel]

Gloves

[plucky sage]

No well, I moved from South Africa to France early last year, and couldn't bring everything with me on the plane obviously. I was meant to return to south Africa for a wedding so had planned to arrange to ship all my stuff over when I went back for the wedding. Got COVID, couldn't take my flight and missed the wedding, and so my shit has been stuck there since.

Another wedding coming up in march so I'll go back and sort out the shipping

Thanks for reading my blog post

[neon slate]

wdym

[fierce laurel]

Because glove tier is crit haste and the pvp gloves have a mastery verse version that’s typically the piece people choose not to tier.

[potent pivot]

Depends a little on spec and what ilvl you can get pve crafted items at

Check what people are doing on murlok.io can help a little on deciding as well

[neon slate]

if im disc ele outlaw vs disc arms arcane in solo shuffle what's the proper target

[fierce laurel]

I go mage if they take shimmer and other dps otherwise.

[visual flume]

Hello everyone, are there any guides/resources to learn outlaw arena pvp? or any streamers to watch? everything I found is from SL. Or do I just queue ss and wing it? haha

[plucky sage]

Tosan Tribe

https://youtu.be/iSvKs3ysCAo

he is top 5 outlaw NA

[neon slate]

im getting really frustrated by ele shamans how am i supposed to play around their damage

[visual flume]

oooooh can't beleive I missed that, thanks!

[neon slate]

everyone says to train them but they just strafe away insta casting for 100k.......

I DONT GET IT

[plucky sage]

No problem. I just spent a bunch of gold changing my whole setup from crit vers to mastery verse to play sub instead. Outlaw just did not feel good at all in pvp.

Not sure if it was a mistake as I am completely clueless about sub but I guess I'll improve in time.

[neon slate]

if im lacking awareness vs a certain class like ele shaman do i make a weak aura that shouts at me when they're popping cooldowns?

[plucky sage]

can't help you bud, sorry :S

[neon slate]

i simply can not tell when this class is about to global me

[sharp sierra]

[plucky sage]

holy heck

nErF rOgUeS!1!1!

[neon slate]

that hunter must have a really good gamer chair

his chair leans all the way back for sure

[sharp sierra]

i learned a lot

while rapid fire goes through vanish

without mark

[plucky sage]

I simmed for "heavy movement" to figure out what to upgrade. Surely my drakebreaker axe isn't that bad

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oyHtUbKoVGEFCofSjTUSJb

and for the badge of ferocity, I assume the sim is calculating it as using ferocity with insignia rather than the medallion of course.

I know simming PVP is not a thing but just trying to see what I should prioritise my conquest spending on.

[graceful ravine]

LOL

after dying to me in a duel 4 times

[worthy widget]

anybody here providing pvp coaching

[sharp sierra]

how is sub cringe

when sin deals dmg passively

[neon slate]

@plucky sage bro conquest is uncapped

Even if you prioritize it incorrectly just get it all lol

[plucky sage]

Assert dominance. Beat him in outlaw spec

Is there any reason to not have a macro like this?

#showtooltip Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Symbols of Death
/use 15

[fierce crystal]

Yes

Cuz u dont want to use trinket on cd

Sometimes u need to wait one go to kill

And then u want trinket for that go and not for the one before

Same With blades etc

Even symbols, since u might wanna dance to sap or cc first before going on target, then u miss out on uptime

Does that make sense?

[plucky sage]

yeah

ok but symbols and blades can be on the same no?

It's just because I had them all on separate binds, and was feeling super clunky and slow in openers trying to press 8 different buttons

I'm an old man you see, so it's not so easy to play the piano for me

but ok I'll keep trinket on a separate bind

and dance too

[plucky sage]

I guess so, keep forgetting caps are gone

[unborn portal]

no you dont want to do that

chosing when to send shadow blades is better

make it easy to press key

my shadowblades is S

[fierce crystal]

Ye u really dont Wanna have anything together

Since they all have their different use

[plucky sage]

but I mean if I send shadowblades I want to send symbols at the same time, why would I press blades and hold symbols? I guess the #showtooltip thing should be Shadow Blades

and then while blades is on CD I can still press that button to get symbols in between

[unborn portal]

heres idea

[red basalt]

What are people using as their sap macro? Mine doesn't seem to target people quick enough to get a sap off if they are stealthed

[unborn portal]

make a keybind for symbols, then make shift modifier for same key, for both same time

if you must do it that way

[unborn portal]

which one; stealth sap macro?

[plucky sage]

ya i think he means the spammy one to sap a stealthed rogue

[unborn portal]

#showtooltip Sap
/cleartarget
/targetenemyplayer
/cast Sap

[plucky sage]

/cleartarget one

[red basalt]

Yeah stealthed sap macro

[unborn portal]

if they are not infront of youm you wont notice them

[plucky sage]

but but, so there are scenarios where you will press Shadowblades but hold your symbols?

[red basalt]

Yeah they have been infront, I'll give that a shot. Thanks!

[unborn portal]

you're reversing the idea I gave you

I wouldnt do it the other way flat out

[plucky sage]

I'd still have symbols on bars to know separately the cooldown timers for each, but if I can press a single button for them it would make life easier, that's why I'm insisting

[unborn portal]

right.... so just one button... then shift modifier for both

if you want it that way

like R can be symbols, then showtooltip blades and shift r is both

so you take up same bar real estate

again

I wouldnt do things this way

[plucky sage]

Yeah I mean I can do that but my unmodded buttons are all taken up, and usually shift will do focus. So F is kidney, shift F is focus kidney, etc

[unborn portal]

just because it normally is

doesnt mean it has to be

my arena macros are alt
and focus is shift
but I have other things on shift as well

is stealth / Shift+ is shadowmeld+stealth

etc

[plucky sage]

sure but reshuffling things can be hard when I am already just trying to learn the spec to begin with. Changing muscle memory at the same time will just leave me mashing random buttons

[unborn portal]

you can do it however you'd like

[plucky sage]

nice, I can do that for my steath bind, good plan

[unborn portal]

you can make a macro that shoots of perpetual fireworks, I just think

you would get better mileage not making a habit out of it

[plucky sage]

I'm not nelf though but IF I WAS (jokes it's a good idea for my druid)

[unborn portal]

forcing yourself to learn new binds but playing better > easy binds / worst outcome

oh the thing didnt work; ` is my stealth key

[plucky sage]

same

next to 1

[unborn portal]

yes

tilde

also how old are you

im 30

[plucky sage]

yeah, well ² for me

[unborn portal]

no excuse

[plucky sage]

azerty

I'm 36

[unborn portal]

[plucky sage]

you'll be 36 one day

what can I do

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unborn portal]

do you use TYGHB?

S?

[graceful ravine]

https://streamable.com/z3xpee

did yall know you can kill thru emerald communion

😄

[plucky sage]

I hear you but my binds aren't shit. It's just I watch PVP videos and like people somehow send blades, symbols, trinket, dance in what looks like a nanosecond, and here I am pressing 4 buttons individually which feels like 3 globals

I get that you want to use them separately at times, fully understand that

but like enemy healer in blind and kill target at 30%, I felt like having a one button murder macro would make the difference there

so if I have that macro I showed on a new different button, and keep each CD on their current bind too, then that might work out..

[unborn portal]

it might be worth considering where your binds are located as well

[plucky sage]

I have done that

[graceful ravine]

buy razer naga or logitech g600 mouse with buttons on it

its life changing

[plucky sage]

AZERTY keyboard. Rotation is 12345, A and E are rupture and Evis
Shift AE 1234 all DPS CDs, Defensives are alt AE123

[unborn portal]

that too

[graceful ravine]

youre missing control

[unborn portal]

a naga would be nice

[plucky sage]

cc is SRFTG and focus is shift of those

[graceful ravine]

you still have room for ctrl qertyfghzxcvb

[plucky sage]

I mean these binds and set up work fine in outlaw, I just set up my bars for sub TODAY so I think I need time for the musclememory to set in.. But idk 1 button murder macro seemed like a really nice idea

[unborn portal]

it sounds nice on paper sure

[plucky sage]

yeah I kind of hate ctrl, I do use it for focus 123 and arena 123 targeting though

[unborn portal]

like I have a naga and hit 7 and 9 but never really hit 8 for whatever reason

then 0-= on the naga are set focus 123

[graceful ravine]

i cant hit 1-6 without brain freeze

[plucky sage]

I have an mmo mouse but not with me currently. It's in south africa..

#pvp message

[unborn portal]

oh Im super comfy with my 1-7

[plucky sage]

^^^

It definitely made a difference when I had it but right now I gotta work with a 2 button mouse and that's all I can do

[unborn portal]

if I had 2 button mouse

[plucky sage]

my binds?

[unborn portal]

I would make the 2 buttons ctrl and alt

because I dont use as many alt or ctrl binds

keep shift

then boom

[fierce crystal]

Actually 9 head

[unborn portal]

[plucky sage]

i tried that before, it was weird

[unborn portal]

I give up

[plucky sage]

maybe I needed more time to get used to it but I just

[unborn portal]

lmao

[plucky sage]

it confused the fuck out of me

[unborn portal]

do that and play bgs for a week

then you're gucci gangster

after

or who cares rating is easy

[plucky sage]

lol

[unborn portal]

to climb once you get it

you CAN teach a dog new tricks

[plucky sage]

yeah well, I was really just asking if my macro was a good or bad idea, you said bad. The keybind thing, IMO, is barking up the wrong tree

so I will practice without the macro and see if it gets easier once I get comfortable with this spec (since I've never touched it until today)

[vague summit]

is the illusion out yet?

[fierce crystal]

Nah

[unborn portal]

its called an illusion because we will never see it

[potent pivot]

No tricks

[unborn portal]

he was summoned

[drowsy monolith]

what tf do i do in a lobby vs ret monk arms?

[frozen falcon]

Survival main learning sin rogue, in solo shuffle is it better to focus one target or maintain dots on as many as possible. I kinda panic and use finishers without many combo points out of panic since I'm not used to combo points and mess up when 2 warriors are smacking me.

[tawny kestrel]

as what spec

[drowsy monolith]

assa

hardstuck 2200

[tawny kestrel]

learn what targets u can kill and then decide whether or not u want to bleed more targets

if u can kill a target its good to bleed the target

assa can kill basically everything, so 99% of the time u just bleed everything

[tawny kestrel]

just kite a lot if u are the target and go in when u have kidney

keep bleeds up as much as possible, otherwise just kite and let ur other dps do the damage

[drowsy monolith]

yeah i managed to kite and stay out of getting tunneled

but that just ended in sopmeone else getting oneshot

arvg 1 min duration 6 rounds

[tawny kestrel]

that is a really shit lobby for assa to be fair

[drowsy monolith]

yeah

[tawny kestrel]

but ye just gotta make the best of it

[drowsy monolith]

i managed 2-4

[tawny kestrel]

prob fine

sometimes it do be like that

[drowsy monolith]

yeah

had 5 3-3's and a 4-2

[tawny kestrel]

triple melee lobbies as assa are mostly pure pain

[drowsy monolith]

immediately tank that hard earned 4-2 xD

[tawny kestrel]

i think as a general tip, just make sure u do the most damage u can while taking as little damage as possible

and then u will get rating

[drowsy monolith]

im gonna try the shadowstep build & shiv build for melees

[tawny kestrel]

think a common mistake is people overcomplicate things

and try to do too many things

when all u really need to do is damage as assa

[drowsy monolith]

immediately queue into dh monk arms

lmao

lets see how i do

[frozen falcon]

Appreciate it I'll try that, now I just gotta learn to stay focused when it's chaotic so I don't mess up combo point building and spending

[drowsy monolith]

2-4 again

garbage lobbies man

[tawny kestrel]

sadly all there is to it is to get better

cant blame it on spec atm

just gotta keep grinding

[drowsy monolith]

yah

im at 500 rounds already

wouldnt surprise me if i need at least 1k to reach elite

but here for it

[karmic python]

Hey, how much impact have 4 set as assa in pvp?

[potent pivot]

Big

[karmic python]

Actually i hardstuck with 2 set on 2,3 in ss but think about to get 4 set...

I have some times damage Problems like dont have enough energy to press smthg

[potent pivot]

Energy should almost never really be an issue, but assa by nature is a slow spec

Your dot ticks can generate energy through talents so you need to keep some dots up to have some energy coming in at a decent rate

But with thistle tea and other energy talents you shouldn’t feel very starved

[karmic python]

Yes of course i maybe dont use ofen dice and slice..

Often*

I forget it sometimes tbh Playing rogue like 1 week... Need to be in muscle mind

[potent pivot]

Slice n dice isn’t super important but you should be able to keep it up pretty passively

[karmic python]

Applie 1 time and it stacks with evenom

[potent pivot]

With CttC talent envenom extends SnD

Yeah

[karmic python]

You Playing with exa? I feel like it isnt nice in rsss

[potent pivot]

Yeah I like it

[jolly sierra]

alright i didn't shuffle yet but i will join after the exercise rotine

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

got a tier chest in pvp ilvl to replace the malicia one + a pvp trinket in purple for plus agi

im just missing the BM and the agi proc trinkets

[karmic python]

@potent pivot what is the best moment to use deathmark? I offen use in Opener and then they just trade

[potent pivot]

Well it can depend on team comps but I don’t usually like to use it on my first kidney

I usually open and garrote 1 or 2 targets, throw some ruptures out then kidney someone to try and get CDs

Then try to DM when I see a good opportunity

[jolly sierra]

imo is good to use after someone uses trinket

so u kidney and slap the burst

[karmic python]

@potent pivot true.

[potent pivot]

In rss you kinda want to use some stuff early but I don’t think tossing DM on first opener is typically the play

Not very likely to get a second use in a lot of matches

[karmic python]

Yes safe

[potent pivot]

Can depend a lot on comps and rating though

[jolly sierra]

what about using exsang at opener?

[potent pivot]

You can but it’s more likely to help squeeze a kill later

In my experience so far

[karmic python]

Yes, safe.
Playing exa and useing it late can be a big win Potencial play

[jolly sierra]

yeah, is just to bait defensives

[potent pivot]

Exsang can turn a lot of “near kills” into actual kills when the enemy team has nothing left

[karmic python]

But 3 min cd for bait? Mhm...

[potent pivot]

Assa’s pressure with just kidney and shiv can usually get some CDs

In rss defensives are very “use em or lose em”

Until you start getting into much higher rating

Guess it also depends on how competent your team is at doing dmg too though

[jolly sierra]

i dont trust my teams since i just kept sapping and then the fuckers died against 2 dps without their healer

[worthy crag]

So when are the pally changes coming

[jolly sierra]

for 10.0.7

[neon slate]

how can i make my DR tracker on Sarena show me the tooltip for sap, blind, etc instead of poly or whatever

i keep making DR mistakes cuz it's like a pop quiz of which icons share DR w/ my blind

[drowsy monolith]

fuck do i do against bm

feels like i have no defensives vs bm as assa

he has his cd up 90% of the game

[unborn portal]

[potent pivot]

i think some of them should be on the .7 ptr(?)

whatever's been implemented and isn't bugged anyway

[minor breach]

Look in the general tab I believe. But I don’t think you can standardize it to only your CC of that school, just whatever spell caused that DR vs the generic symbols

[jolly sierra]

hey guys im a little coward pushing shuffle (im in a win streak) but im trying to avoid pvpeing there too much, can u motivate me with some insults to go ahead without fear? lol

[cosmic seal]

Sub or sin to push 2.4 solo shuffle ?

[neon slate]

DUDE EVVERY FUCKING TIME A HUNTER FEIGNS DEATH THEY HAVE NO HEALTH BAR PERMENANTLY LOL

i just lost 0-6 cuz im just vs 3 hunters who are fucking invisible

[uneven grove]

small indie company

[neon slate]

wowowoowowow wthat was tilting

[potent pivot]

either

[neon slate]

Outlaw

[sharp sierra]

Real chads don’t even pick a spec and just use rogue abilities and auto attacks

[spring bough]

for my outlaw bros. i have 5/5 tier. trying to decide between using 1% dmg helm or crit/vers or haste/vers chest. with 1% dmg helm im at 28% crit 5% haste 28% vers before pvp ilvl bumps. if i went with either chest id be over 30% vers. worth it to get over 30 on vers or just stick w the dmg helm?

[ornate canopy]

hey guys, lets say i have 30 vers and 40+ mastery in pvp

as assa, should my gems and enchants be versa mastery or mastery vers

i keep finding different perspectives

[waxen meteor]

Yeah I thought it was my own issue lol

[waxen meteor]

Pandas are all weak sauce, go hard or go in my plate

[jolly sierra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[waxen meteor]

What are you A ing

[jolly sierra]

im scared

[waxen meteor]

Picking A plate?

[jolly sierra]

nono pls no

fine im queuing

[potent pivot]

just think back to a time where someone said you couldn't do it

and go DO IT

[waxen meteor]

That wouldn’t work for panda

Just eat her

[jolly sierra]

NOOOOO

[waxen meteor]

Getting salt and pepper now

Maybe wasabi

[potent pivot]

just go play absolutely out of your mind

blast yourself to 2.4

[waxen meteor]

But sometimes I feel the same though

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[waxen meteor]

Anyway I got all gear to highest level now

What else I can lose

Nobody checks my ranking all day anyway

[jolly sierra]

yeah, except jealous elitists which are hardstuck tho

to soothe themselves by being a failure and blaming other persons instead themselves

fine, i'll dinner and run to arena

[waxen meteor]

Take it easy

You might lose

But it doesn’t matter

[jolly sierra]

yeah, im still in time

so i will play more relaxed

that illusion will be mine

[twin burrow]

Are illusions acc wide

[jolly sierra]

yes

[unborn portal]

[jolly sierra]

yo

you were right about everything

specially with BM being free matches lol

[potent pivot]

[graceful ravine]

https://twitter.com/leekatv/status/1625203037852831745

Chris (@leekatv)

@KaceyBuchanan 6087 NA players in SS over 2400, not counting multiple specs (player over 2400 on 3 specs is counting as 1)

Twitter · Feb 13, 2023, 6:39 PM

this is less than i thought lol

[jolly sierra]

yep

how many players in pvp are rn in ranked?

[graceful ravine]

no idea

[jolly sierra]

🤔

[summer plinth]

HOLY CRAP

[jolly sierra]

congrats dude

[sharp sierra]

the 2100 game

[potent pivot]

big gratz

[jolly sierra]

tell us how will go

[sharp sierra]

2 inters

how would it go

dh ruining 6 second kidney with chaos nova

[jolly sierra]

KEK

try again

[sharp sierra]

Can any rogue spec be viable in pvp right now or are there clear winners/losers?

[jolly sierra]

no, rog is a dead class and we are deleting our chars

[sharp sierra]

which one of you is this

[frozen falcon]

Is that W/L record??

[sharp sierra]

how does one play that many rounds

[jolly sierra]

with time

lol

[frozen falcon]

It's time to find a new hobby

[sharp sierra]

balance druid have no business having a spell called orbital strike

gta mfs

[graceful ravine]

must be a healer

no one is crazy enough to wait those dps queues

[sharp sierra]

it was a rogue

[jolly sierra]

it was u? lol

a guy in the bg told me to kill myself

i just reported him to make him break his desktop

was a warrior, always are the warriors

[sharp sierra]

no

[jolly sierra]

how ended the rog in score?

[sharp sierra]

i dont remember

[jolly sierra]

:/

what about u

[sharp sierra]

i dropped to 1900

fuck my life

2/4

[jolly sierra]

:/

were u about to 2k1?

[sharp sierra]

yep for the 20th time so far

happens i guess

[jolly sierra]

crap

think u need a rest and wait for some weeks tho

maybe rating will get inflated

[sharp sierra]

i didnt get that thing about rating inflation on wowhead

complicated for rogue brain

[jolly sierra]

basically

the season since now will progressively have inflated the MMR

so will raise artificially by itself

EX. ppl with 1k6 will be able to reach 1k8 with this inflation

from now to end season

[sharp sierra]

damn

[jolly sierra]

👓

OR U CAN DO THE PLAN B

show me ur armory

[waxen meteor]

Reached highest score then drop -.-

[graceful ravine]

im surprised how little ppl play battlemaster

i never take mine off..

[waxen meteor]

Is this shuttle or 3s

[graceful ravine]

both

its the same

[waxen meteor]

well tbh you probably don't need it in 3s?

you go with mage or sp or hunter, it's more likely we are not the main target?

[jolly sierra]

i play it against warriors

else they delete me

[waxen meteor]

just had a 2-4 after historical high

and the pure reason of the lost is the DH....

damn it keeps fucking the stun

[jolly sierra]

think other guy complained for that too

[waxen meteor]

I kept telling him to not stun killing target, he kept saying yes

[jolly sierra]

today

[waxen meteor]

but he kept doing opposite

those two loses is totally unnecessary

[jolly sierra]

AHHHHH I HAD A PVP PARTNER LIKE THAT

[waxen meteor]

and it's against two caster, it's not very easy for me to go kidney the other dude

[jolly sierra]

WAS A FKN HUNTER, TOLD HIM TO STOP USING STUN ON MAIN TARGET AND THE FUCKER JUST KEPT DOING THAT

so i just said it was done, bb and deleted him from friends

ah no

he did that to me

[waxen meteor]

the DH exits badly but he fucked me with him

[jolly sierra]

how outrageous

and that happen cuz ppl is pea brained

and cant follow a single order

[sharp sierra]

fucking hell i despise melee lobbies

[waxen meteor]

The other lose is also annoying, the bird druid kept yelling to me to just go sap, he will interrupt true vision, don't' worry he got it 34838234 times

and guess what, he didn't

could have been a 5-1...

but anyway

[jolly sierra]

tf that ppl

[waxen meteor]

He spoke really confident

I was baited

BTW, got a melee lobby with feral, dh, dk

[jolly sierra]

that cockiness is jinx

[sharp sierra]

its literally the same every single time

[waxen meteor]

successfully changed the game to kill the healer * 6

[jolly sierra]

u say "what a bad person go for him lol"

[sharp sierra]

league of legends ranked moment

[jolly sierra]

then the guy do r1 plays

and u lose

[jolly sierra]

will u do the same as before when u dropped a lot?

keep playing?

[sharp sierra]

no lol

not worth

[waxen meteor]

Just go healer

[jolly sierra]

or just play later

and buy a lucky shirt

bis for RNG stuff

[sharp sierra]

straight out of a chinese drama

[jolly sierra]

the xmog? lol

[sharp sierra]

yes

[jolly sierra]

kek

[final vessel]

Activate windows.

[worthy crag]

the lucky shirt is a trap

Once you wear it for long enough, the "lucky" part becomes the norm, hence it's not as much a lucky shirt anymore as it is an "unlucky" shirt to take off.

Eventually you will be afraid of taking it off for fear of getting unlucky even though you decide your own luck and fate, and not the damn shirt

Thanks for coming to my ted talk

[dull plaza]

This guyy

[minor cape]

no need for lucky shirt

just need to have jebs underwear

in inventory

[gusty gate]

Hey guys, does someone of u guys a weak aura what tells u what Def Cds your healer is usin on u ? For example when i get ps i want a wa that shows me that 🙂

[wintry dew]

I believe big debuffs does that

It's an addon

[proper heath]

We are rogues, Feelsbad, We die through defensives 😦

unless it's bubble sac. Ty pala .

[sharp sierra]

HAHAHHAHAHAHA

HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN EVERY SINGLE TIME

[proper heath]

whats going on?

[sharp sierra]

-300 rating for no reason i just keep losing

[proper heath]

If you reverse your "Rounds played" You get 69. Teehee giggle

[sharp sierra]

i hate how coin flippy solo shuffle is

i bet if i found a decent partner and put the same amount of games played id probably reach 2100 easier

[supple pulsar]

Like when the dh versus you pump 50k dps and when he play with you doing 15k dps dying with dark blur immune available

[sharp sierra]

stop noticing!

[proper heath]

Dude this is every partner.
They are dog on your team, and all of a sudden Rank 1s when they are on the other team. 😄

[tribal bay]

should i always just run away after doing a burst on someone when play assa?

[proper heath]

Depends. usually no.

After doing burst, you should be ccing.

You aren't trying to reset so they can heal all that up for free, you are trying to continue pressure and cc their healer or damaging their healer so they are struggling.

[sharp sierra]

i like how people pick dwarf to "counter" rogues but get ran down by warriors

[supple pulsar]

For some reason every warrior I saw in shuffle the last 3 day went 6-0 even with aiming they're spear like Harry Kane penalty

[tribal bay]

so after initial burst just bleeding targets and getting out envenoms/kyrian envenoms ?

and keeping healer CC'd obv

[proper heath]

yeah just Pump damage.

Dont run, unless you're running to go cc something. It's very seldom we as rogues just run away with no particular objective. Just to Line of sight.
We have so many defensives , we can stay in, disable, interrupt, cause trouble.
If I were to kite a warrior for example, I would kite away from him, but towards his healer, so I'm in position to setup cc for my next kidney shot.
Do you understand the logic? I'm not running to run away, I'm running but also towards the goal of my next setup.
Very seldom do I peace out completely , and leave the area to reset.

[tribal bay]

yeah bro that makes heaps of sense

how do i deal with UI bug ?? anyone know whats fucking my shit up constantly

just had to reload mid game but it dc'd me instead was pretty aids

[proper heath]

which ui bug

[sharp sierra]

amp poison

[tribal bay]

the one that stops every keybind working

just pumps the screen with errors its so fried ive had it since day 1

is exsanguinate worth taking?

[final vessel]

Yes.

[sharp sierra]

nothing like waiting a 20 min queue

only to have 2 warriors and a dk

[tribal bay]

isnt that what the whole of solo shuffle is tho

i dont understand

[sharp sierra]

it sucks

[tribal bay]

is 50k DPS opener on pvp dummy OK as 416 ilvl assa

[sharp sierra]

fuck it going this into melee zug zugers

atleast vanish will be useful

[tribal bay]

may aswell take shadow dance at that point

and garrote everything

[sharp sierra]

tell me again why doesnt sin tree have any defensive points

[tribal bay]

confused as to why nullifying shroud exists?

[sharp sierra]

because nerf rogues

[warm lance]

Im starting to see why youve dropped on rating again

[unique hamlet]

I'm new to arena but my 2s duo asks me to pillar sap can anyone explain what that is lol

Is it literally hugging a pillar to sap

[uneven grove]

just sap the pillar

tbh i never heard such a phrase

[warm lance]

First ive heard it too

[unique hamlet]

Oh I'm duo with an innovater I guess lol

[tribal bay]

meh

this games shit

might leave the house isntead

[surreal whale]

Is it still possible to Cloak of Shadows out of Warrior Spear of Bastion?

[fierce crystal]

Sadly no

[unborn portal]

last night mage on my team died twice no iceblock

fight against him he iceblocks twice same round

[supple pulsar]

Classic

[unborn portal]

he was saving it for against me

[tribal bay]

is this a normal dmg breakdown

[unborn portal]

should have bonespiked more

what talents, why ambush

[tribal bay]

procs

blindside procs

[unborn portal]

blindside

[tribal bay]

ya i just got rid of it actually

i only listen to our lord and saviour raz

and he said its terrible

[waxen meteor]

Your tool is strange

600k less than 1%

200k 10%

[potent pivot]

[unborn portal]

ITS JOKE

[potent pivot]

Nah it’s not, just not as popular anymore

[unborn portal]

[potent pivot]

[surreal whale]

Is there any way to get out of the tether?

[fierce crystal]

only gate sadly

[unborn portal]

there is another way

I dont recommend trying it

currently if you shadowstep someone while being "pulled" into the spear ie: midflight back into center, you break the tether

hard to time obviously

[bold bison]

can anyone offer some advice about Sub playstyle? are we trying to send finishers between goes to get SecTec back off CD? or is it better to just send a 'go' on Kidney DR with whatever CDs are available?

[supple pulsar]

And then u try so hard to perfect frame it that u use both charge of steps and here u are watching dis warrior in the eyes

[unborn portal]

like I said dont try it at home

[tribal bay]

damn yea cant port out of it anymore either

why did they stop that

seems kinda dumb that they can just spear bladestorm triple MS someone with no counter

[unborn portal]

warrior sad rogue gone

[spark egret]

Rogue OP nerf did you see AWC broken class killed me in vanilla no gear equipped

[supple pulsar]

There's a counter tho it's the warrior itself

Sometime they just somehow miss spear by 20m

When ur stormbolted ofc

[unborn portal]

if warriors could read they would be very upset by this

[potent pivot]

The latter

You can send mini goes without sec tech

You want to be cycling shadow dances and using finishers outside of dances to get charges back etc

[unborn portal]

ye dont ever send both dances right at the start

[bold bison]

okay nice. I'm assuming there's an element of energy management then? I noticed how energy starved I am outside of dance

[unborn portal]

[potent pivot]

To an extent, but it’s not hugely important in most cases tbh

Most important thing is to have energy for cc when you need it

[tribal bay]

yes it feels shit outside dance thats ur energy management

how the fuck are you meant to play the game as assa

as soon as something auto attacks me im dead

a healer could solo me with their staff

[warm lance]

4set and drakebreaker spear on hunter now

Maybe I can start doing some damage on it now

[bold bison]

Assa damage is brainless and easy, but effectively playing around you and your healers' defensives is a bit more challenging

I swear your games are easier at 2200+ in Solo

[tribal bay]

yeah sure the rotations simple but what classes rotation isnt simple

there isnt a single class in wow that someone cant learn by hitting a dummy for a few hours

[bold bison]

example - in a low lobbie a warrior zug zugs you, your healer is full mana, not sitting in CC. you hit 40% so you press evasion. 2 seconds later, the Pain Suppression lands

[tribal bay]

its all the same shit

[bold bison]

you're now closer to losing

[tribal bay]

i just feel unhealable

like i swear im at 10% hp the whole match til the healer finally has no other buttons to press

[supple pulsar]

This tbh

[tribal bay]

well theres no way im getting to 2200

assa rogue is the only spec i've played with a negative win rate

and i've played so many classes at this point

[unborn portal]

I feel like my opener as assa is inconsistent, sometimes I win by opening kidney on killtarget then garrote -> er -> rupture but I prolly should kidney garrote off target and garrote kill target for more spread pressure and can get both dots rolling on both v early

idk what to do sometimes

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523282321303142400/1067752330210066432/attachment-1.gif

[tribal bay]

i just tested using deathmark before exsanguinate

and both times i 1 shot someone

[visual flume]

yo so who is the top ranked outlaw Natashx, is it Nahj's alt or someone else?

[surreal whale]

Thank you Oggish.

[tribal bay]

is going for a healer a good idea at low mmr to try and cheese wins

as assa

[fierce laurel]

Literally just hit tab any time your target uses a defensive cooldown or external pain sup and do a pve rotation.

[tribal bay]

i get 1 shot

if i dont 1 shot someone else i die

[potent pivot]

It’s not Nahj

[visual flume]

oh that's dope

[tawny kestrel]

trimaz

[warped locust]

Would y'all recommend Assas or sub to pair with a surv/disc in 3s?

Newish to rogue, played up to 1950 each tier since BFA but never as a rogue

[jaunty mirage]

Thug is traditionally a sub comp

[karmic python]

@potent pivot thanks for yout Tipps yesterday i pushed to 2,3 🔥✌️

[warped locust]

Would Assas work with it or does the comp need all the cc?

[jaunty mirage]

I’m sure it would work, assa has more control now than it has before

Main issue is assa usually wants to always be multidotting

Thug is typically about constantly rotating ccs and creating goes, it’s a super setup based comp

[warped locust]

Gotcha. And yeah the traps and multidotting don't mesh as well

[jaunty mirage]

Playing whichever spec you like best is always the answer though

[warped locust]

Gotcha OK! Appreciate it

[jolly sierra]

does this kind of unjustified reports works for pvp too? xdd

[jaunty mirage]

@graceful ravine legit never played sub rogue at any point, but have been trying it out the last two weeks

i couldnt tell you if i love it or if i never want to play this dumbass spec again

my friend says that is the sub rogue experience

[jolly sierra]

i answered myself xdd

[jaunty mirage]

yeah false reporting works unfortunately

i got a 3 day ban in classic cause i told some dude being racist in a bg chat that his mom was probably very disappointed in him

no clue if the racist dude himself got a ban, id hope so cause everyone was reporting him

[jolly sierra]

can be if has enough reports

i wish blizzard can confirm u if the person is banned or not lol

[jaunty mirage]

yeah

cause that mail they send out isnt even consistent

[jolly sierra]

agree

the only time i've received a mail for that was for a guy which was botting

[jaunty mirage]

i actually didnt get a mail for that incident

but like

it was an AV

so had to be at least 20 people reporting him

id hope more than that but its the internet

[jolly sierra]

the think is

i dont get how u got banned for that

if u were the victim, with less reports xd

[jaunty mirage]

if he got his guild to report me

also the context is missing a little LOL

[jolly sierra]

a

[jaunty mirage]

i said his mom was disappointed in him, so he said his mom was dead

and i said wow she was REALLY disappointed then

[jolly sierra]

LOL

[jaunty mirage]

but like its the internet, decent chance he just said that

[jolly sierra]

yeah

[jaunty mirage]

i didnt argue the ban, but was just annoying i never got confirmation of his

[turbid rose]

Tbh that ban is the champaign of victory for that roast.

[jaunty mirage]

lmao

honestly the annoying part was he lasted the entire bg

some of the stuff he was saying in bg chat was pretty wild

i was certain hed just get hooked at some point

[jolly sierra]

some persons have very high mental issues

[jaunty mirage]

yes

[turbid rose]

I generally just keep chat off if possible.

[jolly sierra]

and in internet there are not filters for that bs sadly

[jaunty mirage]

yeah

[turbid rose]

People protected by anonymity will say whatever just because they can.

[jaunty mirage]

although i feel like if you type out gamer words they could just make that an automatic ban

[turbid rose]

They would just trick the system if there were filtered words.

[jaunty mirage]

yeah absolutely

[turbid rose]

Or attempt to.

I remember my RuneScape days as a weelad learning all the naughty work arounds for their chat filter.

[jolly sierra]

blizz should use club penguin swearing system lol

[jaunty mirage]

hahaha

that would be hilarious tbh

[jolly sierra]

and efficient tho

[turbid rose]

Idk what it is tbh lol.

[jolly sierra]

you got autobanned by swearing

[jaunty mirage]

yeah just like

on the spot

soon as you press enter you get booted lmao

[turbid rose]

Ah, I'd be banned immediately lol.

[jolly sierra]

would be funny af

[jaunty mirage]

they could just have specific words instead of ALL swear words

[jolly sierra]

imagine the 70% of pvp playerbase dissapearing for that

agree

[jaunty mirage]

lmao

[frozen falcon]

Do you think more higher rated players or lowe rated ones would be banned

[jaunty mirage]

100% of the classic pserver player base would be gone the first hour

[turbid rose]

Yeah I agree, just insta-gib key words and call it a day lol.

[jaunty mirage]

i mean, a bunch of streamers and tourney players have already gotten in trouble for that stuff

[frozen falcon]

Psh, what is this, a kids game?

[jaunty mirage]

17 year old online childrens roleplaying game

[turbid rose]

I'm a child at heart.

[jolly sierra]

i started playing since 12yo

[turbid rose]

I was a poor kid and my folks wouldn't pay for WoW so I played RuneScape lol.

[jolly sierra]

F

[turbid rose]

RuneScape's a good game, still goin strong.

[hollow vigil]

how old r u now?

[frozen falcon]

I was playing Gran Turismo a lot growing up

[turbid rose]

31

Oh, that wasn't a reply to me lol.

[wicked rampart]

Pika was even talking about this on Sunday I think it was, he said the broadcast used to do pop-ins on the players comms but now they only do the cams because of how many pop-ins were NSFW lmao

[turbid rose]

I think work needs to start adding a little more danger.

[jolly sierra]

rn i have 26

[hollow vigil]

same age as me then

[jolly sierra]

kek

crap i hate some ppl in skirmishes

i got a mage, then the guy didn't dropped a table

gates open, then goes to a plataform a cast a table

xd

[turbid rose]

Makin you work for that meal.

[jolly sierra]

i died kek

[jaunty mirage]

yeah

EU competitive gaming scene particularly has a problem with gamer words

[graceful ravine]

It’s miserable below 2k for sure

Ppl triple dr stubs

[jaunty mirage]

i havent even really done shuffle yet

my gear is still kinda shit

just been spamming 2s with random mages from lfg

[sleek belfry]

anyone have a shuriken tornado spec for rbgs they're happy with? I don't :*(

[graceful ravine]

That sounds terrible

Doing negative damage

[potent pivot]

Damn, are you me? Am I you? We are the same person

[potent pivot]

I can imagine going into a full team teamfight and blasting 4 black powders in a row would feel good

Probably not the most effective thing to do though

[turbid rose]

RuneScape Squad.

[jaunty mirage]

would you just go full send on secret tech build for shuffle?

seems kinda sketch to me, doesnt even take ER, but idk

ive played sub for 2 weeks, i obviously have no idea what im doing

[potent pivot]

You can still take ER

[jaunty mirage]

yeah just the build that got linked to me doesnt take it

[potent pivot]

Just swap it over to taking it lol

I think at this point ER is better for most builds

[jaunty mirage]

i guess it would be find weakness and soothing darkness youd drop?

[fierce laurel]

You basically always take CB and dance. Then take either ER or stratagem.

[jaunty mirage]

ahh ok

so yeah this build takes stratagem

[fierce laurel]

Yeah so drop that for 3 pts and go down ER

[jaunty mirage]

that makes more sense

i was thinking it seemed weird to drop find weakness

[potent pivot]

What does that build not run shadow dance or something?

[crimson cape]

When is a good time to get slice and dice up for assa?

Garrote x2, rupture, shiv…?? Then what

[minor cape]

my dudes

whats a viable double dps comp in 2s

with sub

[jaunty mirage]

It does haha

[minor cape]

and would disc sub work if there are none

🥹

do you guys thing sub + destro is viable?

[jolly sierra]

a mage tho

[minor cape]

i dunno dude

tried fire sub w my friend it seems impossible against healer games rn

[fierce laurel]

Two charges of pain sup and communism make the setups easily countered this season.

[minor cape]

and its just fires damage is not that great

with destro rn seems to work better

anyways, does sub disc work?

[fierce laurel]

It’s not as good as sin but it’s amazing sub practice because you need to perfect your globals.

[tawny kestrel]

communism

[minor cape]

i see

ive seen people play sub with pretty much any other burst class, why is mage the classic one?

[jolly sierra]

try a frost

[fierce laurel]

Survival and control.

[minor cape]

tried arcane

and fire

should try frost prolly

seems like better damage and survival

[minor cape]

when does a mage control?

shouldnt i be the one

doing stun shit

or no?

[fierce laurel]

You can poly the kill target 3 times while you’re resetting

You can frost Nova

You can blink

[minor cape]

is a thing like blind - poly - poly on healer a good thing?

[fierce laurel]

Mage rogue is about stalling for cc drs and mage is the best at it while also having spammable cc

No it’s more like Cs healer poly healer. Go dps. If either trinkets you poly the dps and do it again 20 seconds later.

Blind the healer to extend gos or start one early while poly is dr.

[minor cape]

ooh

i thought you have to blind healer first go

so that he trinkets

and chain him w gouge or sap or some shit

[fierce laurel]

You can. But ideally you don’t.

Don’t gouge healer ever.

[minor cape]

why?

[fierce laurel]

Poly dr

[minor cape]

oooh

so ideal go would be cheap healer, kidney kill target, then mage does double poly

on heal

[fierce laurel]

Having blind still when the healer doesn’t have trinket is a huge win condition.

[minor cape]

and this way we force both trinkets

or at least one

do i ever kidney healer?

[fierce laurel]

Yeah. The best setup is
sap dps cs healer
Poly healer stun dps and go.

You can kidney heals as sub.

But typically you should need to if you’re patient with your mage or they’re pre DBing or pre poly.

Shouldn’t.

[minor cape]

so its never

sap healer go dps with stun

its bad right?

cause poly dr

[fierce laurel]

That’s fine but it gives the dps a global to interrupt the go

Intervene death coil stun mage whatever.

[minor cape]

i see

what do we do

if one guy is stealth?

for example dps is stealth

do we open healer?

[fierce laurel]

Yes. Or fake open.

Also you can sap into ring+bomb

[minor cape]

how does that work

why do i bomb healer

[fierce laurel]

So the rogue or feral can’t stun you from outside the ring.

[minor cape]

true true

one last question

what do i do if we get revealed

[fierce laurel]

Go

[minor cape]

nice

[fierce laurel]

You can gouge dps cs healer go dps. Or skip the gouge.

[minor cape]

oh also wanted to ask about rdruid, is it the matchup where i blind him first go?

[fierce laurel]

Yeah that’s usually best. Or you can bomb ring open the dps.

[minor cape]

nice

thanks for help

will try tommorow

cause ive been doing it all wrong

[fierce laurel]

Kidneys on Druid are most common because you’re mage might have to ring instead of poly

[minor cape]

so i can do a cheap shot go

on dps

and kidney rdruid

i see

[fierce laurel]

You’d kidney first but yes.

[minor cape]

cool thank you

[harsh widget]

hey, does anyone know if this is intended that set pieces cant be upgraded?

[jolly sierra]

is my idea or allies are receiving more win points in bg than horde with same base/orbs difference?

[lucid citrus]

They probably have enlistment bonus

[jolly sierra]

more progress point i say, to win

[lucid citrus]

Ohh

[jolly sierra]

wtf a rog here just opened me w cheap shot and vanished in the bg

[lucid citrus]

BG things lol

[jolly sierra]

yep

[cosmic kettle]

Does anyone have any tips on survivability as sin in solo. I get shit on every single time i come out. If im defensive, no pressure, if im offensive, literally dead in a leg sweep even if i pre feint.

[jolly sierra]

track enemy cds, dot up the 2 dps and run a lot

sap the heal a lot too

[cosmic kettle]

cries in mongodps charging in

[jolly sierra]

if u kidney a dps, is melee and dont trinket disarm in the last milesecond

so he is useless

[cosmic kettle]

No i meant my team

charging in so i cant sap.

lol

[jolly sierra]

ah sure

are u using elusiveness?

[cosmic kettle]

Yea

Even pre-feint, If im caught out in the open in a stun, its GG

Should I just play defensive more

I guess its situational

[jolly sierra]

instatrinket if is a warrior

and toss stormbolt

also, are u opening w garrote in melees or kidney?

[cosmic kettle]

I'm more just ranting, and hoping someone throws in some crucial advice im missing. It's frustrating having every other melee churning out 1-2m damage and killing me before even getting 600k out

[jolly sierra]

do u have a record of urself?

[cosmic kettle]

I think thats my next step

record my games

and see what im doing wrong

I have to be missing something

[brisk solar]

Hey all, why are assassination rogues in pvp not go for 2 drakebreaker's shivs. almost all of the top 10 are going one crimson and one drakebreaker

[jolly sierra]

we cant give u generic advice without it or any context

[cosmic kettle]

I know. Just a bit frustrated.

[proper heath]

You want Mainhand Ilvl over everything else. Drakebreaker is 421, and Cimson Glad is 424. You want the 424 on mainhand.

[brisk solar]

OKey ty

[fierce crystal]

U go drakebreak cuz of mastery

[brisk solar]

How big of an impact does agi have on say bleeds and deathmark? im currently using the on use trinket binded with my deathmark but i se alot of people going for the one with haste and chanshe to procc

[fierce crystal]

Since off hand dps doesnt matter much

[proper heath]

Agility has a huge impact.
On use trinket makes deathmark your "One shot" but the trinket has bad stats (Crit) and does nothing outside of pressing that trinket.
The Haste agi proc is better because it has better uptime, and gives haste which is a better stat overall for assassination.

Deathmark is strong enough as it is, you dont need to pair it with on use. You are trading "Overkill" for "Overall Pressure" which is what the haste agi proc trinket is.
TLDR - On Use is overkill and can be countered, Agi Proc cannot.

[jolly sierra]

u can use the on use honor trinket if u feel more comfortable tho

but our gamestyle is rot, so is better the proc one

[brisk solar]

Great writeout, i appreciate it alot

Im doing some RSS and can buy the on chanse trinket for that. but im also doing 2v2 with an MM and then i think the trinket i have now will be better to overkill as you put it:)

[graceful ravine]

Preference, I don’t play with ER

On murlok it’s split 50/50 between 7 cp vs ER

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah that’s what I’m seeing too

[plucky sage]

So I learned my lesson for not reading tooltips with a microscope.. kept seeing rogues vanish with all bleeds up and still able to get a sap off.. and couldn't for the life of me understand how that was possible with every dot under the sun blasting away

I finally read the last part of the tooltip that says damage won't break vanish for 3s..

Life changing moment for me

[pale storm]

Also if Sub they can take the talent to gain a shield when vanishing

[warm lance]

And even if the rogue is in combat.. Sap works if they have Shadow dance or vanish+subterfuge

[plucky sage]

yeah i saw that one, for talents I read the tooltips because I don't know them all out the gate, but for vanish I just took it for granted that I knew it was a restealth and didn't look beyond that.

[plucky sage]

Yeah I knew that part but I always vanished and insta broke it thinking it would break from bleeds anyway, knowing I have 3 extra seconds before I need to start the subterfuge window is big

[warm lance]

there is a couple second leeway no matter what nowdays

Independent of Sub

[plucky sage]

What do you mean?

The leeway is either from subt or from that 3s stealth break immunity granted by vanish itself. That thing I didn't know about and just learned tonight.

[warm lance]

Vanish doesnt break instantly from damage in current WoW, no matter the spec

Theres a 2-3(?) ish second leeway

And the Sub shield just extends it even more

[plucky sage]

^^

This is what I was talking about, I didn't know that until tonight when I actually read the tooltip fully.

[proper heath]

Imagine

actually reading tooltips.

It's new Tech for sure.

[warm lance]

Its new shit

[proper heath]

It's next level. Gamechanger. Some would say.

I didn't say it, but I know people who said it.

[warm lance]

But

do those ppl press T to autorun

[proper heath]

Not only does that man Autorun during combat, he also uses an important keybind like T to do it.

Thats the "2 birds with one stone" of shooting urself in the foot.

[warm lance]

Still higher rating than 80% of the ppl here

[proper heath]

I mean you're competing with people who dont read tooltips.

Calm down.

the bar is low 😄 Kappa

[fierce laurel]

What’s your opener. Cs evis er sectec cs pumps.

[graceful ravine]

I’m a sub duel cheese enjoyer so don’t take my preferences seriously 🫣

[plucky sage]

I called it a Life-changer in fact

Thanks for the sarcastic remarks implying I'm a complete mongoloid

[pale storm]

What is the duel cheese?

[proper heath]

If you were playing WOTLK , vanish would break to dots instantly. So you're lucky ur playing in the new era.

[proper heath]

It's when you and a block of cheese 1v1.

[plucky sage]

I know it seems silly but honestly is it so crazy that I didn't bother reading that tooltip

[graceful ravine]

I’ll prob be hard stuck 2500-2700 as sub cheese but that’s fine with me

It’s a diff play style but it’s fun (for me)

[plucky sage]

played since vanilla, but not rogue

but still always knew what vanish did so didn't realise it had changed

thus never read the tooltip and was confused. Until today

[proper heath]

theres been alot of quality of life changes for rogue since BC and wrath. It's why I'm always confused why people want to play classic.
I've never looked at my Iphone 13 and thought... Man I want the Iphone 4 again. Before all the upgrades...

[plucky sage]

Tell me about it

I have a friend from uni who I played vanilla, tbc, wotlk with

he is playing classic wrath all day every day, trying to convince me to switch to that

I'm like, "fuck off man, we've done all that shit, why would I want to do it again?"

I just don't get the appeal

[proper heath]

It's not that I dont like wrath. But we've had over a decade of REAL IMPROVEMENTS since then.

[jolly sierra]

people thinks they will revive their experience from 10+ years ago

[pale storm]

I just wanted to know what you are doing, dueling dps when low and off stun Dr for CB sec tech?

[proper heath]

In wrath ... ur vanish broke instantly.

[jolly sierra]

but they don't get is not the same shit

they will never be back 10 years ago again, no in mentality, not in playstyle

[graceful ravine]

Baiting their trinket then killing them in a duel with all your cds up

[jolly sierra]

in those ages shit tier memes and chuck norris were a thing

[pale storm]

Nice, that sounds fun af

[proper heath]

Mabe it's different for PVe. but for PVP, Theres been many many many improvements. Thats why Dragonflight is AWC and not wrath. Because it's better.

[graceful ravine]

You can look up my name and links, I’ve posted plenty of clips herebefore

[jolly sierra]

now we have chad and nonsense memes which are funny

[plucky sage]

I didn't hate wrath either but as you say, all these improvements over the years have added up. And I've played wrath. For me, especially with Dragonflight, new talent trees, new raid, new classes, new races. Rewinding is just a waste of time. If I had 200 days played in original wrath, I can't imagine repeating that with new characters and the experience of modern wow to contrast it with.

[proper heath]

But also now, as gamers. We have time for dragonflight, our real lives, and mabe 1 or 2 more AAA games. Like to go back to a time where the game is designed to waste our time with long grinds and slow leveling.

My eyes!

Aint no one got time for that (Except streamers)

[plucky sage]

Precisely

It's so satisfying be able to just do weekly essentials and ignore all the rest (as a PVEr). PVP is even better, you can literally just PVP now and not care about a single other thing

Live life, do whatever you gotta do, come home after work and queue up a couple shuffle games, netflix with the gf, rinse and repeat

[proper heath]

Read some tooltips in between all that. Have mind Blown. It's a good day.

[gleaming pawn]

Blasphemy

[proper heath]

It's not cheese if it consistently works btw.

[graceful ravine]

Slow stealth speed and buggy vanish is the sole reason I hated tbc and wotlk

Very frustrating

[proper heath]

OMG I forgot we used to be slower than normal movement speed