pvp

[chrome schooner]

Then I reformed

[plucky sage]

I don't have time for that many alts anyway, I play the druid and the rogue and that's it. But I get what you're saying and understand your logic. It used to be the case

When I had an alt army

I guess I'll try emfh on shift mod of my medallion

[proper heath]

Racist keybind

[sonic vault]

i believe you can make a macro that uses both the racial and trinket, so that you are always using the correct one when CCd. for example is WotF is the first line of the macro, it will cast that during fear, sleep, etc. if stunned it will use the trinket

[sharp sierra]

[chrome schooner]

Such a macro fails when you need to trinket soft CC

Such as Disarm

[plucky sage]

That would be handy. I feel like this would probably be a WA/Addon no? Like the tricks on tank thing

[chrome schooner]

It will use human/undead then instead of trinket

And then you're on CD

And you cry

[plucky sage]

Ha indeed. But worth a search on wago I reckon

Nothing.

[chrome schooner]

The optimal way is to have two keybinds, you won't escape it!

[sonic vault]

oh, i didnt think about disarm and CC where racial is available but shouldnt be used

[plucky sage]

I'll just sort all that out when I get my mmo mouse back next month

[long shore]

hey guys, does anyone know how the talent dark brew works for Sub? it still shows my Rupture dmg on details as physical instead of it becoming "Shadow dmg" like the tooltip says

[chrome schooner]

Details is just an addon

Doesn't necessarily take into account the fact that Dark Brew changs Rupture

It does deal Shadow damage with the correct talent

[long shore]

ahhh u are right

so dark brew does make rupture shadow damage, and wound poison into shadow too

[chrome schooner]

Yeah

[sharp sierra]

ss is so stressful and honestly not worth it

melee zug zugers training, breaking cc

2s gets me higher rating with less weird shit

[waxen meteor]

cheat death is a insurance when anyone makes a mistake or there's random big dmg from any random opponent or there's some miscollaration between yourself and healer

all are common in solo

[tepid willow]

I heard you wanted a storm bolt on your blind

[sharp sierra]

stormbolt before a full kidney

and we lose the kill

[tepid willow]

woohoo!!!

[sharp sierra]

👍

[wise breach]

Yeah, I think I'm just going to make two

[jolly sierra]

for me cheat death never triggers and just straight die

[potent pivot]

[nova viper]

sub playable?

[graceful ravine]

ironically i spam feint regardless LOL

with or without the talent

when im being trained

but its harder to measure it's success

with cheat death, you can see when it procs and you win the game

easy to coorelate cheat death = victory

[waxen meteor]

You literally can do something else while in queue

I completely go do something off when i am in queue nowadays

[fierce laurel]

Do what?

[graceful ravine]

stretch

[waxen meteor]

Work/Life/anything

[graceful ravine]

short work out

[waxen meteor]

I think most of us have multiple monitors

[fierce laurel]

Oh. My computer is in a spot I can’t really get to quickly

[waxen meteor]

So like these days, when i queue, i just go do whateever i need to do in another monitor

play healer then

[waxen meteor]

Like in IT industry, there are always plenty of work to do and quite flexible schedule within a day.
Lots of times even at night, I just start queue and start working, putting wow at background. Jump to arena when queue pops

[plucky sage]

Ugh feels so bad that I spent conquest on crit Vers outlaw gear

[graceful ravine]

doesnt matter in 3 days dw

[plucky sage]

Would have been way smarter to go Vers mastery and be able to play sub/assa, outlaw is really not vibing for me in PvP

[plucky sage]

What why

[graceful ravine]

unlimited conq on tuesday

[plucky sage]

Oh uncapped conquest you mean

Ya but

You're assuming all I do is PvP! Lol

But yeah fair enough I guess I can farm new set

[waxen meteor]

when there's no cap, it's very quick to farm conquer

[plucky sage]

Not that I've ever hit cap this expansion

[waxen meteor]

like even you do one solo win a day, it's 1400 a week. plus some random activities, you can hit 2000 a week without any main effort

[plucky sage]

Yeah fair enough

For now I just do skirmish bg and epic BG every day

On 2 chars

[waxen meteor]

and there's something called RBG

where you can farm more

[plucky sage]

Don't like playing SS in blues because I feel like I just melt

[graceful ravine]

i was doing 2s on my alt rogue last night 1000-1700 bracket climb, i swear it was the hardest 1500 climb ive ever done

[waxen meteor]

what you need to do is just lose to a low MMR and sweep a easy quick win each day

[plucky sage]

Never tried it, guess I should though

[graceful ravine]

every 3rd game was a dude on a glad mount

[fierce laurel]

Just find a 0cr 2s partner in lfg and get 3000 conq per hour.

[plucky sage]

Lol

I'm not "whining".. jeez

[graceful ravine]

not sure whats up with this season but these games feel brutal at low mmr

[waxen meteor]

I need to know how to finish 8 chars at lv70 that quick

when there are only 300 characters playing 2s at peak hours, it's brutal

[graceful ravine]

its literally just glads on their alts

[plucky sage]

I'm also not some pro that can just win low rated SS games for free, still pretty crap at arena in general

[waxen meteor]

and imagine how many of the 300 chars are alts because how easy it is this season to raise alt

[graceful ravine]

i wonder if pvp devs disabled inflation on purpose to push everybody towards SS

to show more player population

for new feature

[waxen meteor]

single queue is the trend of world games nowadays

nothing you can do

game has to adapt to it

[graceful ravine]

no one wants to do 2v2 or 3v3 if youre stuck 1500-1800 cos of glad alts

[waxen meteor]

fewer and fewer would want to make appointment to play together as well

it's the era to use pieces of time instead of a big chunk of focus time

due to friend/family/society or whatever

if solo queue is shorter, that would be even more popular

potentially kill the normal arenas

imagine if DPS queue is 5 mins per game

[sharp sierra]

outlaw is boring

and its forced to be "good"

because fuck rogues

but a 500k warlock can have a wall that takes 2 people to break

🧌

[waxen meteor]

I kinda unlike outlaw because it feels a bit like playing a warrior

then why not just playing a warrior

[graceful ravine]

i love outlaw when its good

the feeling of being invincible and never dying

[waxen meteor]

I want to play priest more than ever now

I sitll have a valid 0-60 ticket to use

[summer plinth]

I wish more people were this nice in a solo shuffle. I went 2-4 on my rogue in a lobby against a spriest, destro lock, and frost mage and this healer was super supportive and positive.

usually i get flamed after these matches

[waxen meteor]

yeah it's good to be nice

i never bitch on anyone in solo

even if the person got 0-5 and everybody complaining on him/her

[summer plinth]

Yeah. Same.

[waxen meteor]

I had 0-6s

could be just a bad game, could be just a bad day

[summer plinth]

I have definitely had my fair share of those where I just get a flood of nasty whispers after

Esp on my rogue

[waxen meteor]

And sometimes kind word reward you more then these useless complains

like if they got 0-5, they don't know they didn't perform well

[graceful ravine]

the only ppl that complains about 0-6 is the healers cos theyre 3-3 lol

all the dps would be 4-2 and they should be glad

[waxen meteor]

I mostly will just say we will get this, let's do this, this, this, here's the game plan, let's do that

if it works out, fine

if it doesn't, it doesn't

yeah significant amount of warriors never wait

50.3k dps

[tawny kestrel]

assa can do almost the same

but with more utility

[waxen meteor]

I don't know, I can't even reach 50.3k at dummies

could you guide us

[tawny kestrel]

almost as i said haha

i did 41.4k yday vs dh sp evoked

evoker*

[waxen meteor]

if it's a short game

it's possible

[tawny kestrel]

it was over almost 8 mil damage

[chrome schooner]

no

even on a long game with dots on 3 targets

you can do it np

[waxen meteor]

I have a very big issue to maintain bleeding on 3 targets and do kidney

and also they have to stay fairly close in positions

but again i ain't top dog

trying to learn

[chrome schooner]

you play comps that allow for this gameplay tho

sp rogue, destro rogue

[waxen meteor]

yeah okay at organized 3s

[chrome schooner]

oh I mean in shuffle with those or with melees you cna too, everyone is stacked upon each other

[graceful ravine]

is sp rogue a rot comp?

[tawny kestrel]

yes

you can play it like one

depends what you face really

[waxen meteor]

you actually maintain rupture and garrote on 3 targets?

I mean despite the CD of garrot, it’s a lot of CP consumed

I feel hard to give enough kidney in this case

[graceful ravine]

would you dot the healer too? pikas team play rps like rmp with cc chains, rarely dots on 2nd/3rd target

[chrome schooner]

Kidney on dr but in between you dot people

it lasts for a long time

[graceful ravine]

but they might be too high iq to replicate

[tawny kestrel]

depends what you face

on eu no one plays paladin

but idk NA games seem so shit

maybe it’s just different

[waxen meteor]

Hpal pvp discord says they don’t understand why they are still being played in NA haha

[tawny kestrel]

ye it’s awful

there’s a reason the na games are 1 minute

cus hpala sucks

[agile pasture]

bubble sac pls win

[waxen meteor]

But some did jump out and say with rogue sp, hpal indeed is good

[tawny kestrel]

it’s not bad

but don’t think it’s the best

disc and rdruid are both nice

[waxen meteor]

Not sure about double priests

Probably they just want to avoid double classes

[tawny kestrel]

purge is rly big vs a lot of the meta comps

so it’s good

[waxen meteor]

But I get you thoguh

[graceful ravine]

LOL

thats hilarious

[waxen meteor]

I started to watch some youtubers these days for pvp

[harsh widget]

does anyone know if there is an option to prioritize "crowd control" auras with Threatplates like BigDebuffs does? Currently if I Garrote (out of Stealth) > Kidney the silence from Garrote stays on top of Kidney.

[graceful ravine]

and sad

[waxen meteor]

I feel pikaboo is the most enjoyable to watch

probably also his reaction and tones

on top of the games

passionate but not over dramatic

[graceful ravine]

tad of sarcasm too

the xaryu and pika vids are bis

[plucky sage]

Any outlaw players for PvP here? Since 10.0.5 in PvE we finish at 6 or 7 cp

But the pvp builds typically are only 6cp, am I safe to finish at 5? Or should I always aim for 6? For example I hit Pistol Shot, takes me to 5cp and I have audacity up. Do I finish then ambush or ambush for that 1 CP and then finish?

[fierce laurel]

What they mean is Max-1.

So yes 5/6.

[plucky sage]

Ah ok ok

Ah that's gonna feel so much better

I kept ambushing at 5 thinking I need 6, felt like so many wasted CP

[plucky sage]

Sorry to necro, but is Luminosity just playing hpala because Brain is a Pala god? They seemed so dominant..

Just feels like it can't be that bad if top NA team at AWC stomped their way through to finals

[tawny kestrel]

pretty sure NA just thinks pala is insane

[plucky sage]

😅

[lusty heath]

i honestly cant hear this gunshot sound/effect for every kill anymore - it became a physical cringe

[jolly sierra]

sound like clip

however i agree w bow new sounds when shooting, i practised archery and sounds exact like that

[warped anchor]

does regular feint (without talent) help with death sweep/blade dance?

as its aoe but does more damage to the main target

[jolly sierra]

yes

is still aoe

second burst window

crap thinking in not playing seriously today

because spanish is my first language

i like more the voice acting in spanish kek

[plucky sage]

I'd struggle so hard. I'm a french speaker but client is in English because I honestly can't be fucked reading a bis list or watching people talk about talents and needing to translate them all

[jolly sierra]

ah i translate it by myself and search it in wowhead later

[plucky sage]

That's a step I'm willing to skip 😅

Es lo mismo

It's just colloquial lingo and the S that changes

[jolly sierra]

EU spanish

na spanish is awful

[plucky sage]

I learned Spanish in Venezuela and am perfectly fine understanding EU Spanish people

[jolly sierra]

one thing is understand

the other is if u like it

XD

[plucky sage]

I don't like theta

I prefer seta

[jolly sierra]

me neither, im living in chile currently and venezuelans are more common

[plucky sage]

Venezuelans have an annoying aspiration thing

[plucky sage]

Nice, Chile is so beautiful

[jolly sierra]

but volatile af

but anyways, we can argue voice acting in EU is better than NA in this context

[plucky sage]

Yea well most of SA is

[spark egret]

Guys I've lost my mind

[plucky sage]

Possibly but it's whatever

[graceful ravine]

is there a consistent way to know who party123 is?

[plucky sage]

What's cheap shot called in Spanish?

[potent pivot]

[plucky sage]

Your gladius arranges them down in 123

[jolly sierra]

golpe bajo

[plucky sage]

Top is 1 bottom is 3

[potent pivot]

[plucky sage]

Hahahah makes sense

[jolly sierra]

the thing is

[graceful ravine]

i.. use elvui for party frames with myself hidden...

[plucky sage]

You're from South America?

[jolly sierra]

if im playing panda almost all sessions prefer to hear her better

[plucky sage]

Oof, ElvUI blows man

[spark egret]

Ban me

[jolly sierra]

instead muting

[spark egret]

[graceful ravine]

love elvui

been using it for a decade, will never go back

[potent pivot]

No. But I still don’t appreciate generalizations about entire peoples

It’s cringe

[spark egret]

Trickz

What's going on

[graceful ravine]

the mouse came in, its sick

[wicked rampart]

IIRC there is an addon that forces party sorting a certain way

[plucky sage]

I used it for years, then changed to default with add-ons and it's way better for me. ElvUI aesthetic is so bland

[potent pivot]

[wicked rampart]

But I can't remember the name of it atm

[plucky sage]

I agree, especially an entire continent

[potent pivot]

Glad you like it

[graceful ravine]

disable the g-button on the ring finger for now tho... i used to having that finger held down

feel like ill press it by accident

[plucky sage]

What mouse you get?

[graceful ravine]

logitech g600

[plucky sage]

I have Logitech mmo mouse back in South Africa, getting it back next month

[potent pivot]

It takes getting used to but I actually never press it accidentally

[plucky sage]

Will make 123 targeting possible for me again

Struggling so hard with just focus

[jolly sierra]

even SA players are complaining about this XP voice acting

[potent pivot]

I think the third button actually takes a little more weight to press

[jolly sierra]

and switched languages

[graceful ravine]

honestly if theres 1 way i need to improve with gameplay, its step kick123 buttons

i dont get the kick fast enough

[plucky sage]

Lol

[potent pivot]

I just go through them in my head before every match like “warrior is 1, DH is 2, etc”

[wicked rampart]

Wtf is this brewmaster nonsense in the EU cup rn

[graceful ravine]

focus kick is easier in 2s cos you dont need to swap focus that often

but in 3s you do

[jolly sierra]

i just got killed by a BM as WW

[plucky sage]

Yeah for me it's just in general too. 123 cyclone and 123 stun or roots just so much easier

[graceful ravine]

but swapping focus, then stepkicking, while not getting faked out, all within 1.5 seconds

my brain cant do it

[jolly sierra]

the guy disoriented all my FoF

[plucky sage]

Yeah for sure, that's why I'm hating solo shuffle rn switching focus all the time and still not as fast as insta 123 step kick

Or blind

[graceful ravine]

i use stepkick123 now but is slow with it, i need a second to register which 123 each player is

but by then the cast is over

blind123 is easier cos youre not on a time limit of a cast bar

[fierce laurel]

Is gladius arranged 1,2,3?

[plucky sage]

Ya seriously just disable the ElvUI one and use Sarena or gladius

It'd automatically arranged

[jolly sierra]

https://www.doblajevideojuegos.es/doblaje/9409

the VA in EU spanish sound like this

[graceful ravine]

i have this now so hopefully itll help? lmao

made it so big

cant miss it right

[plucky sage]

For party, you can just configure party 1 and party 2 in game options, even ElvUI should arrange just two players as 1 and 2 so you can step them to bail out or whatever

[jolly sierra]

are u sure is a good idea to do that instead watching who is 123 in targets?

[plucky sage]

I saw you did. I still prefer the arena frames for it, easier to visualize once the match starts, for me personally

Also I see cast in the arena frames, I immediately know what button I need to kick that

[graceful ravine]

i need a stepkick training lobby

like those FPS games

lmao

[jolly sierra]

skirmishes tho

well is more stable

[plucky sage]

Sounds like anime dubbed in Spanish

[jolly sierra]

kek

fitting

[plucky sage]

French voices would piss me off

I hate french dubs of films

[jolly sierra]

i dislike spanish dubs in series and movies, usually watch in original language

[plucky sage]

But I mean even English wow has crap voice actors. Kalecgos makes me want to end the blue dragonflight

[jolly sierra]

but rlly like it in games

[jolly sierra]

or sendrax

[plucky sage]

Probaby more tolerable yeah

[plucky sage]

Yeah her too holy fuck

Glad she died

[jolly sierra]

sendrax sounds like an anime kawaii girl

[plucky sage]

But Brenna

Ugh

Brenna is disgusting

Sounds like a total dumbass

[jolly sierra]

do u recall jale rivermane?

ppl even turned off sound

[plucky sage]

Nope

Ahahahahah

Where is he?

Or her

[jolly sierra]

an old lady in highmountain from quests

[plucky sage]

Oh, wasn't here for legion

I'll go find her a after this BG

[jolly sierra]

kk

[plucky sage]

Fuck, it's Ashran 😒

[jolly sierra]

in english fempanda sounds too deep

F

[spark egret]

Ashran big honor

Unless they fuck you

If you can get your PvE quest done

[plucky sage]

Ya we are winning

So it's okay, easy 1500 quest

[jolly sierra]

just checked sims for raid in overall dps performance

assa is too low in the chart

maybe we will get xsang buffed again lol

[potent pivot]

Assa isn’t that bad in pve

[potent pivot]

Yeah that’s pointless to look at

Assa has some of the best ST boss damage in the game

[jolly sierra]

boss dmg

poor WW lol

[vague summit]

ST is kinda uselsss in the raid

there's one fight thats ST

[vague summit]

Sin is in a rough spot

they nerfed it too much

[jolly sierra]

yep

[potent pivot]

Except boss damage is important on almost every fight lol

Assa is really good on multiple fights

It just can’t pad the meters, it’s not a big deal

[minor cape]

guys

whats the ability that makes you unable to disarm dk?

is it that blue 8 sec one

that also makes him unstunable and shit

[jolly sierra]

icebound

[minor cape]

thank you

[jolly sierra]

np

[minor cape]

i got destroyed by fdk

not destroyed but 3-3

[jolly sierra]

its something

but only makes inmune to stuns

not disarms

[minor cape]

so no disarm immunity on dk?

[jolly sierra]

nope

[minor cape]

i see nice

i just never played vs fdk xd

[jolly sierra]

frost is way more countereable than UH

cuz their cds are very noticeable

empower runeblade and icy pillar

[spark egret]

What's the addon where you can see big CDs next to the name plates

[jolly sierra]

nameplatecooldowns

[fierce laurel]

Plus frost needs a weapon to use most of their damage

Uh doesn’t

[fierce laurel]

Yeah the 10 ghouls and being death gripped by limb are hard to notice sometimes.

[waxen meteor]

oh nice to know

so disarm doesn't do much for unholy and ww?

[jolly sierra]

ww just disables fof

UH yeah, will trinket sometimes too

for example in empower can trinket it

and if u disarm them they cant heal themselves

[plucky sage]

Depends on the build, they have a lot of options for pvp

But unholy frenzy/wound build defs relies on weap

[waxen meteor]

some of the frost DK seems solid in survival

not sure if it's the healer being super good or sth, don't find great positioning and so on

but i didn't run into many frost DK

and i think most frost DKs i run into are all playing second spec for fun..

[minor cape]

yup cause frostbound give good dr

and they have more hp right?

and they have that magic absorb

which is not all subs damage but some of it surely is

and i think some passive dr but im not sure

[jolly sierra]

had a leaver

won 26 cr

not bad, free mmr too

[minor cape]

i dont know why

but leaver games give you big mmr boost

if you win

maybe just my experience

idk

[jolly sierra]

maybe is because he fully loses 150 cr

and u had a big victory ratio in proportion

[waxen meteor]

i think it's just based on the finisehd games?

[minor cape]

y but like

recently i did a 3-0

[jolly sierra]

for example w this frost mage which left

[minor cape]

and it boosted me 100mmr

but just 25cr

[jolly sierra]

i had 3/4 games won, the guy left insta before 5th game started

[waxen meteor]

yeah because you do a 3-0 then someone leaves, it counts probably really like 60

your CR boost is linked to your MMR before change, not MMR after

[jolly sierra]

then is fine

[minor cape]

yeah i know

[waxen meteor]

so after you gain 100 MMR and 25 CR, even you do a 3-3 next time, you gain CR

even 2-4 most times

[jolly sierra]

happens

[minor cape]

but its like

[jolly sierra]

2-4 can give u 10 cr

[minor cape]

mmr gets boosted by rounds

by proportion*

but cr by rounds

in leaver situations

idk

[minor cape]

when my mmr > my cr and i go 2-4 my mmr becomes = my cr

[waxen meteor]

in the blue post, blizzard explained the MMR adjustment after a person leaves will be weighted based on games finished

[jolly sierra]

once i left by curiosity when i left blade edge's loading

i lost 150 cr

but the mmr stayed the same

was like 1 week ago

[minor cape]

so you only loose cr on leaves?

[jolly sierra]

seems like

[minor cape]

i mean honestly its better to lose 150 cr than 100 mmr so

xd

[jolly sierra]

at least happens when u alt f4 the screen

dunno inside

[minor cape]

i thinj mmr < cr is what people refer to as elo hell

[waxen meteor]

probably they somehow have a algorithm to tell drop offline and quitter

that's too good to be true though

[jolly sierra]

at least it happened to me

[minor cape]

nah, it's easy to tell

[jolly sierra]

and took back the CR very quickly

[minor cape]

you just left on round 0

thats why no mmr loss

if you left with 0-4 you would loose a lot

[jolly sierra]

then in summary

is better for MMR to have a ragequitter which u triggered?

[minor cape]

if you win yes

[jolly sierra]

nice

[minor cape]

kill assas rogue 3 times in shadowy duel let him know the pain

make him rage quit

yes yes yes

kidney bomb the hunter

yeees yeeeeeeees

[jolly sierra]

formerly i was dumb enough to don't realize shadow techniques was a delayed dmg ability

[minor cape]

still as assas hard to counter

[jolly sierra]

so i was unaware that would kill me later than insta

after that i just used some defensive

become very smooth

[minor cape]

assa games are so easy tbh

as sub

[jolly sierra]

yeah

sub is a hard counter

[minor cape]

cause at one point they have nothing

also mm hunter games

[jolly sierra]

now im starting to use to start doing dmg at start

[minor cape]

the way assas rogue can counter sub is by getting his trinket and doing kidney on shadowy duel

[jolly sierra]

the garrote is boosted w stealth, so

[jolly sierra]

or disarm

[minor cape]

disarm can be trinketed too

thats why forcing trinket is must have or you die on assas

[jolly sierra]

once i survived a duel cuz used panda racial to gouge

and run behind the pillar to end phasing

[minor cape]

honestly assas is the only class i really know how to play against

[minor cape]

panda racial op

[jolly sierra]

rlly?

[minor cape]

also hunter

pally is understandable

amd casters too

[jolly sierra]

what about dhs?

[minor cape]

thats the one i have problems with

[jolly sierra]

u can bypass blur w cheap shot

[minor cape]

like its really hard to get his defensives and kidney bomb the dude

[waxen meteor]

but DH blur works even during stun...

[minor cape]

yup

[waxen meteor]

that's different from ours...

[minor cape]

🥹

[jolly sierra]

ask @graceful ravine how he counters dhs as sub

[minor cape]

like his defensives are so fast cd

[waxen meteor]

you can cs DH during blur but it doesn't mean you can kill him

[jolly sierra]

as 3k cr lol

[minor cape]

that he just has defensive on my every go

[waxen meteor]

darkness is something you can probably ignore

because it's only 20% evasion

[minor cape]

he also has that ability that makes him immune to like all the shit

[waxen meteor]

blur is what you don't want to waste kidney cd one

and major cd

[minor cape]

you know

sometimes got to yolo

[jolly sierra]

nether walk?

[waxen meteor]

nether walk cannot be enabled during stun

[minor cape]

and kidney blur

[jolly sierra]

are u sure u can dodge stunned w blur?

[waxen meteor]

95% certain

[minor cape]

pretty sure

[waxen meteor]

blur works also when you attack from behind

ours doesn't

[jolly sierra]

need to check, times i've had him stunned i was able to do everything

[minor cape]

bullshit ability

[waxen meteor]

it's 50% only, so you could have lucky shots

[minor cape]

dh has stuns banish

huge burst

and also can deal sustained

but nerf rogue

and then his blur is 1min cd

but evasion which is worse 2min

[waxen meteor]

tbh it's similar skills but different play style

[minor cape]

zug life

[jolly sierra]

i'll ask a pve friend if he has a dh

and try leg sweep stun

[waxen meteor]

and also top of the 50% evasion from blur

it also contain general damage reduction

[jolly sierra]

20%

like feint

[waxen meteor]

CS is a good point but it's not best time to kill

[jolly sierra]

the pve friend agreed

lemme check the dodges

[waxen meteor]

Pandas are normally luckier

[minor cape]

you know whats also bullshit

[waxen meteor]

[minor cape]

dude just dots you

randomly

😡😡

and we have to build cp for rupture

ehhhhhh

[waxen meteor]

Dh doesn't have garrote 🙂

but they do have aura

in general surely it's way less target switch for aoe

sometimes DK can create a crazy condition for DH to do AoE

[jolly sierra]

checked

was just a luck streak

tried w orc monk

[jolly sierra]

+10 if u use a lucky shirt

[minor cape]

orc monk is funny af

for some reason

[fierce laurel]

The worst is when he dodges your evis and rupture it actually spends your cp anyway

[jolly sierra]

F

got a wizard match w monk

i will die

[waxen meteor]

use your step wisely

don't step on mage and get kitted then eat full ult from ww

[jolly sierra]

im playing w rogue

XD

bah

my ww

ppl are mad for dampening

2-4

nice

if i would played assa this time maybe would be 4-2 min, they were aiming for dampening

[sharp sierra]

Stuck in a serious predicament right now, need some help.

I don’t know if i play WoW tonight, or hogwarts …. Send help.

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

fucking circus

got dced w ww, -150cr

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

fuck this game, will try for another day

what a waste

30m for this

[graceful ravine]

LOL

WHAZZ LOSES TO BREWMASTER

AHAHAHA

wtfffffffffffffff

[dim dagger]

man that teamcomp

[finite mica]

amazing

any omega assa copers in the chat?

[fierce laurel]

Oh good. Nothing but doubt brewmaster games next week.

[graceful ravine]

thats EU

dont bring that toxicity here

[jolly sierra]

do u think they will spawn in SS?

[fierce laurel]

Yes

[finite mica]

100%

[fierce laurel]

I’ve seen one about a month ago at 2500

[jolly sierra]

i've never saw any of them atm

[finite mica]

yea that's the dude that just won now

he's the only one that high though ig

[graceful ravine]

mercer is NA

[finite mica]

oh yea mb

true

[fierce laurel]

He played like how warrior play now where they heroic leap into charge range and then pve.

[finite mica]

2500 aint that high though ig for solo shuffle

[jolly sierra]

the one which killed whazz was from EU, right?

[finite mica]

ye

[jolly sierra]

if is the case, then this will be funny

[wise breach]

Wonder if Whaazz should have played AP build

[jolly sierra]

cuz will be another target to ignore

[graceful ravine]

u should replay whazz' reaction

on his loss

LOL

[tribal badger]

this is the most cursed timeline

[jolly sierra]

send link

[tribal badger]

now i need to deal with a wave of brm players in my soloqs

🤢

[jolly sierra]

switching BM monk tomorrow

[tribal badger]

the forbidden tech was supposed to stay hidden

reporting EU

[graceful ravine]

https://clips.twitch.tv/TriumphantUgliestRaccoonOhMyDog-VHG2ry94XPeVyQbc

[tribal badger]

do they not have another healer they can play like

i feel like disc is just int into double monk

did he get value out of a single barrier the entire series

[finite mica]

evoker

[tribal badger]

how do u ever use barrier vs 2 rops

lmao

[finite mica]

you dont basically

they save 1 at least till you barrier

then send on cd

[neon slate]

Whats more fun in solo shuffle destro lock or ww monk

[finite mica]

chaosbolt go brrrr

and you're way tankier as lock

[tribal badger]

i bet they got baited into not swapping comp by winning the first 2 games

5head brm tech of purposefully hitting the wrong target 2 games in a row

[neon slate]

Im kinda tired of doing NO FUCKING DAMAGE I WANNA PUMP

[tribal badger]

to make ur opponents not change comps

[finite mica]

play assa?

best spec in the game

[neon slate]

haha i just play the 2 shitty rogues and not the OP rogue

Idk man garrote and rupture spam doesn’t seem appealing

[finite mica]

i mean outlaw and sub were OP for all of SL

[neon slate]

Yah I missed that lol

Outlaw most fun for me but I’m basically always 4th in damage

[finite mica]

rogue OP since vanilla

[neon slate]

I mean how can I keep up with these like superior classes lol

[jolly sierra]

HAHAHAHAH

holy shit

[finite mica]

outplay them

[neon slate]

Yah

They don’t have to spend time CCing so makes sense their damage is higher

[finite mica]

i mean the fiends won playing sub sv holy vs whaazz rmp

[jolly sierra]

@uneven grove look

[neon slate]

But I want a zug zug damage meter class for a bit

[finite mica]

DH / warrior / dk

is pretty much send it 24/7 with cc on cd

[neon slate]

Can I not zug with ww or destro?

[finite mica]

with WW not

ww is like sub rogue ish gameplay

where you run till your goes

[neon slate]

I see but the damage is insane

[finite mica]

so it's one of the farthest thing from what you want

if you're not enjoying sub, i dont think you'll enjoy ww

but go for it dude

[neon slate]

Nah i appreciate the feedback

[finite mica]

takes like 2-3 nights to get full honor gear @ 70 if you play only 1-2 hours

[neon slate]

But you think destro is fun?

More fun than aff?

[finite mica]

if you're used to casting destro is fun

[neon slate]

Chaos bolt does seem like good dopamine

[finite mica]

if you're not a caster, at least other people will have fun

you cant really zugzug as a caster

unless ele shaman

[neon slate]

I shouldn’t say zug zug I just wanna pump damage

[uneven grove]

???

[finite mica]

pump damage doesnt win games though

for most classes

[jolly sierra]

https://clips.twitch.tv/TriumphantUgliestRaccoonOhMyDog-VHG2ry94XPeVyQbc

[finite mica]

i guess only assa can do full pve rotation with shiv kidney and win

or again DH / DK / warri

[neon slate]

Haha maybe i should just actually play the 4 piece Assa rogue I already have

Lul

[finite mica]

i mean yea

shiv + kidney are like top 5 best abilities in the game right now

[neon slate]

Outlaw rogue vs 3 melee classes feels fucking impossible I can’t lie

[finite mica]

assa plays a bit like outlaw imo

[neon slate]

Im just getting absolutely shatteth upon

[finite mica]

you dont really go for restealths or anything

[uneven grove]

i watched it

[finite mica]

just line enemy cds and then go back in

[neon slate]

Yeh

[jolly sierra]

think i gonna get some fun this week

[finite mica]

my monk is already 70 and waiting to be played ig

uncapped conq next week right on time

[uneven grove]

i already played fistweave with 411 gear, managed to get 1680 rating first session xd

[uneven grove]

bro it will be nerfed by then

[jolly sierra]

the guy was BM

[uneven grove]

monk is not assa

or ele

[finite mica]

i was joking anyway

cba fotming

[uneven grove]

but Bank is insane

fistweaving is not that easy

[finite mica]

it's not easy at all

[uneven grove]

Bank made 3k+ with full honor gear in 2 days

[finite mica]

did you see how many times he had to run behind pillar for a sec?

other fistweavers just die there

and go next round

[uneven grove]

yeah, he is built different

[finite mica]

one tricking a class also helps a lot

I mean i guess he ain't a otp since he also played some other classes I just saw

[uneven grove]

also Brewzin is 3300+ Brewmaster in solo

[finite mica]

but nothing compared to having 4 monks at high

[uneven grove]

next guy is 2400 rated

[finite mica]

i mean is there any spec not at least 3200+ ?

besides the other tanks

[jolly sierra]

think a lot of them will follow his steps

[finite mica]

except for prot prolly

[jolly sierra]

after killing a rog w that

[uneven grove]

i meant next Brm after Brewzin is 800 rating below him

[finite mica]

they will nerf brew really fast probably

[uneven grove]

literally

[jolly sierra]

in AWC

[finite mica]

that game where whazz was top dmg with like 5.8m

and brewzin below him with 5.7m

[graceful ravine]

cant wait to tune in whazz twitch after

[finite mica]

[uneven grove]

SAME

[jolly sierra]

kek

[finite mica]

super cope 💯

[jolly sierra]

his face

damn

[uneven grove]

rogue discord dislike whaazz or what?

[graceful ravine]

i like whazz

but also like underdogs

[uneven grove]

i want to see the tweets

[graceful ravine]

its exciting

[uneven grove]

those juicy tweets

[finite mica]

underdogs >>>

[jolly sierra]

cdew is funnier tho

[finite mica]

esp with these non-fotm specs

[jolly sierra]

w his tweets

[finite mica]

rogue mage is so fucking boring to watch (atleast it's less boring when assa is better)

when sub rmp is #1 it's just fight for 15sec run for 25 repeat

[uneven grove]

yeah i agree

[finite mica]

it's oke when it's not strong and the one tricks play RMP

but damn when half the games are rogue mage zzzzzzz

[graceful ravine]

both rogues taking ma and exsang

[potent pivot]

so weird lol

[finite mica]

in a tourney setting I guess having that extra CD for just 1 talent point on the side is worth it?

[potent pivot]

was just looking at their talents as well, whaaazz put 1 point into improved poisons, i woulda put 2 and dropped MA

[finite mica]

makes a shiv kidney go deadlier for sure

[potent pivot]

but idk maybe there's some kinda tech

[uneven grove]

wait agents is 1-0 against Poggers in lower bracket

[finite mica]

the rogue I play thug with also runs exsang

[finite mica]

yes

[potent pivot]

yeh i've always preferred exsang over ma tbh

[finite mica]

tilt is real

[potent pivot]

even after the nerf it just has more use than ma

[wise breach]

They swept them 4-0 in the finals last week

[finite mica]

there's no point in not taking it tbh

even if you use it only once in a match because of the long cd it's worth it

[uneven grove]

i am bad for feeling happy about this? mehhx fcking BMd Bicmex team last week, i want to see them lose

[graceful ravine]

how he bm

[finite mica]

feeling good = good bro

[uneven grove]

ahh chanimal playing, love that dude

[finite mica]

yea for sure

chanimal is amazing

dont think you can dislike the dude

[alpine tinsel]

how are yall gearing alts? honor blues then 2s/3s?

[sharp sierra]

Anyone know where i get the rest of heirloom gear? I bought all the stuff from the vendor in UC but still a lot of missing pieces.

[graceful ravine]

just spam shuffles

[sharp sierra]

I bought the full green set, did BG’s for the honor gear and then just did even more BG’s and some solo shuffle and 2’s for some of the conquest stuff i had. And then did the crafted

[graceful ravine]

lmao playing creeping venom is hilarious

https://streamable.com/xhjyb5

i thought this monk dc'ed at the end but its cos he was stuck there at -94% movement speed

[uneven grove]

imagine using tiger's lust

[proper heath]

So what classes doesn’t have poison dispel now

[uneven grove]

or just dispell ye

[proper heath]

For instance ferals don’t have cleanse anymore

They can’t take it

[uneven grove]

resto shamans can't dispell posion maybe

[proper heath]

Can monks cleanse ? Ww

[uneven grove]

yes

monk dispell is for disease and posions baseline

[proper heath]

Oh so they just get it , no talent

[uneven grove]

it's a talent

[proper heath]

Ok . I can’t keep track of all the changes unless I play the class

[uneven grove]

but every monk can take it easily, it's in a decent place in the tree

[proper heath]

Ferals have to like commit to swiftmend or something to get it . It’s super sus

[jolly sierra]

changed stats for monk in BM

i have this baseline

553k hp

[outer plume]

Sin should buy both Daggers first with conq right?

[jolly sierra]

just 1

are u sub? u can try 2 drakebreaker tho

[potent pivot]

1 conq 1 drakebreaker from trophy of strife

[potent pivot]

even sub should not do this

[jolly sierra]

a lot of ppl are using that

according to murlok.io

[potent pivot]

yep and it's pretty dumb

i've seen it as well

[sharp sierra]

XD

[jolly sierra]

from top players?

[potent pivot]

yep

[jolly sierra]

meh

[outer plume]

How do you get trophy of strifes again?

[potent pivot]

the mafority use conq dagger, the ones using drakebreaker for MH are making a mistake lol

[potent pivot]

you have to pick up the weekly quest in the pvp area in vladrakken

[jolly sierra]

doubt about that

if they are in that trend

[potent pivot]

i have 0 doubt

it is 100% not the optimal choice

you always take the highest ilvl main hand, regardless of stats or spec

[outer plume]

Mine were only for conquest Epic BG and Rated BG

And sparks

[potent pivot]

3 ilvl on main hand is worth way more than the bit of mastery you'd gain

[potent pivot]

ye you gather the sparks

the trophies are the quest reward

[outer plume]

100 sparks? that takes so long wtf

[potent pivot]

it doesn't take that long

[outer plume]

A player is 1 each is it not?

What else drops sparks

[potent pivot]

go to the zone the quest says to go to

kill rares and do WQs

and join a group to kill players

there's usually a couple groups in LFG

you just join and go ham

takes like 20 minutes usually, something like that

[outer plume]

AH FUCK I bought conquest axe not dagger

Can I ticket that lol

[potent pivot]

sell it back?

or did you equip it

[outer plume]

I accidently enchanted

[potent pivot]

F

[outer plume]

I'll open a ticket

[potent pivot]

i don't see that working

but who knows

[outer plume]

If it was straight away before I used it, they sometimes do

[sharp sierra]

Any vet rogues know the ideal spec and race to min max in pvp (horde

[idle coyote]

Any recommend for my build? Anything I need to change?
I only play world pvp so, usually its 1v1 ganking

[outer plume]

Does the community feast give sparks?

[potent pivot]

probably sub or assa, but if you enjoy/are better at outlaw it's fine to play outlaw. won't stop you from reaching any achievements

[potent pivot]

not sure tbh

[potent pivot]

you kinda want to go for 2 cap stone talents in the spec tree if possible

there's multiple builds in #pvp-faq

[sharp sierra]

thx

I dont like outlaw idk why

[woven jolt]

It's a brawler centred spec on a class not designed to brawl face to face

[idle coyote]

can you mark me it? I dont have the name in english

[woven jolt]

it's not rare people not liking outlaw on pvp

[jolly sierra]

got into a tank match w monk, but i was dps role (playing brewmaster) lol

[potent pivot]

you want to pick 2 of these usually

[jolly sierra]

was 2 prot/MM hunt/ele

won 4/2 nice

[idle coyote]

@potent pivot would work better this way?

[potent pivot]

go to #pvp-faq and look at some builds @idle coyote

yeah that one works

[jolly sierra]

was playing w brewmaster again, 3-3 because the healer started whining and doesn't cared for heal

just reported him, lets see if he enjoys touching grass

[waxen meteor]

hmm, this bow looks perfectly with our set this season

[jolly sierra]

try tiriosh and golad

[graceful ravine]

balanced

[jolly sierra]

4-2, 3-3, 4-2 trolling in brewmaster

at 1k7 mmr

from 0 cr

how sweet

gotta go sleep cya

[waxen meteor]

Good night!

[outer plume]

Does pvp gear activate in warmode open world?

Or am I better off wearing my high ilvl pve stuff

[copper gazelle]

why doesnt anyone take subterfuge for 2s? seems like it would be key for getting a sap off in combat?

[copper gazelle]

well, not 'no one' but , many rogues at the top of the 2v2 ladder

[copper gazelle]

Yes, your hp will jump from the 200s to 300s assoon as you tag someone

[tribal badger]

when u engage in pvp combat it does (hit a player/hit by a player)

vs mobs in warmode it doesnt

[worthy crag]

so wtf happened to arenamate

dead and gone?

[terse mountain]

What do you guys use for targetting, click, tab, arena bound keybinds, buttons are just bound to arena1,2,3?

[warm lance]

I didnt play for 2 days and I somehow dont know how to press buttons anymore

First game 0-6 and 200mmr down

Yea ok im done for now. Second game 1-5

How can not playing for 2 days cause you to forget how to play

[terse mountain]

Does anyone use a corsair mouse?

Honestly the worst mouse I've ever touched in my entire life. Keeps resetting my profile even though my wow profile is default and I've deleted all other profiles. It somehow magically generates more profiles and switches it during game. So, so bad

[sharp sierra]

i usually get confused where tf i am after not playing arenas for some time

[thick dagger]

@terse mountain got to actually know how to use the software .. save 1 profile lock the rest away and quit hitting the button by scroll wheel and it won’t switch. Corsair is better than Naga by miles

[terse mountain]

I've saved my profile it's the only profile there plus it's set to default. I don't press that button either, ever

[dim geode]

okay during deathmark we have wound poison 8680 (regular) and 394327 (dm) so i assume they still stack?

just not with mortal strike and stuff

[abstract brook]

for assa what are the bis slots to put tier pieces in for 4 piece

like is it head chest hands shoulders or?

[fallow tide]

wow this is pvp channel, deleting 😄

[wise breach]

Head, shoulders, chest, and usually pants

[abstract brook]

it is a pvp question haha

tier set in pvp is bonkers

[fallow tide]

yeah thought i was in pve channel and deleted my pve response, my bad

[frosty oak]

I have a corsair mouse. It has 12 buttons where the thumb goes. ICUE is the software that goes with the mouse. It is kinda janky. ICUE will crash randomly and then my profile stops working and none of my buttons work. I can't even force close ICUE, I have to restart my PC in order for it to work again.

does anyone have any good videos to link to explain the play style of assn? I'm almost max'd on conquest, and I like to spam bgs a lot. I usually have a shitty time. My friend told me you just have to put rupture and garotte on and leave, then come back. Does a full rupture and garotte from stealth do that much dmg?

[sharp sierra]

Yeah some classes you can just demolish but ones you can’t it’s easier to just keep pressure with garrote, rupture, the dot that doesn’t end until they die i forget what it’s called. Run if you can reapply shiv to reduce healing

[tardy sequoia]

Question about crafted items. Is it more worth to craft PVP feet and head instead of having Lariat + one of those ? as pve'r my current set up is ofc Cowl + Lariat so I wonder what would be best replacement for those.

[chrome schooner]

You need the boots that amplify the PvP trinket set bonus by 5%. After that Lariat with Mastery Versatility is a good pick.

[potent pivot]

for gearing up yes

you can switch to lariat later on if you prefer, but it's not a necessity

[untold remnant]

I simmed my lariat (pve) which I now have with crit vers and crit vers gems. Swapping to mastery is actually a dps increase. So once I can go 418, I’m swapping the stats. So I can use it in PvP as well

[potent pivot]

[tardy sequoia]

yeah im just trying to get into PVP after prog so thinking what to craft (once I farm enough dirt to get Sparks )

[potent pivot]

for getting started with pvp i'd recommend boots->helm->signet if you can get a decent ilvl (w/ no embellishment)

[tardy sequoia]

I suppose in my case I'd go for PVP helm and trinkets

[potent pivot]

but don't go insane if you have to farm all the sparks i'd start with boots/helm, and get the ring more leisurely

[tardy sequoia]

crafted ring ?

[potent pivot]

ah you've got the ring

ye

[tardy sequoia]

ye

I could recraft into proper stats ig

rn its crit mastery

[potent pivot]

yeh, you def want vers on it but you can get haste vers conq ring

just depends on you and sparks etc

[tardy sequoia]

I could go with Crit vers crafted and conq ring to replace CoS ring

[potent pivot]

well you want vers mast conq ring

to replace CoS

i wouldn't recommend crafting a new ring with crit

you'd want it to be vers mast as well

[tardy sequoia]

that'd be this one

[tardy sequoia]

nah, just recraft with proper sats

[potent pivot]

tru

[tardy sequoia]

so ye, also mast vers

[potent pivot]

didn't know if you'd wanna keep 1 for pve etc

[tardy sequoia]

I can always recraft it back before raid

if so

[potent pivot]

well there ya go

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't start off with ring from conq

just a suggestion for later

[tardy sequoia]

ye ofc, just ss'ed which one you meant

[potent pivot]

ah ye

your tier set is mostly fine already, would recommend recrafting conq pieces into tier later

but focus on getting new pvp daggers

1 conq 424 MH, 1 drakebreaker 421 OH

[tardy sequoia]

drakebreaker?

[potent pivot]

pvp trinkets, and replacing the pve off pieces

[potent pivot]

world pvp gear

can be upgraded through doing the weekly quest

[tardy sequoia]

oh really?

thats good to know

[potent pivot]

yep

would def start doing that quest

[tardy sequoia]

ye I see now

[potent pivot]

need 1 dagger, wrist and belt from it

there's a gear guide in #pvp-faq

[tardy sequoia]

oh didnt even notice we got faq for pvp now.

lemayo

[potent pivot]

[tardy sequoia]

Must be new addition, love to see it. It was always difficult to find any guides for pvp

greatly appreciated

Aight, will start with farming the quest, cheers a lot for help.

[potent pivot]

no problem, happy farming

[graceful ravine]

just queued into an outlaw rogue at 2700 mmr

we both went 2-4

assa and outlaw do not match

war spriest won

[waxen meteor]

2700 should be quite high for outlaw this season right?

[graceful ravine]

ya hes #3

[waxen meteor]

Outlaw and Sin yeah, don’t seem to work together well

Maybe even split dmg is better

[graceful ravine]

lol he has 1600 rounds played as outlaw

my guy loves the spec

[waxen meteor]

Just kidney both dps 6s every 20

Or outlaw just chase heal forever try to force cleave on war

Sin chases sp

[graceful ravine]

he have cc but he did no dmg

this is all 6 rounds

[plucky sage]

That guy was rank 1 solo shuffle na

Doodeebutt

Is that who you're referring to?

Rank 1 outlaw*

[graceful ravine]

die hard outlaw enjoyer

[plucky sage]

You must be pretty high rated then eh?

Doin well

[graceful ravine]

im on my alt

in half blues with no tier

lol

i thought bout getting outlaw to 2400

but it looks miserable

[plucky sage]

Yeah it is hard :/ I have a better time on feral alt

[minor cape]

wanted to ask

if i see a feral on sub

do i go for him