lmaoo
#pvp
graceful ravine
elfin maple
anyone here plays rogue mage this season?
lucid citrus
This brewmaster comp is so funny to watch
winged pike
brew doing same dmg as freecasting arcane 🤔
warrior players LMAO
surely this warr is trolling
speed chest enchant and stamina gems
???
potent pivot
speed chest enchant and stamina gems
thought it was the tank using stam gems
there's something one of them used that scales with stam
warrior also played gnome
btw
graceful ravine
surprised whazz not playing AP vs triple melee on small map
but then again theyre playing rmp so aoe doesnt matter
potent pivot
the fact that a tank team can beat Poggers is insanely hilarious
graceful ravine
myway is watching these game and laughing
potent pivot
eiya calling thomas tomas is pretty funny
why lol
winged pike
idk usually americans randomly botch any foreign name but this dude typed his name as thomas and she was pronouncing it like he was pt/spanish
winged pike
i guess they were thinking they just need to live a setup but i cant imagine stamina gems making any meaningful diff
surely this is giga troll
whys brewzin playing dranei too seems like he doesnt need to live, maybe if he played some shit like KT he could have done meme shit with the knock + rop
he was already running over to breath him
potent pivot
no idea
gotta be some weird tech
gnome warr kinda troll though
unless they wanted whaazz to train warr, which he did
wraith shoal
Hey there, how do you find a good guild to play RBGs with?
I am having trouble finding an active one with more than 5 people online at most times.
Even though these guilds have like 400 members
winged pike
i don’t think there’s that many people who play rbgs in general lol
if ur on a decently populated server u can prob just camp trade chat for a pvp guild
potent pivot
Hey there, how do you find a good guild to play RBGs with?
active pvp guilds are kinda hard to come by
on NA there's a couple on Tichondrius
radiant glen
make a guild and invite people u play with
wraith shoal
I mean I'd probably try to put the work in getting people to join me but I'd need an active guilde for that first.
wraith shoal
make a guild and invite people u play with
Hm, you think people would join?
potent pivot
rbg's are usually just built in lfg
there's very few like 'whole guild' runs afaik
other than casual weekend stuff
wraith shoal
Okay understand. I have never played one but am always sad not being able to clear the weekly for it.
potent pivot
try to join them in lfg
there's usually yolo groups if you don't have any rgb cr
if you have decent rating in other brackets 2s/3s/rss you can try to put that in the note as well when you apply
wraith shoal
I'll try to join a yolo one 😄
elfin maple
so noone here plays with a mage 2s?
potent pivot
>assa rogues (((((((
he even played assa tho lmaoo
potent pivot
tawxick
potent pivot
so noone here plays with a mage 2s?
i'm sure some do, but most people just play shuffle lately
elfin maple
i'm sure some do, but most people just play shuffle lately
meh, cant find any gameplay rm in 2s with a fire mage, really liked it in shadowlands, nahj, pika, aeghis, everyone was pumping those videos, could improve a lot, now noone is playing it seems
potent pivot
nah because fire is kinda bad
only rm i really see rn is assa arcane
or sub frost
assa frost
etc
elfin maple
we tried sub frost, worked kinda i guess, sub arcane was terrible for us, went back to sub fire and felt the best for us, playing at around 1,5k cr
sage tusk
Whatat do frost dks have that allow them to stun 4 times without DRing
potent pivot
@graceful ravine did you start using DisableLOCCD
shit is bugging insane for me now
potent pivot
it's probably because of elvui i'd assume
it works fine on rogue now it's bugging my bars on dh 
can't press anything
sage tusk
is this better than the pvp rings by any chance? 1k mastery alone
or should i just buy the vers/mast with conq
potent pivot
or should i just buy the vers/mast with conq
conq
that ring has 0 vers
you can go vers/mast conq+vers/mast crafted ring
or vers/mast+haste/vers conq
sage tusk
ty
also upgrading gear doesnt do anything right if it says 424 or 411 it stays that way
thats just for like wpvp
open minnow
lol, started a priest for pvp cause it was annoying to get always facef**k with mentaly ill healer on team. Well what can i say now? Never got bashed harder in wow since 2004.
i luv my rogue 🙂
im mentaly ill priest too 😦
sharp sierra
upgrading is for pve ilvl
So even for like drakebreaker shiv and flad dagger it’s pointless to upgrade?
potent pivot
So even for like drakebreaker shiv and flad dagger it’s pointless to upgrade?
drakebreaker you upgrade with trophies
it's only "pointless" to upgrade honor/conq gear with honor
because that only upgrades pve ilvl
it's still useful for WQs and stuff
but not needed for pvp
ain't no way trill playing tank
sharp sierra
drakebreaker you upgrade with trophies
Yeah but i mean like it won’t help the pvp level?
potent pivot
Yeah but i mean like it won’t help the pvp level?
for drakebreaker yes it does
it makes it 421 pvp ilvl
sharp sierra
Yeah i already upgraded it, was just hoping i didn’t waste them lmao
Like i did my catalyst last week 🤦🏻♂️
are sl elite sets obtainable if you get the rating?
legion are
potent pivot
none are
wintry dew
If you had the rating, you got them by now
potent pivot
unless you had that rating during the season it's from
wintry dew
If you don't, then you can't
spark egret
legion are
they are not
sharp sierra
spark egret
yes
sharp sierra
spark egret
did you earn that rating during legion
sharp sierra
why are they in the vendor then
spark egret
well thats a good question but
potent pivot
because they aren't coded that way
potent pivot
they are there for people who DID get the rating in that season to buy them
in case they didn't get the mog or w/e
sharp sierra
interesting
spark egret
@sharp sierraotherwise you could get this banger too
potent pivot
every old pvp vendor is that way
potent pivot
<@456226577798135808>otherwise you could get this banger too
stop hurting my feelings
plz
potent pivot
the warr MT set is fine
sharp sierra
looks like 40k
spark egret
the warr MT set is fine
its fine ye
potent pivot
pikaboo's warrior mog is BiS
spark egret
the black looks nicer
potent pivot
have you seen it
spark egret
but the silver is a decent compromise
potent pivot
ya
potent pivot
whats pikas warriors name
illmindofboo
and the mog doesn't show on armory, nice
graceful ravine
lol sick game
sharp sierra
Wars got the best mogs
sharp sierra
And weaps
dense crow
hi, i play assa (most of the time solo shuffel) i have no clue what to do about unholy dk they just smoke me (currently 2,1k rating). When i try to dot he bursts i die, when i try to kite -> army kills me i los healer i die. When i look at him i die. Any tips?
potent pivot
lol sick game
_>
dense crow
i try to wait for his burst and shadowstep away but i die
fierce laurel
oooof
spark egret
THE MOVE
fierce laurel
I guess brewmaster is ok if they not screwing up stun dr on everything and play intelligently.
uneven grove
this week AWC is so fun
GG finally beat Luminosity
and then Chunli fcking rekt them
and they have to beat Lumonisity again in the Lower bracket
uneven grove
I guess brewmaster is ok if they not screwing up stun dr on everything and play ...
yeah actually brm is like tanks should be in pvp
not insanely tanky like a guardian druid, can't keep everyone alive with 0 mana like prot pala
graceful ravine
143k kill shot
LOL
damn that game was terrible
couldnt land any ccs
drake had his back to the wall with evasion to dodge step kidney and won the game
sheesh
brain pre sacced blind back to back games too
uneven grove
brain is so insane on holy pally
it's insane
even if holy pala would be worst healer, Brain would be top3 healer in AWC
sharp sierra
Let’s go eagles !!
worthy crag
anyone else have an issue since DF where you have to press your toy macros twice for it to activate?
doesnt seem to affect ability macros, just toys/items
potent pivot
doesnt seem to affect ability macros, just toys/items
like what specifically?
i don't think i use any macros for toys lol
fierce laurel
The bauble is fun on sprint.
worthy crag
damn, this dude was on an inting healer's team for the first 3 rounds, the healer ragequit and they lose points for it lol
potent pivot
so expensive
terse mountain
Why does Assa opener feal so weak
potent pivot
assa's opener isn't going to be like sub's
but it's definitely not weak when done correctly
it's just easier to counter if you do an all-in opener at the start of a match
if you start with kidney->gar->shiv->rupture->DM->mut/ER/sbs->env
it's much easier for an opponent to just sit the stun and react when the stun is over
with defensives/immunities
or for the healer to dispel, etc
assa is more about building pressure and using DM at the correct time to close out a kill
keep bleeds up on 1-2 targets as much as possible, using CC to build more pressure or peel for your team
once you've exhausted the enemy's defensives/trinket, then you can go for a kill in a kidney with DM etc
terse mountain
I've been doing some world pvp and it's just frustrating me. I open usually with kidney, garrote, mutilate, rupture, reprimand, shiv, mutilate then Exsan and get my envenoms off but like after reprimand they've only lost like 15% hp
In this case it was 1v1 so it was a little different to rated circumstances
potent pivot
I've been doing some world pvp and it's just frustrating me. I open usually with...
hmm, what does your gear look like?
also keep in mind if someone has the world pvp set bonuses they get like a shield when someone attacks them iirc
fierce laurel
I've been doing some world pvp and it's just frustrating me. I open usually with...
Yeah like 55k when they’re stunned
So you’ve really done like 33% or more
potent pivot
you should also exsang earlier
gar-shiv-rupt-exsang
to get the most duration of your bleeds into the exsang
you can also double garrote for a longer Improved Garrote duration
terse mountain
I'm always hesitant to use exsan too early, I've heard different things so I'm conflicted about popping cd's prematurely
potent pivot
i mean if you know you're planning on using it in the opener, use it properly imo
you can use both exsang and DM, or 1 at a time to split up the pressure
but you should always exsang directly after getting bleeds up if you're planning on using it
terse mountain
hmm, what does your gear look like?
it's not perfect
potent pivot
as it only speeds up the duration of the existing bleeds
potent pivot
it's not perfect
ok so you're not doing too bad gear wise, i'd recommend getting the 421 drakebreaker dagger for offhand
get the crafted pvp boots
for cc reduction
free 424 pvp ilvl slot
same for helm
terse mountain
Thank you, just need some sparks and I'll craft those. I was doing much more pve prior to getting into pve hence less crafted pve gear
potent pivot
yeah it's understandable, have seen a lot of people lately trying to get geared for pvp that are already pve geared
there's a gear guide in the faq
terse mountain
My tier pieces are HC gear, is that an issue? I only use it because of the set bonus ofc
potent pivot
My tier pieces are HC gear, is that an issue? I only use it because of the set b...
you should use it
but try to get conquest pieces to turn into tier for 424 pvp ilvl
but def use it for now
still knoll
ok so you're not doing too bad gear wise, i'd recommend getting the 421 drakebre...
I have a question regarding this, many top assa use drakebreaker instead of conquest, is it better this set?
potent pivot
I have a question regarding this, many top assa use drakebreaker instead of conq...
only for certain pieces for vers/mastery which you cannot get vers/mastery from conquest
off hand dagger, wrist, and belt
terse mountain
Awesome, thank you. I'll work towards that
potent pivot
you want conquest dagger for main hand because higher ilvl main hand is one of the most important things for dps when it comes to gear
potent pivot
Awesome, thank you. I'll work towards that
you're welcome, glgl 
still knoll
only for certain pieces for vers/mastery which you cannot get vers/mastery from ...
Ohh I get it, I was confused why they we're using that
thanks
terse mountain
Locks are extremely tanky it's insane
tawny kestrel
idr why it's more tanky than destro though <a:PU_PeepoBigBrain:69971601370854199...
think its cus of soul link
not sure if all lock specs have it
could be
cant remember
potent pivot
me neither, haven't ever looked hard into lock things
just now the major, more obvious defensives etc
worthy crag
its just non demo specs can sac their pets
thus losing soul link
I think locks are at a proper level of tankiness now tbh
after the several nerfs they got
potent pivot
yeah i think they're fine
going the lock is a decent strat into some match ups
just never end up going demo usually if there is one, this could just be random bias from small sample size atm though
they're definitely not the tanks they were in SL though
fierce laurel
A fellow spider silk enjoyer.
worthy crag
Spider silk?
fierce laurel
Don’t you have the ring embellishment
worthy crag
oo yeahh haha
Double drake dagger, embellish ring with silk
All in mastery vers
Thuogh my enchants/gems are vers and not mastery cuz I dont run sec tech
graceful ravine
hugeee
been playing my cheese sub build on my alt
getting angry whispers after rounds
cos they die in the duel 
potent pivot
been playing my cheese sub build on my alt
the flag build?
fierce laurel
Thuogh my enchants/gems are vers and not mastery cuz I dont run sec tech
You run brew or rotten?
worthy crag
rotten. I dont think dark brew is compatible with a non sectech build
Since the point is to amp up its shadowy portion of dmg
crimson cape
Double Sophic or sohpic wafting???
proper heath
double Sophic Devotion rank 3
No thx I'm gonna use Sohpic Wafting. 😄
woven jolt
waxen meteor
May someone share the exact name of the mastery conquer ring name in English.. sorry my game client is not in English
God those blizzard customer care dudes
potent pivot
May someone share the exact name of the mastery conquer ring name in English.. s...
its in the faq :p
sec
waxen meteor
its in the faq :p
Thank you boss
waxen meteor
I even put the screenshots on
in initial ticket
how could they fail to understand what that ring is
I feel i will simply buy that ring again next week with unlimited conquer before they are able to resoovle it
potent pivot
I feel i will simply buy that ring again next week with unlimited conquer before...
what happened to yours?
waxen meteor
what happened to yours?
Cannot use socket on it
and it's bugged for both rogue and DH lol
waxen meteor
Yeah i also found other people have it
potent pivot
weird
waxen meteor
and i can use the socket on the haste conquer ring
lol
which i got from week 1 vault
that was a bad luck week
potent pivot
yeah i've heard of a couple of ppl who had issues with socketing other items
potent pivot
and i think some people who couldn't upgrade legs?
waxen meteor
yeah
potent pivot
like the pve ilvl with honor
waxen meteor
but seperate issue
waxen meteor
my ring was fully upgraded from that bugged legs week though
the customer care answered my tickets with 20 lines of unrelated text like 'Safe travels, and have a fabulous day!'
and asked me if equipped the ring when i had attachment of wearing it in ticket
asked me what the name of item is when i had attachment of single item screenshot
potent pivot
proper heath
From what I understand. If you fully upgrade your socket items. Such as 9/9 PVE upgrade on a conq ring. You can't put a socket into it.
Nahj was demonstrating on his stream.
waxen meteor
Ha?
proper heath
So if ur 2400. And you fully upgrade ur ring to 9/9. It can't be socketted. Thats one way to bug it
proper heath
Not sure then. We know it's upgrade related. At least one way to bug it.
waxen meteor
i mean there are so much honor to be wasted... why keep it at 1/9...
proper heath
Yeah. Not your fault. Blizzard bugs 😦
waxen meteor
proper heath
waxen meteor
I am just getting annoyed by the response (after 5 days it's reported)
and 'Safe travels, and have a fabulous day!'
lol
where am i going
potent pivot
KOF?
potent pivot
ahh, nice
tribal bay
and 'Safe travels, and have a fabulous day!'
Bro at least I’m not the only one that’s sick of the way they respond
Last ticket I put in was serious and about an overcharge to my bank. So my real hard earned money and I was met with uwu furry messages from the staff. I had to request someone takes this seriously and send it to their boss so I could get a real response. Man it triggered me for some reason. A bit of professionalism goes a long way
waxen meteor
I think they don't realize from training, this sentence can be cute after you resolve the issue
but when you see this after a very dumb answer, it just looks extra annoying
tribal bay
Yeah dude legit
Spot on 100% if it was actually resolved I’d have a chuckle
But it wasn’t so I just got more annoyed
Is thief’s bargain still bugged?
potent pivot
Is thief’s bargain still bugged?
Afaik yeah. You can just talent into it real quick and see I think
tribal bay
Damn
potent pivot
I’m kinda surprised how long they’re letting talent bugs go on for
tribal bay
Yeah legit
potent pivot
Seeing how often they’re doing tuning patches etc
tribal bay
Do you think it would ever be worth taking for the feint CDR anyway?
That seems pretty op
potent pivot
Ehh I just don’t think you really need it as sub
Feint is already up anytime you really need it
If it actually worked on vanish I think it’d be worth messing with
2 charges of vanish giving CDR+CDR on vanish itself+cloaked in shadows
It would be kinda cracked
You’d be immortal to every 2 minute go in the game
still knoll
what do you guys think about sin + frost mage?
im really struggling, was 1200 sin + ret pal
and now fell to 1000 with frost lol
potent pivot
sin frost is ok
waxen meteor
what do you guys think about sin + frost mage?
opening is like 50% of the game
waxen meteor
I feel it's more challenging than before
or maybe because less people play 2s
I think frost mage has ess survival than SL s4
still knoll
I started to get serious with pvp this season
so I don't really know the comparison haha
waxen meteor
I am not super expert, but my same mage teammate dies much faster and frequent compared to last seasons
worthy widget
I dont know, I also really started getting into it this season and 2s just feels awful
You got a Fistweaver who deals as much damage as a DPS and you cant kill either bc his cocoon is like a 30 second cd
long shore
You got a Fistweaver who deals as much damage as a DPS and you cant kill either ...
Cocoon is 30s cd now ?
worthy widget
I played against one yesterday and he hsd like 4 cocoons
Couldve killed him 3 times but always had tjat
Idk if its a life safe talent that gives him a shield at a certain threshhold but it had the cocoon icon
vocal surge
Outlaw Rogues when they do their rotation correctly:
Adrenaline Rush: CC'd
Shadow Dance: CC'd
DPS: Very low
Forums: "You need to fix your rotation to do damage"
worthy widget
Anybody got some pvp fundamentals for intermediate videos they watched and that helped?
tribal bay
2 charges of vanish giving CDR+CDR on vanish itself+cloaked in shadows
Oh wtf that would actually be fried as hell
tribal bay
You got a Fistweaver who deals as much damage as a DPS and you cant kill either ...
55s with both CDR talents
Makes cocoon pretty week you can blast thru it with damage
tribal bay
Idk if its a life safe talent that gives him a shield at a certain threshhold bu...
Need to bait fistweavers away from their faeline stomp. The buff they get from standing on that is what gives them such big damage and healing, and they die in stuns so if you can stun lock then silence so they can’t use cocoon you win
If they aren’t standing on their faeline stomp they can’t reset the cool-down so they have 20ish secs of low healing and dmg
warm lance
"Lets hit evoker" team proceeds to target Ele
fierce crystal
@worthy widget as rogue fistweawer is super free in 2s
just pressure both and kidney him off dr and he will be forced to use cocoon, after that u send everything u have and he is dead, its no way he survives it
Evasion can also be used offensively, but I dont recommend this unless u 100% will score a kill and he cant hit your partner
fierce crystal
assa
worthy widget
i presume assa since sub is dog rn
aight
but i pretty much did that
and I still lost
fierce crystal
sub is insanely good atm
proper heath
Sub is good. It has rupture .
They are halfway to an assa rogue already
Thats already better than a feral druid 😄
fierce crystal
but ye, I think fistweavers are prob one of the easiest healers to kill atm
warm lance
i presume assa since sub is dog rn
Sub is far from dog
Like what is this whole idea that sub is dog anyway
fierce crystal
Its just alot harder to play
so I think ppl think its dog since they cant make it work
warm lance
That just means they are dog 
Is my hunter cursed or what. I just cant get even 3-3 on it no matter how much I try and use my kit
worthy widget
ye it is a lot harder and creates less pressure
warm lance
Ive even had healers AFK rounds randomly
worthy widget
so why should people play sub if assa is easier and better
warm lance
Yeah no? Theyre both absolutely cracked
warm lance
Comp dependent aswell
fierce crystal
regarding fistweaver, if you have DM after his cocoon its no way he should live
warm lance
The comps that are popular right now work better with Assa
But specwise theyre basically equal
fierce crystal
aslong as you have uptime- sprint, trinket,step or similar
minor cape
cause assa is more zug zug
in shuffle
and is cracked
and you do big sustained damage
which is how people mostly win lower cr lobbies in shuffle
well its not zug zug but certainly not sub one mistake and you loose all damage 🥹
tribal bay
Evasion can also be used offensively, but I dont recommend this unless u 100% wi...
Yeah exactly if u pop evasion they can’t heal using it offensively isn’t a bad idea tbh
fierce crystal
I mean you have to know when to use it offensive, or you can die later on, so its not always the best
One scenario where it can be good is that you know that he dies in next kidney if he stays below 60% until then or so
tribal bay
Get your partner to kite and pop evasion it’s an easy kill
fierce crystal
then u can pre evasion to make him unable to top himself and win in next kidney
valid falcon
hi! just dinged and wondering what should i get first? got a drakebreaker weapon first, do i now get a crimson dagger and then 4set? or should i go for 4 set now and get another drake dagger with reset?
fierce crystal
prio 4 set ye
and a dagger is always good
conq is uncapped next w, so u can get everything
warm lance
For assa one conq dagger one drake
For Sub you can argue using 2 drakes
In the end the difference is so small you probably wouldnt notice it
valid falcon
alright : )
minor cape
For Sub you can argue using 2 drakes
i tried both
conq better
bigger secret tech
so probably bigger eviscerate too
and rupture
and bigger non finishers for sure
the boost is small but it matters on secret tech
warm lance
If you tried once it doesnt do much to judge
Youd have to get thousands of tests in
Just had a revelation because of a sub I had in my match
Dude had a scuffed ass build, even took secret tech
But NEVER pressed it
wait no he used it once and did no dmg
This is overall from 6rounds
warped anchor
Main hand ilvl is more important than secondaries for sure
warm lance
then theres hunters who seem to be using drake wep for extra haste
warm lance
oh no. 2 frost mages in a solo
minor cape
DUDE WHAT THE FUCK AHAHAHHA
potent pivot
but are the drake dagger better? because of vers/mastery ?
1 conquest dagger, 1 drake dagger
minor cape
If you tried once it doesnt do much to judge
not like that
i did run w drake dagger for some time then someone told me conq is better i put it on and was like holy shit
now i believe in ilvl main hand
warm lance
Took me 3x 4-2 wins to start gaining rating again after the dip the other day
potent pivot
Be like that sometimes
tender ferry
As sub, do you typically kidney kill target or healer?
potent pivot
As sub, do you typically kidney kill target or healer?
You can do either, but you’ll typically kidney the kill target
Just have to judge to situation
tender ferry
Roger that
potent pivot
Sub can throw out so much cc it’s pretty nutty
tender ferry
Just didn’t know if it was better to aim for kidney healer then chain cheap kill target or just kidney kill target and go for it
potent pivot
But sometimes if your team is in a tight spot or your kill target is on stun DR kidneying the healer isn’t out of the question
It’s definitely more optima to kidney the kill target
Cheap shot goes can be pretty piss
I think there’s one build that can do decent cheap goes but it’s still eh
tender ferry
I’ve been testing a brew build without sec tech for consistent 30ish sec gos
Not having to wait for cold blood
potent pivot
The rotten+reverb build iirc can do cheap shot goes if necessary
But it’s still not the best thing in the world ofc
tribal bay
I’ve been testing a brew build without sec tech for consistent 30ish sec gos
screenshot talents page
potent pivot
I’ve been testing a brew build without sec tech for consistent 30ish sec gos
Yeah that’s typically fine, sec tech isn’t a requirement but I will say it helps contribute a lot to your burst
Theres some people who don’t take it tho
tender ferry
I will when I’m in front of my comp. Big takeaway is that rupture fucking pumps as does gloomblade. Evisc is beginning to kind of do damage now with all the modifiers
I’m only 1850ish in SS tho
potent pivot
Yeah
tribal bay
bro i hate not having gloomblade
tender ferry
Same
tribal bay
its actually aids i cant stand it
tribal bay
yes it feels bad pressing backstab
potent pivot
First time hearing a sub rogue say this
gleaming knoll
Kinda new to pvp, is the best way to learn just playing? Me and a buddy are trying to get 1800 for the elite set. Is that a pretty tough goal or is it definitely achievable?
tender ferry
It’s my top damage on dummy stuff metimes
Sometimes*
Frequent 30-40k Frits
Crits*
I’m weird tho and also go assa path on class tree for tea
potent pivot
Kinda new to pvp, is the best way to learn just playing? Me and a buddy are tryi...
Yeah and watch some YouTube vids to get the jist of things, keep in mind things in videos get outdated fast but they can teach you the fundamentals of pvp
tribal bay
it just sounds like your running the double dance raid build honestly
tender ferry
One dance
tribal bay
thats sus
potent pivot
Yeah that’s a lil sus
tender ferry
Im a contrarian. But it doesn’t feel too bad tbh
gleaming knoll
Yeah and watch some YouTube vids to get the jist of things, keep in mind things ...
Roger, anyone you would recommend specifically or is everyone who’s pushing rouge vids out pretty reliable?
potent pivot
Roger, anyone you would recommend specifically or is everyone who’s pushing roug...
Pikaboo or Palumor, just don’t focus on the builds focus on the gameplay in general
tribal bay
Roger, anyone you would recommend specifically or is everyone who’s pushing roug...
and shadenox
he also writes the icyveins guides
gleaming knoll
Sweet thank you
tardy jasper
How come some high ranked rogues not wearing any tier?
severe hazel
guys i just came back to the game and have a question regarding tier gear
does it always scale to 424 if i turn a conq piece into gear?
and also can i keep upgrading the gear after transforming it into tier?
sharp sierra
i need a pvp alt and i cant decide 
mage, hunter, ret, evo, drudi
mage sucked so much in pve for me
boring and stale arcane
tribal bay
i need a pvp alt and i cant decide <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
mage, hunter...
fistweaver
potent pivot
How come some high ranked rogues not wearing any tier?
Because most sub builds don’t use it
potent pivot
does it always scale to 424 if i turn a conq piece into gear?
Yeah
You can only upgrade the pve ilvl of conq gear
severe hazel
so i just get a unranked conq piece and turn it into 424 tier
omg
how is this system so nice
tribal bay
how is this system so nice
because a pvp game shouldnt have an endless grind attached to it
its ridiculous as hell that there was
keep the gear grind to the pve grinders they love that shit
pale storm
3, will be 4 on Tuesday
warm lance
Uh.. yes
severe hazel
can i keep upgrading the gear after turning it into tier?
or is it locked after?
seems like im on 1 charge, so no catch up on that but at least i will be able to get 2 set next reset and tier in general without raiding
good enough for me
rancid cipher
Could I link my char to some1 so you suggest me what should I buy next from Conq gear?
Two embellishment items for ASSA are head and feet?
And is it better option to have 2xCrimson Daggers 424 or 1xCrimson+1xDrakebreaker?
unborn portal
Two embellishment items for ASSA are head and feet?
faq answers this
get pieces that provide biggest mainstat, (chest/legs etc)
rancid cipher
I have high ilvl PVE 4set
severe hazel
i guess if they are 424 from pve it wont matter?
unborn portal
And is it better option to have 2xCrimson Daggers 424 or 1xCrimson+1xDrakebreake...
to answer question anyway; 424 conq dagger mainhand, 421 drakebreaker off hand (vers/mast)
any melee dps you play you always want strongest possible mainhand
warm lance
Hol up Mackavelli a defias?
unborn portal
little sequoia
Are we actaully prioing 424 over tier
tardy jasper
Because most sub builds don’t use it
Not even 2pc?
little sequoia
I'm assuming sin 4pc is nuts in pvp right
orchid plinth
You also have both Drake and Wealthymans current setup here: https://awc.gcd.tv/#/ (for Assa)
Most people won't be able to get the Ring and the Daggers but it's not THAT hard to cross reference with Murlok and common sense
potent pivot
Are we actaully prioing 424 over tier
For assa/outlaw no
But sub’s tier is a bit lackluster in pvp so most just stack mastery
And yes sins 4p is still pretty strong
It was nuts prenerf
little sequoia
Wish I just got 1800 before the nerf
I'm 1600 hardstuck rn
Hopefully it'll be a bit better once ai get conq daggers
potent pivot
Hopefully it'll be a bit better once ai get conq daggers
Get a drake dagger for OH
little sequoia
Drake dagger?
potent pivot
Drakebreaker
orchid plinth
PvP Weekly Quest
little sequoia
I only have 1 conq item rn, i'm super behind so I'm not too worried about it. I just got it in 36 rounds of shuffle on dh and thought it'd be a breeze lmao
proper heath
Wish I just got 1800 before the nerf
I feel you dawg. ☹️
little sequoia
It's fine, I'll get conq gear and strugglebus my way up
summer plinth
What do you do against a WW monk's fists of fury as assa rogue? On my warrior I can storm bolt it, but obviously I can't stun it on my rogue cause parry
do you just shadowstep away to your healer?
chrome schooner
You wait
Press Feint and be patient
Reapply Garrote as it can't be parried so you have a useful global
fallen meteor
Yo, did anyone win a single brawl as Horde this week ?
summer plinth
Alright. I was getting trucked by it yesterday. Was using feint every one and also sometimes evasion. I died in a game cause I was out of cds during fof and shadow stepped away but was too late. Disc Priest had bubble and pain sup available and didn't use either on me. :/
marble zealot
So all pvp conquest leather looks the same but for it to unlock acc-wide do I need to buy each piece by one char so I unlock the full set?
jolly sierra
What do you do against a WW monk's fists of fury as assa rogue? On my warrior I ...
feint or shadowstep him to kidney or to healer
summer plinth
Okay thanks. Didn't think to shadowstep kidney since he obviously can't parry from behind.
fierce laurel
You can also daggers throw or tan of knives.
grave pier
hey guys
have pvp talents changed?
I remember someone told me to go Ambush talents
jolly sierra
who told u to do that? xdd
fierce laurel
That was back when people were experimenting with dance sin I think.
jolly sierra
i recall even when we were discussing in prepatch for shadow dance wasn't a think
jolly sierra
anybody which told u that doesn't pass 1k4 tho
grave pier
ah
tawny kestrel
you drop 2 points and go internal bleeding + intent to kill
in the ones you’ve crossed out
grave pier
Rather than improved poison and Fatal concotion?
jolly sierra
blindside a lot of times were took and dropped during early season
tawny kestrel
Rather than improved poison and Fatal concotion?
yes
jolly sierra
but ppl decided to def drop that later
tawny kestrel
intent to kill is rly good into almost everything
jolly sierra
someones are taking TTB
grave pier
TTB?
sharp sierra
pog talent
grave pier
ahh
jolly sierra
but yeah, intent and internal bleeding are good talents tho
u need to shadowstep a lot
and the bleeding is decent
grave pier
I heard Internal bleeding is terrible as it gives out nothing in terms of bleed
which is better Tiny Toxic Blade or Intent and Internal?
jolly sierra
is decent, after poison nerfs
tawny kestrel
internal bleeding is good
grave pier
ah sweet thanks
grave pier
So drop Fatal concotion and 1 improved poison?
tawny kestrel
yes
potent pivot
anybody which told u that doesn't pass 1k4 tho
You can get 2.4k with basically any talent build so that’s just not true
potent pivot
which is better Tiny Toxic Blade or Intent and Internal?
Both are good options, there isn’t really ever going to be 1 clear “best”
jolly sierra
You can get 2.4k with basically any talent build so that’s just not true
murlok.io records the persons above that CR
and there are not any blindside
potent pivot
That doesn’t sound correct and It doesn’t mean it’s not possible
jolly sierra
before the arguing w equinoxx and the discussion we had with drakebraker double dagger doubt a lot is a thing about "spout lies" or just heavy convictions
or when a pve player here told u assa is performing like shit after the nerfs an u just said "nah is fine"
is not to attack u dude, but u, like me, have very heavy convictions about ur perspective
potent pivot
Well there’s perspective, and there’s false information
I always try to base my comments on factual information
jolly sierra
is false is there are not evidence about people using it about that score u said?
is using 2 drakebraker bad because u don't like it and people thinks is trolling?
potent pivot
Yes because I’ve seen it myself
potent pivot
is using 2 drakebraker bad because u don't like it and people thinks is trolling...
That’s a simple math situation. It’s not an opinion
jolly sierra
then if is math u have checked the dmg in finishers is better, right?
potent pivot
No, because it isn’t that simple
jolly sierra
why not?
potent pivot
MH dps matters for everything
People just see “sec tech does biggest number”
It’s not that simple
jolly sierra
and both are evis and sectech
worthy crag
your generators and autos will do a little less
potent pivot
Yeah everything else does less
worthy crag
so at that point you decide which you prefer
potent pivot
and both are evis and sectech
Still not that simple
potent pivot
so at that point you decide which you prefer
jolly sierra
sub playstyle is based in burst windows
u can pick both options, are ok
not 'trolling" as u said
xd
unborn portal
potent pivot
Nah
abstract brook
when you go into an arena and target 1 2 3 do they match the frames
like your gladius frames
unborn portal
They should
unborn portal
I use gladiusex
jolly sierra
how many brewmasters have u seen in shuffle now?
potent pivot
I’ve only seen more mw so far
jolly sierra
meh as always
potent pivot
Only did a couple shuffles yesterday tho
jolly sierra
me 0, im not in the mood
worthy crag
probably more common in 3s than shuffle
potent pivot
Yeah
Liquid and some others been qing it
I feel like it doesn’t work as well for liquid with DK
jolly sierra
a surv
potent pivot
Yeah I don’t think any of those actually hard counter rogue
Surv counters assa
Not sub really
worthy crag
DK lobbies can be bad in shitty tight maps like blades edge
arms is pretty hard lobby
potent pivot
Rdrui kinda counters sub
Just makes it kinda miserable if they know what they’re doing
jolly sierra
demo locks matches are disgusting too
potent pivot
Yeah anything that’s more zugzug is going to feel harder to deal with as rogue
Since we have little self healing etc
But with a good healer and good play I don’t think any of them are considered a hard counter
jolly sierra
oof
imagine that when u are climbing and u reach 1400-1800 ladder
healers are very prone to blame u because they are not using their defs or drops them when u are at 10%
sharp sierra
overlapping cds is the worst problem
sharp sierra
solo shuffle is basically lol ranked
jolly sierra
sometimes u can bubble, they will use cocoon
if u don't they will say
"bUBbLE?" or "vANisH?"
depends of your luck too
potent pivot
imagine that when u are climbing and u reach 1400-1800 ladder
Yeah I’m speaking more about 3v3 direct counters if play is perfect, shuffle and climbing create different scenarios :p
Very different game 
potent pivot
healbot type healers are very strong
Yeah and out ranging ass pillar ass run away in cat or bear form ass
Like MW is way easier to deal with I feel than rdru for sub
minor cape
i also dont really like playing vs resto sham and mw but they are not that good rn so its fine
potent pivot
They can just die in a stun
potent pivot
Hots?
minor cape
they have some shit they place on the ground
that heals
mw healing on the ground isnt killable right?
or is my life a lie
potent pivot
minor cape
🥹
also many classes dont really give a shit about coccoon
they just switch
and as sub its not so easy
tawny kestrel
Surv counters assa
survival doesnt counter assa anymore tbh
they all hold mending bandage for deathmark
so u dont rly get fucked other than roots i guess
tawny kestrel
Rdrui kinda counters sub
rdruid gets counterened by sub
tawny kestrel
well both
every1 hates facing assa
just on about sub rn cus notrickz said rdruid counters sub
minor cape
rogues healing reduction just generally makes healers feel pain
i think
and being ccd half the game
severe hazel
how do the sub guys out here approach solo shuffle in general? just press buttons asap? cc only? i feel like its hard to set stuff up.
fierce laurel
Open hard with sap or blind then going dps when your other dps is going.
Every 25 seconds I try to kidney healer and cs dps cs kill target.
Disarm, gouge, kick, rupture while you’re waiting on stun dr gos.
potent pivot
who
palu. maybe less of a hard counter idk but they can def aids you and out range your step/pillar hug hard
severe hazel
@fierce laurel thx
worthy crag
Depends on the comp and the map as well
If ur a sub facing double caster rdruid in tolviron then yeah you are gonna have a rough time
If its a narrow map where you can actually be in step range to the healer its easier
winged pike
i mean making 1 bad trade is often auto gg into sub comps as rdruid
the rdru cleaves on na were refusing to even queue into it
they see sub and log off
esp like when it was hella ret warr rdru last season
genuinely unwinnable for them
jaunty mirage
survival doesnt counter assa anymore tbh
yeah definitely doesnt feel much like a counter anymore
waxen meteor
btw, it seems my bug is confirmed
as a commonly reported one
(not able to use socket on pvp items)
echo canyon
can someone please explain why some people play with Reverberation + Danse & Rotten?
on top no SecTec
but CB
talking about solo shuffle specifically
fierce laurel
Cs evis er cb evis is similar to sec tec but more reliable.
And if you go rotten you get it every 30 instead of 45.
echo canyon
so you should be using vanish right? '
Isn't it weaker to secure kills though or is my playstyle much different?
@fierce laurel wouldn't I use CB with Reverberation?
river hare
Hey guys, I've been playing for about a month now and decided to try PVP. I'm currently Sub spec for pve and was wondering is Sin or Sub better for PVP and the rotations for them. I know it varies depending on the game for rotations but i'm looking for the simple or most common rotations
copper gazelle
Are there any youtubes with a good explanation of how to deathmark? I keep hearing that its op, its awesome, etc, but haven't seen a basic guide on maximizing it. I just started rogue last week, and it never seems to do much for me. Mostly just baits CDs I guess.
Or is it really only good once you have 4pc?
sharp sierra
What’s the best addon for cd numbers? The blizz default ones are horrible. One they reach single digits i can’t even see what they say most of the time.
copper gazelle
What’s the best addon for cd numbers? The blizz default ones are horrible. One t...
OmniCD is lightweight and well maintained.
copper gazelle
OmniCD is lightweight and well maintained.
and you can adjust the font size, color, and whether or not it gives you a flash, and what decimal place ytou want etc..
sharp sierra
Thank you
copper gazelle
Wait so its not actually the Deathmark itself that is so threatening, its the duplicated dots. So I AM getting value, but its coming under other spell names, no dm.. /facepalm
potent pivot
Yep
wicked rampart
Wait so its not actually the Deathmark itself that is so threatening, its the du...
You'll see a second instance of everything in details so it's a bit easier to quantify how much you are actually getting out of it, but yea the actual DM dot itself is almost nothing
unborn portal
Yeah it’s like a second assa rogue with same gear just applied the exacts bleeds you had on em
If that helps picture what’s going on
jolly sierra
wtf does mean when u are from defias brotherhood? lol
warm lance
Hes cooler than us
jaunty mirage
He’s from the streets
potent pivot
wtf does mean when u are from defias brotherhood? lol
It’s the badge for supporting Ravenholdt through Patreon
warm lance
Supporting the Ravenholdt makes you cooler
tacit crane
Is AP being played?
uneven grove
sometimes u can bubble, they will use cocoon
it's always better when dps uses CDs first
and 2nd go healers
if ur healer has to burn everything in first 15 sec cus dps refused to press
game is lost
jolly sierra
if ur healer has to burn everything in first 15 sec cus dps refused to press
happens
jolly sierra
if ur healer has to burn everything in first 15 sec cus dps refused to press
we had someone like that once, so we deleted insta any dps when he was against us
btw, have u tried brewmaster?
jolly sierra
F
uneven grove
if dps queue would be reasonable i would probably stay
potent pivot
Is AP being played?
not very much
uneven grove
or maybe i just should go full m+ pve, i like that content too
jolly sierra
u can try
blizzard is so useless than, even when they are aware of the issue, they didn't found the solution yet
think they found the thing which makes queue times so long, but no solution yet
tribal bay
if dps queue would be reasonable i would probably stay
Yeah. This is a problem i'm also facing
I've been trying out different healers, but i don't think healings my thing.
jolly sierra
but the thing is
why shuffle rated was so fast in prepatch
but now is like a turtle
uneven grove
I've been trying out different healers, but i don't think healings my thing.
i am 1680 on my MW monk
but it is super boring
since when i stop healing everyone just dying
uneven grove
yes, it feels like a cheap WW with broken healing
i would like regular MW if dampening and shit wouldn't be obnoxious in SS
tribal bay
but now is like a turtle
pre-patcj and start of xpac hype, which has now died down
jolly sierra
:/
uneven grove
literally i only can go for a sweep or incap if the enemy team is total pepega
and deal zero damage, no pressure
tribal bay
i would like regular MW if dampening and shit wouldn't be obnoxious in SS
yeah thats why disc works so well in SS
uneven grove
yeah but they also not addressing it
tribal bay
the extra pressure from damage dampens the healer pretty fast
uneven grove
but BrM will be nerfed by next week probably
i don't want to make an essay about my crying, but i legit think wow should be played pve, or hard pve + some pvp, just doing hardcore pvp gets me zero fun
potent pivot
i think they could address some of the underlying issues with pvp and show it more attention and creativity to make it more popular
uneven grove
bfa season4 i only played 1 char since gearing was ass, but i legit enjoyed the game more, played m+ hard af + pushed arena when i didn't have team for m+
potent pivot
for the majority of people the goal is just hit 1800 and stop
tribal bay
m+ gets so boring so fast
potent pivot
i feel like that could be iterated upon
jolly sierra
i still recalled when got the mechagon bracers in SL s4
tribal bay
i got 2200 in just over a week in m+ then couldnt stand that shit any more
uneven grove
for the majority of people the goal is just hit 1800 and stop
yeah, no joke the SL season1 2.1k+ gear upgrade was insane, but ladder was sooo fun
tribal bay
i dont know how people are still grinding
potent pivot
i got 2200 in just over a week in m+ then couldnt stand that shit any more
were you pugging?
uneven grove
everyone wanted to push
jolly sierra
were useful af for pvp
tribal bay
were you pugging?
it was a mix between pugging and guild runs with the bois
potent pivot
m+ gets much more fun with friends/push group doing 20+ keys
but i don't care for it much either tbh
tribal bay
yeah i think i did a few timed 18s then just stopped
and the fact every time my key turned into a DF dungeon i got depressed
potent pivot
uneven grove
tbh key should be what u want
u cleared +20 whatever dungeon, then u can go +21 same dungeon anytime u want
potent pivot
well if key level worked that way
uneven grove
i hate the key system, waste of time most of the time
potent pivot
people would just degen repeat keys until timing higher and higher
uneven grove
especially when u hardcore pushing, fail a good key, then u have to push it back
tribal bay
yeah im not a fan of they key system either but i think what you're suggesting everyone would just do CoS and SBG all day
potent pivot
yep
tribal bay
when i was upgrading my gear and needed concentrated primal focus i legit just applied for +16 cos and would smash 10 of those in a row
potent pivot
they have to kinda force input some sort of variety/rng into it
tribal bay
honestly i love wow
but im keen to see what riot come up with
has potential to be the only other MMO with good pvp
uneven grove
i like wow too, but the fact i put 2k+ hours into lost ark easily last year
potent pivot
yeah i am too but i just don't think anything will ever really compare to wow's character control and combat
potent pivot
ff14 has potential but the pvp is meh
tribal bay
ff14 is really fun if you just want to raid
the pvp is actually so bad
the raids are so good tho and class design is really good
having every class on 1 character is the best
uneven grove
lost ark pvp is really good, but matchmaking is not good, and pvp playerbase is not much
it's 3v3 full equalized content
tribal bay
anything p2w is an immediate turn off for me
same
uneven grove
i played f2p and cleared everything easily
uneven grove
and the mythic equvailent raid is equalized too
idk why blizz didn't do that with world 1st race
potent pivot
wait then what's the point of their gear and p2w
uneven grove
make mythic a challenge mode with equalized gear
uneven grove
wait then what's the point of their gear and p2w
flexing in regular raid, or flexing in guild vs guild pvp
nothing more
tribal bay
but the thing with gear is
potent pivot
unless regular raid has better rewards or something
tribal bay
its the thing thats hitting your dopamine reward system
if they take that out of the game they take away the addiction
sounds harsh but its true
tribal bay
how tho
uneven grove
but i find it fine to push further
tribal bay
if its all equalized at end game
potent pivot
idk i've always gotten way more of a rush from overcoming a challenge than getting a piece of gear i grinded 10 hours for
but ig diff strokes for diff folks
tribal bay
yeah thats true
uneven grove
if its all equalized at end game
you overgear and u can solo raids and carry 7 other people, or 6 for gold
tribal bay
but at the same time getting a juicy piece of BiS from vault or raid feels pretty good too
potent pivot
if its all equalized at end game
i think the way he's explaining it there's regular raid OR equalized raid
there's gotta be some diff no?
uneven grove
but at the same time getting a juicy piece of BiS from vault or raid feels prett...
i hate vault from the bottom of my heart
tribal bay
vault was the only good thing from shadowlands
do you remember the chest
from bfa
that thing was janky as hell
potent pivot
i don't think i ever got a piece of gear i got insanely excited over
and i had 2 mythic sylvanas daggers
like yeah getting them was dope af
uneven grove
i think the way he's explaining it there's regular raid OR equalized raid
yep, there is normal raid, hard raid, both doable f2p if you skilled and build a good character, and there is inferno which is harder and everyone is equalized, same ilvl, same bonuses, same skillpoints, you make a template for yourself
potent pivot
but actually downing mythic sylvanas was tremendous