pvp

[potent pivot]

in comparison

[tribal bay]

yeah for sure raid achievements do feel much better

[uneven grove]

killing last boss mythic is dope

[potent pivot]

raid achievements are hype af

[tribal bay]

winning arenas also feels goodf

going 6-0

[potent pivot]

doesn't matter if you're world 1st or world 1k

[tribal bay]

is godly

[potent pivot]

even doing something like mage tower is kinda hype

if it's challenging

[uneven grove]

https://clips.twitch.tv/BraveElatedStorkBigBrother-0zUjDAEQGOtuLo4M

have u seen this?

[potent pivot]

lmfao live on awc

dude is cracked

[spring bough]

i see some top outlaw rogues arent using float like a butterfly... im kinda hesitant to take that off but id really like 2/2 CTO lol

[graceful ravine]

Isn’t it crazy there’s such a big reaction when GG beats LG

But when where’s Gordy wins

No one reacts

[potent pivot]

cto is rarely taken in pvp tbh

i know it's a strong talent, idk if it's just the RNG nature of the talent itself or if it's the loss of other talents but yeah

[spring bough]

i see it coming around a little bit some of the top guys picking it up. i feel like 2/2 is needed if youre gonna rock it though just cant find a good combo to get that lol

yeah feel like i lose too much to get 2/2 and even 1/2 sometimes lol

havent seen any1 drop greenskin yet to go full cto feel like greenskin has too much dmg behind it

[sharp sierra]

Anyone know why omnicd every now and then messed up my UI and if i press ignore i can’t use some of my action keys. And if i disable it disables everything.

Reinstalled multiple times.

[potent pivot]

omniCD and DisableLOCCD both have the same issue, i'm not 100% sure what's causing it

it's definitely changing your CD numbers on your actionbars though

something to do with the new actionbars and ui in general maybe

but you can run omnicd without that function and be fine, i think?

[potent pivot]

yeah greenskin is just guaranteed dmg where cto isn't necessarily

[spring bough]

60k + crits are nice lol

[slim iron]

Is there a PvP gear prio list for Sin? I have quite a bit of blood tokens and honor and I'm trying to make sure I get the most value of what I'm sitting on.

I also have a converted PvE 4 set already if that helps?

[potent pivot]

like what to buy first?

[slim iron]

Yeah!

[potent pivot]

main hand dagger (conquest or honor) > other gear > jewelry > trinkets

[slim iron]

Good enough, Vers > Mastery > Haste?

[potent pivot]

you should buy the crafted pvp gear

boots and helm

[slim iron]

Why's that?

[potent pivot]

easy 424 pvp ilvl slots

[slim iron]

Dope

[potent pivot]

they require Sparks of Ingenuity

[slim iron]

Less dope, haha

I'll wish list those

[potent pivot]

but it doesn't really matter what ilvl you get them crafted at as they're always 424pvp ilvl

the boots are BiS because they have a CC reduction emellishment

[slim iron]

My issue is having spent 6 sparks on PvE gear and no drop this week

[potent pivot]

yeah that is an oof

if you have a good ilvl lariat you can use it in the mean time

maybe recraft it to vers/mast (doesn't require a spark)

if it isn't a hassle

[slim iron]

I'll consider it, it's Crit/Vers atm

[potent pivot]

have you done the wpvp weeklies

[slim iron]

I do have this I could add slots to

[potent pivot]

you can use their reward to upgrade bloody token gear to 421 ilvl

[slim iron]

I know it won't bump but was considering stats

[slim iron]

No but I still could

[potent pivot]

yeah start doing em

you need 2 or 3 weeks of that weekly

for offhand dagger, wrist and belt

[slim iron]

Appreciate the info. I'm sitting on some Trophies of Strife I'll see what I can do with it

[potent pivot]

other than those 3 items you just use it to supplement whatever conq gear you're missing

if you check the #pvp-faq there's a bis list

[slim iron]

I have enough Conquest for Main hand dagger should I make that my first purchase?

Oh shoot ok

[potent pivot]

it has a couple diff options as well

[potent pivot]

how much of everything do you have

strife/conq/honor/etc

[slim iron]

7 Trophies

[potent pivot]

is 7 enough for wrist and belt i don't remember

[slim iron]

I do already have some pvp gear but it's Crit.Vers

Which vendor is that one?

[potent pivot]

it's the upgrade npc

[slim iron]

Lemme see

[potent pivot]

you gotta have the bloody token pieces to upgrade

just don't equip or upgrade em yet

should be able to buy it with tokens and check the upgrade costs

then resell

[slim iron]

Funny those are some of the pieces I dont have 2 mins

5 per

So I could do either

Belt seems like it gives more stats?

[potent pivot]

yeah but you could also do dagger then use conq for something else

[slim iron]

For trophies?

[potent pivot]

but conq dagger and drake belt

are prob best bet

[slim iron]

Coolio

Guess you cant refund bloody tokens

All g though at least its one less mog piece to chase

[potent pivot]

you can also catalyst conquest gear later for 424 pvp ilvl tier pieces

[potent pivot]

oh, you can't?

you'll need the wrist and belt either way

[slim iron]

Lol no. But like I said its no worries.

I'll slap em on

[potent pivot]

if you have any pve items that are above 408 or 411 (until you get more conq/trophy gear)

and have good stats, then you can use em too

but having vers is important

[slim iron]

Yeah aiming for 30ish % right?

[potent pivot]

yeah but more doesn't hurt either

you want vers on basically every piece besides your tier pieces (unless they have it, obv)

[slim iron]

Okie dokie

For rings do I go Vers/Mast as well? With vers enchants i'd imagine

[potent pivot]

yeah i'd go for vers/mast and haste/vers conq rings, or honor for now if you can

and yeah until you get a good amount of vers you should probably ench vers

[slim iron]

I have these, should I still look at Conq rings?

[potent pivot]

for conq dagger and trophy dagger you want 2x sophic devotion

[slim iron]

Those are my biggest Vers rings

[potent pivot]

i'd still go for honor rings over those imo

diurna's is prob ok if ur gonna use flaring cowl (for rn)

it's a little extra dam

nerfed in pvp iirc

[slim iron]

Cool, two less slots to worry

[potent pivot]

what stats are on cowl

[slim iron]

DPS is DPS haha I'll take what I can get while I get used to it

Haste/Mast

[potent pivot]

oof

[slim iron]

So I should look for replacement on Seal and Cowl then

[potent pivot]

it's probably not the worst thing ever atm but i'd look at replacing em sooner than later

[slim iron]

Got it

So that puts me here

Oh I upgraded sash so thats a 421 now

Offhand is my Crit.Vers dagger but my 2nd highest iLvl weapon unless I should buy a Conq one

[potent pivot]

get sophic for conq dagger, get honor helm/rings and you're chillin

[slim iron]

Awesome, thanks so much for the help!

[potent pivot]

nah bis offhand is trophy offhand for vers/mast

no worries

offhand is just generally less valued in pvp than pve

you're not really sitting on a raid boss for 4+ minutes etc so auto attacks and mutilates are less valued

[slim iron]

Gotcha that makes sense

So drop both rings I have and go for conq rings for now

Plus helm since cowl does nothing without seal

[potent pivot]

yeah and conq neck at some point as well

[slim iron]

Am I able to equip two of the same ring in pvp?

Since theres a vers mast one

[potent pivot]

nope

[slim iron]

Lame

Do my stats change once I'm instanced into pvp content or are they the same as when I'm out and about?

Do I care more about the 4 tier Drake bonus or just the 2 set?

[potent pivot]

pvp gear scales up in pvp combat

the drake bonus only works in world pvp

[slim iron]

Ahhhh

[river hare]

Do you guys think sub can compete against sin right now? cuz i struggle more with sin than sub

[dim minnow]

anyone able to link me talent build for assa solo shuffle

[spring bough]

i hate arena sometimes. warrior goes "that priest is dogwater" then the mage on the enemy team crit him for 235k and one shot him

why do people gotta say that mid game lol

[potent pivot]

yes

[potent pivot]

#pvp-faq

[tribal bay]

craft a 418 signet

if you want double same stat ring

[potent pivot]

he has 0 sparks

and needs to craft other things before signet

[tribal bay]

oh right

sadge

im in the same boat

might make a 2nd rogue

[potent pivot]

i don't think signet is super big on assa anyway

just a lil bonus

my alt rogue has become my main this season

need to gear the other

[tribal bay]

yea my rogues just used all its sparks on pve shit

[potent pivot]

cba race changing

[tribal bay]

i prefer pvp alts as well coz of character specific binds and UI

swapping between them on my rogue is annoying sometimes

[potent pivot]

there are ways to have like fully customized profiles

to swap between for pve/pvp

add on profile manager add on for your add ons

[tribal bay]

wait

so that like takes away all my pve weakauras off my screen

and all that annoying shit

i just manually disable heaps of stuff atm its tilting

[potent pivot]

WAs you can just make not load in arena

[tribal bay]

true

[potent pivot]

or only load in arena

etc

should be easy

idk if you use plater or elv

[tribal bay]

plater

[potent pivot]

both of those should have profiles as well

[tribal bay]

have to swap them too

between profiles

my pve profile is ass in arena

and vice versa

[slim iron]

Thank you!

I saw the advice after

Thanks

[potent pivot]

yeah i don't think you can get around manually swapping some stuff like plater profiles

[potent pivot]

(it costs a spark tho)

[slim iron]

Ye I saw

[potent pivot]

kk

sweet

[spring bough]

finally hit that 424 avg pvp ilvl feels nice to have all the slots done. def grinding out a crit vers chest to get rid of this tier crit mastery bs

[potent pivot]

for which spec?

[spring bough]

outlaw all the way lol

[potent pivot]

most people use the tier chest

well ig for off piece it's kinda between crafted helm or conq chest

crafted helm kinda free 1% dam tho

[spring bough]

i might wait to go back to crafted helm. got a tier helm w socket on it and just wait to grind out the socket add item

[potent pivot]

i want to say a socket is worth less than 1%

but if you also factor in the vers on chest it's kinda negligible

so prob just w/e makes you feel better at that point

[loud sable]

what an amazing game

[jolly sierra]

u had way too few MMR tho

once it happened to me too, u need to win 4+

[loud sable]

it gives 6-7 points for 4 win

😄

fell down there from 1750

i will play with my dk ...

really fu.. this

just pop cds and win easy peasy

[jolly sierra]

yeah, then was a shuffle downfall

most of us had it, just try again another day

w the rog i dropped hard to 1400

then took back every CR i've lost, but after calming down xdd

[loud sable]

i can increase 100 points after 5-6 matches but losing them in 2 matches 😄

and im sub rogue

:/

[jolly sierra]

try in assa tho

[loud sable]

cannot carry

[jolly sierra]

if u are too struggled

[loud sable]

i hate assa

[jolly sierra]

what about a coach?

[loud sable]

thank you but i will try my chance with dk 🙂

[jolly sierra]

kk

[warm lance]

Weak

[bronze coyote]

Hey guys just starting out in pvp! is it worth keeping 4pc with avg ilvl 395 for the gear or going pvp pieces?

[waxen meteor]

Homies is there a population site for wow servers?

In term of alliance vs horde as well

[minor cape]

https://www.wowprogress.com/realms/rank/eu

change link to /us for US

[tall elbow]

Hello, i new to rogue pvp, having a lot of fun playing it. Any coach to help me improve? At least some macros 😅.

[severe hazel]

guys how come most ppl i see use the elemental lariat neck? bis list suggest a normal pvp neck (which is also way cheaper) ?

[nocturne rapids]

o no it doesnt anymore

@potent pivot explain urself >:)

[severe hazel]

is there a way to see the stats from a 424 pvp neck?

havent found it online

only the base form

[nocturne rapids]

uh

one se

okie heres what i was able to find

[warm lance]

Theres 3 different necks, for haste crit and mast

[wanton breach]

these are the stats for the haste neck at 424, if you have the conquest for it you can buy the item, hit the pvp dummy to look at teh stats and refund the conquest (obviously without equipping it - it changes ilvl in your bags too)

same numbers for crit and mastery instead of haste

[potent pivot]

Gear list suggests two options

[potent pivot]

[severe hazel]

@wanton breach thanks dude

@potent pivot maybe im tripping but the sub gear faq only mentions Crimson Gladiator's Amulet

[potent pivot]

Yeah because way less sub players used lariat

[severe hazel]

ok thanks!

[fierce laurel]

Plus lariat gives you more mastery as most players are willing to trade verse for mastery. Even if their total stat lines are slightly lower.

[unborn portal]

not gonna lie switching to NE has been

bussin'

[copper gazelle]

gotta do a lot of pve for a high ilvl lariat though..

[fierce laurel]

Or a lot of games above 2400

[potent pivot]

[spark egret]

Disable racials in pvp

Ty

[winged pike]

tf how did u get red name

this guy rose up over us proletariat

[jolly sierra]

he paid for ravenholdt onlyfans

[unborn portal]

https://tenor.com/view/darkfantasykanyewest-gif-25617862

[neon slate]

brand new alts will still have the catalyst charges you farmed on your main right?

[fierce laurel]

What’s the DK freedom called?

[tawny kestrel]

either wraith walk or deaths advance

[fierce crystal]

Death is the one they can move out of spear etc With

And the floating one is wraith

[fierce laurel]

Well that’s baseline?

Damn. No wonder shiv doesn’t do anything

[jolly sierra]

does shiv goes dispelled w that?

[warm lance]

It ignores movement speed reductions

More or less

You can avoid knockbacks and such with it too

[plucky sage]

No it's not a dispel, just immune to slow. And they have 2 charges usually

[jolly sierra]

so they will be slowed after death's advance ends?

[sharp sierra]

So do i just take the ring since i have infurious helm?

Right now just have 2 honor rings.

[fierce crystal]

If ur capable of getting liariat 418 take head imo

[jolly sierra]

what about a socket?

next week conquest cap is lifted

[fierce laurel]

This week I think

[jolly sierra]

im in eu

right, is for 14th

[potent pivot]

Do you have 4p?

[sharp sierra]

4 piece vault? No that would be first

[potent pivot]

If you don’t have tier set you should take the helm

You need tier set ASAP

[sharp sierra]

I had vault shoulders but i think because i used a raid piece to turn them into a vault piece it didn’t have a pvp ilvl on it

[potent pivot]

That doesn’t matter as long as they are decent ilvl

[sharp sierra]

Okay, thanks. So i guess the soonest i can get it is in 3 weeks now? Lol

[potent pivot]

You should be using the catalyst

[sharp sierra]

It was like 382 i think i used a raid finder shoulder to turn it into vault shoulder.

[potent pivot]

To turn conquest gear into tier

[potent pivot]

Oh that’s low af

[sharp sierra]

Okay, thanks.

Yeah

[potent pivot]

Did they not introduce catalyst catch up today?

I heard a rumor they were

[sharp sierra]

I can use the catalyst once a week right when i get the trophies

[potent pivot]

What

What trophies

The trophies of strife quest and the creation catalyst quests are two different things

[sharp sierra]

Oh okay. Sorry, still putting it all together.

Never tried a glad piece in there so wasn’t sure of the currency to exchange conq for a vault piece. So thought i could only use it once a week when i got the 7 strife from the quest.

[potent pivot]

No worries. The two quests aren’t connected in any way, trophies are only for upgrading drakebreaker gear from 408 to 421

The creation catalyst is a different thing used for turning non Vault Delver’s armor into Vault Delvers armor

If you catalyst conquest gear it turns into 424 pvp ilvl Vault Delver’s pieces

So you have to do both quests each week, for different things

[fierce laurel]

It also works on non set pieces so you can turn boots into verse mastery.

[compact lava]

How do you figure out what opener to use?

[minor cape]

didnt realise that one

notrickz, do you think 5% stun reduction is any good compared to mastery?

[potent pivot]

Yeah the cc reduction boots are bis

[minor cape]

isnt it like

[potent pivot]

I don’t think there’s anyone really arguing that

[minor cape]

less than a third of a kidney shot

reduction

third of a second

[fierce laurel]

I wouldn’t only consider it if you’re orc.

Would*

[potent pivot]

Any cc reduction is extremely powerful

[minor cape]

true true

just had to do my calculations

and yeah third of a second is pretty good

[crimson cape]

Is it worth using 1 piece LFR teir when the other 3 are 424 PvP scaling teir?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[sharp sierra]

Thank you

[summer plinth]

is playing solo shuffle on reset day just a bad idea or something?

[jolly sierra]

nah, is good

people is gathering stuff for 4set

so if u are decently geared is ur moment

[summer plinth]

well, i just got trolled by healers 2 games in a row

😦

Must have been bad luck

[jolly sierra]

healers which troll me the most are hpals either by bad performance or low gearing

[summer plinth]

this was a disc priest who said "i dont heal rogues" and then a mw monk who, when i would try to retreat to him at the pillar for healing would literally run to the opposite side of the map and leave me all alone 1 v 3

[jolly sierra]

wtf

u should report the disc

[summer plinth]

i did

[jolly sierra]

good job, hope got banned

[summer plinth]

and when I asked the MW monk why he was leaving me all alone he told me to stop LoSing him

[jolly sierra]

lol

i wanna play more RN, but im sweating like a pig and the computer is burning hard

so i won't play ranked more than the one just played

[summer plinth]

Caused me to go 2-4 both rounds and tanked my rating. Luckily my lunch hour for work was up so i logged off but felt bad :/

[jolly sierra]

think u won't play in lunch hours xdd

u can deal w work stress

and yeah, maybe was a bad streak

everyone here pass for that

[summer plinth]

Finished last week at 1653 thought I might finally hit my 1800 goal and then just struggled

[jolly sierra]

i dropped to 1k4 a week ago

[summer plinth]

😦

[jolly sierra]

then did my best to get back my CR

and worked

[summer plinth]

I think I'm just going to go back to pushing my warrior. I took like a week break from my rogue and thought with a bit of a reset it would go better and I could hit 1800. Might just delete this rogue so I'm not tempted to log on it. lol

Sub is a lot hard to play well than assa right?

[wicked rampart]

It's generally considered to have the higher skill ceiling in addition to being less useful at lower skill levels relative to sin, yea

Plus it's just a very different playstyle

Setup vs zugzug

[summer plinth]

makes sense. was thinking about trying a different spec but i dont think that will go well xD

[sharp sierra]

I can’t wait until sub is god tier again lol. Sub was so fun back in BC wotlk

[little sequoia]

Its good rn

It's just not 1 shotting people like it was

Because it was legitimately unfair

[toxic yarrow]

was it though? xd

[graceful ravine]

wish there was a poll somewhere for the most hated class

rogues probably near the top

[toxic yarrow]

rogues lol

hunters for me

i would say demon hunters too

i hated rogues so much i made one to stop them

[jolly sierra]

im watching a guildie losing constantly as sub in shuffle, he is starting fresh

can u, as sub, give him advice?

[graceful ravine]

press N

click assa

press confirm

[jolly sierra]

eksdee

what if he wanna go sub only?

im telling him to use sectech

and don't overthink, just full cc and troll healer and go monke dps

but AAAAAAAAAA, watched his game and literal had a dpriest which bragged about being proud being in 1k2

[turbid rose]

I just try to Sap healer cheap shot > SD SB Symbols > Cold blood ST > and then SS Evisc on kill target. I'm also probably not the best to give advice on it lol.

[jolly sierra]

dont worry

ill check his gearing and talents

alright

he has no tier

i'll ask him to get asap

[graceful ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKtKrHD0oo4&ab_channel=Venruki

why he has the feint icon tho and kick

[jolly sierra]

maybe cuz he thinks that is the op shit about rog

[graceful ravine]

feint is the best defensive in the entire game

[jolly sierra]

I KNEW IT THIS SHIT OVERHEATED AND STARTED HIBERNATING

[graceful ravine]

LOL

[jolly sierra]

no ranked for today

is fine he is a R1

but wtf

[graceful ravine]

should prepare another class for season 2

theres a 100% chance rogues will be B tier

[jolly sierra]

F

or maybe not, rog is always viable in at least 1 spec every season

[graceful ravine]

rogue also meta in m+ and raids too

so dont expect buffs anytime soon..

[spark egret]

venruki is just bad

3s are irrelevant stop balancing for AWC

just adapt to the meta and find an answer to rogues

it's simple

deathmark isn't even an ability

because 2 specs remove it and everyone playing that stupid racial

he needs to be removed from youtube

seeing his stupid face and clips

is getting annoying

it's not just rogue

it's every fucking class is OP to him outside of the ones he's playing

[jolly sierra]

cdew be like

[spark egret]

can I pay you to level for me

wdym

how do you level now

apparently you can do primal storms make a raid group and tag mobs

[potent pivot]

I heard something about 60-70 in 25 mins a couple days ago

Pretty insane

[spark egret]

yeah blizz just

buff shit

so we can level alts

[spark egret]

I remember when you could go 50-60 with BC timewalking in like 4 dungeons in SL

then blizz hotfixed it

[potent pivot]

I came into s1 SL like in the middle of 9.0

Few weeks before 9.0.5

They buffed assa and it was over with

[graceful ravine]

i think fire mage boomkin will be really strong later on

theyre in the gutter atm

it sucks that rogue is meta but 3s is so deflated and i cant get the mount

[potent pivot]

I don’t think they really base their tuning on flip flopping

[graceful ravine]

hard stuck 2.2 - 2.3 for 3 weeks now

zero inflation

[potent pivot]

Isn’t boomie somewhat ok atm

Just very under represented

[graceful ravine]

blizz has a history of buffing weak specs, esp into the next season

and "slightly" nerfing the top spec at the same time

[potent pivot]

Wasn’t rogue good like all of SL

[graceful ravine]

no

outlaw rogues wasnt a thing in pvp until s3

[potent pivot]

I can’t remember a single time rogue was bad in SL

[graceful ravine]

s1 they were decent, not meta but just ok

[potent pivot]

I’m not taking about being OP

Like getting r1 on rogue was possible every season

Rogue was viable etc

[graceful ravine]

ived play rogue since bfa s1, outlaw wasnt even spoken as an option in pvp until s3 SL

well by your definition every spec in existence is viable. But there are some better than others

[spark egret]

just put the mount in solo shuffle

no one playing 3s anymore

[potent pivot]

Not necessarily no

A spec can be bad enough to where there’s 0 r1s on it

[graceful ravine]

i dont think the "there is 1 person that got r1 as XYZ spec" therefore it is viable, is a good argument

[potent pivot]

So what are you saying then

[graceful ravine]

the law of big numbers, there will always be at least 1 die-hard fan that play the spec regardless

youre using the idea of one person getting r1 and then blanket say the spec has no problems because this person got it,

[potent pivot]

Bruh

I’m not

1. Multiple people did

2. There are specs that can’t hit r1 at all sometimes

[graceful ravine]

like what?

[potent pivot]

Like I don’t get what your actual point is idk

Something isn’t OP so it’s not good?

Trying to understand

[graceful ravine]

good or bad is relative to the other specs thats available

its impossible for a F tier spec to be "Good" because there is a few players playing it and getting r1

if a spec is genuinely bad, just because a few selected individuals made it work, does not mean its suddenly a good spec

so back to my original point, outlaw was a genuine bad spec for 4+ yrs before SL s3 came along

[potent pivot]

Tiers

[potent pivot]

Like this point I can kinda agree with yes

If you go back and look at specs that show up in r1 range there are multiple instances of some being left out

I guess is my point

But like right now I would not call outlaw bad

[graceful ravine]

outlaw is bad, relative to the other specs that are available

[potent pivot]

It’s definitely worse ye

But not to an unplayable point

[graceful ravine]

depends how you define unplayable

[potent pivot]

9.0 assassination

[graceful ravine]

9.0 outlaw was more unplayable than 9.0 assa

[chrome schooner]

You guys sometimes say Rogue, and sometimes quote a spec

[hoary bear]

hi im new to this channel and pretty new to wow, I recorded some solo shuffle matches as assa rogue, is anyone willing to give me some feedback?

[potent pivot]

Yeah earlier I was saying rogue was decent all of SL meaning there was usually one decent spec

[potent pivot]

Sure you can DM them to me or just post here for everyone to take a look

[graceful ravine]

i named outlaw because that was the spec most ppl cried about in shadowlands

[summer plinth]

I did a solo shuffle earlier that was me (assa rogue) DH, arms, unholy DK. The DH did 12M, arms 10M, DK 9M, and me 6M damage? that seems so low...i wish I could figure out how to get my damage up :/

[graceful ravine]

entire awc running outlaw or dbl outlaw teams,

[chrome schooner]

Outlaw was HORRIBLE in SL S1, actually unviable until 9.1 which was S2, it became really insane already in S2 but people slept on it until the very end, and it was officially broken in S3 & S4. Sub was insane in S1 esp after 9.0.5, insane again in S2, insane again in S3, and still great in S4 but not such a good fit in the meta. Assa was relatively bad every single SL season although it got buffed a few times. The one moment it was good was when both Sepsis and the 4P weren't nerfed in early S3.

[graceful ravine]

that didnt really happen in other seasons

[potent pivot]

Before 9.0.5? I don’t think so

[graceful ravine]

outlaw didnt exist as a spec in pvp

[potent pivot]

Were the major aura tuning buffs assa got pve only?

[graceful ravine]

it was outrageous to even ask about outlaw pvp in this channel back then

[potent pivot]

Assa had to be buffed by like 48% or something insane

[chrome schooner]

The buffs to Assa were both PvP and PvE all SL long. Still the spec wasn't great, just ... playable even after the 9.0.5 buffs. What changed was 9.1 with Hemotoxin and Dismantle, but then again Sub was so superior, and Outlaw as well although people didn't know it yet, that playing it was rather useless if you could play the other two specs and wanted to play the best of the three

It just came from too far. They even had to do a major buff pass to most of the spec legendaries as they were so horrible in every content

[graceful ravine]

tldr - blizz tunes specs every season to keep it fresh

[potent pivot]

Outlaw seemed fine to me

[chrome schooner]

Outlaw in PvP wasn't a thing before 9.1

Float like a Butterfly, and most importantly, Enduring Brawler didn't even exist, and all the buffs that were implemented when these talents were introduced were, well, not implemented yet. SS buffs, overall armor nerf for everyone buffing Outlaw, etc etc

9.1 was truly the new start for that spec, before then it was really unplayable

[potent pivot]

Yeah I think I can agree with mostly everything you’ve said

I barely got to pvp in SL so maybe it just seemed fine to me at the time

[wise breach]

I believe Holinka mentioned in the interview with Bajheera a while back that they plan to do a similar PvP talent pass in 10.1

Will be interesting to see what happens

[graceful ravine]

my guess is that outlaw will be buffed and assa nerfed

[chrome schooner]

The thing is Outlaw isn't far from being really good

It's just a spec that has no big burst as the game likes right now, but if you play it right with one of the two actually good builds, it does rather well

[potent pivot]

Yeah I don’t think outlaw is in an unplayable state rn

It’s worse yes but it isn’t completely trash

[graceful ravine]

if i had to guess, there is a 200-300 CR difference in rated arenas between the two

[chrome schooner]

I mean

[graceful ravine]

which is more in shuffle

[chrome schooner]

Popularity is a factor, people playing the best spec of the class when the other is also good but just not as good is another, etc etc

[potent pivot]

It’s about that in shuffle iirc

[hoary bear]

can someone tell me (for pvp) what haste percentage I should be aiming at? 5-10%? because now I got more crit but I read that I need at least 5-10% haste

[graceful ravine]

I would drop 200-300 rating right now if I were to queue outlaw in 3s, whether that is considered "unplayable" is subjective to the player

[chrome schooner]

And yeah, Shuffle is another thing too, what you want there is insanely bursty damage, which is THE thing Outlaw doesn't really has. It needs setup time, so if you're ready to pump when people have already pressed their entire spellbooks and their neighbors, it doesn't feel amazing. But still you can go high as Outlaw in Shuffle if you bother, you're hard to kill, you have good CC, great sustained damage, it's ... enough

[potent pivot]

Don’t worry about aiming for a certain amount of stats besides getting your vers to 30%+ just check the gear guide in #pvp-faq or check murlok.io

[graceful ravine]

any outlaw thats 2.7k in shuffle is probably a way better rogue than me at 3k

[chrome schooner]

Who knows

[graceful ravine]

im climbing on easy mode

theyre doing it hard mode

[hoary bear]

ok ty 🙂

I got vers at 27%

[potent pivot]

Yeah just focus on getting the proper gear pieces listed

[hoary bear]

yeah I think I got most of it 😉

[potent pivot]

You should end up with more vers than that in the end

[potent pivot]

A lot of people are just one tricks I suppose

Lots of die hard one tricks in basically every spec in the game

[unborn portal]

[waxen meteor]

I think i am just gonna buy the ring again before the bug is fixed

[plucky sage]

I can't for the life of me succeed in PvP as outlaw. The second I hop onto assass I can win games and do damage. I'm an outlaw main for PVE but for PvP there's just no shot, I suck at it.

[neon slate]

my damage on outlaw was always 4th in the lobby before i got 2piece but now as everyone is geared i feel like im kinda pumping

almost never first still but a respectable number now and ofc lots of cc

when do you guys think S2 is

[sharp sierra]

Is there anything i can do with this infurious helm? Now that i’ll be using the vault delvers

[neon slate]

why isn't it BIS to keep the helm and just do 4 piece in the other slots?

[sharp sierra]

People were saying it’s best to get the tier vaults as fast as possible and in my vault i only got the helm or conq rings

[neon slate]

oh i see. I might just keep the helm in the backpack if i were you in case it is bis

until someone in here says otherwise

[graceful ravine]

patch notes for 10.07

no rogue changes

be glad cos any change is 100% a nerf

[potent pivot]

people keep saying that but tbh with you i don't see it

[potent pivot]

yeah just hold onto it for later, once you have the rest of the tier set items you can switch back to it or something

[sharp sierra]

Smart, lol

[graceful ravine]

100-0 in 1.4 seconds

[potent pivot]

that's like 3 globals isn't it?

[graceful ravine]

how 3 100k chaos bolt lands in 1.4 seconds i have no idea

[potent pivot]

still because it's ridiculous dmg

like what makes them do 110k sometimes

and 20k others

all 3 of those are crits as well which is like

did they have a priest on their team?

maybe they stack haste and got pi

[summer plinth]

I am afraid for my rogue. I just went 6-0 and got to 1682 CR. Afraid my MMR is too high now for my skill

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't worry about it much, just play games

go harder, aim higher 😈

[potent pivot]

the more i look this makes less and less sense, chaos bolt has a cast time. even the procs have a cast time and still cost shards. i'm probably missing something, but this seems impossible lmao

[jolly sierra]

haha chaos bolt goes psh psh

[summer plinth]

I have found that pillar humping locks and just poking out to refresh bleeds on destro is apparently very annoying for them

[jolly sierra]

ofc

in BFA was like that

just pillar the chaos bolt and dark soul for that xp

[dusky flower]

just got back to the game after a brokenhand. seems like assas is the way these days?

[sharp sierra]

Trying to do catalyst quest and it says complete group content. So far i’ve killed like 5 things you need a group for and a world boss that needed a raid, and only the world boss said counted.

[jolly sierra]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-season-1-rated-pvp-rating-discussion-331468#comments

look

[worthy crag]

they said they had plans to make titles faction independent but I didnt think it would be as quick as this season

[jolly sierra]

me neither

[worthy crag]

good change though

their initial idea was to make even faction representation but all it did was make alliance cutoff higher due to better racials and most casuals flocking horde to aim for r1 at 150 lower rating

and stifled ally pop even more

[jolly sierra]

the thing caught me the attention was the inflation

[worthy crag]

ye sounds like it'll start inflating more going forward

[jolly sierra]

they said than will inflate artificially from week 10

[worthy crag]

all the unchained glads are shedding tears of joy

[jolly sierra]

KEK

that means that

the 1k6 player will be 1k9?

[worthy crag]

probably, I think a 300 rating inflation sounds reaasonable

what week are we in as of today

9?

[flint bolt]

yeah

[jolly sierra]

heh

prepare yourselves

(hope that means my paladin will reach 1k8 fkn gcd)

[dusky flower]

assas king atm? ans then sub over outlaw?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[dusky flower]

and i assume theres a fairly standard build by now?

[flint bolt]

Can anyone offer a TLDR/dummy priority rotation guide for assa? Currently driving the struggle bus... Or getting dragged by it

[jolly sierra]

murlok.io has the standard

[dusky flower]

yeah thats what i figured. didnt know if you discord dagger folk had something cooking that was different lol

[jolly sierra]

im using shiv build with exsanguinate right now

as a little difference

[jolly sierra]

if melee

mfd>kidney>garrote>rupture>shiv>echoing reprimand>envenom>mutilate>envenom

if caster

garrote>rupture>mfd>kidney>shiv>echoing reprimand>envenom>mutilate>envenom

[flint bolt]

perfect, thank you

[jolly sierra]

u welcome

[potent pivot]

you gotta do pvp/dungeons/raids and stuff

[potent pivot]

sub and assa are kinda equal at this point

[dusky flower]

word, ive got more then one rogue just trying to pick what to buy for gear on the true main

[potent pivot]

most people tend to think assa is just easier to get results with, just depends on the person

yeah you only really need a second rogue if you're going to gear for outlaw tbh

[dusky flower]

ive got a third just cause dark iron is my fav race by far LOL

[potent pivot]

[dark kernel]

Sub/Sin Rogues, are we dropping drakebreaker's OH for Crimson Glads? 3 ilvl dps but we lose mastery for crit

[jolly sierra]

crit is crap as assa

[dark kernel]

That's why Im debating

but the few ilvls of DPS goes into mutilate

maybe worth

[jolly sierra]

nope unless is in ur MH

[flint bolt]

The ilvl difference at that point for any class is overshadowed by stats for sure

[dark kernel]

I figured but wanted to toss it out

Feels good to be near full BIS, just need to focus on sockets and Outlaw gear

[jaunty mirage]

Assa is a bit more OP in the traditional sense and easier to play, but if everyone is being honest this is probably the closest in difficulty the two specs have ever been

[potent pivot]

depends a lot on the class tbh

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah

Some specs just go for max ilvl everything

[dusky flower]

i have a hard time getting into assas

[potent pivot]

while i agree with the latter statement, most people seem to say assa is easier

i don't think so either

but i've been playing all 3 for a while

[jaunty mirage]

Honestly at this point it’s almost dependent on the person

[flint bolt]

I think that comes down more to the person than the class personally, but I get what you're saying

[jaunty mirage]

Some people will find multi-dotting more difficult than ccing

[potent pivot]

i guess the true question is which is harder to learn, but this will vary from person to person

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah

I always tell people who are curious to try sub, it’s not as daunting as it seems

[potent pivot]

i just see a lot of people tell newcomers that assa is easier in here

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

sub usually requires a more basic understanding of strategy

[dusky flower]

i enjoy outlawa the most lol probs why i struggle on the best of days

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah I’d agree with that

[potent pivot]

but right now it's nothing but piss-random-goes

it's not truly set up based

[flint bolt]

I think sepsis SL assa was the easiest it ever was, maybe. I missed a lot of content after cata

[jaunty mirage]

Nah

[potent pivot]

kidney and tech off CD? go kidney someone and tech

[jaunty mirage]

Bfa assa was probably the easiest

[flint bolt]

Gotcha, i didn't play BFA.

[jaunty mirage]

SL assa was never truly king like bfa assa was

Bfa assa was super hard to kill on top of having fewer buttons to press compared to SL and DF

[potent pivot]

[jaunty mirage]

One of the bfa seasons RMD was basically unwinnable because all 3 of them were essentially unkillable

[potent pivot]

bfa assa played exsang did it not

[dusky flower]

so if im a 2.1 dh and a 1.8k rogue whats the spec to buy gear for lol

im also an unrated healer 😉

[jaunty mirage]

I don’t remember if people played exsang or not tbh

[potent pivot]

idr if bfa had shrouded suffoc

forgot which expac it originated from

[jaunty mirage]

Was more just that assa had massive sustain plus vendetta

But also assa was a terrible kill target

[potent pivot]

whichever one you're best at/like the most

[jolly sierra]

was an azerite trait

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah

[jolly sierra]

indeed, suffocated was added in bfa

[potent pivot]

i'd mostly recommend gearing vers/mast for assa/sub

but if you'd rather play outlaw, you should do what you prefer

[jaunty mirage]

^

Play the spec you have the most fun playing

[dusky flower]

truuue, not like im pushing for anything past the mog at this point lol

[jaunty mirage]

Will be easier to climb as you keep improving if it’s something you really enjoy

[dusky flower]

and i have alts i can play vers/mast on

[potent pivot]

also wasn't outlaw played in bfa at all?

like during awc

[jaunty mirage]

Nah

[dusky flower]

i love that stupid ass pistol

nah i dont think outlaw showed up till like s2 SL?

[jaunty mirage]

BFA was assa from start to finish

[potent pivot]

kk so that was assa

yeah

when was outlaw played i can't freakin remember

legion or wod

had to be one of em

[jaunty mirage]

I think maybe whaazz’s team played sub briefly during the spite trinket silliness

[potent pivot]

i remember seeing some old vods of whaazz playing outlaw from forever ago

[jaunty mirage]

Other than that assa was just so far ahead of the other two

[potent pivot]

in awc i mean

pika too iirc

[jaunty mirage]

They usually just play whichever is best at the time so yeah probably

[potent pivot]

well didn't pika mostly play assa in the last awc

the last one of SL

[jaunty mirage]

Oh idk I wasn’t watching those

[potent pivot]

my memory is pretty dogshit for stuff like that but i feel like that's what happened

[jaunty mirage]

I could see it

[potent pivot]

literally everyone else played rmp outlaw

feel like if they buffed fury, outlaw, and a couple other underperformers we'd have an insanely balanced game atm

[flint bolt]

Just waiting for that fury buff, lol. I feel like the tier bonus is garbage

[potent pivot]

fire and holy priest need some love

[winged pike]

i dont really remember too much but early bfa was definitely outlaw thug and outlaw frost rmp in blizzcon

[flint bolt]

I'd love to see some holy buffs. I'm dogshit as disc, despite everyone and their dog saying that disc is easy.

[winged pike]

i dont think its true that it was assa only at all

late sl was all outlaw

outlaw was the most busted spec in the game and it was still busted even after they nerfed shadowdust

[potent pivot]

yeah i coulda swore outlaw was in awc at some point in bfa, but i'm no expert on old comps i wasn't around for

[winged pike]

half of the ladder in 3s was outlaw + 1 comps

on na there were a lot of ret warr and demo lock shit tho

in late sl i mean

cant wait for ret to be giga broken when they rework it for .7

[potent pivot]

late SL pvp was a mess

[flint bolt]

wasn't all of SL a mess? lol

[potent pivot]

in a way yeah, but there were some good times

[jolly sierra]

i really wish to have a desktop for S2

hope can save the money soon OOF

im tired of reloading and suddenly dceing for that

in mid of a match

[jaunty mirage]

3/4 seasons was assa meta in bfa but yeah s1 started with sub and then went to outlaw briefly

[potent pivot]

it's kinda wild you can't find any old ladder information anywhere

[winged pike]

o i only played first little while until conflict and strife became the worst designed thing ever created

that shit was easily the WORST idea i have ever seen

[potent pivot]

there's like 0 archiving for that kinda thing

[winged pike]

in any pvp game ever

and its not even close

[potent pivot]

what?

[winged pike]

it was the double dmg reduction on versatility in stuns

[potent pivot]

:/ idk about eu prices, but you can generally build a competent desktop for like ~$1k that'll run wow and stuff

[potent pivot]

l o l

so you just, never stun anyone except the healer? lmfao

[jolly sierra]

yeah, im trying to get that amount of money

[winged pike]

iirc the last few tourneys at least on na were all mage lock monk dampening in the bermuda triangle

[abstract brook]

do you guys reckon drake breakers upgraded or the conquest daggers for assa rogue

im just thinking mastery > crit

[potent pivot]

1 of each, as shown in the FAQ

[abstract brook]

oh damn

[potent pivot]

[abstract brook]

mbmb

[potent pivot]

no worries

[jolly sierra]

the worst design tho was for blood of the enemy, specially in its source

i still recall pve players making everyone lose cuz they wanted it for their raids

[winged pike]

oh my god i just remembered drest

bfa was actually some shit

[jolly sierra]

yeah

forced to pve to play pvp and vice versa

[jaunty mirage]

That was beginning of s2 yeah

[jolly sierra]

was both drest and mechagon bike

[abstract brook]

1 of each with shiv in off hand was how i had it setup already haha cheers

[winged pike]

assa rmpala

please never again

[jaunty mirage]

Then people got full gear and assa scaled out of control and the best ww/destro team in the world were so out of ideas vs RMD that they played tank comps(and lost still obv)

Yeah RMPala meta is always a fiesta

Fire mage is just one of those specs tbh

[jolly sierra]

the spec i hated a lot in S4 was spriest

[jaunty mirage]

Hard to make it good without making it really silly

SL?

[jolly sierra]

BFA

[jaunty mirage]

Oh

They were like super damage meter pad though

[jolly sierra]

they were exploiters of gushing wounds too

[jaunty mirage]

Are you sure you didn’t hate the destro lock they were paired with? Hahaha

Yeah

So was assa tbf

[jolly sierra]

nah, destro was easy to line

priest just leaves u dotted, runs and even is able to heal himself

or make a 2v1

i did some 2v1 too back in the day, but needed to heal more TBH

[jaunty mirage]

Gushing was very silly in general

[jolly sierra]

fun to use, traumatizing to face

[jaunty mirage]

I guess tbf they did nail the thematics of the expac

Half the damage you did was outside your control

[jolly sierra]

chaotic mess between seasons?

ah

once i still recalled

when a fucker blinded me and i died cuz i was being hitted by my own corruption eye beaming me

the blind never broke

[jaunty mirage]

Lmao

[jolly sierra]

i was raging that day saying WTF WHY THAT SHIT NEVER BROKE

[jaunty mirage]

Triple spite teams

[jolly sierra]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[jaunty mirage]

Man that whole season was so wild

[jolly sierra]

yeah

still funnier than SL s1 tho

[jaunty mirage]

Also disagree with destro being easy to line that last season

Sub-1 second bolts

[jolly sierra]

well yeah, depended of stackings

[jaunty mirage]

And 99% chance their teammate was an assa rogue

[jolly sierra]

but i just tracked the dark soul and ran away till it faded

worked a lot too

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah for infernal that was the play

Made for toxic play all around

[jolly sierra]

BFA locks were a mess to due to the fuckers stacking haste corruptions

[jaunty mirage]

S4 though, destro/assa/hpal was the most effective glad farming comp because you didn’t need infernal

Every single kidney was a kill window

[jolly sierra]

what about double DK?

they were a meme too

with aura stacking

[jaunty mirage]

Frost dks?

Talking about heartstop

[jolly sierra]

frost/UH/X comps

yeah, one stacked heartstop and the other decaying(?)

[jaunty mirage]

Was pretty solid but it still lost to destro/assa haha

Also probably lost to dh comps

Dh was a big dk counter in bfa

[jolly sierra]

oh fucking DHS

[jaunty mirage]

Hahaha

Mana burn goes brrrr

[jolly sierra]

those fuckers were mediocre af playing and bragged a lot about winning

yeah

and blade dance with inmunity to cc

[jaunty mirage]

What a class haha

[jolly sierra]

was a funny xp TBH but one to never play again too lol

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah

I didn’t hate it as much as everyone else

[jolly sierra]

people overreacts sometimes

imo SL was way more bad

even people was tired of playing and dropped a lot in subs and blizz despaired about that xp

[jaunty mirage]

Honestly I might have had more fun in bfa haha

But I do recognize it wasn’t great

[jolly sierra]

agree

[jaunty mirage]

I think if they keep going with classic

They will stop at legion

[jolly sierra]

do u think they will skip xps?

like cata?

[jaunty mirage]

BFA was def bad enough to stop there haha

Nah I don’t think so

People will play it probably

[jolly sierra]

:/

well tastes are different

[jaunty mirage]

Cata was pretty fun for arena at least

If they could get away with skipping expacs honestly they might have skipped tbc lmao

[jolly sierra]

for me that xp was the worst, cuz was the responsible for simplifying the game and messing all the outdoors maps

[jaunty mirage]

Wrath was always going to be more popular than tbc

Like tbc pservers pale in comparison to wrath/vanilla

[jolly sierra]

yep, how many bots are there? lol

[jaunty mirage]

Rofl

[jolly sierra]

just checked a vid of a guy in a bg

with a lot of dk bots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzSx1L_TU4Q

0:51

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah older versions are def more susceptible to that kind of stuff

[jolly sierra]

tbh

in BFA i loved bots ban waves

or going to nazjatar to kill bots

and stacking for being wanted

[jolly sierra]

my tier gloves are bugged, still shows challenger 2 when are rival ranked now lol

[fierce laurel]

Cata is when raids started getting hard so I doubt they will launch it

[hollow light]

Just had a solo shuffle as sub against an assa who was clearly climbing (400 rated 1600 mmr); I couldn't do shit. Every dance I instantly ate a full kidney or disarm. How do I avoid this?

[proper heath]

So if they are ccing you EVERY dance. Thats pretty annoying.
You either go him, Sub rogues destroy assa rogues. Because rogues die in stuns.
Or you dance and do go's after hey kidney disarms you.

What he is doing is called peeling, everyone will do this at a high level. A rogue is doing damage to my teammate , I need to stop it. Warlocks will fear you etc, mages will poly you. If it's not happening, it's because people are bad.
What that rogue is doing is correct.

Besides what I said above, a concept that will be a bit harder for you, dont expect to do this if ur not fully comfortable yet, is what we call "Cross CC".
Cross CC, Meaning when you do a go , you will cc the other players while you go the kill target.
So in this case, you would cheapshot the rogue, kidney the kill target.
Or Blind the Rogue, Kidney the kill target. Disarm the rogue. Etc.
You see how you are disabling him as well as the kill target so he can't stop you from doing your damage.
In proper 3s, such cc would be done by ur mage, ur priest etc.
You probably do cross cc all the time, we cc healers when we kill dps, thats a form of cross cc as well.
However if a dps is stopping our kills, we wanna cross cc him before we do our go.
Hope that helped. Have a blessed day. Jesus loves you.

[hollow light]

Yeah, the guy had like 400+ honour level; he was Glad or better I'd wager - the difference in our situational awareness was astounding. That's all good advice, now to put it into practice.

[proper heath]

Alot of pvp, of any class, is just grasping core concepts such as peeling and cross cc. Because you can do it on all classes. Once you understand the core fundamentals , you will thrive and be above average on every class you play my friend! Keep asking question. I can't promise to answer in detail always but we do try.

[jaunty mirage]

classic is practically free money for them, they will keep going as long as people will play it

mop/wod/legion would be super popular as classic versions

[wanton breach]

i have the exact same thing happening

[sharp sierra]

but where is the conq bar

[rugged cedar]

Cap is gone now right?

[sharp sierra]

lol is it now

took them long enough

[raw tusk]

as sub, would is generally good to use for each go? my first thoughts were:

1st go: dance, symbols, er and secret tech
2nd go: could be blades and duel
3rd go: dance, symbols, er and secret tech are back, and bomb?

didn't know if I was close or pretty off

[ornate canopy]

hey guys out of curiosity, are u guys rolling 70 vers 33 mastery gems cz i see a mixture of either ppl stacking vers mastery vs mastery vers. i knw its abt the percentage but some has almost similar to each other stats %

[gusty gust]

A newb question, buddy and i decided to try and play 2s, what spec goes better with resto druid?

Ive seen somewhere that said assa but been playing sub in pve so im more familiar with it, just hope its not combat

[raw tusk]

assa bro

[tribal bay]

is subterfuge bugged all of a sudden

[graceful ravine]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-season-1-rated-pvp-rating-discussion-331468

yoooooooooooooooooo

i just want my mount bruh

[tawny kestrel]

so get good enough to get it

cant just expect to be given a glad mount for participating

[graceful ravine]

im not good enough to be top 350 on ladder

[tawny kestrel]

thats ur goal then

[graceful ravine]

top500-1000 is reasonable for me

nah thats close to r1 level, im not sweaty enough for those goals

[tribal bay]

grindset

[graceful ravine]

not sure if i agree with their 10 week approach

this just means ppl in the future wont bother to queue rated arenas until inflation sets in 10 weeks into the season

[tribal bay]

they already said they arent gonna do that again

[tribal bay]

my goal is to get better than u

[graceful ravine]

In retrospect, we think this delay was too long and we’re considering starting it earlier in the future, perhaps at a reduced rate.

they didnt tell players this at the start of season cos they knew no one would Q up knowing theres 0 inflation

[tribal bay]

everyone knew anyway

it wasnt really a secret how deflated the other brackets were

[graceful ravine]

they knew 10 weeks later (now) yea

everybody just assumed it was due to SS

taking away participation

[jaunty mirage]

i mean thats part of it tbf

but honestly they should just have some form of inflation every season at this point probably

[graceful ravine]

im pretty hyped for it

lets gooooooooooo

[jolly sierra]

so, how much inflation will we have till end season? i calculated 3 more months max

[jaunty mirage]

couple hundred rating probably

[jolly sierra]

200? gotcha

[jaunty mirage]

thats what ive been reading at least

2-300

[graceful ravine]

200 from inflation and possibly more due to "increased" participation from inflation

[jaunty mirage]

obviously just all guesses

[jolly sierra]

hope it works to revive 2s and 3s, gatekeepers are a thing

[jaunty mirage]

tbh

as someone who enjoys regular 3s the most

ss was a pandora's box

[jolly sierra]

yeah, but people wanted since a lot of time to queue solo

[jaunty mirage]

thats what i mean

[jolly sierra]

cuz they had issues looking for people themselves, including myself

[jaunty mirage]

i think its going to become the main rated pvp activity going forward

[jolly sierra]

i have easier work looking for a RBG roster rather than a comp tbh

[jaunty mirage]

2s/3s will become niche activities

[jolly sierra]

agree w that

[jaunty mirage]

the advent of ss feels like an end of an era type change

idk if they will ever be able to get regular 3s and 2s participation back

[jolly sierra]

there are not too much incentive tho

[jaunty mirage]

if anything i think they will add some kind of glad mount to ss and it will be done

solo queue is the main form of competitive pvp in basically every other online pvp game

[jolly sierra]

the main issue alongside gatekeepers is than just awards 100 honor after 1st daily vs the 900 average by winning 3 rounds in SS

[jaunty mirage]

writing seems to be on the wall, but maybe im wrong

[jolly sierra]

ppl in midtime just want to cap

nah its ok

2s rewards are almost the same for shuffle, so at least there is almost dead compared to regular 3s

which have the mounts

[jaunty mirage]

they will add some kind of mount to shuffle in the future

shuffle participation even with the long dps queue times is bonkers compared to 2s/3s

its up there with SL s1 which was one of the busiest arena seasons ever

dont think you can stop it now

[graceful ravine]

is it up there with s1 sl?

need to see some real #s on those

personally i dont think s1 sl will ever be surpassed in terms of # due to covid

[jaunty mirage]

Yeah I mean we obv don’t have the true numbers

But the rough estimates atm are in line with the estimates for SL s1

[sharp sierra]

Are vault delvers shoulders always haste or is there a way to get mastery on them?

Using catalyst to change conq shoulders to vault

[jaunty mirage]

the stat values are always the same

on the tier

[quartz arch]

want to try pvp, is pvp gear needed? I'm already 400 ilvl in pve gear. Is it better off buying full set of green pvp gear to start?

[jaunty mirage]

yes

[graceful ravine]

anyone know if this 20 mmr inflation also applies to SS?

[quartz arch]

who do i get trinkets? just but them first from honor ?

[graceful ravine]

i hope not..

[jaunty mirage]

it doesnt specify hahaha

so potentially it could

[tawny kestrel]

dont think it does

seems like its still capped at 3.3 mmr

[graceful ravine]

there are ppl above 3.3 tho

[tawny kestrel]

yes thats not mmr

mmr is hard capped at 3300

[graceful ravine]

nice

[tawny kestrel]

rating is capped at whatever rating u stop getting rating from 6-0 at

[graceful ravine]

damn im guessing at some points youre gonna lose rating going 5-1

[tawny kestrel]

ye

[waxen meteor]

you crazy capped people

[sharp sierra]

How are disc priests. Leveling an alt healer and i don’t know why but just always seemed to like them.

best healer

[tribal bay]

ive played 2 healers now

[jolly sierra]

is the best healer and ppl is asking for nerfs

[tribal bay]

fistweaving and disc

disc is WAY better

it just has really strong DR CDs, decent damage even in a mostly healing focused build

i think when just starting tho dont focus too hard on atonement healing because thats how i notice a lot of disc priests i que into lose games

[jaunty mirage]

disc is basically fistweaving without the risk

honestly disc buffs bring out the worst in people lmao

i cant think of another healer that makes people that toxic when its OP

maybe resto druid

[sharp sierra]

Thanks lol

[graceful ravine]

rdruid is the most toxic healer when OP

max healing at max range and you cant ever reach them

• never die

[jolly sierra]

alright im avoiding SS till i get enough conq gear to fill my blue pieces

[sharp sierra]

god i fucking hate getting randomly taken out of stealth

[graceful ravine]

at least disc needs to run in for fears

[jolly sierra]

(except for daily one lol)

[graceful ravine]

and can die

[jaunty mirage]

tbf usually when disc gets buffed they are super hard to kill

[jolly sierra]

i still recall shadowlands s3-s4 dpriest

w fkn kyrian cov

[graceful ravine]

yes but you can at least hit them

rdruid will kite to infinity and never die

[jaunty mirage]

yeah but disc will just facetank your damage while pumping damage themselves

i think they are pretty even tbh

[graceful ravine]

from a dps/cc standpoint, much harder to cc an OP rdruid vs priest

[jaunty mirage]

in terms of how toxic people get when those two healers are good

yeah for sure

[graceful ravine]

priest you can still cc with step kidney and blinds cos they play closer for fears

op rdruid will be playing max range behind a pillar, with full hots on his team, and only peak out if team is below 50-70%

[jaunty mirage]

that applies to mw too tbh

but mw players are less toxic

[plucky sage]

So guys, can I ask, do you have 2 UIs? Or should I learn to raid without weakauras? I really feel like it is bloat when I PvP

[jaunty mirage]

you can just disable raid weak auras outside of raids

[plucky sage]

I know I can just select to not load in arena but, I hide my action bars so I'd have to unhide them also everytime etc

[plucky sage]

Yeah I was thinking that but yeah, just guess I need to make 2 dominoes profiles or something

[jaunty mirage]

its easier now

though idk, do you raid and pvp as two different specs?

cause if its all one spec im not sure you want to have two very different keybind situations

[potent pivot]

I saw some discussion yesterday about people wanting 3v3 triple dps solo qs

And I feel like that sounds atrocious

I think that would work for 2v2 solo q