pvp

[warm lance]

Bro im so jealous you can alrdy play your Surv

Im still waiting for my friend

[minor cape]

whats up with surv

[warm lance]

Its fun

[minor cape]

whats so good about it

that people say its A tier class

🤔

[lucid lark]

its not OP, it's not bad, it's fun, it doesn't have burst, it has a fun high skill ceiling kit

Super rewarding

[warm lance]

High damage output, CC and counters Assa rogues pretty heavily

30s bleed removal

[lucid lark]

bro yeah, I have been bullying sin rogues all day

[warm lance]

Squishy though

[minor cape]

as all hunters are

[proper heath]

We are unplayable now

Time to go feral

Where are Tonyferals guides

[minor cape]

i noticed BM is better at survivng than mm

[potent pivot]

[minor cape]

why is it so?

[proper heath]

googling .. "Feral pvp guide"

[lucid lark]

mend their DM go, steel trap, no dr tar trap snare, scatter them, harpoon snare

so hilarious

[warm lance]

All the while doing high cleave damage

And your Mongoose bites chunking people

[lucid lark]

throw birds at people for 90k

[minor cape]

i rage so hard when i get hunter trapped i dont know why

🤓

[lucid lark]

tar trap flare

@warm lance https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/UihRoBO5Rlfq3/d1337heH82h3?invite=cr-MSxmMUQsODg3Njc4NzEs

[warm lance]

Sill Khot

[lucid lark]

that kill shit was so goofy it caused this

oh I cant see the thing because I reported

but the enemy healer threw the next 3 rounds

said he was only going to dps

[warm lance]

kek

[potent pivot]

would you guys say there's more inting is RSS than other solo q games

[lucid lark]

i'd say specifically from 1300-1800 absolutely

[potent pivot]

i wonder if that's because wow is an MMO, compared to MOBAs and FPS games

[lucid lark]

people take pvp so seriously but then aren't good at it at all

i think its bc people tie their identity to their character, and with it their ego

I have an idea thats like

[potent pivot]

it's kinda odd

[lucid lark]

You play WoW for 15 years+ and then get bodied and it really unravels your self worth if you have nothing else going for you

Like

if you have no other hobbies, achievement in school or work or w/e

I used to tilt a LOT when i was younger

because WoW achievement was all I had going for me

but now that I'm older, I have a cat

[warm lance]

For me its just Ive played games for 18years and still suck and it gets to you at times

Especially if you spend alot of time at one game playing the same game mode and still suck

[potent pivot]

[lucid lark]

right but have you spend 18 years GRINDING like 30k arenas a season?

i think ppl think they deserve to win bc WoW is all they do, instead of studying and grinding the fucking metagame

[warm lance]

Thats the thing, Im pretty decent at basically any game I pick up after only a short while, but im not GOOD at any of them

[potent pivot]

for some people the reaction time and button presses just aren't there

[warm lance]

But at one point I grinded like 600hrs of PvP in Destiny 2 and still suck at it

[lucid lark]

I'm the same way, but I also play a lot of games for fun, and only a few competitively

[warm lance]

But thats probably just age starting to get in the way

[lucid lark]

Like smash bros? I studied those games front to back. went to tournaments all the time and only stopped 3 years ago around covid

and now I'm trying to make WoW my next "competitive obsession"

[warm lance]

Like Apex Legends is a good example for me. When it came out, I had a 1.65kdr. Im now a 0.74kdr andy after a long-ish break from that game specifically, but Ive played shooters alot inbetween

[lucid lark]

I think in the grand scheme, 600 hours isn't that crazy when you consider the amount of time that pros have

whats the mastery rule

10k hours

[warm lance]

Yeah

But then again whenever I get back into Destiny 2 and go PvP, it only takes me under a week to get back to getting top frag in games

[lucid lark]

but if you spent each hour on meaningful improvement, then you'll get it. but like you said earlier, if you're queuing without a roadmap, you're fucked

[warm lance]

Recently ive been queing with Pressure in mind almost only

I went through the surviving part

I can live for quite a long time in games

I need to start focusing more on landing good step-kicks though

I think thats slowing my climbing right now

[vocal surge]

pain

hard stuck 1800s

Doing everything possible under my belt to win

and still coming out short

[proper heath]

have you tried... like

killing them?

[lucid lark]

these late night lobbies are wild

almost always a 3-3 because people play so inconsistently

[proper heath]

I think 3-3 is the definition of consistent.

[warm lance]

Want inconsistent see my game history

I had a 5-1, 5-1, 1-5, 2-4, 5-1, 5-1, 1-5, 1-5 streak sometime ago

[vocal surge]

Yep

Blind --> Kidney if trinket or Sap

[lucid lark]

It be like that

[warm lance]

Ended up on the plus though thanks to that 2-4

[lucid lark]

I find that the only games I dont like are vs ele

Ele still just deleted people at random

[warm lance]

I honestly dont know when to expect their dmg

Theyre the only caster so far that I just pop to without noticing

Destro might do the same now

[lucid lark]

destro is like

I can line destro

nbd

[warm lance]

I really like playing Destro personally

[lucid lark]

but ele is like, I'll kick stormkeeper/icefury and then some random lavaburst or earth shock or ele blast just clobbers someone for like 150k

[warm lance]

I should play mine. I do one game and think "this is fun" then not touch it for a week

[lucid lark]

and its all instant, no wind-up

and I cant turtle projectiles en route bc it goes thru it if you didnt already do it

[dense thorn]

lol this is miserable

being low ass fuck ilvl

and no idea how to heal pvp

no wonder noone wants to learn it

[lucid lark]

the game is definitely too fast

like

dampening in RSS makes no sense to me

[warm lance]

Itll be abit of a struggle at first for sure

[lucid lark]

you wanna nerf healers with no experience basically

to make it even harder

[warm lance]

I think if you wanna play healer in shuffle you prob should spam 2s for conq first

[dense thorn]

im legit

doing skirmishes

it doesnt matter.. i can hit every cd

and i will die cause my gear is 398

lol

and its full of 424 people now

[warm lance]

skirmishes are kinda whatever tho

[dense thorn]

i mean.. stunned, dead

isnt exactly fun to learn is it

[lucid lark]

which healer

[dense thorn]

disc

[lucid lark]

pain supp first global

[warm lance]

Well, you prob should just do BGs until youre 411 atleast

[dense thorn]

i died

in pain supp

[lucid lark]

use the second one

[warm lance]

398 is basically not having any gear at all

[dense thorn]

no when i say i hit every cd

i literallymean

[lucid lark]

[dense thorn]

i had everything on me

and died

lol

war and dk

424 gear

[warm lance]

Youre 20ilvl behind most people right now, you cant expect much else. Just spam BGs

[dense thorn]

id rather die tbh

than do bgs

[warm lance]

Then suffer

In silence

[dense thorn]

i am

im just saying

how do new people learn this

its a miserable experience for people who play the game

let alone 'oh ill try pvp'

[warm lance]

They gear up to 411 in BGs first

[lucid lark]

I think they spam bgs

arena is kinda

a boogeyman to a lot of ppl

[warm lance]

Yeah thats the thing

New players are too scared to get into any kind of arena

They learn in BGs first, get all they can gear wise

[lucid lark]

i refuse to play a healer until I get a nice MMO mouse

[warm lance]

I dont take any class into skirmish or anything until im full 411 ever

[dense thorn]

makes sense but i absolutely hate bgs lol

most boring content in the gaem

[lucid lark]

i like bgs

[warm lance]

I just do epic BGs

And semi afk while watching movies

[dense thorn]

yh but i kind of wanna play the game

[warm lance]

Like on my Surv ive just been spamming serpent sting and bombs while watching a movie and doing epic bgs

Well, you couldve got to 66-67 then spammed BGs for honor and to learn, everyone gets scaled to 69 anyway

So gear doesnt matter

[dense thorn]

yh but i boosted this toon

[warm lance]

And at 70 buy full 411

[dense thorn]

lol

[warm lance]

I know

[lucid lark]

gear absolutely matters

[warm lance]

And now you gotta do the honor grind in BGs

[lucid lark]

i learned that the hard way

bc of how stam scales

[warm lance]

Does it? Im wearing kinda whatever and im doing fine in bgs

[lucid lark]

you gotta get the SL trinket set, try to get 300ilvl on everything

[warm lance]

I dont have the SL trinket set

[lucid lark]

get it, it's clapped

[warm lance]

Im using the Denathrius trinket to bomb people for 70k

[lucid lark]

my rogue was like 230k HP at 67

just running around deleting people

plus a lot of max level ppl downscale into 69

and its cancer

[warm lance]

but thats wasted honor that I could be saving for 70

I only have 3999honor and im about 67 and a half

[dense thorn]

my mate keeps asking to pvp

but refuses to use pvp trinkets

or pvp gear

saying his is better

lol

[warm lance]

Well hes a moron

[dense thorn]

then he moans he dies in a stun

i say trinket

[warm lance]

Like has he read the set bonus on trinkets?

Or what Vers does?

[dense thorn]

he 'doesn't care'

cause he has 421 grieftorch

which is 'better'

[warm lance]

That shit aint gonna do anything in PvP

[dense thorn]

i know lol

[warm lance]

My assa stats look kinda juicy now

Nice spread of crit and haste too

And its all from just the tier

[dense thorn]

i was looking forward to this week to optimise my guy abit

but vault was trash

and i cant getanything

might afk until next week tbh

[warm lance]

Just spam out the vault and chill for the rest of the week

[dense thorn]

yh

im at that stage of the season where i have done everything i want todo

and getting harder to log in lol

[warm lance]

Thats what I do mostly tbh

I play so many games I can just finish up vault and play something else for the rest of the week

And just have fun

[proper heath]

You know when you wake up. and ur solo shuffle rank goes up

by doing nothing.

Smile.

[warm lance]

wut

[proper heath]

Rank

[warm lance]

lmao

[proper heath]

Rogues dropped because of nerf

OMegalul unplayable!

I'm a feral now. Looking for good feral skins from legion

[proper heath]

I wanna be a fire kitty

[lucid lark]

[warm lance]

My druid is a disco kitty

its still lvl 45 tho

Havent touched it since Legion

nvm its 46, still same deal

The level squish fucked my gears ilvl tho. Tomb drops like 145 gear but my Antorus gear is ilvl 50

I do miss legion

[proper heath]

Holy shit thats alot of legendaries

[lucid lark]

legion went hard

[proper heath]

DUDE I wish I could destroy them

why can't we destroy artifact stuff

[warm lance]

I think I have all legendaries for warrior and druid

[proper heath]

It's randomly taking up space in my bank

[lucid lark]

probably the only expansion where I did casual pvp, m+ and raids and loved every second

[warm lance]

I didnt do almost any pvp

Just BGs with some of my friends

And ganking in antorus while in que

[lucid lark]

i got my dalaran rat as sin with old exang build

[proper heath]

I hated Legion legendaries. Seriously. But I dont think any other loot system got me hard getting one from legion.

[lucid lark]

took me 4 days to kill everyone

[proper heath]

It was so adrenaline pumping

[warm lance]

Oh wait we did do some RBGs with like 2 healers, 1 tank, 1warrior (me) rest mages

lmao

I liked the legendaries cause you could swap them in m+

I basically had like 2 trash sets and 1 boss set

On my warrior

My mog goes kinda hard. So does the name

"Savageroar"

Made the toon to maybe reroll to Feral for Tomb but endd up staying warrior and in Antorus I geared it to help us prog the last 3 bosses

We had too many melees so I volunteered as sacrifice for ranged spot

Maybe ill level this for feral pvp next after the surv

Name doesnt fit playing resto

[lucid lark]

@warm lance

[vocal surge]

hows hunter?

[spark egret]

Bruh I love when people roast you for your rating when they're in the same game as you

[sharp sierra]

i find it cringe when a 5-6 season "glad" flames in 1900

[spark egret]

Nah that shit is funny as fuck

Just laugh

They're washed

Imagine the turmoil they're in

Daily.

[sharp sierra]

gladiator mounts and titles

gets kidney bombed behind pillar

Sometimes i wonder how did they even reach their rating

[spark egret]

Well when was season 5-6

Wrath?

[sharp sierra]

brutal gladiator i think

[spark egret]

So like end of BC wrath

[sharp sierra]

no thats s4

yeah

[spark egret]

Yeah they probably played a dk in season 5

Since it was free glad

But like fr

There are alot of those players that played at a higher end in wrath Cata

And they just cant let that go

[warm lance]

I call it Kungen syndrome

[minor cape]

https://tenor.com/view/b-boomer-boomer-bttv-twitch-classic-rock-gif-15991791

retail is visual mess muh classic

[sharp sierra]

Bruh, this stupid ass ball been stuck on my screen for the past 3 days. It was a world quest i flew by and it never went away

[tame rivet]

Jarl Ballin

[pale storm]

Blizzard have a blue post saying that quest buttons that appear and won’t leave can be removed by entering and arena skirmish

[minor cape]

doing /reload doesnt help?

[sharp sierra]

i wish reforging was still in the gmae

[minor cape]

mind helping me out a little

?

can i get any more mastery rn without crafted items?

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/ravencrest/adskydroch/

[sharp sierra]

Nope

[stray harness]

is the crafted head worth?

[vocal surge]

its a good stat stick

if you have 4p already

and honor piece there

btw anyone else feel like the devs should be tuning damage back instead of buffing classes?

rn its starting to feel like another Shadowlands Season except worse

[copper gazelle]

Hoping you experienced PVPers can help me understand how this re-Sap works. It starts with him coming out of a Shadowy Duel with the monk, and Blinding at the end of the Duel. He Shadowsteps to the lock, Cheapshots and gets some damage in. He then uses Vanish to get a Sap off the end of his Blind, and then is back to the lock for a full Kidney Shot. All of this makes sense to me so far. What I don't understand is right after that Kidney, he gets another Sap on the monk. Isn't he in combat at this point? Sorry if this is obvious but I am very new to rogue (just hit 70 a few days ago). https://clips.twitch.tv/GentleEnthusiasticChipmunkMVGame-xLPCM_qk_lPHteNw

[wise breach]

He has Shadow Dance up, which allows him to resap. The rogue doesn't need to be out of combat, just the target

[fierce laurel]

Why would he be in combat?

[warm lance]

Theres no reason why the monk would be in combat

[graceful ravine]

i lost 100 rating in 3v3 last night playing rps

soooo yea

[vocal surge]

a max Kidney Shot has the same duration as a Blind

People will drop combat near the end of the duration

which allows you to sap again

[graceful ravine]

....what?

[wise breach]

Kidney is ~2s shorter, you can't really sap off a kidney anymore unless you combine with smoke bomb, but that's not what happened here anyway

[vocal surge]

Really?

Im pretty sure they have the same duration

[graceful ravine]

how long have you been playing rogue buddy

[vocal surge]

since Shadowlands S1

[wise breach]

Kidney is 6s, Blind 8 before taking into account trinket bonus

[graceful ravine]

6 sec kidney vs 8 sec blind since the dawn of time

7 sec kidney during SL

[wise breach]

With trinket bonus Kidney is now 5.1s which is not enough to drop combat

[copper gazelle]

Ok, I guess I didn't realize he had 2 charges of vanish. So he is Sub, and so he vanishes, saps. Then he has shadow dance up which lets him sap even though he isn't stealthed. Then he vanishes again for that last 1 sec sap, into the gouge.

[warm lance]

He isnt sapping a kidney shot

Its blind into sap into sap into sap into kidney

[orchid plinth]

U can track what is happening by looking at the TrufiGCD - the spells he is using is shown above his Actionbar. Should be pretty straightforward

Sap only requires the target getting sapped to be out of combat, and can be casted from stealth and shadow dance

[copper gazelle]

Yep, I was mostly following along. Just got confused when it looked like Pika is in combat but still gets sap #2. I didn't realize it was because he had shadowdance.

[warm lance]

Rogue being in combat has nothing to do with sapping anyway

[wise breach]

No you're right though, he did Vanish a second time for that last triple dr sap

[warm lance]

Yeah and he kidneys twice during that too

[copper gazelle]

Sorry, more correctly, thought he had to be in stealth which to my noob rogue brain means out of combat. 😄

[warm lance]

2 dances and 2 vanishes is wild

[copper gazelle]

Ya it is. Ive started trying to play mage rogue with my friend, and I have been on assa. This seems really smooth though, and makes me want to try Sub.

[graceful ravine]

i dont use them together

but if you do, exsang befor

[sharp sierra]

i sapped after a blind and won the game today and felt like pikaboo from aliexpress

[wise breach]

I think it's situational, if you're against someone who can remove bleeds it may make sense to exsanguinate a Deathmark if you think you can get the kill right there since it is better burst for the next few seconds

[warm lance]

I always exsang opener and dm a later go

[graceful ravine]

mostly because everybody and their mothers is watching deathmark and preparing a cd for it

so if you use both together, likely a waste

i would like to... but im not convinced its better

i want to believe its better tho but i dont have any evidence or math to back it up

[warm lance]

BuT iT sHoTgUnS - patch day

[graceful ravine]

if youre playing a rot comp maybe like aff lock

[wise breach]

Man I don't know, even if it's better, I can't play without SS and Bone Spike

[graceful ravine]

or even destruction

destructiuon lock have insane aoe dmg

[warm lance]

Destro is crazy

[graceful ravine]

yea i agree

• focus gouge and focus step gouge 😉

[south venture]

Hello 🙂 Im new to Rogue PvP in DF played alot befor in privus exp but im wondring if sub or assa is the best to go atm 🙂 (No 4set just vendor pvp gear)

[waxen meteor]

New mouse where

[warm lance]

My hunter has way less binds. And I have 3 different skills that take up 3-4binds each for arena123, party 12

No way i could fit that with rogue

[graceful ravine]

im practicing my focus macros on my alt rogue lol

just to get the muscle memory on it

blind -> they trinket -> insta step focus gouge

[warm lance]

I havent dared to try solo yet

[waxen meteor]

i dared and run into 3 lobbies all of them have survival

met 0 DH somehow

[graceful ravine]

all dhs rerolled warriors

[warm lance]

Coincidentally im leveling my old surv atm

[wise breach]

Really curious to see today's AWC meta

[waxen meteor]

survival is really a pain in the ass

[graceful ravine]

i think we see more warriors

[wise breach]

I kind of don't expect a lot of comp changes

[waxen meteor]

just annoying as opponent, and hard to work at same side

[wise breach]

I love survival, it's so fun to play

Hate facing it though

[graceful ravine]

next week you can buy a new one

😛

[vocal surge]

Haven't won against Surv matches ever since the buff

its bugged lol

[warm lance]

No kidding

Thats what he said

Surv is omega fun to play

[vocal surge]

Its an alright legendary

till S3+

[warm lance]

Now you clear magical and have 90% redu for 1sec

[vocal surge]

It was definitely BIS thou for pvp

[warm lance]

Ofc

[waxen meteor]

cheat death seems to be quite buggy these days

I have a couple of loses without triggering cheat death only in 3 rounds of solo

[graceful ravine]

i run cheat vs all comps

saved me many times

battlemaster all comps too

[graceful ravine]

depends how long you think the game will last and whether you get a 2nd use

[uneven grove]

how u guys like the ret with heroic leap

gonna be fun

[graceful ravine]

long games vs caster cleaves on map big = u can dm on opener, and win with the 2nd deathmark

short games with melee cleaves = you can hold until ppl trinket and kill with it

[waxen meteor]

lol so ret gets warriro's skill?

[vocal surge]

That's gonna be interesting to fight

[waxen meteor]

everybody gets a 30 yard teleport to open space skill, rogue when

[warm lance]

Outlaw

[uneven grove]

looks like, i copy pastad it aswell

i am not on PTR

[waxen meteor]

true

[uneven grove]

but i can imagine any shit from blizz

making ret a hero class aswell

[waxen meteor]

that's rogue -> warrior spec

[graceful ravine]

WINGS OF LIBERTY

i can already imagine the animation...

[waxen meteor]

with a big white wring flowing over?

imagine using it in the Ascended arena

Gotta make me blind

[uneven grove]

rets gonna bring democracy now

[graceful ravine]

https://youtu.be/Ro26B394ZBM?t=147

its gonna be like this

[wise breach]

Pretty sure this isn't real, someone's trolling

There's a Wings of Liberty skill in Wowhead's datamining, but it relates to Consecration

[jolly sierra]

the only thing i did before go bed after open the vault was get my last pvp tier piece

i was using LFR 382 shoulders

[vocal surge]

Aye, thats good

[quaint cape]

What are people running for sub rogue solo shuffle?? Murk is all over the place with builds, just trying to figure out what’s the most viable

[jolly sierra]

hope those +42 ilvl works for something

[quaint cape]

There is basically no sub rogue content

[clear wigeon]

you got cdr or secret tech

tech does more damage and bigger goes, cdr does it more often and has more utility and cc

its a preference

[worthy crag]

ppl do cdr and sec tech as well

giving up dark brew

[quaint cape]

Sorry very new to sub

What’s cdr

I also noticed people don’t seem to be runnng subterfuge??

[worthy crag]

cdr is cooldown reduction

from invigorating shadowdust talent

[quaint cape]

I see

[spark egret]

Rogues are op tho bro

Just OP them to death

[quaint cape]

I know the pain, I realized after a very long time that you cannot trade with them

[spark egret]

In fact gut all rogue cc

They have too much

And their damage too

[quaint cape]

It’s hard when everyone is saying rogue is S tier but if you don’t rotate cds perfectly and kite you die in one global

[spark egret]

A rogue killed me in wpvp in vanilla they're OP

Brother

What spec are you playing

Ah

[quaint cape]

You can run AR into double melee

[spark egret]

Pmuch every game is gonna be double melee

I dont run into many caster lobbies anymore

[quaint cape]

Last night I was shocked I only played against casters

[steel linden]

I am also currently experiencing melee stack woes

[quaint cape]

3 separate rounds with mages, else and locks with one ww

4 set guys our vers, may be best to run the vers gems

[steel linden]

I went 2-4 in a Ret/Warrior lobby and then 5-1 in a spriest/feral/lock lobby

[quaint cape]

Ret hard counter

I hate playing against rets

[spark egret]

As soon as you open. You're getting turned on as assa

[steel linden]

Ya ret feels kinda unwinnable for me at the moment in shuffle

Once evasion and disarm are on cooldown I just insta die

[quaint cape]

Bop sac bubble removing bleeds

[steel linden]

Or I kite and do zero DPS while we lose momentum

[final solstice]

WIll it be worth going 4set for Sub? If so, what pieces would best best choices?

[quaint cape]

No idea I am a sub noob I’d be interested to hear myself

[warm lance]

I believe its abit of a split with some 2set some 4set

[final solstice]

Damn, hate not having a sure answer

Im checking murloc and I see what u mean

Very devided

[autumn elk]

hi all, just joined, anybody know what addon is used to put the combo points on the enemy nameplate like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsRW29s53fI

[spark egret]

That's just

A setting no?

[autumn elk]

Is it? I couldn't find it, I always have the combo points on my personal resource display by default

[gilded flame]

dude are you me? I just leveled up my SL rogue this week, stepped into SS with full honor gear and some conquest, and it was 2 full games of DH WAR stomping on me and healers doing numbers I KNOW as a healer were garbage

doing 10k hps during melee burst when you can freecast because they are both on me, thats just unacceptable

i spent all morning researching what I could do about this but the fact is I dunno if there is anything I could do

a few rounds I just flat out got the fuck out, hid in stealth, and the second I tried to open, I died to non cooldown basic dam

oh I got away, I just could literally not engage at all because nearly auto attacks were killing me

absolutely

blind was useless

disarm get trinket

stun was all I had, but then how do I kill? I am using kidney to peel myself

[wicked rampart]

Pretty sure it's not a baseline option, but I believe most nameplate addons are capable of doing it like Elv, Plater, Tidyplates, etc

[autumn elk]

Ah found it actually i think

[gilded flame]

I actually got a full 10 second sap thing going on evoker, then into silence and then into stun, didn't matter, somehow the dps who blast my face off couldn't get a kill there and evoker just uses that shit thats a full hp heal in CC anyway

[autumn elk]

it's in options / gameplay / combat / personal resource display show special resources on target

definitely helps reduce eye movement

[wicked rampart]

Interesting, does it remove CP's for your own frame with that enabled?

or is it just on both

[autumn elk]

it's only on target unfortunately, wish i could have both

[warm lance]

I shouldve known my friend wont let me know when hes 67

He always gets carried away and keeps going after agreed upon times

[autumn elk]

does rupture work correctly with echoing reprimand? i know slice and dice is bugged

actually yeah looks like it does

[wicked rampart]

Yes and slice isn't bugged, blue CP's explicitly state damaging finishers

[autumn elk]

ah

[wicked rampart]

or at least it did in SL

[autumn elk]

yeah that checks out since i just did a 3 combo point slice and dice, the 3rd combo point was blue and it remained blue and i didn't get a 7 combo point slice and dice buff

[fierce laurel]

Anima doesn’t work on slice or kidney

[warm lance]

Its damaging finishers, pretty sure it sais it on the skill?

But reading tooltips is not something one should do

[autumn elk]

yep, it does say damaging finishers. is this build dumb? BMQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFQLJkgcgkUSAAAAAAAkIBIJAAAAAAAUCBtkQSSkSKJJRCJRkYBA i'm not taking hemotoxin in favor of "control is king" for free slice and dice. also missing gouge, and i'm not sure if subterfuge is worth it but i do it for the garrote spam

[warm lance]

Youre hard gimping yourself not using hemotoxin

Like actually hard gimp

[autumn elk]

wound isn't enough?

they don't stack

[warm lance]

Hemo is used on kill windows

Its higher reduction than wound

[autumn elk]

wound is 9% * 5

hemotoxin is 35%

[warm lance]

Wound is reduced by 50% in pvp

Just like mortal strike etc

[autumn elk]

ah

[warm lance]

Control is king is not as valuable as it seems

Basically my setup always has Hemo and smoke bomb, then i swap dismantle and maneuver more or less

[autumn elk]

is smoke bomb good in bgs? I mainly run bgs just farming enough gear to feel ready for SS

[warm lance]

Its an extra way to score a kill

[gilded flame]

i would argue smoke bomb is beter in bgs because you have plenty of people to help lock them in place during the global you place it

and also the amount of damage you can do in that brief time with a bgs number of people pretty much means a smokebomb can guarantee at least one kill every time

not to mention flag shenanigans

[autumn elk]

haha that is funny

[old brook]

Amazing as a defensive as well. Whether for yourself, to secure restealths or a few seconds breathing room but also to defend a teammate (say, you're out of kicks/gouge/stun and your stunned healer is about to eat a chaos bolt or poly).

Also nice to bait movement, luring people to you, weaving in and out of it as the enemy moves in and out to get to you

[gilded flame]

it can be the one tool that wins a tug of war with a hunter, for sure

[sharp sierra]

rapid fire is legit a 0 brain cell ability

[spark egret]

[tardy jasper]

Is there even any point taking a haste/vers neck in vault this week if next week we are getting uncapped conq? It is technically an upgrade right now because I have the honor neck but if I don't take it I could get the socket currency

[waxen meteor]

No get socket

But socket is bugged

Like me, get a socket but cannot dig a hole

[gray shell]

How're we feeling about the assas change? Are yall still running it, or swapped to Sub?

[potent pivot]

Both are fine

[minor cape]

my dudes that advice about shiving warriors you gave me yesterday saved me like 4 rounds today

xd

[potent pivot]

Assa was a little too strong

[sharp sierra]

shiv the enrage?

[fierce laurel]

Dead one kite

Deadzone. With acrobatic strikes

[minor cape]

more like shiv him and he cant do shit

if you just stay a little bit away

[minor cape]

this

[jolly sierra]

i was very dumb to not using deadzone in shuffle

[graceful ravine]

buff rogues

[jolly sierra]

cuz i never checked distance or used strife keys

had keys by default to just turn left and right xdd

also, downloaded an addon to check target distance, maybe will be good w acrobatic

[fierce laurel]

Augh. The cs evis ER sec tec open is so much better than cs sectec er evis but cs doesn’t last long enough 😭

[raw oak]

hey, is the spec important for someone below 2k rating ? (idk if I shoudl stay sub or go assa)

[minor cape]

they are different in gameplay

play whatever you like morr

[raw oak]

eheh yea, I'll try assa but double shadowstep is too fun

[minor cape]

(you like sub more you like sub more you like sub more)

[tawny kestrel]

u have double step as assa too

[raw oak]

oh i see

whats the main difference you'd say

is there double vanish too ??

i should try it out

[tawny kestrel]

main difference is that u kill people by pveing as assa

[raw oak]

the sense of timing and burst windows doesn't exist much, is that what you mean ?

[tawny kestrel]

correct

[raw oak]

I'll stay sub and when I hit a ceiling I might switch, but I saw 3k+ sub rogue in the ladder so yea

[tawny kestrel]

yeah sub is great

becomes better the higher u get

at high rating its the best spec

[waxen meteor]

sin is more continuous dmg with okay burst
sub is ok continuous dmg with great burst

so in theory, sub takes more collaboration for your teammate to burst at same time and run on same pace; but on the other hand, sometimes you can do everything yourself as sub without relying too much from others

as long as they don't do negative contributions to your gos

[raw oak]

so when u guys say sub will get better at higher rating, its both because both your skillcap and your teammates's highly correlate to good results with that spec

when perhaps another spec doesn't reward that much a high expertise

[waxen meteor]

well it also depends on how high you are talking about

some of experts here are top10/5 in a region

their experiences don't always necessarily reflect what you will expeirence

it might mean how it would look at at destination

but we are probably are always on the road

[waxen meteor]

but overall, yes

[raw oak]

it's not only a spec for the 1% only is what I hope

[waxen meteor]

No it's not

[raw oak]

yea, I'm seeing quite a lot of 2k rating sub on the ladder, but i don't really know if that's a lot relatively speaking compared to all people queuing

[waxen meteor]

if you get your first ever solo as sub 6:0 you are already at 2k MMR

[calm roost]

so last week ive been playing a bit with sin spec and im by no mean a good player in arena solo but i had a mostly a good time i won some, lost some, i felt squishy but in the same time i could deal good damage i don't have 4pc it was kinda even, but since today i get absolutely shat on, i am the kill target every game and i know i have a lot of room to improve and try to keep a positive mindset about it but still, is it just a me problem here ? am i just having a bad day ?

[raw oak]

that'd be great to have actual graph with numbers : "23% of 2k rating rogues are sub, 70% are assa" and mainly "5% of sub rogues are 1.8k or above " and compare it with "20% of assa rogue are 1.8k or above", then you'd have a clear vision of how difficult is a spec

[waxen meteor]

It's a real struggle

Based on your description, it seems it's not super high rating lobbies

with medium rating lobbies, game pace turns out to be slow sometimes, because of different reasons, including ourselves.

but in long term battles, if it becomes a PvE dmg contest, we are not that good in survival.

[tawny kestrel]

lets say this

[waxen meteor]

It is more obvious in 4 melee blend lobbies

[tawny kestrel]

there is a massive difference between the good sub rogues

and the rest

and that is reflected in the ladder

[quasi wren]

Where is PVP-f.a.q. ? 😄

[waxen meteor]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1068193089342165092

[quasi wren]

oh i'm blind

ty

[tawny kestrel]

@raw oak as u can see its quite a drop off

[waxen meteor]

You can play 2s with a good healer as sub

to get used to sub play style

the pace, killing window etc.

if you are new to sub i mean

that's a milder learning curve

and you will notice when it's the kill window, when it's not

so it applies in 3s eventually

[raw oak]

yea I feel like there are 3k+ players, then 2.8k + that are really different

[waxen meteor]

i feel if you are 2.8k+ you will basically reach elite regarldess of specs

[raw oak]

the fact that an orc is r1 is so funny

im an undead I guess ill do fine

wait, raz is that you rank 4 ?

[spark egret]

Yes that's raz

Hes a demon at pvp

[waxen meteor]

yeah that's why i mentioned some of members here are talking about really elite level of games

I don't know EU that much, but if you scroll ladder in NA, multiple characters at top20 are the AWC players..

sometimes it includes multiple alts from them..

[raw oak]

I can't find the ladder he showed in convo, is it from blizzard website btw ?

yea I've seen some guys with multiple alts, kinda crazy.

like pikaboo for instance and his priest

[waxen meteor]

I mean you will even find like top20 sin rogues, like 3 of them have same name

[raw oak]

what is sin rogue 🙂

assasin

[waxen meteor]

Spec: Assassination

[raw oak]

gotcha

they do that just to be able to play the game ?

cus queu time

[waxen meteor]

i don't know

maybe they play for fun but just keep winning

[terse mountain]

What's the first thing I should buy with conq?

[waxen meteor]

Main hand weapon for most people, arguable for sub, but most do that regardless of spec

[terse mountain]

Ah ok, so buying a shoulder or chest item is a nono for first buy?

[wicked rampart]

MH weapon for sure

[terse mountain]

Awesome, thanks guys

[waxen meteor]

well to be honest since next week there's no more cap of conquer

do whatever you want hha

but yeah go with main hand weapon first

probably neck next if you want to save some gold (don't need to put 3 gems on honor one)

[terse mountain]

currently using for pvp crit/mast lariat. Worth buying honor or just upgrade to purple when I get enough?

[waxen meteor]

lariat is good

not sure crit part

can't tell tbh

but it's not gonna be day and night difference

[languid ravine]

my solo queue experience so far:
Play Outlaw at a skill level three times higher than assassination
-> Outlaw is 600 Rating below assassination
lmao
and the best part games dont even last long enough to use 1.5min blind in elo hell

[tawny kestrel]

ye outlaw is not the best experience in solo shuffle

[terse mountain]

Had my first SS and won 5/6, quite happy, been doing enough skirms so thought I'd take the plunge

imposter syndrome is real

[rancid cipher]

Guys Im clueless about current pvp situation

Is assa okeish?

I don’t want to change specs from pve and I need to change something, I did too much pve since DF released 😂

[waxen meteor]

Man, i think we are looping on this topic today

scroll up a bit... it's exact same topic

[rancid cipher]

I just entered this chat 2 mins ago

Will do so, ty

[waxen meteor]

not complaining about it at all

[waxen meteor]

Not sure if scrolling up helps

but before the nerf (not big one), Assassin was arguably best performing spec in game at prof level, quite good for normal people as well

[fierce laurel]

It seems like anyone running dark brew runs replicating also

[terse mountain]

If you guys are in a lobby with a rogue, after you stun priest do you let the other 2 dps go 1v1 until rogue pops out?

stun healer*

[minor cape]

ayou what

you dont have two dps

two more

confused

i usually find that if i just sit and sap healer 7 times while others fight its not that good

but i may be wrong

oooh i see what you mean

i do yes

but that may be wrong too

[fierce laurel]

I play sub so I wait for the sin to open first generally.

[vocal surge]

talking about the advice I gave?

where shiv makes them crawl to you

[terse mountain]

Just had 4 people on one side kek

[minor cape]

oh yeah

also works w frost dk

sometimes

[vocal surge]

as long as they dont have Deaths Advance or Wraith Walk

also AMS

[minor cape]

made my life so much easier

vs melee

you can do that w ret right?

but it didnt work a couple times

does he have some buff that prevents slows?

[waxen meteor]

DK has prevent slows

don't think it's limited to a spec

[minor cape]

y thats why sometimes

but ret?

[warm lance]

Freedom just like all palas

[waxen meteor]

Ret has freedom that is absolutely visual noticeable

it's almost impossible to be missed

[minor cape]

i see

thanks

[waxen meteor]

that's also not limited to spec

all pal has it

[warm lance]

Im kinda impressed

That you hadnt noticed

[waxen meteor]

one of most visualized spell in wow

[vocal surge]

^

[minor cape]

i did

but i didnt yet know what it does

[warm lance]

Do what youre saying is. You hadnt noticed

[waxen meteor]

[worthy crag]

no idea how i walked away with a 3-3

in double arms & destro lobby

[waxen meteor]

I feel arms become slightly easier this week?

maybe i feel it wrong

[worthy crag]

compared to pre nerf yeah

[waxen meteor]

and i saw the dmg distribution as a big difference within arm

[worthy crag]

I was expecting to see them less but was def not expecting double arms lol

[waxen meteor]

i fucking hate those arms throws a flag at back court then jump to start

i still don't know if i should waste my stealth to kill it

nor the range of the flag...

[worthy crag]

if they are smart enough to be in range then yeah

[waxen meteor]

let me search the flag range

what's the exact name of the flag again?

[worthy crag]

war banner

i think its 30 yards

[waxen meteor]

that's quite a distance

[plucky sage]

Does the shiv trick only work as Assa with the shiv talents or is this literally just the crippling poison application from a regular shiv? (Like an outlaw shiv)

[waxen meteor]

i am not good at measuring distance in life or in game

but it sounds like they can jump and open with a fart of flag at back court

[plucky sage]

Step is 20y, so X 1.5

[worthy crag]

step is 25y

[waxen meteor]

i run into a lobby yesterday where the arm did the 1200 CR move

[plucky sage]

Ah my b

[waxen meteor]

that just straight on ride, jump to other side, and go

but he fart a flag back court

[plucky sage]

Felt shorter

[waxen meteor]

then i got lost

[potent pivot]

All specs based on whatever poison you have applied

[jolly sierra]

backpedaling?

[plucky sage]

Alright, thanks

[waxen meteor]

I mean if he didn't fart the flag back court, just jump to start with all teammates back there, he is going to be semi dead right away

and dead second kidney or sth that's typical dumb move from warrior (so i called it like 1200 cr move haha)

but he farted

then i sort of sap healer then kill flag then got slowed at their back court as well

not sure what i actually should have done

[jolly sierra]

ahh i see

[plucky sage]

You keep saying the guy farted but what do you actually mean by farting?

[waxen meteor]

Throw the war banner

[plucky sage]

Oh I see

[waxen meteor]

Like below

war banner

[jolly sierra]

ME WARRIOR ME CHARGE

BANNER DEFENDS ME

[minor cape]

this is how you waste a good bong hit

😢

same thing

bong always crits

the cold blood

warrior in wow -
warrior in hearthstone - 🤓

what is up w priests being toxic af lately while also playing like shit

or is it just my lobbies

🤔🤔🤔

[jolly sierra]

yesterday a priest let me die by throwing word barrier at last second before i died

[minor cape]

dude flamed me for doing smaller dam on sub than a fucking warrior

he lost and i went 4-2

kekeke

[vocal surge]

nerf rogue he says

they're op they say

[minor cape]

why some people think thats its all about pve farming damage

[jolly sierra]

i had an outlaw whining to me in a shuffle

he said "hope the nerfs works for next week"

[minor cape]

🤔

[jolly sierra]

was 1 week ago

[minor cape]

my man just jealous

he can deal pretty bug damage too tho

[jolly sierra]

just because he heals his opponent w negative dmg instead actually hitting

[potent pivot]

Vanish

[worthy crag]

/dance

/beg

/cast hearthstone

[jolly sierra]

step to healer

[potent pivot]

You didn’t say that

[minor cape]

evasion

shadowstep

[jolly sierra]

guess evasion is on cd

[worthy crag]

that aoe will break the cc though

[minor cape]

shiv him and pray

[worthy crag]

unless its stun

[minor cape]

this is the moment i would shiv from today on

xd

[worthy crag]

or just step into meld

I dont know what this "horde" is but it sounds lacking

[minor cape]

POP QUIZ I pressed every cd my healer is stunned and enemy popped his big burst how do i live

is belf ability any good?

i feel like i can shadowy duel a pala

yeah

[worthy crag]

i wish racials didnt matter but they still do

if racials were disabled id like to play worgen

[minor cape]

race should be cosmetic in actual gameplay

only in world

[jolly sierra]

gouge and run to the pillar?

[minor cape]

i think

[worthy crag]

and a cute gnome

[minor cape]

gouge and pray

[jolly sierra]

once i had a guy which supposedly had 2k3 xp

i gouged him and instatrinketed

cornered him into a pillar and kidney

was forced to run w bubble

[worthy crag]

well gouging is attacking the eyeballs

im sure it hurts a lot

[minor cape]

create macro for gouge and yell god please help me god

[waxen meteor]

if racial skill is diabled in arena i guess we will see more blood elf more than ever?

tbh i think undead is not bad now

[worthy crag]

what people find most aesthetically pleasant, so maybe

[minor cape]

would they be popular cause they are horde but not ugly

[worthy crag]

there are a lot of cool looking races on both factions but dont get played much in pvp

if I were forced to play horde i'd like to play zandalari troll

upright troll with glowing eyes is pretty badass

[waxen meteor]

Trolls just need to have better finger design

[minor cape]

id play nightborne but too lazy for quest

or velf

[jolly sierra]

if they disables both racials and tier sets for arena then we can be close to a gold era for pvp

[minor cape]

i think undead are ugly but in a cool way, trolls are just ugly

🥹

[worthy crag]

watch da tongue mon

[summer plinth]

are there any talents i can swap here to help me defensively? I'm still dying with healers having cds up and even trying to los casters and run to them and rotate my cds but im just dying. I just played against a lobby w/ boomkin, ele, arms and went 0-6 cause i just couldnt live no matter what I did

[minor cape]

not really tbh

[jolly sierra]

ur talents are pretty standard tho

[worthy crag]

have you tried using battlemaster trinket?

[summer plinth]

yeah i have battle master

[minor cape]

do you press enough feint

[summer plinth]

i try to press it on cd

[minor cape]

slice and dice always up?

you can also

[summer plinth]

hit or miss (trying to improve on that). but according to details I pressed feint 6 times in a 2 min game. So I missed 2 presses on it?

[minor cape]

swap stride for movespeed

oh wait nah

[jolly sierra]

gouge more

[minor cape]

is prey on the weak good on assas?

[minor cape]

dont press it if they dont hit you

[summer plinth]

they were on me that whole game 😦

[minor cape]

the curse of assas

🥹

[summer plinth]

who do i gouge? just the non kill target dps? i usually try to gouge healer but sometimes I don't get the chance

[minor cape]

you have to stun dps more

[summer plinth]

I try to stun kill target, but I find myself stunning off target more to try to reduce dmg

[jolly sierra]

u can interrupt inc spells from casters w that

[minor cape]

you have to stun defensively too

[jolly sierra]

or buy some time w warrior to gouge, shiv and run

[summer plinth]

also i tried to go for a re stealth but healer wouldnt dispel dots

[jolly sierra]

restealth is almost impossible in shuffle

B

AAAAAAAA

FUCK

there are more?

seems like not

[summer plinth]

try to stun on the other team's CDs right? i tried to stun the war when he popped warbreaker for instance

[jolly sierra]

B

[minor cape]

y or if two guys go you stunning one surely helps

[summer plinth]

yeah

[jolly sierra]

ww is one of the frailest

dampen is shit

they need to use 2 cds to be effective or are useless

karma doesn't save you of a mongo cleave

neither in shadowlands

[summer plinth]

thanks for more tips. i'll keep practicing. I like rogue but sometimes it is frustrating. Lots to improve on, but overall I feel like I'm playing well and still lose. Trying to find ways to impact games more while living better is tough.

i wish i had a 2s partner to practice with as well. solo queues are long and that's really the only time I get to play any of my toons for pvp.

lol

its enough for me to practice my rotation more

thats all i care about

[jolly sierra]

in this season atm there are a lot of gatekeepers

imagine the amount of glad mounts there

at 1k8 i've saw a lot of glad mounts in SS

too

[summer plinth]

I was at 1550 before that 0-6 but ive seen at least 1 glad mount in every lobby my past 5 lobbies

[wicked rampart]

I mean 2's is giga deflated so you are just running into the sweats at lower mmr

So as long as your expectation isn't to fly up to what you used to have it's still fine to play for learning

[jolly sierra]

or u can play smoothly and get ready for the last 2 months

seasons seems to take 5 months in finish

usually

[summer plinth]

i dont really have a lot of expectations for my rogue, I started it and played it cause i never played rogue and it looked fun and i thought it might be a fun to see if i could get to 1800 on a new class ive never played before

proving to be more difficult than i anticipated lol

yeah.

ive thought about giving up cause i dont really have the time to develop the skill but wanna keep going a bit longer.

i got a warrior at 2k

lol

[fierce laurel]

So Finality rupture keeps you in combat, right?

With replicating shadows?

[toxic yarrow]

what happened to this class x.x

[worthy crag]

I actually haven't seen cannibalize in arena in such a long time

almost forgot it exists

[jolly sierra]

what happens if people ask for nerfs for warriors? will blizz nerf rogue instead?

[spark egret]

what's this

players over 2400?

[sharp sierra]

I’m the best rogue under 100 rating AMA

[terse mountain]

is it me or do the warglaives suit rogues way more than DH;s

[sharp sierra]

Remember when we had to equip throwing knives.

And keep stacks of powder and poisons 😂 had it rough

[terse mountain]

Why am I being queued with 1.9k rated players on my second SS? wtf

[summer plinth]

Wait. WHat is happening in solo right now? I went 4-2 in a lobby where the DPS were 100 MMR higher than me and 3-3 where they were 50 MMR higher than me and got no rating in both?

[jolly sierra]

is arcane and BM an oof matchup in shuffle?

[outer plume]

Are people taking tier helm or tier gloves for Assassination gear?

[jolly sierra]

both

[outer plume]

Which tier piece are we ignoring?

Also what's the rough tier piece ilvl to pvp ilvl threshhold

[jolly sierra]

legs

i dont understand ur 2nd question

[outer plume]

Well, let's say a conq piece is 424 pvp ilvl, would you still run 4set if the 4set was say 415ilvl

[jolly sierra]

yes

i was using a 385 piece

[outer plume]

Is there a lower threshold? I still have some 408 pieces

Ok

Just making sure, currently got 418chest, 411 helm, 408 gloves, 415 shoulders 415 legs

[gaunt trout]

Just get a 4 set asap, you’re overthinking it

[jolly sierra]

yep

[outer plume]

What verse % are people sitting on?

[jolly sierra]

for those kind of questions better check murlok.io

[graceful ravine]

can i give bloody tokens to my alt?

[unborn portal]

[lyric onyx]

Is liquid out of AWC again?

I tuned in to pikas stream late and he was watching Cdew looking all sad

[spark egret]

All my homies hate cdew

[jolly sierra]

guys if in shuffle ur partner asks to chase an ele, a BM hunt or a mage when their partners are melees what do you do?

if u go, u are getting trained by the melee and maybe will use a heavy inmunity when u burst, if u go melee can corner him easily and even smoke bomb to counter

what is the move there?

[potent pivot]

your first like 10 games are placement matches to feel out what your MMR will be

you can get thrown in a somewhat wide range of rating matches depending on your win/losses in them

[waxen meteor]

It’s hard, but most times rogue gets to call target

I think when against frost mage you have to always be flexible

If you leave frost mage free casts, it’s gonna be extremely difficult to win

[steel linden]

Using 408 pieces I'm sitting at 421 pvp ilvl overall. That total level is what matters.

[waxen meteor]

But when you chase frost mage, most likely your kidney is free

My feeling is you can chase mage, keep pressure on melee train you all day

My mage is out of reach or kidney is cd, put big pressure on their melee as well

Keep dots up

You can also kidney heal but that really depends on position

[outer plume]

Yeah, total level I get that but do the pieces auto get scaled to 421?

If I didnt get the tier items from pvp vaults

[steel linden]

I mean my overall pvp ilvl ends up being 421, since I have all 424 and 421 pieces minus my couple of 408s @outer plume

[outer plume]

Ah,gotcha

[jolly sierra]

then i'll call in those moments, maybe will kidney melee to disturb more, ty

[potent pivot]

@junior wyvern this isn’t an LFG tool my friend

[potent pivot]

They only scale up if you got them from pvp vault or if you convert your conquest gear into tier pieces

[outer plume]

Yeah that's what I thought

[junior wyvern]

@potent pivot mb im new here , where do i post for that if theres anywhere?

[potent pivot]

We don’t have any channels where LFG/Trade is allowed in the server

[little sequoia]

dumb question, what's the best spec to solo shuffle with

Im geared for all 3

goal is 1800 for mog

[potent pivot]

Whichever you’re best at tbh

[little sequoia]

sub pog

[waxen meteor]

If you keep dots up, kidney is really easy to force them to defend

[jolly sierra]

should i shiv constantly the melee while im chasing the ranged?

[waxen meteor]

My feeling is when you chance a good frost mage, there surely will be moment you can’t reach him/her

Don’t waste the gcds just attack melee chasing you back while moving

Decide you move towards pillar or to mage accordingly

[jolly sierra]

kk

btw, how i can use feint more optimally? should i trade it w the 45s cds or just straight toss it when im trained?

[waxen meteor]

Gues it depends on if you pick cheat death?

I have cheat death on so I use when needed

[jolly sierra]

i hate cheat death

someones doesnt proc

nah is shit

[potent pivot]

it always procs unless it's on CD

sometimes you just die through it as it's not an immunity :p

gotta be taking a lot of damage for that usually

[jolly sierra]

reduces a lot the dmg

is useless against mongo

[outer plume]

Is there a buy order for conq gear? I'm assuming it's like weapons > Trinkets> Rest

[potent pivot]

weapon > armor > jewelry > trinkets

[sharp sierra]

Can i send heirlooms cross faction and different server?

[potent pivot]

anything that's account bound

[sharp sierra]

Thanks

[outer plume]

Last dumb question, solo shuffle or find a rand 2's partner for conq capping from fresh

[potent pivot]

both are fine options

[outer plume]

What's generally faster

[potent pivot]

shuffle queue is a bit long but rewards decent amount of conq when you win

it's a bit more punishing if you lose though because of time spent

[outer plume]

Oh I thought people would be all overshuffle

[potent pivot]

a fast shuffle queue tends to be like

10-15min

[outer plume]

Oh wtf

I thought it would be popular

[potent pivot]

people are def all over it, but you gotta realize how many people it takes to make a group

2 heals/tanks and 4 dps

and they all need to be somewhat similar mmr

it is popular

the most popular rated bracket by far

that's just match making for ya

this isn't a game where the only way to play is solo q pvp like FPS games

there's 4 rated pvp brackets and most people pve

[pearl mural]

what do you guys think about crit/mastery focused build?

[old brook]

final three piece swap advice, please (for sub)! drakebreaker OH, wrist and belt. They're all vers/mastery and I'd lose the least amount of mastery with the dagger (as far as I can tell). Seems like the best option but hoping for some input

[potent pivot]

why would you do that?

[potent pivot]

if you check our lovely new resource #pvp-faq it has a gear guide :)

[old brook]

🥲 it's beautiful

well done on it, thank youuuu

[potent pivot]

(it says to buy all 3 of the items you mentioned)

(not just 1)

[potent pivot]

😉 np

[pearl mural]

imean

[old brook]

Whoa, wild, am I reading it right in that they are BIS? For those three slots?

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

?

[pearl mural]

why wouldn't you?

[potent pivot]

because

1. vers is a requirement in pvp
   if you meant crit/mastery/vers,
   well it's just kinda been proven mastery is the best choice by multiple sources